Pearl - May 30, 2026


I Asked A Catholic Man and A Catholic Usher If Women Should OBEY Their Husbands!


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In this episode, we discuss the recent controversy regarding women telling their husbands what to do. Is it okay for a woman to tell her husband how to do something? Should a man or a woman be the boss in a marriage?

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00:00:00.080 obviously there's a disconnect between what you understand are christians christian women
00:00:06.800 are in a marriage with a christian christian husband and it's a partnership um what's the
00:00:12.400 problem with the sign like is what what's wrong with the word obey we're just here to ask you to
00:00:18.560 leave it's just kind of weird because it's like isn't this what you guys teach in the church you
00:00:22.960 know i'm catholic so it's like i'm just it's just a little strange that there's such a hostile
00:00:30.560 you know response to this i just can't believe it's this big of a spectacle for like 0.76
00:00:35.920 god this is black filling me i thought the catholics would actually 0.99
00:00:39.760 i just thought the catholics would have some balls like 0.99
00:00:45.360 it's just crazy out of all the all the people obviously there's a disconnect between what you 0.99
00:00:54.000 understand are christians christian women are in a marriage with a christian christian husband
00:01:00.320 and it's a partnership so all decisions are made in a partnership manner and that's really what
00:01:06.800 you need to know about christian women so it's like if there's a decision it's 50 50. usually
00:01:12.560 you sit down and you kind of come to a conclusion but like if both parties disagree in life how
00:01:18.320 many of those situations do you have are you married okay so there aren't many times in life
00:01:23.440 for you have a decision that is so difficult that nobody can make a decision well but i'm saying what
00:01:29.680 would be wrong with that like what what's wrong with that what's wrong with what like if he did
00:01:34.240 make the decisions what's wrong with that well and sometimes when there's no decision to be made
00:01:39.120 either he or she will make it whoever felt stronger about it okay um so question do you
00:01:45.360 think it's okay for women to tell their husbands what to do no so you don't think it's okay men
00:01:50.960 don't tell women what to do either so oh so you don't think it's okay for either party to tell
00:01:55.840 them what to do no they can run their own lives okay but i guess because my question is someone
00:02:00.880 to tell you what to do yeah what do you know people tell me what to do all the time that's
00:02:05.600 a boss i mean i mean like you know the church just told me what to do they told me to get off
00:02:11.520 well so yeah you can't you know you can't really yeah they just did it i'm just telling you yeah
00:02:16.480 I just tell you, obviously, I don't think that in most cases there is one person that makes all decisions.
00:02:25.220 I don't think that's the kind of marriage that's going to last a long time.
00:02:27.860 Well, because my question is, the president tells the vice president what to do.
00:02:31.100 He should.
00:02:31.760 So why is there more obedience for bosses than husbands?
00:02:35.160 I have a question for you inside real quick.
00:02:36.860 Okay.
00:02:37.400 Thank you so much.
00:02:38.220 I really appreciate it.
00:02:39.200 Hey, guys.
00:02:39.740 How's it going?
00:02:40.060 I won't bother you.
00:02:40.600 But I want to ask you a question.
00:02:41.820 Are you a Christian?
00:02:42.800 Well, yeah, I'm Catholic.
00:02:43.980 I'm sorry?
00:02:44.480 I'm Catholic.
00:02:45.140 You are?
00:02:45.680 Uh-huh.
00:02:45.900 do you read the Bible? Yeah. Are you taking this question out of context or are you asking? Why
00:02:53.520 are you asking? I'm just curious. I'm a convert also. Oh, I just want to know what people believe.
00:02:58.100 Oh, so yeah. I mean, I just, I believe scripture. Okay. I believe scripture. And if you read the
00:03:05.960 entirety, okay, you get the context in which Jesus was talking. And Paul was actually referring when
00:03:12.140 he wrote his letter to the Ephesians. Okay. Okay. So should I, I read it and you can,
00:03:16.900 you can, you can, you can maybe explain and read it. I'm the head usher here and I'm going to be
00:03:21.780 here until after mass. Okay. Cause I was just more curious, like how far the obedience goes.
00:03:28.940 So read the context in which Paul's letter to the Ephesians. Okay. Was sent. Okay. So I'll read.
00:03:36.980 Then you might have a more of an understanding because I've been married to the same woman
00:03:41.220 for 56 years and she had six children okay so she submitted once or twice and at least six times
00:03:51.660 that I'm aware of and yet I've loved her through thick and thin and she's loved me through thick
00:03:59.900 and thin and if you read the entirety you'll see that what it says is have respect and love for
00:04:06.680 one another. It's not one-sided. If you take it out of context like that, there are so many things
00:04:15.080 that can be misinterpreted. Okay. So do you think it's okay for women to tell their husbands what
00:04:21.500 to do? I don't tell my wife. So no, I don't think it's okay for one to tell the other. Submit if
00:04:29.060 you'll read the letter, the scripture, what we preach, you may get a better understanding.
00:04:39.900 Do I think? No, I don't think it's right for me to tell you you can't be out here. I fought and
00:04:43.820 bled for your right to do this. Okay. So I don't have any issue with that. I think you're being
00:04:49.980 very friendly and very, and I understand. That's why I asked the question. Okay. I'm not being
00:04:55.600 ugly. I'm really not. No, I don't, I don't think you are. I was just more, um, trying to get a
00:04:59.780 better understanding. So, um, if a woman wouldn't tell her boss what to do, why is it okay, not okay 0.98
00:05:07.280 for like, why is it okay for her to tell her husband what to do? I guess it depends on whether
00:05:13.640 it's respectful discussion. Same for a man should not be telling his wife what to do. He should be
00:05:22.020 guiding her. So you can't tell her to shut up, even if she's being really annoying? Well, I didn't say
00:05:27.460 you can't. I said you shouldn't. And there's a big difference. Really? I think it'd be heaven on earth
00:05:32.740 if husbands told their wives to shut up more. No, I don't know that that's the case. My wife, it took
00:05:38.780 me a long time to understand that I should have been listening to her. Really? Like in what way?
00:05:46.660 Oh, and in a number of ways. I was on the road 120 to 200 days a year. And she raised my children,
00:05:57.100 and I missed that time. And she would say, can you be here for this? Can you be here for that?
00:06:03.720 And I didn't pay attention. If I'd have been listening, if I had been doing what he said
00:06:10.780 to the effusions then it could very well have made a difference in my family life
00:06:19.260 really because you work too like what's wrong with that if you were you know building I'm
00:06:23.420 assuming like you were paying for everything and or like um well the money the money came in from 0.98
00:06:28.660 me yes that's correct and she took care of I couldn't have hired a woman to do what she did
00:06:33.340 right all right so how do you compensate no i just meant like you kind of um if i'm understanding
00:06:41.180 you right you're almost framing it as if it was like a bad thing that you worked a lot
00:06:45.180 but i'm saying like like what's wrong i don't think there's anything wrong with that
00:06:48.940 you know with avoiding well with placing my thoughts of needs
00:06:56.940 in front of my family's physical and spiritual needs okay you don't think there was anything
00:07:05.180 wrong with that well i think most men are selfless so they do things for their family
00:07:09.960 and so like they do things for themselves because it makes them feel good you know i didn't have to
00:07:14.480 do what i did yeah well i think a lot of times like women guilt men for things that they shouldn't
00:07:19.760 feel guilty about i'm not saying you in particular but like i never felt guilty about it yeah i'm
00:07:26.140 convert converts don't have guilt only only cradle catholics have guilt okay okay yeah yeah
00:07:33.740 great catholic have beat into them from day one well because i guess my question is just it seems 0.88
00:07:38.220 like bosses have more authority over their employees than husbands do over their wives
00:07:43.980 like if i like my employee right but again okay it all goes back to the entirety of the scripture
00:07:54.300 Okay.
00:07:55.380 And I've been working hard to try and get back in line with that.
00:08:00.240 Your timing was perfect for me.
00:08:02.000 Okay.
00:08:02.920 Okay.
00:08:03.780 What do you think people don't?
00:08:04.820 I go to a Bible study over in Keller.
00:08:09.520 Okay.
00:08:10.600 And I and another buddy I was in the military with,
00:08:13.740 there were only two Catholics in that study.
00:08:16.180 And, you know, that's never once come up.
00:08:18.600 About Obey?
00:08:20.100 About that. 0.60
00:08:21.320 No.
00:08:21.480 So do you think churches are afraid to teach this at times?
00:08:26.920 I don't think so.
00:08:28.060 I think that if they teach what Paul wrote to the Ephesians, the world would be a better place.
00:08:39.420 Okay.
00:08:40.020 I do believe that.
00:08:41.200 I think, and marriages, divorce would probably be a whole lot less.
00:08:48.500 One more question.
00:08:49.260 So if the husband tells his wife one thing and the priest or the pastor tells her another, who should she listen to?
00:08:58.960 I guess, again, you can pull things so that I have to answer a question that I don't have all of the details or all of the facts.
00:09:09.160 And so I create the context in which I would make my own decision.
00:09:13.320 I don't think that that's a fair or practical question.
00:09:18.600 I guess it depends.
00:09:20.160 It's like me asking, are you going to quit beating your husband?
00:09:23.780 No, I wouldn't really say that's the same thing.
00:09:26.600 Well, that's what you said.
00:09:28.140 No, it goes back to the—
00:09:29.280 Are you going to listen to your husband?
00:09:30.100 Are you going to listen to your priest?
00:09:31.120 That's what you ask.
00:09:31.780 Yeah, because it's asking who has authority, right?
00:09:34.580 And that's what the whole question's about.
00:09:36.480 It's who has the authority?
00:09:38.120 Does the husband have it?
00:09:38.960 Jesus sent the authority, and he said,
00:09:42.080 If you can read the entirety of Scripture, Ephesians 5, 21 through 33, it's really, I'm not even a college grad and I understand.
00:09:55.500 Okay.
00:09:56.480 But thank you.
00:09:57.420 Thank you.
00:09:58.540 And I can understand, I guess you're having a question.
00:10:04.660 I just don't.