Pearl - Happy Single Mother's Day

00:00:00.000 guys welcome to the audacity network and welcome to an episode of pearl daily i'm sorry guys it's

00:00:06.820 been a minute i've been traveling and my critics and detractors have said pearl

00:00:11.840 get back into the kitchen pearl you're just a modern woman and i really i took their complaints

00:00:19.320 seriously and i said all right now i stream from the kitchen are you happy

00:00:26.700 are you guys happy i mean

00:00:30.640 it says we hear you yeah i think they can it says no audio but i think they're coming in the chat

00:00:39.040 late i think they are okay so today i want to talk about mother's day now i've gotten some

00:00:49.680 flack for this opinion. I've gotten some flack. Why are we celebrating single mothers? When I hear

00:01:00.860 a celebration, I hear something good that has happened. For example, when you graduate high

00:01:08.880 school. You celebrate graduating high school because it's a feat. It's an accomplishment.

00:01:18.560 Another example that I can think of is

00:01:21.780 graduating college, maybe getting a promotion at work,

00:01:30.360 at another year of being alive and healthy on your birthday. But what I don't understand

00:01:39.440 is the tendency we have as a society to celebrate, no, no, sorry, the tendency we have as women

00:01:48.320 to celebrate bad decisions. Now, men, when men make a poor decision, they learn from it, they move on.

00:01:56.700 they will never be public about that bad decision but I'm seeing women you know guys a lot of times

00:02:07.560 as women we can take L's it's just part of life but you know men take L's all the time I mean

00:02:13.720 who hasn't taken an L but what we have now is women celebrating L's I have seen women 0.82

00:02:23.620 try to normalize sleeping with 50 guys in a year. I've seen women try to normalize. I even seen a 1.00

00:02:31.320 woman bragging a TikTok account about herpes. Like what the hell? And now you guys want to celebrate 0.89

00:02:39.400 single motherhood. Guys, if you are a single mother, it's for one of three reasons. Now I'd

00:02:46.080 like to say widows are in a different category. You guys didn't choose that unless you chose some 1.00

00:02:51.740 drug dealer thug that got shot. That's another one. That's, that's just, I I've met, I've met 0.96

00:02:58.560 a couple of you. I've, I've met a couple of you widows. That's a different category. That's just 0.87

00:03:02.860 the poor decision-making, but for the widows out there that married, not drug dealers,

00:03:09.140 not, you know, not men in, in the streets, right? The women that married say, you know,

00:03:17.500 veterans soldiers I don't know a guy who just got cancer sick whatever you are in a different

00:03:26.120 category this is not directed at you you ladies you guys that that is a big that is very sad and

00:03:33.640 empathetic not talking about you who I am talking about if you are a single mother it's for two

00:03:42.260 reasons. Number one, you decided to not wear a condom. Now let's go through all of the decisions 0.99

00:03:52.760 you have to make to become a single mother, because it's not just one decision. It's not

00:04:00.340 just one. You know, a lot of you guys, and I've spoken, remember guys, I've interviewed a thousand

00:04:06.280 people. And a lot of you women I would talk to on my show would say that you had a kid by mistake

00:04:15.520 or it just happened. And I had to think to myself, how stupid you have to be to have it just happen. 1.00

00:04:26.360 Now, first choice you have to make is, I do not want to wait till marriage. Now look at, I'm not 1.00

00:04:32.760 gonna I'm not gonna shame you guys for that right I mean come on it's 2024 and only three percent

00:04:41.160 even these trad women they didn't even do that so we have three percent that wait till marriage 0.92

00:04:47.840 all right so that's step one okay fine now we have to make another decision have sex with a guy 0.95

00:04:57.380 that wants to be a father or doesn't want to be a father, you know, but then, you know what? 0.99

00:05:05.060 Well, let's, let's take a step back, at least have sex with a guy that would be a, a good, 0.99

00:05:10.700 an okay father, like mediocre. Like if he got you pregnant, it wouldn't be the end of the world. 0.99

00:05:21.280 has a job. Okay. So that's, that's, that's a decision. Who do we sleep with? We can pick,

00:05:33.020 I don't know. Some of you pick drug dealers, some, you know, whatever. Or we can pick,

00:05:40.040 you know, guys, stable men with jobs that it wouldn't be the end of the world.

00:05:45.260 okay let's let's let's keep going let's keep going through the decision making

00:05:52.280 then we have to think do i want to be on birth control now i know birth control

00:05:59.740 does have many side effects and it can affect your fertility later

00:06:03.740 but so can

00:06:08.320 stds you know and if you guys aren't wearing condoms you know and so can so can i don't know

00:06:16.620 having a kid with the wrong guy right but okay so let's just say you're you're a reason you're 0.64

00:06:22.780 you're a chick who says i don't i don't want to mess with my fertility i don't want to be on birth 0.99

00:06:26.580 control. Okay, fine. The next decision is, do we have sex with a condom or without a condom?

00:06:42.900 No, I'm actually going to back up one. The next decision is to track your cycle. Guys, 0.80

00:06:50.100 there's like five days a month you have a high probability of getting pregnant,

00:06:53.860 like five days a month. You actually, it's not, it's not, I'm not going to say you're going to be

00:07:03.940 risk-free, but it's pretty unlikely. So there's a choice, but let's continue. The next choice,

00:07:15.540 condom or no condom, right? You could say, right, unless the guy is graping you, right?

00:07:23.860 which we're not talking about that, you could say, baby, dear, honey,

00:07:31.880 stranger, I don't know you guys' life, but please, could we use protection?

00:07:40.000 And most guys, I mean, sure, sure, sure, they may say, oh, dang it,

00:07:46.720 but that's a choice right you can you can choose to let them raw right or not we have so many

00:08:01.140 choices now mind you a lot of conservatives want to say pearl pearl pearl but men have a choice

00:08:07.440 you're right men have the condom choice but that's it we have all these choices now let's just say

00:08:14.500 you made all the bad decisions you're not on birth control you let them finish in you

00:08:18.600 we and let's just say it's a drug dealer criminal you can still run to walgreens and get a plan b 0.97

00:08:27.620 can we not am i am i crazy for suggesting am i insane

00:08:36.800 now again we still have choice after that we have the choice

00:08:46.320 to go get an abortion now i understand maybe maybe you're a pro-life all right

00:08:51.880 i certainly am i would never get an abortion but it is legal so again if you're a single mother 1.00

00:09:00.080 you're one of two things you're stupid because I I I do not know how you can go through all of 1.00

00:09:08.820 these steps and still become a single mom or or or selfish because the other half of you 1.00

00:09:21.600 are single mothers because you divorced or broke up a relationship and the number one 1.00

00:09:28.200 reason is irreconcilable differences. That is the number one reason cited. So that means that

00:09:36.800 you are too selfish and want your feelings above your kids. And fine, so be it. I mean,

00:09:45.340 I don't think if you're a single mother, you're necessarily a bad person per se.

00:09:51.140 I don't think it makes you, I think there are some single mothers that are good people.

00:09:55.100 But what I don't like is praising women like they're martyrs, like somehow you making a

00:10:07.200 billion poor decisions makes you a hero.

00:10:13.800 Well, let me get this straight. 0.97

00:10:15.180 So you decided to let a guy have sex with you who wanted nothing to do with you after the sex. 0.99

00:10:34.340 He said, nope, don't want to be a dad. 0.99

00:10:36.380 Nope, nope, nope. 1.00

00:10:37.320 Oh, no, not with you, crazy hoe. 1.00

00:10:39.540 And you said, you said... 0.99

00:10:45.180 I am a martyr.

00:10:55.420 You said, you said, and it's so funny because you guys, you tweet about this.

00:11:02.480 You guys put this on Facebook. 0.99

00:11:04.780 You guys make statuses about how somehow we should praise you for being dumb enough to get pregnant by a guy that wants nothing to do with you. 0.99

00:11:15.180 And you want me to have sympathy? You want me to feel bad? Ladies, this is what we call 0.99

00:11:22.820 taking the L and moving on. Now, guys, look it. You know, I'll tell you what. 0.94

00:11:32.560 There's a clip that's going viral in me that I was talking about an L I took. It's a bit

00:11:36.760 embarrassing. It's a bit embarrassing. It was an L. You know, they said, Pearl, Pearl, Pearl.

00:11:41.960 you were dating a guy and you got left for an older woman and guys she wasn't that much older

00:11:49.320 it was like a couple years like let's not it wasn't like she was old old but you know what

00:11:54.560 yeah it was an L it was just an L I wasn't celebrating it it was big L you know but it's

00:12:00.880 life you know and what we're doing now is we are celebrating Mother's Day you know and I don't you

00:12:10.600 know so i propose we only celebrate married mothers or mothers that at least did not break

00:12:18.120 up their family by the time the kid was 16 you know if the woman put in 16 years i think we

00:12:25.940 should give her a pass i think i really you know i and i think the men could agree i think the men

00:12:33.380 would be like yeah you know 16 years that's a trooper right if she didn't put him on alimony

00:12:38.420 you know, child support. I think we could agree. I really think we could. Now,

00:12:50.220 now, let me continue. Let me continue. So now what we have is single mothers not only taking 0.98

00:13:01.560 else, but rationalizing these Ls. So not only do they take them, but they find a way to blame 0.76

00:13:09.080 everyone else. So I want to bring up this article by Lauren Southern. Tell me when they can see my

00:13:16.880 screen can they they can okay so lauren southern recently posted an article now for those of you

00:13:32.080 that don't know lauren southern was a far right i would say influencer back in the day back in the

00:13:42.120 day i mean let me pull this up one second sorry guys we're gonna you can take off my screen for

00:13:49.880 one second i'm gonna pull up lauren southern okay lauren southern best moments just so you

00:13:57.320 guys can get an idea of the shit she used to do online now are we pulling this up okay great

00:14:05.100 my hat people might think you're laughing at them oh i am you are i absolutely am you guys 0.98

00:14:14.420 are hilarious you guys are a total joke here you know well i guess we probably are then yeah

00:14:19.120 i'll take that then oh you can't steal my property excuse me

00:14:24.600 i love that antifa just has an absolute respect for people's rights and their private property

00:14:33.960 it's beautiful that is the mainstream media this is the reality of the camp uh all men on their

00:14:41.080 cell phones that are all not from syria they're all from sudan and afghanistan and this is what

00:14:46.020 the media will show okay so you guys get the idea i mean she was the trad chick you know and and her

00:14:52.220 stuff was it was pretty good you know i mean back in the day right and the thing is she built her

00:14:59.280 whole brand off of traditionalism and I'll tell you this tough thing when you're you know when

00:15:06.900 you're when that's what we we do all of your followers expect you to answer to them now 0.97

00:15:15.840 you know there's some women um like I'll say Michaela Peterson I mean that chick took an 0.96

00:15:26.120 she was a single mother her whole brand was kind of the same thing you know we're gonna say what 0.99

00:15:31.820 we want about Michaela but I'm gonna say one thing I respect that chick did not go on a divorce tour 1.00

00:15:38.180 and so many women I've just seen going on these divorce tours they cannot rationalize their bad 0.98

00:15:44.940 decisions so they need to assassinate the man's character okay so does promoting marriage and 0.99

00:15:54.720 motherhood inevitably make women easy targets for subordinate status, increase vulnerability, 1.00

00:16:03.340 and a return to second class status. So again, one of the first columns I wrote at Unheard back

00:16:13.200 in 2019 described for me how becoming a mom and giving up a great deal of liberal ideology I'd

00:16:19.800 embraced when I was younger, but because it was impossible to square with the embodied reality

00:16:25.720 of caring for a baby, a reality, a relatively conventional home turned out to be much

00:16:31.600 more fulfilling than a radical one I'd adopted with my progressive politics.

00:16:38.760 My accounts of questioning this individualistic ideology and embracing motherhood and marriage

00:16:44.580 have resonated resonated with social conservatives most of these it goes without saying feel as I do

00:16:51.080 that family life and women's distinctive sex realities should be better understood and valued

00:16:57.000 in the public conversation same some though take more of a hard line positions that women should

00:17:03.520 never work for example that we should always be submissive or even that women's right to vote

00:17:09.380 should be repealed I mean who thinks that that's super crazy 1.00

00:17:14.580 so one i don't think women should never work in fact i think more housewives would be served to 1.00

00:17:24.800 get jobs the lazy ones whose kid whose kids are in public school and gone eight hours a day 1.00

00:17:30.080 i mean you could do something i mean let's not pretend like these women are like 1.00

00:17:35.680 super elite housewives nowadays but surely as any stance which which risks lending momentum

00:17:43.780 to such an extreme arguments cannot be in women's interests i explored this question recently with

00:17:49.600 the canadian far right brand right wing firebrand lauren southern whose early videos content

00:17:57.240 challenged liberal feminists orthodoxly and promoted domestically our stories are both

00:18:05.120 similar in some respects both of us embraced radical politics in our early 20s okay blah blah

00:18:12.680 blah all right southern story might easily serve as a cautionary tale for how socially

00:18:21.520 conservative talking points can lead women into danger 1.00

00:18:24.920 this is what i mean

00:18:31.520 oh my gosh danger really we're going to compare marriage to danger 0.98

00:18:39.320 true this is the older women we have to learn from my god from where i lost my 20s to commune 1.00

00:18:47.480 life and niche sexualities she left media at 22 to embrace a socially conservative template for 0.99

00:18:54.180 women the lifestyle often idealized by social media influencers as trad wife except it wasn't 0.87

00:19:00.940 all 50s pine folks and cute cupcakes it was a living hell nor as she had learned was she the 0.99

00:19:08.380 only conservative woman in this position. Comparing our experiences, two things emerge.

00:19:15.160 Firstly, that this was not simply a matter of the right being uniquely toxic for women,

00:19:21.240 though as Southern's story reveals, there is plenty of scope for toxicity. Its rather

00:19:27.600 purest ideologies as such map at best uneasily onto the practical realities of life as a woman

00:19:36.520 and especially as a mother and secondly that the simple that the simplifying polarizing incentives

00:19:43.100 baked into contemporary internet are increasingly warping the ideologies of both the right and the

00:19:49.840 left into such extreme forms that any sincere effort to apply these into real life will almost

00:19:55.440 inevitably be almost inevitably be the stuff of nightmares southern was perhaps the most

00:20:03.460 tele telegenetic figure in the brash young and online all right movement which emerged in the 0.58

00:20:10.500 2010s quickly gaining international notoriety for her views on mass immigration islam racially

00:20:18.220 okay blah blah blah i don't care what she used to do blah blah blah okay we get it she was the far

00:20:24.520 right all right here we go then abruptly she disappeared in 2019 to embrace marriage and

00:20:31.100 motherhood in her husband's home country of Australia. She was, it seemed, all ready to

00:20:36.900 embrace the nurturing feminine domestic role promoted by right-wing traditionalists, 1.00

00:20:42.840 ideally by trad wife influencers, and criticized by progressives as dangerous and stupid. 1.00

00:20:48.720 Four years later, though, Southern caused a new round of shockwaves, this time with a video 0.99

00:20:54.440 recounting what happened next. The breakdown of her abusive marriage, her return to Canada as a

00:20:59.420 single mother and a stint living hand to mouth in a cabin in the woods now I want to I just want

00:21:09.100 to show you guys something so Lauren Southern we're just going to do Lauren Southern this chick 0.98

00:21:15.440 all right I mean oh is there a new documentary coming out oh no I heard she was making a

00:21:22.140 documentary about me and us I guess but like I just want to look at this stuff

00:21:29.420 I gotta find this hold on it's this girl this chica gotta find it 1.00

00:21:40.900 there's always some drama around this the truth about Ali Dawa 1.00

00:21:49.780 oh the whole truth this girl just she just like sits in the woods and bitches so 1.00

00:21:59.300 she first sits in the woods and bitches the whole conservative makes this woman a megastar 1.00

00:22:05.240 and then she decides 1.00

00:22:11.400 to me to them all basically I'm not going to go into the I could react to that a different day

00:22:20.380 but there's a ton of holes in that story and then and I don't know if this is still up

00:22:26.220 but she had like an hour-long video talking about her husband

00:22:31.740 let me find this hold on I should have been prepped sorry guys I've been

00:22:38.680 and her whole story was that this man was abusive it's the same trope over and over again

00:22:46.280 women love calling men abusive and guys I'm to the point I don't know if I have met

00:22:51.620 a single woman that I believe was abused. I really, I, it's getting to that point. And

00:23:12.140 yeah, you know, did she delete it? Oh, she deleted it. Well, you know, and then if she

00:23:17.260 had deleted it and never spoken about this again, I wouldn't have to do this stream, 1.00

00:23:21.100 but now I have to, because she wrote a freaking article, an article. Southern has attacked 0.99

00:23:27.400 a virtuolic criticism from the right for openly speaking about how trad life went wrong for her.

00:23:35.660 Now, Lauren, why? Look it. It's totally fine. Your marriage didn't work out. Okay. It happens.

00:23:45.380 you're you're a statistic most people are statistics why do you have to make this a

00:23:51.300 spectacle that's my question i mean your kid i think at some point is going to want to hang

00:23:58.260 out with his dad is that the best that this is on the internet and no no trad people are saying

00:24:06.820 anything nothing she however said she sees speaking out not as a betrayal of her own side

00:24:14.100 but as continuous with her earlier willingness to challenge the progressive consensus on topics

00:24:23.240 such as immigration. Like, I mean, do you care if the chick talking about immigration is married or 0.99

00:24:28.320 not? I mean, I don't really give a shit. Like, I'm not worried about saying things I'm saying 0.99

00:24:37.220 right now. These are getting me, that are getting me attacked online because I've dealt with this

00:24:42.200 with South Africa. I've dealt with this with mass immigration. I've dealt with this with 1.00

00:24:46.180 my critiques of feminism. And every single one turned out, oh, maybe she was on to something. 0.99

00:24:54.620 For sure, she's telling me, for she tells me she's not alone. She tells me many other,

00:24:59.780 and guys, when the whole Steven Crowder thing happened, I said that these women have a group

00:25:06.400 chat, and they go after people. And everybody said, everyone said, Pearl, you're crazy. Pearl, 0.97

00:25:13.880 ha ha, there's no group chat. Pearl, Pearl, Pearl. And I was fucking right. I was freaking right.

00:25:23.740 Sorry, I shouldn't swear so much. I'm a flawed person. I was right. She says,

00:25:30.000 There are many other women still suffering in unhappy trad life marriages.

00:25:39.720 One of her group chats, she says, is like an underground railroad for women

00:25:46.220 in the conservative movement.

00:25:55.500 some of these prominent some of these are prominent media figures there are a lot of

00:26:03.020 influencers who are not in good relationships who are still portraying the marriage publicly

00:26:07.240 and bashing people for not being married while being in a horrendous relationship so this is

00:26:12.320 what i told you guys what women tend to do is before the marriage is even over the relationship 1.00

00:26:17.300 is over she's been shit talking to you to the entire community for years you could have been 0.99

00:26:22.760 thinking because most men don't see divorce coming you could have been thinking everything's 0.99

00:26:26.720 amazing i mean these trad women are online talking about how happy they are married

00:26:32.840 and yet they're in a group chat that i called that i said existed that i said these women

00:26:38.980 used to defame to defame people and come after people guys i'm probably next don't really care 1.00

00:26:49.160 um

00:26:52.760 okay hold on

00:27:00.980 she hopes in speaking out she can reassure that all of the women

00:27:07.640 are thinking in their heads i'm uniquely terrible and i'm uniquely making a mistake 0.99

00:27:18.300 that no something is generally more amiss what that what the fuck is i hate people that use big 0.96

00:27:24.520 words for no reason i'm sorry i'm sorry all right what then is amiss in her view it is not 0.92

00:27:32.900 that conservatism is fundamentally mistaken or that the complex complementary sex roles are

00:27:39.880 unworkable but that on life track online trad wife ideology has a detailed version of these

00:27:46.320 roles that are both rigid and widely oversimplified and thus woefully ill-equipped for real life in

00:27:53.200 ways that pose significant risks for women in such marriages what happened i mean truly

00:28:12.200 what what happened that was so bad the dad left boo-hoo that's life all right get out of here 1.00

00:28:19.820 this is what I don't I got no sympathy I got no sympathy for a pretty blonde famous chick that 0.86

00:28:26.600 gets to make money we have the best lives I hope you guys have no sympathy for me I don't deserve

00:28:31.680 any my life's freaking amazing like you realize you know I interviewed a veteran yesterday

00:28:37.300 day. And it's like, you talk to people that have been in the military, this chick's bitching 1.00

00:28:44.620 because her marriage didn't work out. Get out of here. Get out. Okay. How then did Southern get 1.00

00:28:53.440 from posting videos titled, Why I'm Not a Feminist, to defending women's sex-specific 0.82

00:29:01.380 interests within a family life? This is, after all, not a million miles from what used to be

00:29:07.040 called feminism. It's a long and bitter story. It's like these women can't get to the point. 1.00

00:29:13.740 That's about we, it's like get to the point. Okay. And which Southern did her best to live a 1.00

00:29:18.500 purist internet ideology to the letter only to receive a grim object lesson in its shortcomings. 0.92

00:29:30.100 Born in 1995, Southern grew up in British Columbia in a middle-class conservative Christian home.

00:29:36.400 southern was she recounts part of the first generation to grow up predominantly online

00:29:42.740 and this chick is always tweeting on twitter for me to like she's like everyone needs to touch

00:29:47.980 grass well you touch grass she like i wasn't raised online online and i'm younger than you

00:29:54.860 okay she and her sister now a dj and twitch streamer spent their adolescence in the kind of

00:30:01.160 internet hinterlands in which ideas flourish free of grounding in material reality or practical

00:30:09.200 experience. Here are one complex theories are swiftly distilled to their bare essentials for

00:30:16.980 maximum viral reach. As Southern puts it, follow the listicle and you'll be fine. By the time she

00:30:23.940 met her husband, she'd been condensing conservative values into the listicle form as a media

00:30:30.640 influencer for some years to the point where it seems possible to realize the framework in real

00:30:36.500 life too so when marriage beckoned at 22 she tells me riley i thought i'd won the lottery

00:30:46.040 they were married within okay they were married within four months so let me get this straight

00:30:53.520 you guys want to blame trad life you want to blame the trad life for your failed marriage

00:31:02.960 and you made the choice to get married within four months

00:31:08.720 i mean a pregnancy is nine months shouldn't we maybe see if we can make it to the full term of

00:31:16.880 a pregnancy before marriage? I don't know. Is this crazy? Okay. She was quickly pregnant. 0.92

00:31:34.140 I don't know. I mean, is that the cause of the marriage? I mean, there's just some stuff I'm

00:31:39.520 like asking, you know, there were warning signs from early on. If I ever disagreed with him in

00:31:44.400 any capacity he'd just disappear for days at a time I remember there were nights where he'd call 0.91

00:31:49.380 me worthless and pathetic and get in the car and leave now I want to guys put in the chat what does

00:31:56.960 this mean what does this actually mean if like what is she leaving out of the story I want to 0.95

00:32:04.320 I want another thing I want to I want to bring forward now we don't have proof of any of this

00:32:12.460 these are just stories right but let's just say she's telling the truth why would he disappear 0.96

00:32:18.960 for days at a time why would he call her worthless and pathetic 0.97

00:32:24.420 now this is she did something insane and he had to get away that is exactly my thought i thought 0.94

00:32:36.980 well was there some infidelity that would make sense if if he caught her cheat i don't know if

00:32:43.500 there was or there wasn't but i'm just begging the question let's say he caught her cheating

00:32:47.800 well can you really blame him for leaving for a couple days and calling her worthless

00:32:52.880 sympathetic what if it was a continual problem i mean social media social media influencers 1.00

00:32:58.160 are the most likely ones to cheat she probably whooped his ass like yeah yeah 0.98

00:33:02.680 all right but she didn't see them thanks to the simplified anti-feminist ideology she'd absorbed 1.00

00:33:11.780 and promoted i had this delusional view of relationships that only women could be the ones 0.78

00:33:16.840 that make or break them and that men could do no wrong so she didn't spot the red flags even as 0.63

00:33:23.300 they grew more extreme he'd lock me all right now let's go to the next one

00:33:28.000 he'd lock me out of the house I remember having to knock on the neighbor's door on a rainy night

00:33:35.940 because he'd get upset and drive off wait wait hold on he'd lock me out of the house I remember

00:33:41.160 having to knock on my neighbor's door on a rainy night because he'd get upset upset and drive off

00:33:46.600 without unlocking the house it was very strange to go from being this public figure on stage with

00:33:53.560 people clapping to the girl crying knocking on someone's door with no home to get into being

00:33:59.140 abandoned with the baby now again what would draw a man to do this and these are the questions we

00:34:08.340 have to start asking he definitely found evidence of something why didn't she have a key to her own

00:34:21.220 house. And the more you read the story, the more it sounds like she was cheating or talking to a 0.89

00:34:27.980 lot of men. I don't know. You know, you know, because guys are pretty even keel. Women are

00:34:35.620 the emotional ones. So my question is that you made a guy get so emotional that he left and 1.00

00:34:42.880 locked you out of the house. I mean, okay, let's just say, let's go with the cheating narrative.

00:34:51.220 I mean, even me, if I found out, if I was a guy and I found out

00:34:55.140 that my wife was cheating in the house I pay for. 1.00

00:35:07.620 I would think about locking the bitch out too. 1.00

00:35:10.580 Like, is this crazy? 1.00

00:35:12.260 Okay.

00:35:12.360 But as she tells it, as she tells it, if the nightmare began in earnest

00:35:18.120 when he was offered a work opportunity in his home country of Australia a few weeks after the

00:35:24.080 birth of their baby he did not want to leave her support networks behind but he used the political

00:35:29.640 and religious importance she placed on lifelong marriages as a lever to force her to agree

00:35:36.080 whenever I wouldn't do something he would say I'm going to divorce you so she felt she had no other

00:35:41.140 option she assented he also insisted she should publicly quit work his work required a high level

00:35:48.660 of government security clearance yeah so she married like a fed why would that be a good idea 1.00

00:35:55.180 guys why would it be a good idea 1.00

00:35:59.860 if your work values privacy

00:36:09.240 why would it be a good idea

00:36:15.640 as an influencer to marry a guy 1.00

00:36:21.760 I mean if that's she liked to do why would you marry it okay 0.86

00:36:30.740 they said you wouldn't marry a fat well I mean it just doesn't seem like that would be a good 1.00

00:36:36.500 match for if she liked her influence and stuff like why would you marry it anyways

00:36:42.120 um she was banned from entering the uk and their early giddy romance this had felt manageable

00:36:48.460 but when she moved back to australia he really wanted to go back and do his old work

00:36:52.960 and southern was a hardcore liability so the pressure was on it was like lauren you gotta

00:36:58.800 hire lawyer lawyers you gotta disavow everything you've got to never talk publicly again so in

00:37:04.140 2019 she announced she was leaving the media and activism altogether as southern tells it she was

00:37:09.980 sincerely trying to put into practice the ideology she'd promoted in her videos i believed i had a

00:37:16.140 certain role in my relationship she told me and it was to be more submissive the the more submissive

00:37:23.540 one that supports my husband's dreams then thousands of miles away from friends and family 1.00

00:37:32.240 she reports becoming the closest thing to a mom oh my god

00:37:37.120 she did not say this 0.99

00:37:41.920 the closest thing to a modern day western slave

00:37:48.920 really

00:37:53.040 oh my goodness

00:37:57.280 you compared yourself to a slave 0.84

00:38:01.500 truly 0.92

00:38:02.880 I wish 1.00

00:38:06.240 I wish some of these chicks 1.00

00:38:09.000 could talk 1.00

00:38:09.720 to talk to people

00:38:12.360 from third world countries

00:38:14.420 or that served in the military 0.99

00:38:16.720 or did some actual hard shit 1.00

00:38:18.400 with no income of her own 1.00

00:38:22.340 she had to do everything 0.99

00:38:23.680 the lawns, the house 1.00

00:38:26.340 the cooking

00:38:27.220 the baby care

00:38:31.300 his university homework.

00:38:37.340 Let me get this straight. 0.98

00:38:57.200 That is slavery to you.

00:38:59.680 Let me get this straight. 0.94

00:39:02.020 The lawn, the house, the cooking, baby care, and university homework is slavery. 0.95

00:39:17.400 And none of you simps checked this.

00:39:21.020 None of you simps said, huh, this doesn't, I don't know if this is, if this is adding up.

00:39:29.680 there was no help changing diapers there was no help waking up in the night with the baby

00:39:39.560 I'd still have to get up to make breakfast before work I'd be shaking and nervous for

00:39:44.980 fear I'm gonna get yelled at let me get this straight

00:39:48.200 I'm pretty sure I mean I'm not I'm not a historian I'm pretty sure slaves had a bigger

00:39:58.000 fear than getting yelled at I don't know I was told okay then he'd berate her

00:40:11.760 for spending all her time on tasks other than earning money 0.98

00:40:17.980 that doesn't make sense I was told daily that I was worthless pathetic a dead weight all you do 0.98

00:40:27.020 is sit around and take care of the baby and do chores. When COVID shut down. Now, does that make 0.99

00:40:32.720 sense? I have never in my life had a guy say to me, all you do, I've never heard a guy say that

00:40:44.420 to his wife or, you know, because I've heard a lot of men complain about relationships and, you know,

00:40:49.060 I've heard their complaints. I have never heard a man say, my wife does too many chores and takes 1.00

00:40:55.540 care of my kid too much. Her situation became hell on earth. It was, she said, the only time 1.00

00:41:10.100 in my life where I idealized dying. God, why are white women so spoiled? Like, guys, this is just 1.00

00:41:25.720 crazy. There's something about middle-class white women where it's like, we have never, now look it, 1.00

00:41:33.240 i i was definitely i had a great life i still do no sympathy from you guys i don't want any

00:41:43.700 but we're gonna we're gonna compare staying at home with your kid

00:41:50.440 to slavery and that you wanted to die 0.85

00:41:56.500 oh my gosh 1.00

00:42:06.760 okay I don't really feel like reading the rest of this bullshit oh no I can't go through the 0.97

00:42:11.240 rest of this god I can't now what I wanted to show you is the simpry 0.98

00:42:15.040 now freaking a Michael Knowles Michael Knowles responds to this

00:42:23.820 i have you guys on my phone here on the chat

00:42:27.160 now what would a truly i hate to roast michael here michael if you're watching this i like you

00:42:35.980 you're a good guy but this is crazy if we're going to talk about we need to bring back masculinity

00:42:44.080 what would a masculine guy do what would a guy that's a true leader do he would read this article

00:42:52.160 Now, again, the archetype I want you guys to think of is Donald Trump.

00:42:56.020 What would Donald Trump do if he saw this? 1.00

00:43:02.980 He would know it was bullshit, okay? 1.00

00:43:05.960 And this is the problem you get with married men that have no experience with women, 1.00

00:43:10.300 is they actually think they can believe women. 1.00

00:43:15.320 Idiots. 1.00

00:43:15.900 No offense, Michael. 1.00

00:43:18.780 Let's play this, okay?

00:43:20.500 Let's go.

00:43:21.640 the political alignment

00:43:27.320 I think the answer

00:43:28.960 to where

00:43:31.140 the political alignment goes

00:43:33.380 that is shocking

00:43:35.060 that has cachet, that wins people

00:43:37.220 over, that is a broad

00:43:39.240 movement, you know, it doesn't have the

00:43:41.040 narrowness of, I don't know, the

00:43:43.060 very online right or

00:43:45.280 the campus intifada

00:43:46.960 or I don't know, these kind of tiny

00:43:49.080 things is

00:43:50.480 another major topic of political debate these days in the commentariat and that is

00:43:56.400 the trads trad life trad wives that tradition the trads versus the radicals i think that

00:44:07.000 that is getting closer to where the real political divide is right now because what is it what does

00:44:13.860 it even mean to be trad i don't does it mean you know you you go around larping you know does it

00:44:22.580 mean that you i don't you adopt some anachronistic uh costume or politically no i think to be trad

00:44:30.800 me i mean there are all sorts of implications there are implications that are uh anthropological

00:44:35.340 you think that men and women are different rather than uh now i want to say what i think trad is

00:44:41.760 I don't think it has anything to do with cooking. I don't even think it has anything to do with

00:44:48.040 women working or not working or in 2024. I think at its core, it's putting the family before 0.97

00:44:54.480 yourself. Like, hey, I want to leave my husband, but I care about my family more. Or hey, maybe I

00:45:01.620 want to be a stay-at-home wife, but we can't afford it, so I got to go get my ass to work. Or hey, 0.99

00:45:06.180 hey, maybe I have a job I love, but someone's got to take care of these kids. So I'm going to do

00:45:11.480 that. That's what it is. It's do you think of your family first? Personally, I think there's

00:45:18.180 a natural order in the world. I think it goes God, men, women, children. I think that's the order.

00:45:23.160 So I think women should submit to their husbands. Men should submit to God or maybe their purpose 1.00

00:45:29.260 as a man. Same. And rather than thinking men can become women, that would be an anthropological

00:45:34.560 aspect of being a traditional person. I guess a generational aspect of it would be that you

00:45:42.960 have children. You're not closed off to the possibility of life. A, I don't know, a financial

00:45:50.120 aspect to it, it might be that you save your money. You're not profligate. You don't just

00:45:53.900 spend your money on total nonsense. A liturgical aspect of it might be that you go to church,

00:46:00.480 first of all and that you go to churches that are more traditional that have more liturgy to it that

00:46:06.400 that have a little more smells and bells i mean you're the reason i think this plays

00:46:12.720 is because all these things are happening you're seeing younger people having less

00:46:17.200 sex outside of marriage you're seeing younger people returning to not now this is simply

00:46:26.000 not true. I don't really give a shit what these, this is what you get. You get married men 0.99

00:46:32.560 that think they know things because they can read studies and stats. Studies and stats do not trump

00:46:41.840 being on the ground. Men are telling me nowadays that it's easier for them to get casual sex from

00:46:48.640 women than it is to get relationships. That women are the ones that don't want to be in relationships. 1.00

00:46:56.000 This is what the guys are telling me.

00:47:01.900 You know, and I speak to younger women.

00:47:05.520 They're telling me their friends are graduating high school,

00:47:09.000 haven't slept with seven, eight dudes at 18, 20 years old.

00:47:17.980 Yeah, so that's not, are you guys blind to this explosion of porn workers on Twitter?

00:47:23.140 I mean, are we just pretending that's not happening?

00:47:27.020 Okay.

00:47:28.020 ...to religion, but to more traditional forms of religion.

00:47:32.280 It's just a social fact right now.

00:47:34.640 A lot of people are converting to Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy to some degree.

00:47:39.060 And even among non-Christians, you're seeing Jews who had been largely secular for many,

00:47:43.940 many decades.

00:47:44.940 They're becoming a little bit more orthodox, more conservative and a little bit more orthodox.

00:47:53.140 this is like the biggest cope god these religious people cope so hard it's why they don't win 1.00

00:48:01.780 anything it's it that's not the way the world's going anyone that has eyes anyone that has eyes

00:48:09.940 sees that's not the way the world's going people who were total atheists they're at least beginning

00:48:15.260 to accept that god exists you're kind of seeing those movements people recognize that family

00:48:20.820 kinds of matters. Okay. Again, again, is the birth rate going up? No. Our STD. Okay. How would

00:48:30.240 we know if people are not having as much sex? Self-reported, everyone lies. What would be a

00:48:37.740 way, what would be a way we could actually tell are people having more sex or less? STD rates.

00:48:44.880 STD rates are they going up or down

00:48:52.560 abortions percentage of women having abortions anyways here a new awareness that maybe we need 0.97

00:49:06.120 to start having kids I mean the fact that trad wives have become a kind of internet meme that 0.99

00:49:12.440 the trad life is even a topic of discussion now really matters so we can go through all this

00:49:17.960 highfalutin you know kind of abstract discussion about what it means to be trad but the reason i

00:49:25.980 think this plays politically it has nothing to do with any of that which is maybe interesting for

00:49:32.060 the commentators and academics and people who are nerds but the reason it plays politically is

00:49:39.120 because what it pretty much all boils down to this trad life is just being normal just being a

00:49:45.660 normal person and not chopping yourself up and dyeing your hair all sorts of crazy colors

00:49:50.380 no I think he's missing it I think he's missing it you can get your dad and living in a communist 0.64

00:50:01.380 polycule and you know it's about family first yep not to have children and all the stuff that

00:50:10.380 modern people do that's really weird and disordered it's kind of just being normal 0.96

00:50:14.360 and being normal is really attractive and it's really great i'll just speak from personal

00:50:20.540 experience here not that you know we're all a little eccentric a little quirky i certainly

00:50:24.920 have my quirks but i endeavor to live in a way that is normal and normal has two meanings

00:50:30.920 normal means according to the norms of a society so that part is a little bit relative and kind

00:50:37.300 of changes over time and also normal refers to objective standards like moral norms ethical

00:50:44.560 norms things that are permanently true eternal things and ideally we like to bring the former

00:50:50.940 into line with the latter we want our society's norms and standards and taboos to to accord with

00:50:57.880 eternal truths because then we're really going to flourish because the primary purpose of statecraft

00:51:02.540 is do good and avoid evil and allow human beings to flourish in community together and i i endeavor

00:51:09.320 to do that i'm from new york very liberal place i went to a very radical left-wing school and then

00:51:15.860 i lived in la and i i worked in show business i've worked in politics and show business my

00:51:20.760 whole life i've been a professional actor done all sorts of crazy parts and tv and film and theater

00:51:26.920 I've worked on all sorts of crazy political campaigns, and I was single throughout most

00:51:32.380 of my 20s.

00:51:33.380 But it kind of occurred to me, living a traditional life is kind of nice.

00:51:37.540 So I get married, have kids, as I've been, well, I don't have the kids, I guess some

00:51:44.360 modern men think they can get birth.

00:51:45.660 I don't think I can.

00:51:46.660 My wife has had the kids, so we've been open to life, settled down, try to live like a

00:51:52.740 normal go to work you know come home eat dinner occasionally even watch a baseball game read

00:51:59.540 books smoke cigars do normal things and it's really great man and probably most important of

00:52:04.820 this have a great church great community there see my friends see my family you know when i can even

00:52:10.940 the ones that you know when they live kind of far away and so i know that i'm not giving you a

00:52:16.440 statistical read here okay this i'm just giving you an anecdote but my friends who live the trad

00:52:22.500 life are happier than the ones who don't i got a lot of friends who don't told you i lived in new

00:52:28.000 york and la went to crazy school my friends who are endeavoring to live that trad life they are 0.98

00:52:34.220 uniformly happier until they get divorced i you know and this is the thing i have no doubt

00:52:44.060 that men are happier that it works out for it will not work out for most men

00:52:52.500 It won't. Guys, you can't tell me with the quality of the women now. 1.00

00:53:02.700 Yeah. And the ones who reject it. I think, oh, this is, I think, where she talks about Lauren 1.00

00:53:07.660 Southern. People are not content with the rise of trad life. Sorry, guys. I like it. One of whom

00:53:13.620 is my friend, Lauren Southern. Lauren Southern. All right. So this is his friend. Now, again,

00:53:19.520 what if we're promoting masculinity a guy that that isn't gonna change right from wrong

00:53:28.920 just because someone is his friend right is still right wrong is still wrong there's this

00:53:35.960 really interesting uh interview this exchange in unheard written by mary harrington and it's about

00:53:42.960 how she tried to trad life and it didn't didn't really work for her it's worth reading here's

00:53:47.920 just a little snippet. Lauren talks about how she got married within four months of knowing a guy

00:53:52.480 at the age of 22. She writes, there were warning signs from early on. If I ever disagreed with him

00:53:58.340 in any capacity, he'd just disappear for days at a time. I remember there were nights where he'd

00:54:02.760 call me worthless and pathetic, then get in his car and leave, which is obviously awful, awful. 0.98

00:54:08.240 Michael, why are you, why do all of you trads, Brett? Cooper does it. Michael does it. You all 0.99

00:54:16.820 just believe these sob stories oh my goodness what kind of man speaks to a woman that way 0.74

00:54:24.720 but she didn't see them uh thanks to the simplified anti-feminist ideology she'd absorbed

00:54:30.300 and promoted lauren says i had this delusional view of relationships that only women could be

00:54:35.720 the ones that make or break them and men can do no wrong so she didn't spot the red flags even as

00:54:40.880 they became more extreme he'd lock me out of the house i remember having to knock on the neighbor's

00:54:44.620 door on rainy nights because he'd get upset and drive off without unlocking the house.

00:54:48.740 It was very strange to go from being this public figure on stage with people clapping

00:54:52.400 to a girl crying, knocking on someone's door with no home to get into, being abandoned

00:54:56.640 with a baby.

00:54:58.060 But as she tells it, the nightmare began in earnest when he was offered a work opportunity

00:55:03.020 in his home country of Australia a few weeks after the birth of their baby.

00:55:06.560 She did not want to leave her support networks behind, but he used the political and religious

00:55:10.480 importance she placed on lifelong marriage as a lever to force her to agree.

00:55:14.620 whenever I wouldn't do something, he would say, I'm going to divorce you.

00:55:17.520 So she, so feeling she had no other option, she sent it. Okay. So that's not it, right?

00:55:21.320 That's not the kind of thing that we want.

00:55:26.620 Zero questions, Michael. None, not one. You know, young men are going to, Michael,

00:55:35.380 young men are going to watch this stuff and say, screw it. I don't even have the church on my side.

00:55:41.860 if you're representative of catholicism young men are gonna see this and they're gonna say huh 0.99

00:55:48.280 well fuck that because they're just gonna believe any chick's stories you're gonna lose the most 0.99

00:55:54.340 rational men it's very bad for lauren we haven't heard this guy's side of the story but he's not 0.99

00:55:59.160 around so i guess that kind of proves her side of the story okay wait wait god damn it sorry guys 0.92

00:56:08.320 this is just so frustrating freaking a option she sent it okay so that's not it right that's 0.74

00:56:14.460 not the kind of thing that we want one feels very bad for lauren we haven't heard this guy's side of

00:56:18.160 the story but one feels very bad for lauren we haven't heard this guy's side of the story wait

00:56:25.800 he's not around so i guess that kind of proves her side of the story but he's not around this

00:56:30.060 is he's oh freaking a these trads have no idea what they're talking about this is why i was so

00:56:37.220 I get so frustrated. None of them have been in the trenches. None of them have gone to family

00:56:43.940 court. None of them have interviewed men at homeless shelters. None of them have done the

00:56:48.380 work to understand what is going on. This ain't it. Nobody wants this. And this is being presented

00:56:56.300 as the dark side of trad life. The title of the essay is Lauren Southern, How My Trad Life Turn

00:57:03.320 toxic but it isn't trad right i mean even to say uh whenever i would say i don't want to do

00:57:08.980 something he would say i'm going to divorce you and that was the religious you know aspect of

00:57:14.840 marriage no well in our culture at least in in the west of culture that used to be called christendom

00:57:21.020 uh divorce was not permitted it wasn't certainly not a traditional aspect of our culture

00:57:28.140 but we had but women were expected to be obedient 0.92

00:57:32.000 why would she say she wasn't going to do something if we're going to traditionalism

00:57:39.300 women are meant to be obedient to their husband in all things 0.85

00:57:42.620 you know the henry the eighth basically went his kingdom asunder because he wanted to get a divorce 0.88

00:57:50.540 he ripped christendom you know in half that's very radical to do so i'll divorce you or you

00:57:57.780 know he'd leave go away for days at a time I mean that's not so what so then

00:58:02.160 you got to be a little bit more specific I mean probably the the weirdos at the

00:58:07.000 university campuses wearing the keffiyeh is calling for you know a Palestinian 0.93

00:58:11.220 state or something they might appeal to tradition Hamas in a way appeals to a 0.60

00:58:16.140 kind of tradition but it's not our tradition even that the trap maybe the

00:58:26.160 shocking part of the trad life is you can't distill it down into an essay on substack you

00:58:34.420 can't distill it down so really michael there's no calling out her for putting her divorce on

00:58:41.460 the internet thinking about this is the thing trad care trad people they care about the kids

00:58:47.660 until the women's feelings are more important than the kids

00:58:51.560 because you know her feel it's more important for her to put out her divorce story on the internet

00:58:58.280 and protect her children into a tweet thread you can't you can't write a book about it i mean you

00:59:06.860 can write a book about it but that won't encapsulate everything one of the points points

00:59:11.580 this out in rationalism and politics that uh an uh an exaltation of tradition is kind of an

00:59:19.740 anti-ideology you don't write in three bullet points on the back of a napkin you got there's

00:59:24.200 some things you learn put it into your whole body and i think that's it i don't really want to keep

00:59:29.520 going but guys you know happy single mother's day i really you know the future is single mothers i

00:59:39.480 think we shouldn't celebrate it and i certainly think that we got to stop believing these chicks

00:59:44.700 um because at some point if everybody if you tell a lie and everybody around you says it's

00:59:52.000 the truth even the women we start to believe it's true so you know guys let me know what you think 0.99

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