Pearl - September 26, 2025
Feminist Ms. Kenzie Joins Pearl Daily For A Debate | The Sitdown
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Summary
In this episode of Pearl Daily, I have my good friend, Kenzie, on the show to discuss feminism and abortion. Kenzie is a full-time debate host and host of the Women Who Debate podcast. She has a unique perspective on the topic of abortion and feminism.
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Another episode of Pearl Daily here on the Audacity Network.
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So as you guys know, I love having conversations,
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not only with people that have similar points of view,
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I thought, Andrew, he can cause a lot of people to crash out.
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He can really, he can really, you know, I'll say debating Andrew Wilson is not for the week.
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And I was actually impressed how she stayed calm, composed, cool, and collected.
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So today we're invited her on the show to have a discussion about feminism and some of the topics we might disagree on.
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And I do ask the chat, guys, if you can, as long as the guests are respectful to us, we are respectful back.
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So if you guys super chat, personal attention, you can debate, you can super chat, a difference in opinion.
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But I'm not reading any super chats that are just outright mean, okay?
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You guys do that to me sometimes and I'm just not a fan of it.
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So, you know, that's my two cents from the chat.
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but thank you guys for tuning in welcome to the show Kenzie thank you Pearl I
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appreciate you having me so do you just Kenzie or miss Kenzie what do you prefer
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and Kenzie's fine okay great so first question before you before we get into
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like some of the topics we wanted to go through today how did you get into how
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did you get into debating and how did you end up on whatever podcast um so in december of 2021
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um i was just kind of at home by myself i had recently been introduced to tick tock uh by a
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girlfriend of mine okay and i was just scrolling i normally skipped lives uh within my scroll but i
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happened to just cross one i think it was um big john steel was doing a religious debate and i
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joined that um and then that led to an abortion debate and then the abortion debate and kind of
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the abortion niche is where i really got my start in debating cool so what's your um what's your is
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this your full-time job do you do something because most people aren't able to like talk about these
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topics and i was just curious if you do something during the day or do you do this full-time yes i
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do have a day job okay do they know or what uh no oh they don't i mean it's more it's a hobby at
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this point but um no i i try and keep that separate okay cool do you mind what do you do
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do you do you share or no if you don't it's okay i i don't share okay okay no problem okay so uh
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for this uh conversation we're gonna have debate i i go by the rule no personal attacks so we could
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attack the argument but not each other are you good with that sure okay okay um so since you're
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the guest i will let you pick of the topics we said we were going to discuss which one do you
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have one you want to start with i know i was just going to take my cue from you okay cool so why
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don't we start with women being you said abortion so why don't we start with abortion what what is
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your take on abortion um in what capacity i i guess just to kind of summarize it would be i
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don't think there should be any legal restrictions on abortion really so you think it should be legal
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up to birth correct i would follow the colorado model where there's no laws legislating abortion
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wow that is an extreme position i i don't think so wow so you don't see any problem with them
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aborting like a fully formed like they have a heart like the day before they're born you're
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okay with aborting it yeah so I would just define abortion as the deliberate termination of
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pregnancy so if it's the day before I don't know a scheduled c-section or whatever we would just
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induce birth okay so you would just have them give birth instead of aborting the kid and then would
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they kill it after? Or what would they do with the kid? Well, I don't think abortion is like
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intrinsically this idea that it's designed to unalive the fetus. It's designed to terminate
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pregnancy. Okay. But even when it's fully formed, you would say, but sorry, I'm just, I'm trying to
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go through what you said with it being, you guys make kind of make up all these words and it kind
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it confuses me. So what word did I make up? Well, cause I would just say it's a kid the day before
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it's born. Right. So like that doesn't answer what word I made up. So I, well, it's kind of
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like when you say it's a fetus instead of a baby, like I would call it a baby. You guys would say
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fetus. I understand it's a difference in semantics. Um, again, that doesn't say what
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word I made up, but fetus is just a gestational time period reference. So a fetus is eight weeks
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gestation to birth. So my opinion on abortion is I do give up. I think women have, I think it's
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disgusting. I think it's wrong, but I do think women have fought really hard for abortion and
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I give up if they want to kill their kids. I personally would say that we should make a deal
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with the pro-life people or the pro-choice people and i think we should meet you guys at like three
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to six months would you be open to if we could stop arguing about it a deal at three to six
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months no oh you would say nothing until full birth so i i think it's really interesting when
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pro-lifers is that how you would classify yourself no i've given up i've given up you guys can kill
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your kids. So if you want to, if you want to say, should there be negotiation or middle ground with
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pro-lifers? No pro-lifer can really give me the landscape of what termination and pregnancy looks
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like within the third term. Like at what rate is this happening? Canada doesn't have any restrictions
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on abortion and they have a lower abortion rate than the United States. Yeah. I would say one is
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too many. Like, it's pretty disgusting for me. What does that mean? I would say one abortion
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at nine months is too many. Like, that is disgusting. What does that mean? That one
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abortion at nine months. What do you mean when you say, like, disgusting? Like, what? I feel
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you're just kind of doing an emotional appeal. No, I would say it's, it grosses me out personally
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uh because you're ripping the limbs off one by one crushing the head and vacuuming the kid out
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that's pretty gross have you seen i mean that that's actually not true i would say that's
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pro-life propaganda i there is there is what we call a dne um that does create disarticulation
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but often when we look at abortion within try uh pregnant when we look at termination later
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in pregnancy it's often just induced labor and people give birth to stillborns yeah well i would
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say that's still disgusting okay but but i give up you guys can kill your kids okay yeah i mean
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again this this really to me just doesn't move the conversation any further i think you're just using
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emotionally charged language without any kind of critique well you could say that but this is a
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conversation say that because it's true well this is this is a conversation so i'm giving you my
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opinion i don't right but if we're if okay if that's where you want it to stop so again if you
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do you want to reduce abortion would that be a common goal i've given up i've given up i think
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women want to kill you've given i think i think i think women want to kill their kids so bad
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um that they just they will do anything to kill their kids even abort a kid even abort a kid at
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nine months focus I don't think the focus is like a desire to kill children I think the focus is not
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to be forced to sustain pregnancy and to have control over family planning yeah um I would say
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I would agree with you that they don't want to be pregnant um but I just think that you're kind
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retarded if you get pregnant um when you have iud's birth control uh natural family play like
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i mean you know your your phone it literally tracks when you're ovulating and you have like
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it's like the women the women the women are too dumb the rhythm the rhythm method is the most
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ineffective way to uh what what we would say is birth control that's 60 to 70 percent effective
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if you want to talk about iud's that's great so colorado instituted colorado instituted the lark
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plan b plan b also they can put a pill in your it's just at this point i just it's like men
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invent everything for us to not have kids and we still can't do it you can't get an abortion
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in the first three months there's capitalist barriers that are in the way if we look at
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Colorado. Colorado instituted the LARC program, which stands for Long-Acting Reversible Contraceptives, where they made IUDs free to people 16 to 20, and it significantly reduced abortion rates.
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And the program actually paid for itself because people who would have been forced to sustain pregnancy no longer needed additional state services in order to care for those children.
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so yes if we want to reduce abortion i'm for public funding of long-acting reversible
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contraceptives and all contraceptives but that's like but then see you go back to it this is why
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i think feminists want women uh really women are a protected class in society now you want free
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free birth control really yeah you can't pay for like what you can't pay for your own
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your own like why why does the state have to pay for your decision
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um well number one it stays it saves the state money in terms of welfare programs that are
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needed in order to take care of children who are subjected to poverty and and obviously a state is
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necessary within a system of capitalism okay well we're not talking about capitalism we're talking
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about abortion we are talking about capitalism because you just said why does the state have
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to pay for people it's because i'm saying i'm saying for birth control i'm saying on an individual
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level i don't understand why people are subjected to poverty so therefore they can't afford birth
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control because of capitalism yeah so you want someone else to pay for it
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if it gives them access to health care yes that's an effective system i mean that's how
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private insurance works what are you talking about okay now we're talking about insurance
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well yeah don't don't you like do you support private insurance
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i don't have an opinion on it well i i think you need to fundamentally because this is also
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talking about like private insurance is just a a pooling of um premiums in order to pay other
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people's deductibles and costs okay you would have a fundamental opposing against that if you're for
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people paying for other people's health care i think that if you want to have casual sex that's
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totally fine you're welcome to do that but i do think you should be responsible enough to pay for
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Most abortions are from long-term committed relationships.
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Because you're saying women who get pregnant and need abortions
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No, I say they're irresponsible with the amount of birth
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control that there is today. But why highlight that people who get abortions are engaging in
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casual sex? Well, I would say a good percentage are partially. No, 60%, closer to 70% are due
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to long-term committed relationships. Well, then what's the other, what's the other 30%?
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Well, I mean, come on, stop it. What do you mean? I mean, come on, sorry. What makes more sense?
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what do you think causes pregnancy? Is it the number of partners or the volume of sex that
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you're having? I would say it's being irresponsible. Again, we're not talking
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about responsibility because you said it's from casual sex. Again, if I'm having casual sex
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once a month, I'm less likely to get pregnant than if I'm married and having sex with my husband
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every night i don't care how it happened um either way i would say you're being irresponsible
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define irresponsible uh making a choice you can't pay for and you expect other people to pay for
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why is that irresponsible because that's part of being an adult is paying for your own decisions
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i mean there's a car is this like a class thing then like if you can't afford birth control you
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just shouldn't be having sex so if you're in poverty and can't afford birth control don't
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have sex is like kids now something that only like rich and middle class people should have
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um i do think that if that's a choice you're gonna make uh you should be able to pay for it
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Well, then I would feel like it would be pro-abortion if someone can pay for their abortion.
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Isn't that the responsible thing to do rather than depending on the state?
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Are you saying poor people are too dumb to take birth control?
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No, I'm saying that they don't have the means to purchase that.
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You need time in the event you might not have one.
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why do you think so little of poor people where they can't figure it out of abortions are due
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to failed contraceptives i don't think little of poor people i think poor people should have
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resources like free condoms you don't i would say that you actually think like poorly of poor people
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like free condoms i i think i think that they they so you're for free condoms but not for free
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the free pills or free iud well it's not making sense well it's not what i think should be it's
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what is? Well, I think we should talk about odds, right? No? About odds? Odds. What ought to be?
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No, I don't believe in ought. I think we should talk about what is.
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Why? Because this is the real world. Right, but we're... This is kind of the problem you get with
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women, is women do think in odds, right? That's why I said I give up on abortion,
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I live in the real world where I live in the real world
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I think when we're talking like, do you think, uh, uh, no, I'm sorry. Do you support oppression?
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No. So you think we should live in a world where there is not oppression?
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Um, it depends what you mean by oppression, but you just said you didn't support it. So it sounds
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like you knew what I meant. And now that I'm asking you if that's an alt claim,
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now you want me to define it well what why don't you define it
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pearl i just asked you do you support oppression you said no yeah because that's kind of a stupid
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question well if you don't support it then to me that says you have a concept and an understanding
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of what oppression is i even asked you what your definition of oppression was and you said the
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dictionary definition so even if we go by that you don't support oppression so do you think we
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ought to live in a world where people are not oppressed i don't live in oughts i live in is
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which probably kind of is a good pivot to our next um our next topic to our next topic so
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all right let's let's talk about female oppression uh you i'm assuming think that women are oppressed
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yeah okay so what what in what ways do you think women are oppressed i think women are oppressed
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by capitalism. Women are oppressed by sexual violence. Women are oppressed by race, by ableism.
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I mean, really, if we talk about any kind of capitalist system, I think there is some form
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of oppression built into where women are disadvantaged. Okay, so in what ways day-to-day
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are women oppressed by a capitalist system? Women are more likely to be in poverty.
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okay keep going women are more like sorry oh i'm listening keep going
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uh women are have barriers when it comes to certain employment and the earning of profit
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they have additional obligations that put them into labor that is non-paid okay so barriers
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sorry say that one more time barriers when it comes barriers to wage labor okay and social
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obligations to unpaid labor social obligations to anything else um i'm sure there is but those
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are off the top of my head okay why do you think women are more likely to be in poverty
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because they have barriers to wage labor okay because they have social obligations to unpaid
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okay what are the barriers to paid labor sure um uh well like obviously the wage gap okay wage gap
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keep going what else um the social obligations or expectation when it comes to uh family care
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when it comes okay what else anything those are off the top of my head i think those would be the
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Okay. So you're saying that women are more likely to be in poverty because of the wage gap and
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social expectations when it comes to family care. Yeah. Okay. So I would disagree with you because
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the majority of, you know, I think it's actually ridiculous that women are anywhere close to paid
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the same as men when men produce 80% of the world's stuff. Why is that the barometer?
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because you need people to keep society running right but you're talking about just people
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producing products rather than people offering service women offer high like women are often in
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service positions yeah i don't think they're as valuable as the positions that men do like
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we wouldn't even have houses if we didn't have male carpenters you can't have service
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positions is valuable um i think health care is valuable but women that's service isn't it
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yeah but i don't think it's as important you can't have health care without the houses that
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women are in i mean you can't have people if they're dying from disease uh i guess you could
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say that the other the other thing is 63 of scholarships are given to women um so so women
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are women are really i would say given a head up in life because they're given the majority of
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scholarships um women are given preferential treatment women are women and college enrollments
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are women so it would make sense that they get scholarships at a higher rate yeah because
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education favors women no women typically need education in order to have access to higher
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labor or higher wage not really because we own all of this we own all of the student debt
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we don't own all of the student debt are you kidding we own the majority of it and we don't
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And the difference is we don't go into STEM and we don't pay it back.
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Men are two times as likely to pay back their student loan debt than women.
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I mean, I don't think it's preferential treatment.
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That's women getting all the benefits without the responsibility.
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I don't think so at all, because you would need to look at the cause as why women are struggling to pay PAC student debt.
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Could that be due to family planning, that they have kids and they're unable to work?
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The birth rates declined massively in the last 20 years.
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Just because it's declined doesn't mean that we're not having children.
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And we're not having a lot of kids, and you have the choice to not.
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And this is what I mean when I say feminists.
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you want everybody to pay for your poor choices so if you want to get an abortion if you want to
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if you want to get if you get an abortion you want other people to pay for it if you if you
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want to go if you want to go if you want to go into a job market that pays less you want to blame
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the patriarchy instead of going into stem if you're not smart enough to do stem women do go
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into stem it depends what industry we're talking about i mean the majority quit after five to ten
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years they can't they can't stick around and do it they choose to quit you don't have the source
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on that you don't have to have you don't have to i mean you can google it kenzie it's women
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women on average women on women on women on women on average do not women on women on average don't
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stay in STEM. They don't. Well, give me the source, girl. I mean, come on, you read, right?
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You can Google it. It's at the top of Google. Kenzie, if we're gonna... I'm not looking to do
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your homework. I'm looking to read what you have read, Pearl. Okay. So, wait, how do I go?
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it's like she comes on my show and she wants to over talk me
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I think feminists have no idea how insufferable they tend to be
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if you're going to have an attitude I'll kick you
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it's all right. So I would say my bottom line, and I'll go into this, is that if women want to
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make choices, they have to pay for them. So whether that's going into STEM or not going
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into STEM, you are responsible for your choice. I don't like to blame these external factors
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for my choices? Well, of course not, because you think everything exists in a vacuum.
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So it means that you think that something exists independently of certain systems or
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environments, when that's just not true. I think that you're responsible for the choices that you
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make. Would you agree or disagree? What do you mean by responsible? Okay. Are we going to do this
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all day where you're going to say, what do you mean by that? Or can you answer? Yeah, because you say
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things, Pearl, and I don't know what kind of concept you're conveying to me. So that's why
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I'm asking you to clarify your concept. Are you, are you an adult? I just want to have an adult
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you going to answer the question or no? What, what question?
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do you think women should be responsible for the choices they make what does that mean
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i just can't believe i'm talking to an adult right now you don't know what that means like
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again that doesn't that doesn't do anything for me i don't know why you set this standard of
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let's be polite let's be respectful i asked you to clarify your position and you're like oh
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i just can't stand you like give me a break okay so what i mean is if you make a choice
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are you responsible for that choice i'm asking you what that means so let's say that someone
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smokes cigarettes if you make a choice that someone smokes cigarettes okay i'm gonna i'm
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gonna answer now if you make the choice to get an abortion are you responsible for it yes or no
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i don't know what you're asking me okay if you make the choice to go into stem are you
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responsible for it yes or no i don't know what you're asking me okay you can change
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x value in all your senses if you make it's gonna be okay so if you make the choice if you make the
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choice to get a bunch of debt are you as an adult responsible for that choice i'll go ahead like in
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terms of paying it off yeah are you responsible or is it your fault that you
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signed up for the debt is it your fault that you signed up for the debt yes it's
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a year fall I don't know what you mean by your fault obviously it was your
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choice are you to take out loans or credit cards okay so you should be
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responsible for it obviously you've agreed to the obligation of paying it
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back sure okay so if you make the choice to get an abortion are you responsible for it
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if you make the choice to get married are you responsible for the choice are you responsible
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you just keep asking all right crash out it's just crazy
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i just never understood liberal this is not a crash out this is just your inability to
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comprehend all right so we're gonna don't be rude so respond definition
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having an obligation to do something or having control over or care for someone as part of one's
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job or role so you're asking me if you get an abortion do you have a duty are you are you the
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art art oh no oh no sorry i clicked something are you the primary cause of it like if we say
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whose fault was this would you point to yourself as long as it wasn't great uh no i think it's
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men's fault it's men's fault for getting you pregnant yeah okay so why do you think that is
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did the men make the choice for you to bang to have sex or did you make the choice you made the
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choice to have intercourse okay did you make the choice to take an abortion pill
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yes okay so how is it the men's fault if you had an abortion
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well because they're the cause of pregnancy how how like can you get pregnant without sperm
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no so who puts the sperm in the uterus so i would say that during conception it's 50 50
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as long as both parties consent well no like i can consent to sex but not consent
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to him putting his sperm in my uterus if we're going to talk about obligations or duty to act
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I would say it's men's duty. Did you choose the condom? To maintain control of their biological
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material. Did you choose the condom, yes or no? Did you consent? Who got the choice to wear a
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condom or not wear a condom? You or him? I mean, obviously both parties, but even if I choose not
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to wear a condom, like obviously he still has the choice to like, you know, choose in a sock,
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Who made the choice to get an IUD or not get an IUD?
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Well, I mean, again, is choice just dependent on desire, or is it also dependent?
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I don't want to make this more complicated than it has to be.
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Well, of course you don't, because you don't want to.
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I did not come into this in bad faith, actually.
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Okay, so whose choice was it to do the abortion?
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Who got the choice to go to the doctor and say,
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she can't do it huh i can't do what you can't say it you can't say anything's the women's fault
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well i i think again you want to like consider this within a vacuum i think a lot of women
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want to prevent pregnancy so if they have the means to get the uiud yes it's their choice
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if they don't then obviously there's a totally fine way you did it okay so next yeah because
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you actually nope nope nope all right so next well are you able to engage with that
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so whose choice is it to take the birth control pill my the man's choice or the woman's choice
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I don't know why you think it would be different.
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So whose choice is it to consent to sex with a condom or without a condom?
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Who do you think statistically wants to not wear a condom?
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Who do you think doesn't want to wear a condom?
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I think more than likely men don't want to wear condoms.
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Whose choice is it to take the plan B or not take the plan B?
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So whose choice is it to have an abortion or not have an abortion?
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So now that we're going through and the women had all these choices and the men, I mean,
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they had the condom and the pullout maybe. But I would say those are equally irresponsible men
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on the women and the having the sex. Why do you think men are more responsible when women have
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way more choice in this? Because again, the singular action that it takes to conceive is
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that sperm needs to be in the uterus. And that is 100% within the control of men.
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so because they get to choose whether to jizz in you or not really yeah like exactly because
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the sperm just doesn't appear right okay but you have the choice to put a barrier to that
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and it's still there right so do they so that's equal choice it's not equal choice we went through
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it we went through it step by step the barrier is equal because the only barrier is a condom
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You could say it's equal, but that doesn't mean it's true.
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So we're going to go into women being more likely to be in poverty.
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I'm going to give my take, and then we can go back to yours.
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I think that women are more likely to be in poverty because they spend too much money.
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I think women have a tendency to spend more than we earn.
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Part of this, you can see, is by our going to school and picking majors that do not benefit us.
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What does the 80% of consumer buyer decisions have to do with anything?
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Well, buying is spending money, is it not, Kenzie?
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It's spending money, but it doesn't mean that you're accruing debt.
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Okay. Well, I would say if we look at student debt, women owe them more.
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Men have more credit card debt. Men have more mortgage debt.
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The only debt that women outpace men in is student loan.
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Right, but the difference is men pay back their debt and women don't.
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Right, but debt is not a problem if you can pay it back.
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I can get you the source in the comments after, but it's really going to slow down.
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If we go through this and I have to bring up every source,
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it's just we're not going to be able to have a conversation.
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I can't, well, well, well, you can, I'm going to keep muting you.
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but we're not going to do this back and forth every single time.
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well she's interrupting again you done all right so i can just say not all right i can just say
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the exact opposite nope okay well here's pleasant feminists are always so pleasant to work with
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so really i would say my my main point is that women are not responsible and i would say it's
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because they spend more money than they have and they want everybody else to pay for it
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And I would say that women, if women wanted to be responsible and pay for their choices,
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But no matter what, even if I have a point A, point B, point C of why we are responsible
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for our choices, we just, I don't know what it is, we just can't admit it.
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Do you think a majority of teachers are women?
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Do you think that teachers are one of the low-paying industries?
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I think women have a tendency to complain about pay when usually they're overpaid instead of underpaid.
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So in order for us to have crab, there's a guy that dies on a fishing boat in Alaska every single week.
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And you never hear them complain about their work conditions.
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But the people you hear complain about their work conditions are the women that get three months off in the summer.
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So no, when you get three months off in the summer, I don't think you're underpaid.
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off the top of my I know it varies state by state off the top of my head um I couldn't tell you it
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depends on the state you're in but we can look it up if you really want to I'm sure you have it
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right there so I I just think it's disingenuous to say that teachers are underpaid or a part of
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a low-paying industry um I think we like to me that's just something that we can easily agree
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upon and so if we're recognizing it's $72,000 I don't think that's bad that's the U.S. national
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average so it depends like again when you talk about the state 72 000 in my state is not very
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much 72 000 in california is not very much and again there can also be teachers who are paid as
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little as 45 000 i would say that though i would say are you interrupting these rules for me and
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chill out relax so the average logger makes 42 000 so i would say they're underpaid because
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So we're talking about industries that are underpaid.
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And if you want to recognize that teachers are underpaid
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Why would men go into it if it's low paid?
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Loggers are low paid, and that's mostly men.
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And that's one of the number one deaths in the United States.
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Men don't really complain about work conditions.
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Men have awful work conditions where they actually die
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There's no teachers that are dying from teaching in general.
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So, all right, you got to let me finish, Kenzie.
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You don't get to go on someone else's show and over talk.
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If you're not okay with that, you're welcome to bounce.
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Okay, so I actually find it a little bit offensive.
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Not that I'm actually offended, but I have thick skin, I can take it.
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But I think it's ironic that teachers complain about their pay when they get off for three
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there's a guy that dies from, you know, crab fishing on oil rigs, loggers. And what feminists
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tend to do is you guys try to minimize it and say, well, but not that many men die. It's how dare
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you? One is too many. And you're such a privileged class that you could say, oh, not that many men
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die when you're sitting in an apartment or a house built by a man. When a lot of times many men's
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I would just say that that's an outcome due to capitalism.
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Because obviously, it's going to cost an employer more money
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And when it comes to crab boats, we're obviously
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I don't think it's that many men that die a year
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is that you made a contradiction and says it is.
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It is many men who give their lives for capitalism.
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Do you think sexual violence is an issue for men?
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What I'm talking about is it's something called gratitude.
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Where if men are building the society that you get to live in.
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The desk I'm sitting in, the wood was probably gathered by a man.
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And there are men that die in order to keep you safe and protected.
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And as a thank you, feminists in general, I can't say if you do this personally, but you guys, there's no gratitude.
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You're constantly complaining about women's problems and minimizing men's.
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I don't think it's about minimizing the oppressions that men experience under capitalism
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because those are but when we look at patriarchy in tandem with capitalism the reason that men are
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within these positions is because of that combination of gender role because patriarchy
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requires a dependency on men it's interesting that you highlight male contributions when it
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comes to female contributions obviously that is care to children that is reproductive labor
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without that there isn't society so i don't know why you act like men are responsible
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for everything good in the world and that women just do nothing you minimize women's labor and
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glorify yeah yeah i would i would actually and that's just misogyny well i would actually agree
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with you and it's because women we just have a tendency to not be very good at it so like we
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We can't, we can't, I need you to not, I need you to stop, you can do it.
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So for example, you said that women are responsible for childcare and having kids.
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We're not having kids and we're more likely to abuse infants, we're more likely to commit
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an infanticide, we're more likely to abuse the elderly.
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So the other thing I would say is you mentioned that it's because of gender roles, Kenzie,
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You're not going to do it, and feminists in general won't do it, because you can't.
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So when women start doing the things that men are doing, I will stop minimizing them.
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But what we do is we take the easy jobs and we still complain.
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um so so no i think that's a unfair characterization um when you talk about
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like child abuse and elderly abuse sure i can agree there's a higher volume for women because
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women are more likely to be taking care of children let me guess it's not their fault
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because they because they it's not their fault because they care for the elderly and the kids
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more right is that where you're going with it i'll go ahead you know it's it are are you like
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just fine are we rage baiting or is this just like oh there's the nagging she wants to say
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do the show how i want you to do the show it's not a standard that i am setting gaslighting she's
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flashlight where she goes I mean you set the parameters and you don't follow the
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rules well let's let me ask you now she's gonna nag more okay so I want to
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stick to the topic you can do it you're so grateful for okay and you think okay
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you have she's gonna crash out where he's gonna crash out now she's gonna
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crash out I knew it she wants to know where my kids are should I put them on
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stream where's your i know i know i know yeah yeah let let me put my personal life on the internet
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for all the nice feminists like you well it's a contradiction all right yeah i mean that's that's
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totally fine you have centered career all right all right i know i know i'm i'm the worst whatever
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that's not what I said I said you've centered career all right now we're
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gonna go personal there she goes there she it's like I could call you a catfish
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but I'm not gonna do that fine go ahead you know it's like all right so I want
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to stick to the men okay do you agree so I want to I want to stick to male jobs
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and female jobs no you don't know so I want yeah now she said I want to talk
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ABOUT WHATEVER I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I WANT TO QUESTION YOUR LIFE.
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SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE JOBS THAT I HAVE LISTED FOR MEN VERSUS WOMEN.
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SO ALL RIGHT. SO HERE WE GO. TOP MALE PROFESSIONS, ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS, AIRCRAFT PILOTS, AGRICULTURE,
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We wouldn't have houses, 98% of carpenters are male,
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Zero Nobel prizes have been awarded to all female team.
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Female, now you could say, you could come in and say,
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women, what are we doing to contribute to society?
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do so much we were just held back I'm sure that's what you think I mean it's
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like women we can't even put the donut down to not be fat and we're saying that
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we can be aerospace engineers I don't think so we got nurses school
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psychologists social workers occupational therapists a medical record
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specialist assistants floral designers I just can't say that that's as important
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or needed as, I don't know, the buildings we're in.
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if the truck drivers didn't bring it to us, the farmers.
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I would say that men's jobs are more important than women's because we could not have a society
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without women's jobs. So if women started doing 50... I agree, we couldn't have a society without
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women's jobs. Oh, sorry, men's misspoke. But if women wanted to do 50% of the carpentry,
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then I wouldn't have to, you know, if we did 50% of the construction, I wouldn't really have a
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problem with them. I wouldn't really... Women's participation in construction has gone up 22%
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in the last 10 years and it's still barely anybody like this is what they do this is what they do
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they say we went up from two percent to ten percent look at what we're doing i'm like uh
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22 percent yeah okay there this is the gaslighting we're just gonna gaslight even further what is
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gaslighting pearl it's just gonna and this is the other tactic that they do is they make you define
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every word to derail the conversation they can't they can't they can't have a
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normal convert they can't have a normal converse you know as an adult I just
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assume that you can understand basic English to some extent I I just I just
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assume that you know me and you can have a conversation as adults we've spoken
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this language for 20 years and then what the feminists come in and do is they
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define this, define that, define that, and it's just a derail to conversation, and then
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they crash out, and they crash out, but if you want to have a normal conversation, you're
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I can't believe as an adult we have to decide what a normal conversation is.
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You know, they can't take not being in control.
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I know, but it's how I wish conversation would go
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because we tend to be so insufferable to have conversations with
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all right I'll let you go a little bit but please don't ask me any definitions because it's really
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just going to derail everything snide remarks I'll also mute you just you know be nice you can do it
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I believe in you I don't know what I've said that you would consider is mean to you all right gas
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lighting i didn't say mean didn't say me i just want you to stick to the topic the men versus
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women's jobs you can do it girl you said you can do it go ahead go ahead why do you say go ahead
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and then mute me well because i just i want you to talk normally and i just you guys i am talking
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normally so the reason that i ask you to define words is because you're using them incorrectly
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Okay, then this is how women, this is another tactic.
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So what women do is they change the definitions of words to confuse you.
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How can I change the definition if I haven't given one?
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So can we stick to the male versus female jobs?
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So we're going to go to the men versus women's jobs.
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If men make 80% of the world's stuff and 70% of the food supply and women work less hours, why do they deserve equal pay?
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Because there's labor that they do that is benefit to society.
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Again, when we talk about, like, industries, I think we need to recognize that under capitalism, pay is not determined on necessity.
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It's determined based on profit, which is why I was trying to highlight that teachers are a necessary person for society if we want an educated new generation of workers.
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I would agree with you if they were doing a good job, but there's kids graduating.
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I'm from Chicago, and they're graduating in the city of Chicago, and they can't read.
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Right, that's because of capitalism, because of underfunded schools and underpaid teachers.
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So every time women don't meet a burden of performance,
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so every time women don't do something well,
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and I would say if a kid is graduating high school and they can't read,
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somebody in the administration, the teachers, failed them.
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And every time it's the women failing, you blame the system instead of the women.
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Right, because if they don't have access to the appropriate resources,
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then we don't give them the tools to perform with excellence then of course
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we're not going to have good results well i don't know how imagine if i criticized how men build
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houses if we didn't give them hammers well i wouldn't say it's really the same i wouldn't
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say it's the same thing because now we have teachers and teachers assistants uh you know
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and we don't yeah maybe in college no it's pretty common in high schools now
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pretty common in the it's pretty common still that that doesn't account for classrooms being
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having too many children in them them being underfunded yeah so again i'm being pushed
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through the system to graduate so that they can enter into capitalism to replace the labor force
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right but the majority of principals now are women the majority so who's again the majority
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of people in legislative government are men and this is and that's really not true i mean
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in the city of chicago hold on let me look this up city of chicago chicago uh cost
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pays what per kid i can't remember do you think the police perform well per capita
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Well, how can you have an opinion that women are failing within their predominant industry of teaching,
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but not have an opinion of police, which is obviously a male-dominated industry?
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great then then why is that not a critique like if you're going to have these critiques that women
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underperform in their industry and men don't well i would think you would be aware of all
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i would i would say when men do underperform um i mean there was riots about men's underperforming
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the world lets men know when they underperform it wasn't due to underperformance it was due to
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violence to police brutality like come on that's true that's true but that's them not doing their
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job over performance of anything well but the world lets men know when they're underperforming
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but when you know well when when when i don't want to mute you again but if you keep cutting
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me off i'm gonna have to i do it i gotta do it but when when men um when women underperform it's
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always society's fault and what i'm asking you know i just want the same energy that you guys
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have for men for women you guys have no problems i'll tell you you said you just reduce you just
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blame it on gender rather than systems that's the difference well if our gender performed better i
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wouldn't have to but you don't recognize that it's the system not the individual I don't think it's
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the system I think it is I know you don't because you don't read okay well if you are what reading
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produces then I guess I'll read more yeah education I mean I know you've got a grift
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and there are still students that can't read 20k my private school was less than half of that in
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high school we performed better than the public schools that had double the funding I don't think
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it's a funding issue I think it's a the challenge you get is where your private school teachers
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women some of them some not a majority no actually we had a mostly male administration
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I think it's not administration or teachers no teachers I would say like it was about half and
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half no you asked see why you gotta see well I want to see if you're honest and I don't think
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you are well you could look into it if you want but sure this is why like the anecdote like I
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don't even know if what you're saying about your private school is true okay well this is good
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faith versus bad faith you are very bad faith pearl all right there she goes 20 don't you think
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twenty thousand dollars is a lot per student you know what would be enough money where like if they
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increased it in chicago where they would increase it to say twenty five thousand dollars a student
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do academics. Well, yeah, we also went through a pandemic and experienced inflation. Okay, now
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it's the pandemic's fault that kids can't read. Well, pandemic caused inflation, Pearl. It would
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make sense that. Okay, there she goes. Okay. All right, so I would say, sorry, this last one,
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is that when men make a mistake, they are criticized.
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But when women make a mistake or fail at their job,
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What are the other topics you're going to go through?
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Are you pro-marriage or anti-marriage or indifferent?
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I mean, it depends how we're conceptualizing marriage here,
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but I know you don't want to talk definitions or what concepts are,
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I mean, it's hard to know what you're asking me
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because, like, are we talking about marriage as, like,
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Are we talking marriage as a theological commitment?
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we talking like what are we talking about marriage sure why don't we do the state marriage what do
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you think of that so I think there is benefit to entering in a contract with marriage depending on
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what your goals are obviously there can be tax breaks which can benefit you economically you can
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have access to your spouse's health care which can also benefit you not only in health but
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psychologically as well as economically and then also you are have more protections when it comes
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to the acquisition of capital during the union okay do you think it's a net positive overall
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again it would depend on the metrics okay and it would be context dependent do you agree that
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as long as there's no abuse that custody should be 50 ideally would be 50 50 i think it should
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just be agreed based on what the parties can come up with right but off the bat 50 50 well if one
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parent doesn't want the child yeah fine no I don't think they should be forced if they don't want it
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fine but I'm saying off the bat 50 50 if that's what the parent parental unit wants yes I would
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think that would be great okay so my opinion is that while there are some benefits like the ones
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you listed. I don't think those are necessarily bad things. I would say that it is a bad deal
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for men because they're more than likely going to lose custody of their kids if there's a
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divorce. The average divorce is $20,000. And there's very few benefits that outweigh that
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risk of losing. So 90% of child custody is decided outside of court. So if men are not
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having possession of their children it's because they don't want it no so that's often what
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feminists say um but the challenge is a lot of men are advised not to fight for custody because
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they don't have the means if you're an average and we and we talked about people that are living
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paycheck to paycheck or um you know middle lower class guys they don't have 20k to spend fighting
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for custody and sometimes it's a lot i mean if they have a lawyer and sometimes it's a lot just
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way you can go and sometimes it's a lot more than that um so i would attribute that to men
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not wanting to um and they also know that the majority of the time um they're not going to win
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so a lot of lawyers if they don't think their case is a sure thing they advise them to fight
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against it? So it's not feminists that say 90% of child custody cases are decided outside of
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court. That's the American Bar Association. Again, I said the argument feminists said
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is that they don't want custody. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll let you go. Because the decision is
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made outside of court, which means that both parties agree. And if we can acknowledge that
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men have more access to capital than women do I would say that men are more advantaged when it
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comes to having a lawyer now of the men that of cases that are contested about um four percent
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four four or six percent I want to say it's six percent six percent go to mediation and then only
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four percent are decided in front of a judge and of the four percent that is decided in front of
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a judge men are awarded what they want 65% of the time right but what I said was that in the
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beginning so when the men you what happens is you schedule a consult with the lawyers
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and that's that's not that's that okay wait Jesus wait wait so what happens in a lot of those
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meetings is that they are advised to not fight because the odds are just not in their favor
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so you could say they don't fight but when a guy's making you know forty two thousand dollars a year
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as a logger uh he doesn't have twenty thousand dollars to fight in court when a lot of the times
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he may be on child support he may be kicked out of his house um or you know um you know and he's
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going through a deeply like emotional time so a lot of times they yeah they're advised to not do
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it I just don't see any evidence of that you can file a divorce without a lawyer you you can file
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but if you're going to take the case to court you'll usually do a consult right and so why would
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you take the case to court okay so if you know your wife is going to fight you for custody of
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your kids and you know if you spend $30,000 $20,000 $30,000 $40,000 which is a lot of money
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you'd agree right yeah so most men don't want to take their life savings for a 50-50 chance of
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custody right but you're just assuming that most women want to take custody from their exes well
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which i would just say is not true all i can like it benefits women who are going to be single
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uh to share custody because then they have access to additional child care yeah you could say that
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but the issue is a lot of child support is based on how off how much custody the woman has so it
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gives her an incentive to fight for more custody to get more money it doesn't you are you are going
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no that's it taking child support will pay you less than working a wage job i understand um that
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they could move the numbers to maybe go like that but child support child support is getting paid
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to do nothing is getting child support is getting is okay we're gonna we're gonna wait we're gonna
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to wait. You can do it. You can do it. So essentially, that would be my take is that
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generally speaking, men are advised to not fight for custody because the odds just are not in
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their favor. When you look at alimony payments, 90% are men to women. The majority of child
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support is men to women. I understand you're probably going to try to minimize that
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in some way but the truth of the matter is the majority of the time if there's child support
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or alimony in custody women get all of it so go ahead so um again i would just argue that child
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support is a way to keep women in poverty because if like it's interesting to me that you minimize
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women's care for children and just say they're doing nothing they are providing care for children
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if a man had to outsource that to a daycare, he would be paying way more to the daycare center
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than he would to the other parent. So that's why it's in men's benefits to just pay child support
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because they're getting a discount on daycare. When it comes to alimony, again, a majority of
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men pay alimony because they have more access to capital and only 10% of divorces end in alimony.
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so that's not the majority experience right but even a 10 chance is more than I would personally
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want to take if I was if I was a guy I don't I don't want to I don't I don't want to pay you
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I don't want to pay you if I was a guy I would just would not even want a 10 chance of being
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on alimony I just why would I take that extra risk I would say alimony is a valid payment of
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um essentially what you've invested in the relationship in order to get access to alimony
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it has to be a long-term relationship unless it was decided within a prenup now if let's just say
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to give you a hypothetical if a housewife stayed home for 15 years and took care of children
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and within that 15 years her partner was able to climb the corporate ladder and get access to a
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high earning salary how is she not entitled to the benefits of her labor um that sounds to me
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like a lack of gratitude she was allowed to stay home for 15 years most people do not get to do
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that so i i would she was doing i would actually say thank you for allowing me to stay home and
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raise the kids and not be entitled to more. That is labor. But see, most, I think that raising
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kids would be a privilege. Most men would look at that as a privilege to be home and stay with
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their kids. But for some reason, women feel entitled to it. And, you know, again, it goes
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back to being an adult. You don't have to have kids in this society, which is fine. And if you
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make that choice I think that you should be prepared to take the
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consequences of it and part of it is being out of the workforce for a little
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bit if you choose to do that or you can do daycare that's another route you could
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do so right so so now you've made contradictions within a lot of your
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statements because of oh I'm telling you um because like if we look at a business and let's
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just say that there was a partnership in a business and that one person was not taking a
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salary but they were doing all the administrative work within the business but they were partners
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50 50 don't you think then that they're both entitled to the profits of that business no I
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I don't. I don't think administration is as important as running a company.
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Well, that's what CEOs do, is administrative work.
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Oh, that's just not true. Sorry, that is just not true.
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Okay, so I would say that the woman got free rent, free food, and free ability to...
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Does taking care of children have economic value?
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You get free rent, free food, and you can do hobbies in your free time.
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Men who are a wage earner and women who stay home, typically men have more leisure time.
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Well, they can make a study that says anything these days.
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Well, again, they can make a study that says anything.
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I mean, you're just going to talk out of your ass, and then when I get a study, they're going to be like, oh, they can just say anything.
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Well, I would just say I kind of look at tendencies of men and women, and men tend to – women tend to over-exaggerate what they do, and men tend to under-exaggerate.
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My eyes, experience, my ears, this conversation.
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You just value men's labor, and you don't value women's labor, and that's due to misogyny.
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I would say it's due to women's output, which is less than men's.
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do you want women to have children uh not if they don't want children do you want women to
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have children is that something when like you want to see within society i want women
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i want women that want to have children to have children and women that don't want to have
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children to me too yeah i agree me too so so you think it is essential within society to have
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children, correct? The challenge now is we have an older welfare state, so they don't really know
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how people are going to pay for these old people, but I don't think that's young people's problem,
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to be honest. Well, if we don't have children, we can't replace the workforce, right? That is going
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to be a problem, but I still on an individual level would say that women that want children,
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I would encourage them to have them. If they don't, then I wouldn't. I have seen some pretty
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bad moms in my day, so. Sure, sure. So, I'm just, so this is, again, the issue that I have when we
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don't talk about oughts, because if we're going to say, like, how society ought to be structured
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and what the best function is, then we need to recognize that things are essential. You do say
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the ought, that it is essential that we have housing, and bravo men for making housing,
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But you don't recognize that it's essential that we provide care to people, elderly, health care, and children, and that women shoulder the burden, majority of these things.
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You minimize that effect and label it as it should be a labor of love.
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Who cares that you're not paid, but men are paid for their labor?
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I would say that men are underpaid for their labor and women are overpaid.
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and the reason yeah so the reason i think this is doesn't make any sense because you just add
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okay wait wait you can wait you can wait so the reason i think this is because men make
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80 of the world's stuff 70 of the food supply while there is other stuff that is important
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in society that is the most important because none of the other industries
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would exist without them um there's no there's well wait this is not an ought statement um this
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is an is because men are currently making all of our stuff and our food supply that's that ought
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that is and i would say that is more useful um than the jobs that we listed because society
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would fall apart without it um i forgot the last thing you said i forgot i think you had one more
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statement i was going to respond to but i forgot makes people that's you need an egg and a sperm
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as you said earlier so i would say men and women well make that that's what you need in order to
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create conception but in order to actually create a person there has to be reproductive labor right
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And women are not doing a good job doing that, if we're going to be honest.
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So I would say that women aren't having kids, so we're not really doing that.
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In terms of raising kids, I would say that the majority of neglect and child abuse is done by women.
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Single father homes have similar outcomes to two parent homes where single mother homes create criminals and a lot of the world's problems.
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So if women were better at raising kids, I would say that, but we're just not doing too good of a job.
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oh sorry why why don't women want to have kids i forgot you asked me that um i don't know it's
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not really my business i mean there's a plethora of reasons go ahead so the statistic you cited
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that single mothers are producing criminals is incorrect and what percent what what percent
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What percent of criminals come from single mother homes?
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70% of juveniles come from single mother homes.
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No, single father homes produce similar outcomes.
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No, the source comes from the Justice Department.
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It was a source released in the 90s that talked about juvenile delinquents.
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And I think it was something like actually 60%, not 70, 60% came from single parent homes.
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And it was actually 50-50 that came from single mother and single father.
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I mean, even if I just go to AI, it says you're wrong.
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See, this is why I feel that sources are necessary, because you just talk out of your ass.
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I was actually going to ask you this as a feminist
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what do you think about the lack of men's shelters
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we're talking primarily about DV shelters because men do have access to shelters when it comes to
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being unhoused sorry say that one more time I think when we're talking about shelters that
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are gendered those are DV shelters yes because when men are unhoused they do have access to
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shelters but DV shelters are specifically geared towards women because women are more likely to die
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OK, but would you be for equal 50-50 women having the men
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I just don't think there's a need for men,
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That's why women need domestic violence shelters.
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Yeah, but you don't think they still should have support?
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But again, I think shelters are an effect of capitalism
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because we manufacture scarcity when it comes to housing.
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So you were the one who wanted to talk about it.
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i'm sorry what'd you say the floor is yours you said i don't know what you want to talk
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about in terms of gender roles that was one of the topics you brought up
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okay i i think uh gender roles ultimately don't serve any utility at uphold patriarchy
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say that one more time i ultimately think that typically gender roles do not
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serve utility and uphold patriarchy okay can you tell me what that means in like layman's terms
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so if i do the dishes that i don't think there's a function for gender roles
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and i think they uphold male supremacy and domination by like doing the dishes or what
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um so if we're going to talk about labor within the households uh we can view like feminized
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labor is typically labor that is daily and and requires more time investment like doing the
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dishes doing the laundry grocery shopping meal planning those are constant tasks and require
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a lot of investment where if we look at tasks that are more masculinized this is like repairs
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around the house car repair and lawn care which is sporadic and seasonal so women have more
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obligation when it comes to the labor provided within the home yeah I think
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that lawn care is harder than doing the dishes and they kind of automate a lot
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of in the lawns really and okay well I would say it's easier to do the
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dishwasher personally they've automated a lot of our stuff with Roombas I think
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it's kind of silly to say that it upholds patriarchy so that would be my
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two cents well that's just one aspect of it but yes it puts women to providing more labor
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than men within the domestic households which is one of the benefits and reasons i think men
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want to get married is because they have access to a domestic slave sorry
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god why do you think so little of men that's just a crazy thing to say because i'm not impressed by
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men like what what do you mean no it's just i don't know why i would think highly of my oppressor
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did something happen to you like what like what did men do i don't know did something happen to
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you pearl where you you're up their ass no it's just you just have such a vitriol towards men
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and i don't really get it because it's just kind of would you say that it's valid for
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you think that men are the equivalent of nazi i'm asking you is that a yes or a no
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i want to ask do you think men are the equivalent of nazis oh my god
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sorry i just think it's a stupid question well answer it i don't have to
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then i'm not going to answer yours what's the point all right
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why is it a stupid question oh my god it just never ends well pearl if you're going to say
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The equivalent of men to Hitler is just, I would not say,
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it's interesting you think men should get married when you compare them to hitler
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would you like me to clarify sure go ahead uh would you say that um nazis were oppressors
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all right i'm gonna yeah probably probably okay would you say that the jew that jewish
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people were the oppressed probably okay so so that's the analogy that i'm making yeah is that
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men are the oppressors and women are the oppressed what so if in one case it's okay for the oppressed
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for the oppressed persons to have vitriol towards the people that are oppressing them
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why is it okay in one context and not in another what more do you want men to do for you
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stop oppressing us okay so how are they like just can we do day-to-day examples so if i wake up
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how am i oppressed by men uh like this we went over this within the uh like intro to your show
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okay uh sexual violence is gender-based violence towards women um you name any system under
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capitalism there are disproportionate outcomes for women okay but whether that's the job market
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whether that is housing whether that is health care okay is there anything stopping me from
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going to the police if i if i get assaulted uh yeah okay your safety your safety number one
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and number two i'm sorry i don't know why i went on what is what would what would stop it
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it your your safety as well as the how am i not wait no no i need to i need to break it down
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how am i not safe by going to the police and reporting a crime because if they don't arrest
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your assailant your assailant can harm you again because you've pissed them off even if they go
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like let's say it's a domestic violence situation and let's say the police go and arrest him he makes
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bail he can go back to your house and now you've just pissed him off okay let's say that they come
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to the house and they don't arrest him okay now you've also pissed him off okay but they also
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could arrest him too if you have the evidence right okay right but i also said he can be he
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could be processed and then he could be bailed out and he would still what is stopping me from
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studying STEM and going into STEM? There's nothing stopping you from studying it. If we're going to
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talk about women's upward mobility and male-dominated industries, I think that is the big
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issue, is that women are not often promoted or find any progression within their careers when
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they are male-dominated because men would rather hire men. Right, but why do you equate that to
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the hiring process and not the output of work. What do you mean? They're already hired. They
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just don't experience any upward mobility, even if they are more competent and capable,
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because men would rather hire other men. Right. But I'm saying, why do you assume it's because
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they want to hire other men and not because men do a better job? I mean, women work less hours
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on average so i mean if you do it depends on your familial status okay but no typically men and
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women are working the same amount of paid hours especially if they're both single
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on average it's like 18 hours less a month no not on average yeah that's true
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Okay, well, I think that's all I got for you today.
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okay all right thanks for coming Kenzie you're welcome do better read more I was
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just kind of I was just kind of tired to be honest all right well well guys
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thanks for watching we'll bring her we'll do something another day like the