Pearl - May 19, 2024HEATED DEBATE ｜ Are Women the Source of All Evil？ @laurenchen @watchTENET
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In this episode, I sit down with Rachel Maddow to discuss the role of women in society, feminism, and whether or not there is a lower standard of morality for women than there is for men in society.
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i don't disagree with everything pearl says but i feel like pearl is someone who i mean i want to
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hear your thoughts on this i feel like you kind of enrage bait people with your posts because
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you'll post something really like a super hot take on on twitter and then like you'll make a video
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about it and the video in turn is a lot more nuanced a lot more i i guess rational um so
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sometimes i i feel like i'm i'm trying to i'm struggling to see like what your actual views
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are versus maybe what gets the most traction on x so i'm excited for this uh to have a conversation
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about it but i guess the role of women in society is you know to be mothers to be wise to support
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their families how exactly that looks is going to differ from people to people that's one of the
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reasons why i don't necessarily associate with the trad movement um i feel like trad refers to
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specifically almost the glamorization and in some ways fetishization of maybe like
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rural 1850s middle america at least on like what i see on tick tock um whereas you know i'm just
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uh a mom who works part-time from home and is basically trying to do whatever i can to help
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support my family well i would say there's character limits on x so i mean you're not
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going to get a full opinion with like i don't know is it 60 characters but i don't know what
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tweets are you talking about and i have like 18 000 so i don't know
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well we actually like i do i i i wanted to be specific here because i i did pull some of the
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ones up i sent them to you i didn't want to like ambush you or surprise or anything like that um
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let's see and the role of women in society sorry i was thinking what the second question was
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Well, I think it depends, like, what do we want it to be or what is it now?
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And I think right now it's like, we're not really doing much.
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We're not really contributing to the economy when you look at output.
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So it's like, what do we want it to be or what is it?
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Because I wouldn't say women are doing what you described now.
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Well, one of the things that, like, I spoke recently actually with Rachel's husband, Andrew,
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and one of the uh tweets that i mentioned that i i thought was kind of strange coming from you was
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that basically you said evil comes from women uh you know andrew in his interpretation he made a
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very like very rational very nuanced actually this is what she means is is it not true that there is
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a a lower moral bar for women blah blah blah and it like andrew's smart guy made a lot of sense
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that's not what the tweet was and kind of funnily enough uh you you tweet it out later to clarify
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To be fair, I just realized this the other day,
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but did you know that Hitler was made by a woman?
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So when men get power, they build societies, they do awesome things.
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When women get power, we're just not very good with it.
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I mean, I kind of feel like there's a lot of bad dudes, you know?
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Well, yeah, but there's also bad queens, right?
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If you look at queens the last 500 years, women are more likely to wage war.
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Look at what women are doing in the court system today.
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yeah so so yeah i would say most problems in society come from women so that's interesting
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because i watched your uh conversation with michael knowles which i thought was really
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interesting and in it you were very adamant that people need to take responsibility for their own
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actions so when it relates to women it's not really an excuse to say oh well feminism brainwashed me
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you still made the decision to sleep around you still made the decision to get an abortion yeah
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i think if you get an abortion you're responsible okay right isn't shouldn't we have that same
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standard when it comes to the rapist the men you made a decision you're responsible it's not really
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like oh but my single mother like you many people have and they are responsible they go to jail for
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it but you have to look at there's significant differences between single mother and single
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father homes and i can't help but notice that all of the men that seem to lack morals they were
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raised by a woman right but is is the answer then that evil comes from women we are kind of leaving
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out the fact that yeah a man actually left the the the parent or his family in that situation
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there are some situations where a woman doesn't want the man there but most of the time men don't
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leave women are the ones that overwhelmingly leave and if you really dig it if you actually
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do the work and interview men that are the known to be like deadbeat dads most deadbeat dads don't
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really exist i mean they're exceptions they're not the rule so and and if you actually do the
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work and interview these guys there's men that have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars
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fighting for their kids and unfortunately we're in a society where women can claim abuse you know
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they could say he emotionally abused me and not see his kid for years what's the real quick what's
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the stat i i know that there's stats on women initiating divorce more but how do we say that
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you know a fatherlessness is predominantly driven by women is that is that what you were saying
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yeah because women are choosing to leave and the number one reason is irreconcilable differences
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but that's when you're talking about that's when you're talking about single mothers who are a
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result of divorce if we're looking at single mothers who were never actually married it's not
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it's a very different group of people but the whole but the whole point is women have all the
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power here we have a million choice you get to choose whether or not you get pregnant abortion
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is legal so you're we are 100 in control of who's born so there's no there is zero excuse to make a
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kid with a guy that's not going to stick around zero excuse i mean i would also say there's zero
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excuse for a guy to not stick around well but the issue you're getting like because you're basically
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saying but what about the women though when we're talking about the man but the difference is men
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cannot opt out of fatherhood women can opt out of motherhood and i think we would both agree that
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you should not be able to opt out of motherhood but we can and it's not my point but should
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whatever that like abortion's legal it's here to stay unfortunately i i don't say this because i'm
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happy about it but i mean in the uk they're introducing a law where they want to make it
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legal up to birth so abortion is legal and right now men are not able to opt out of fatherhood
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only women are only socially not physically women in the united states overwhelmingly have the right
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to abort correct or are allowed to abort men don't have any say whatsoever whatsoever but socially
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uh i looked it up about it says according to the u.s census bureau 20.2 percent of fathers about
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seven million are absent dads they don't live with their minor children so right why right right so
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this debt doesn't literally mean that 20 percent of fathers are like getting up and saying later
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kid i'm going to buy scratchers and disappearing but my point was just that of this you have men
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who are like okay you're having a kid i'm leaving you'll never see me again well but you don't you
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don't understand the circumstances because a lot of times women make men dads that don't want to
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be they're like this is something casual this is you know situationships are really common they know
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that man will never commit to them and yet they still make the choice to have his kid i think in
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those situations if we can legally opt out of motherhood they should be able to legally opt
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out of fatherhood don't we we have all the power now don't make a kid with someone that doesn't
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want to be a father i see i see you're saying that i think that applies equally to and this
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is why i don't advocate for promiscuity don't sleep with someone that you are not prepared to
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have a child with but but yeah again should but what what's happening is what you're that's like
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this isn't a dream world you know this isn't like make a wish you know society promiscuity is going
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to go it's not but so i'm talking about what's happening are you saying that a woman who sleeps
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like let's say a woman uh uh you know we'll start light she sleeps with a guy gets pregnant and then
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realizes this guy will leave her doesn't want to be a dad you're saying she should get an abortion
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i'm not saying should or shouldn't i'm saying women have the choice to right now men do not
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have the choice to opt out of fatherhood should or shouldn't it's almost like okay i mean this
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isn't and this is where i get frustrated with conservatives it doesn't matter what i say women
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are going to abort their kids it's not going to become illegal so if we're in a society where we
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can legally not be mothers if we don't want why can't men legally not be no i guess