Pearl - February 23, 2025


Feminist Makes Fun Of Men Losing Their Job ｜ The Sitdown


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14 minutes

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222

Misogynist Sentences

27

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00:00:00.000 But if you still want to be in that child's life and you want to be involved, then you will have
00:00:03.860 to pay child support. So now they take it directly out of your bank account. You can lose your
00:00:08.180 fishing license. You can. You can. You can. It is. It's really. There's men that themselves over
00:00:14.900 this. I know you think it's funny, but like I've interviewed men that were a mile from their kids
00:00:20.020 and haven't seen them in years. In general, if there's no abuse or anything crazy like that 50
00:00:25.460 50 off the bat as a starting point, I think that every case should be taken into account
00:00:31.900 from its individual and nuanced perspective. I think that, sure, abuse should absolutely
00:00:36.260 be taken into account, but also should finances also should desire for child care also should
00:00:41.760 geographical location like all of these different things. But I'm asking for a starting point.
00:00:46.640 50 50 custody off the bat. I think that each partner should be looked at equitably and should
00:00:52.780 there should be no discrimination towards either from the get go from the get like, okay,
00:00:57.580 so we would agree off the bat starting it's 50 50. I understand if there's abuse, if there's
00:01:03.820 one parent wants to work more totally fine. They can work that out. But I'm saying to start off
00:01:09.960 the bat 50 50 custody, no child support, no alimony. No, that's not what I said. Okay. No child support,
00:01:17.060 no alimony. That's not what I said. I'm asking you. What's your thoughts? Yeah. So as I previously
00:01:22.300 said, I think that each case should be analyzed and should be, you know, when it comes to finances,
00:01:31.400 when it comes to abuse, when it comes to all of these things, like that's going to be so unique
00:01:36.300 to each individual circumstance. So to say no alimony or full child support or 50 50, like these
00:01:42.960 are people and people are complex. And so you seem to want simple answers for complex issues.
00:01:48.660 No, I want a starting point. I understand that it's complicated and family dynamics.
00:01:55.580 There's abuse of women. There's abuse of men that would, that would change a family dynamic. You
00:02:00.560 would agree. Right. There are, um, differences and schedules for work totally can be worked out,
00:02:07.540 but I'm saying off the bat 50 50 custody, no child support, no alimony. Yeah. And I disagree.
00:02:14.600 Yeah. And, and that's my point. Whenever I talk about an issue that would help men or be more fair
00:02:20.880 to men and that benefits women, you don't give me a straight answer. Who does it? And you say it's
00:02:26.040 complicated. Who designed the legal system? Who designed it? Yeah. I don't know. Men. I mean,
00:02:33.340 it depends because some of the laws are like title 4d came in the past, um, 50 years,
00:02:40.460 I want to say. And by then like women have the majority of voting power. So most of the laws in
00:02:46.320 recent years are catered to women. So actually most of these laws are not determined by a vote.
00:02:51.800 Most of these laws are determined by politicians. And right now more men historically and present day
00:02:58.980 hold positions of power. And so these policies that you're talking about are not policies that
00:03:03.740 the population is voted on at large. These are policies that have been designed primarily by men in
00:03:09.000 power. So if you want to talk about how the system is detrimental to men, you also need to recognize
00:03:13.660 that men are detrimental to men. Right. But who, who's there, who are they representing the
00:03:19.900 politicians? Who votes more? Who votes more? Yeah. Who turns up to vote more? Who is the majority of
00:03:25.760 the population? Women. Okay. So they represent women's interests. Not necessarily. And you can see
00:03:32.500 that what, what percent of the time do men get custody in family court? So it, it actually, um,
00:03:39.000 now the majority of child custody cases are joint custody. That's not true. It is. It's about 50.3%.
00:03:46.140 Men only get custody 10% of the time. So we're looking at different statistics. Most of most
00:03:51.260 alimony payments are men to women. Most child support payments are men to women. And that's
00:03:57.580 because historical precedent. Yeah. You have to take into like historical context of like the, and also men
00:04:03.540 earn more than women. Like there's so much nuance to this, but, um, from Cornell, I was reading a study
00:04:07.980 by Cornell university that looked at divorces and custody and all these things. And the majority,
00:04:12.540 I think it was 50.3% of, um, child custody cases end up as being joint custody.
00:04:19.280 The majority of child support and alimony payments are men to women. Yeah. Because men earn more.
00:04:24.920 That's the biggest, that is the biggest wealth transfer in the United States. If women want
00:04:28.120 to be independent, I actually have no problem. Like I, again, I, as I said before, I think it's
00:04:33.120 very impressive. You became a doctor. I just think that people, that women that want to take
00:04:38.260 that path should pay for it. So do you think that the money is for her or for the children?
00:04:43.720 I think that women do not always spend it on the kids.
00:04:49.960 Because it takes more to actually, you know, there are men in poverty over these laws.
00:04:55.760 Yeah. And a lot of child support isn't paid either. And you can also opt out of child support
00:04:59.820 by relinquishing your parental rights in a lot of States. So if you don't want any rights as a
00:05:04.380 parent, then you can relinquish those rights and then you won't be held accountable for child
00:05:08.600 support. But if you still want to be in that child's life and you want to be involved, then
00:05:12.500 you will have to pay child support. So now they take it directly out of your bank account. You can
00:05:17.020 lose your fishing license. You can, um, you can, you can, it is, it's really sick. There's men that
00:05:23.200 killed themselves over this. I know you think it's funny, but like I've interviewed men that
00:05:27.820 were a mile from their kids and haven't seen them in years. And they want, they wanted nothing. I
00:05:32.340 know you think it's like funny, but it's really not. No, I don't think that it's funny. I just
00:05:35.860 think, I think that you bringing up men losing their fishing licenses while talking about women
00:05:40.660 bearing the majority of like childcare duties is like that, that like comparison is humorous to me.
00:05:47.160 Not, not men unaliving themselves, not men losing money, but just like that comparison is humorous.
00:05:51.540 I mean, that's like one of many things that they lose. They lose their fishing license. Like that's one.
00:05:56.200 But I'm, my point is that it's unconstitutional. Like I know you think it's funny, but it's really
00:06:00.520 not. I mean, men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce. This literally
00:06:05.940 kills men. Yeah, exactly. Because men actually benefit from marriage more than women do. And
00:06:11.120 when you look at the statistics of like post divorce, um, mental health outcomes, men have
00:06:16.620 worse mental health outcomes than women. Women are typically happier after divorce. And so if you
00:06:20.660 want to argue that, that marriage disproportionately benefits women, like that's not true. I'd be pretty
00:06:25.540 unhappy too. If I was on child support or alimony and I had a hard time seeing my kids and you had
00:06:30.260 to support your children. What a hard life. Well, you understand that it's not taxed. So the, the
00:06:36.880 problem is they take over 50% of the man's income because it's not, so they have to pay taxes on the
00:06:43.120 stuff they're giving her and take half of his paycheck to support his children that he wants to be
00:06:48.140 involved in their lives. Right. But it wasn't his choice because women leave the majority of the time.
00:06:52.540 It's his choice to relinquish his parental rights if he wants to. Well, I'm, what I'm saying is
00:06:56.140 many men want to be married and they want to be an involved father and they want to stay with the
00:07:02.200 mother of their children. My point is if she makes the decision to leave, she should pay for it. If
00:07:07.440 you want to leave, that's totally fine, but you should pay to raise your kid. Is it not his child
00:07:11.780 as well? And he should pay for the time. That's why I said 50, 50 custody off the bat, no child
00:07:17.680 support, no alimony. So she gets to take on all of the childcare responsibilities, but he, all he gets,
00:07:24.080 he doesn't have to like pay anything. He doesn't have to have any buy-in. I didn't say all I said,
00:07:28.380 50, 50 custody. He should have the kid half the time. But doesn't have to pay any money towards it.
00:07:33.560 No, he should pay for the kid when the kid's at his house. Okay. And so the majority of the time
00:07:38.660 when the kid is at the mother's house, he doesn't have to be involved in any way financially.
00:07:45.220 No, she should pay for it. She has a job. Why, why should he have to pay for a kid?
00:07:50.980 He should have to, he should support it. If she chose to have the kid and she chooses divorce,
00:07:56.340 why should she not have to pay for her own decision? That's the thing. See, you want,
00:08:00.020 that's, there it is. You want all the freedom to do whatever you want, but you don't want to have
00:08:03.820 to pay for it. No, because I also think that the way that you, the way that you look at these
00:08:07.940 issues and the way that you look at these divorces is very nefarious towards women.
00:08:13.700 And so I just think that it's very interesting to see the way that you speak about women and the
00:08:18.980 way that you think about women and the way that you think that we make these decisions as if we're
00:08:23.440 just flippantly getting a divorce and like taking advantage of men as if like, it's not more nuanced
00:08:29.120 than that, because you don't seem to appreciate the nuance of the human experience and the complexity
00:08:34.420 of relationships. You know, I think there are valid reasons for divorce. If women want to divorce,
00:08:40.140 that's totally fine. They can do that. I think that they should pay for their decisions. Again,
00:08:46.020 this goes back to, I say, if you want the freedom to do something, you should take the responsibility
00:08:50.520 that comes with it. You want them to have the freedom to do something, but not have the responsibility
00:08:55.580 that comes with it. So you say you can have the freedom to divorce. Totally. We agree, right?
00:09:01.680 We can have the freedom to be a single mother, to go into medicine or whatever career you want,
00:09:08.140 but I think you should have the responsibility to pay for it. And I don't think that, do you think
00:09:12.440 that's unreasonable?
00:09:13.140 Well, I would just flip it around, right? I would say that if men want the freedom to be a part of
00:09:20.120 their child's life, then they should accept the responsibility that that entails, which includes
00:09:25.440 financial responsibility. But women have the right to work now. Yeah, but men still out earn women.
00:09:32.520 Because they do harder jobs. Not necessarily, no. Because you don't think doing an infrastructure job
00:09:39.620 is more difficult than the number one employers of women, which is admin, assistance, education.
00:09:47.680 Education, you get out at like three o'clock, 2.30. I mean, there's men, again, there's men dying,
00:09:54.540 getting you the chair you're sitting on. There's men dying to protect you, literally.
00:09:59.520 So statistically, when they look at the gender wage gap, they've shown that women in the exact
00:10:05.320 same positions with the exact same qualifications make less than men. So it's not this like strange,
00:10:12.600 overarching pattern that you like to point out that men are in these dangerous jobs and they run
00:10:16.520 society. Like, that's just not true when it comes to the gender wage gap. They've controlled for these
00:10:22.160 variables when they study this. And there's still a very significant gender wage gap, even when you
00:10:27.920 control for different industries, different degrees, different qualifications, different hours,
00:10:32.960 women working all of the same things as men, hours, degrees, industries, education, whatever,
00:10:39.640 still make less than men. So if you want to pull it back towards child care or child support,
00:10:45.240 then you have to recognize that like on a societal scale, like the wage gap is there. And so that's
00:10:52.460 also going to contribute to the gap in child support and financial responsibility. Well, women don't do as
00:10:57.480 good of a job. They don't produce as much in the workforce. That's why they get paid back.
00:11:01.200 That's actually incorrect. They've done, they've done it.
00:11:02.980 They make 80% of the world's stuff. Women. Okay. Men have invented 90% of things. Men.
00:11:10.580 Where did you get that statistic? Google it. Google it. Right. I will. And I would argue that
00:11:15.740 especially historically. A world without men too. It's in that book. It's an economist. He breaks down.
00:11:21.120 I would argue that also historically women have been erased from their accomplishments. A lot of people
00:11:26.840 don't know that Albert Einstein had a wife who actually helped him and got the same degrees
00:11:32.000 that he did. She went to the same schools that he did, same classes, but they didn't award her a
00:11:37.260 degree because she was a woman and I'm not done. And she helped him develop the monumental calculations
00:11:44.720 that we still utilize today. And he's been quoted saying that he would be nowhere near as successful
00:11:50.060 and would have never found the, um, like developed the equations that he did without her. So that's
00:11:56.220 just one anecdotal part. But when you look at the actual productivity and efficiency of women,
00:12:02.040 if you are a female surgeon, you are going to have better surgical outcomes. This has been studied
00:12:07.580 numerous times and statistically female surgeons have better outcomes than male surgeons. They've also
00:12:13.340 analyzed the top 500 companies like fortune 500, I think. Yeah, but they're only, they're only 20%
00:12:18.340 of surgeons. Yeah. And so isn't that amazing that only 20% of women have better outcomes than 80%. And
00:12:24.260 they would be doing the majority of medical breakthroughs. They're not. They're not the majority. But they
00:12:29.540 are the surgeries that they are doing and the work that they are doing is higher quality than the work
00:12:35.220 that men are doing. According to what some study, if they could dominate the field, they would go do
00:12:41.060 it. We are. Where's the female billionaires? All the female billionaires are rich off of men's money. Yeah,
00:12:46.580 so it's actually 80% of billionaires inherited their family's money. But that's beyond the
00:12:51.540 point. From a man or a woman?
00:12:52.500 From men because historical, because historical precedent. Men are more productive. Historical
00:12:58.340 precedent, Pearl. But there's, we've had 50 years, like where is the female Elon Musk? Where is?
00:13:04.660 So they've actually analyzed the top 500 companies and female CEOs, companies that are run by female CEOs
00:13:12.420 outperform companies that are run by male CEOs. So as I've said before, if women were not historically
00:13:18.420 stagnated and kept behind and banned from partaking in education in all of these industries, I would
00:13:25.940 argue that our society would be better off. We would be safer, we'd be happier, we'd be more efficient,
00:13:31.620 just based on the last 50 years where we have been able to partake at a higher level. And all the
00:13:36.820 statistics show that we are more successful than men when we compete with them. And we are still making
00:13:42.260 up for the historical precedent in the past. And that's, and we do all of that while enduring
00:13:47.700 discrimination, while enduring doubt, while enduring things like pregnancy and childbearing without
00:13:54.020 maternal or maternity leave. That's guaranteed. We're the only developed country in the world that
00:14:00.020 doesn't have mandatory maternity leave. Like our country is so broken on all of these levels. And we
00:14:06.740 have so many other things that we could be talking about to improve society. But instead we're talking
00:14:11.060 about like how men die on crab boats and they have to pay child support when like, arguably that is not
00:14:18.980 the biggest issue that we have in our, in our country. So you think that we talk too much about
00:14:24.180 men dying at work? No, that's not what I said. I think that's an, no, I think that's an oversimplification
00:14:31.380 of my statement. Okay.