Pearl - Illegitimate Kids, DNA Bombshells & Why Men Can’t Win Family Court Anymore w⧸ @thisisshah

00:00:00.160 well it's interesting too because with so many single mothers coming up like the chance of

00:00:04.960 this dowry happening is like negative a thousand no like um and even it's interesting too because

00:00:11.680 when i was thinking about the class difference between for elon musk and ashley yeah history

00:00:18.400 that never would have happened ever yeah no no i mean and if it you know if it did happen at least

00:00:24.960 in the more recent history that would be an illegitimate child um and they're yeah what

00:00:30.400 would happen to them so back then it was it was really different like nowadays we do this thing

00:00:36.240 where we take a child who's illegitimate and we make them legitimate which means they have rights

00:00:40.640 of inheritance and all this stuff in probate court back then an illegitimate child you're not going to

00:00:46.160 legally inherit no no way yeah so you have this illegitimate child uh it doesn't count and the

00:00:52.240 you know the church was strict on this too there was no genetic tests back then either but let me

00:00:57.040 tell you something adoption wasn't even legal until relatively recently no the church outlawed adoption

00:01:02.800 and it for from ancient rome from whenever christianity became the sort of state religion

00:01:09.280 all the way up and through through like 1850 or so adoption was was illegal so they were very specific

00:01:17.120 about you know what marriages can happen so what would happen to the kids whose parents died uh

00:01:23.760 well they probably end up in some kind of orphanage or you know um but so it's it's interesting when

00:01:30.160 you look at it because what happens is is you know back then like let's say you married someone and she

00:01:34.240 was barren or she couldn't have kids you couldn't really know that before before you know they would

00:01:40.240 maybe marry a concubine who's not a wife but she can provide a child and he can be made he or she could be made

00:01:46.000 legitimate the church outlawed concubinage when uh they became monogamous so it almost helped the

00:01:53.120 infertile woman because yeah like in a way because she still gets to stay married instead of getting

00:01:58.560 divorced if you look up what organization on the planet owns the most property guess guess what do

00:02:06.560 you think it is i'm thinking bill gates it's the catholic church oh no oh that's i should have been

00:02:12.800 able to get the catholic church owns the most property because what would happen is you'd end

00:02:17.600 up with people who didn't have heirs to pass it on to and they would gift it to the church

00:02:22.000 so when they outlawed adoption so you couldn't adopt somebody to get to pass it on you couldn't

00:02:26.560 have a concubine um about 20 of people wouldn't have kids at in europe and another 20 would only have

00:02:34.400 daughters so that particular daughter if if she didn't get married um she would have a really nice

00:02:41.280 dowry because she's inheriting everything it's not just her portion but anyway so it's it's an

00:02:46.000 interesting history um and and you know so you can kind of see how that forms europe and what's

00:02:52.240 different about it but the part to where we get to today is nowadays you'll see all kinds of strange

00:02:58.240 things you'll have a kid out of wedlock and then as soon as the child support agency makes that kid a

00:03:02.960 legal child now this kid has claims to certain things that's why sometimes when some historically that

00:03:08.800 would never happen no no because it would just be the parents yeah yeah well that this kid would be

00:03:14.560 a bastard it'd probably be pretty hard to prove that first of all i mean even but you know genetic

00:03:18.720 tests came in the 90s uh relatively that's where you got maury povich you got the show prior to that

00:03:25.280 you had blood tests and paternity cases were like some of the hardest cases for our attorneys at the

00:03:30.720 child support agency nowadays they're easy because dna tests make it so easy um but back then you'd have

00:03:36.400 to have these whole paternity trials and you know you'd have to bring in witnesses and i saw them

00:03:41.200 and they were behind the barn or whatever happened you know what i mean so then you can place them

00:03:45.040 there um so then nowadays i look at genetic tests as like a nuclear bomb in this space basically because

00:03:52.480 once that happened it meant it doesn't matter what the relationship with the child is this guy's the

00:03:58.960 father we could immediately get money from him and this is why child support and custody are separate

00:04:03.280 also by the way i'm curious do you know anything about genie like when that did come out if they

00:04:09.840 found it like has this cheating been going on for longer than we thought yeah um because i saw someone

00:04:16.560 on twitter like replied to one of my tweets and they said that they looked at gene genealogical records

00:04:23.120 and found that there was a lot more cheating from like neighbors and other people in town that we know in

00:04:28.400 history now this is a random person on twitter so i don't know but i was just curious you seem to have

00:04:34.240 read a lot about this talk yeah i don't you know i don't know if you can point to any specific numbers

00:04:38.880 on there um i think there was definitely a lot of that because once again you couldn't prove it so

00:04:44.240 you know and and typically if communities were more homogenized and you know your neighbor didn't look

00:04:49.920 that different from you it might be harder to tell um so it probably did happen i mean if you go off

00:04:55.440 numbers now i mean i think they say out of genetic tests that they actually do which means that there

00:05:00.160 was a suspicion of cheating already about a 30 of them or something end up not being it but you know

00:05:06.960 there were some indications where i think people might have been suspicious if there's dna tests

00:05:13.520 it would have been different no i meant now if there's mandatory dna tests out there they should

00:05:18.480 do that all right they yeah yeah but they can't i'll tell you this they can't because like like

00:05:25.440 let's say 20 of the population is raising kids that aren't and they find out and they feel like

00:05:31.280 what is that going to do to society yeah i don't think the government will ever let it happen i'll

00:05:35.440 tell you this there's less incentive for the government to do it because from the government's

00:05:39.280 point of view they want to see children born that have legal parents that are responsible for them

00:05:43.840 if the government probably does not want to pay to find out that we don't know who the dad is and

00:05:50.000 then you know have more kids on welfare or foster care i will say there has been suspicions in

00:05:54.080 history i mean i think it's called lord mansfield's rule this was in late 1700s i can't remember

00:06:00.080 exactly but it was in england and they made it to where you couldn't challenge paternity of the kid

00:06:06.960 all the way back then so it kind of leads me to believe that there must have been people who

00:06:11.040 were like that's not my kid and they were trying to get this figured out until they were like no

00:06:15.440 you know stop bringing this up basically so there's always suspicion it's possible yeah because i just

00:06:21.200 wonder do you think any laws will change in the future i find it i'll just give you my shot so you

00:06:27.920 can tell me if you agree or disagree but i find it very improbable because there's just so much money

00:06:34.480 in this machine so with all the lawyers that are involved all the policy makers all of the people

00:06:42.160 benefit social security i don't see any incentive for it to change um do you have more hope than me

00:06:52.000 uh you know i'm definitely guilty of being a you know how you got the just lift bros i was a just

00:06:57.120 change the laws bro kind of guy but you know i've i've spent a lot of time talking with a lot of folks

00:07:02.640 in the space especially with folks like paul elam peter wright and they've kind of watched these

00:07:07.920 sort of men's rights initiatives happen in you know over a long period of time just in their lives but

00:07:12.640 also historically they've done the research and they've kind of seen that if the culture is not

00:07:17.920 caught up with it it tends to not happen um so you know i don't i don't see any big push for loss to

00:07:25.040 change unfortunately i think with more men avoiding marriage you know the only time they they start to ask

00:07:32.480 questions is when it seems like they're losing out like oh the birth rate's down or correct this is

00:07:38.560 this or men's checking out yeah and it's like what can we do and they will do everything they can to

00:07:43.840 avoid giving men stuff i hate to say it but what they'll do is like oh well how can we make ivf easier

00:07:49.440 for women yeah or something like that um or let's give women a tax break or something and the men get

00:07:55.680 nothing paying us to have kids yeah i think i saw that recently so you think five grand is going to

00:08:01.840 help no yeah and it's you know there's it's kind of a strange thing because i mean we know kids have

00:08:08.400 a tougher time or at least the worst prognosis if the father's not in their life and you know there's

00:08:14.080 a lot of people selling marriage and if they want to do that they need to make marriage a deal that at

00:08:19.120 least works for both parties at least during at-fault divorce okay there were no dowries back then but at

00:08:24.720 least in at fault you had some protection i mean if you know if you cheated on her as the guy

00:08:32.080 you'd you'd get screwed over and you know rightfully so you were you caused the injury in this you were

00:08:37.680 at fault if she cheated on you um you'd be the injured party and the way that the assets of the

00:08:42.960 marriage get divvied up would be different you know so we don't even have that now we have no fault

00:08:48.400 you know and i know there's an argument we can't even go back to at fault you know that's that's

00:08:52.480 unrealistic there'd be so many false abuse cases it's just would be a waste of money anyways probably

00:08:58.400 but you know that was at least still in my opinion a little bit better now we're at no fault this is

00:09:02.960 why i i like to study things like the dowry and things is because we're in this environment that's

00:09:07.920 so hostile legally um and it's like if i was going to take the monogamy deal would at least make sense

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Pearl - May 31, 2025

Illegitimate Kids, DNA Bombshells & Why Men Can’t Win Family Court Anymore w⧸ @thisisshah

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