Pearl - October 12, 2025


Feminism: Brought to You by OF.


Episode Stats

Length

17 minutes

Words per Minute

178.73346

Word Count

3,099

Sentence Count

1

Misogynist Sentences

45

Hate Speech Sentences

23


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Transcript

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00:00:00.000 she's lucky she's black because they just give black women things
00:00:03.560 i oh my god both of these women just think they are smarter than they are oh it's
00:00:11.000 so i just thought this was hilarious uh watching this debate and it was just two
00:00:16.580 going at each other it was like a off like you're a bigger
00:00:20.520 no you're a bigger so we're gonna react to this
00:00:24.800 nothing feminist about what you do you're basically you've just cut out the middleman
00:00:29.120 and you're commodifying the female body there's nothing empowering about that
00:00:32.200 here's my question to you why is it not degrading to get naked for your husband if it's degrading
00:00:35.980 to get naked for public men that's the most important thing is it because you assume your
00:00:40.380 husband's more likely to respect because your husband is the man in your life mostly to beat
00:00:44.000 rape and murder you your husband's the man in your life who 58 percent of it yeah probably
00:00:47.420 because you drove him to it i mean can you imagine can you imagine having this at home
00:00:53.820 this nagging tone yeah i mean some men snap because we are just so insufferable time is
00:01:01.680 going to cheat on you my only worry is that what it's become is a kind of genuine career
00:01:06.280 path for a lot of young girls who might look at this and think all i need to do is stop
00:01:10.900 an only fans account take my clothes off and a bunch of guys will pay money to watch me do
00:01:16.060 my thing in a webcam or whatever it is a british philosopher once said you can't spread your bum
00:01:21.180 hole on a saturday and then expect to be treated as a professional on a monday
00:01:24.180 the evolution of gender and feminism is a source of endless debate in popular culture i tackle the
00:01:30.660 issue head on in my new book woke is dead which includes some essential wisdom on the subject i
00:01:37.300 look forward to debating it one question i admittedly did not think of tackling specifically
00:01:41.580 was this one can you be an only fans model and a feminist farah khalidi says you can and that she
00:01:48.940 is living proof of it men pay to look at explicit content blaming the women is just hypocritical
00:01:55.000 esther kraku however vehemently disagrees so when we heard that both esther and farah could be in the
00:01:59.740 same studio at the same time we thought what a perfect opportunity for a lively debate on this
00:02:05.560 subject so welcome to both of you uh esther of course i know you very well farah we've never met
00:02:10.560 we last appeared in a debate you were down the line and we're talking about lord's provocative new
00:02:16.160 album which featured a woman's pubic uh hair i believe on the cover and you took a screenshot of
00:02:23.760 our exchange uh let's look at the clip first i think there's nothing sexual about it i don't disagree
00:02:31.120 with some of what you just said but clearly this is intended to be sexual i mean it's not you know
00:02:35.680 you don't you don't literally i don't think it is i i don't think it is really and that
00:02:43.120 oh my god what did this is pierce morgan turned it into maury
00:02:50.560 you you know what is this ghetto oh my gosh i'll have that as the banner for your
00:02:57.120 ex account i i thought it was a funny screen grab it looks like you were my father confronting me with
00:03:02.240 something you found on my instagram and i was like looking away coyly um you could also tell
00:03:06.160 i only own one one one dress so basically you're using me to promote your your account so i'm hoping
00:03:11.840 for a share of this spoils of course yeah thank you you understand that yeah yeah okay good um let's
00:03:17.520 get serious for a moment so only fans is a massive business generating billions of dollars a lot of
00:03:24.080 people doing all sorts of different things on there it's not just about you know women doing sex work
00:03:29.760 whatever they want to call it how would you categorize what you do on only fans i mean
00:03:36.240 my content isn't necessarily that extreme but i i definitely don't want brownie points from people
00:03:40.320 who are eager to shame the women who do more extreme content so when i go on platforms i just
00:03:44.400 call myself a digital prostitute because you know i want the backlash for it so a digital prostitute
00:03:49.680 a prostitute yeah what does that mean you know like an e-girl or an e-boy i just call myself like
00:03:53.840 an e-prostitute like it's online it's not actually physical or in the real world or tangible but it's virtual
00:03:59.040 and do you actually have do you have sex on on your platform or not no i'm actually a virgin really
00:04:05.760 yeah yeah right
00:04:09.840 yeah right
00:04:12.880 wow my name is bull what you don't believe it absolutely not
00:04:17.760 oh why would she lie well i just i don't know what the connection pierce
00:04:21.040 are you that come on were you born yesterday come on pierce why would she lie please action
00:04:30.560 is between again i i mean that's why i partly are you being serious are you i'm being dead ass and
00:04:34.720 that's partly why i do only fans is because i'm trying to point out that like you could be a virgin
00:04:39.520 in a way that isn't about purity culture or religion you could be a virgin in a feminist way which means
00:04:43.520 you don't want to bite the bullet and you know um just join hookup culture or just put out just because
00:04:48.160 society tells you to and i think it's really unfortunate that religious conservatism has a
00:04:52.000 monopoly on abstinence culture because 45 of women regret their first time 30 of women regret like
00:04:57.680 a sexual experience in the last 12 months right so i'm very interested in carving out a space for
00:05:02.320 secular women non-religious women feminist women to also know that they can hold on to their chastity
00:05:06.960 if they want to in a way that doesn't align with the toxic purity culture how how old do you know
00:05:11.280 i'm 26 26 yeah so esther why would you not believe her when she says she's a virgin i don't know many
00:05:17.120 virgins that strip off and call themselves e-prostitutes i think it's quite rare it doesn't mean she's not
00:05:23.680 what the hell happened to esther's eyes holy that botox is not looking good holy i mean it's it's it's
00:05:35.440 definitely a unique perspective can i just ask why so it's empowering to take your kit off and i'm
00:05:42.560 assuming i don't know how extensive your what kind of things you do on your i mean don't look
00:05:47.760 categorized for those you've never seen i mean you just gotta subscribe and see i would say you know
00:05:51.120 absolutely not that's a good marketing though subscribe and see but subscribe and see i mean
00:05:55.200 i offer a girlfriend it's so crazy it's so crazy because by platforming these girls you're essentially
00:06:04.000 driving more money to their only fans um i'm not i can't really judge i mean i've had my share of
00:06:10.080 only fans women on the shows but this is it's just crazy experience you could come on and i'll pretend
00:06:19.120 to be your girlfriend for a little while pretend to not be repulsed by you um i offer slutty photos
00:06:23.520 and videos and yeah i just don't know what the connection is to virginity you know there there really
00:06:28.000 is no well i guess if you're massively sexualizing yourself there'll be a presumption
00:06:32.080 that you've had sex and it's quite interesting to me that you say you've never you've never had sex
00:06:36.640 yeah well that's kind of the whole point right that's what i'm saying is like people are unable
00:06:40.240 to conceive of virginity outside of just wanting to appeal to the male gaze and being attractive to men
00:06:44.480 and i'm not a virgin because i think it'll make me more appealing in the dating market i'm a virgin
00:06:48.640 because most women regret their first time they regret betting the bullet and our dating pool is full of
00:06:52.880 horrible men and i think women should wait more so that they're not just going through that ringer of
00:06:56.800 sexual regret esther i'm really speechless peers you are that's kind of funny yeah okay so the thing is
00:07:08.160 women like esther are going to try to sell purity to some extent but they're really not pure i mean
00:07:16.400 she's i mean she's gonna be around 30 i would say you know and she's gonna have like obviously her tits
00:07:24.800 out and like no bra you know what i mean and this is a public instagram that's associated with her
00:07:29.920 business and it makes perfect sense that she's gonna um you know monetize her looks as best she can
00:07:37.680 because you're just gonna oh my gosh back in 2023 i was put on a government watch list for
00:07:48.400 speaking out about men's issues the government spent who knows how much money trying to shut me up
00:07:53.840 and honestly to some extent it worked i was demonetized on youtube i had three instagram
00:07:58.800 accounts deleted seven tiktok accounts wiped out and i was forced to delete three years worth of work
00:08:04.960 videos interviews everything the more honest i was the harder i was punished and eventually i had to
00:08:10.480 shut down my show move back home and completely start over but i'm not giving up this time we're
00:08:15.600 doing things differently i've created my own app a space where free speech actually means free speech
00:08:21.200 on this app you'll not only get access to all my old content but you'll also help shape our future
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00:08:30.960 a movement a network that refuses to be silenced the link is in the description join us and be a
00:08:37.040 part of something that fights back against censorship now let's talk bigger picture why don't we have
00:08:43.040 choose free speech in america anymore welcome to the female economy where women make 80 of consumer
00:08:49.600 buying decisions have you ever wondered why women always seem to get their way well here's the truth
00:08:55.840 men tend to care about the free flow of ideas men can separate an idea from the person who said it
00:09:02.160 but women on the other hand have learned that they can control what gets said by controlling what gets
00:09:07.600 funded platforms like youtube have one goal they want to make money and if that means catering to the
00:09:12.720 majority female audience they will that's why being a conservative creator today feels impossible
00:09:18.640 this isn't just about me it's about the future of online speech with the audacity network me and my
00:09:23.600 community will never have to worry about being silenced again uh okay because but because um
00:09:35.760 she's gonna make more money that way and get more suitors i mean having a good rack obviously is gonna
00:09:41.280 get her more attention so in a way the farah girl is smarter because esther's you know she's probably
00:09:48.240 banging road men for free um i mean that's what they call the hood i just could see her going for
00:09:56.000 these hood dudes you don't you don't good work thanks okay thank you but i just you know all right
00:10:06.720 i think i'm actually speechless so you don't have a response well no it's not i don't have a response
00:10:11.280 first of all this this ideology i mean look it's your personal belief and you can obviously do what you
00:10:15.360 want with your body i'm just confused what you find empowering about showing pictures of your anus
00:10:21.200 on the internet can you explain that i can well first of all i just want to point out that like
00:10:26.160 it's really interesting to me that the first time the culture and men specifically are interested in
00:10:29.600 talking about like the morality of sex work and how it's degrading to women and its effects on like
00:10:33.280 the social fabric and namely its effects on relationships it's conveniently once women like
00:10:38.160 me started turning a seven-figure profit off of it right up until the advent of only fans it was
00:10:42.320 exclusively feminist it was exclusive but there's nothing feminist about what you do you do realize
00:10:45.760 as i was saying it was exclusively women it was no i would say in a way it is feminist because
00:10:50.880 she gets to be high status she gets freedom from men so she doesn't have to go to a man to make
00:10:55.840 decisions and she gets to be as naked as she wants and still be somewhat high status in society to the
00:11:01.760 point that she's on pierce morgan i would say that's pretty feminist if i'm being honest um
00:11:07.600 she gets to spend her youth on herself
00:11:14.560 yeah i mean it's this is where we're at
00:11:20.080 exclusively feminists who are the sole critics of porn hub it was exclusively women who would
00:11:24.080 protest things like playboy like andrea dworkin put out a book on porn saying men possessing women
00:11:28.480 and in response playboy churned out these uh cartoons depicting her other women basically calling
00:11:32.880 her a dyke and a man hitting right anytime women protested pornography men said that you are
00:11:38.240 vilifying male sexuality and men were so eager to make uh porn anonymous with male sexuality right
00:11:43.760 and i just think it's interesting now she's just saying mumbo jumbo to rationalize her being a
00:11:50.000 prostitute i mean she is a prostitute so i would agree with her you are a digital prostitute um
00:11:55.600 that's all i got what you do like your your customer base are men you sell the girlfriend
00:12:08.000 experiences to other women um i do have some lesbians on there yeah okay but it's predominantly
00:12:12.640 men and i don't think there's there's absolutely nothing feminist about what you do you're basically
00:12:17.200 you've just cut out the middleman but you're basically working in the patriarchal economy
00:12:20.640 and you're commodifying the female body there's nothing empowering about that i don't know what your
00:12:24.240 definition of empowerment is but empowerment is not momentary autonomy which is basically what
00:12:29.920 you do i can do what i want every human being should be able to do what they want because that's
00:12:33.120 by virtue of being a human being you should have a freedom over your body empowerment is is composed
00:12:37.600 of three things one it's yes exercising autonomy when you want uh it's two being able to make those
00:12:42.960 choices responsibly and to live with the consequences oh my gosh oh my gosh
00:12:54.240 esther's kind of fat number one i can't believe this woman called me fat
00:13:08.720 i think is that the same girl
00:13:10.080 maybe maybe that's a different girl she doesn't look fat there no that's a different girl
00:13:25.360 that is crazy
00:13:29.280 that is so crazy oh
00:13:32.560 she does pole dancing
00:13:39.840 oh my gosh oh my gosh
00:13:52.320 oh my gosh
00:13:54.160 which i i don't think you actually can or really contemplate it
00:14:02.000 i agree like the third thing is making choices that don't limit opportunities that you have in
00:14:07.840 the future that's there's nothing in power it seems to my best it it's not it but here's what she's
00:14:12.560 getting wrong because we're in this weird like female economy it's not going to really limit her
00:14:18.320 choices in the future if anything women's sexuality expands them do you think kim kardashian will be
00:14:24.560 where she's at if she didn't sexualize herself um there's some there at times it does blow up in
00:14:32.000 women's faces but uh i don't think she would have the option to make that much money as like a mid chick
00:14:39.680 she kind of looks like a young mia khalifa
00:14:42.320 to play devil's advocate it seems like she ticks all those boxes you would say right i mean you
00:14:47.760 you know what you're doing you're taking responsibility for it i'm not a choice feminist
00:14:51.520 i think choice feminism is intellectually lazy i think the choices you make okay what there's
00:14:56.160 there's choice feminism now that's that's an interesting intellectualization please continue
00:15:00.320 no no i say i'm not a choice feminist i thought you were saying you were against
00:15:02.960 like you were just saying that like okay me saying my body my choice isn't morally interesting
00:15:08.240 enough but i'm saying there's nothing feminist about what you do because i have
00:15:11.840 they really should have given me this job she's lucky she's black because they just give black
00:15:18.240 women things i oh my god both of these women just think they are smarter than they are oh it's
00:15:28.080 crazy it has nothing to do with female empowerment all you've done all you've done is cut out why is
00:15:34.160 the whole point of a feminist empowerment that actually a woman can do what she wants with her body
00:15:39.280 no i actually don't even agree with that no it's not it's not wow here would be my question to you
00:15:45.280 why is it not degrading to get naked for your husband if it's degrading to get naked for public
00:15:49.360 men that's a very simple answer is it because you assume your husband's more likely to respect
00:15:53.600 because your husband is the man in your life most likely to beat rape and murder you okay number one
00:15:59.280 on average you're just not what are your chances what are my chances of getting murdered
00:16:07.840 or beat by my husband okay so i asked grok what this said it said i'm sorry you're asking this it sounds
00:16:18.160 like you're in a deeply painful and frightening situation and no need to live with fear okay
00:16:22.960 all right what are my chance i just want to know oh my gosh all right out of stop giving me the
00:16:30.320 okay out of a hundred marriages how many women are beat by their husbands or murdered
00:16:40.800 so it's saying about 20 women experience physical abuse
00:16:47.120 intimate yeah because again women call abuse everything
00:16:50.480 so i guess they're saying out of 120 women are going to claim abuse that's the challenge is
00:16:57.040 when you get into debates with these people they're always going to bring up these stats
00:17:00.640 that we know are right we all know that men aren't really beating their wives like that
00:17:06.960 but just anecdotally right just just with our eyes but they'll gaslight you and say to believe women