Pearl - May 19, 2024


HEATED DEBATE ｜ Are Women the Source of All Evil？ @laurenchen @watchTENET

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Hitler Michael Knowles Rachel Andrew
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8 minutes

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1,800

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31

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29

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6

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In this episode, I sit down with Rachel Maddow to discuss the role of women in society, feminism, and whether or not there is a lower standard of morality for women than there is for men in society.

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00:00:00.000 i don't disagree with everything pearl says but i feel like pearl is someone who i mean i want to
00:00:05.600 hear your thoughts on this i feel like you kind of enrage bait people with your posts because
00:00:10.480 you'll post something really like a super hot take on on twitter and then like you'll make a video
00:00:14.800 about it and the video in turn is a lot more nuanced a lot more i i guess rational um so
00:00:22.160 sometimes i i feel like i'm i'm trying to i'm struggling to see like what your actual views
00:00:27.440 are versus maybe what gets the most traction on x so i'm excited for this uh to have a conversation
00:00:33.440 about it but i guess the role of women in society is you know to be mothers to be wise to support 1.00
00:00:39.600 their families how exactly that looks is going to differ from people to people that's one of the
00:00:45.200 reasons why i don't necessarily associate with the trad movement um i feel like trad refers to
00:00:52.640 specifically almost the glamorization and in some ways fetishization of maybe like
00:00:58.880 rural 1850s middle america at least on like what i see on tick tock um whereas you know i'm just
00:01:05.520 uh a mom who works part-time from home and is basically trying to do whatever i can to help
00:01:11.040 support my family well i would say there's character limits on x so i mean you're not
00:01:16.880 going to get a full opinion with like i don't know is it 60 characters but i don't know what
00:01:23.920 tweets are you talking about and i have like 18 000 so i don't know
00:01:30.880 well we actually like i do i i i wanted to be specific here because i i did pull some of the
00:01:35.920 ones up i sent them to you i didn't want to like ambush you or surprise or anything like that um
00:01:41.440 let's see and the role of women in society sorry i was thinking what the second question was 0.85
00:01:46.880 Well, I think it depends, like, what do we want it to be or what is it now?
00:01:51.020 And I think right now it's like, we're not really doing much.
00:01:54.700 We're not really having kids.
00:01:55.880 We're not really contributing to the economy when you look at output.
00:02:01.460 So it's like, what do we want it to be or what is it?
00:02:04.640 Because I wouldn't say women are doing what you described now. 1.00
00:02:08.400 Okay.
00:02:08.800 Well, one of the things that, like, I spoke recently actually with Rachel's husband, Andrew,
00:02:14.340 and one of the uh tweets that i mentioned that i i thought was kind of strange coming from you was
00:02:19.380 that basically you said evil comes from women uh you know andrew in his interpretation he made a
00:02:25.620 very like very rational very nuanced actually this is what she means is is it not true that there is
00:02:30.820 a a lower moral bar for women blah blah blah and it like andrew's smart guy made a lot of sense
00:02:35.600 that's not what the tweet was and kind of funnily enough uh you you tweet it out later to clarify
00:02:42.000 Yes, evil does come from women. 1.00
00:02:45.460 I would just look at every problem in society. 0.98
00:02:48.020 It all comes from women. 1.00
00:02:49.080 To be fair, I just realized this the other day,
00:02:51.760 but did you know that Hitler was made by a woman?
00:02:54.540 That proves it.
00:02:55.980 Well, it's like you look at the homeless.
00:02:58.540 Most of them come from single mother homes.
00:03:00.220 You look at school shooters.
00:03:01.180 Most of them come from single mother homes. 0.99
00:03:02.900 You look at criminals, rapists. 0.98
00:03:04.840 Most of them come from single mother homes. 0.95
00:03:07.280 You look at what happens when women get power. 1.00
00:03:10.600 So when men get power, they build societies, they do awesome things.
00:03:14.180 When women get power, we're just not very good with it. 1.00
00:03:17.100 I just love Hitler. 1.00
00:03:18.200 I mean, I kind of feel like there's a lot of bad dudes, you know?
00:03:20.980 Well, yeah, but there's also bad queens, right? 1.00
00:03:23.200 If you look at queens the last 500 years, women are more likely to wage war. 1.00
00:03:26.820 Women are way more violent with power. 1.00
00:03:28.720 And we see that in society. 0.97
00:03:29.840 Look at what women are doing in the court system today. 1.00
00:03:32.320 What is more evil than breaking up a family?
00:03:34.180 And women do that all the time. 1.00
00:03:35.980 yeah so so yeah i would say most problems in society come from women so that's interesting 1.00
00:03:42.240 because i watched your uh conversation with michael knowles which i thought was really
00:03:46.240 interesting and in it you were very adamant that people need to take responsibility for their own
00:03:51.200 actions so when it relates to women it's not really an excuse to say oh well feminism brainwashed me 1.00
00:03:55.760 you still made the decision to sleep around you still made the decision to get an abortion yeah 0.66
00:03:59.920 i think if you get an abortion you're responsible okay right isn't shouldn't we have that same
00:04:04.800 standard when it comes to the rapist the men you made a decision you're responsible it's not really
00:04:09.480 like oh but my single mother like you many people have and they are responsible they go to jail for 1.00
00:04:15.500 it but you have to look at there's significant differences between single mother and single 0.97
00:04:20.060 father homes and i can't help but notice that all of the men that seem to lack morals they were
00:04:25.600 raised by a woman right but is is the answer then that evil comes from women we are kind of leaving 0.99
00:04:31.980 out the fact that yeah a man actually left the the the parent or his family in that situation
00:04:38.540 there are some situations where a woman doesn't want the man there but most of the time men don't
00:04:43.580 leave women are the ones that overwhelmingly leave and if you really dig it if you actually 1.00
00:04:47.580 do the work and interview men that are the known to be like deadbeat dads most deadbeat dads don't
00:04:53.180 really exist i mean they're exceptions they're not the rule so and and if you actually do the
00:04:58.060 work and interview these guys there's men that have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars
00:05:01.740 fighting for their kids and unfortunately we're in a society where women can claim abuse you know 1.00
00:05:07.320 they could say he emotionally abused me and not see his kid for years what's the real quick what's
00:05:12.400 the stat i i know that there's stats on women initiating divorce more but how do we say that 0.74
00:05:18.840 you know a fatherlessness is predominantly driven by women is that is that what you were saying 1.00
00:05:23.400 yeah because women are choosing to leave and the number one reason is irreconcilable differences 1.00
00:05:27.960 but that's when you're talking about that's when you're talking about single mothers who are a 0.98
00:05:31.160 result of divorce if we're looking at single mothers who were never actually married it's not
00:05:36.900 it's a very different group of people but the whole but the whole point is women have all the 1.00
00:05:40.440 power here we have a million choice you get to choose whether or not you get pregnant abortion 0.99
00:05:44.040 is legal so you're we are 100 in control of who's born so there's no there is zero excuse to make a
00:05:50.940 kid with a guy that's not going to stick around zero excuse i mean i would also say there's zero
00:05:55.620 excuse for a guy to not stick around well but the issue you're getting like because you're basically
00:06:00.540 saying but what about the women though when we're talking about the man but the difference is men
00:06:04.320 cannot opt out of fatherhood women can opt out of motherhood and i think we would both agree that
00:06:08.880 you should not be able to opt out of motherhood but we can and it's not my point but should
00:06:13.540 whatever that like abortion's legal it's here to stay unfortunately i i don't say this because i'm
00:06:18.160 happy about it but i mean in the uk they're introducing a law where they want to make it
00:06:22.360 legal up to birth so abortion is legal and right now men are not able to opt out of fatherhood
00:06:28.440 only women are only socially not physically women in the united states overwhelmingly have the right 0.99
00:06:34.760 to abort correct or are allowed to abort men don't have any say whatsoever whatsoever but socially
00:06:41.180 uh i looked it up about it says according to the u.s census bureau 20.2 percent of fathers about
00:06:45.520 seven million are absent dads they don't live with their minor children so right why right right so
00:06:51.360 this debt doesn't literally mean that 20 percent of fathers are like getting up and saying later
00:06:54.960 kid i'm going to buy scratchers and disappearing but my point was just that of this you have men
00:07:00.000 who are like okay you're having a kid i'm leaving you'll never see me again well but you don't you
00:07:04.880 don't understand the circumstances because a lot of times women make men dads that don't want to 1.00
00:07:09.520 be they're like this is something casual this is you know situationships are really common they know
00:07:14.240 that man will never commit to them and yet they still make the choice to have his kid i think in
00:07:18.240 those situations if we can legally opt out of motherhood they should be able to legally opt 0.59
00:07:22.080 out of fatherhood don't we we have all the power now don't make a kid with someone that doesn't
00:07:26.620 want to be a father i see i see you're saying that i think that applies equally to and this
00:07:30.820 is why i don't advocate for promiscuity don't sleep with someone that you are not prepared to
00:07:34.860 have a child with but but yeah again should but what what's happening is what you're that's like
00:07:40.940 this isn't a dream world you know this isn't like make a wish you know society promiscuity is going
00:07:45.360 to go it's not but so i'm talking about what's happening are you saying that a woman who sleeps 0.96
00:07:51.240 like let's say a woman uh uh you know we'll start light she sleeps with a guy gets pregnant and then 1.00
00:07:57.640 realizes this guy will leave her doesn't want to be a dad you're saying she should get an abortion 0.96
00:08:02.360 i'm not saying should or shouldn't i'm saying women have the choice to right now men do not
00:08:07.960 have the choice to opt out of fatherhood should or shouldn't it's almost like okay i mean this
00:08:13.080 isn't and this is where i get frustrated with conservatives it doesn't matter what i say women 1.00
00:08:16.920 are going to abort their kids it's not going to become illegal so if we're in a society where we 0.92
00:08:22.200 can legally not be mothers if we don't want why can't men legally not be no i guess