Pearl - God won't STOP Your WIFE from LEAVING YOU ｜ Reviewing the @DailyWirePlus Debate!

00:00:00.000 what up guys welcome to another episode of pearl daily and welcome to the just pearly things

00:00:07.140 youtube channel i missed you guys one in the chat one in the chat if you guys can hear me okay if

00:00:15.280 we're running up and smooth all that jazz okay i want to make sure i turn this audio back on but

00:00:23.120 okay. Okay, so hello, hello, hello. Today, I just got back from a trip to the United States.

00:00:35.140 And when I was in the United States, I went on the Daily Wire show with Michael Knowles.

00:00:42.220 Now, if you guys know anything about me, when I first got into the more of the red pill space,

00:00:48.820 I would say I came in with more of a traditional conservative viewpoint and some of my viewpoints

00:00:57.400 were actually I would say shaped by listening to the Daily Wire when I was younger was not

00:01:02.540 the Daily Wire alone but overall I've been a fan of their content for years Ben Shapiro was one of

00:01:09.000 the first guys that I I would say red pilled me you know I wasn't overly political when I was

00:01:15.460 younger. I believe the first time I could vote, I didn't. And the second time I voted Republican.

00:01:23.340 Now, a lot of the reason I voted Republican the second time around was because I watched

00:01:30.880 The Daily Wire. But what I have seen from The Daily Wire in the last two years is a huge

00:01:38.360 blind spot. Just the biggest blind spot that I have ever seen in a company. And

00:01:46.860 I was really nervous going out there because

00:01:52.080 it was almost a surreal moment. It was basically in my eyes telling the Daily Wire about this huge

00:02:03.500 blind spot that I see for them and debating on marriage in 2024. Now, I would like to remind you

00:02:13.280 that I didn't always have these opinions. I didn't really understand why men didn't want to get

00:02:18.400 married, why the institution was dying. But, you know, I couldn't really hide from the fact that

00:02:28.480 I really, under the age of 40, most people aren't married or haven't been married for that long.

00:02:34.560 The institution in itself is disappearing. And it didn't really

00:02:39.680 matter what my religion was or the way that I thought or what I thought was right.

00:02:47.460 I knew what I was seeing in front of me. And what happened was I came to England and I started

00:02:54.420 interviewing a thousand women and I started interviewing men after divorce and it changed

00:03:06.220 my opinion. So today I actually wanted to make this show for the women that actually want to

00:03:13.980 understand where the men are coming from. You know this is for the women that actually love

00:03:19.400 men. Maybe you have a father that you want to protect. Maybe you have a brother that you want

00:03:26.420 to protect. But knowing this information will help you protect the men in your lives. And

00:03:32.580 unfortunately, what I noticed is what Michael Knowles is pushing and The Daily Wire is pushing

00:03:39.060 leads men to slaughter in a way. Now, I know this sounds dramatic, okay? And when I first heard this

00:03:49.140 stuff, this sounded really traumatic. I mean, just find a good woman, right? Just find that special,

00:03:56.540 special woman. So what I gathered from the Michael Knowles debate was that he pushes,

00:04:06.200 and some of the stuff I did talk about in the debate, but I really wanted to make sure

00:04:10.180 that I'm explaining my opinions in depth, because sometimes you might hear a soundbite,

00:04:15.620 You might hear me say something offhand, and you might not understand where it's coming from, why I think this way.

00:04:22.300 And sometimes it's hard to convey this stuff over screen.

00:04:26.620 So he says to get married young, ideally with zero sexual experience with women, no prenup, no DNA test, and no divorce if she lies about paternity or tries to kill you.

00:04:42.580 No, there is no divorce allowed.

00:04:44.800 And if anything goes wrong in the relationship, you just need to lead better.

00:04:50.820 Now, when I set out to create this platform, what I'm trying to do is create something that is honest.

00:04:58.440 I'm not here to sell you religion.

00:05:00.460 I'm not here to sell you a course.

00:05:02.800 I'm not here, I'm not selling anything.

00:05:05.900 I was just sick of being lied to.

00:05:09.200 I was so tired of the dishonest media.

00:05:12.120 And I would see it on the right.

00:05:13.960 I would see it on the left. And I would just see people not living in reality because they're

00:05:19.120 trying to sell me their religion. They're trying to sell me their political party. And all I wanted

00:05:25.720 was to figure out what was true about the world, because everybody seemed to be selling something.

00:05:33.880 um now

00:05:38.200 the second reason that this information is important that it gets out there is because

00:05:48.720 I have brothers you know I have five brothers I have a father that I love one day I hope I have

00:05:55.760 a son and I think it's so important that men understand the risk of something before signing

00:06:02.020 up. If men want to get married, I don't have any problem with that, but they should know what they

00:06:09.060 are signing up for. And the problem is if men understood how serious of a decision they were

00:06:14.920 making and understood exactly what they are signing, many men wouldn't sign up. So they

00:06:21.020 keep trying to miscategorize me as telling men what to do because I think every man should decide

00:06:29.120 for himself. I think, you know, I am not the one that is going to take the fall when you get

00:06:36.640 married. I am not the one that's going to take the fall when you don't get married.

00:06:42.520 I think that you, as the viewer, should weigh the pros and the cons of a decision yourself.

00:06:48.920 I think you should think for yourself. I don't think you should do what I say.

00:06:52.280 I don't think you should do what Michael Knowles says.

00:06:55.640 And the reason being is I have seen the other side of this.

00:07:03.180 And I personally, you know, Michael Knowles at 33 years old is telling young men to get married, get married, get married.

00:07:11.340 Well, I know how what percent of divorces are malicious.

00:07:20.160 I know that men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a bad divorce.

00:07:28.160 I have interviewed men that are on the brink of suicide. None of this is about me.

00:07:33.680 And what you'll keep seeing from the right is they keep trying to make it about me.

00:07:38.160 Pearl's telling men what to do. Pearl is single, unmarried, childless, grifter. None of this is

00:07:44.980 about me. This is about the fathers in this country that do not have access to their children.

00:07:52.600 This is about the children that are growing up without their fathers. This is about the young

00:07:59.400 men that commit suicide because they are horrified at what their wife was doing behind closed doors.

00:08:08.120 This is about the men that go crazy and commit a crime,

00:08:15.420 maybe shoot a judge like someone on the East Coast just did,

00:08:18.320 because they were driven to insanity by the family court system.

00:08:22.820 And what I refuse to do is shame men and say that they are not real men

00:08:28.140 or they're doing the wrong thing by not participating in a system

00:08:34.780 that's set out to destroy them.

00:08:37.260 And until you've actually seen what I've seen, you may not understand it.

00:08:46.420 So I will be honest regardless of what the people call me, regardless of what they want to say about me.

00:08:55.620 You know, I'm always going to be honest.

00:08:58.820 And men should be aware of what they're signing up for.

00:09:02.040 For example, in California, if you find out you are not the father after the age of two, when the child is two,

00:09:10.480 because the laws are written in the best interest of the child, you are still on the hook for child support for life.

00:09:17.680 Don't you think that is important for men to know?

00:09:22.220 Now, oftentimes what I'll hear from the right is do marriage like we do.

00:09:26.640 We have the secret keys to having a successful marriage.

00:09:32.040 on the right are conservatives but then i look through men on the right andrew clavin married

00:09:39.240 twice dennis prager married three times glenn beck married twice crowder divorced lauren lauren

00:09:45.580 southern single mother we have very similar results on the right and the left then the cope

00:09:52.540 that i have is those aren't real christians and then the hosts go into playing god typically i

00:10:00.800 would look at it like that, deciding who is real and who wasn't. Now, a lot of you guys have asked

00:10:09.820 me, why is this so important to you, Pearl? Why, why, why? Why do you care? Why is this so important

00:10:16.140 to you? And there is a story that I've kind of shied away from telling live because the internet

00:10:24.860 can just be a bit harsh, a bit, you know, and sometimes when I give out personal information,

00:10:32.880 you know, the internet's kind of rude with it. They're kind of, but, you know, I had, when I

00:10:40.660 was 21, I got a phone call, you know, from my mom. And my mom tells me that, you know,

00:10:54.360 my brother had actually tried to commit suicide. And I don't want to go into the details as to why

00:11:02.920 or what happened, but this information can save lives. This information is important. Men need to

00:11:12.940 know what they're trying to get into. You know, on top of that, I had a relative growing up who

00:11:18.420 was denied access to his children for years i i had the the sweetest niece she was the most

00:11:24.160 innocent like pure child and he got into a relationship with the wrong chick and she

00:11:31.780 decided that she was going to you know um alienate him from his children and you see this stuff and

00:11:41.280 I don't know how you could not warn a brother or a father that you love if you genuinely love and

00:11:49.860 want to help men. So how are ways that we can actually help men? You know, what policy changes

00:12:01.220 are there. So the first one, I want to show this clip. Okay, so let me find this clip. One second.

00:12:16.200 okay could we pull this up blessing I don't there's there's there should be we ready okay

00:12:30.500 so this is a clip that the that they're pushing out okay let me there should be mandatory DNA

00:12:39.320 testing at birth I don't know why you okay because it's calling my wife a whore to do that I mean

00:12:45.500 It's ridiculous because the assumption of the mandatory, good grief,

00:12:50.500 but the premise of it is that my wife is sleeping around.

00:12:53.680 I'm quite confident my wife is not sleeping around.

00:12:55.340 The woman feels icky for a little bit, but then...

00:12:58.940 The man feels it. I would feel quite icky.

00:13:01.260 The woman feels icky for a little bit. Fine. Maybe the man feels icky.

00:13:05.280 Certainly he would. You're calling his wife a whore and him a cuckold.

00:13:08.160 But it prevents men from being put on child support and raising kids that aren't theirs.

00:13:13.020 you're saying and if people want to opt out of it fine fine you can opt out okay so it's not

00:13:17.180 mandatory but it's voluntary but there is voluntary yes i i i think it would be better if it was

00:13:23.580 mandatory i think that's a better so then the men can't opt out oh my gosh what are you

00:13:29.500 so why was i so frustrated by this why was i so frustrated because i have seen the other side of

00:13:38.620 this and he's simply waving it off like it's funny he's simply waving it like this isn't about

00:13:45.900 me this isn't about winning a debate this is about the men that are that find out when uh

00:13:53.820 after he's invested seven eight years into a child that that kid is not his that's for the daughter

00:14:00.720 that thought that was his father her his or her father and then at seven eight wonders where the

00:14:07.940 dad went. This is not uncommon. We can argue back and forth about how common it is, but mandatory

00:14:19.140 DNA tests protect not only the father, but the child. None of this is funny. None of this is

00:14:28.220 about a debate. These are about real issues that affect fathers and children. You know,

00:14:35.800 fathers in my lifetime have become a luxury

00:14:38.780 because of some of the policies that are out there and the only solution conservatives seem

00:14:46.960 to be able to come up with is to shame men for making a logical decision and trying to religion

00:14:53.800 them into it you can we can virtue signal on platforms we can get some good clips but that

00:15:01.720 doesn't change the fact that this is becoming increasingly not a good deal for men and men

00:15:11.280 will continue to walk away because of these policies okay so let me get the next one

00:15:19.340 the next thing they're trying to they're trying to pin me on is why it's still good to do

00:15:28.220 what's the what's the argument for what marriage is why it's okay so this was

00:15:34.820 after and I'm not sure there's like a new trend where they just always call

00:15:39.500 you a liberal or a feminist

00:15:42.980 now I used to say I actually want to talk about why I have a different opinion

00:15:48.320 on this now I used to say I used to say ban divorce okay that used to be

00:15:56.300 something I said on shows. What made me reconsider this opinion, it is quite funny to say, just ban

00:16:03.860 divorce, you know, just kind of funny, but this isn't funny. What made me change my opinion

00:16:09.060 is that there are so many men trapped in miserable marriages that on paper did nothing wrong.

00:16:18.200 They don't know.

00:16:23.800 And I don't think it's fair to those men that they stay trapped in these sexless, miserable marriages.

00:16:31.740 I'm going to read you.

00:16:32.600 I get these stories all the time, guys.

00:16:34.580 And I know, I know everyone's going to think, Pearl, Pearl, you're just making this up.

00:16:38.520 Pearl, they're just selective bias stories.

00:16:40.600 Guys, it's not.

00:16:42.380 there there is it is more common than it is uncommon in 2024 and them trying to sell you

00:16:51.500 on their religion that their special religion is different is just dishonest and i'm not dishonest

00:16:58.080 you know i i grew up catholic maybe i'm not catholic enough for them i don't know but

00:17:04.160 no the catholics are not special the protestants are not special the orthodox are not special

00:17:12.040 none of them are stopping this okay dear pearl i have watched you for a while now and i really

00:17:21.360 enjoy your content i just watched your clip i was sexless for seven years and found it mirrored my

00:17:26.880 own my own story in many ways i hope that some of the younger men in your audience might be

00:17:32.660 reassured and encouraged by believing in themselves even though i'm not a patron i hope to go on air

00:17:37.960 I am 53 years old from the UK and wanted to share some of my marriage with you.

00:17:43.940 I have been a Christian my whole life and believe in traditional values.

00:17:48.700 I only ever wanted a woman of the same values and beliefs to share my life with.

00:17:53.820 I never dated or put myself out there.

00:17:56.220 As long as I believed in being chaste, kept my virginity and dignity,

00:18:00.060 and prayed that my future wife would find me.

00:18:04.140 Optimistic, right?

00:18:05.260 I met my wife at church.

00:18:06.640 I was 19, and Ann was 21.

00:18:09.860 She was studying nursing to be a nurse in the NHS,

00:18:12.700 and I was bouncing between dead-end warehouse jobs.

00:18:15.400 We both joined an informal group of a dozen of our young Christian friends at church.

00:18:19.520 I have always been shy and low in confidence with no idea how to talk to women.

00:18:23.460 So I found this mix of 20-something people welcoming and easy to deal with.

00:18:27.500 I was friends with her for four years before even considering her as a potential partner.

00:18:31.880 During our friendship, we spent a lot of time together at church,

00:18:34.520 on pilgrimage trips, fundraiser events, outreach missions, and spiritual retreats,

00:18:40.220 all within the safety of the friend group. I found Ann to be kind, caring, chaste, generous of spirit,

00:18:46.960 devout in faith, devout in the Christian faith. These were exactly the qualities I was looking

00:18:52.500 for in a woman. So I seriously want you guys to listen to this story. I'm going to keep going and

00:18:59.000 Tell me, what was he supposed to do differently?

00:19:01.520 Where did he not lead correctly?

00:19:04.600 I have known Anne for four years.

00:19:08.960 I had known Anne for four years when I realized she wanted to change the nature of our relationship.

00:19:14.020 I was nervous and shy.

00:19:15.440 I couldn't ask her out on a date.

00:19:16.740 I wasn't even sure if I wanted to go on a date, never having been on one before.

00:19:20.200 It was just before Anne's 28th birthday when she asked me out.

00:19:24.060 She took me to a motorbike circuit to watch racing.

00:19:29.940 How could I refuse?

00:19:31.140 It was just a first date, right?

00:19:33.400 The date went really well, as I know a lot about motorsport and was able to talk about the drivers and cars with ease.

00:19:41.220 Ann was also a big motorsport fan.

00:19:44.680 We talked and watched the races and then went for a meal after.

00:19:48.980 As we parted that evening, I thanked her for a lovely day but couldn't bring myself to kiss her goodnight.

00:19:54.060 the next day i had a terrible head cold

00:19:56.640 it had rained constantly all day at the racing and i was ill in bed for three weeks

00:20:03.260 i was so ill i totally forgot to call ann and when i saw ann again at church

00:20:07.820 she thought i had dumped her and and blanked me i explained okay blah blah blah basically

00:20:13.440 um ann wanted a second date very quickly and she was my girlfriend in an exclusive relationship we

00:20:18.800 had a lot of fun trips away nights out nights in but no sex just to be clear we were both virgins

00:20:25.140 christian and chase we both believed in no sex until marriage and only went to first base kissing

00:20:29.920 cuddling clothes on above the waist early and was my first girlfriend so i was new to all of this

00:20:34.540 i didn't know what i was missing out on i didn't care i believed i was being honorable and

00:20:38.380 respectful and went home with blue balls every night i still believe that but i wouldn't recommend

00:20:42.540 it to anyone else. We had been dating for one year on Ann's 29th birthday. I was ambushed. Ann

00:20:50.880 demanded to know my intentions. Ann wanted to be married by 30 and start a family as soon as

00:20:55.100 possible. If I wasn't going to propose right away, get engaged and set the date of the wedding,

00:20:59.560 she would break it off and find someone else. I was shocked, and in truth, I wasn't ready,

00:21:03.760 but I didn't want to lose Ann either. I folded immediately. I was ever a geek with all the

00:21:09.320 hobbies, and interests you would expect, a metal drum or two with black leather and long hair. I

00:21:13.480 came from a pretty dysfunctional family, so I had no idea of a healthy, normal relationship in the

00:21:19.640 absence of strong male role models or a decent best friend. After getting engaged, we went away

00:21:24.640 for a romantic weekend by the sea. Okay, wait. Okay, let me get to the marriage. Okay, so they

00:21:31.620 get married, guys. During the first year of marriage, we had regular sex and wanted to start

00:21:36.900 a family immediately. We both had problems conceiving and needed complex medical treatments

00:21:41.620 to resolve. We spent years trying. I remember the chart. Okay. As soon as Anne got pregnant,

00:21:47.220 this is what I was getting to. Okay. As soon as Anne got pregnant, she lost all interest in me

00:21:51.540 as a person. I felt like I was only a provider and protector. Being an older mother, the pregnancy

00:21:57.580 was difficult for Anne. The birth went really badly and required emergency surgery. It took

00:22:02.700 and months to recover. I was happy to allow her to dwell on her femininity and focus on motherhood

00:22:07.740 while we shared the parenting of my son. Anne continued to prioritize my son 100% for the rest

00:22:13.300 of the marriage, and I felt like a lodger, a lodger who paid all the bills and expenses. After four

00:22:18.160 years, I asked if we were ever going to have sex again, which caused a massive row. Is that all you

00:22:22.960 think about? Anne screamed and threw me out of my own house. I knew the birth had been difficult for

00:22:27.340 Anne with physical and emotional scars to heal. No one ever considered how I felt during that

00:22:33.360 experience. I moved in with my dad and his partner three months to consider my options.

00:22:39.660 I knew I had to go back to co-parent my son and to be the man I wasn't, to break this horrible

00:22:47.440 cycle of family dysfunction and become the man I wanted to be. I knew the sacrifice would involve

00:22:53.080 and I would reconcile myself to it.

00:22:56.020 Spending three months with my dad,

00:22:57.500 acutely aware of his failures as a parent.

00:23:00.580 The next 20 years of our marriage were sexless.

00:23:03.600 A sexless marriage is defined by having sex

00:23:06.120 10 times a year or less.

00:23:07.980 Sure, I got some on my birthday

00:23:09.220 and maybe our wedding anniversary,

00:23:10.720 but this felt like pity sex to me.

00:23:12.800 Anne's heart wasn't in it

00:23:13.860 and it seemed like a chore to her.

00:23:15.600 This only lasted a few years

00:23:17.120 until it stopped when Anne moved out of our marriage bed

00:23:19.660 and into the spare room.

00:23:20.920 This was the ultimate humiliation for me. As Ann had focused so much on our son,

00:23:26.320 so am I. I'm extremely proud to say he's smart, confident, driven, and a handsome

00:23:30.980 young man. He has a solid moral compass, a righteous self, a sense of right and

00:23:36.740 wrong, with a kind and generous heart. He's twice the man I was at his age. He

00:23:40.480 did great in school and is at university with honors in a specialist technical

00:23:45.860 subject. He's a drummer and has a girlfriend.

00:23:49.380 Okay, do I believe in divorce in that instance?

00:23:57.300 Do you think that's fair? Because I look at that as fraud.

00:24:02.420 The same thing I would say as paternity fraud.

00:24:06.500 And I guess until you've seen what I've seen,

00:24:13.620 you just wouldn't know.

00:24:15.860 That's the best way I could say to describe it.

00:24:19.400 So does that make me a feminist?

00:24:31.420 Does that make me a liberal?

00:24:36.140 Does that mean, I mean, what else was the man supposed to do?

00:24:40.180 And what they're going to try to do, the Tradcons keep trying to convince you this is an outlier.

00:24:45.860 And I don't know how they could when they go on whatever podcast and there's girls with their boobs out and crosses on them.

00:24:54.480 When women are going viral and getting propped up that are ex-only fans workers.

00:24:59.900 And they're going to keep trying to pretend like this is a niche thing.

00:25:04.360 This isn't real.

00:25:05.200 This isn't real.

00:25:05.900 But I don't know how you can.

00:25:10.000 And guys, you know, I had a very similar view.

00:25:12.760 and then i interviewed a thousand women i spoke to victims of divorce rape and i changed my opinion

00:25:20.280 i am not here to tell you as a man to marry or to not marry

00:25:28.400 i am saying to go in informed in whatever you want to do

00:25:33.740 another cope that i keep seeing is that there are enough good women to go around and that men just

00:25:41.260 need to go to church. And my question to you is, then why isn't the reputation of church women

00:25:47.460 amazing? Why aren't more young men going to church? Why aren't we seeing the birth rates

00:25:54.180 going up? Again, none of this is about me. They keep making it about me. Pearl's a liberal.

00:26:03.800 Pearl's a feminist. Pearl hates women. Pearl's this. Pearl's that. Pearl's that. Guys,

00:26:08.560 why do we keep making it about me when it's about the men it's about the men that are

00:26:15.120 separated from their children it's about the men that it you know that live a mile from their

00:26:21.140 children and haven't seen their kids in two years it's about the men that go to court and have to

00:26:26.840 fight tooth and nail to maybe see their kids every other weekend there are men that figure

00:26:33.080 out the system and get through it but for every one man that figures it out there's 10 that gets

00:26:37.940 absolutely wrecked. But they, all they want me to do is lie. And I refuse to lie because of my

00:26:51.160 religion. I refuse to push men into something that causes men to commit suicide every single year

00:27:01.160 because of my religion. I just won't do it. And if you want to say I'm a feminist, if you want to

00:27:06.580 say I'm immoral for that I don't really give a shit because I have seen the other side of all

00:27:11.820 this there is a death in a man's eyes that I cannot explain when and when he comes in

00:27:21.400 and it's like his soul is gone you know the entire community thinks he's an abuser he's lost his he's

00:27:29.960 lost everything. And they want you to sign up anyway with no precautions? I mean, guys,

00:27:47.260 you saw me during that interview. I could not believe he said no prenup. It was,

00:27:55.000 you know

00:28:00.060 it was mind-blowing to me it was because I just don't know how you couldn't

00:28:11.240 support a prenup with somebody that you love you know so what what are what are things that

00:28:20.640 I personally would recommend. Now, some of these may sound extreme to you, but I'll try to make

00:28:31.420 you follow how I got this decision. So the first thing is mandatory DNA testing. Michael Knowles

00:28:40.040 said that his wife's feelings were really important. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

00:28:46.160 take out these. Maybe I could keep them in. I'm gonna write on the whiteboard, okay? Okay.

00:28:54.640 So we have, okay. Can I, I can put this one up, right? Does this work? I don't think it's working.

00:29:06.080 Um, this is just on my butt. You put it up. I don't need that. Um, okay. Um, so we have,

00:29:24.280 oh my god you're killing me blessing um all right thank you um all right raising a kid that's not

00:29:40.840 yours number two kid finds out dad isn't their dad men that commit suicide over this

00:30:04.120 and what they're gonna do and this is what i've seen the trad cons do over and over again

00:30:08.920 they're somehow going to downplay it and act like this isn't common.

00:30:13.840 So we've seen numbers of up to 30%, but let's just pretend it's 1%.

00:30:19.920 1% of men raising children that aren't theirs.

00:30:25.240 Even if this prevents one out of every 100,

00:30:29.580 these things are more important than wife's feelings.

00:30:36.240 call me crazy all right call me call me a misogynist call me sexist but

00:30:47.480 okay but personally I think that that's more important okay even if it's one out of a hundred

00:31:02.840 And that's what you guys are going to keep seeing.

00:31:05.140 You know, we're going to keep seeing sex workers out in the open.

00:31:08.600 And they'll keep saying, go to church and find a good woman.

00:31:11.040 And you're going to keep seeing more craziness in church.

00:31:13.660 And they'll keep telling you to go there.

00:31:26.120 Children deserve fathers, okay?

00:31:29.120 And men deserve access to their children.

00:31:32.840 And unfortunately, we're in a society that that's not the case.

00:31:45.300 So, mandatory DNA testing.

00:31:47.300 Second thing, prenups.

00:31:50.680 I do not know why you wouldn't tell a man to protect himself.

00:31:57.180 If a man waits until, let's just say, 30, or maybe he gets married at 20,

00:32:02.840 why is the woman entitled to his stuff?

00:32:06.980 We could do a middle ground and say

00:32:09.500 maybe some sort of prenup

00:32:14.120 or the person that files.

00:32:16.400 Maybe we bring back fault divorce

00:32:18.680 where if the woman is refusing the husband's sex,

00:32:21.880 he can file.

00:32:23.000 If the woman is, I don't know,

00:32:27.000 cheating on him or the man's cheating.

00:32:28.520 maybe we just keep marriage in the church maybe it's not with the state

00:32:35.580 there's a million ways we can do this i could come up with a compromise okay but

00:32:41.280 i think it's quite foolish to tell young men not to protect themselves

00:32:46.500 um you know men only get custody 10 of the time and what you'll often hear is that men are not

00:32:57.380 fighting for their kids. They're just not doing enough. Well, in all actuality, many lawyers are

00:33:03.260 advising that men do not fight for their children because they only have a 10% chance of winning.

00:33:09.860 That's why. Many men can't afford fighting for a child. And the problem you get with a lot of

00:33:16.980 these elitist men, and maybe they're down to earth. I've met them in, you know, I've met

00:33:21.540 Michael Knowles in person. I don't think any of this is intentional. But the truth of the matter

00:33:25.960 is, those men will have the money for a lawyer. They will have the money for a divorce. Not the

00:33:34.080 average man doesn't have that. None of this is about me. None of this is about your religion.

00:33:42.040 It is about fathers getting access to their children. It is about the divorce laws today.

00:33:49.480 Okay? The next thing that I would like to see happen is taking out all domestic violence

00:33:55.500 proceedings out of civil court many of you may not know that in family court evidence is not

00:34:02.060 required to convict someone of abuse now it's not a criminal record but it's based on a balance of

00:34:09.180 probabilities meaning it is more likely that a man did something than didn't do it meaning a woman

00:34:15.100 can go cry on a stand say that she was abused and if the judge buys her story if they believe it

00:34:21.260 But the man could be not given access to his children for life, maybe years.

00:34:30.780 This happens all the time.

00:34:32.740 It is not uncommon.

00:34:36.720 So I think that if you are going to accuse a man of abuse, I think you need to go to

00:34:42.020 criminal court, get a guilty plea, and then come back.

00:34:46.760 But what I see over and over and over again is women going to family court, accusing

00:34:51.120 men of abuse, taking the children, taking the money. This is not fair. This is not fair. And

00:34:56.620 what they keep trying to do is somehow blame the men. They should have led better.

00:35:05.700 I'm like, have you guys ever been left by a woman for no reason? Women admit to this.

00:35:10.160 I've seen Christian women get on TikTok and say they left their family of five years

00:35:14.260 to find themselves. I mean, like, are you guys not seeing this? Are you not?

00:35:21.120 Am I crazy? Okay. Then taking out domestic abuse. Personally, I would get rid of child support and

00:35:32.960 alimony. I think you've got to be accountable for your decisions, but I am open to some

00:35:38.420 middle ground where we at least cap how much they can get. Yeah, and I think that's pretty

00:35:49.260 much it. I had some other ones, but let me see. Let me look at the comments. Now, let

00:36:05.600 me know in the chat, am I crazy for these opinions? Does this make me a liberal? Am

00:36:11.520 I now a feminist? Am I a feminist for saying, hey, men should be allowed to have standards?

00:36:19.260 Men shouldn't have to enter a contract and enter a system that discriminates against them.

00:36:25.820 Is this immoral?

00:36:28.200 Is this wrong?

00:36:34.820 Okay, so now I am going to...

00:36:40.640 Oh, I need to get the link.

00:36:43.220 Okay, Glenn, if you're in the chat, can you give this to...

00:36:47.640 uh hold on

00:36:49.580 let me find this hold on hold on i gotta get it

00:36:55.880 i'm gonna show you guys one more thing but in the time being

00:37:00.280 now mind you guys remember and even even if you date a chick now

00:37:08.420 i mean how many women are coming forward and calling men abusers

00:37:11.800 and all they did was date

00:37:14.220 all they did was date and you saw what happened with the crowder situation

00:37:21.480 i mean now crowder's wife is on record saying that he wasn't abusive

00:37:26.880 and i have yet to see her retract i like candace owens right i like her this isn't a personal

00:37:32.560 thing but she was wrong you know they they leaked private ring footage from years ago

00:37:38.860 and called him an abuser

00:37:44.220 i mean that that man worked his entire life to to become something just have a one like

00:37:52.100 but okay okay let me send this to um let me send this to

00:38:01.020 okay glenn send this to your friend and then you can come on after him

00:38:14.220 so are there any women in the chat

00:38:17.320 are there any are there any women in the chat again I don't say get married I don't say don't

00:38:25.100 get married I just say objectively it's a bad deal objectively and objectively

00:38:30.480 there is no way that there is no fail safe

00:38:39.480 and see this is what they keep saying stop pretending that you're not giving advice

00:38:48.660 i oh my okay i'll give my one my one piece of advice is a prenup i do give that i do say

00:38:55.100 look guys maybe you should get a prenup but overall guys you're responsible for your own lives

00:39:02.020 i i can't tell you if the woman you're with is worthy or not i don't know you got a better

00:39:09.260 yourself. I'm just, they said he was verbally abusive. I mean, come on, should we go through

00:39:19.760 it again? Really? Okay. Let me, you know what, F it. I'm going to, I'm going to go through this

00:39:24.880 clip again. I'm going to go through it. Okay. Again, again, nothing personal to Candace. I

00:39:29.920 just think she was wrong on this one. All right. Could you, all right. Could you show my screen?

00:39:34.860 so this was the verbal abuse and this is the reaction okay from christians

00:39:42.000 from christian okay let me

00:39:47.060 okay so what's happening here she called him abusive and cruel because she wants to file a

00:39:59.480 divorce i've seen this a million times what they do is they go to the women's shelter

00:40:03.480 and they go to a divorce attorney and they tell them to do this they get with their friends they

00:40:08.380 start labeling everything as abusive and cruel everything everything everything you could be a

00:40:12.580 housewife in a freaking bite to a multi-bajillionaire with a nanny and now do you god damn it i just

00:40:24.900 sorry okay okay so he's saying he's saying chick i mean you have one job go get the groceries

00:40:54.900 okay so the first thing the first thing traditional conservatives should say is respect and listen to

00:41:11.960 your husband and and i'm showing you guys this not to shame them because i don't think most of

00:41:18.560 them are conscious of it i don't think this is like a conscious thing that goes through their

00:41:22.160 head. I think we've just been so conditioned to always take the woman's side. We never see the

00:41:27.220 other point of view. Okay. I'm not, this isn't, but that should be the first. Why isn't she

00:41:33.840 listening to her husband? Don't you believe in deferring to your husband's authority? No,

00:41:38.380 no. Okay. So she's saying, I'm not, if you, if I can't take your car, I'm going to go get someone

00:41:51.020 to pick me up or i'm getting an uber why be married why be married then go be single

00:41:59.660 okay steven i can't feeling some constraints like i can't listen to me listen to me you want to walk

00:42:07.740 out right now listen to me i can't go to the gym i can't go to my parents i can't call my friends

00:42:12.140 i can't go i can't be home you're gonna take the car and leave me here hillary just think of how

00:42:16.140 boxing you've made me what do you need me to pick up i'll get it i'll be back when i'm back

00:42:20.620 no that doesn't work either you'll be back when you're back it doesn't work either

00:42:25.420 i i understand the difference between my life being set to the second and you're going to be

00:42:29.260 back on back

00:42:35.980 like really this is emotional abuse truly really

00:42:40.460 maybe some of you guys were never bullied as kids and it shows it's like this is emotional abuse

00:42:48.460 and this is this is what happens and i'm so i'm so tired of seeing it i'm so tired of seeing this

00:42:55.340 everywhere the only way out of it is discipline respect it's the only way out of it we're at an

00:43:01.480 impact we are going to get past good because you can't have any discipline

00:43:05.140 oh there she's doing it again not listening to her husband not a single commentator pointed this

00:43:12.560 out none of them they just said oh pearl pearl pearl pearl you're so mean stop bullying these

00:43:18.200 women then why would you leak ring footage if i can't comment on it what the

00:43:24.700 god i get so irritated i get so irritated at people that make their relationships public

00:43:31.540 And then if I say anything, I'm the best.

00:43:33.980 All right.

00:43:34.260 You give up so easily.

00:43:34.980 I don't give up, Stephen.

00:43:35.860 You give up so easily.

00:43:37.780 I just said the only way out of this is discipline or respect.

00:43:39.640 You said, then we're at an income.

00:43:40.660 Stephen, no, we are at an income.

00:43:42.400 Okay?

00:43:43.000 I love you, but Stephen, Stephen, you're abused.

00:43:46.600 So, see, look, now he's mad again because I think he's clued into what she's doing or something because she's saying, you're abused.

00:43:54.620 What was abusive?

00:43:58.000 I'm just so tired of this soft ass.

00:44:00.260 Watch it.

00:44:00.840 watch it so he's saying watch it because he's talking about the abuse like the abuse language

00:44:06.700 so what's he what's he saying he's saying i've never received love from you and okay the reason

00:44:27.900 i'm bringing this up is this happens and in conservative communities all the time the women

00:44:32.220 go around say abuse abuse abuse it's it's crazy no but i love you more than life itself okay

00:44:40.380 put on some gloves no but i love you more than life itself that's not fair that's not fair and

00:44:44.140 it's disingenuous hillary you're right right then become someone who's in it day in and day out

00:44:53.420 all he's saying is is is to listen to me that's all he's saying he's saying check

00:44:58.860 chick listen listen

00:45:12.940 i i love you i'm committed to you

00:45:17.660 are you committed enough to do those things you're not committed to anything you're not

00:45:29.680 committed to anything you just said i love you i'm committed to walk the dogs put on some gloves

00:45:34.700 like really abuse is being told to walk the dogs oh my

00:45:53.600 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:46:00.080 I get so frustrated, guys.

00:46:01.460 I just don't know how nobody else saw this.

00:46:04.420 And the reason is, is because I watched Crowder growing up.

00:46:09.560 I used to, like, love watching him.

00:46:11.720 I know how much he loved conservative content.

00:46:14.820 I know how much he just loved, you know, all of that stuff.

00:46:19.800 and you guys all destroyed this man's reputation because you all believe women without a second

00:46:27.960 thought and that's really frustrating to me that's really really frustrating go to criminal

00:46:33.400 court chica if you want me to believe you go to criminal court show them the evidence and come

00:46:37.200 back i i know what's going on in family court none of you chicks is this is going to get by me

00:46:42.920 none of you all of you chicks that didn't file a police report sorry don't believe you don't

00:46:47.960 believe you go to criminal court go to criminal court and stop calling everything emotional abuse

00:46:52.440 it's just an argument get over it and and we and so now they then this is how women lie they lie

00:47:01.260 in the craziest way she'll put as the crowder's head inside and i showed this on a different live

00:47:07.820 stream steven angrier and angrier and by his own admission screams i will f you up at his pregnant

00:47:13.180 wife Hillary who then flees their home okay and then right after he said I'll I'll F you up because

00:47:18.960 she kept calling him abusive or something like that and he was like oh sorry sorry very different

00:47:23.920 than a threat right after Hillary said she by her own admission that he wasn't abusive she said this

00:47:32.200 in court and nobody's issued a retraction yet we we ruined this guy's reputation and it wasn't just

00:47:40.100 her it was like lauren it was a bunch of them without a second thought and just i was so

00:47:45.100 disappointed as a viewer anyways i i get really wired up like um riled up about that but it shows

00:47:52.040 this guy did everything right he got married he found a christian girl in church what else was he

00:47:57.040 supposed to do you know is is the guy on zoom yet yeah oh he is okay okay so now a lot of you guys

00:48:06.020 I tell these stories and everybody thinks I'm just making them up. Pearl, Pearl, Pearl, you are just

00:48:11.420 you're making this stuff up. You're you're just none of this is real. I mean, men should just go

00:48:19.500 to church, find a good Christian chick and just be godlike and lead. And if anything goes wrong

00:48:25.440 in the marriage, they should have just led better. Why didn't you lead better? So today I have a guy

00:48:32.580 who was divorced and I'm just going to ask him why he didn't lead better you know let's let's

00:48:38.800 welcome I have a special guest would you could you bring up the how do I do it I don't know how to do

00:48:44.920 it I'm sorry sorry guys sorry oh pastor Nick you know am I evil for this am I just the anti-marriage

00:49:00.780 feminist belief who's down a dark evil path is that me but let me let me go to pastor nick

00:49:11.680 yeah is he up is he ready okay pastor nick just lead better um hello hello how are you

00:49:23.660 i'm doing good who is just lead better right who who else is on just love more

00:49:31.960 oh that's steve okay hi steve stand hello yeah you deal with neck first okay or is he related

00:49:40.560 to the story too or no we just know each other okay i just didn't know because i was gonna put

00:49:46.640 him backstage until you were done but i didn't know if he's fine okay i have similar stories

00:49:52.180 okay okay i'll put you on next is that all right could you put him backstage for a second blessing

00:49:57.380 okay thank you okay so um yeah so why didn't i wanted to see if you could tell the story you

00:50:05.360 told me on the phone the other day and just i wanted to know it's all your fault you should

00:50:11.240 have just led better so i'll just start with that you should have led better you should have loved

00:50:16.300 more really is what they say you know you weren't loving enough you didn't sacrifice enough you know

00:50:22.280 you you know the ephesians 5 just beat the men over the head with that you're just not loving

00:50:27.620 enough you needed to be a servant leader oh yeah so so so why didn't you love that

00:50:33.460 i did whatever i could yeah i think it ended up actually help furthering the destruction of my

00:50:40.020 marriage really so yeah so okay so tell them first how you met your wife your ex-wife because

00:50:48.120 that's like the first thing they'll say is you just should have vetted better so where did you

00:50:52.220 meet her okay i met her online and she was a christian woman she had to pass i gave her a few

00:50:59.340 theological questions that she had to pass and then i wanted to meet her and i met her family

00:51:03.560 her dad was an elder in the church she was presbyterian reformed presbyterian like i was

00:51:07.780 reformed presbyterian very conservative very traditional um that's how we met okay um she

00:51:16.620 was way into me it was crazy like now that you think about it yeah uh she was way into me at

00:51:23.840 first so so she wanted to sorry what how old was she she was uh 22 okay so 22 church girl okay yep

00:51:37.780 so then what happened next well she was way into me she wanted arrested in marriage it was

00:51:44.040 all too agreeable at first she said she was a virgin but you know there's no evidence of that

00:51:49.300 granted there's reason there could be reasons for that but interesting a few months into our

00:51:53.300 marriage it should have been like the huge thing to get out but i didn't i found uh facebook

00:52:00.180 messages of sexting while we had been engaged with random dudes and ex-boyfriends and

00:52:05.200 suggesting that she was not had been doing things um you know the elder said you just

00:52:12.400 need to forgive her you just need to love her and forgive her move forward i did but then

00:52:17.620 it gets worse

00:52:20.260 um she didn't want the sex stopped pretty much stopped it's kind of like that oh every once

00:52:30.180 in a while, once in every month or two. And, you know, whenever I try to insist on something to

00:52:35.700 lead the family well, she'd call up the church elders, call up her dad. She'd try to jump up

00:52:41.720 the hierarchy to smash me down. And so basically the church leaders would white knight for a long

00:52:53.100 time. This even included one of my former mentors. And soon, about the same time, she started beating

00:52:59.920 me um and then it progressed to threats to kill herself with knives and holding a gun to her head

00:53:06.880 but then she would also beat herself up hitting things with her head and hands and then she would

00:53:12.880 call me abusive for trying to stop her from hitting me like i'd have to restrain her just to

00:53:19.840 get out of the room um then i gained weight so that probably didn't help either i tried working

00:53:26.880 through my marriage with others for years i'd get better i'd mature she'd still do the same crap

00:53:34.800 then around 2020 she started getting called out by friends and family for her deceit and lies

00:53:41.760 yet i still protected and believed her she started losing it with the kids

00:53:47.120 family was warning about her about trying to steal from my grandmother and the inheritance

00:53:53.120 my friends turned on me when i started to fight against feminism in the church

00:53:58.920 and i was being attacked as a pastor in the orthodox presbyterian church

00:54:03.180 for my stances standing up for my friends and standing against you know feminism well my

00:54:11.620 grandmother passed away the inheritance eventually came in all of a sudden she had a privacy screen

00:54:18.480 on her phone she would hold the phone away from me so i couldn't see it she would put her phone

00:54:24.400 you know face down um when she'd go to sleep then she started even of course there's virtually no

00:54:32.520 sex during this time but she would now refuse to even sleep in the same bed or room with me

00:54:38.800 she would go on trips without me she would delete her messages she would always hang up

00:54:45.640 she would hang up quickly when i sometimes came into the house or the room

00:54:49.420 and then she was involved with nasty women at women's bible study groups which i call gossip

00:54:56.500 groups with pastor's wife that seemed to despise me wait so she met a lot of these friends at the

00:55:03.640 women's groups at church oh yeah the churchly ladies wow pastors why didn't you but why didn't

00:55:10.440 you watch her friends i thought you were just supposed to just lead better i thought i was

00:55:15.620 doing the right thing i wanted her to have godly friends yeah no you should have just led more

00:55:20.560 sorry well i started to catch on but it was too late at that point yeah um it's not like you can

00:55:27.840 monitor every conversation she has no and and then i got counsel from the church we started

00:55:36.880 do counseling then she didn't like the counseling we're doing she admitted to the pastor that we're

00:55:41.140 going to counseling his fellow presbyter in that presbytery in south dakota she admitted to beating

00:55:45.820 me and then about a month probably about a month or two later the incident happened where i was

00:55:53.500 trying to do the advice that the uh pastor told us to do not to have sexual relations but to be

00:56:01.900 sexually intimate but not just he suggested slowly try to gradually to get back into that

00:56:08.860 and i i made an advance suggesting what the pastor suggested to do she rejected me i got pissed i

00:56:16.460 told her i'm out of here get the f out of the car i drove about an hour and a half away to go fishing

00:56:22.740 it was too cold so i didn't have the right equipment to go fishing this is south dakota

00:56:26.640 it's end of november it's cold so i i'm there i pray a little bit i chill out i come back i'm

00:56:32.940 calm in my right mind there's a car i drive by there's a car sitting at the house and the lights

00:56:39.940 are on and i'm like what's going on here i didn't know at the time apparently it wasn't another guy

00:56:45.280 but found out later but at that time i didn't know but i'm like this is weird so i just wait

00:56:51.220 for them to leave I come in and she's got this weird smile on her face and I have alarms going

00:57:00.760 off in my head so I took the phone as we had an agreement to check each other's phone whenever we

00:57:07.280 wanted she flipped out on me she started hitting me trying to tackle me the works as she usually

00:57:14.300 did and I did what I usually did I got the hell away from her I ran to the church and locked the

00:57:21.200 doors she didn't i don't think she had a key to the church

00:57:25.920 and while i was running away she started screaming help help help i'm like what is

00:57:32.600 wrong with you right apparently i think well i found out as i was going through her phone

00:57:37.680 that uh she had been trying to construct a history of abuse

00:57:43.060 um trying to establish a history of abuse with like her pastor friends and some of my

00:57:51.060 what i thought were my friends she was telling them things that were not entirely true or not

00:57:57.320 true at all twisting the facts they try to tell her to get out of they told her i'm abusive and

00:58:03.500 need to leave meanwhile i also found texts where she's trying to get me for like marital rape

00:58:09.100 or grape well i should probably shouldn't say that online but um all right all right

00:58:13.240 um where she was basically she i think i'm assuming it was about me where she was asking

00:58:19.320 about a rape kit to a friend in like louisiana and uh and her friend said that's not how it works

00:58:26.200 you consented to this it's not rape you can do okay do you say great do you say great do you say

00:58:31.480 great yeah sorry sorry yeah it's okay so she said you could do better yeah her friend told her you

00:58:39.000 could do better wow yeah and so like they were saying that because i was like why aren't she

00:58:46.280 we being intimate and her friends are saying that i'm being abusive for saying that it's wrong for

00:58:51.040 her to refuse continually refuse sexual intimacy what she was doing right and i was like okay so

00:58:58.200 police come in they invade the church somehow get in a locked door i have lasers pointed on my chest

00:59:04.480 and i'm thinking i'm gonna die i'm thinking they're gonna kill she got the police to come to

00:59:09.460 the church yeah they came into the church somehow they got a warrant from the jezebel judge the one

00:59:14.900 i defied um yeah they invaded the church i had lasers pointed at my chest and i they wanted me

00:59:22.340 to turn my back to them and all this stuff i wasn't going to do it i said no i'm just staying

00:59:26.620 still you can do what you need i'm not moving because i didn't want to i could be spastic and

00:59:31.540 i didn't want to make any other moves they had lasers on me i don't want to turn my back i don't

00:59:35.340 want to get shot so they hauled me off to jail i get out of jail i find out the next day that i had

00:59:43.160 $40,000 missing from my inheritance and had been taken from like the day that she, I wrongly gave

00:59:51.600 her the check to deposit, to set up an account in my name. $20,000 about was missing, missing

00:59:58.460 initially. Then like three months later, another transaction and a few months later to another

01:00:03.660 transaction transferred to some account that I don't know where it is.

01:00:06.680 wow so when did when did you was there more did you then i'm guessing you guys started

01:00:16.540 filing for divorce one of you

01:00:18.300 i don't know like um

01:00:22.420 but i she took the kids over a thousand miles away to louisiana while i was in south dakota

01:00:30.380 oh wow yeah and then i had the whole pending criminal trial and i was like i just moved

01:00:38.820 to texas and i was working in the oil and gas field and the lawyer said i don't think you

01:00:44.660 really want anything to do with my case he said look just plead to disorderly conduct nobody

01:00:49.880 really cares about this and not thinking i did that because at that point it had been like five

01:00:56.380 months since i even like seen or touched my kids i just wanted it to be over and how

01:01:00.300 tell the audience because I don't think you mentioned it how many kids you had I have seven

01:01:05.360 children so you you had seven kids for like what else could you have you found a girl in church

01:01:10.540 the same church you had seven children with her you know you you even forgave like cheating at

01:01:17.780 one point at the beginning it sounded like during the engagement and you forgave that you overlooked

01:01:23.160 that and now you you have a court case for so she got you on disorderly conduct for running away

01:01:31.760 from her when she was hitting you am i understanding it right yeah women judge the whole circuit in

01:01:36.920 south dakota is made up of women judges you can't expect women i don't think so women judges yeah

01:01:41.540 makes sense okay so i just wanted it to end i wanted to see my kids and then you had it so

01:01:47.980 then at that point you hadn't seen your kids in six months they were a thousand miles away

01:01:51.820 and i'm sure eight months total to finally see them in person wow and i'm sure she told everyone

01:01:57.620 in the community you were just an abuser oh yeah oh yeah she'd been she'd been constructing that

01:02:03.020 before it happened i've heard that a lot i've heard that a lot where they'll um the last guy

01:02:09.200 interviewed with that they did she she did it at school so because like they're more involved in

01:02:14.720 the community that's i guess what they'll do because they just have more time i guess well

01:02:20.000 Well, she had already had contacts with, like, other leaders in the community there and back home.

01:02:25.560 She was telling them all about me.

01:02:27.220 Some were police officers.

01:02:29.240 Wow.

01:02:31.000 One was the chief of the police.

01:02:32.900 One was a couple other head pastors.

01:02:37.460 That was deeply frustrated.

01:02:40.420 So then, like, what's your—so then after eight months, you went to court?

01:02:45.640 No, I just had a lawyer represent me.

01:02:49.100 Oh.

01:02:50.000 I'm going to go to court again because I purposely violated the order of the judge where she said I can't even, like, she extended the, like, do not contact because I wanted to, like, she extended the do not contact, so I still couldn't see my kids, basically.

01:03:08.000 And then she still said I couldn't have, like, any alcohol.

01:03:11.120 I'm like, wait, I'm a minister of the Lord Jesus Christ.

01:03:14.320 The sacraments are bread and wine, and I'm going to do that.

01:03:17.320 I don't care what you say.

01:03:18.760 I'm going to take it.

01:03:19.520 And if I need to, I'm going to serve it.

01:03:22.620 And, you know, they do not have the rights to usurp the crown rights of the Lord Jesus Christ.

01:03:28.980 So that's the Presbyterian in me.

01:03:30.460 We were very defiant about those things.

01:03:33.280 So I purposely defied the order of the judge and emailed to several ministers.

01:03:39.700 I got two weeks in jail for that.

01:03:42.120 You went two weeks in jail for serving?

01:03:44.180 Oh, yeah.

01:03:45.000 I reached 30 people.

01:03:46.480 It was good.

01:03:47.020 no that's actually so she there but that's the thing they try to take your livelihood

01:03:53.680 it's like you obviously loved being a minister and so that's oh yeah i admitted the ministry

01:03:59.200 in september so you what i'm no longer a minister i'm no longer a minister but i still help people

01:04:05.000 so oh wow how has this um affected has it affected your faith at all

01:04:10.240 i almost became an atheist a few months ago yeah i could imagine especially when you're going to

01:04:18.080 church leaders and then like that's the response they're getting man the ones that you think that

01:04:23.320 your friends are the ones telling you you're in sin you did wrong you you need to move to

01:04:29.500 louisiana be close to her and your kids i'm like and all my family's like saying do not do that

01:04:33.800 she will throw you in jail again wow so when's the last time you've seen your kids now

01:04:39.920 so i now i'm able to get them one weekend a month so i saw them last weekend wow how old's your

01:04:48.820 oldest she's 10 does she have any like inkling that the mom's crazy from what i've seen they

01:04:56.340 kind of figure it out around like 12 maybe that the mom's kind of nuts i don't know yeah i think

01:05:04.140 the younger one sees it but unfortunately i think the younger one the younger daughter so that's the

01:05:09.260 second oldest one she's unfortunately i start seeing the same crazy behavior in her like lately

01:05:15.800 so um so i i guess were there any like red flags and just because there's younger guys watching

01:05:27.020 this like what do you think there was anything you could have did to prevent the situation in

01:05:31.880 hindsight or like I wish I had the knowledge yeah that I have now I wish I read Rich Cooper's and

01:05:45.180 Rola Tomasi's book before I got married yeah I would have prevented a lot of this stuff I would

01:05:51.160 have never gotten with this woman they could have prevented a lot of things but sometimes

01:05:57.440 you don't know what you don't know and you learn the hard way how much money did you lose total

01:06:05.440 uh the inheritance i'm still trying to figure that out in court um so that's 40 and i've

01:06:11.600 probably spent i'm still going through the process so it's been over a year now

01:06:18.640 i've probably spent with all with all the different lawyers and everything probably another

01:06:23.760 i'd say 40 000 wow it's almost 100k i mean that guys the app to put that in context the average

01:06:32.100 person makes like 45k a year that's like two years salary so yeah um well thank you for coming on

01:06:40.860 and telling your story is there any other part that we missed that's like important

01:06:44.400 or anything you want to say to like the guys watching

01:06:46.800 fetch your women carefully

01:06:50.800 don't rush okay i'm gonna um we're gonna do the religion part later but i'm gonna bring on the

01:06:59.660 the next guy um but thank you thank you thanks for having me um someone said i went spent 200

01:07:07.520 okay i'm sorry what was your name i i can't hear him it might be us though let me see

01:07:16.800 so everyone keeps saying that because he's in good you can hear me yeah one second i'm going

01:07:23.340 to say one thing and i'm going to let you go so everyone keeps saying that because he's in good

01:07:28.200 spirits you know or he's like i keep seeing things in the chat that he's he's lying um that

01:07:36.560 what are we sorry i'm reading random stuff okay um people keep saying that he's lying in the chat

01:07:42.760 because he has it written down guys sometimes these court cases take years and there's so many

01:07:49.040 details to these stories that you have to kind of pick you know what stuff you're even going to talk

01:07:54.480 about because generally when i talk to guys there's so much we would be here all day um but

01:08:00.300 yeah i yeah so um just just because he's smiling that doesn't mean he's not

01:08:06.360 anyways so i'm sorry what was your name again steve sandman steve was it yes okay hi steve

01:08:16.100 welcome to the show so um i'm sorry i'm not overly familiar with your story so are you

01:08:23.080 involved in the church too um no i'm just a guy i was trained as a mechanical engineer worked in

01:08:32.360 happen now i'm a truck driver i've been twice divorced both times were really

01:08:39.640 be involved okay so i i was accused twice of having bad inclinations towards daughters oh

01:08:52.360 never accused of doing anything but bad inclinations oh so what what happened

01:09:03.820 well can we uh limit it to the second round that's yeah that's fine so what happened

01:09:10.540 oh you know i got divorced the first time it was horrendous and lost touch with my two adopted

01:09:19.920 daughters and i haven't seen them for 15 years and they're in their 20s now but you know they've kind

01:09:27.200 of bought the narrative and they have to to get along so the second time around i was involved

01:09:35.920 early on in the manuscript and the red pill world uh some of the early blogs background 2009 2010

01:09:46.560 and i married one of the women who was active on there you know vetted her pretty well she

01:09:54.400 had just become catholic and we talked about a lot of the serious things she was from canada

01:10:03.040 so she immigrated here and even though we thought you know we both believed the state marriage

01:10:09.840 wasn't perfect i had to do it so she could stay in the u.s and it worked pretty well happily married

01:10:21.200 uh since it was my second marriage and her second marriage and we were catholic uh at one point

01:10:29.200 she said well let's have this brother sister type marriage without sexual relations

01:10:34.880 okay because we were going to go through a moment and that took more than more time and effort and

01:10:44.240 it didn't happen immediately and so things kind of dissolved from there but

01:10:50.000 even though we still got along but never argued then all of a sudden um she wanted separation

01:10:59.040 and divorce and i think it was due to past guilt over and i put guilt in three areas

01:11:11.040 sexual partners reproductive guilt which is abortion or maybe things you did during pregnancy

01:11:20.240 and uh possibly a child with someone other than your previous husband those are the three things

01:11:29.760 that women lie about so anyway we went through a divorce once she filed didn't want any talk

01:11:38.880 didn't want any discussions with the priest to try and resolve things which i really wanted to do

01:11:46.240 um eventually uh she was lying about things i went back into marital home which was under her name

01:11:57.680 and i was eventually charged with uh felony burglary for that

01:12:05.520 and i eventually pled it down to trespassing but the point was by the law doesn't matter whose

01:12:13.600 name the houses in it's marital property during the until decided otherwise so i trespassed in

01:12:24.400 my own house well it was under her name but i paid all the taxes

01:12:30.960 so uh she had two daughters and yeah i think it resolves around uh

01:12:35.680 issues there. And you know what? Before we go any further, I choose not to hate them.

01:12:45.680 Because that's poison. That just poisons myself. And so, I don't want that.

01:12:56.620 So when did she accuse you of, I forgot the exact term you used, but something with the daughter?

01:13:03.480 well when we first started getting together at the time she accused me of talking to her

01:13:12.920 nine-year-old daughter about grape 10 years about nine years ago at the time wow and it was absurd

01:13:22.560 it didn't even make sense she went to talk to a priest the priest reported me to the authorities

01:13:29.280 nobody ever investigated the priest never told me about it i found out later i wrote to the bishop

01:13:37.360 saying hey i'd like an investigation here what happens he referred it to the uh the head pastor

01:13:45.840 the head priest of the parish and then nothing happened from there so uh then it went through

01:13:52.800 court and there are no catholic women in divorce court let me tell you that i've seen it no there's

01:14:01.540 no so catholics are not special catholics are because michael knowles is catholic he's saying

01:14:06.960 find you a special catholic woman yeah right hey remember uh eve was without sin

01:14:15.680 when when god created her for adam well it was a man roman at that time but yet she rebelled

01:14:24.600 right you know is the problem with women hypergamy or is it rebellion

01:14:30.600 so how much did you end up spending in the divorce and did you guys have um your own kids

01:14:39.800 together or no no so um you said when women lie it's about you said abortion

01:14:47.800 sexual partners and one other thing uh possibly a child with uh someone other than the previous

01:14:56.280 husband okay so and you said she had guilt from that well you know she had a child pre-born

01:15:05.080 premature she was poor at the time born in california premature probably cost the state

01:15:14.680 of california a million dollars when she went in she uh they wanted to do a blood test

01:15:22.680 she refused that and said well they wanted to do a blood test to see if there was drugs in my system

01:15:28.360 well they didn't find any drugs because they didn't do a drug test right and so okay that

01:15:38.580 was her excuse so do i know that anything happened no you have to read kind of read the tea leaves

01:15:45.980 when it comes to women i believe she was honest with me about her sexual past but you know women

01:15:53.460 carry you know these things causes guilt and why do women uh make false grape claims well it's guilt

01:16:04.740 so they don't have to take responsibility is it just limited to those bad women or

01:16:12.260 is it possible that with the history of women these days who have a past there are hidden

01:16:23.460 Hidden baggage.

01:16:27.220 What would you recommend to young guys that want to avoid that kind of situation?

01:16:34.060 Is there any way to prevent it?

01:16:37.200 Let me see.

01:16:38.180 I made three comments because I watched your interview with Michael Knowles.

01:16:44.060 Yeah, find a woman.

01:16:45.800 Okay, they always say find a religious woman.

01:16:48.680 Find a woman in church.

01:16:49.680 well okay that's kind of good but more importantly find a woman that can be led

01:16:58.080 so that's my first thing and then figure out that there could be these sexual or these

01:17:06.500 this hidden baggage and guilt can really drive a woman to do things because she doesn't want to be

01:17:15.560 accountable she has shame what would happen if if someone found out in in the church atmosphere

01:17:23.260 or whatever that's why sometimes religious or even catholic women could be worse because they

01:17:30.080 need an excuse to say man bad um and then you know your your idea of a prenuptial agreement

01:17:40.000 and michael knoll said no prenup well let's find a common ground you know prenup is viewed as a

01:17:49.600 uh what happens in the event of a divorce how about you sign a nuptial agreement

01:17:58.640 which defines traditional marriage as to what the man does and what the woman does and then what

01:18:05.920 yeah what the repercussions are in a divorce but it's not a prenup it's just affirmation of a

01:18:14.160 nuptial agreement that counters the civil law and really why does the catholic church

01:18:27.120 let the state be a gatekeeper to the sacrament of marriage i i have i think they get money or some

01:18:33.840 sort of kickback that's the only thing that makes sense to me oh it's simpler than that they want

01:18:39.280 to be good americans because catholics were persecuted or discriminated against let's not

01:18:45.920 say persecuted discriminated against so they wanted to be good americans so they want to be a law

01:18:51.680 abiding and that's what the bishops went with and so they have allowed the state

01:18:58.320 you have to get a marriage license to get the sacrament of marriage therefore the state

01:19:06.080 is a gatekeeper to a sacrament now i know not all christians believe it's a sacrament

01:19:12.720 but still the gate this state is a gatekeeper yeah no i i agree with you uh so how

01:19:28.320 How did that whole situation, like, affect your life?

01:19:32.280 Like, how long did that whole process take?

01:19:34.980 How did it affect your reputation?

01:19:36.580 Like, what happened?

01:19:38.420 Well, the second marriage, it took a couple years.

01:19:42.760 I don't know.

01:19:43.240 I probably spent $35,000, $40,000.

01:19:46.280 She got an unequal distribution.

01:19:50.080 But, hey, I didn't get any spousal support or any child support for the second time around.

01:19:56.460 and now i get to keep my money yeah and i'm doing pretty well okay you know what life is not about

01:20:06.020 making a lot of money sometimes life is about adventures yeah and we never learn things

01:20:12.780 until it's too hard not to learn well thank you for calling in and telling your story

01:20:19.960 thanks i um is there someone else in the waiting room blessing or no

01:20:24.800 if glenn in the way okay you can bring up glenn

01:20:28.520 um thanks bro hello glenn glenn you've been like on everything lately everywhere and everything

01:20:37.640 yeah i've kind of been all over the place haven't i um so tell them about how you could have led

01:20:47.580 better oh man like and you're you're only if only if i was just a better servant leader like only if

01:20:58.740 like i could just like do like use my leadership ability to serve my ex-wife and her cheating ways

01:21:07.620 better like if i would have just said you know what babe i get it i would cheat on me too you

01:21:13.840 know and you you were right for doing so yeah and it's okay you know like that that's basically what

01:21:21.540 they want you to do you know um i have several clips from the video of you and michael knowles

01:21:30.180 we can that oh sorry god that like you know really just really chaps my you know hide here

01:21:40.320 because he talks about things as if they are not realistic like divorce was not realistic one

01:21:50.560 god divorced israel for their ways like he didn't want to acknowledge that during the debate i want

01:21:57.720 you to know that because i brought that up to him during the show you know it's like this saying

01:22:02.400 that divorce is not acceptable no it's god doesn't like it but you know what men were able to serve

01:22:09.260 wife letters of divorce it wasn't the other way around you know back in the day and there was a

01:22:16.060 standard how can men lead they said how does men could lead be better that's what michael

01:22:20.940 noel says just lead better be a better leader well in order to lead you have to have authority

01:22:26.220 in order to leave you have to have respect and the position and the capability of those underneath you

01:22:33.580 for them to follow you or they face consequence right but today marriage is a joke it is it's sad

01:22:41.020 because i believe in marriage but as you said i can't support the way that we do marriage today

01:22:47.260 one it's not even biblical i don't even know why michael knolls would even assume

01:22:51.180 that today's way that we do marriage is biblical

01:22:56.460 no and that's why i was getting a bit frustrated because i i sometimes feel like when i talk to

01:23:00.780 to trad cons that are in la la land and i don't know i don't think it's intentional you know i

01:23:05.800 i go into good into things in good faith i i assume that this is just because it goes against

01:23:11.660 like um an ego belief or it's just like you know they're really into their religion or whatever but

01:23:17.240 i i just was questioning how could you go on whatever podcast and just even in nashville i

01:23:23.160 mean we were interviewing girls downtown i'm like i'm like uh are you are you guys blind like you

01:23:30.420 don't you don't see this you know and even that he admitted he knows people that have been divorced

01:23:36.020 and gone through really messy divorces and i just i just questioned how they don't you know i had a

01:23:42.260 different opinion when i started this whole thing i didn't understand why men were so anti-marriage

01:23:46.500 but i'm not blind you know um it said that like most of the time he kept on saying that you know

01:23:54.960 well the reason why women are the way women are is because you can't blame women for their sins

01:24:00.520 no part of it's society's fault it's the teacher's fault it's the culture's fault

01:24:06.420 and it's like hey do you give men that same pass or is it just for women

01:24:11.020 because i don't ever hear him saying you know men men get a pass for the way they are because

01:24:19.160 society and culture taught them okay no that's true so question do you want to go through your

01:24:26.860 story first of like what happened to you and then um i don't know if you did you were the clips would

01:24:33.360 they be helpful to your story or is that more for when we go through the religious stuff oh that's

01:24:38.180 when we decide to go through everything i just prep them all okay great so first i think we're

01:24:42.900 gonna i want you to tell them your the story of your divorce um tell them what happened tell them

01:24:50.660 about the divorce how much you spent your relationship with your kids and then um we'll

01:24:57.260 go through the the other we can bring them back on right for the other part yeah good okay yeah

01:25:04.740 um so I was married for 13 years well 14 years total um I met my my wife my ex-wife at church

01:25:18.020 now mind you I did come in hungover I was at the bar the night before with my buddies

01:25:23.560 and we were tore up and like like I was hungover and all I remember the pastor saying was something

01:25:30.760 about temptation and then she walked by and then remember that thing i told you i jumped into it

01:25:35.840 i wasn't lying um so we got together things seemed to be going good in the beginning

01:25:42.360 and then things started changing like she she she had a son so i was the stepdad i did that

01:25:49.100 whole role like i was that blue-pilled and um when i realized like there was a lot of problems with

01:25:56.260 this with the stepchild and the and the ex-husband and that all these dynamics it played a real

01:26:02.380 negative effect on our household and i was just trying to get some guidance here some some stability

01:26:10.960 and um there was a lot of undermining a lot of you know just going behind my back type of stuff

01:26:18.800 and that caused a lot of problems that causes some distance which when i got out of the military

01:26:25.360 she decided she wanted to go into the military so she joined the navy and um i didn't really

01:26:34.260 think anything of it back then now i would tell anybody that don't marry any woman in the navy

01:26:40.040 because all of them i heard they become boat hoes they go out to deployment and the next thing you

01:26:46.180 know they got a ship husband and you know they got a whole bunch of ship dick all over the place

01:26:51.580 um because there are few women on the ship and um so she had three affairs and i found out about

01:26:59.860 all three affairs when i found out about the last one oh and the whole time she was telling

01:27:07.660 our pastor that she thought i was having an affair and so my pastor who was who i was working

01:27:15.660 underneath i was the um the acting associate pastor but mainly just my world was the youth pastor

01:27:22.860 and i would fill in for him when he was gone so i was really the only one would preach besides him

01:27:29.580 so when he told me i needed to step down

01:27:32.780 you know to take care of some personal matters

01:27:36.820 i then tell him about her affairs and then i'm having i i don't know i can't deal with this

01:27:43.780 and he's like well you need to forgive her and he ends up referencing the story of hosea in the

01:27:51.760 bible now hosea you know there's a story about this guy that god told him to marry a prostitute

01:27:58.580 who ended up cheating on him multiple times and that he took her back over and over again

01:28:02.920 it's symbolic to represent how god forgives us and takes us back all the times we sin

01:28:08.660 right and um i was like i can't do that so they made me step down from pastoral ministries

01:28:16.460 as a youth pastor but they put the cheating wife in my place so they rewarded her

01:28:26.580 they had what yeah okay so that was when i left the church and then um i filed

01:28:35.980 and what she did was she she had me um detained and then um i was had a restraining order

01:28:49.080 since i had a fine i have guns i have lots of guns and since i had a gun i was cleaning a gun

01:28:54.900 on the table when the police came in and my son was in his room um they said my gun was uh it was

01:29:03.660 open and he it was you know within reach of a child not locked well i was like yeah it's not

01:29:09.320 locked because i'm cleaning it and the reason why it's on still on the table is because i haven't

01:29:14.060 put it up and you guys have me in handcuffs so it's not me doing child endangerment it's you

01:29:18.940 doing child endangerment so they put a child endangerment clause on me and i had to wait

01:29:24.660 like so many months to get that cleared off and once they finally cleared that off it was like

01:29:31.200 four or five months later and i haven't seen my son and then by that time she already poisoned

01:29:37.900 the well you know which i think she was already doing prior to right and um even to this day like

01:29:45.640 i i love my son but unfortunately me and my son have not yet had a conversation because

01:29:51.900 child parental alienation um i did pay a lot of money for a good lawyer to uh you know fight the

01:30:02.680 case um we were able to prove parental alienation which is something really hard to do

01:30:08.740 and um but still it's like i don't care that that i won that case i lost my son in the process

01:30:16.220 you know my son now is um 16 years old and you know he's in that very you know very important

01:30:27.020 time in his life where a strong father figure role was what he needs but he doesn't have that

01:30:33.120 you know when um he was living with me he had straight a's he was actually

01:30:39.180 captain of his football team he was doing great in jujitsu now he won the presidential award at

01:30:46.740 a school now he's failing classes barely going to school you know just a mess and you report this

01:30:55.660 all the time where it's like children raised under their father do way better than children

01:31:02.800 raising their mother and i i personally have a you know you know evidence of that

01:31:09.280 but it's sad because you know at this point all i could do is just wait for when he's of age

01:31:16.400 and he comes around and there's no support from the church

01:31:20.920 what's it like having how how many years has it been since you've seen your son

01:31:28.420 three years three years

01:31:33.220 what what's it like not being able to watch like what he's doing and almost protect him

01:31:42.640 um it's a nightmare so mind you like i i've until the divorce i've never been away from him

01:31:53.400 wow um my ex was the one that would get deployed because i was already out of the military

01:32:00.400 so she would go out to deployment you know nine months here nine months there

01:32:05.640 11 months here you know i mean so it was always dead dad had everything i was his hero like

01:32:13.080 everything was dead you know it's funny because he would write his stories in his you know class

01:32:18.280 in his first grade and his his stories always had my dad so it'd be like my friend runs fast

01:32:24.760 my friend runs fast my dad runs faster it's like everything was my dad so it's like i hate the

01:32:34.220 holiday season because i used to love the holiday season because we used to do all these stupid

01:32:39.320 things we used to go down to seattle to get our coffee when we lived out there and we'll get our

01:32:44.340 hot chocolate right there by the first starbucks and then we would do all these little things we

01:32:48.980 would walk to the children's museum and then we would just do all these little ventures that i

01:32:53.700 would do with him you know go camping just boy stuff and every time the holidays come around i

01:33:01.480 just go i don't celebrate them there's no point because when i think about them i think about

01:33:07.240 my time with my son and the time that i'm now being robbed of that's what i find in these

01:33:13.940 interviews is that men the money is very much secondary what the i mean the hardest part is

01:33:20.600 losing time with your children that you won't get back how do you keep such you have such a

01:33:26.000 positive attitude just like knowing you personally how do you keep such a positive attitude when you

01:33:32.060 haven't seen your children in three years um there's there's a scripture and paul writes you

01:33:40.160 know i could do all things through christ who strengthens me and it's no i'm not gonna lift

01:33:44.620 a thousand pounds because i want to that's not what it means but it means that i'm content in

01:33:49.660 all situations no matter what i'm going through it's not my strength that i get through it it's

01:33:54.620 it's god's somehow god gives me the strength to endure and to push on and whether my son watches

01:34:03.020 these videos or he watches my stuff or watches your stuff and sees me on here he knows i'm always

01:34:08.180 talking about him he knows that i miss him he knows that i want to be in his life you know like

01:34:12.460 and that's hope there's hope there eventually you know there will come a time because i've

01:34:19.240 been through this myself like my mom kept me from my dad i've lived this i already lived this once

01:34:24.680 as a child so i know what it's like and i remember when i finally got came to my dad and i had that

01:34:32.260 hard-to-heart conversation with him and learn the truth i was like okay and me and my dad are best

01:34:39.340 friends i talk to my dad every single day like i i me and my dad go to the gym i don't even talk

01:34:47.000 to my mom you don't want to talk to the devil anyways you know jesse lee peterson says the

01:34:53.660 devil's in all women that we all have evil in us you know you might not get this joke you may not

01:34:59.800 get this joke but in like 19 i think 64 i think steve will probably get this because he's old

01:35:04.140 as hell um but like in 1964 there was this horror movie called rosemary's baby right and it was about

01:35:13.020 like the antichrist right being born well my grandmother's name was rosemary so my mom is

01:35:21.940 the antichrist i swear to you i kid you not no and this one this is what frustrates me with the

01:35:28.640 trad cons i just i i think there was parts in that interview where people just said like pearl

01:35:34.040 you keep interrupting or you're getting frustrated and i get it i totally i totally was but it's

01:35:38.940 because they have no idea how dangerous what they're pushing is telling a young man to get

01:35:46.520 married young with no prenup uh no sexual experience with women or no experience really

01:35:54.240 with women because you're young um no precautions no dna tests that's dangerous oh that is so

01:36:04.560 because i've seen like i mean i i've interviewed so many men on the other side and i just i i see

01:36:10.920 so many like i've interviewed a guy in pretty much every situation i've interviewed men that

01:36:16.880 got a eastern European chick. I interviewed men that got a Japanese chick. I've interviewed men

01:36:24.520 that got a homeschooled chick. I've interviewed men that married Catholic women, virgin women,

01:36:30.480 Christian women, whores, single mother. Like I have seen it all and they all think I'm just being

01:36:36.380 a doomer, but I'm just like, guys, you are downplaying how serious this is. And that's where

01:36:44.600 i get i get frustrated sometimes well it's like they don't realize it until they're in that

01:36:50.700 position yeah that's the sad thing because i was the same way i remember sitting there

01:36:56.140 with the pastor when like observing counseling for couples because you know we always had somebody

01:37:01.940 sit in with them and i'm thinking like yeah what the hell's wrong with this guy why does he just

01:37:08.180 do it right like like it can't be his wife his wife can't be the problem he has to be the problem

01:37:13.820 it's almost like we're taught or programmed this and until you are actually put in that position

01:37:20.540 you're like well wait a minute guys i swear i'm i i'm not the one that's guilty here you know but

01:37:26.300 like i told you and i think i said this with when we were over at jason's uh jason whitlock's um

01:37:31.900 studio um there's a difference between responsibility and fault as men we always

01:37:39.660 will have the responsibility to act but if we're not always at fault

01:37:49.980 what what's the difference well responsibility is like if your wife cheats on you

01:37:55.900 you have the responsibility to make a decision

01:38:00.300 right and you have to ask yourself one if you choose to stay with her can you forgive her can

01:38:07.260 you still look at her the same way as you did before if you can't and you know you can't

01:38:16.060 then staying in that relationship is probably going to do more damage in the long run to your

01:38:20.460 children and to her and if you have any amount of love for her maybe knowing that your heart is as

01:38:28.060 hard as it is towards her maybe you're doing better off just ending that relationship because

01:38:33.740 of the affair instead of trying to force it to work instead of trying to force it to you know

01:38:38.780 to stay stick it out for the kids because if you want your children to see what two loving parents

01:38:44.860 is sometimes making that loving sacrifice is you know what knowing when knowing when to let it go

01:38:50.440 when there's something that egregious like infidelity knowing that you're never going to

01:38:55.720 be able to trust that person again now you're teaching your children to have these trust issues

01:39:00.440 and you know to have harbor this resentment towards your to towards their mother or their

01:39:06.240 father and i don't think that's probably the best thing that we should do right um so what clips

01:39:14.000 did did you see my someone just asked your opinion on crowder did you agree with my analysis of that

01:39:20.060 or no did you see it oh yeah i did i did i did agree with it i just i didn't i was so disappointed

01:39:25.580 in the track i've just never been so disappointed as a viewer i just was like yeah how did none of

01:39:31.920 you catch that but whatever um okay let's bring up the other guys and then what's the first clip

01:39:38.020 that you want i can pull it up on my laptop or blessing do you go sorry go ahead i put i already

01:39:44.100 cut them but i can give you the time stamps you want the time yeah just give me the blessing you

01:39:47.980 want me to pull it up on my laptop or is it better for you to do it i can do it on your left okay my

01:39:52.540 laptop yeah that's fine so i'll go to your thoughts exactly yes yes and guys it's okay as reporters

01:40:00.040 we are bound to get some stuff wrong okay it's just gonna happen but the fact that it's been

01:40:05.640 like 10 months no retraction it just it just is mind-blowing to me get over it no i won't i used

01:40:12.020 to love watching both of them um okay let me so the first one is um all right we'll start in the

01:40:18.800 beginning 12 minutes and 56 seconds in okay let me which is i actually wanted to cut

01:40:25.740 okay okay 12 minutes in 12 minutes and 56 seconds in

01:40:36.700 so okay and you can bring on oh the other guys are back okay great um all right 12 minutes

01:40:45.520 you are telling men at the very

01:40:48.880 all right I'm at 12 55 um cool okay we're gonna tell what what time stamp do you want me to end

01:41:01.280 it at um 1502 at 1502 okay I'm gonna play it you guys are gonna go off the screen and then you'll

01:41:09.020 come back. Okay. You're observing that it is not advisable today in 2024 to get married.

01:41:20.180 I would say that every man has to pick for himself. But I think objectively,

01:41:24.500 if me and you sign a contract and one of us is paid to leave, you would never sign that business

01:41:30.600 deal. You would never sign it. I did, right. If you're saying that's the state of marriage now,

01:41:36.140 I did get married therefore I did sign it okay well congratulations but I think a lot a lot of

01:41:41.760 men are going to be hesitant to do that and you're saying it's yeah it's rational for them to be

01:41:46.600 hesitant yeah so you're saying it's advisable no not advisable but every man like okay what's the

01:41:55.700 I'll give you an example you I'm not here I think men have had enough of women telling them what to

01:42:01.160 do. I'm not telling men to do anything, but I think your situation is going to be completely

01:42:06.840 different than the average Joe making $45,000 a year. If your marriage goes south, you have the

01:42:13.320 money to afford lawyers. I have the money, but I'm going to lose half my money. What? Do you think

01:42:19.920 you're in the same position as the average man making $45,000 a year? The answer is no. The answer

01:42:25.340 is no. I don't think it's because of my money, though. You know what? I think it's because,

01:42:28.920 well look when I got married I didn't have a lot of money but now I have more

01:42:31.920 money but I I think there's a bigger distinction I'm getting annoyed you know

01:42:34.920 what I'm saying why are you pretending you don't sorry I'm done which is I am

01:42:42.100 of a religious view and practice that does not recognize the reality of

01:42:47.160 divorce not only do we discourage it now you know I'm a mackerel snapping papist

01:42:52.160 a member of the Catholic faith I'm Catholic too you're Catholic also I'm

01:42:55.800 also Catholic so marvelous yeah yeah we do not Catholics are not immune to

01:43:02.000 divorce I have seen it I've seen I've seen people getting married for the

01:43:05.340 second time they still get communion and the number of annulments is that's not

01:43:09.000 listen the number it's it's but that's a great but that's no but I know but it

01:43:13.560 doesn't matter because it happens all the time but you can and so no it's

01:43:17.520 totally I see someone who calls us a record we have a record number of

01:43:21.300 annulments this year in the Catholic Church you cannot the Catholic Church is

01:43:25.260 getting more lit you you see the Pope and I think we could agree on this the

01:43:29.440 Pope for you know all of the liberal statements that have appeared in the

01:43:35.280 press under his name that the Pope is generally pretty good on matters of sex

01:43:39.760 and pretty clear when you say you know Catholics get divorced it has happened

01:43:46.920 there's a distinction it's around I looked it up before this it's around 25

01:43:51.020 35 that's how yeah it's it's around yeah it's around 35 percent and so that's a

01:43:55.700 national percentage what's the national it's like 45% roughly so well I 2024 it

01:44:01.640 was 50 I know I was sorry I thought I thought you said to 15 55 was that right

01:44:07.880 15 02 oh shit sorry sorry no worries so um what I was trying to get out with

01:44:15.620 that is that like he tried to say like well the difference between him and it's

01:44:20.300 not the money um it was um he's more god his faith yes his faith and that's great like yes

01:44:30.580 prayer changes god could do amazing things we know that's true okay like literally it's true

01:44:39.560 god we know you know what out of all the people in the world you and i have connected and we

01:44:44.360 became friends and we have worked together is that by mere coincidence or could god have

01:44:48.740 divine intervention that the whole ordeal who knows i would like to think that it's a blessing

01:44:54.280 you know that our paths crossed and we became friends and worked together so well that's a

01:44:58.500 blessing that could have been from god so it's like to say that we don't like i met nick and

01:45:03.120 steve they all they're part of my group you know like that that could be a blessing from god to

01:45:08.040 say that like god may not have had his hand in it it would be silly so to say that god you know

01:45:12.900 prayer can't change things and that god cannot do things is is that will be ridiculous but that

01:45:19.640 doesn't necessarily mean you could pray against someone else's will so if nick's will is not to

01:45:26.620 do what he's ought to do regardless if i'm praying for him to do what he ought to do that doesn't

01:45:31.680 necessarily mean that's going to happen yeah and that's what i was trying to say i'm like have you

01:45:35.380 have you never had a woman leave you i'm like you cannot just say anything we are not rational

01:45:40.360 i'm like we'll make up i see girls on tiktok saying they want to leave because

01:45:45.500 i don't know they want to find themselves what the fuck does that mean sorry potty mouth but

01:45:50.700 it's like what the i'm like it's not a rational thing it's not like the women are really considering

01:45:57.980 god when they're breaking up their family you know but but i'll just i'm just i'm just a feminist

01:46:06.140 i had an elder in the church so i had an elder in the church when they first started learning that

01:46:12.540 i was having issues with my ex and he noted how like before they had dealt with this it's like

01:46:18.660 no matter what they do the woman gets it in her mind to leave there's almost nothing they can do

01:46:24.000 to stop it yeah i agree and unfortunately that uh that was correct

01:46:32.900 so

01:46:36.760 you know so the next clip i wanted to go to pearl hey can i interrupt here oh yeah go ahead steve

01:46:46.500 i wanted to point out what i think michael knowles big blind spot is

01:46:53.340 and okay his he believes that reason logic and discipline govern both men and women

01:47:08.040 and pearl pointed this out the reality is that women act and decide based on feelings and not

01:47:16.860 reason uh you know that's where everything it's the what ought to be versus what is and just go

01:47:27.980 to proverbs 14. the wise woman builds her house but the foolish pulls it down with her own hands

01:47:34.780 what's happening in our what's happening in marriage and divorce the woman is tearing down her house

01:47:41.020 go ahead tell that to my ex before crap happened it didn't go over well

01:47:48.960 well i'm like i'm like ladies okay this is to the women the like two women watching this show

01:47:57.280 um come on haven't you guys ever been pissed haven't you guys ever been real pissed about

01:48:02.400 something now if you're watching this i've noticed that when women come up to me it's

01:48:06.500 generally younger women so maybe you guys are a young woman i don't know doubt it but who knows

01:48:10.400 maybe there's like one in the chat have you ever calmed down and realized you were wrong

01:48:16.340 or just completely irrational and you just had a complete like come on come like can we just be

01:48:23.400 real here we're not we're not rational beings I mean look at our spending habits we spend money

01:48:29.580 on the like we all went and ran to that target to spend like a thousand dollars on a cup or five

01:48:35.340 you guys know what i'm talking about what why would it be different in marriage and relationships

01:48:40.380 why would it we don't make rational decisions in any other area of our life we get like gender

01:48:47.160 fluid studies degrees anyways um what's i just wonder i just i have a question like pearl like

01:48:55.380 why do women take women's studies like y'all y'all women y'all should know about yourselves like i

01:49:00.580 understand like men taking women's studies trying to learn more about the we're trying to understand

01:49:04.680 ourselves okay that's a side note we had to we had to find ourselves so we found ourselves in the

01:49:11.480 women's studies apparently apparently okay what's the next one i'm not going to go through all of

01:49:18.020 them because there's like i have like 12 but i'll hop around um let's go to uh 150

01:49:25.820 one hour 50 minutes yeah one hour and 50 minutes and end at one hour and 54 minutes

01:49:33.240 the reason i said i guess i'm liberal in that one we need to clip that because that's ridiculous

01:49:39.940 no you're biblical on that one i'm i'm like okay okay i have to be honest guys i think

01:49:45.400 i think this conversation made me want to be catholic less because i'm like if that's the

01:49:50.680 teaching catholicism says for you have to stay with someone who committed fraud that's the most

01:49:58.940 ridiculous thing i've ever heard and i don't know if michael knolls study went to any you know

01:50:05.360 seminary or studied you can just call me not catholic enough it's fine yeah i i just don't

01:50:11.280 know if he's ever studied any theology or you know other than being a layman in church because

01:50:16.880 you got two guys that have graduated in theology here okay you got nick who was a pastor for the

01:50:24.700 presbyterians and i graduated at liberty for theology and say you know it's like no first of

01:50:31.180 all it does say jesus or god didn't want divorce but he said because the hardness of a heart you

01:50:37.420 know um moses allowed you to issue your wife divorce for sexual immorality not adultery not

01:50:45.260 pornea it was sexual immorality and sexual immorality is an umbrella term that actually

01:50:50.980 means a lot more than just adultery but adultery being the one one of the main things now mind you

01:50:57.940 it was also that only a man could divorce his wife for adultery a wife could not divorce her

01:51:04.420 husband for adultery only a man could serve his wife the letter of divorce now god also divorced

01:51:12.980 israel and we see that in isaiah for what nick please pastor nick give it to me

01:51:21.460 what about isaiah why did god the issue isa uh the israel divorce oh because they're uh spreading

01:51:30.260 their legs on every high hill oh that's ezekiel but uh but yeah they they rejected me yeah so

01:51:37.780 they were worshiping other idols which was basically adultery right okay so even god

01:51:48.020 divorced the nation of israel for adultery okay and then he forgets the fact that like even paul

01:51:55.860 writes about um you're able to divorce if your spouse is a non-believer and they abandon you

01:52:02.900 you then you're free from that yoke so he doesn't acknowledge either one of those two passages

01:52:10.320 the problem i get to with going on the like with the i call them the bible thumpers no offense

01:52:16.260 guys um but but it's like okay if i give them a scripture they're just going to tell me some

01:52:23.180 interpretation of something like if i go down all these arguments you know like even what he was

01:52:29.660 talking about i'm like i don't even what when you said that that during the debate i'm like uh-huh

01:52:37.740 you know there's nothing new at the end of the day michael knolls is fine with his son being a cuck

01:52:42.700 and you know being a cuckold and that's okay with him i would say divorce and i'm pretty sure

01:52:52.460 the magisterium is wrong but i couldn't tell you that for a fact sitting here but

01:52:58.380 but that I don't think that's the magisterium's view of divorce.

01:53:04.160 I think they've always allowed adultery as a reason for divorce.

01:53:09.000 I mean, because it says it quite clearly in scripture and as well.

01:53:15.300 This is really interesting.

01:53:17.020 If it's not repeated, it's still there.

01:53:19.520 This is really interesting because I, well, a couple of weeks ago,

01:53:23.360 i sent glenn a podcast on going through the church fathers and their discussion of this issue

01:53:31.220 and it's been talked about for oh well 2 000 years and you know

01:53:39.380 it is we're not new here and you know what pearl's idea of the a nuptial agreement

01:53:49.300 I don't want to use the word prenup, a nuptial agreement with getting genetic testing.

01:53:56.580 I think that's a good idea, because if you do it at that point, it's not calling into doubt anything.

01:54:05.260 It's not accusing anybody of anything. It's just saying, here's the law.

01:54:09.740 I mean, my dad, my dad would always say trust, but verify with like what's wrong with trusting, but verifying.

01:54:15.940 but let's recognize this force will be used in marriage now call it force or enforcement or

01:54:25.380 whatever someone has the power and it can be either the woman or the man now our civil law

01:54:33.220 gives the power to the woman and then she will use it and oftentimes it's against men

01:54:41.140 or you can have a man have the power well he's the head of the household and then go back to

01:54:48.040 proverbs 14 the wise woman builds her house but the foolish pulls it down with her hands

01:54:53.660 give the authority to a woman what's she gonna do with it destroy that's my experience

01:55:00.580 well I mean and Michael Knowles seems to try to like be a logical person and rational person

01:55:06.380 so i'm gonna like argue him rationally i guarantee you this that he does not know what goes on with

01:55:14.020 that pussy of his wife 24 hours a day i guarantee you he's not always watching it i guarantee you

01:55:20.040 he's not always in it i guarantee you he's not like has a camera on it when he's away at work

01:55:25.140 or when he's traveling doing a speech he doesn't know what's going on with it he has to trust her

01:55:29.880 and hope that nothing is going in there now who knows whose baby that is in her belly

01:55:35.260 only the wife knows for a hundred percent fact that that baby is hers the man doesn't

01:55:41.640 so why wouldn't it just be easy just to put a blank in a law saying that all babies need to

01:55:50.960 get a paternity test hey glenn i have a question for you that just puts everybody on the equal

01:55:56.760 honest playing field do you know that the singer neo got conned for um raising a kid or paying

01:56:04.200 child support for a child that it wasn't his and he didn't find out two years later

01:56:08.360 hey glenn i have a question for you yeah okay you know at the end of the ephesians 5 nasty

01:56:17.140 stuff that we shouldn't talk about doesn't say a woman should respect her man her husband

01:56:24.860 and a husband should love his wife now where where does it say that the husband should trust

01:56:35.420 his wife where's that in the bible doesn't say that you know it says it's a good thing

01:56:42.320 we know we shouldn't listen to our wives you know we shouldn't listen to our wives because

01:56:46.840 you know in genesis why did adam get in trouble what did god say to adam in genesis

01:56:53.200 because you listened to your wife and ate the fruit that i told you not to

01:56:58.560 see we're all in this mess because adam decided to listen to his wife to begin with

01:57:02.900 so when she says it's yours don't believe her guys guys we have a thousand likes in here

01:57:11.500 there's a thousand three hundred of you in here we should have a thousand three hundred likes

01:57:16.000 please don't please don't i'm sorry i just i needed to say that i i this is disrespectful

01:57:22.340 we're demonetized we're putting on the show for free free hit that like button immediately thank

01:57:28.500 you thank you um you know it's funny you know it's funny pearl that he your suggestions that you made

01:57:34.980 were all suggestions that he actually ended up making too no yeah he said like you know reform

01:57:42.260 the marriage laws you know like you said we need to you know reform the laws and he's like yeah

01:57:47.540 i was getting so frustrated because it kept going back to morality and sometimes i just want to say

01:57:53.300 i'm an i'm an atheist in arguments not because i am not because i wish to be but it would just be

01:57:58.900 easier but god i'm an atheist so can we stick to the laws but god i'm sorry i mean like it would

01:58:04.740 just be easier like then i wouldn't have to keep going back to my religion my religion my religion

01:58:10.020 it's just so frustrating but i just wonder like if that baby that she has if it came out black

01:58:17.540 for whatever reason if he would still have the same opinion

01:58:22.500 i'm just wondering i'm just asking for a friend

01:58:27.300 i don't know i don't know you know what pearl i put a it's interesting watching i didn't watch

01:58:36.060 back any of it until this stream because i don't i get my sometimes when people roast me really

01:58:43.220 hard it hurts my feelings so i'll avoid it i didn't really want to see the like comments or

01:58:47.700 anything um but it's interesting watching back i didn't realize like what he was doing that

01:58:53.320 whole debate every time i'd start making a point he would just interrupt me like every time and

01:58:57.880 he would just change the topic and i didn't really realize it until like watching it back

01:59:02.700 so yeah so you are not that far apart do you see do you see the link in the chat now this is a this

01:59:11.800 this this video that i put up there i just want you to play like the first few minutes of it

01:59:16.020 it is literally the complete contrast of michael knowles and it's a pastor that literally is

01:59:24.440 calling calling things out like he's supposed to right literally it's in the chat could you

01:59:29.800 send it to me on twitter and i'll pull it up um hi welcome to the show welcome back hey there

01:59:37.220 um do you want me um do you want to introduce yourself to the people yeah yeah sure my name's

01:59:44.900 shah i have a channel this is shah and uh i worked at a child support agency for five years i was a

01:59:50.320 child support officer i did the genetic tests i was the person coming after people's money

01:59:54.740 getting the judgment set and uh making the phone calls and doing bank levies and all that

01:59:59.780 so you were the guy that i would dodge yeah i want to apologize on behalf of the child support

02:00:07.940 agency to if they ever got you but uh yeah i didn't want to interrupt you glenn i know you're

02:00:14.020 saying something and after that maybe i can uh elaborate on a point from the debate once you're

02:00:19.060 finished yeah no no i was just you know i just sent pearl the link on um i just wanted to play

02:00:23.020 another video that's completely it has nothing to do with this video but it's a complete contrast

02:00:27.980 of michael knowles and we need this if if we had more when we think in terms of christian guys

02:00:33.500 that look like spoke like this in this video it would be you would see a different approach oh

02:00:39.580 him this is the guy i had on but we lost joel webin i actually i need to redo that but i got

02:00:45.100 we stopped doing shows actually i should have him back on this month um okay let's yes pastor joel

02:00:51.660 weapon okay we're gonna play it real quick blessing okay so when we think in terms of the

02:00:59.240 doctrine of total depravity um people are totally depraved across the board if we were measuring

02:01:05.920 statistics it would be equal across the board we believe you know david doesn't just say you know

02:01:10.440 in sin did my mother give birth to me but in sin did my mother conceive me and so from conception

02:01:15.620 because of the fall, because of the fall of Adam and sin entering the world, every single human

02:01:22.140 being, all of his posterity has been born with a sin nature and conceived with a sin nature.

02:01:27.620 And so when we speak of total depravity, distinguishing that for a moment from utter

02:01:31.180 depravity, total depravity refers to sin at the level of the heart. It's speaking of the inward

02:01:36.180 man, meaning that all his inclinations, all his motives and incentives and thoughts are geared

02:01:43.220 towards self and ultimately in rebellion against god romans chapter 8 says the mind of the sinful

02:01:49.780 man um it it does not submit to god's law nor can it and so it's unwilling and unable apart from

02:01:57.360 conversion and so um all people are totally depraved so if we're speaking of man our biblical

02:02:02.540 anthropology if we're speaking of man um inwardly at the inward level the level of the heart

02:02:07.720 all men and so that would include both men and women are equally sinful internally at the level

02:02:15.400 of the heart apart from christ from conception apart from conversion all all both men and women

02:02:22.760 old men young men black men white men women men all across the board every single human being is

02:02:29.880 equally totally depraved equally sinful at the internal level however to to apply an illustration

02:02:35.400 to that thinking about rearing children and parenting um every child is equally totally

02:02:41.160 depraved apart from christ but not every child is equally misbehaved in their outward actions

02:02:49.400 meaning that internal sin of total depravity does not necessarily um outwardly manifest itself

02:02:56.520 equally with each child there are better behaved children and there are worse behaved children

02:03:01.960 okay you can go back so basically what he was explaining is like i think i think women are far

02:03:08.660 more evil well that's what he was explaining he'll say explain today like today women are getting

02:03:13.700 it's not that women are more sinful is that women are getting away with more sin they're just not

02:03:19.340 being punished not being held accountable for it right and it's like you want marriage to come back

02:03:24.340 go ahead nick so classically you know joel evans reformed i wish he's presbyterian like me

02:03:31.960 but um we're both reformed um the reformed theology so classically you know reformers

02:03:40.500 puritans the westminster divines essentially they distinguish that yeah all our all mankind

02:03:47.960 is sinful but we don't but the sexes tend to sin in different ways and so women tend to sin in

02:03:55.580 different ways than men and men tend to sin in different ways than women and deception

02:04:00.260 this tip typically tends to be one of the ways that women particularly sin.

02:04:07.880 Shaw, was there a timestamp you had for the Michael or for the Michael Knowles debate?

02:04:14.380 Yeah, I just wanted to call attention to it looks like 50 minutes, 49 seconds. And he was

02:04:20.860 talking about no fault divorce, I believe, starting in Canada. And he mentioned that it

02:04:25.240 shot up divorce rate ran up 500 once no fault divorce was instituted over there and i just

02:04:32.440 wanted to point out just some stuff about what he was saying there specifically so i'll let you play

02:04:36.920 that first when does it when does it go till do you remember i don't have an end state but it's

02:04:42.520 right after he's you i'll stop yeah yeah you can just say it because we'll hear you in the mic

02:04:47.400 got it okay so good um there oh is that not it i'll just explain what he was saying but

02:04:52.920 he was saying you know in 1969 1969 is when no fault divorce was instituted here in sacramento

02:04:58.120 california in the state and then it took a few it took probably like 20 years he brought it

02:05:05.240 go to 71 it went 71 didn't it go nationwide uh in a lot of states it did but it did take time

02:05:12.280 to spread to all the states as he mentioned in new york i believe it was 2010 and there's two

02:05:17.400 points i want to make about that i'll make the first point where he says it rises up 500

02:05:21.160 100%. The first thing to note is that there was already a cultural change that was causing the

02:05:26.300 courts to get clogged up with divorce requests. So all no-fault divorce really did is just make

02:05:32.040 it easier for the courts to pass these divorces that were already going to happen. It streamlined

02:05:36.120 it, essentially. It made it easy. If you walk into Sacramento's Superior Court right now,

02:05:41.560 William Ridgway, and you go past the metal detectors and look on the left, there's a sign

02:05:45.640 there that says, home of the original one-day divorce. And that was a selling point back then

02:05:50.300 because they're like, hey, you can come in here and get your divorce in one day. And you had

02:05:54.360 people coming across from the country, state shopping, they called it. And they'd come here

02:05:58.880 and they'd live here for whatever the required amount of time is just so they can get a divorce.

02:06:02.840 But that's one thing. So what I'm saying is that there was perjury, there was collusion.

02:06:08.440 This is where you get the guy coming out of the hotel room and a photographer he hired would take

02:06:12.740 picture of him with some mistress so that they can go to court and then say, hey, see, approve

02:06:17.480 my divorce. Now I was guilty of adultery and they were colluding with the other party.

02:06:21.400 There was perjury going on. This was a well-known thing. That's what brought no-fault divorce into

02:06:27.020 the picture to begin with. And now with, you know, smartphones and all these other things,

02:06:31.540 if you brought no-fault, you know, got back to at-fault divorce, I still think there could

02:06:35.700 be a compromise. You can get some form of it. But what Michael Knowles is saying is that just

02:06:40.460 bringing in no-fault led to this 500% increase in rate. That's true, but there's a backlog of

02:06:47.000 cases there that were getting ready to get pushed through and no fault just allowed that to be the

02:06:52.100 case um the second point about new york he brought up something about liberal new york in 2010 and

02:06:58.500 you did a good job challenging him on this because you said well there's separation laws

02:07:02.640 and the thing about new york is that no fault divorce then was almost a formality because

02:07:07.880 i don't know if it was one year or three years i think it's one year in new york

02:07:11.300 even though they didn't have no fault if you guys are separated for a year you can then get your

02:07:17.500 divorce so it's kind of no fault in name only at that point once it gets passed so he's he's using

02:07:23.980 these as reasons but i just wanted to to clarify that specifically about what he was saying about

02:07:29.880 the law the other thing i could expand upon is they kept trying to pound you on on this mandatory

02:07:35.520 paternity testing and um you know as soon as you said mandatory this word mandatory triggers them

02:07:42.260 so uh and he he specifically said that mandatory dna challenges the institution of marriage and i

02:07:50.840 can i'll try not to be too verbose here but i can i can try to explain why he's saying that

02:07:55.540 and kind of how it works today um you have you know you have children you have presumption of

02:08:03.680 paternity. So if a child's born within a marriage, the husband is presumed to be the father,

02:08:08.320 especially if there's no challenge to that within a specific point of time, which you did bring up

02:08:12.600 in the debate about California's two-year rule. So that was important. The other way is kids that

02:08:18.500 are born out of wedlock, typically at the hospital, men are presented with the form called the

02:08:23.560 Voluntary Declaration of Paternity. Now, when you sign that, you have 60 days to rescind it.

02:08:30.940 And if you don't do that, you have till the child's two in California and other states.

02:08:35.500 It's different. Tennessee, it could be five years or this or that. It just depends. Right.

02:08:40.480 And when they signed the Declaration of Paternity. It does say on the fine print, hey, like, you know, I think it says on the fine print there, but like you can get a genetic test.

02:08:51.440 the hospital's not going to give it to you but the only genetic test that would would matter if

02:08:57.120 you're you know if you are already legally the parent is going to be the one that the child

02:09:00.400 support department gives you but you can get it but no the hospital does not do it for you

02:09:06.480 when you say mandatory it scares them because if you have people who are happily married living as

02:09:11.920 a family and they find out that uh paternity they're not biologically the father this can

02:09:19.120 shake up that that specific family and it can hurt hurt marriages in that way if it comes out

02:09:24.640 and you know i i get why they say that i get that we have something called you know functional

02:09:31.040 paternity set up ahead of biological paternity enshrined in our law but people should at least

02:09:37.040 be given the option you did mention that you know at least people can opt out of it if they don't

02:09:41.680 want to take it but people should be given that option people should be able to avail themselves

02:09:46.960 it should be provided to them to do that without you know them knowing it because a lot of people

02:09:52.240 sign this form and you know the hospital just gives them the form they're like yeah just fill

02:09:56.240 this out okay your dad just fill this out just sign here they're not going to sit there and read

02:10:01.200 everything to them about it they're not going to sit there and explain how signing this form

02:10:05.920 impacts you legally so people sign it then five years later they're in the child support office

02:10:11.120 talking to me and they're like you know i've had doubts about paternity and i'm sitting here like

02:10:15.360 all right well i'm looking at your case and your kid's four years old and you signed a vdp in the

02:10:19.920 hospital um yeah man you know there's nothing you're gonna be able to do about that and you

02:10:24.880 know child support is going to begin next month on the first and no conformed no informed consent

02:10:32.320 you're not advised of your rights before hey here's your consent yeah no they will get you

02:10:38.400 they get you on the emotion side of it like yes the baby just got born the pressure is thinking

02:10:43.840 the family right there yeah it's like you're you're filled with emotion and like here dad sign

02:10:49.280 this and you just want to get back to holding your son or your daughter and you know and then

02:10:53.600 you just like sign it real quick you don't really pay attention and then you just didn't realize

02:10:56.800 what you signed and no a lot of guys get caught that way i think a lot of mandatory is perfect

02:11:04.400 and i like what you said shaw where you're like if guys want to opt out let them opt out if you

02:11:08.400 want to be in denial that's fine that's your problem man but then don't be mad when you find

02:11:12.880 out later that it's not yours like if that's the risk you decided you want to be in denial

02:11:18.640 that's fine exactly that's the informed consent that is the informed consent uh sandman's talking

02:11:23.200 about right there i have a question for sha sure this is my first marriage i was about 40 my wife

02:11:31.120 was early 40s she got pregnant okay been trying for a year for over 10 years sure gone through

02:11:40.640 all the fertility stuff eventually adopted and she got pregnant at about early 40s and i thought great

02:11:49.680 so i bought her flowers a dozen roses she got pissed off she was pissed off that you bought

02:11:59.680 me roses aren't you concerned about my health and blah blah blah blah blah i was celebrating

02:12:06.560 us because hey it's a new life she got pissed off at me do you think that was my child

02:12:14.560 she eventually was your child she eventually miscarried we do i don't know i have no clue

02:12:22.560 but based on her reaction i wonder here's the important thing wait can i sure i'm sorry i just

02:12:33.120 i just had a real what's the argument i had a realization during this okay why would they cut

02:12:40.480 it like this all right there's an editing in the original interview no no there's no editing

02:12:47.440 what part are you no no this clip i got they're making it seem the explanation for the clips

02:12:51.920 or for the cuts no no no no no no it's not a cut though it's like um sorry sorry i said cut

02:12:58.080 clip it they they clipped it like i was saying they didn't put why i was saying hold on let me

02:13:05.120 just show you what's the what's the look at what's the what's the argument for what marriage is why

02:13:14.080 it's still good to do uh no matter what the policies are why man is inclined toward it

02:13:19.360 any policy yeah i think marriage is always good any any policy yeah i think any country in the

02:13:25.520 world at any time in history it's basically good to get married so so a guy i just want to see if

02:13:31.360 oh never mind they had that in there okay i i'm sorry i i almost got triggered but i thought they

02:13:36.960 cut this part out i didn't actually watch this there was a sorry go on glenn okay i was gonna

02:13:44.080 say um what i find fascinating here cha is that you know they want guys to just sign over this

02:13:51.920 and you said like the the they rather presume um paternity for the sake of not breaking up

02:14:00.880 the marriage when you find out your wife's a you know and it's like no guys we want to keep the

02:14:08.160 family intact so we rather you be in denial and you not know that the milkman is really the baby's

02:14:16.080 daddy yeah i mean that's that's the way he presented it too i mean it's an attack on the

02:14:22.320 on the institution of marriage and listen i understand that i respect the institution of

02:14:27.440 marriage but we have created so many laws that have already chopped at the the root of marriage

02:14:32.800 already the child support system uh it as an entirety of the federal aid you know laws there

02:14:40.880 through social security 4d has already created these things just the voluntary declaration

02:14:47.280 of paternity as an option has already given men other alternatives to the marriage contract

02:14:54.640 they have built up so many legal frameworks to try to curtail the trends we've seen of kids being

02:15:01.280 born out of wedlock that if you're a guy now why sign the marriage contract when you can just i'd

02:15:07.200 rather just sign a voluntary declaration of paternity if i'm confident that's my kid

02:15:11.680 and then fight for custody later instead of having to fight a whole divorce instead of having to pay

02:15:17.360 spousal support while i'm trying to pay for fighting custody you know what i mean so it's

02:15:22.320 like when they're saying mandatory paternity tests are going to be the thing that threatens marriage

02:15:26.800 it's like listen you've missed the boat the train on what threatens marriage

02:15:32.080 yeah that's not the threat it's like way more than that it's the fact that women

02:15:37.200 are not being honest or not trustworthy that's where the problem is in that guys and men and

02:15:42.480 women are dishonest there's no punishment by other women that's the problem there's no

02:15:48.640 implications yeah there's no protection for men in that scenario the judge is going to look at it

02:15:55.960 and they're going to look at it holistically because they have to consider the best interest

02:15:59.560 of the child and if this other guy isn't there like anything short of an adoption let's say even

02:16:05.940 Even if it's before two years old, you're in California, the kid's one, you managed

02:16:10.620 to get her filed and served.

02:16:12.440 It's in court now, the kid's not two.

02:16:15.500 And listen, this was an actual case that happened at child support.

02:16:21.380 You know, this is just an example because we had a case where someone, she's a single

02:16:25.940 mom and the kid, you know, is now on welfare.

02:16:28.700 The case comes to our office and we're like, okay, we're trying to find this guy, get the

02:16:32.760 information.

02:16:34.520 she's like, listen, I went to a party in some city 20 minutes away from Sacramento. It was a

02:16:40.500 Halloween party and the guy had a gorilla mask on the whole time. I know it sounds ridiculous,

02:16:44.380 but that's what she told us. So we have no identifying information. That's it. The case

02:16:48.700 was closed unless we find out something new. But if you're a guy and you're the only guy in the

02:16:52.960 picture and the other guy that impregnated her is some guy with the gorilla mask on at a Halloween

02:16:57.480 party, the judge is going to be like, you're the dad because you've held out for this year and a

02:17:01.980 half who else is going to be this kid's father unless this mysterious man in a gorilla mask

02:17:07.040 shows up so that doesn't even guarantee anything there's no protection for men in this regard men

02:17:13.320 should have the ability to dissolve paternity status at any point if they find out that this

02:17:19.120 child is not theirs if they want to be like hey that's my son that's my daughter i love them

02:17:23.400 i'm gonna continue supporting them i'm for that i i love that i admire that that's great

02:17:28.700 but listen if men have the option to make that choice for themselves men need to have that

02:17:34.160 choice and women need to face repercussions for bad uh actions like this there was another case

02:17:39.600 when i was new um and you know i was a fresh-faced child support officer at the age of 25 and they

02:17:45.820 they the child support agency was across the street from the courthouse we walked across

02:17:49.400 the street and we got to watch all the child support proceedings and when it was done um all

02:17:55.120 people filed out and the commissioner came down to talk to us new guys and he starts telling me

02:17:59.840 a case which is kind of funny it's it's in rollo's book rational mail but it was about an nba player

02:18:05.200 and he worked on this case and uh he had a one night stand and uh the woman accused him of being

02:18:12.080 the father he's like i'm not the father they took the genetic test it came back he was a dad

02:18:17.200 he's like i don't understand i used a condom and the commissioner was like what did you do

02:18:22.720 with the condom he's like i threw it in the trash so it came out that she impregnated herself with

02:18:26.880 this you know but guess what nothing happened to her nothing bad happened he had to pay child

02:18:32.560 support that's it case closed there there is no repercussion there is no safety there for for men

02:18:38.320 at all that's why drake puts hot sauce in the condom now yeah i i did see that when that happened

02:18:44.480 he's like i'm not letting another i'm not letting another porn star get me i will not do this twice

02:18:49.360 bitches you know there was another thing this isn't legally related it was just something i

02:18:56.400 noticed in there uh under a a time stamp and uh he he brought up the fact like like what he'll say

02:19:03.280 is that naturally naturally men and women want want to get married and we have to ask ourselves

02:19:11.200 is marriage really a natural institution is monogamy really a natural institution um or

02:19:17.920 or or is religion really something that's that's supposed to be supernatural it tells us to

02:19:23.600 curtail our biological instincts in favor of some collective higher order civilization

02:19:29.040 he kept saying that as if it's natural it's like no that's not true it's not natural naturally

02:19:35.200 people want to pursue their biological urges whether that's short-term or long-term or whatever

02:19:40.240 you know and i just think that was a point to not let him get away on you know

02:19:44.880 i think it is a natural institution though well sure i mean i'd love to hear about what your

02:19:50.160 thoughts on that but i think personally naturally speaking that's not the case for people to stay

02:19:56.160 together that's why marriage is hard work that's why we have so many laws like an evolutionary

02:20:01.280 worldview you're presuming an evolutionary worldview he's a christian worldview oh yeah

02:20:07.520 and that's fine i'm not going to challenge you on on your beliefs that's that's great but we

02:20:12.960 have all these laws in place we have all this these child support laws in place because if

02:20:17.680 people naturally wanted to do this well then i don't think we would need all these laws in place

02:20:22.720 for that now if humans you know are in a state of sin if i'm going to borrow from the christian

02:20:28.080 framework here and they need religion to be able to operate at a state that's that's at least a

02:20:34.320 little higher than that towards some sort of good then in the natural whatever state of sin that

02:20:40.720 they're in they're going to move from that point now i don't want to bog it down too hard that was

02:20:45.360 just one of the things i noticed because it's like well when you look at how people operate

02:20:50.560 especially when they stop being religious uh they tend to have a tougher time sticking in a long

02:20:56.000 term marriage going all the way through when the culture starts to isn't religious and it starts

02:21:01.120 being corroded with you know atheism and secularism you start to see the natural default state of

02:21:07.280 people operate again so i just think it's something that he needed to be challenged

02:21:11.280 about there because he's he's starting from that as a framework and that's why i say sometimes i

02:21:18.080 want to just say i'm an atheist of these debates because somehow it always becomes a morality thing

02:21:24.080 and it's like that's not what i'm trying to argue about you know well another thing i noticed they

02:21:29.040 tried to do with you that he tried to do with you pearl is uh 57 minutes uh he mentioned adopting a

02:21:34.320 liberalist individualist anthropologist uh world view and it's for some reason the conservative

02:21:41.200 party what when people do shine a light on something they're not doing right they will

02:21:45.920 bring up the liberal boogeyman uh pearl is is actually just an undercover uh liberal you know

02:21:52.160 feminist here and she's not a real uh conservative or or you know any of these things and and to me

02:21:59.200 that's just a cop-out that's that's them not willing to face uh fair criticism on on their

02:22:04.960 lack of action on these very very important issues yeah let's look at marriage let's look

02:22:12.320 at what marriage is okay we'll look at from a biblical sense right because that's where he's

02:22:15.680 going to come from well what is marriage it's when a man and a woman get into a covenantal

02:22:25.680 relationship in the eyes of god right yeah so it takes a man and a woman right there we already

02:22:34.880 we're already conflicting with culture all right because culture tells us you could be a man and a

02:22:39.120 man a man and a cheeseburger a man in a tranny you could be whatever variation what you want

02:22:44.880 you could be married so marriage today the way that it's being practiced is not even the same

02:22:50.480 marriage that's in the bible so why is he pushing for marriage when it's not being practiced

02:22:57.360 according to the scriptures like that's a good that's a good point glenn marriage modern marriage

02:23:04.000 has been redefined it's slippage of definitions it's not the same as traditional marriage and

02:23:11.440 let me point out something else everybody talks about family values values values values values

02:23:18.880 i don't give a flying about values i care about principles because principles never change values

02:23:28.240 do change go ahead go ahead nick you're laughing well i i just yeah modern marriage like the the

02:23:38.160 contract that modern marriage is is an abomination it is basically it is a screw daddy over contract

02:23:46.320 it is not what a classical marriage is you know and if i look what happened to men when they got

02:23:53.100 married in in the bible what happened to them there's none of this zeroing out there's none

02:23:58.940 of this losing your business losing everything splitting it down the middle no they they got

02:24:04.260 sent back home you deal with them and it's so funny because whenever i talk about these issues

02:24:11.840 they want me to like tell men what to do but isn't it kind of biblical if i say that's not my place

02:24:18.480 right well it's not your place you know timothy says like you know you ain't supposed to speak to

02:24:23.200 men not your business well i'm like i'm like i'm not gonna tell a grown like 45 year old man if

02:24:31.120 he can get married or not like pick for yourself like it's not my job you know i also like the

02:24:37.760 problem is like if they're gonna go from the biblical spence there's no there's no titus

02:24:41.280 two women there's not one i have not met one titus two woman ever in my life what's is that

02:24:47.200 the what's titus two i'm sorry nick go ahead that's the one where it talks about godly women

02:24:54.560 instructing the younger women to you know be discreet chaste keepers at home aren't you

02:25:00.960 married with your husbands yeah so i mean well technically people think i'm dating you but you

02:25:08.000 know whatever you know piggyback on that uh at an hour and four minutes he mentioned i liked pearl

02:25:16.240 that you asked him about authority and uh you know about men having authority in their homes

02:25:21.520 you know because a lot of the times the criticism is that there's a lack of leadership from men

02:25:26.160 and in the interview you specifically brought that up but it's like you know men can have

02:25:31.600 authority insofar as the women allows them to have it because of the laws and authority is not

02:25:37.120 supposed men you know you can lead as much as you can but the thing is is that we aren't given legal

02:25:44.480 authority over our families there's there's nothing you can do other than you know try to

02:25:48.800 give good advice try to give well-reasoned arguments you don't have authority you don't

02:25:53.280 have authority over your wife over your daughters i mean if your daughter becomes an of girl tomorrow

02:25:58.720 all i can do is you know maybe withdraw my love hope i tried to raise her as well as i can and

02:26:03.600 explain her why that might not be good for her but i have no authority to do anything about it

02:26:08.880 so all of their responsibilities none of the authorities and he basically said well in the

02:26:13.520 good marriages they have authority and there was just this goalpost moving of like like no

02:26:18.720 you know what i mean because then anytime a marriage goes wrong they're gonna demonize

02:26:22.880 that person well you know you must have did something wrong but it's like no we we have

02:26:26.880 yeah a system of laws that has taken away authorities from men and men can't be good

02:26:31.840 leaders because they have the sort of damocles above their head and the minute they try to put

02:26:35.840 their foot down if she doesn't like it um they're out of there and then that's that well and then

02:26:41.680 how did that how did that how did that go for andrew clavin dennis prager glenn black

02:26:46.320 stephen crowder lauren southern like i can list these are all conservatives they can't like it's

02:26:52.880 does authority come from God well on the Christian view or has authority come from

02:27:04.160 consent of the government consent of the wife where does well that's what it's turned into

02:27:10.460 if you're going to take on the provider lifestyle in a marriage in 2024 um you know

02:27:18.080 you can be the leader insofar as your wife is giving you permission to do that it's

02:27:22.580 transferred into her hands to give the authority. That is the whole problem right there. So to come

02:27:27.920 back and to blame men as a trad con and to continue blaming men, to not call this out as an

02:27:33.860 issue, to not want to do family law reform, to give men authority back in the household is kind

02:27:40.060 of hypocritical if you ask me. But instead they'll say, oh, well, only the good marriages. Or if

02:27:46.140 something went wrong in a particular Catholic household, like, well, they just weren't Catholic

02:27:49.600 enough but if they were actually catholic or if they're actually christian and it's it's not fair

02:27:54.400 to do that to people the no truth god's mentality exactly that's exactly what it is what it comes

02:28:02.240 down to is like even the church has removed the authority for men and that happened in the 80s

02:28:06.960 with the egalitarianism like nick wrote a whole book on this like yeah and he's he has a he has

02:28:11.600 a second book that's already come out that he has on this like you know and and so did so did rachel

02:28:17.600 wilson rachel wilson documented this in her book as well you know it's like once the the state you

02:28:23.500 know told men that you don't have authority over your family you don't have no authority in your

02:28:28.200 household anymore the church backed that up and said hey guess what guys no no no no no you're

02:28:33.320 supposed to be good servant leaders well and my be good slaves and my point to michael was

02:28:39.280 does he actually want marriage and family to return because what he's doing isn't going to

02:28:47.260 make that happen saying men get married you know men aren't stupid anymore they've seen their we've

02:28:52.580 now had two generations going on three generations of men that have gotten screwed by divorce

02:28:58.020 i mean men aren't dumb every guy knows someone that's gotten screwed by divorce and somebody

02:29:03.560 that's gotten me too men are wising up so saying to men hey get married anyway that's not going to

02:29:10.180 work what i'm actually saying might actually encourage what you want but that's why i kept

02:29:17.880 it that's why it's at the cost of women though that's what it is they don't want to do it at

02:29:21.560 the cost of women but that's what i was trying to say someone has to finance the women i mean

02:29:25.920 the welfare state is expensive to maintain it's nice if you can offload someone onto a willing

02:29:32.260 participant who will provide for them and it's it's unsustainable so that's why they have to

02:29:37.840 continue to convince men to do this the worst thing that can happen is men opting out because

02:29:43.040 who's going to finance uh who's going to finance feminism basically what i don't like to hear from

02:29:49.260 the trad cons is that what they'll say is that the red pill is is feminism or that it submits

02:29:53.940 to feminism that's not true the original blue pill was that trad con disney thinking and the

02:30:00.380 trad cons with what they're advising men actually enables feminism to exist in that way because

02:30:06.460 sorry go on no no yeah sorry i was just gonna say yes that's it no yeah feminism is thriving

02:30:12.740 is in the church today that's the only place feminism is thriving it's not thriving in

02:30:16.900 society anymore you got transgenderism has shut down feminism in society but in the church

02:30:22.880 feminism is thriving and the church is in a difficult place glenn because think about it

02:30:28.800 you know there has been these change in how annulments work specifically in the catholic

02:30:32.740 church. And I know that's specifically Catholic. You know, it used to be the way the ecclesiastical

02:30:37.300 courts work to get an annulment is very hard. It has to go up a few levels. I think at least two.

02:30:42.720 Now I think a local bishop can do it. And that's what was changed. And annulments were only done

02:30:48.280 for very good reasons. But now, you know, if a local bishop can do it and one church is handing

02:30:52.700 out annulments, it's kind of similar to state shopping with no fault divorce. If you can get

02:30:57.820 your annulment here, but they're in a difficult position because if the state allows the divorce,

02:31:02.740 okay now uh they can't take their communion if they get remarried okay but um if they hold fast

02:31:10.120 to that they risk losing people coming to the church so they and inevitably because of the

02:31:14.780 state's pressure on them that they're putting on them become more progressive when they otherwise

02:31:18.540 probably would not have want to so you have to look at it when it comes to church attendance

02:31:22.940 and these things like well what do they do and that that is the tough part that's a that's a

02:31:27.440 part i don't want to speak too much because that's for christians and catholics to answer and work

02:31:31.640 on but i understand when i see the state is creating these pressures that are really really

02:31:36.280 hurting religious institutions here especially like the catholic church and these kinds of things

02:31:41.320 another thing i wanted to point out pearl is i'm really glad you brought up the voting aspect in

02:31:46.920 that interview i was very impressed by that and i will say it's more of a problem for the

02:31:52.280 conservatives than it is for the other side you know because if you look at the voting trends

02:31:57.800 they rely on the male vote and i guarantee you the red pill can at least reach 10 of those men's ears

02:32:05.240 and it's like you know okay why should men care about these other issues like immigration or

02:32:12.040 what's going on at the suez canal or all these things if they can't even walk into their own

02:32:16.200 home and they're not on eggshells if men boycotted the divorce it would put a fire under these

02:32:21.400 trad cons if you threaten them with another biden win you'd hear trump tomorrow saying

02:32:27.400 i've always cared about family law reform and if you vote for me i promise to do something about it

02:32:32.600 and if the red pill and red pill content creators can actually unify and stop fighting each other

02:32:37.560 at least on this one issue we can create enough humdrum to get them to take us seriously on this

02:32:43.320 matter i mean you got passport bros you got people leaving their whole lives here do you think they

02:32:47.960 care about voting in one election or boycotting one election when they're willing to not get married

02:32:52.440 not get children leave their countries that they they love and into a place where they barely speak

02:32:57.640 the language because it's it's it's at least a little bit better for them so this is something

02:33:02.920 that even if we can't do it this election it's a problem that's not going away the red pill is not

02:33:08.280 dead it's like bitcoin maybe the stock's here but tomorrow it's going to pop up again once this you

02:33:13.640 know keeps bubbling up because the problem's not going away we've seen our fathers who got divorced

02:33:17.960 we've seen our uncles we've seen friends we've seen this stuff the generation's getting smarter

02:33:23.400 and smarter and smarter and ultimately they have to do what's good for them i think yeah michael

02:33:30.040 i made a note when i was watching the video michael seems oblivious to reality and that

02:33:36.360 is because he is a blue-pilled alpha yeah i really don't consider he he has to meet the

02:33:44.040 six foot mark to hit alpha status doesn't he okay he's not ryan stone no i was there i was there he's

02:33:49.640 alpha yeah he is he's a nice guy we'll give him alpha status michael is he believes that women

02:33:59.480 are is he they ought to be well and the red pill says women are as they are love them anyway

02:34:09.400 so is it it's an is versus ought distinction in here well i want to believe that what women

02:34:18.580 ought to be is how they really are no i just you know that's why i've been through two

02:34:25.420 divorces now women are as they are i don't love them but um they're not uh they're not

02:34:34.000 sugar and spice and everything nice well and i i got i think i offended candace owens recently

02:34:42.080 because um i was talking about how the daily wire comes off out of touch a lot and um what i was

02:34:50.340 referring to is i they come off out of touch from middle class america and um i don't know like

02:34:58.240 dads I guess the family court stuff it just seems like they have no view on reality with it and I

02:35:06.380 I get so confused because Michael Knowles will go on whatever podcast I'm like you see what's going

02:35:11.700 on like do you just not but what what I found is those guys live in such a bubble like they might

02:35:18.320 not be materialistic I think she took it because she she got kind of mad she was like he wears he

02:35:22.900 goes to Walmart and I'm like okay that doesn't make you in touch with the average American

02:35:27.200 experience but i grew up i grew up with guys like that where they're like um like that that's kind

02:35:34.080 of the a lot of them remind me of like where i grew up where it's like upper middle class they

02:35:39.040 tend to come from families that had businesses like they none of them really did like middle

02:35:43.600 class american jobs or had like a middle class american experience and my point is those guys

02:35:50.480 are going to have a completely different world view because they're around the top like 25 of

02:35:55.760 people like in terms of wealth and socioeconomic status and i think the divorce rate is a little

02:36:01.300 bit lower for wealthy people i think it's like 25 well they have they have more to lose there

02:36:07.420 but i want to give i want to give um candace owens when we were in the in the you know where

02:36:12.540 you're getting your hair makeup done she did say she actually supported prenups that's something

02:36:17.540 that we couldn't even get michael knowles to say that he's yeah yeah so i'll give her credit for

02:36:22.460 that at least yeah it'd be interesting if they end up having me on our show or not because i

02:36:27.800 wonder if we would agree or disagree it'd be interesting who needs to be leaders here what

02:36:35.160 i'm talking as a catholic who needs to be the leader well it would be nice if our politicians

02:36:44.420 started doing that for one no they weren't given that role i'm gonna say the bishops of the catholic

02:36:53.860 church need to be the leaders in this because hey you let's assume just pretend you're a catholic

02:37:02.340 bishop have you seen your vocations go down yes where do vocations come from large families

02:37:10.100 your priesthood has been going down for the last 30 years now you have all these statistics our

02:37:17.140 marriages the number of marriages performed in the catholic church in your diocese going down

02:37:23.300 yeah you got the statistics have the number of baptisms been going down in your diocese year

02:37:31.940 after year after year and you're sitting there doing nothing and you also know the abortions

02:37:40.420 are going up and throughout history catholic bishops have always challenged the leaders

02:37:49.620 whether they be monarchs or whatever to adhere to morality and where are the catholic bishops

02:38:00.420 in this whole thing now i don't care if you're catholic or not but i look to the catholic bishops

02:38:07.620 and they're supposed to be the successors to the apostles in the catholic church we believe

02:38:16.020 there was a laying on of hands and there's a a lineage going back to the apostles the bishops

02:38:23.220 are the the uh successors of the apostles where is their leadership

02:38:32.900 well i mean obviously no church is a business you look at church as a business because i mean

02:38:37.620 that's really what it is at the end of the day they're it they have to run it like a business

02:38:43.140 you are losing the the the men folk who make the most money out of out of both sexes men men tend

02:38:52.820 to make more money than women do right overall you're losing that group of people who could pay

02:39:01.060 into your business you know how many churches are closing up nick like yearly

02:39:07.060 like on average like close to 3 000 churches honestly honestly glenn i was so i was so happy

02:39:13.540 when i found out he was catholic because none of this was gonna fly with me that you have these

02:39:17.780 special churches in the middle of nowhere oh no oh no i've seen your latin communities my cousins

02:39:24.980 grew up in them you know you're not going to convince me of this your your church is not

02:39:30.460 special or different or immune from female nature it's just not so your your women are not any

02:39:36.040 special or different i i've seen i've been pretty involved i used to go to like um catholic camps

02:39:42.700 like in the summer growing up and most of the girls i grew up with aren't really practicing so

02:39:49.180 where are your special women like pearl i agree with you i live in fargo north dakota

02:39:57.640 one of the more conservative diocese in the country where it's a lot better here but hey i

02:40:06.200 told you my story and that's my experience and the bishop is still not standing up and taking

02:40:11.980 care of things and they just let my situation go through so you know i'll have to stand before god

02:40:22.380 and you know what one thing i won't have to answer for is what i've been accused of by my ex-wives

02:40:30.620 can i ask you did they did they process annulments for for you or for your wife in that scenario

02:40:37.420 did the church actually issue an annulment there i i never got to the point of filing one

02:40:44.140 because you know what i i i have to understand things and i don't have proof

02:40:51.020 and so it's take i have a lot of circumstantial evidence my first marriage why it was not valid

02:40:57.260 but uh you know i never filed and then all of a sudden my documentation just disappeared my

02:41:05.020 My computer got infected, and it went away under my second wife.

02:41:11.340 And then my other files just kind of disappeared.

02:41:14.920 So I don't know what happened.

02:41:19.120 Guys, if you don't mind, if you're on Twitter retweeting the stream,

02:41:22.920 Blessing asked me to.

02:41:24.300 Oh, and the people watching.

02:41:25.880 I guess we have 1,500 people watching on Twitter.

02:41:29.440 What a day.

02:41:30.240 Yeah, 1.6 actually.

02:41:31.780 Oh, 1.6.

02:41:32.880 Yeah.

02:41:33.080 um okay was there any other time stamps from the um the discussion that any of you wanted to bring

02:41:40.400 up um i have like 12 but i'm saving a lot of them for um when i do the breakdown um the only one i

02:41:52.360 could think of her go to 150 to 150 oh no i think we did that one already right yeah i think so

02:42:00.460 then do 145 to 147

02:42:03.920 there was a comment made there that that i get so frustrated i get so irritated because

02:42:13.440 i'm sorry so women can figure out how to do a 37 minute makeup tutorial on how to make them

02:42:20.940 looks like a completely different person but you couldn't do any research into starting in only

02:42:25.840 fans having an abortion or contracting an std divorcing your husband or anything get the fuck

02:42:31.820 out of here get out of here it just drives me nuts how are we not responsible i mean just take

02:42:41.040 it it's called it's called taking the l and i think we should just learn to take the l

02:42:46.700 and move on sometimes you make the wrong choice l l you're on only fans your vagina's on only

02:42:53.460 fans for life l you got an std l you got an abortion l your life's a mess you're in debt

02:43:00.340 l why can't we just take else just take it l thank you let's call it invincible ignorance

02:43:12.820 you remember when he was like saying that like men take advantage of women

02:43:17.060 in the debate like men men take advantage of women sexually that women don't want to have sex

02:43:25.460 it's men that take advantage of them and then you're like your wives not want to have sex with

02:43:30.580 you like no no i'm just asking like did he not read proverbs 7 at all like proverbs 7 is about

02:43:40.100 this woman out there literally pursuing men and then like taking her home where there's like dead

02:43:46.620 man's bones like come on man it's it seems like trad at least like like michael knolls have a

02:43:55.660 hard time of uh ascribing accountability and agency to women you know he relies on the on

02:44:01.260 the kind of pick the right one strategy and it's like when when men end up getting you know screwed

02:44:07.580 in divorce courts like well you didn't pick the right one but if a woman becomes a single mom

02:44:11.500 it's like well this this terrible person did that to you they don't say you didn't pick the right

02:44:15.500 man like why don't you just pick a guy that doesn't pump and dump you you know what i mean

02:44:20.060 it's it's always attracted to them yeah well hey yeah pick the right one thing let's go back to

02:44:27.900 genesis adam said hey i'm lonely god created this woman for him was she the right one

02:44:38.060 yeah well i assume so and what happened there he listened to her and it went back so is there

02:44:47.740 any right it can you pick the right one i don't think so not with a guarantee

02:44:55.100 oh it's a simpery that's going on here he's doing simpery s-i-m-p-s-i-m-p-i-n-g stop simping

02:45:08.740 that's what i want to start there was another point where you asked about uh marriageable women

02:45:14.300 and he said what well it's about 50 50 men and women for uh it's we're about about parity for

02:45:19.320 population i heard that and i was like uh yeah but a lot of those women don't want to live

02:45:25.560 traditional lives a lot of those women you know are are modern and feminist and and they don't

02:45:31.000 want to um live the way that that the church or bible tells them but you know again he's gonna

02:45:37.960 blame men for that but he's that's another example of him saying hey uh not putting the agency on on

02:45:44.200 the women themselves or the accountability but what are men supposed to do if the majority of

02:45:49.400 women in that 50 50 parody don't want to have kids or pair off or do this stuff right it's not all on

02:45:55.960 the men blaming men is not going to fix this problem it's just they failed with doing anything

02:46:00.440 about feminists they failed at bringing them back into a traditional role so now they're frustrated

02:46:06.360 and they just want to whip men even harder than they ever have before and it's not working it's

02:46:10.280 it's just going to drive the men away good luck good and that was my whole point really that was

02:46:15.960 that was my that was my i know then he was going after i'm like don't go after aaron clary

02:46:21.340 that's my guy he's so smart an attack against him yeah he was like well you know the first

02:46:27.100 sentence there was some grammar grammatical error if someone has a grammatical error but their

02:46:33.800 message is good that's okay with me like i'll read someone's book if there's some some grammar

02:46:38.560 errors in it if if it's a good book i could look past that you know but if there's something

02:46:43.200 actually wrong with the data and facts and that's another thing well and then he was talking about

02:46:47.680 how at that time like are you blind you go on whatever look i understand ignorance okay i look

02:46:53.520 at i grew up around these type of guys like i totally get it i grew up because i think michael's

02:46:59.440 cal like i grew up upper upper middle it's kind of a bubble all right but you guys once i started

02:47:06.400 interviewing chicks i'm like i shouldn't i wouldn't date anyone either this is exhausting

02:47:12.000 i'm like how can you not there was one other thing oh go ahead go ahead please let me point

02:47:18.000 out something when he attacked what you said about erin clary's book that's an ad hominem attack

02:47:25.520 that's pretty low brow you can't attack the man's message so you attack his his grammar

02:47:32.560 to shoot the messenger because you don't like his message

02:47:37.900 at the end of the day you know what's funny bro sad thing is is that you care more about his son

02:47:44.620 than he does yeah ironically that's true i mean all of us care more about his son

02:47:52.240 and his son's future you know relationship or you know whatever than he does he wants his son to be

02:48:00.020 a cook he's not adequately preparing his son for what the son is going to face out there

02:48:06.640 which is you know the whole blue pill red pill you know a lot of people talk about the red pill

02:48:10.940 but everyone seems to have forgotten the word blue pill or what that used to mean especially

02:48:15.560 back in the early days of those the forums of the red pill the the blue pill isn't just a you know

02:48:21.160 a atheist simp that wants to get laid from a woman a blue pill is also someone that subscribes to the

02:48:26.520 old contract conditioning of the of the kind of disney fantasy save the princess idea and in the

02:48:32.340 society we live in this this role of the princess has been completely deconstructed by media and

02:48:37.020 culture men are sitting here still trying to play the prince and now we're trying to figure out what

02:48:41.660 does a prince look like when women don't want to be saved anymore you know what i mean and he's

02:48:46.960 going to raise his son in this save the princess mentality and that's how he'll end up getting

02:48:51.780 stephen crowdered you know what i mean yeah um there was um sorry to drop off to something else

02:48:58.980 there was something at 19 minutes uh where he brought up uh no fault divorce at 1969 and how

02:49:04.740 it's actually been a long time since 1969 he was trying to undo one of your points about saying

02:49:09.220 well there has been a long time of this and that but i i didn't like that point you might need to

02:49:14.020 replay it because i can't no let's i'll play it what time stamp 19 19 minutes yeah i'm sorry my

02:49:19.540 timestamps aren't very I'll do it I'll do it a little early just church the

02:49:24.880 Catholic Church is not exempt it's absolutely not exempt I've seen a lot of

02:49:29.440 the same trends in the Catholic Church I guess my confusion is though you

02:49:35.980 bring up these statistics and so then we acknowledge the statistics that show

02:49:39.880 that if one you know gets married assuming that divorce is not a

02:49:44.300 sacramental reality that the likelihood of divorce goes way down but then when

02:49:48.020 we say that you instantly say well that actually now the statistics aren't worth

02:49:51.020 anything because young people are different we'd say that again sorry so

02:49:54.680 wait we agree yeah that the numbers for right Catholics Jews Muslim Orthodox

02:50:03.440 Jews and Muslims force numbers are way lower and you acknowledge those

02:50:07.540 statistics but then you say no I don't know I don't you don't okay no no because

02:50:11.420 most of those include women over a certain age right you're saying the

02:50:14.960 young people it's totally different time Michael so what and that's that's the

02:50:18.020 same thing like the time my parents got married in this completely different so

02:50:21.500 what changed other than now they have at so they meet on apps rather than at bars

02:50:24.620 and that's the big change that's why we can't believe the statistics anymore

02:50:27.800 the average marriage is seven years now Michael right but we've had divorce

02:50:34.580 expanded divorce for a long time we've had no-fault divorce in America since

02:50:38.420 1969 so you know I acknowledge these are by historical standards relatively

02:50:44.460 novel but we're still talking like 50 years right more than 50 years see we're right here this is

02:50:50.600 where this is the um part i i take some issue with because it's like yeah that's true sacramento

02:50:56.640 governor ronald reagan signed into law uh no fault divorce in 1969 in california only but it took

02:51:04.740 time to create the situation where and now the child support program wasn't passed federally

02:51:10.060 until 75 it didn't get its teeth until 1996 when perora passed and there's a lot of things that

02:51:17.980 are different from 1969 up until now so he's trying to say there's a one for one between 1969

02:51:23.100 and uh i i just couldn't let him get away with characterizing it that way because i think he's

02:51:29.420 not um i don't want to say anything he's being disingenuous yes thank you glenn that's exactly

02:51:35.500 what he's doing yeah and and it well because he also got it like my question is okay if the

02:51:42.860 churches are doing supposedly doing it right why have divorces only increased amongst christian

02:51:50.700 denominations you got i think pearl you're mentioning like what catholics are at 35

02:51:55.980 or 25 i mean i was i was trying oh shoot my audio is going i think it's the cord hold on um

02:52:05.500 uh okay can you hear me i think so okay i didn't want to argue about 25 35 45 or 50

02:52:15.140 i was trying my best to just give it to them okay 45 35 from what i've seen it's actually

02:52:24.460 pretty much the same when you look at the divorce stats the other way um because in a lot of these

02:52:31.880 studies they'll discount people as not being like real or something but there's um and i i'm not

02:52:39.240 so i'm going to be butchering this but there's a guy who helps me with some of the like research

02:52:44.080 for it and he was saying if you look at the number of divorces you get a different number than like

02:52:51.240 some of these niche studies that's pretty much the same within like five percent but i knew that if i

02:52:59.700 said anything like what it is they were just going to argue with me into oblivion about that stupid

02:53:06.000 10 so i said you know what yeah i'll give you 35 percent even though we all know it's not

02:53:11.680 but i'll play pretend with you for an hour yeah it's still terrible i know i know it's still

02:53:18.760 terrible like is it a monkey evangelicals like it's like at 25 to 35 as well or if not more we

02:53:26.280 all know it's more they've butchered these stats somehow i just can smell it like we all know but

02:53:31.860 like okay so look at this why how is it that the christian denomination that says that marriage is

02:53:37.900 the reflection between the relationship between christ and the church i have such high number

02:53:45.340 of divorces amongst the the religion that says we reflect the relationship between christ and the

02:53:53.880 church it doesn't make sense to me so it's because they're not really fundamentally wrong here

02:53:59.580 they refuse to acknowledge the state's role in this you know the the church does unfortunately

02:54:06.640 does not have the power to control you know these divorces anymore it's it's now gone over into the

02:54:12.000 the civil courts uh into the state the state has created these laws which has uh really affected

02:54:18.100 uh how people's marriages are doing and but the strangest part is that the trad consul then double

02:54:23.240 down and say, they'll obviously be like, people need to be more religious if everybody was just

02:54:28.560 more traditional or just more traditional. And unfortunately, it's not working, but they refuse

02:54:32.780 to really look at the state and start calling that out. I mean, their media needs to start

02:54:37.900 pushing this as a message. We need to hear politicians saying that and understanding

02:54:42.340 that their constituents are crying out for that. There's a real problem here. And I would love to

02:54:47.360 hear trump or other politicians talking about this and trying to get something passed at least

02:54:53.880 or at least trying to bring this up as a as a big issue otherwise they they are going to lose the

02:54:58.320 voters yeah i point something out here um i i don't have the statistics at hand but there have

02:55:09.060 been studies i believe of the abortion rate between uh catholics evangelicals and secular

02:55:17.620 women and it's not that different and i i would say well that probably reflects divorce rates

02:55:26.420 they're not that different what okay and i have no there has been no studies on this

02:55:32.820 are marriages among catholic people potentially more nasty than secular well i my perception my

02:55:46.420 experience is yes because a catholic woman does not believe in divorce but she wants to divorce

02:55:55.060 so she needs a good reason so she's going to come up with an excuse uh bad thoughts against children

02:56:04.980 kind of something like that to uh get a get out of jail free card so she can maintain her

02:56:14.500 standing in the church and avoid the shame uh he's right that's an interesting point that's

02:56:21.620 That's right.

02:56:22.860 He's right.

02:56:24.600 And it's true of being evangelicals, too, maybe to a lesser extent.

02:56:28.680 So I'm not singling out Catholics here.

02:56:32.420 Can we just bring back Stunninghows?

02:56:34.220 Catholic girls, come on.

02:56:36.460 I grew up around these Catholic chicks.

02:56:39.540 They will not convince me of anything.

02:56:41.760 No, we are not special.

02:56:43.900 I don't know much about it.

02:56:45.000 There's Orthodox.

02:56:45.940 Maybe they're a little better.

02:56:47.160 I don't know a lot of Orthodox people, but I'm sorry.

02:56:50.420 Your moms were just as hoes as the rest of our moms.

02:56:53.980 I mean, I've seen Catholic women cheat.

02:56:56.080 I've seen Catholic women alienate the kids from the father.

02:57:00.220 I've seen devout Catholics raise whore daughters.

02:57:03.120 I've seen devout Catholics raise good daughters.

02:57:05.600 I've seen it all.

02:57:06.800 You guys will convince me of nothing.

02:57:08.880 No, no, no.

02:57:09.920 It's no special.

02:57:11.060 I'm like, I grew up.

02:57:11.960 I went to Catholic school my entire life.

02:57:13.540 You will not.

02:57:15.240 People are people.

02:57:16.040 People are people.

02:57:17.160 People are people regardless of where you go.

02:57:19.160 That's what irritates me.

02:57:20.420 My dad, my dad always had a phrase he would say to me when I was growing up.

02:57:24.020 He would just, whenever something crazy or I'd find out something happened, he would just look at me and say, people are people.

02:57:29.960 People are people in the church, outside of the church.

02:57:32.640 People have a nature.

02:57:34.340 Your church isn't special or different.

02:57:36.460 Thank you.

02:57:38.940 Here's the sad thing about it.

02:57:41.660 If marriage is done, now, if you're coming from a biblical worldview, if marriage is done correctly, it is a beautiful thing, right?

02:57:50.420 You got this perfect harmony here, right?

02:57:52.820 You got this hierarchy.

02:57:54.440 You got the man loving his wife like Christ loved the church, you know, just taking care of her, educating her, watching her through the word.

02:58:03.220 That means teaching her the Bible because, you know, women ain't supposed to be preaching to nobody.

02:58:07.980 But, like, you have this beautiful thing.

02:58:09.880 She submits to him and his leadership, and he doesn't do any foul because he loves her as he loves himself, and he would not do anything foul to himself.

02:58:18.600 and she respects his leadership okay it's like there's this beautiful way that it's supposed to

02:58:25.320 be done but the churches doesn't even teach that way anymore it doesn't even support the original

02:58:31.640 model of marriage and you're like you're wondering why the church is failing at marriage we're

02:58:37.000 wondering they don't even teach the word right right i mean nick we have a whole book on this

02:58:41.400 and glenn what happens to those that do teach oh they get kicked out of the churches and they get

02:58:47.320 like me and my friends have done yeah well guys i'm gonna take i'm gonna take collins from the

02:58:54.140 public soon um so i'm gonna can i make one more point on that uh sure no more steve no more be

02:59:02.380 quiet yeah screw you yeah go ahead hey remember oh we're getting that season palm sunday everybody

02:59:11.560 welcomes christ oh yeah he's great

02:59:17.320 uh marriage you you get married and oh the husband is great great great and then what happens

02:59:27.800 about a week later year or two later crucify him crucify him so if we are like christ to our wives

02:59:40.520 um are they gonna go from loving us to wanting us dead well they already do

02:59:49.740 nick is laughing hey you know what i want to hear what he he has to say

02:59:56.780 oh man brother my experience exactly i was the greatest i'm this godly man i'm the devil himself

03:00:07.060 you know crucify him destroy him do you guys want to say where the people can find you

03:00:14.420 because i'm about to drop this link in the chat sure um you can find me on youtube at this is shah

03:00:21.460 that's shah spelled s-h-a-h this is shah thank you shah thank you so much for having me yeah

03:00:27.460 thanks for coming um the rest you guys want to go uh you can find me on twitter at uh cairo

03:00:37.060 underscore unplugged or xp underscore unplugged and i have a youtube channel i think it's like

03:00:45.000 i think you fix it but it's like uh nick or christianity nick at christianity unplugged

03:00:50.940 or something like that blessing don't let anyone from the link in yet just so you know

03:00:56.400 and you can't find me because i'm just on glenn's channel i haven't decided if i wanted a public

03:01:02.420 presence yet but glenn and i do a podcast every sunday

03:01:10.260 and uh you guys know you can find me you can find me at glenn lawrence presents

03:01:14.180 um on youtube uh mr glenn lawrence on twitter um and uh yeah thank you pearl thank you guys all for

03:01:21.940 coming on um okay guys so so guys um we are gonna go to you can you can take the zoom off there you

03:01:33.860 go okay so i'm gonna actually accept callers and my question is am i a feminist now i just i need

03:01:42.740 i need feedback from the people as you guys know i am no stranger to criticism you know um

03:01:50.100 Um, but we need some guidelines. Okay. Now, this is my show. This is my show. I put in a lot of

03:01:58.800 work to put on this show. And right now I'm doing it for free. Zero dollars, you know. So I am

03:02:05.020 allowed to have rules. And if you don't like my rules, you can kiss my ass and get the F off

03:02:09.560 respectfully. Okay. So number one, you do not over talk me. I don't care if you feel like you

03:02:19.980 deserve more mic time i will move to you and kick you off am i able to have the zoom on my scream

03:02:26.020 blessing no okay be good with my my kickoff all right you know you we're gonna kick someone off

03:02:35.320 we're gonna kick someone all right sometimes we're gonna kick someone off okay okay um someone's

03:02:41.660 asking for my instagram i've been banned on instagram okay number rule now question now i'd

03:02:47.460 really like to, my priority, I'd like to actually ask women because I've gotten so much pushback

03:02:52.600 from women. Everyone says I only want to talk to men. No women, no women, no women. So if there's

03:02:57.380 a woman in the chat, I really encourage you. I don't bite. I'm actually quite nice, you know,

03:03:01.540 regardless of what the people say. I want to know, am I a feminist? And we'll talk to the guys too,

03:03:08.520 but the chicks, I just think it would be nice to, you know, anyways. Stop saying my Nancy Pelosi

03:03:16.380 hand gestures. I'm sorry. I like to talk with my hands. All right. Okay. Sorry. All right. Number

03:03:23.220 two, number two, any personal attacks, any, you know, internet room, whatever you want to bring

03:03:36.320 up. I just, I'm not here to talk about drama. I'm asking, am I a feminist? So if you're going to

03:03:42.960 bring up your own random topic, get out of here. This isn't what we're here to talk. I'm asking,

03:03:48.540 am I a feminist for saying that marriage is a bad deal for men in 2024? If you're blocked on my

03:03:59.060 Twitter, I probably just think you're, I don't want to talk to you. So sorry, you don't get to

03:04:06.200 come on um i think that's do we have anyone in the chat how many people are in the zoom

03:04:13.040 okay let me all right i just kicked two guys off if you come on the zoom make sure your camera is

03:04:17.520 on otherwise oh yeah sorry camera's gotta be on we gotta write these rules i'm gonna pin it in the

03:04:22.620 chat um and wait until you're called up as well yeah can you mute um

03:04:32.940 are there any women that came on or is it all guys it was all guys and thank you guys on x we

03:04:41.200 got 2400 people on x wow uh please make sure you are liking reposting all of that good stuff thank

03:04:48.280 you thank you all right i'm gonna tweet i'm gonna tweet because i just the trad con women have had

03:04:53.860 so much to say to me so much to say to me and so i'm just asking the question all right

03:05:00.140 trad con i'm gonna tweet at you guys trad con women call me now all right get on the zoom

03:05:12.720 link for favor

03:05:16.760 is there any way i can see the the screen of who we let in without everyone else seeing it

03:05:28.260 uh no well then i can get up and do it because

03:05:33.300 there's some people that i'm not giving cloud until i see who i'm talking to

03:05:39.200 yeah they need to turn their cameras on first as well oh yeah no kick them off if they don't

03:05:43.880 have their cameras oh yeah just kick them kick it guys i mean what do you think who do you think

03:05:48.220 you are coming on the show i need to see your face you're not just gonna get to troll and say

03:05:52.620 what you want nope i need face i need face okay we got brennan here now okay wait wait wait wait

03:06:01.840 i'm putting straight i feel like we should have thought about this because what i don't want

03:06:09.400 now he looks like a mask guy okay we can bring up brennan okay i don't want any trolls that's

03:06:17.260 what i'm asking um yeah that's fine you can bring on second you didn't have time to turn well then

03:06:26.660 turn it on and turn the link again i mean i'm not gonna be able to go all night you know i'm just

03:06:32.420 saying second we got brennan on ready to go oh we got it we got a lady as well today all right the

03:06:40.560 lady can go second well we'll let brennan brennan seems like a nice guy all right so brennan you're

03:06:45.940 gonna be on first all right okay and hello brennan how are you i'm doing i'm doing well

03:06:54.920 um i'm a married christian guy i also appreciate the work you're doing um i am i have some thoughts

03:07:04.420 on this topic okay so i don't i don't think you're a feminist at all um i think that that's

03:07:10.480 kind of an outlandish accusation yeah i'm gonna call you a liberal yeah i think you're i think

03:07:14.840 you're reasonable okay um and i'm a married guy um i think outside of ultra orthodox christianity

03:07:20.800 where especially communal christianity so i'm a mennonite convert which is kind of like a

03:07:27.040 cousin to the amish um and so i'm using technology obviously but it's it's somewhat limited uh the

03:07:33.900 divorce rates are like three percent and part of the reason is people are highly interdependent

03:07:39.140 And there's an enormous amount of financial and social pressure not to get divorced.

03:07:44.140 So there are some groups that voluntarily associate that have a system that makes it that disincentivizes divorce.

03:07:53.200 Where are you at?

03:07:55.500 I'm located in Georgia.

03:07:57.580 Am I able to visit these communities?

03:07:59.740 I actually want to go see one.

03:08:01.920 Totally.

03:08:02.400 Yeah, absolutely.

03:08:03.220 Actually, you're a Midwesterner, right?

03:08:04.600 I don't know if you still live in the Midwest.

03:08:05.780 but uh i'm there's a i'm in london now but um there's one in chicago area that'd be ideal when

03:08:14.280 i'm home yeah there's actually quite a few yeah there's quite a few mennonite churches uh in

03:08:19.460 southern illinois uh so if you go to if you're willing to drive a couple hours um there's if

03:08:25.460 you look up the eastern pennsylvania mennonite church as well as there's a there's a website

03:08:29.860 called the Pilgrim Ministry, and you can find a map of Mennonite churches throughout the United

03:08:36.080 States. They are extremely conservative. Women wear head coverings and 1400 style dresses.

03:08:43.240 Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Could you show my screen? I'm going to show them the pictures of it.

03:08:51.400 Sorry, keep going. I'm just going to show them, blessing, show the screen real quick.

03:08:54.760 sure yeah so i i think there's quite a few um there are some ortho there are some and i use

03:09:03.440 the word orthodox not as an eastern orthodox but there are some very ultra conservative christian

03:09:08.040 options in the united states that prevent a lot of this nonsense and me and my wife we we were fed

03:09:13.420 up with what the churches were teaching and uh you know ultimately we decided we wanted to go

03:09:18.360 attend a church that actually followed what the bible said and uh some of you guys who were on

03:09:22.860 earlier they were talking about hey uh submitting to your husband uh you know and as well as loving

03:09:30.380 your wife as christ loved the church well there are some churches that do that so let me put it

03:09:35.820 this way so in a mennonite church um people uh insure each other for example so uh health insurance

03:09:43.500 car insurance uh you name it uh it's all through the church and people mutually assisting each

03:09:48.540 other so let's say you're someone who wants to divorce your husband for no reason you're now

03:09:52.700 opting there's a financial penalty for doing that you go and just walk off and divorce your husband

03:09:56.460 you're not throwing away your health insurance and your car insurance um health insurance car

03:10:01.140 insurance and medical insurance uh also yeah so i think that's like kind of churches organized that

03:10:07.000 way and create disincentives i think that's pretty effective so i'm confused so but they would still

03:10:14.420 be opted into the state right so like if she wanted i'm i just don't understand it so you can

03:10:20.940 just tell me if I'm right or I'm wrong. So if she's in a Mennonite community, and like, let's

03:10:26.480 just say, you know, your wife divorces you tomorrow, she loses the insurances that she

03:10:33.440 got through the church. So the church has this system of mutual aid. So there's this verse in

03:10:39.400 the Bible looking at each other's burdens. Right. And they, with you as a member, you swear off

03:10:44.720 health and health insurance. You swear off all welfare, you know, through the state. You swear

03:10:50.040 off auto insurance. And so basically the church itself provides through reimbursement, basically

03:10:58.680 it covers all these costs. So what that means is that that person's not inherently reliant on the

03:11:03.700 state. And if they want to become reliant on the state, of course, they can go through the court

03:11:07.240 system. They can still decide to go and do whatever any other woman in the United States could do.

03:11:13.680 However, there's a massive social cost. Mennonites are pretty well known, and they're cousins to the

03:11:19.740 Amish, but they're pretty well known for being intricately knit communities. And so if you were

03:11:25.720 to go and leave the church, you live with all your friends, your family, and no one is going to

03:11:29.760 support your decision to divorce your husband. So there's massive social pressure not to do so.

03:11:35.220 So between the financial and social pressure, most people decide that, hey, I don't want to

03:11:41.200 lose all my friends and not have my parents talk to me. And it doesn't necessarily result,

03:11:46.140 There isn't necessarily shunning like the Amish, but you're never going to hear the mother of some woman who's trying to possibly divorce her husband say, like, oh, you got him, girl.

03:11:56.260 You're really – you're a strong, empowered woman.

03:11:59.700 Like, that's just not a conversation that would occur.

03:12:02.400 So, yeah, just some food for thought.

03:12:04.200 I was thinking very much along the same lines as you.

03:12:06.580 I was very concerned about the future.

03:12:08.320 Hey, like, do the red pillar thing, prenups, you name it.

03:12:11.100 and over time i was like okay well um and also the united states isn't the only country uh there

03:12:17.820 are other countries that are like go think about paraguay you gotta do the tv thing blessing i

03:12:22.540 don't know if you see this but oh go ahead no no i think there's a the tv's about to turn off or

03:12:28.100 something but keep going sorry sure yeah no problem so there's there's uh you know there's

03:12:33.420 other countries that don't have such liberal divorce laws around no-fall divorce like paraguay

03:12:37.340 you name it you're you're in the uk right now yeah uh you know i'll tell you if you're if you're uh

03:12:41.340 if a man is worried about that and he's really concerned you know go join a mennonite colony

03:12:45.420 down in paraguay um where is paraguay it's adjacent to argentina uh and brazil and yeah

03:12:52.780 so it's it's a pretty conservative it's a majority catholic country but there's a very large uh

03:12:57.180 mennonite uh presence there there's a long history behind that but uh yeah this yeah yeah the united

03:13:02.780 states isn't the only option yeah the u.s sucks with its laws but there are some for those who

03:13:07.020 do want to get married there are some alternatives and uh you know that's as if you're going to become

03:13:12.620 benedict though i would not say this is you know like that should be the only issue you look at

03:13:16.540 and be like hey there's a low divorce rate and they pressure people not to get divorced there's

03:13:20.780 a lot more to anabaptist beliefs there one of the tenants is like yeah anyways i don't i don't want

03:13:26.460 to like you know i try to give you like a conversion talk or something like that you know

03:13:30.940 there's a lot to converting i'm guessing it's not that simple yeah so question can you hook me up

03:13:37.100 i've been trying for ages to find some people to i want to go to an om i've been seriously

03:13:42.140 wanting to go do like interviews in an amish or men in that like mennonites i guess close enough

03:13:48.540 you know would they go on camera or like it depends on the group and it depends on the

03:13:53.660 person you know hey it's everyone's an individual uh and that's true with the amish too it kind of

03:13:58.140 it depends on who you're talking to, but yes, I could. I know some people up in Maine who would

03:14:03.260 be willing to, I'm sure. Are you on Twitter? Are you on Twitter? I am, yeah. You should,

03:14:08.900 if you know anyone, because I would seriously come out. I've been wanting to do this video

03:14:13.300 forever, next time I'm in the U.S., so if you've got any contact, I really want to go to an Amish

03:14:18.840 place. That would be my number one, but if not, Mennonite would be cool, too, so. Cool. Yeah,

03:14:24.460 Feel free, if you have any contacts, DM me, because I've been wanting to do this video.

03:14:29.720 Sure, I'll make some calls.

03:14:32.240 All right, well, thank you very much for calling in.

03:14:35.720 Thank you.

03:14:36.380 Thank you.

03:14:37.400 All right, so the next caller.

03:14:40.660 Am I a feminist?

03:14:42.900 This is my question.

03:14:43.980 Am I a feminist for saying that marriage is objectively a bad deal for men in 2024?

03:14:51.420 Now?

03:14:51.860 and and feel free you can add any thoughts you have on on marriage you know that that was a

03:14:58.660 really cool story the men and i think so you know but that's that's the overall topic am i a feminist

03:15:05.120 for saying that and is marriage a good deal for men in 2024 so all right vet them make sure they're

03:15:14.780 not crazy we got hayley here all right all right hayley you're gonna come on now and you ready

03:15:21.820 yes i'm ready cool hello hayley how are you hey i'm good how are you i like the tie-dye you got

03:15:30.820 there oh thank you thank you um question so this may sound irrelevant but it kind of ties in a

03:15:37.680 little bit so you were on the show trigonometry i think it's called with the two guys i think

03:15:45.460 they're from england yeah yeah yeah okay um you said that there was a legal statement coming out

03:15:52.460 regarding why you interviewed nick fuentes where is that legal statement and also i made a video

03:15:58.840 about steven crowder's wife and then you deleted that video i want to know why okay okay we're

03:16:04.420 gonna we're gonna get rid of her see this is the thing with women i give one rule i give one rule

03:16:11.280 i say i i didn't delete any video with hillary but i say one rule ladies ladies ladies ladies

03:16:18.740 we're gonna kick you out yeah it's like it's like it's like women it's like we have the

03:16:26.280 you see the man comes on i say here are my rules the women can we talk about trigger

03:16:33.900 well okay anyways so next um all right we got um let's see what's next we have here uh

03:16:47.340 robert are you ready yes yes

03:16:53.980 all right okay thank you very much hope you guys can hear me okay hello is your name robert

03:17:01.340 uh yes it is nice to meet you so question of the day am i a feminist for saying that marriage is a

03:17:10.980 bad deal objectively for men in 2024 i would say not at all i would say the problem with this

03:17:17.800 discussion is it's too politically charged so it's hard to separate that you know if you're

03:17:25.440 trying to like a car was running rough you're like well how do i fix this everyone's going to

03:17:29.080 have a discussion because most people want to make relationship that works long term so we're

03:17:35.600 all on the same page but as soon as it gets political then it's just charged so if let's

03:17:40.300 say we're on a first date and I said something like well I'm not really big into marriage

03:17:45.760 well they're going to assume all sorts of things they're probably going to assume that

03:17:49.400 you know I'm afraid of commitment oh I only basically looking at someone for physical

03:17:56.600 relationships. I'm selfish. All those things are going to be loaded into that. Well, no,

03:18:02.220 the answer could be, no, I'm very happy to get married. I'm just terrified of getting

03:18:05.780 divorced. I mean, because those things can be brutal. I've had. Yeah. I've had one that's

03:18:14.740 gone on for three years. My attorney's been doing this for 49 years. He says the single

03:18:18.400 biggest parental alienation case he's ever seen. I've had over 20 investigations done

03:18:24.320 not me so these things can really really get nasty so it doesn't mean that you don't want to

03:18:28.700 find true love and make something work but yeah you could be very wary of that kind of stuff

03:18:33.420 because it's a huge cost to successfully to successfully win this case it takes

03:18:39.500 some doing i probably dropped easily over a hundred thousand dollars in legal bills and i

03:18:44.000 spend probably about on the average about 10 to 20 hours a week working on the legal front i've

03:18:50.000 lost track of how many times I've been in a courtroom. And it works. I have two wonderful

03:18:55.200 kids that are two and five, and I love them to death, and I would do it all over again.

03:19:00.520 You know, but it's stuff I never would have guessed would have happened before.

03:19:04.500 Did you end up getting custody?

03:19:09.420 I have a good deal of parenting time. So I roughly have weeks in the summer. Normally I have about

03:19:16.100 three three weekends a month for three days on days so i'm currently going back to court to

03:19:23.380 have my youngest rolled into the same parenting plan just because uh she left as soon as she

03:19:28.500 found out she was pregnant so they were making the argument that you know she was exclusively

03:19:33.060 breastfeeding but couldn't pump for a couple years so my time is more limited with my youngest

03:19:40.260 but eventually if you hang in there you really do survive i mean i like i said i've had so many

03:19:44.660 18 vhs investigations but eventually if you hang in there a lot of times the truth doesn't come out

03:19:51.260 yeah so how long was your divorce like how many years total uh we worked together a total of uh

03:20:00.040 four years and then um three years into it the divorce with final orders was a year but she

03:20:07.880 kept always alleging abuse and so every time she alleged abuse was emergency motion to go before

03:20:12.660 the courts and she was kind of in a small town so you know they basically it took a while to

03:20:19.300 kind of break through that as well but it's bizarre i mean my five-year-old doesn't even

03:20:25.300 toilet train at her house because she intentionally makes it so he can't be even though he's

03:20:29.380 used as a toilet at my house and at school so there's a lot of really bizarre things

03:20:34.260 so the kids have taken you know a serious blow because they're kind of being weaponized

03:20:39.780 But, you know, eventually, you know, I've had a really good judge, and I'm a very strong Christian, so I've had a lot of divine intervention.

03:20:49.660 I've really got one of the best attorneys you can have.

03:20:52.600 And eventually, I got a really good in-home therapist appointed, but each one of those would almost take like a three-, four-month legal battle.

03:20:59.440 Wow.

03:21:00.640 Those components in place.

03:21:02.360 and it takes a lot off those allegations because anyone i've dealt with that's a professional if

03:21:10.180 they're under 40 that me too movement is the thing they really just take whatever the woman

03:21:14.600 says at face value and you almost have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that those allegations

03:21:18.460 are false and it takes a lot of work to do that which is hence kind of the 10 to 20 hours a week

03:21:24.200 i usually have had to spend in this matter proving you didn't do something basically

03:21:31.400 Oh, yes.

03:21:33.180 And it started off with, like, any time that my poor kid got a bruise,

03:21:36.820 because it started when he was two years old, she'd be taking pictures,

03:21:39.220 they'd go to DHS.

03:21:40.740 And then she kept upping it to where it's like now it's, you know,

03:21:44.160 sexual abuse and all this kind of stuff.

03:21:46.000 So my poor kid has had multiple SANE exams done on him.

03:21:50.760 And it's really hard for a kid under the age of,

03:21:54.420 you can't hide a kid under the age of seven being sexualized,

03:21:57.380 especially that young.

03:21:58.200 It's very, very, very obvious.

03:21:59.700 and nothing wrong with the kid you know so it's pretty funny like uh you know his teacher will be

03:22:06.880 oh he's a wonderful kid he's normal and his mother's making his allegations that he can't

03:22:11.000 even wash his hands he can't take a bath he can't comb his hair and he can do all of it but because

03:22:17.200 we have very strict laws about you know with tip and everything that a teacher can't even talk to

03:22:23.120 a therapist without, you know, waivers being filed. So the only people that can even connect

03:22:29.860 dots are investigators. So the case is perfectly fine. Were there any glaring red flags, you would

03:22:39.800 say, about your ex-wife that in hindsight maybe like younger guys should look out for? Or would

03:22:45.960 you say there wasn't really any? Strangely enough, there really wasn't any until my first son

03:22:52.860 was born and then things changed pretty dramatically and I have a lot of really

03:23:00.360 good friends around me that are very professional and they didn't even see

03:23:04.140 anything so it kind of took all of us aback that things went this self this

03:23:10.260 quickly but I'm 47 myself so I'm rather older all that kind of stuff and I really

03:23:21.260 found that there are some very huge generational differences where things

03:23:24.800 kind of look okay on the surface but behind the scenes there's a lot going on

03:23:28.640 my understanding is almost one out of ten young people millennials to attempt

03:23:32.540 suicide I know so far was quadruple just in the last ten years so if you're

03:23:37.220 really people that have you know mental health issues you're not gonna you're

03:23:41.760 gonna really have to struggle to have a somewhat functional relationship and so

03:23:47.720 I kind of, a lot of it was just, she was young and a little inexperienced, but I didn't really

03:23:52.040 see it for what it was because I was 40 and she was roughly 29.

03:23:57.500 Oh, okay.

03:23:58.720 Okay.

03:23:59.200 Got it.

03:24:00.760 Well, thank you for, um, thank you for calling in.

03:24:04.140 I appreciate you telling me your story.

03:24:06.860 Oh, no.

03:24:07.500 Thank you for all that you do.

03:24:08.680 I am so grateful for your podcast because I wish I could properly cite the person you

03:24:17.160 said this but it was brilliant he's basically said that we all have primitive minds trying

03:24:22.040 to navigate medieval institutions with almost god-like technology and it's rather difficult

03:24:27.360 to get those things to juxtapose correctly yeah and then to have a functioning you know

03:24:32.160 relationship so it's not because anyone's really messing things up it's just it is pretty

03:24:36.000 difficult now yeah and but yet we all yearn for a good relationship we truly do so thank

03:24:42.000 you for bringing the dangers of this because yeah i mean i work literally over 100 hour weeks to pay

03:24:48.880 my attorneys yeah and you know it's a mess so yeah thank you very much for calling in

03:24:56.540 thank you god bless all right um someone says pearl is bill like a linebacker rude um rude

03:25:07.340 katherine um okay who's all right we got the next caller dale do we have do we have a chick that

03:25:17.180 tried to get in or is that the same chick nah she she's gone the one that was here that she left

03:25:23.080 i just these crazy ladies i knew she was gonna be trouble then why'd you let her it's like

03:25:27.000 blessing i mean it's gonna be why would you why would you let her in if you knew she was gonna

03:25:30.760 be trouble i gave a little bit of hope you know i mean i mean it's like they'll be like pearl

03:25:36.140 there's good women i mean come on my stream then sorry all right we got dale coming up now

03:25:43.920 um hello dale hello pearly how are you good how are you i'm doing all right all right so am i a

03:25:52.920 feminist because i say objectively marriage is a bad deal for men in 2024 okay i'm gonna define

03:26:01.340 in marriage before I get to the feminist part.

03:26:04.840 And so being a Christian,

03:26:07.440 I define marriage as between a man and a woman

03:26:10.480 and that a husband and wife have defined roles.

03:26:15.340 And a husband is called to love his wife

03:26:18.300 like Christ loved the church and to lead by example,

03:26:21.240 by self-sacrifice,

03:26:22.660 even if it's down to the cost of his life.

03:26:25.060 He has to provide that safe and secure environment

03:26:28.540 for that woman.

03:26:29.920 and they are designed to work together.

03:26:31.920 And the woman is supposed to then provide

03:26:35.080 the needs of the husband.

03:26:36.460 And when they work together,

03:26:37.680 they restore the image of God on the earth

03:26:40.920 because it is to demonstrate the relationship

03:26:44.480 between Christ and his father

03:26:46.760 in a way that makes sense to human beings.

03:26:49.360 And they're supposed to be united and to be one flesh.

03:26:52.940 And so absolutely, that is with the right person

03:26:56.220 who has the right character,

03:26:58.260 It is definitely the most beneficial thing that any man can do, because the whole of the man and the woman working together will be greater than the sum of its parts.

03:27:08.720 It's impossible for a man to be.

03:27:10.980 Right, but I'm not talking about like this.

03:27:14.560 No, no, just hold on.

03:27:16.220 No, no, you don't get to, this isn't how that works.

03:27:19.060 Okay, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, continue.

03:27:21.240 Just kick him, just kick him.

03:27:22.280 Go ahead.

03:27:22.800 Just kick him, we'll go to the next one.

03:27:24.200 I just I don't like the I don't like people talking back to me on my own show look at I put

03:27:30.700 in a lot of work to this see this see this this isn't your monologue I'm just I'm showing you

03:27:36.740 guys not you know he can come back on the next show but I'm showing you guys my rules for coming

03:27:42.300 on no this is not you get to come on here and do as long of a monologue as you want

03:27:49.620 and pearl pearl doesn't get to interrupt you on your own show if you're talking if you're

03:27:56.400 chain if you're going to random no you don't get to hold you can do that on your channel

03:28:03.800 if i meet you on the street i'll be polite you know but here here it's super simple i i give i

03:28:13.360 give these easy rules. I give these easy rules. I give so, it's so easy. Okay. I'm going to go

03:28:24.420 through them again. I'm going to go through them again. And I think they're reasonable. One,

03:28:36.360 you don't get to come on and pick your topic. Two, two, two, two. No over talking me. It's

03:28:47.200 my show. No over talking me. All right. Three. Three. I forgot the other. I need to write

03:28:59.600 these down okay okay no and turn your cameras oh turn your cameras on and for oh yeah don't back

03:29:11.120 talk it's just like who do you guys think you are go on your own channel go okay thank you we'll go

03:29:19.380 to the next one we'll try again and by the way by the way this is not if you can disagree with me

03:29:26.160 i am totally fine with the disagreement but what you're not gonna do is over talk

03:29:33.520 and talk back to me that's that's i don't really care and if you don't like it i don't really give

03:29:39.840 a go start your own show that no one watches okay next yeah next one all right i'm gonna bring on

03:29:47.760 elena first uh preston you're gonna have to hold on because

03:29:50.640 because he'll be wanting to talk to a female you have one coming up

03:29:54.820 let's see get your mic ready please uh lena i'm asking you to unmute

03:30:04.040 all right and pal you ready

03:30:07.020 oh hello hi pearl great to see you thank you i've seen you before somewhere were you on glenn's

03:30:16.240 stream i have been yeah oh i was like i recognized you so question of the day see look at i just

03:30:23.680 want to i just want to show you guys do you see how she comes in with a smile on her face you see

03:30:28.260 like everyone says i i don't hate women i just hate combative women look at her she's friendly

03:30:34.200 she's like happy to be here look at her and she could disagree with me i wouldn't even care

03:30:38.600 okay sorry all right am i a feminist for saying that objectively marriage is a bad deal for men

03:30:45.180 in 2024? Well, in 2024, I don't think you would be considered as a feminist for saying this,

03:30:53.360 because we have to be realistic here, right? How does the marriage end for men? It doesn't end

03:30:58.800 great for most men, right? I'm not talking about like the top 10% of the men that all women want

03:31:05.040 to be with, right? So no, I wouldn't call you a feminist. In fact, I agree with a lot of what

03:31:11.660 you're saying and i think that we actually need more women like you oh thank you where are you

03:31:17.060 from i'm originally from russia but i've been living in europe and i've been here in the u.s

03:31:23.640 for over eight years now tell me what i'm curious is there a big when did you you had to have lived

03:31:31.360 in russia you have an accent still so were you there yeah yeah i still have yeah it's something

03:31:36.180 that people have been no no i'm asking because were you old enough to to know the dating culture

03:31:41.940 there because i'm just curious if there's a difference that you've seen like in the west

03:31:45.640 versus russia well if you're talking about feminism we have it in russia too okay and

03:31:52.900 i think at this point it doesn't matter where you go you just have to be careful you have to

03:31:58.980 vet women carefully applying the rational criteria no matter where you are and uh in terms of culture

03:32:06.740 there are certain differences in terms of how women view game i think that they have a better

03:32:12.340 understanding of game in russia than in the west but um they're still women you know female nature

03:32:20.660 like your dad was saying you know it's in all of us we are all humans uh we want pretty much the

03:32:26.820 same things you know so women are going to be women men are going to be men anywhere you go

03:32:31.380 okay um what do you think what do you think about the passport bros do you think that's a good idea

03:32:39.380 to do that to go to russia well right now i would say i would just stay away and stay away from

03:32:48.820 russia from ukraine um yeah wait until the conflict resolves itself um oh really why

03:32:56.500 yeah well do you know what happens now in between russia and ukraine i don't well no i know there's

03:33:03.020 like the the war but i was more asking how does that oh it's also like dating um um

03:33:11.380 it's a tricky question you know as i said before there are feminists there as well so if you're

03:33:17.860 hoping that uh russian women are somehow going to be different they are not they are the same

03:33:23.920 women you're killing dreams out here maybe maybe maybe if you go to like a provincial town somewhere

03:33:30.640 in the village you know maybe you'll be lucky to find some girl who hasn't been completely

03:33:38.240 brainwashed but if you go to big cities usually foreigners prefer st peterburg or moscow you know

03:33:44.720 the the bigger cities that have more civilization let's say yeah um you're going to find feminists

03:33:52.160 Okay. I just, I, um, I don't speak to Russians often. So I was just curious while I had you on.

03:33:58.980 So, so you don't think I'm a feminist for saying that it's a bad deal in 2024. Wow. That's so

03:34:07.400 crazy. I didn't think I'd ever get a girl. I think you are one of the most traditional women

03:34:12.240 who have been raised with the dead. And this is what I keep saying to women that, um, having this

03:34:18.980 masculine presence in your life it's so important for women and i i just um feel very frustrated to

03:34:27.680 see a lot of girls being raised by a single mother or by the father who is not um um you know who

03:34:36.160 doesn't have the authority in the family yeah because it has been taken away from him so the

03:34:40.960 mother is the one who is in charge she's taking all of the decisions for the father and for the

03:34:45.700 kids and uh the girls just turned out to be um very promiscuous women that men don't actually

03:34:55.220 want the the men that these women want men don't want them you know yeah yeah um

03:35:03.860 well it was very nice to meet you thank you for calling in thank you for calling calling anytime

03:35:10.340 chica thank you take care you too take care all right so you know i just wanted to i just wanted

03:35:16.500 to i just wanted to point out to the women because i think sometimes you see how she

03:35:23.940 comes in with a smile on her face she's happy even if you're a liberal okay even if you're a crazy

03:35:29.700 lady you can still come in smiling happy it's not that hard so thank you thank you give me a little

03:35:38.420 hope um okay who's we'll do maybe one more uh we got two guys that can go that's been waiting for

03:35:48.760 a long time maybe uh yeah why are you i'm tired it's like it's like two in the morning all right

03:35:56.560 all right sorry one of you guys all right bring them on at the same time just bring them we'll

03:36:01.240 go together all right we'll go together but if you guys tag team and go crazy i'm gonna i'm gonna

03:36:05.800 protest i fought for you guys they're like go crazy i do i what up guys all right hello hey

03:36:20.680 what's going on pearl so my question of the day is am i a feminist um for saying that marriage is

03:36:27.880 a bad deal for men in 2024 if yes or no tell me why um we'll start with the gentleman in the

03:36:34.760 middle what's your name uh preston preston and then what was the other guy's name randall randall

03:36:42.680 okay preston go ahead and then randall you can go next hey pearl huge fan of the show uh no i don't

03:36:49.640 think that you are a feminist for believing what you believe um what i do think though and it's not

03:36:57.800 necessarily criticism but what i do believe is that the way in which you present the information

03:37:03.080 um leads traditional conservatives and others to make inferences that you are

03:37:08.440 yeah it's it's very and i think it's more of a modern thing with the younger generations

03:37:15.440 to to include obviously we're probably in the same generation but it's very matter-of-factual

03:37:22.000 it's very cold it's very objective it's it's very leaving the emotion out of it and you're

03:37:28.340 entering into an environment with people like michael knowles who their entire emotional

03:37:34.180 presence is tied up in catholicism and a part of that is marriage and so he makes these inferences

03:37:39.940 based upon what he believes and what you believe and it's like no it couldn't be further from the

03:37:44.660 truth um yeah what do you think um i don't think you're a feminist um i'm not a fan of femin uh

03:37:56.420 feminism uh and uh props to you for your success uh seeing some of your youtube clips and

03:38:06.100 follow you on x and i just think it's great uh what you're doing uh giving that perspective from

03:38:13.220 the female stance and it's just natural men men have roles and tendencies and women we're both

03:38:19.460 needed we're both necessary but um so i'm on your side and i'm really just doing this to say hey and

03:38:26.180 this is cool i can't believe i got selected well thank you guys for calling in um i i appreciate

03:38:33.780 the input thank you bro thank you all right all right fellas how fun was that i think we should

03:38:43.460 do call-in shows more i was hoping to have that chick that wanted to like the crazy lady i was

03:38:49.380 hoping she would talk about the discussion and not her agenda because i am interested in talking to

03:38:55.620 to more people that disagree with me. I think it would be a better show, but it's okay. We'll get

03:39:02.640 those as we go on, but this is going to be the new show format, so let me know what you guys think

03:39:08.940 in the comments. I think I might even react to the entire Michael Knowles thing, especially if we

03:39:14.740 get re-monetized. That is the first thing I'm going to react to. I'll react to that entire

03:39:19.920 debate from start to finish it'll do it'll be like a quajillion light year debate okay so

03:39:26.100 next time we are streaming i'm streaming monday at the same time 8 gmt is that three eastern

03:39:32.220 blessing uh i think so okay let's check thank yeah thank you thank you i don't know if that's

03:39:40.500 in American times.

03:39:42.940 That's three Eastern.

03:39:48.260 You know, so, you know, guys,

03:39:52.320 now the other criticism that I've gotten time and time again

03:39:56.840 is that Pearl is a feminist.

03:39:58.880 And I think conservatives, I would really caution you,

03:40:03.780 I would very much caution you from overusing that word.

03:40:10.500 because you've already done it, and it's not going to work. Men aren't stupid. Men are not

03:40:16.280 stupid. They see what's going on, and you cannot shame men into a bad deal. I don't tell men what

03:40:22.560 to do, as I've said before. I think you guys are grown men. Don't listen to a chick about what to

03:40:27.920 do with your life. I mean, I'm not going to be the one that has to answer to you in divorce court.

03:40:33.980 I'm not going to be the one that, you know, if you're alone at 55, I'm not going to be the one

03:40:39.500 that you have to answer to every guy has to decide for himself what's a good idea for him

03:40:46.200 i think men should think for themselves not have podcasters at the daily wire think for them or

03:40:52.520 have me think for them doesn't make sense to me but you know um if you guys want to support the

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03:41:18.560 um okay let me that's four east what four four eastern

03:41:28.800 um i saw derek donated 20 dollars so did justin 20 dollars oh it's for eastern oh i totally

03:41:40.680 thought it wasn't um oh wait here we go oh good randy good job andre campbell thank you randy

03:41:54.540 martin martin josh chris dylan smith yeah so thank you to all of you guys um if you want to

03:42:02.140 donate the cash app is in the corner i wonder if we can make it bigger for next time blessing

03:42:07.500 yeah it's cash out pearly things and venmo just underscore pearly things also we have a website

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God won't STOP Your WIFE from LEAVING YOU ｜ Reviewing the @DailyWirePlus Debate!

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