Pearl - Feminist Ms. Kenzie Joins Pearl Daily For A Debate ｜ The Sitdown

00:00:00.000 Another episode of Pearl Daily here on the Audacity Network.

00:00:03.860 Thank you guys so much for tuning in.

00:00:06.080 So as you guys know, I love having conversations,

00:00:09.120 not only with people that have similar points of view,

00:00:12.100 but I also love to invite people on the show

00:00:14.180 that have different points of view.

00:00:17.020 So I saw Miss Kenzie debating Andrew Wilson,

00:00:20.600 and I was actually really impressed.

00:00:22.740 I thought, Andrew, he can cause a lot of people to crash out.

00:00:30.000 He can really, he can really, you know, I'll say debating Andrew Wilson is not for the week.

00:00:39.060 He was not for the week.

00:00:39.800 And I was actually impressed how she stayed calm, composed, cool, and collected.

00:00:45.560 So today we're invited her on the show to have a discussion about feminism and some of the topics we might disagree on. 0.98

00:00:53.520 And I do ask the chat, guys, if you can, as long as the guests are respectful to us, we are respectful back.

00:01:03.160 So if you guys super chat, personal attention, you can debate, you can super chat, a difference in opinion.

00:01:11.200 But I'm not reading any super chats that are just outright mean, okay?

00:01:15.980 You guys do that to me sometimes and I'm just not a fan of it.

00:01:19.140 So, you know, that's my two cents from the chat.

00:01:23.280 but thank you guys for tuning in welcome to the show Kenzie thank you Pearl I

00:01:30.600 appreciate you having me so do you just Kenzie or miss Kenzie what do you prefer 0.74

00:01:35.780 and Kenzie's fine okay great so first question before you before we get into

00:01:42.360 like some of the topics we wanted to go through today how did you get into how

00:01:47.240 did you get into debating and how did you end up on whatever podcast um so in december of 2021

00:01:57.240 um i was just kind of at home by myself i had recently been introduced to tick tock uh by a

00:02:03.080 girlfriend of mine okay and i was just scrolling i normally skipped lives uh within my scroll but i

00:02:09.960 happened to just cross one i think it was um big john steel was doing a religious debate and i

00:02:16.600 joined that um and then that led to an abortion debate and then the abortion debate and kind of

00:02:24.280 the abortion niche is where i really got my start in debating cool so what's your um what's your is

00:02:30.380 this your full-time job do you do something because most people aren't able to like talk about these

00:02:36.360 topics and i was just curious if you do something during the day or do you do this full-time yes i

00:02:41.800 do have a day job okay do they know or what uh no oh they don't i mean it's more it's a hobby at

00:02:50.020 this point but um no i i try and keep that separate okay cool do you mind what do you do

00:02:55.320 do you do you share or no if you don't it's okay i i don't share okay okay no problem okay so uh

00:03:02.580 for this uh conversation we're gonna have debate i i go by the rule no personal attacks so we could

00:03:10.660 attack the argument but not each other are you good with that sure okay okay um so since you're

00:03:17.600 the guest i will let you pick of the topics we said we were going to discuss which one do you

00:03:23.340 have one you want to start with i know i was just going to take my cue from you okay cool so why

00:03:29.560 don't we start with women being you said abortion so why don't we start with abortion what what is 0.99

00:03:39.700 your take on abortion um in what capacity i i guess just to kind of summarize it would be i

00:03:47.220 don't think there should be any legal restrictions on abortion really so you think it should be legal

00:03:51.260 up to birth correct i would follow the colorado model where there's no laws legislating abortion

00:03:58.940 wow that is an extreme position i i don't think so wow so you don't see any problem with them

00:04:07.020 aborting like a fully formed like they have a heart like the day before they're born you're

00:04:12.540 okay with aborting it yeah so I would just define abortion as the deliberate termination of

00:04:19.020 pregnancy so if it's the day before I don't know a scheduled c-section or whatever we would just

00:04:24.280 induce birth okay so you would just have them give birth instead of aborting the kid and then would

00:04:31.940 they kill it after? Or what would they do with the kid? Well, I don't think abortion is like

00:04:36.960 intrinsically this idea that it's designed to unalive the fetus. It's designed to terminate

00:04:41.440 pregnancy. Okay. But even when it's fully formed, you would say, but sorry, I'm just, I'm trying to

00:04:51.520 go through what you said with it being, you guys make kind of make up all these words and it kind

00:04:58.140 it confuses me. So what word did I make up? Well, cause I would just say it's a kid the day before

00:05:04.920 it's born. Right. So like that doesn't answer what word I made up. So I, well, it's kind of

00:05:13.100 like when you say it's a fetus instead of a baby, like I would call it a baby. You guys would say

00:05:16.940 fetus. I understand it's a difference in semantics. Um, again, that doesn't say what

00:05:23.480 word I made up, but fetus is just a gestational time period reference. So a fetus is eight weeks

00:05:30.980 gestation to birth. So my opinion on abortion is I do give up. I think women have, I think it's 1.00

00:05:38.520 disgusting. I think it's wrong, but I do think women have fought really hard for abortion and 0.98

00:05:45.020 I give up if they want to kill their kids. I personally would say that we should make a deal

00:05:50.780 with the pro-life people or the pro-choice people and i think we should meet you guys at like three

00:05:56.960 to six months would you be open to if we could stop arguing about it a deal at three to six

00:06:03.180 months no oh you would say nothing until full birth so i i think it's really interesting when 0.96

00:06:13.700 pro-lifers is that how you would classify yourself no i've given up i've given up you guys can kill 1.00

00:06:19.420 your kids. So if you want to, if you want to say, should there be negotiation or middle ground with 0.99

00:06:24.080 pro-lifers? No pro-lifer can really give me the landscape of what termination and pregnancy looks

00:06:31.180 like within the third term. Like at what rate is this happening? Canada doesn't have any restrictions

00:06:37.780 on abortion and they have a lower abortion rate than the United States. Yeah. I would say one is 0.89

00:06:42.640 too many. Like, it's pretty disgusting for me. What does that mean? I would say one abortion 1.00

00:06:49.040 at nine months is too many. Like, that is disgusting. What does that mean? That one

00:06:55.900 abortion at nine months. What do you mean when you say, like, disgusting? Like, what? I feel

00:07:00.920 you're just kind of doing an emotional appeal. No, I would say it's, it grosses me out personally

00:07:07.000 uh because you're ripping the limbs off one by one crushing the head and vacuuming the kid out

00:07:14.760 that's pretty gross have you seen i mean that that's actually not true i would say that's

00:07:20.100 pro-life propaganda i there is there is what we call a dne um that does create disarticulation

00:07:28.760 but often when we look at abortion within try uh pregnant when we look at termination later

00:07:35.220 in pregnancy it's often just induced labor and people give birth to stillborns yeah well i would 0.99

00:07:41.700 say that's still disgusting okay but but i give up you guys can kill your kids okay yeah i mean 0.97

00:07:51.620 again this this really to me just doesn't move the conversation any further i think you're just using 0.99

00:07:55.540 emotionally charged language without any kind of critique well you could say that but this is a

00:08:02.020 conversation say that because it's true well this is this is a conversation so i'm giving you my

00:08:07.420 opinion i don't right but if we're if okay if that's where you want it to stop so again if you

00:08:16.160 do you want to reduce abortion would that be a common goal i've given up i've given up i think

00:08:21.940 women want to kill you've given i think i think i think women want to kill their kids so bad 1.00

00:08:26.960 um that they just they will do anything to kill their kids even abort a kid even abort a kid at 1.00

00:08:33.720 nine months focus I don't think the focus is like a desire to kill children I think the focus is not

00:08:40.960 to be forced to sustain pregnancy and to have control over family planning yeah um I would say

00:08:47.580 I would agree with you that they don't want to be pregnant um but I just think that you're kind 1.00

00:08:52.980 retarded if you get pregnant um when you have iud's birth control uh natural family play like 0.98

00:09:01.540 i mean you know your your phone it literally tracks when you're ovulating and you have like 0.99

00:09:07.940 it's like the women the women the women are too dumb the rhythm the rhythm method is the most 1.00

00:09:13.700 ineffective way to uh what what we would say is birth control that's 60 to 70 percent effective 0.99

00:09:20.500 if you want to talk about iud's that's great so colorado instituted colorado instituted the lark

00:09:28.760 plan b plan b also they can put a pill in your it's just at this point i just it's like men 0.77

00:09:36.660 invent everything for us to not have kids and we still can't do it you can't get an abortion 0.56

00:09:41.820 in the first three months there's capitalist barriers that are in the way if we look at

00:09:45.900 Colorado. Colorado instituted the LARC program, which stands for Long-Acting Reversible Contraceptives, where they made IUDs free to people 16 to 20, and it significantly reduced abortion rates.

00:09:58.760 And the program actually paid for itself because people who would have been forced to sustain pregnancy no longer needed additional state services in order to care for those children.

00:10:10.420 so yes if we want to reduce abortion i'm for public funding of long-acting reversible

00:10:16.480 contraceptives and all contraceptives but that's like but then see you go back to it this is why

00:10:21.760 i think feminists want women uh really women are a protected class in society now you want free 1.00

00:10:27.580 free birth control really yeah you can't pay for like what you can't pay for your own

00:10:33.740 your own like why why does the state have to pay for your decision

00:10:39.280 um well number one it stays it saves the state money in terms of welfare programs that are

00:10:48.260 needed in order to take care of children who are subjected to poverty and and obviously a state is

00:10:53.800 necessary within a system of capitalism okay well we're not talking about capitalism we're talking

00:10:59.400 about abortion we are talking about capitalism because you just said why does the state have

00:11:04.600 to pay for people it's because i'm saying i'm saying for birth control i'm saying on an individual

00:11:10.600 level i don't understand why people are subjected to poverty so therefore they can't afford birth

00:11:19.420 control because of capitalism yeah so you want someone else to pay for it

00:11:24.160 if it gives them access to health care yes that's an effective system i mean that's how

00:11:30.980 private insurance works what are you talking about okay now we're talking about insurance

00:11:35.780 well yeah don't don't you like do you support private insurance

00:11:40.860 i don't have an opinion on it well i i think you need to fundamentally because this is also

00:11:49.440 talking about like private insurance is just a a pooling of um premiums in order to pay other

00:11:56.240 people's deductibles and costs okay you would have a fundamental opposing against that if you're for

00:12:02.560 people paying for other people's health care i think that if you want to have casual sex that's

00:12:08.080 totally fine you're welcome to do that but i do think you should be responsible enough to pay for

00:12:13.920 for your own birth control.

00:12:15.900 Most abortions are from long-term committed relationships.

00:12:19.640 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:12:21.280 Then why did you say casual sex?

00:12:25.620 I probably misspoke, either or.

00:12:28.500 I don't think that was a misspeak.

00:12:30.180 I think that was misogyny.

00:12:32.280 Because you're saying women who get pregnant and need abortions 1.00

00:12:34.640 are sluts, right? 1.00

00:12:36.000 Let's be honest. 1.00

00:12:39.000 No, I say they're irresponsible with the amount of birth

00:12:42.760 control that there is today. But why highlight that people who get abortions are engaging in

00:12:47.080 casual sex? Well, I would say a good percentage are partially. No, 60%, closer to 70% are due

00:12:57.400 to long-term committed relationships. Well, then what's the other, what's the other 30%?

00:13:03.160 Well, I mean, come on, stop it. What do you mean? I mean, come on, sorry. What makes more sense?

00:13:12.040 what do you think causes pregnancy? Is it the number of partners or the volume of sex that 0.82

00:13:17.000 you're having? I would say it's being irresponsible. Again, we're not talking

00:13:24.540 about responsibility because you said it's from casual sex. Again, if I'm having casual sex 0.90

00:13:31.640 once a month, I'm less likely to get pregnant than if I'm married and having sex with my husband

00:13:37.360 every night i don't care how it happened um either way i would say you're being irresponsible

00:13:42.720 define irresponsible uh making a choice you can't pay for and you expect other people to pay for

00:13:51.120 why is that irresponsible because that's part of being an adult is paying for your own decisions

00:13:58.360 you paying to have sex yes

00:14:04.320 i mean there's a car is this like a class thing then like if you can't afford birth control you

00:14:11.220 just shouldn't be having sex so if you're in poverty and can't afford birth control don't

00:14:15.520 have sex is like kids now something that only like rich and middle class people should have 0.94

00:14:21.540 um i do think that if that's a choice you're gonna make uh you should be able to pay for it

00:14:28.360 Well, then I would feel like it would be pro-abortion if someone can pay for their abortion. 1.00

00:14:33.220 Isn't that the responsible thing to do rather than depending on the state? 0.99

00:14:36.620 Are you saying poor people are too dumb to take birth control? 0.98

00:14:41.100 No, I'm saying that they don't have the means to purchase that. 0.99

00:14:43.500 I mean, condoms are free at a lot of places.

00:14:47.120 Sure.

00:14:47.960 But you also need transportation.

00:14:49.820 You need time in the event you might not have one.

00:14:52.440 I mean, 54% of abortions are due to fail.

00:14:54.860 Why do you think so?

00:14:55.700 why do you think so little of poor people where they can't figure it out of abortions are due

00:15:01.440 to failed contraceptives i don't think little of poor people i think poor people should have 1.00

00:15:06.320 resources like free condoms you don't i would say that you actually think like poorly of poor people

00:15:12.440 like free condoms i i think i think that they they so you're for free condoms but not for free

00:15:19.660 the free pills or free iud well it's not making sense well it's not what i think should be it's

00:15:24.940 what is? Well, I think we should talk about odds, right? No? About odds? Odds. What ought to be?

00:15:34.560 No, I don't believe in ought. I think we should talk about what is.

00:15:40.720 Why? Because this is the real world. Right, but we're... This is kind of the problem you get with

00:15:48.920 women, is women do think in odds, right? That's why I said I give up on abortion, 1.00

00:15:54.040 because this isn't Pearl's world

00:15:55.740 where I wave my finger and get what I want.

00:15:58.600 I live in the real world.

00:15:59.640 Do you support oppression?

00:16:00.880 I live in the real world where I live in the real world

00:16:06.500 where women can and do have abortion.

00:16:09.540 But when you talk to women, 0.99

00:16:11.620 they think debating is really doing something.

00:16:15.840 So I try to talk about what is,

00:16:18.200 not what I wish would be.

00:16:20.300 This does nothing for the conversation.

00:16:22.700 I think when we're talking like, do you think, uh, uh, no, I'm sorry. Do you support oppression?

00:16:31.980 No. So you think we should live in a world where there is not oppression?

00:16:38.880 Um, it depends what you mean by oppression, but you just said you didn't support it. So it sounds

00:16:45.540 like you knew what I meant. And now that I'm asking you if that's an alt claim,

00:16:48.780 now you want me to define it well what why don't you define it 0.99

00:16:54.300 pearl i just asked you do you support oppression you said no yeah because that's kind of a stupid 0.91

00:17:00.700 question well if you don't support it then to me that says you have a concept and an understanding 0.89

00:17:07.520 of what oppression is i even asked you what your definition of oppression was and you said the

00:17:11.900 dictionary definition so even if we go by that you don't support oppression so do you think we

00:17:17.880 ought to live in a world where people are not oppressed i don't live in oughts i live in is

00:17:24.220 which probably kind of is a good pivot to our next um our next topic to our next topic so

00:17:31.140 all right let's let's talk about female oppression uh you i'm assuming think that women are oppressed 1.00

00:17:37.380 yeah okay so what what in what ways do you think women are oppressed i think women are oppressed 1.00

00:17:45.020 by capitalism. Women are oppressed by sexual violence. Women are oppressed by race, by ableism.

00:17:55.600 I mean, really, if we talk about any kind of capitalist system, I think there is some form

00:18:00.880 of oppression built into where women are disadvantaged. Okay, so in what ways day-to-day 1.00

00:18:06.520 are women oppressed by a capitalist system? Women are more likely to be in poverty. 1.00

00:18:11.700 okay keep going women are more like sorry oh i'm listening keep going 1.00

00:18:16.700 uh women are have barriers when it comes to certain employment and the earning of profit 1.00

00:18:24.900 they have additional obligations that put them into labor that is non-paid okay so barriers

00:18:32.420 sorry say that one more time barriers when it comes barriers to wage labor okay and social

00:18:38.100 obligations to unpaid labor social obligations to anything else um i'm sure there is but those

00:18:45.520 are off the top of my head okay why do you think women are more likely to be in poverty 1.00

00:18:50.800 because they have barriers to wage labor okay because they have social obligations to unpaid

00:18:58.700 okay what are the barriers to paid labor sure um uh well like obviously the wage gap okay wage gap

00:19:10.620 keep going what else um the social obligations or expectation when it comes to uh family care

00:19:19.320 when it comes okay what else anything those are off the top of my head i think those would be the

00:19:25.800 Okay. So you're saying that women are more likely to be in poverty because of the wage gap and

00:19:33.160 social expectations when it comes to family care. Yeah. Okay. So I would disagree with you because

00:19:39.600 the majority of, you know, I think it's actually ridiculous that women are anywhere close to paid 1.00

00:19:48.360 the same as men when men produce 80% of the world's stuff. Why is that the barometer? 0.82

00:19:55.800 because you need people to keep society running right but you're talking about just people

00:20:02.520 producing products rather than people offering service women offer high like women are often in 0.97

00:20:08.440 service positions yeah i don't think they're as valuable as the positions that men do like

00:20:13.480 we wouldn't even have houses if we didn't have male carpenters you can't have service 1.00

00:20:17.240 positions is valuable um i think health care is valuable but women that's service isn't it 1.00

00:20:24.280 yeah but i don't think it's as important you can't have health care without the houses that

00:20:30.380 women are in i mean you can't have people if they're dying from disease uh i guess you could 1.00

00:20:39.020 say that the other the other thing is 63 of scholarships are given to women um so so women

00:20:46.140 are women are really i would say given a head up in life because they're given the majority of 1.00

00:20:52.720 scholarships um women are given preferential treatment women are women and college enrollments

00:20:58.380 are women so it would make sense that they get scholarships at a higher rate yeah because 1.00

00:21:02.320 education favors women no women typically need education in order to have access to higher 1.00

00:21:08.940 labor or higher wage not really because we own all of this we own all of the student debt

00:21:15.040 we don't own all of the student debt are you kidding we own the majority of it and we don't

00:21:20.520 And the difference is we don't go into STEM and we don't pay it back.

00:21:30.700 Men are two times as likely to pay back their student loan debt than women.

00:21:35.680 Okay.

00:21:37.760 That's preferential treatment.

00:21:39.420 I mean, I don't think it's preferential treatment.

00:21:41.960 That's women getting all the benefits without the responsibility. 1.00

00:21:44.640 I don't think so at all, because you would need to look at the cause as why women are struggling to pay PAC student debt. 1.00

00:21:51.300 Could that be due to family planning, that they have kids and they're unable to work?

00:21:55.100 Women aren't having kids. 1.00

00:21:58.520 They are having kids.

00:21:59.320 Women are not having kids. 1.00

00:22:00.740 The birth rates declined massively in the last 20 years.

00:22:04.120 Just because it's declined doesn't mean that we're not having children.

00:22:06.020 And we're not having a lot of kids, and you have the choice to not.

00:22:09.240 And this is what I mean when I say feminists. 1.00

00:22:14.640 you want everybody to pay for your poor choices so if you want to get an abortion if you want to

00:22:20.480 if you want to get if you get an abortion you want other people to pay for it if you if you 0.69

00:22:26.080 want to go if you want to go if you want to go into a job market that pays less you want to blame

00:22:34.240 the patriarchy instead of going into stem if you're not smart enough to do stem women do go 1.00

00:22:39.760 into stem it depends what industry we're talking about i mean the majority quit after five to ten

00:22:45.460 years they can't they can't stick around and do it they choose to quit you don't have the source

00:22:50.780 on that you don't have to have you don't have to i mean you can google it kenzie it's women 1.00

00:22:55.720 women on average women on women on women on women on average do not women on women on average don't

00:23:04.500 stay in STEM. They don't. Well, give me the source, girl. I mean, come on, you read, right?

00:23:09.740 You can Google it. It's at the top of Google. Kenzie, if we're gonna... I'm not looking to do

00:23:15.180 your homework. I'm looking to read what you have read, Pearl. Okay. So, wait, how do I go?

00:23:26.040 22% of SEMS students are women

00:23:33.680 and this is what I mean

00:23:40.980 it's like she comes on my show and she wants to over talk me 0.96

00:23:43.820 I think feminists have no idea how insufferable they tend to be 1.00

00:23:48.180 are you done? are you going to be polite? 0.94

00:23:51.460 if you're going to have an attitude I'll kick you 0.98

00:23:54.780 it's all right. So I would say my bottom line, and I'll go into this, is that if women want to 1.00

00:24:09.920 make choices, they have to pay for them. So whether that's going into STEM or not going

00:24:16.660 into STEM, you are responsible for your choice. I don't like to blame these external factors

00:24:21.800 for my choices? Well, of course not, because you think everything exists in a vacuum.

00:24:27.060 I don't know what that means, but okay. Okay.

00:24:31.860 So it means that you think that something exists independently of certain systems or

00:24:37.640 environments, when that's just not true. I think that you're responsible for the choices that you

00:24:43.580 make. Would you agree or disagree? What do you mean by responsible? Okay. Are we going to do this

00:24:50.820 all day where you're going to say, what do you mean by that? Or can you answer? Yeah, because you say

00:24:54.420 things, Pearl, and I don't know what kind of concept you're conveying to me. So that's why

00:24:58.780 I'm asking you to clarify your concept. Are you, are you an adult? I just want to have an adult

00:25:03.760 conversation here. I don't think you do. Well,

00:25:13.540 you going to answer the question or no? What, what question?

00:25:16.840 do you think women should be responsible for the choices they make what does that mean 0.96

00:25:23.480 i just can't believe i'm talking to an adult right now you don't know what that means like

00:25:30.420 again that doesn't that doesn't do anything for me i don't know why you set this standard of

00:25:34.840 let's be polite let's be respectful i asked you to clarify your position and you're like oh

00:25:39.500 i just can't stand you like give me a break okay so what i mean is if you make a choice

00:25:47.220 are you responsible for that choice i'm asking you what that means so let's say that someone

00:25:53.000 smokes cigarettes if you make a choice that someone smokes cigarettes okay i'm gonna i'm

00:25:58.560 gonna answer now if you make the choice to get an abortion are you responsible for it yes or no

00:26:04.600 i don't know what you're asking me okay if you make the choice to go into stem are you

00:26:12.040 responsible for it yes or no i don't know what you're asking me okay you can change

00:26:17.080 x value in all your senses if you make it's gonna be okay so if you make the choice if you make the

00:26:22.760 choice to get a bunch of debt are you as an adult responsible for that choice i'll go ahead like in

00:26:33.540 terms of paying it off yeah are you responsible or is it your fault that you

00:26:38.220 signed up for the debt is it your fault that you signed up for the debt yes it's

00:26:43.920 a year fall I don't know what you mean by your fault obviously it was your

00:26:47.400 choice are you to take out loans or credit cards okay so you should be

00:26:52.260 responsible for it obviously you've agreed to the obligation of paying it

00:26:59.880 back sure okay so if you make the choice to get an abortion are you responsible for it

00:27:06.440 what what does that mean

00:27:08.800 if you make the choice to get married are you responsible for the choice are you responsible

00:27:16.540 you just keep asking all right crash out it's just crazy

00:27:21.600 okay i'm gonna go

00:27:28.220 i just never understood liberal this is not a crash out this is just your inability to

00:27:34.300 comprehend all right so we're gonna don't be rude so respond definition

00:27:39.920 having an obligation to do something or having control over or care for someone as part of one's

00:27:49.460 job or role so you're asking me if you get an abortion do you have a duty are you are you the

00:27:57.920 art art oh no oh no sorry i clicked something are you the primary cause of it like if we say

00:28:05.160 whose fault was this would you point to yourself as long as it wasn't great uh no i think it's

00:28:12.620 men's fault it's men's fault for getting you pregnant yeah okay so why do you think that is 0.97

00:28:20.260 did the men make the choice for you to bang to have sex or did you make the choice you made the 0.94

00:28:26.900 choice to have intercourse okay did you make the choice to take an abortion pill 0.59

00:28:33.160 yes okay so how is it the men's fault if you had an abortion

00:28:39.700 well because they're the cause of pregnancy how how like can you get pregnant without sperm 0.99

00:28:46.900 no so who puts the sperm in the uterus so i would say that during conception it's 50 50

00:28:57.080 as long as both parties consent well no like i can consent to sex but not consent

00:29:03.220 to him putting his sperm in my uterus if we're going to talk about obligations or duty to act 0.97

00:29:08.820 I would say it's men's duty. Did you choose the condom? To maintain control of their biological 0.98

00:29:13.860 material. Did you choose the condom, yes or no? Did you consent? Who got the choice to wear a

00:29:19.300 condom or not wear a condom? You or him? I mean, obviously both parties, but even if I choose not

00:29:25.900 to wear a condom, like obviously he still has the choice to like, you know, choose in a sock,

00:29:32.180 Who made the choice to get an IUD or not get an IUD?

00:29:36.400 You or him?

00:29:37.840 Well, I mean, again, is choice just dependent on desire, or is it also dependent?

00:29:43.900 I need a whose choice, him or you?

00:29:48.740 I don't want to make this more complicated than it has to be.

00:29:51.560 Well, of course you don't, because you don't want to.

00:29:53.440 Oh, there's the nagging again.

00:29:56.760 You or him?

00:29:59.280 You're just bad faith.

00:30:00.380 You or him?

00:30:01.160 I did not come into this in bad faith, actually.

00:30:05.420 You absolutely are in bad faith.

00:30:06.800 There's the nagging.

00:30:10.900 Okay, so whose choice was it to do the abortion?

00:30:17.360 Or, sorry, whose choice was it to get an IUD?

00:30:21.240 Who got the choice to go to the doctor and say,

00:30:24.100 stick this up me or don't?

00:30:26.980 Whose choice?

00:30:31.160 she can't do it huh i can't do what you can't say it you can't say anything's the women's fault 1.00

00:30:45.100 well i i think again you want to like consider this within a vacuum i think a lot of women 1.00

00:30:50.940 want to prevent pregnancy so if they have the means to get the uiud yes it's their choice 0.99

00:30:57.780 if they don't then obviously there's a totally fine way you did it okay so next yeah because

00:31:05.040 you actually nope nope nope all right so next well are you able to engage with that

00:31:12.380 all right so next next we're gonna keep going

00:31:17.380 so whose choice is it to take the birth control pill my the man's choice or the woman's choice

00:31:25.680 It's the same answer as the IUD.

00:31:27.200 I don't know why you think it would be different.

00:31:28.480 Okay.

00:31:29.240 Let's keep going.

00:31:30.320 Let's keep going. 0.78

00:31:31.280 So whose choice is it to consent to sex with a condom or without a condom?

00:31:36.100 That would be both parties.

00:31:37.980 Okay.

00:31:39.480 Who do you think statistically wants to not wear a condom? 0.97

00:31:42.060 We're going to keep going.

00:31:44.260 Who do you think doesn't want to wear a condom? 1.00

00:31:47.020 I would say both. 0.99

00:31:47.920 I think both parties love raw sex. 0.95

00:31:50.680 I think more than likely men don't want to wear condoms. 0.98

00:31:53.980 We're going to keep going.

00:31:56.340 So now we're going to go to the plan B.

00:31:59.920 Let's go to plan B.

00:32:01.120 Whose choice is it to take the plan B or not take the plan B?

00:32:06.920 Same answer as the IUD.

00:32:08.440 Okay.

00:32:08.900 So whose choice is it to have an abortion or not have an abortion? 0.92

00:32:14.480 Well, obviously women's. 0.99

00:32:16.380 Okay.

00:32:16.740 So now that we're going through and the women had all these choices and the men, I mean,

00:32:23.480 they had the condom and the pullout maybe. But I would say those are equally irresponsible men

00:32:30.260 on the women and the having the sex. Why do you think men are more responsible when women have 1.00

00:32:37.020 way more choice in this? Because again, the singular action that it takes to conceive is

00:32:45.220 that sperm needs to be in the uterus. And that is 100% within the control of men. 0.85

00:32:51.560 so because they get to choose whether to jizz in you or not really yeah like exactly because 0.60

00:33:02.120 the sperm just doesn't appear right okay but you have the choice to put a barrier to that

00:33:08.060 and it's still there right so do they so that's equal choice it's not equal choice we went through

00:33:13.600 it we went through it step by step the barrier is equal because the only barrier is a condom

00:33:19.120 Well, you could say it's equal.

00:33:21.000 I mean, men have...

00:33:21.740 You could say it's equal, but that doesn't mean it's true.

00:33:25.480 Okay.

00:33:26.100 What?

00:33:26.900 Well, all right.

00:33:28.040 So we're going to go into women being more likely to be in poverty. 0.97

00:33:31.220 I'm going to give my take, and then we can go back to yours.

00:33:34.420 I think that women are more likely to be in poverty because they spend too much money. 1.00

00:33:38.820 I think women have a tendency to spend more than we earn. 1.00

00:33:45.080 Part of this, you can see, is by our going to school and picking majors that do not benefit us.

00:33:52.940 We also make 80% of consumer buying decisions.

00:33:56.580 We own 80% of the world's debt.

00:33:59.380 What does the 80% of consumer buyer decisions have to do with anything?

00:34:03.080 Well, buying is spending money, is it not, Kenzie?

00:34:06.740 It's spending money, but it doesn't mean that you're accruing debt.

00:34:09.500 Okay. Well, I would say if we look at student debt, women owe them more. 1.00

00:34:14.320 Men have more credit card debt. Men have more mortgage debt.

00:34:17.140 Yeah, but women owe women. 1.00

00:34:18.620 The only debt that women outpace men in is student loan. 0.93

00:34:20.460 Right, but the difference is men pay back their debt and women don't. 1.00

00:34:24.780 They still have more debt.

00:34:26.460 Right.

00:34:26.900 And again, what's that source?

00:34:27.980 Right, but debt is not a problem if you can pay it back.

00:34:31.020 What is the source?

00:34:32.120 I can get you the source in the comments after, but it's really going to slow down.

00:34:36.280 No, I want it now.

00:34:37.000 Well, it's not your show. It's too bad.

00:34:39.500 here's my issue, Kenzie, and I'll let you go.

00:34:42.800 If we go through this and I have to bring up every source,

00:34:46.080 it's just we're not going to be able to have a conversation.

00:34:49.460 I can't, well, well, well, you can, I'm going to keep muting you.

00:34:53.120 I'm going to keep muting.

00:34:54.000 I know you have to keep muting.

00:34:55.420 Well, yeah.

00:34:56.820 If you just, well, she's going to keep going.

00:35:01.020 She's going to keep going.

00:35:01.840 We can do it.

00:35:02.520 We can do it after.

00:35:03.500 It's totally fine.

00:35:05.500 But it's just going to be a back and forth,

00:35:08.480 and I'm going into this in good faith,

00:35:11.760 I'm not assuming you're lying at every point.

00:35:15.500 Well, I am assuming.

00:35:16.420 Okay, well, well, well, well, that's fine.

00:35:21.200 But if you want to stay on the show,

00:35:24.840 if I go on to your show, it's totally fine.

00:35:26.720 If you want to stay on, we can do it after,

00:35:29.560 but we're not going to do this back and forth every single time.

00:35:32.360 So you can either abide or you can not.

00:35:34.500 If you want to opt out.

00:35:35.420 Well, I'm just going to say not opt.

00:35:37.080 Oh, sorry.

00:35:38.480 well she's interrupting again you done all right so i can just say not all right i can just say

00:35:45.920 the exact opposite nope okay well here's pleasant feminists are always so pleasant to work with 1.00

00:35:53.620 so really i would say my my main point is that women are not responsible and i would say it's

00:36:03.800 because they spend more money than they have and they want everybody else to pay for it

00:36:07.900 And I would say that women, if women wanted to be responsible and pay for their choices, 0.99

00:36:16.260 we should go into STEM.

00:36:18.300 But no matter what, even if I have a point A, point B, point C of why we are responsible

00:36:23.400 for our choices, we just, I don't know what it is, we just can't admit it.

00:36:30.460 Go ahead, Kenzie.

00:36:33.380 I'm ready.

00:36:34.380 Do you think a majority of teachers are women? 1.00

00:36:40.220 Yeah, the majority of teachers are women. 1.00

00:36:43.800 Okay.

00:36:44.200 Do you think that teachers are one of the low-paying industries?

00:36:51.860 Not really, no.

00:36:54.380 I think women have a tendency to complain about pay when usually they're overpaid instead of underpaid. 1.00

00:37:02.400 So I'll give you an example.

00:37:03.380 So in order for us to have crab, there's a guy that dies on a fishing boat in Alaska every single week.

00:37:11.360 And you never hear them complain about their work conditions.

00:37:16.960 But the people you hear complain about their work conditions are the women that get three months off in the summer. 1.00

00:37:24.600 So no, when you get three months off in the summer, I don't think you're underpaid.

00:37:30.820 I don't.

00:37:31.420 What is the average teacher salary?

00:37:33.380 off the top of my I know it varies state by state off the top of my head um I couldn't tell you it

00:37:41.540 depends on the state you're in but we can look it up if you really want to I'm sure you have it

00:37:45.700 right there so I I just think it's disingenuous to say that teachers are underpaid or a part of

00:37:50.540 a low-paying industry um I think we like to me that's just something that we can easily agree

00:37:56.020 upon and so if we're recognizing it's $72,000 I don't think that's bad that's the U.S. national

00:38:02.780 average so it depends like again when you talk about the state 72 000 in my state is not very

00:38:08.880 much 72 000 in california is not very much and again there can also be teachers who are paid as

00:38:15.660 little as 45 000 i would say that though i would say are you interrupting these rules for me and

00:38:21.720 chill out relax so the average logger makes 42 000 so i would say they're underpaid because

00:38:31.760 If they could die doing that, I understand

00:38:34.600 that you might not like the kids,

00:38:36.040 but they're not going to kill you.

00:38:37.320 Go ahead.

00:38:38.440 And that's just a whataboutism.

00:38:40.380 So we're talking about industries that are underpaid.

00:38:43.560 And if you want to recognize that teachers are underpaid

00:38:46.000 and just say, hey, women, go into STEM, 1.00

00:38:48.540 then we're not going to have teachers anymore.

00:38:50.960 Oh, no, whatever.

00:38:52.260 And is that an outcome that we want?

00:38:54.580 Whatever will we do?

00:38:56.000 Maybe the men will go back into it,

00:38:57.620 and education will flip around.

00:39:00.080 Well, no.

00:39:01.820 Why would men go into it if it's low paid? 0.93

00:39:04.640 They go into other necessary industries.

00:39:07.680 Loggers are low paid, and that's mostly men. 0.74

00:39:11.840 And that's one of the number one deaths in the United States.

00:39:17.540 Truckers is another one.

00:39:19.760 But here's the thing.

00:39:20.360 Men don't really complain about work conditions.

00:39:22.880 Men have awful work conditions where they actually die

00:39:26.580 or can get heavily injured on the job.

00:39:29.200 And they're not complaining.

00:39:33.780 And this is the thing.

00:39:35.040 Well, not that many die a year.

00:39:37.040 I think one is too many.

00:39:39.360 There's no teachers that are dying from teaching in general.

00:39:45.080 So, all right, you got to let me finish, Kenzie.

00:39:49.400 You can go, but you got to.

00:39:52.100 This is my show.

00:39:53.360 You don't get to go on someone else's show and over talk.

00:39:55.720 If you're not okay with that, you're welcome to bounce.

00:39:59.900 Well, there she goes again.

00:40:03.820 There she goes.

00:40:05.820 Okay, so I actually find it a little bit offensive.

00:40:11.100 Not that I'm actually offended, but I have thick skin, I can take it.

00:40:16.160 But I think it's ironic that teachers complain about their pay when they get off for three

00:40:21.600 months of the year.

00:40:23.320 there's a guy that dies from, you know, crab fishing on oil rigs, loggers. And what feminists 1.00

00:40:29.160 tend to do is you guys try to minimize it and say, well, but not that many men die. It's how dare

00:40:36.360 you? One is too many. And you're such a privileged class that you could say, oh, not that many men

00:40:42.480 die when you're sitting in an apartment or a house built by a man. When a lot of times many men's

00:40:48.820 lives are sacrificed to keep you safe

00:40:53.060 and having the amenities that you do.

00:40:56.720 Now you can go, Kenzie.

00:40:59.040 Good job.

00:41:02.960 So when we talk about workplace deaths,

00:41:05.300 I would just say that that's an outcome due to capitalism.

00:41:07.940 Because obviously, it's going to cost an employer more money

00:41:10.880 in order to implement safety measures.

00:41:13.240 And when it comes to crab boats, we're obviously

00:41:15.400 looking at poor working conditions,

00:41:17.480 which a lot of employers aren't going to care,

00:41:19.400 risking their employees well-being

00:41:21.080 because they still need to produce product

00:41:23.180 in order to gain profit.

00:41:24.840 So again, these are issues with capitalism.

00:41:28.420 My whole point with,

00:41:29.640 I don't think it's that many men that die a year

00:41:32.720 is that you made a contradiction and says it is.

00:41:38.300 It is many men who give their lives for capitalism.

00:41:41.160 Do you think sexual violence is an issue for men?

00:41:44.380 Now we're going to go to another thing.

00:41:46.940 So my point is not about capitalism.

00:41:51.620 That's kind of a whole different topic.

00:41:54.380 What I'm talking about is it's something called gratitude.

00:41:58.780 Yes, yes.

00:42:00.720 Where if men are building the society that you get to live in. 0.88

00:42:07.120 So this podcast, Mike, invented by a man.

00:42:10.880 The desk I'm sitting in, the wood was probably gathered by a man.

00:42:14.320 And there are men that die in order to keep you safe and protected.

00:42:19.840 And as a thank you, feminists in general, I can't say if you do this personally, but you guys, there's no gratitude. 1.00

00:42:30.200 You're constantly complaining about women's problems and minimizing men's.

00:42:36.500 So that would be my two cents.

00:42:39.780 Go ahead.

00:42:40.220 I don't think it's about minimizing the oppressions that men experience under capitalism

00:42:46.460 because those are but when we look at patriarchy in tandem with capitalism the reason that men are

00:42:52.520 within these positions is because of that combination of gender role because patriarchy 1.00

00:42:57.200 requires a dependency on men it's interesting that you highlight male contributions when it

00:43:03.220 comes to female contributions obviously that is care to children that is reproductive labor 1.00

00:43:08.000 without that there isn't society so i don't know why you act like men are responsible

00:43:14.780 for everything good in the world and that women just do nothing you minimize women's labor and 1.00

00:43:22.160 glorify yeah yeah i would i would actually and that's just misogyny well i would actually agree

00:43:27.160 with you and it's because women we just have a tendency to not be very good at it so like we

00:43:32.640 We can't, we can't, I need you to not, I need you to stop, you can do it.

00:43:37.760 So for example, you said that women are responsible for childcare and having kids.

00:43:46.700 We're not having kids and we're more likely to abuse infants, we're more likely to commit

00:43:51.160 an infanticide, we're more likely to abuse the elderly.

00:43:55.540 So the other thing I would say is you mentioned that it's because of gender roles, Kenzie, 0.99

00:44:01.520 Go apply to be on the oil rigs.

00:44:03.340 Go apply to be a logger.

00:44:05.380 You're not going to do it, and feminists in general won't do it, because you can't. 1.00

00:44:10.380 Or you're too lazy to.

00:44:11.560 Those are hard jobs.

00:44:12.560 So when women start doing the things that men are doing, I will stop minimizing them. 0.99

00:44:18.340 But what we do is we take the easy jobs and we still complain.

00:44:22.400 We still complain.

00:44:25.280 um so so no i think that's a unfair characterization um when you talk about

00:44:37.200 like child abuse and elderly abuse sure i can agree there's a higher volume for women because 1.00

00:44:41.960 women are more likely to be taking care of children let me guess it's not their fault 1.00

00:44:45.660 because they because they it's not their fault because they care for the elderly and the kids

00:44:52.680 more right is that where you're going with it i'll go ahead you know it's it are are you like

00:44:59.240 just fine are we rage baiting or is this just like oh there's the nagging she wants to say

00:45:05.560 do the show how i want you to do the show it's not a standard that i am setting gaslighting she's

00:45:13.880 She's going to gaslight.

00:45:20.520 There she goes.

00:45:29.320 There she goes.

00:45:30.260 You can unmute now.

00:45:31.360 Go ahead.

00:45:32.280 If you want, or stay.

00:45:34.100 For what, Pearl?

00:45:35.040 What's the point?

00:45:36.660 Well, if you follow the rules, don't worry.

00:45:41.220 It's not following the rules.

00:45:42.580 That's not what this is about.

00:45:43.880 flashlight where she goes I mean you set the parameters and you don't follow the

00:45:49.620 rules well let's let me ask you now she's gonna nag more okay so I want to 1.00

00:45:55.460 stick to the topic you can do it you're so grateful for okay and you think okay

00:46:00.640 you have she's gonna crash out where he's gonna crash out now she's gonna 0.89

00:46:04.760 crash out I knew it she wants to know where my kids are should I put them on

00:46:10.820 stream where's your i know i know i know yeah yeah let let me put my personal life on the internet

00:46:24.740 for all the nice feminists like you well it's a contradiction all right yeah i mean that's that's 1.00

00:46:32.020 totally fine you have centered career all right all right i know i know i'm i'm the worst whatever

00:46:38.420 that's not what I said I said you've centered career all right now we're

00:46:41.600 gonna go personal there she goes there she it's like I could call you a catfish 1.00

00:46:47.000 but I'm not gonna do that fine go ahead you know it's like all right so I want

00:46:52.160 to stick to the men okay do you agree so I want to I want to stick to male jobs 1.00

00:46:57.920 and female jobs no you don't know so I want yeah now she said I want to talk

00:47:03.680 ABOUT WHATEVER I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I WANT TO QUESTION YOUR LIFE.

00:47:10.440 SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE JOBS THAT I HAVE LISTED FOR MEN VERSUS WOMEN.

00:47:21.920 SO ALL RIGHT. SO HERE WE GO. TOP MALE PROFESSIONS, ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS, AIRCRAFT PILOTS, AGRICULTURE, 1.00

00:47:33.580 construction, firefighting, manufacturing.

00:47:37.900 We wouldn't have houses, 98% of carpenters are male,

00:47:41.180 95% of truck drivers are male.

00:47:43.880 Aerospace engineers, male.

00:47:47.120 Farmers, 87% male.

00:47:49.400 Zero Nobel prizes have been awarded to all female team.

00:47:54.040 We're not really invented too well.

00:47:56.620 Female, now you could say, you could come in and say, 0.99

00:47:59.280 women, what are we doing to contribute to society? 1.00

00:48:02.260 do so much we were just held back I'm sure that's what you think I mean it's

00:48:06.660 like women we can't even put the donut down to not be fat and we're saying that 0.96

00:48:10.420 we can be aerospace engineers I don't think so we got nurses school

00:48:16.840 psychologists social workers occupational therapists a medical record

00:48:21.880 specialist assistants floral designers I just can't say that that's as important

00:48:28.700 or needed as, I don't know, the buildings we're in.

00:48:37.420 Like, we wouldn't even have food

00:48:38.780 if the truck drivers didn't bring it to us, the farmers.

00:48:43.080 I mean, they create 80% of the world's stuff,

00:48:46.200 75% of the world's food.

00:48:49.140 So, yeah.

00:48:54.800 I would say that...

00:48:57.160 I'm sorry, is there a question here?

00:48:58.240 I would say that men's jobs are more important than women's because we could not have a society 1.00

00:49:04.800 without women's jobs. So if women started doing 50... I agree, we couldn't have a society without 1.00

00:49:10.220 women's jobs. Oh, sorry, men's misspoke. But if women wanted to do 50% of the carpentry, 1.00

00:49:16.720 then I wouldn't have to, you know, if we did 50% of the construction, I wouldn't really have a

00:49:22.140 problem with them. I wouldn't really... Women's participation in construction has gone up 22% 1.00

00:49:27.520 in the last 10 years and it's still barely anybody like this is what they do this is what they do

00:49:34.000 they say we went up from two percent to ten percent look at what we're doing i'm like uh

00:49:39.280 22 percent yeah okay there this is the gaslighting we're just gonna gaslight even further what is

00:49:45.440 gaslighting pearl it's just gonna and this is the other tactic that they do is they make you define

00:49:52.240 every word to derail the conversation they can't they can't they can't have a

00:49:57.120 normal convert they can't have a normal converse you know as an adult I just 1.00

00:50:02.000 assume that you can understand basic English to some extent I I just I just

00:50:07.360 assume that you know me and you can have a conversation as adults we've spoken

00:50:12.940 this language for 20 years and then what the feminists come in and do is they 1.00

00:50:19.020 define this, define that, define that, and it's just a derail to conversation, and then

00:50:26.580 they crash out, and they crash out, but if you want to have a normal conversation, you're

00:50:38.880 welcome to come back, you know.

00:50:42.120 What's a normal conversation?

00:50:43.680 I don't know.

00:50:44.720 I can't believe as an adult we have to decide what a normal conversation is.

00:50:49.020 What I tried to have with you, Kenzie.

00:50:54.200 You know, they can't take not being in control.

00:50:57.820 They can't take.

00:50:58.120 Constantly is not a normal conversation.

00:51:02.420 I know, but it's how I wish conversation would go

00:51:05.300 because we tend to be so insufferable to have conversations with

00:51:09.080 that nobody ever calls us out on it.

00:51:14.420 There's the crash out.

00:51:15.720 there's the crash out

00:51:19.920 all right I'll let you go a little bit but please don't ask me any definitions because it's really

00:51:29.180 just going to derail everything snide remarks I'll also mute you just you know be nice you can do it

00:51:36.800 I believe in you I don't know what I've said that you would consider is mean to you all right gas

00:51:44.040 lighting i didn't say mean didn't say me i just want you to stick to the topic the men versus

00:51:51.400 women's jobs you can do it girl you said you can do it go ahead go ahead why do you say go ahead 1.00

00:52:02.340 and then mute me well because i just i want you to talk normally and i just you guys i am talking

00:52:08.300 normally so the reason that i ask you to define words is because you're using them incorrectly

00:52:12.240 Okay, then this is how women, this is another tactic. 1.00

00:52:17.020 This is another manipulation tactic.

00:52:20.520 So what women do is they change the definitions of words to confuse you. 1.00

00:52:26.340 I haven't even given a definition of anything.

00:52:30.460 How can I change the definition if I haven't given one?

00:52:33.360 That's gaslighting.

00:52:34.580 All right, all right.

00:52:34.980 So can we stick to the male versus female jobs? 1.00

00:52:38.100 Patrol says, whoops, I did it again.

00:52:40.020 And I don't know what that means.

00:52:42.440 But thank you for the $100 super show.

00:52:43.960 I mean, you're coping hard here, Pearl.

00:52:45.280 I don't know what the benefit of the.

00:52:47.080 All right.

00:52:47.460 So we're going to go to the men versus women's jobs. 0.99

00:52:52.060 Men versus women's jobs. 1.00

00:52:55.960 Go ahead.

00:52:58.140 Go ahead with what?

00:53:00.700 Men versus women's jobs. 1.00

00:53:03.440 What does that mean?

00:53:04.300 All right.

00:53:04.520 So if men.

00:53:05.260 What are you going to talk about, Pearl?

00:53:05.780 If men make 80% of the world's stuff and 70% of the food supply and women work less hours, why do they deserve equal pay? 0.99

00:53:17.820 Because there's labor that they do that is benefit to society.

00:53:21.720 Again, when we talk about, like, industries, I think we need to recognize that under capitalism, pay is not determined on necessity.

00:53:30.520 It's determined based on profit, which is why I was trying to highlight that teachers are a necessary person for society if we want an educated new generation of workers.

00:53:43.920 I would agree with you if they were doing a good job, but there's kids graduating.

00:53:48.540 I'm from Chicago, and they're graduating in the city of Chicago, and they can't read.

00:53:52.720 So the issue is—

00:53:53.740 Right, that's because of capitalism, because of underfunded schools and underpaid teachers.

00:53:58.300 I know, but you're doing it again.

00:54:00.540 So every time women don't meet a burden of performance, 1.00

00:54:03.900 so every time women don't do something well, 1.00

00:54:06.740 and I would say if a kid is graduating high school and they can't read,

00:54:11.380 somebody in the administration, the teachers, failed them.

00:54:17.500 And every time it's the women failing, you blame the system instead of the women. 1.00

00:54:21.420 It's never the women's fault.

00:54:22.560 Right, because if they don't have access to the appropriate resources,

00:54:26.200 they have too high of class loads,

00:54:27.700 then we don't give them the tools to perform with excellence then of course

00:54:31.860 we're not going to have good results well i don't know how imagine if i criticized how men build

00:54:36.400 houses if we didn't give them hammers well i wouldn't say it's really the same i wouldn't

00:54:41.400 say it's the same thing because now we have teachers and teachers assistants uh you know

00:54:47.020 and we don't yeah maybe in college no it's pretty common in high schools now

00:54:52.000 pretty common in the it's pretty common still that that doesn't account for classrooms being

00:54:58.440 having too many children in them them being underfunded yeah so again i'm being pushed

00:55:03.320 through the system to graduate so that they can enter into capitalism to replace the labor force

00:55:08.180 right but the majority of principals now are women the majority so who's again the majority

00:55:14.680 of people in legislative government are men and this is and that's really not true i mean

00:55:21.640 in the city of chicago hold on let me look this up city of chicago chicago uh cost

00:55:32.920 pays what per kid i can't remember do you think the police perform well per capita

00:55:38.040 I don't have an opinion on that.

00:55:42.620 Well, how can you have an opinion that women are failing within their predominant industry of teaching, 1.00

00:55:48.340 but not have an opinion of police, which is obviously a male-dominated industry?

00:55:52.940 A majority of crime is not solved.

00:55:56.900 Well, if it's not solved.

00:55:58.880 So is that men's underperformance?

00:56:02.680 If that's true, I would say yeah.

00:56:05.140 great then then why is that not a critique like if you're going to have these critiques that women 1.00

00:56:10.760 underperform in their industry and men don't well i would think you would be aware of all

00:56:15.020 i would i would say when men do underperform um i mean there was riots about men's underperforming

00:56:22.120 the world lets men know when they underperform it wasn't due to underperformance it was due to

00:56:28.160 violence to police brutality like come on that's true that's true but that's them not doing their

00:56:36.400 job over performance of anything well but the world lets men know when they're underperforming

00:56:43.540 but when you know well when when when i don't want to mute you again but if you keep cutting

00:56:49.540 me off i'm gonna have to i do it i gotta do it but when when men um when women underperform it's 0.94

00:56:58.940 always society's fault and what i'm asking you know i just want the same energy that you guys

00:57:04.400 have for men for women you guys have no problems i'll tell you you said you just reduce you just 0.97

00:57:11.700 blame it on gender rather than systems that's the difference well if our gender performed better i 0.60

00:57:19.220 wouldn't have to but you don't recognize that it's the system not the individual I don't think it's

00:57:27.560 the system I think it is I know you don't because you don't read okay well if you are what reading

00:57:34.940 produces then I guess I'll read more yeah education I mean I know you've got a grift

00:57:39.620 So, you know, there's nothing.

00:57:41.680 All right, that was rude.

00:57:42.740 Now you get muted.

00:57:47.060 You know.

00:57:48.620 All right, Chicago cost per, okay, Chicago.

00:57:54.400 Is it cost per pupil?

00:57:57.140 I can't remember the stat.

00:57:58.360 I've looked this up before.

00:58:00.220 Spending per student.

00:58:01.640 Yeah, they get $20,000 per student.

00:58:04.640 That's a lot in Chicago public schools.

00:58:06.760 and there are still students that can't read 20k my private school was less than half of that in

00:58:15.440 high school we performed better than the public schools that had double the funding I don't think

00:58:20.120 it's a funding issue I think it's a the challenge you get is where your private school teachers

00:58:30.480 women some of them some not a majority no actually we had a mostly male administration

00:58:38.280 I think it's not administration or teachers no teachers I would say like it was about half and

00:58:44.400 half no you asked see why you gotta see well I want to see if you're honest and I don't think

00:58:51.340 you are well you could look into it if you want but sure this is why like the anecdote like I

00:58:59.000 don't even know if what you're saying about your private school is true okay well this is good

00:59:04.600 faith versus bad faith you are very bad faith pearl all right there she goes 20 don't you think

00:59:12.060 twenty thousand dollars is a lot per student you know what would be enough money where like if they

00:59:17.800 increased it in chicago where they would increase it to say twenty five thousand dollars a student

00:59:23.220 would you then

00:59:26.060 In Chicago? I have no idea.

00:59:27.780 Okay, but at what point

00:59:29.980 I'm asking at what point is it the women's

00:59:32.080 fault for failing at a job?

00:59:34.000 Is it ever their fault?

00:59:36.200 You would need to show me causation, Pearl.

00:59:38.620 Oh, there we go.

00:59:41.780 There she goes.

00:59:44.080 There has been

00:59:45.160 a 50% rise

00:59:47.080 in spending for education

00:59:49.320 between 2018 and 2022

00:59:51.260 do academics. Well, yeah, we also went through a pandemic and experienced inflation. Okay, now

00:59:57.880 it's the pandemic's fault that kids can't read. Well, pandemic caused inflation, Pearl. It would

01:00:02.600 make sense that. Okay, there she goes. Okay. All right, so I would say, sorry, this last one,

01:00:17.060 And I actually shouldn't have unmuted you.

01:00:18.520 That was my bad.

01:00:19.840 So this, I would say my main point, though,

01:00:23.440 is that when men make a mistake, they are criticized.

01:00:27.000 Men are criticized all the time.

01:00:29.280 But when women make a mistake or fail at their job, 1.00

01:00:31.780 it's just never their fault.

01:00:35.840 I just disagree.

01:00:38.080 OK.

01:00:44.020 What are the other topics you're going to go through?

01:00:47.060 What's your view on marriage?

01:00:48.480 Are you pro-marriage or anti-marriage or indifferent?

01:00:51.440 Do you think it's a good thing?

01:00:52.220 I mean, it depends how we're conceptualizing marriage here,

01:00:54.940 but I know you don't want to talk definitions or what concepts are,

01:00:58.360 so I'm not sure.

01:01:01.060 Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing?

01:01:03.940 I mean, it's hard to know what you're asking me

01:01:06.140 because, like, are we talking about marriage as, like,

01:01:09.300 a legal contract with the state?

01:01:12.460 Are we talking marriage as a theological commitment?

01:01:16.380 Sure.

01:01:16.480 we talking like what are we talking about marriage sure why don't we do the state marriage what do

01:01:22.560 you think of that so I think there is benefit to entering in a contract with marriage depending on

01:01:30.300 what your goals are obviously there can be tax breaks which can benefit you economically you can

01:01:37.140 have access to your spouse's health care which can also benefit you not only in health but

01:01:42.840 psychologically as well as economically and then also you are have more protections when it comes

01:01:49.900 to the acquisition of capital during the union okay do you think it's a net positive overall

01:01:56.180 again it would depend on the metrics okay and it would be context dependent do you agree that

01:02:03.160 as long as there's no abuse that custody should be 50 ideally would be 50 50 i think it should

01:02:10.560 just be agreed based on what the parties can come up with right but off the bat 50 50 well if one

01:02:19.200 parent doesn't want the child yeah fine no I don't think they should be forced if they don't want it

01:02:24.500 fine but I'm saying off the bat 50 50 if that's what the parent parental unit wants yes I would

01:02:30.960 think that would be great okay so my opinion is that while there are some benefits like the ones

01:02:36.900 you listed. I don't think those are necessarily bad things. I would say that it is a bad deal

01:02:43.660 for men because they're more than likely going to lose custody of their kids if there's a

01:02:48.980 divorce. The average divorce is $20,000. And there's very few benefits that outweigh that

01:02:56.360 risk of losing. So 90% of child custody is decided outside of court. So if men are not

01:03:05.020 having possession of their children it's because they don't want it no so that's often what

01:03:10.500 feminists say um but the challenge is a lot of men are advised not to fight for custody because

01:03:15.600 they don't have the means if you're an average and we and we talked about people that are living

01:03:19.660 paycheck to paycheck or um you know middle lower class guys they don't have 20k to spend fighting

01:03:25.680 for custody and sometimes it's a lot i mean if they have a lawyer and sometimes it's a lot just

01:03:30.540 way you can go and sometimes it's a lot more than that um so i would attribute that to men

01:03:37.240 not wanting to um and they also know that the majority of the time um they're not going to win

01:03:44.680 so a lot of lawyers if they don't think their case is a sure thing they advise them to fight

01:03:50.840 against it? So it's not feminists that say 90% of child custody cases are decided outside of 1.00

01:04:01.520 court. That's the American Bar Association. Again, I said the argument feminists said 1.00

01:04:09.220 is that they don't want custody. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll let you go. Because the decision is

01:04:14.700 made outside of court, which means that both parties agree. And if we can acknowledge that

01:04:20.300 men have more access to capital than women do I would say that men are more advantaged when it 0.99

01:04:25.800 comes to having a lawyer now of the men that of cases that are contested about um four percent

01:04:34.820 four four or six percent I want to say it's six percent six percent go to mediation and then only

01:04:40.400 four percent are decided in front of a judge and of the four percent that is decided in front of

01:04:45.280 a judge men are awarded what they want 65% of the time right but what I said was that in the

01:04:51.860 beginning so when the men you what happens is you schedule a consult with the lawyers

01:04:56.220 and that's that's not that's that okay wait Jesus wait wait so what happens in a lot of those

01:05:07.620 meetings is that they are advised to not fight because the odds are just not in their favor

01:05:14.360 so you could say they don't fight but when a guy's making you know forty two thousand dollars a year

01:05:23.440 as a logger uh he doesn't have twenty thousand dollars to fight in court when a lot of the times

01:05:28.780 he may be on child support he may be kicked out of his house um or you know um you know and he's

01:05:38.820 going through a deeply like emotional time so a lot of times they yeah they're advised to not do

01:05:46.080 it I just don't see any evidence of that you can file a divorce without a lawyer you you can file

01:05:55.740 but if you're going to take the case to court you'll usually do a consult right and so why would

01:06:02.160 you take the case to court okay so if you know your wife is going to fight you for custody of 1.00

01:06:08.540 your kids and you know if you spend $30,000 $20,000 $30,000 $40,000 which is a lot of money

01:06:14.960 you'd agree right yeah so most men don't want to take their life savings for a 50-50 chance of

01:06:24.540 custody right but you're just assuming that most women want to take custody from their exes well 1.00

01:06:32.280 which i would just say is not true all i can like it benefits women who are going to be single

01:06:37.560 uh to share custody because then they have access to additional child care yeah you could say that

01:06:43.400 but the issue is a lot of child support is based on how off how much custody the woman has so it 1.00

01:06:50.200 gives her an incentive to fight for more custody to get more money it doesn't you are you are going 0.64

01:06:55.080 no that's it taking child support will pay you less than working a wage job i understand um that

01:07:03.800 they could move the numbers to maybe go like that but child support child support is getting paid

01:07:11.400 to do nothing is getting child support is getting is okay we're gonna we're gonna wait we're gonna

01:07:17.640 to wait. You can do it. You can do it. So essentially, that would be my take is that

01:07:27.520 generally speaking, men are advised to not fight for custody because the odds just are not in

01:07:35.400 their favor. When you look at alimony payments, 90% are men to women. The majority of child

01:07:42.400 support is men to women. I understand you're probably going to try to minimize that

01:07:46.980 in some way but the truth of the matter is the majority of the time if there's child support

01:07:52.980 or alimony in custody women get all of it so go ahead so um again i would just argue that child 1.00

01:08:03.320 support is a way to keep women in poverty because if like it's interesting to me that you minimize

01:08:09.740 women's care for children and just say they're doing nothing they are providing care for children 1.00

01:08:14.340 if a man had to outsource that to a daycare, he would be paying way more to the daycare center

01:08:20.880 than he would to the other parent. So that's why it's in men's benefits to just pay child support

01:08:27.080 because they're getting a discount on daycare. When it comes to alimony, again, a majority of

01:08:32.100 men pay alimony because they have more access to capital and only 10% of divorces end in alimony.

01:08:38.320 so that's not the majority experience right but even a 10 chance is more than I would personally

01:08:45.940 want to take if I was if I was a guy I don't I don't want to I don't I don't want to pay you

01:08:51.720 I don't want to pay you if I was a guy I would just would not even want a 10 chance of being

01:08:57.220 on alimony I just why would I take that extra risk I would say alimony is a valid payment of

01:09:04.740 um essentially what you've invested in the relationship in order to get access to alimony

01:09:10.740 it has to be a long-term relationship unless it was decided within a prenup now if let's just say

01:09:17.140 to give you a hypothetical if a housewife stayed home for 15 years and took care of children

01:09:24.500 and within that 15 years her partner was able to climb the corporate ladder and get access to a

01:09:33.040 high earning salary how is she not entitled to the benefits of her labor um that sounds to me 1.00

01:09:41.340 like a lack of gratitude she was allowed to stay home for 15 years most people do not get to do

01:09:48.240 that so i i would she was doing i would actually say thank you for allowing me to stay home and

01:09:55.120 raise the kids and not be entitled to more. That is labor. But see, most, I think that raising

01:10:03.780 kids would be a privilege. Most men would look at that as a privilege to be home and stay with

01:10:08.440 their kids. But for some reason, women feel entitled to it. And, you know, again, it goes 1.00

01:10:15.520 back to being an adult. You don't have to have kids in this society, which is fine. And if you

01:10:22.060 make that choice I think that you should be prepared to take the

01:10:26.980 consequences of it and part of it is being out of the workforce for a little

01:10:31.780 bit if you choose to do that or you can do daycare that's another route you could

01:10:38.340 do so right so so now you've made contradictions within a lot of your

01:10:45.580 statements because of oh I'm telling you um because like if we look at a business and let's

01:10:52.400 just say that there was a partnership in a business and that one person was not taking a

01:10:57.680 salary but they were doing all the administrative work within the business but they were partners

01:11:02.760 50 50 don't you think then that they're both entitled to the profits of that business no I

01:11:08.980 I don't. I don't think administration is as important as running a company.

01:11:17.880 Well, that's what CEOs do, is administrative work.

01:11:21.280 No, it's not.

01:11:23.240 Yeah, it is. I mean, if we're...

01:11:26.780 Oh, that's just not true. Sorry, that is just not true.

01:11:32.180 Okay, so I would say that the woman got free rent, free food, and free ability to... 1.00

01:11:38.140 It's not free, Pearl.

01:11:41.920 Does taking care of children have economic value?

01:11:46.120 It has value for your kids.

01:11:48.320 What is it?

01:11:48.760 Does it have economic value?

01:11:50.160 Oh, my gosh.

01:11:52.100 You get free rent, free food, and you can do hobbies in your free time.

01:11:58.760 You know, what is it?

01:12:00.440 Like, it's just a lack of gratitude.

01:12:01.960 Men who are a wage earner and women who stay home, typically men have more leisure time.

01:12:10.400 Well, they can make a study that says anything these days.

01:12:16.080 Well, that's the Labor Bureau of Statistics.

01:12:18.720 Well, again, they can make a study that says anything. 0.99

01:12:22.020 I mean, you're just going to talk out of your ass, and then when I get a study, they're going to be like, oh, they can just say anything. 0.98

01:12:28.780 Well, I would just say I kind of look at tendencies of men and women, and men tend to – women tend to over-exaggerate what they do, and men tend to under-exaggerate. 0.99

01:12:39.360 Based on what?

01:12:40.820 My eyes, experience, my ears, this conversation.

01:12:46.340 Yeah, it's just your bias, Pearl.

01:12:47.760 You just value men's labor, and you don't value women's labor, and that's due to misogyny. 0.99

01:12:52.380 I would say it's due to women's output, which is less than men's. 1.00

01:12:57.780 do you want women to have children uh not if they don't want children do you want women to 1.00

01:13:04.660 have children is that something when like you want to see within society i want women 1.00

01:13:10.020 i want women that want to have children to have children and women that don't want to have 1.00

01:13:15.580 children to me too yeah i agree me too so so you think it is essential within society to have

01:13:21.140 children, correct? The challenge now is we have an older welfare state, so they don't really know 1.00

01:13:28.960 how people are going to pay for these old people, but I don't think that's young people's problem,

01:13:34.280 to be honest. Well, if we don't have children, we can't replace the workforce, right? That is going 0.92

01:13:40.320 to be a problem, but I still on an individual level would say that women that want children, 1.00

01:13:45.840 I would encourage them to have them. If they don't, then I wouldn't. I have seen some pretty

01:13:51.340 bad moms in my day, so. Sure, sure. So, I'm just, so this is, again, the issue that I have when we

01:13:58.300 don't talk about oughts, because if we're going to say, like, how society ought to be structured

01:14:03.820 and what the best function is, then we need to recognize that things are essential. You do say

01:14:08.420 the ought, that it is essential that we have housing, and bravo men for making housing,

01:14:13.560 But you don't recognize that it's essential that we provide care to people, elderly, health care, and children, and that women shoulder the burden, majority of these things.

01:14:25.000 You minimize that effect and label it as it should be a labor of love.

01:14:30.600 Who cares that you're not paid, but men are paid for their labor? 1.00

01:14:35.820 I would say that men are underpaid for their labor and women are overpaid.

01:14:40.860 and the reason yeah so the reason i think this is doesn't make any sense because you just add

01:14:48.400 okay wait wait you can wait you can wait so the reason i think this is because men make

01:14:55.340 80 of the world's stuff 70 of the food supply while there is other stuff that is important

01:15:02.460 in society that is the most important because none of the other industries

01:15:07.080 would exist without them um there's no there's well wait this is not an ought statement um this

01:15:17.180 is an is because men are currently making all of our stuff and our food supply that's that ought 1.00

01:15:23.840 that is and i would say that is more useful um than the jobs that we listed because society

01:15:32.920 would fall apart without it um i forgot the last thing you said i forgot i think you had one more 0.55

01:15:40.200 statement i was going to respond to but i forgot makes people that's you need an egg and a sperm 1.00

01:15:47.400 as you said earlier so i would say men and women well make that that's what you need in order to

01:15:52.280 create conception but in order to actually create a person there has to be reproductive labor right 1.00

01:15:57.560 Right, which is typically done by women. 1.00

01:15:59.160 That you can't have without sperm.

01:16:03.940 And women are not doing a good job doing that, if we're going to be honest. 1.00

01:16:07.920 Women are not having kids. 1.00

01:16:09.860 So I don't...

01:16:11.920 Why are women not... 1.00

01:16:12.680 Wait, wait.

01:16:13.360 Wait, wait, wait.

01:16:14.860 I'm answering.

01:16:15.900 I'm answering.

01:16:16.460 There you go.

01:16:16.880 So I would say that women aren't having kids, so we're not really doing that. 0.97

01:16:25.380 In terms of raising kids, I would say that the majority of neglect and child abuse is done by women. 1.00

01:16:36.120 Single father homes have similar outcomes to two parent homes where single mother homes create criminals and a lot of the world's problems. 1.00

01:16:46.320 So if women were better at raising kids, I would say that, but we're just not doing too good of a job. 1.00

01:16:55.380 oh sorry why why don't women want to have kids i forgot you asked me that um i don't know it's 0.66

01:17:03.660 not really my business i mean there's a plethora of reasons go ahead so the statistic you cited

01:17:13.340 that single mothers are producing criminals is incorrect and what percent what what percent

01:17:19.760 What percent of criminals come from single mother homes?

01:17:29.980 I think it's like 90%.

01:17:31.760 I want to double check.

01:17:37.500 Adolescents.

01:17:38.380 70% of juveniles come from single mother homes.

01:17:46.000 20 times the average.

01:17:47.820 It's single parents, not single mother.

01:17:50.120 No, single father homes produce similar outcomes.

01:17:53.140 No, the source comes from the Justice Department.

01:17:57.080 It was a source released in the 90s that talked about juvenile delinquents.

01:18:01.800 And I think it was something like actually 60%, not 70, 60% came from single parent homes.

01:18:09.320 Which are majority.

01:18:10.360 And it was actually 50-50 that came from single mother and single father.

01:18:15.400 No, single-father homes have similar outcomes.

01:18:19.360 What's the source?

01:18:20.780 I'll get it for you in a second.

01:18:25.340 Single-father homes. 0.59

01:18:28.840 All right, let me...

01:18:33.160 I mean, even if I just go to AI, it says you're wrong.

01:18:36.740 Well... 1.00

01:18:38.880 See, this is why I feel that sources are necessary, because you just talk out of your ass. 1.00

01:18:43.220 I do not talk out of my ass, but hold on. 1.00

01:18:46.340 I'll get it for you. 1.00

01:18:47.820 Just give me a second.

01:18:48.840 It's like, hold on one second.

01:18:58.140 One second.

01:19:01.540 So the other thing, I'll bring it.

01:19:04.140 Just give me a second.

01:19:05.100 They're getting it for me.

01:19:07.100 All right.

01:19:07.620 So the other thing I was going to go on.

01:19:12.320 what do you think about

01:19:23.300 I was actually going to ask you this as a feminist 1.00

01:19:25.140 what do you think about the lack of men's shelters

01:19:28.060 in the United States

01:19:29.100 even though men are 70% of the homeless

01:19:31.220 would you be for pushing more men's shelters

01:19:35.860 I think when we look at shelters

01:19:40.200 we're talking primarily about DV shelters because men do have access to shelters when it comes to

01:19:45.660 being unhoused sorry say that one more time I think when we're talking about shelters that

01:19:51.920 are gendered those are DV shelters yes because when men are unhoused they do have access to

01:19:57.060 shelters but DV shelters are specifically geared towards women because women are more likely to die 0.97

01:20:02.900 in DB situations.

01:20:05.660 OK, but would you be for equal 50-50 women having the men 0.99

01:20:11.180 having domestic violence shelters too?

01:20:13.300 Because still one of them.

01:20:14.120 I just don't think there's a need for men, 0.99

01:20:15.960 because if men experience domestic violence,

01:20:18.180 they aren't unalived by it.

01:20:20.000 That's why women need domestic violence shelters. 1.00

01:20:22.020 Yeah, but you don't think they still should have support?

01:20:25.940 No?

01:20:26.320 I'm saying there's no utility in it.

01:20:28.420 I think they should, obviously, have support.

01:20:31.980 But again, I think shelters are an effect of capitalism

01:20:36.260 because we manufacture scarcity when it comes to housing.

01:20:41.100 What about gender roles? 0.80

01:20:42.380 What do you think of that?

01:20:44.540 In what capacity?

01:20:46.540 That was one of the topics you brought up.

01:20:48.300 So I was curious what your thoughts were.

01:20:50.240 Right.

01:20:50.740 In what capacity do you want to talk about it?

01:20:54.160 That was one of the topics you brought up.

01:20:55.980 So you were the one who wanted to talk about it.

01:20:59.460 So the floor is yours.

01:21:01.880 i'm sorry what'd you say the floor is yours you said i don't know what you want to talk

01:21:09.240 about in terms of gender roles that was one of the topics you brought up 0.89

01:21:13.960 okay i i think uh gender roles ultimately don't serve any utility at uphold patriarchy

01:21:22.440 say that one more time i ultimately think that typically gender roles do not

01:21:27.880 serve utility and uphold patriarchy okay can you tell me what that means in like layman's terms

01:21:36.200 so if i do the dishes that i don't think there's a function for gender roles 0.99

01:21:41.480 and i think they uphold male supremacy and domination by like doing the dishes or what

01:21:48.600 um so if we're going to talk about labor within the households uh we can view like feminized 0.92

01:21:53.560 labor is typically labor that is daily and and requires more time investment like doing the

01:21:59.240 dishes doing the laundry grocery shopping meal planning those are constant tasks and require

01:22:06.280 a lot of investment where if we look at tasks that are more masculinized this is like repairs

01:22:12.680 around the house car repair and lawn care which is sporadic and seasonal so women have more 0.56

01:22:19.560 obligation when it comes to the labor provided within the home yeah I think

01:22:26.520 that lawn care is harder than doing the dishes and they kind of automate a lot

01:22:30.960 of in the lawns really and okay well I would say it's easier to do the

01:22:37.080 dishwasher personally they've automated a lot of our stuff with Roombas I think

01:22:43.620 it's kind of silly to say that it upholds patriarchy so that would be my

01:22:48.960 two cents well that's just one aspect of it but yes it puts women to providing more labor 1.00

01:22:57.120 than men within the domestic households which is one of the benefits and reasons i think men 1.00

01:23:02.740 want to get married is because they have access to a domestic slave sorry 1.00

01:23:07.740 god why do you think so little of men that's just a crazy thing to say because i'm not impressed by

01:23:17.620 men like what what do you mean no it's just i don't know why i would think highly of my oppressor

01:23:25.620 did something happen to you like what like what did men do i don't know did something happen to 1.00

01:23:30.740 you pearl where you you're up their ass no it's just you just have such a vitriol towards men 0.99

01:23:37.300 and i don't really get it because it's just kind of would you say that it's valid for 0.99

01:23:42.580 jewish people to have vitriol the nazis 1.00

01:23:47.460 you think that men are the equivalent of nazi i'm asking you is that a yes or a no 0.97

01:23:52.900 i want to ask do you think men are the equivalent of nazis oh my god 0.94

01:24:06.500 hold on one second answer my question 0.99

01:24:10.100 sorry i just think it's a stupid question well answer it i don't have to

01:24:17.200 then i'm not going to answer yours what's the point all right 0.99

01:24:21.440 why is it a stupid question oh my god it just never ends well pearl if you're going to say 0.99

01:24:31.080 things i don't know nagging all right um 1.00

01:24:36.600 oh my gosh

01:24:48.980 I'm gonna get you guys the stat

01:24:52.460 give me a second

01:24:53.440 give me a second

01:24:54.500 I just sorry

01:25:04.360 The equivalent of men to Hitler is just, I would not say,

01:25:10.900 I would say that's a false equivalency.

01:25:13.420 I don't really think that's the same.

01:25:16.100 How is it a false equivalency?

01:25:18.900 Oh, my God.

01:25:20.440 This is what they do.

01:25:21.600 They just ask you to do.

01:25:24.680 All right, hold on.

01:25:32.360 Hold on.

01:25:34.360 Thank you.

01:26:04.360 it's interesting you think men should get married when you compare them to hitler 0.99

01:26:25.960 sorry still waiting on the false equivalency

01:26:32.400 would you like me to clarify sure go ahead uh would you say that um nazis were oppressors

01:26:43.980 all right i'm gonna yeah probably probably okay would you say that the jew that jewish

01:26:54.440 people were the oppressed probably okay so so that's the analogy that i'm making yeah is that

01:27:02.180 men are the oppressors and women are the oppressed what so if in one case it's okay for the oppressed

01:27:09.080 for the oppressed persons to have vitriol towards the people that are oppressing them

01:27:14.400 why is it okay in one context and not in another what more do you want men to do for you

01:27:20.060 stop oppressing us okay so how are they like just can we do day-to-day examples so if i wake up

01:27:27.320 how am i oppressed by men uh like this we went over this within the uh like intro to your show

01:27:38.120 okay uh sexual violence is gender-based violence towards women um you name any system under

01:27:44.740 capitalism there are disproportionate outcomes for women okay but whether that's the job market 1.00

01:27:50.020 whether that is housing whether that is health care okay is there anything stopping me from

01:27:54.420 going to the police if i if i get assaulted uh yeah okay your safety your safety number one

01:28:04.580 and number two i'm sorry i don't know why i went on what is what would what would stop it

01:28:09.860 it your your safety as well as the how am i not wait no no i need to i need to break it down

01:28:16.980 how am i not safe by going to the police and reporting a crime because if they don't arrest

01:28:24.020 your assailant your assailant can harm you again because you've pissed them off even if they go

01:28:30.180 like let's say it's a domestic violence situation and let's say the police go and arrest him he makes

01:28:36.260 bail he can go back to your house and now you've just pissed him off okay let's say that they come

01:28:42.500 to the house and they don't arrest him okay now you've also pissed him off okay but they also

01:28:48.420 could arrest him too if you have the evidence right okay right but i also said he can be he

01:28:55.140 could be processed and then he could be bailed out and he would still what is stopping me from

01:29:00.340 studying STEM and going into STEM? There's nothing stopping you from studying it. If we're going to

01:29:06.660 talk about women's upward mobility and male-dominated industries, I think that is the big 1.00

01:29:11.780 issue, is that women are not often promoted or find any progression within their careers when 1.00

01:29:17.200 they are male-dominated because men would rather hire men. Right, but why do you equate that to

01:29:24.140 the hiring process and not the output of work. What do you mean? They're already hired. They

01:29:33.420 just don't experience any upward mobility, even if they are more competent and capable,

01:29:37.720 because men would rather hire other men. Right. But I'm saying, why do you assume it's because

01:29:43.320 they want to hire other men and not because men do a better job? I mean, women work less hours 1.00

01:29:48.400 on average so i mean if you do it depends on your familial status okay but no typically men and

01:29:56.480 women are working the same amount of paid hours especially if they're both single 1.00

01:30:01.920 on average it's like 18 hours less a month no not on average yeah that's true

01:30:12.800 wait sorry

01:30:18.400 Where are we going?

01:30:21.400 Doug's putting the source in the chat.

01:30:27.400 Okay.

01:30:28.400 I'm sorry, is that our Zoom chat?

01:30:30.400 No, no, in the YouTube chat.

01:30:32.400 Yeah, I don't have that.

01:30:34.400 It's coming.

01:30:35.400 You could put it in the Zoom chat.

01:30:37.400 That would be helpful.

01:30:38.400 Okay.

01:30:42.400 Okay, well, I think that's all I got for you today.

01:30:47.400 okay all right thanks for coming Kenzie you're welcome do better read more I was

01:30:58.020 just kind of I was just kind of tired to be honest all right well well guys

01:31:09.760 thanks for watching we'll bring her we'll do something another day like the

01:31:16.240 video subscribe we'll see you next time

Pearl - September 26, 2025

Feminist Ms. Kenzie Joins Pearl Daily For A Debate ｜ The Sitdown

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