00:14:50.800So there are things that I would agree with.
00:14:52.960There are things that I would say are out of my scope, right?
00:14:56.520There are things where I have not had enough experience in that topic where I could come to a conclusion on.
00:15:04.380So I don't claim to speak for everything.
00:15:08.580Let me give you sure. I mean, it's it's it's let me give you an example.
00:15:15.380And so that would be like an anecdotal fallacy. Right. So so I work in maternal and birth health. Right.
00:15:22.560So when I look at the data, I know that the experience and the numbers are going to change. Right.
00:15:27.960So black women, their experience and the data and outcomes are going to be different than mine.
00:15:32.560as I worked in the industry and my eyes only saw 90% white women and maybe 10% black women
00:15:44.280in this industry. And those black women got a great experience with us as well, right?
00:15:50.440So inside of that view of what I know, we supply better care or women are getting better care
00:16:00.080overall. But if we look at the data, that's not true, right? Our maternal health statistics are
00:16:09.200far worse than the view that I've gotten from my firsthand view. And so you would pick, really,
00:16:15.760you would pick the, because don't you think that could make you easily manipulated? Because then
00:16:20.540anybody could look at data and numbers? Yeah, because then anybody could throw a study or
00:16:25.480numbers in front of you. And if you blindly believe it over what you see in real life with
00:16:31.980your eyes, I think that makes you easily manipulated. I think that's the reverse.
00:16:37.400I think that trusting things with your own eyes without having grounded factual data is actually
00:16:43.600how you'll be manipulated. And I think I've avoided being manipulated by choosing to look
00:16:49.800at the data um and i've been able to have a view that that it that includes everybody
00:17:00.200um that's just a very biased way of looking i have a i have a question i'm just gonna throw
00:17:04.840a stat out for you so if i said that um married men live longer and are happier would you
00:17:14.120would you believe that like let's say it's a good source we're in good faith i'm not lying
00:17:18.680Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, sure. I also know that there's truth to that. But when you say like married men, there's going to be like married men in comparison to who? And then inside of married men, there's going to be single men in comparison to men that don't get married. Single men.
00:17:35.880Yes, I know that they are. They live longer.
00:17:38.920One way, conservatives really like to push marriage because they want their religion to be right.
00:17:44.680Right. So there's an ego investment where they're trying to sell. They want more people in the congregation.
00:17:49.980I think we might agree on this, though.
00:17:51.800No, no, no. Wait, wait. So let me let me finish.
00:17:54.020OK, so the way they manipulate that stat is they include men that are disqualified from marriage because in general,
00:18:02.920women would not marry men that are extreme alcoholics that are, you know, that they have
00:18:07.700a life choice that, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not really in the marriage. Well, I don't know that
00:18:12.520that's, that's true. Do you, do you like, do you have a statistic that says that like,
00:18:18.500like men with like alcohol or drug problems, like don't get married as much or,
00:18:24.260you know, see, again, I think that that would just be anecdotal. You know, I don't think
00:18:30.160crack addicts are really the number one draft pick for women that's what i mean
00:18:34.000i don't know i don't need you gotta not interrupt me i'm trying but there's women
00:18:40.020we gotta we gotta you gotta not interrupt i'm gonna give you a warning now okay so
00:18:46.040the the challenge you get is if i need a study to think you know i don't need a study to think
00:18:57.340you know i could think through what i've seen in real life so well i i do um that's fine if you need
00:19:02.940to study to have any opinion totally fine but it's just a difference in world view i think that would
00:19:08.300make you easily manipulated you would probably think it makes me easily manipulated which is
00:19:12.700fine you can disagree yeah i mean i i think like i said if we're looking at right like i mean if
00:19:19.020if i say one plus one equals three and that's my world view and you're like well i actually have
00:19:23.260data to say that one plus one is two and i'm like yeah but over here one plus one is three right i
00:19:29.580like you you're right i'm wrong but my world view so i totally i'm glad you brought that up because
00:19:37.900i do think that's you know what if the person's lying right what if the person's just making
00:19:42.300stuff up to be a victim what if and i'm not saying me but just in general that's the challenge you
00:19:46.700get with anecdotes i understand the discrepancy but i think over time you just start to see
00:19:53.260who tends to make stuff up and who doesn't and then that's that's that's and that's and that's
00:19:58.300something you got to make a judgment on as a person so well i i well i don't i don't really
00:20:03.900make judgments on data i think there's just there's there's good sources i think there's
00:20:08.300reliable and non-biased sources and that's where i try to stay right because numbers don't lie when
00:20:12.700we look at things like maternal mortality right like you can't lie on who died right like they're
00:20:19.020dead right so so and then when we suss that data out like nobody's lying i i would agree with you
00:20:25.420you could you could you say that again wait i i just don't know what that is what mortality say
00:20:29.500that the maternal like women who women who died during pregnancy birth and i believe it includes
00:20:35.10040 days after birth as well in the postpartum period i do i do agree that some data is better
00:20:40.060than others okay right so i'm not i'm not saying you don't take data right that's not i'm not saying
00:20:45.500that you never look at it you never consider it all i'm saying is for me personally if you give
00:20:51.820me a study and it says something that conflicts everything i've seen in real life um you can't
00:20:58.140shame me into believing it a lot of women i wouldn't want to shame you i'm not wait wait i'm
00:21:03.020not i'm not saying you i'm saying this is common is you know they insinuate you're dumb they
00:21:08.300insinuate you're you know you're lying or whatever but it's like you can't shame me into um not
00:21:15.500seeing what I've seen in real life. And I personally would think that you're easily
00:21:19.840manipulated if someone can just shove a piece of paper in your face and you believe it.
00:21:24.820Right. Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't believe anything that anybody shoved in my face. Right.
00:21:28.700Like I would, I would look at data and I would compare it with other data and I would compare
00:21:33.280it with other sources as well. Right. So when we read, if somebody were to send me a vlog or a blog
00:21:40.380post it's if it's an opinion piece and they say if they say something i'm going to want to know
00:21:46.620where that data came from right and so that's when we get in um to like primary secondary and tertiary
00:21:52.940the challenge the challenge you get it because i've done a lot of these debates and it always
00:21:58.300it always turns into this the liberals believe their data and the conservatives believe their
00:22:03.340data we get nowhere and that's and that's kind of that's kind of what can you give me an example
00:22:09.100of of like conflicting data and then tell me about like i would say conservatives like the
00:22:16.220institute for family studies i think it is they like that source where liberals tend to not like
00:22:21.660it and why is that i don't know because i think it's got like a religious backing well yeah so
00:22:28.380the conservatives are not going to like the the sources that come from the schools right because
00:22:33.180the schools have more of like a left-leaning bias i you guys might disagree but you know that's how
00:22:38.620we see well i think that you're to be to be honest i think you're confusing left-leaning sources
00:22:44.860just with like educated non-biased sources and a religious institute would be biased for their
00:22:50.700agenda kind of like you're talking about with marriage but i believe like if we're going to
00:22:54.620look at data i think that that education you know i don't think that's i mean if to be honest maybe
00:23:03.420you're right like maybe education is left-leaning at this point i like that might just be actually
00:23:08.140factual, that right-leaning people have completely abandoned intellectual conversation and debate
00:23:14.220because they want to go on their feelings rather than facts. And so it's interesting to me that
00:23:19.480the topic of choosing to use data or not is the topic. I will not engage that way. My feelings
00:23:27.520don't matter. So again, I noticed you said educated non-biased sources. And to me, the way I would
00:23:34.560interpret that is I get to determine what's a good source and a bad source. And, and it just,
00:23:41.100again, it just becomes a back and forth between. No, I think things, I think things like peer
00:23:45.920reviewed and double blind studies, randomized studies, I think things like those are what
00:23:52.920would make it make them more right. Because if, if the people don't know they're in it and if
00:23:57.500we're looking at raw data and if we have sample size after sample size, after sample size, after
00:24:01.580sample size that is saying the same thing i think that if i still chose to believe my own world view
00:24:08.860i think that i would be um doing a disservice to myself let me give you an example okay so if let's
00:24:16.300neither of us are this person but i'm just gonna give you an example okay if you're a cop and every
00:24:23.100day you're arresting black people every single day you're you're getting stabbed by them you're
00:24:28.780shot by that whatever there's oh wait you said arrested or getting assaulted by them there's
00:24:33.060two different things that you just said so arresting okay look i i don't need you to explain
00:24:38.320it to me i think no i just i just want a clear question okay so if you're if you're a cop and
00:24:45.000this is the experience and then they throw a data data set in your face if i was the cop i would go
00:24:53.180with my experience because you know if you've worked in the field 20 years i think i don't
00:24:57.360what the scenario you're giving me is no i don't hold on i don't know what scenario you're giving
00:25:03.120me is so you're saying that i'm a cop and my experience is that i arrest more black people
00:25:07.680than white people yeah and the data and then let's say a study comes out and it says
00:25:13.200you arrest more that more white people commit crimes and you're like that is not true
00:25:19.520well yeah i'm not trying to argue about that by the way we don't know
00:25:23.600No, I mean, I would just say that, oh, wow. Interesting. Like, I wonder why that is. Right. So then I might look at like the rest of the data of like the people on my force. Right.
00:25:35.260If I find out that I'm the only person arresting black people at the same rate and everybody else on my force is arresting people at the rate that that data tells me the crime is committed.
00:25:45.820i would say like if i didn't want to be a racist i'd be like oh wow i should probably look at why
00:25:51.160like why i'm arresting more black people wow yeah that i would just say that study is full of shit
00:25:58.480that's me personally so so i under i understand where you're coming from i do get it but it's
00:26:04.720just a difference in how we perceive information right maybe that is just better at finding black
00:26:11.720criminals, I guess that's probably what he would say. Right. It's just, he's just, he's just better
00:26:15.540at it then. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's fine. It's just a difference in worldview, which is
00:26:19.780fine. Um, yeah. Okay. So we can actually get into the, I just wanted to clarify that before we
00:26:25.320started. So, okay. All right. So one of the topics I think you suggested was traditional
00:26:30.940gender role benefit men more than women. I'll hear you out. Give me the case. Okay. Sure. Uh, okay.
00:26:38.920um do you want to so the reason i had asked you this these all these topics actually kind of
00:26:47.040blend together to be honest um i did suss them out the way we talked about them but they are
00:26:51.780they do kind of blend together and just so everybody else knows we talked about this topic
00:26:55.840and um sexism uh still shaping pink collar and blue collar jobs uh and i can't remember the
00:27:05.400other one what was the other one it's um women don't have it easier than oh yeah which i think
00:27:10.880they all tie together to be honest but that's why i picked it is we could do this another day and go
00:27:16.140through the other ones but you're fine you're fine um yeah so basically um i think men gain
00:27:21.820more economic and social advantages from the gender roles than women um i'm gonna i'm going
00:27:27.800to say that that's going to be in wages and earnings um it's going to tie into the history
00:27:34.100that men have sort of had the norm of being the breadwinner and have had access to gain economic
00:27:39.860value far longer than women have women have um so that's like starting a race you know x amount
00:27:47.620of steps ahead um when we talk about like unpaid labor um done whether you are a stay-at-home
00:27:56.260parent or you work women typically are going to pick up for the slack of that around the house
00:28:02.340um and things like that i've got data that i can like you know go through this i've just got some
00:28:06.420stuff that i wrote down um here as well sorry say the last one more time unpaid later so women do
00:28:11.940more chores essentially but yeah when we talk about um like outside of the uh there's outside
00:28:18.900of the work day so even women who work like a nine to five um and then when they compare um
00:28:25.060household labor i think women do on average between like 37 and 51 more than men
00:28:30.980how many hours a day are they doing chores i mean there's like you know um there's air fryers now
00:28:38.020it's not that hard to cook keep clean yeah well i think that that right there too right i mean
00:28:43.140people who have children right like i just literally went through a crisis for 45 minutes
00:28:48.180prior my dad's fishing me and my mother you know are wrangling you know my child um you know that
00:28:55.220just typically like falls on on the mother and men benefit from that right my my dad my dad's
00:29:00.500benefiting from an anecdotal i know right um i'm i'm okay with the anecdotal you can give it to me
00:29:08.980well i'm just saying you know tell me so what like what's the specific thing that like was super
00:29:14.180you know time because today i want to talk about my personal that i'm just saying like uh but here
00:29:20.180let me um i mean we could just give an example so like you know because i you know we're having one
00:29:26.100kid maybe two now not ten you know my grandma had 13 kids so i could see how that would be time
00:29:31.220consuming but we're not you know i'm like how many hours a day are we like cooking you know
00:29:35.860and cleaning yeah i mean kids don't kids don't make kids you don't have children right no by the
00:29:42.260way perryl i have to say that for an anti-feminist you you sure would rock a feminist life i mean
00:29:48.820college educated no kids you're not married yet like right now you're in your prime like you got
00:29:55.380your bag you've got your thing like i wish i like i wish i was i wish i had rocked the feminist
00:30:00.580lifestyle like you did i i you know are you jealous i i like honestly yeah like i didn't have
00:30:06.580to wrangle my i didn't have to wrangle my kid tonight before this right like i mean you like
00:30:11.380i mean honestly like you know so i i think that uh you know getting pregnant young and and and
00:30:17.140holding that yes where a house is 1500 square feet so that's that's that's where yeah i live in
00:30:29.620well here i pulled up the answer to your question so um like how many so because in this study how
00:30:36.740many i want to know how many hours a day are the women doing this unpaid labor it's an it like i
00:30:41.860i said it so the 37 increase is gonna it talks about so 5.2 hours on average for men 8.8 for
00:30:51.020women this is um a day this is a day this is a day let me pull up the chart here um
00:30:56.680you just seem really inefficient well so we'll know because omg i do if you have a child i do
00:31:05.260have to read these may roast you at times i want you to know it's not personal but i will read
00:31:10.420that. You're welcome if they super chat you on TikTok and they roast me. It's totally fine.
00:31:14.380They are. OMG, it's fine. Is she really complaining about life skills every man can do?
00:31:20.640They can. They just don't. Okay. Yeah. I agree. I agree that men can do these things. They just
00:31:26.740don't. Okay. So you're saying, so men gain more economic and social gender roles from women.
00:31:33.660They make more money. How do you know they don't make more money to appease women's spending habits
00:31:43.180because women spend more than men? When you say women spend more, where are you getting that
00:31:49.900information from? Well, the first line of eyesight would be my eyes. I do have eyes and I see how
00:31:56.800women move in the world. Women do make 80% of consumer buying decisions. I think it's like
00:32:02.920150 000 well yeah they're doing well yeah they're doing the shopping for that that's part of that
00:32:09.720unpaid labor that they're they're doing right so they are managing the household managing the
00:32:14.280bills right so when you say women are are doing it like i i got you got to stop interrupting me
00:32:20.920okay yeah you got it you got to let me finish you got to let me finish okay so my first the
00:32:28.520first way I would, I would have this opinion is my eyes. So I have seen the difference between
00:32:35.960men and women's spending habits. I noticed this in college, women would go out to eat,
00:32:40.560men would be more likely to eat in the cafeteria. I noticed this post-college where women would
00:32:45.720invest in, especially white women. We love Botox. You know what I mean? We love, we love Botox. We
00:32:52.280love um shopping you know i don't really witness a lot of women um cooking to be honest maybe that's
00:32:59.400what the study is saying but that's just not what i've noticed i know i know oh you gotta
00:33:04.280okay sorry i was just i just i don't want to mute you i don't want to mute you but i will so um
00:33:13.000see this is why i can't be interrupted i get i'll be on a roll you know so anyways it first starts
00:33:19.560in college where i just noticed a different you know women go out shopping that's like a hobby for
00:33:24.040us that's a hobby it's not a hobby for men um then on top of that there is evidence that supports
00:33:35.400this um it's also if i go around in the city i just see all the stuff that like is marketed to
00:33:40.200women you know restaurants um botox fake nails fake hair um doug mpa oh yeah then there's hold
00:33:53.480on i can't i can't i got look hold on one second one second i'm going to take you down for one
00:33:59.000second one second i can't read and listen so i'm trying to have a conversation with her you gotta
00:34:06.440you gotta let me go thank you i can't yeah please don't do that you can put it it's just you know
00:34:15.480okay thank you we're back um so yeah so you have st i witness women traveling you see this on
00:34:23.240instagram um student debt women own the majority of so i would attribute in my eyes you know i
00:34:34.040grew up with a mother and a father my mother spent far more than my father relatives the women always
00:34:40.920spend more than the men so yeah go ahead you're welcome to rebuttal now okay can you show me some
01:00:25.800Yeah, you want to know so bad, but when it's pay me, when it's pay me, when it's pay me for it, you don't want, they're like, you know, I don't want to know, $500.