Pearl - December 06, 2024Is The Answer To This Failed Society Christian Polygamy？ ｜ Pearl Daily
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Summary
Polygamy has long been a controversial topic in the Christian community, especially in the West. Is it wrong to have multiple wives? Should it be allowed in Western culture? Is it even a thing? What does the Bible say about it? And what does it mean in the context of the New Testament?
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Today, we're doing an early Friday show and we're going to be reacting to a debate on
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This was interesting to me because half of the people in this debate are actually pushing
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a Christian form of polygamy. And this was hosted on my friend Glenn Lawrence's channel
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with also Andrew Wilson on the debate. So let's get started.
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and I will read your comments in the live chat.
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clearly in the practice of religion itself but in the greater framework of biblical patriarchy
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the god-ordained structure of relationship that safeguards marriages families and ultimately
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society biblical patriarchy founded on male headship provisions and protections stand as
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a single most important aspect of safe and flourishing marriages in the west it provides
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the structure within which celibacy monogamy and religion can coexist as divinely ordained practices
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reinforcing stability moral responsibility and justice in this debate i will take the position
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or my robin i will take the position that religion is morally acceptable according to the bible and
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does not constitute sin far from being contradictory to biblical values it complements and reinforces
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the principles of biblical patriarchy alongside celibacy and monogamy together these practices
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creates a flexible and enduring system capable of addressing the crisis in of marriage and families
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in the west at its heart biblical patriarchy calls men to leave their families as christ
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leads the ecclesia or congregation according to ephesians 5 with fact official love unwavering
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common commitment and moral responsibility it assigns complementary roles to men and women
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ensuring that the family structure is built on mutual respect and care in a time when western
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marriage is fractured by instability gender confusion and economic pressure biblical
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patriarchy restores order and purpose celibacy provides an opportunity for men to focus entirely
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on spiritual leadership community service and advancing the kingdom of god as exemplified by
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apostle paul now this reinforces i want to say when i first thought about polygamy right
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Right. Obviously coming from the West, it's very tab. It's very taboo. Nobody really it's kind of
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weird. Right. And it's it's really thought of as a Muslim thing. But the more I've lived life,
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I've realized that we're already in polygamy. Most people don't know it yet. If you take the
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rate that people cheat within married relationships, you know, up to 50 percent someday, some say as
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little as 25%, that's partially polygamy. If the woman's married to one guy, cheating with
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the personal trainer. On top of that, monogamy used to be one person for life. So if you have
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a first wife and a second wife, okay, I guess maybe it's a little different because the guy's
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not dating them or married to them at the same time. But the way they would see it in the East
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is that we do essentially the same thing we just kind of do it at different periods in our life
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patriarchal principles that true leadership flows from submission to god monogamy allows
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men to exercise focuses leadership and care for a single family deepening the intimacy and trust
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it mirrors christ's covenantal love for his ecclesia um as stated in ephesians earlier
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religion here on its turn magnifies male responsibility by requiring greater leadership
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provisions and fairness it underscores the patriarch's role as a just and sacrificial
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leader and seen in Deuteronomy 21 regulated by Exodus 21 accidentally established by Deuteronomy
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25 and understood in terms of Leviticus 20 read together with Deuteronomy 22. Now biblical
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patriarchy not only reinforces these practices but also ensures that they work together to
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benefit men women children and society at large now let me now if we if we look at the at the
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bible is clear that belligerent is not sinful instead it is presented as a permissible marital
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arrangement within god's covenant i know his mic is really bad framework throughout the
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old testament we see this picture of such as abraham jacob david and in the new testament
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it may be argued that monogamy is elevated as an ideal particularly in the leadership context but
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polygyny is never condemned in fact paul is clear that celibacy is an idea jesus christ teaches on
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marriage in matthew 2019 as that emphasizes the sanctity of marriage and condemns setting aside
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but does not address religion paul instructs in 1 timothy 3 2 that church leaders should be husband
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of one wife could be argued as qualification for leadership but not a universal prohibition
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of polygyny although this position is highly contentious amongst greek scholars however the
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silence of the new testament on condemning polygyny suggests that all that there are no
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condemned condemnation of religion suggests that it remains a moral neutral under the covenant
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now critics now critics for the paleoconservative and greek orthodoxy often reject
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religionally based on cultural norms rather than the legal evidence so i was thinking of this as
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a thought experiment what's worse one man with two wives or a man that has an ex-girlfriend
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he dated for three years broke up with then marries the new wife and i was thinking about
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this as a thought experiment okay i'm not by the way this is not a me co-signing it or pushing it
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i was just thinking about it in the second way the woman if if they had a child
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or even just in general is taken care of for life where you know in the first one you're
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kind of out of luck i'm not saying that the ladies deserve lifelong being taken care of
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but i was thinking about it as a thought experiment and anyways i'm going to continue
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Paleo-conservatives argue for monogamy as a stabilizing force in society, but their position is rooted in Western ideals, not in the breadth of Biblical teaching.
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Greek Orthodoxy, shaped by Greco-Roman culture influence, idealizes monogamy while ignoring the permissibility of polygyny under the old government.
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Both perspectives fail to reconcile their claims with the clear Biblical president.
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and on closure celibacy has said ideal celibacy is the ideal reinforcement for foundation of
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biblical patriarchy monogamy serves as a powerful expression of biblical patriarchy by mirroring the
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covenantal love between christ and the kisser religion while not coming banded but may be
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incidentally established as a biblical permissible practice that magnifies male responsibility and
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care and closure as western society faces a crisis in marriage biblical patriarchy provides
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the solution it will elevate celibacy as the highest ideal monogamy as a common standard and
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polygyny as a permissible and practical alternative together these practices reinforces the principles
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of leadership provision and justice that protects families and builds strong communities according
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to the provisions of the scripture religiony when practiced within the framework of biblical
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patriarchy is not only morally acceptable, but also reflects God's wisdom in accommodating
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diverse needs across culture. When you think about it, this argument, this whole debate is
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what do we do with all of these women? You know, they say, okay, maybe we could go back to forcing
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them to get married. Arranged. You're forced. Yep. No choice. You want your family's inheritance?
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a range but then the men get together and they say well what if she doesn't like do we really
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want to force them to sleep with someone they don't like and if they don't want to do it should
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we really impose that on them so they can't all right scrap that but when we let them do whatever
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they want they keep sleeping with the same guys maybe we just legalize that I mean
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what I mean these are these are what society's wrestling with do we force
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Or do we let the ladies choose whoever they want and we all date the same men?
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Under 30 women, you know, date all the same guys.
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You know, in Ireland, it's around 35 years old women get married.
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so it's going to keep going up so like the ladies are the ones that want the polygamy more than the
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men and that's the interesting thing polygamy is seen as something that the men want no no no no
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if tomorrow they said ladies we're gonna make being a side chick a crime and cheating a crime
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right we're gonna make it illegal tomorrow you will be stoned to death if you cheat on your wife
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and you will also be stoned to death if you cheat with a married man do you know who do you know
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would protest first the ladies i mean we love the show scandal right and the show scandal is what
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about the president's side why do women love monica lewinski i i don't i don't make the rules
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right but i can describe what's going on here and time by grounding an understanding of marriage in
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in scripture rather than cultural assumption okay i'm sorry this guy's mic is so bad i'm gonna skip
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over this a little bit the sanctity of marriage protect the vulnerable and create society that
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protects god's next guy's going okay never mind next guy's about to go thank you
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all right andrew okay yeah this argument is blown out in two seconds the easiest way to do it is
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just to point out that um under this framework that he just outlined you could marry your first
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cousin so and i doubt that he would advocate that there's nothing biblically that would say that you
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couldn't there's nothing biblically that said now this whole debate because i did see a bit of it
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earlier andrew is trying to equate polygamy to marrying your first cousin now andrew is a very
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good debater i i really think he could argue any point but i'm just trying to think through
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some of these things do i think that marrying your cousin is the same thing as polygamy well
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i guess i i have seen some of those countries i know in india they definitely marry their
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cousins there but i don't i don't know if india's like i'd have to look i don't think they are
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but that's the only country i know that they really marry their cousins like that
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i'm sure there's more you could let me know in the comments
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um I just know I used to get my nails done by this woman in um when I was in London and
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casually this lady's doing my nails and I was asking her about her life and whatever
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and she just casually tells me she married her cousin and I'm thinking like are your kids all
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right do they I guess they were fine I don't know it was normal there I mean it happened in fact
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right but you would oh sorry but i wanted to say i don't i think he's trying to equate them to be
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the same thing or i don't know why he keeps bringing this up to me this just isn't that
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relevant and advocate for that and anyway the debate's not about that anyway i'd like to take
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a second to point out that the debate isn't over if polygyny is against christian ethics or not
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though i'm sure at some point we'll touch on that uh for the sake of the argument of the debate
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uh of can it save the west is what i'm arguing against the answer is clearly and most certainly
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no let us start with a demonstration pull up my screen please because when i hear can it
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save the west my first question is what what does save the west look like i mean right now
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i don't know guys the power's on i have my dishwasher my roomba like what is saving the
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west is it getting families back together maybe that's what they mean well
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yeah i don't think it would do much we just love leaving relationships too much
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i don't know we'll see that i have a share screen ready
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oh look at that oh that's a polygamy map pull that back up please uh so here on our nice
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polygamy map uh these are the countries where polygamy is allowed and some now i don't think
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this matters where it's allowed where it's not allowed because again we're in soft polygamy in
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in the United. Whether you like it or not, the dating app data is clear. It is so clear.
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We are in soft polygamy. People are sharing partners. So I don't know if the laws really
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change anything. When marriage is seven years, you could say, okay, for that seven years,
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they were monogamous, but what about the rest of their life? Do you just get a get-out-of-jail-free
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card? Because you did monogamy for a little while, then went back to polygamy, then back to
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monogamy. Is it really monogamy if you're in it for eight years? I don't know. But the challenge
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we have is, you know, no matter how bad the women behave, there's always a simp. And as you guys
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note that the red where it's um illegal are the host countries with the most immigrants from the
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countries in green where it's legal. The United Nations actually cites polygamy as a primary
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cause for the instability for various reasons, which we can get into, and the UN itself doesn't
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even recommend polygyny as a cultural attitude to be outsourced, which is amazing because they
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basically do it for almost every other attitude. There are multitudes of anthropological studies
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backing up this point. So many, in fact, it was actually overwhelming. Let's go over some of the
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Quick bullet points. Polygyny destabilizes societies. According to these anthropological
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studies, here's how they do it. Less civil liberties, highest rates of despotism, higher
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rates of warfare, higher rates of intergroup violence, more government corruption, and less
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political security, national security. These associations remain across all countries with
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polygyny regardless of religion, culture, or ethnicity, meaning that just because you're a
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christian polygynous it doesn't seem to help this whatsoever this is because it creates a standing
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pool of aggrieved young men with no prospects whatsoever for reproductive access these are
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usually poor young men okay so he's talking about the challenge that does come with polygamy that
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we're seeing now okay let me i decided i was going to use the whiteboard but um i would decided to
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make a chart slideshow let's show this chart so this is the dating pool right now now
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all I did was google hot people average people ugly people okay so we got the hot woman here
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now if we go back to monogamy it would be the hot woman with the hot guy it would make sense you
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know this guy would be with the average girl and the ugly guy would take the old woman the whore
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or whatever I feel like this guy wouldn't be so bad if he just cleared the acne got to whatever
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who cares um now what we have now is all three of these ladies are going towards the hawkeye you
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know before the guy in the middle might have been the hottest guy in the town this woman here well
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would have been illegal for them to be together but you know for the sake of it this woman over
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here she wouldn't know this guy existed she doesn't even know what she's missing so this
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guy asks her to marry her and she doesn't think about the dm she got from chad over here she
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doesn't think about that she doesn't think oh well what if that's a better option now let's
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let's reverse it right let's say all of these men were being hit on by women like this
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when this woman it's not like that but let's switch the roles right let's say all these guys
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had girlfriends that were this hot or women interested in them that were this hot
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i mean when this average woman over here would come up to them and say hey
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marry me have kids with me they would say well i have a better option now obviously the roles
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are reversed right so now the question is what to do what do we do with these two ladies right
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we got the old woman over here do we mandate and say you average woman go with that average man
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and she says no ugh ugh but he he gives me the ick well why does he give you the ick well he
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reasons the ick is real do we say you have to you know and there's just part of me i know there's a
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whole um western culture through god's eyes great channel love them they they think that we should
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just force arranged marriage or no deal but something about me I just I mean I just for me
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personally I don't know if I'd want to be with someone that doesn't want to be with me and the
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other challenge is you know it's not like social media is going anywhere so she's still going to
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be seeing Chad and feeling like this guy isn't enough now the reason I say this that we don't
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force the arranged marriage is because this guy is going to have such a miserable life being with
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this woman that doesn't want to be with him I mean he it's better he's by himself that's why you know
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the MGTOW guys they make perfect sense they say this is a headache right this is drama a headache
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and then my second question the reason I think polygamy is actually nicer to women let's say
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we legalize Chad to have three wives and heck maybe he gets a second one maybe this guy gets
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three second guy gets two i mean honestly whoever takes this old lady over here they're kind of
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doing her a favor right i mean the bottom ladies on the totem pole the kids remember half of the
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women are going to be single and childless we don't know what to do especially the 50 60 70
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year old women what do we do with the like what if we start all living to 90 100 years old
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there's going to be so many of these ladies going around that you know when they were this age they
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said oh ugly oh ugly and now they're old and these guys are like oh we don't want you you know
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I mean if you look at take Donald Trump and his ex-wives you know the last the first one before
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she passed away I mean she wasn't that good looking really any woman a man that took her
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was really doing her more of a favor than him so these are the questions what to do with these
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ladies do we force them do we at 18 20 say you must go with that guy regardless of how much they
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don't want to? Or do we just keep letting the sexes go apart until the ladies start to feel
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the consequences of our decisions, right? So, you know, let's say we take the sexes and just say,
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okay, ladies, you want to be by yourself? Go. Be alone. Well, the challenge is, so when the woman
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looks like this, she's given all these free jobs, free attention, whatever. But now she looks like
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this and she realizes she has to work for 40 more years now do you think brad over here is gonna take
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this woman to be a housewife she says no no no i'm ready i'm ready to be a housewife he'll say yeah
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good luck now hypothetically you could do polygamy
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yeah i'm gonna keep going with the debate we're gonna come back we're gonna come back
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about half the boys and polygamous cultures need to be ejected from their community once they reach
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puberty to sustain this imbalance and these are called lost boys major problem with political
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instability in these countries uh if most families can't get by by the way on one income with only
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one wife and 1.6 kids how many men can afford multiple wives and many children well the answer
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is almost none yeah okay so then he makes the argument that the men can't afford the wives and
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i actually thought this was a moot point and i'll tell you why i'm going back to my polygamy slide
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now a lot of people will say how will the men afford all of these wives well remember we're in
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2024 men have a soft soft man era now the men can actually you know they said you know the men got
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together and they said ladies they said to this hot woman over here be a mother go go have my
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children and she said nah nah i'd rather not i want to go do other things and so you know
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know they don't really want to put a gun to the young women's head and make them they don't want
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to do it but this lady over here can go make forty thousand dollars a year and have one kid
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throw that kid in public school she could still hold a job woman number two over here he could
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get her pregnant right that's wife number two i mean again most kids are in public school throw
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woman i'm not saying they should be but i'm saying it's 2024 i'm trying to work with what we got here
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so you know now this woman here has a kid she brings in 40 000 a year
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that's 80k now let's say chad over here makes 50 right i think average guys make 50.
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now now we're working with now i understand and maybe wife number three she's too old she's
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infertile i mean let's make her a little hotter than this let's pretend she's a little like she's
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40 and you know goes to she looks like a uh jayla that's too attractive uglier version of jaylo at
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40 right but she can't have kids anymore but she could still contribute you know we have these
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ladies, they can't have kids anymore, but they can bring in 40K, give it to the guy
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or contribute to rent, right? I don't know if the money argument is going to stand
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because there's too many jobs available to the ladies. You could be a housewife
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with a stay-at-home job. I mean, we're finding out that the government employees the last,
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you know, decade, haven't been going to work or really working. I mean, everyone kind of knew
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that, right? So, I mean, he could send Shirley over here to go make $40,000 a year for the government
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and work from home and do nothing. I mean, there's all these jobs that are given to us
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for practically doing nothing. Wouldn't it kind of make sense for the woman to go get the easy
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money rather than you know making brad or maybe so maybe this guy in the middle he hits 45 and
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these ladies said no to him you know at 25 but now he's 45 he got a cool dirt bike a motorcycle
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you know now we love the motorcycles or maybe he got i don't know maybe he got a dog he got something
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that just brought the ladies back in got a little you know silver fought whatever so now the ladies
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are back they said brad please our chat we know this is brad brad please take us right so
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and maybe brad doesn't want kids he says you know i've seen one too many of my friends get
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absolutely ruined over having children no kids but i do want some company ladies
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i mean i don't i don't see you know everyone says we got to go back to traditionalism
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do the ladies do we really deserve traditionalism i mean what's in it for the men now they get 1.5
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kids maybe if you get like six or seven you get one
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i mean daycare is state funded in some states i'm not saying that's best for the kids right but
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i'm just trying to be pragmatic here okay i'm gonna keep going so i don't know the money
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argument to me there's too many women that don't want to have kids where they could be a second
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third wife hypothetically and just not have children i mean that's kind of what we're doing
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in the soft polygamy era anyway children from polygamous families report higher rates of
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aggression behavioral problems likely to be less competitive confusion with parental roles
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wives end up with more mental health problems for unequal treatment now he's saying the wives are
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gonna end up with mental health problems well i mean one in four women are on ssris in the united
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states we have mental health problems anyway i don't know if that's polyg i mean
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i don't know if we can attribute that to polygamy in itself social media maybe
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but you know when one in four of the ladies have it i just can't i can't say that that
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yeah I can't say that's gonna be it favoritism unhealthy competition lack of trust lack of
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marital satisfaction also can I just again okay so then I gotta think through this right I gotta
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think through the marital satisfaction is bad for the polygamous places well
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we tried christian monogamy and the only way the way you see how people the way you see what people
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truly want is when you give them the freedom to do anything and look at what decisions we made
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we have this idea that women were brainwashed by feminism i don't think anybody's brainwashed i
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think us ladies we know exactly what we're picking and i think what we found out is one
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women are not as monogamous as we thought and they weren't as happy in their marriages as we thought
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because when we got the freedom to do anything they left I know that's not like a happy conclusion
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but it's kind of like okay imagine you think your wife is or your husband let's flip it you think
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your husband is amazing and he's loyal forever but then he gets really rich and he starts banging
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hot 22 year olds he probably always wanted to do that but now he gets the choice it's the same thing
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with the ladies you know once we got the choice we got the job we got the birth control
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too many of them picked it for me to think ah you know that they were the marital satisfaction
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i mean to be fair i just think us and as a gender we're just not all but we're just not
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really satisfied with anything ever because we're the most privileged class of people in all of
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history probably we still complain so for like i wouldn't use marital satisfaction what we say
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is a metric at all because i just think we're never satisfied and out that all these countries
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have the lowest gdp on planet earth sub-sahara africa afghanistan polynesia papa new guinea i
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can tell you about a little island off the coast of that if you'd like and southeast asia lowest pdp
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there is highest polygyny uh rate i could see that you know the the guys they think do i need
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to be rich and make a bunch of money for a wife and kids and i don't think that's gonna happen
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for me not anytime soon why do it but then we go back to the question do we force the ladies or
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give them free will force free will force free will pick your poison it's called the polygamy belt
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west and central africa middle east southeast asia in kenya for instance highly christian by the way
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43 percent of households with polyamorous men are poor compared to 27 percent of the monogamous
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household much richer well-established link between polygamy poverty warfare underdeveloped nations
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and warlords? Overwhelming. It's not even close. There's no way you could ever make a case that
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polygyny or polygamy is going to save the West. It can't save the countries that it's in right
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this second. But to address Mr. Kowalski's arguments for polygamy, they are surface level
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and they're totally ridiculous. They don't actually even make sense. He argues there aren't
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enough virtuous women to go around while also arguing Protestant churches have more women than
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men in them, which is true. There are many easily pointed out issues here. One, if more women than
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men are in Protestant churches, yet there are less virtuous women than men, it would entail that
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Protestant churches aren't producing virtuous women, but secular ethics is producing virtuous
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men. That is really fucking stupid, by the way. That is really stupid. Two, if it were the case,
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as he argues, polygamy is real and virtuous women are polygamous, and that's fine as that's how they
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were designed rather than a passion to overcome then all it would mean is that the already small
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pool of virtuous women would marry the same virtuous man creating an even smaller pool of
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virtuous women that are that already happens that's what i say we're already in poly polygamy
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right okay so when i was i was in um a protestant church for like i don't know two three years i
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went i went i was kind of nosy i wanted to see what was going on you don't think that the guy
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in the i mean in the churches it's like the guys in the band you know the guys on the guitar the
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ladies you know we love we love the musical instruments or you know the one you know it
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was interesting because i was in this church right and this church was probably 80 to 90
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female they did like a dating thing in the church and where they were trying to set people up
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whatever and even though it was 80 to 90 female the women would get set up with a guy and they
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would still reject him they're like we want a christian man and then they would say here you
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go and they're like not that one and then the ladies would get together um and they would say
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oh my gosh there's one woman she was like a 30 year old virgin i mean alleged who knows right
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but she claimed and it it was crazy because she was really pretty but they would they would say
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what about this guy is he good and then she would say well i just think i have she would think that
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her faith was better than his faith and i would just keep thinking what more does this guy got
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he's at church he volunteers he's in the band like uh he reads his bible like what are you doing that
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makes you so i i mean and then it would be like well he tried he tried to have sex with me and
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like yeah well he's a guy that's what they're gonna do you know i'm like i mean what do you
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want him to be a saint you're old like you're not you know and so i would still see the same thing
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even when it was all women pretty much so i'm gonna read comments if you guys have comments
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you go to the audacitynetwork.com and then i do read your comments so um andrew on the ball as
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usual alexander said she's reviewing this debate i thought saw the thumbnail for it yesterday
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pearl do you think if the collective of men learn to improve their looks would they qualify for
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women's standards or do you think that women would narrow their standards even further
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um i i do think that men going to the gym is because we already have money as as women you
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know we can either get it through sugar dating um through men just throwing their resources at
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women for being hot i mean you guys see this like the ladies don't even have to put out anymore men
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will just throw it at them we also get these jobs that pay a lot like i had a roommate in college
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she made like 60k a year right out of school human resources you know jobs like that so we have the
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security now we don't the money aspect you can't really you know pay for women like you used to
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you know we used to say ah i need i need money we're gonna we're gonna marry that guy that's
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all that's off the table so i i think that improves men's you know chances the best but
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unfortunately we're just never happy sadly enough um feminism means men can't be fathers the
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government needs to stop simping to women then they need husbands for men three he argues that
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the skanks of society would basically be taken care of through polygamy uh in this case polygyny
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because of course men wouldn't mind marrying them if they already had a virtuous woman
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this also makes no sense if you think about it for one second because if you had a virtuous woman
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why the hell would you want to marry a skank to begin with makes no sense i i assume because
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she gives better head i don't really understand why else you'd want to do it uh you know i've
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seen men do crazy things because a woman is good i mean you wonder how these women that have been
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through everybody still end up getting married at the end of it could could could a man hypothetically
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marry a woman because she gives really good blow jobs could i see that happening
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i gotta be honest i really could i wouldn't i wouldn't put it past them you know what i mean
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don't even understand the argument it's silly on its face it just seems like it's a movement
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towards the pleasure of the flesh it also has another problem as well which is that it would
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basically be promoting promiscuity if it did work by adding an additional societal safeguard to
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promiscuous women essentially assuring them a husband as long as she acted as a fuck puppet
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for him which isn't very different from how secular women already act outside of christian ethics
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in fact there's so many problems with the arguments that he made that i can barely
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scratch the surface but i think that this is good for right now and we can just move right
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into the debate uh i just want to let both of you guys know right now um i went in depth into
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all of your positions and this debate is not going to go well for either of you uh ready when you are
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thank you well actually i'd like to address a few things since he started at this point you guys
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we're gonna go ahead and let it open and let you guys go back and forth all right okay so
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okay so um andrew said that you know talking about marrying first cousins
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maybe we saw that once or twice in the old testament you know people say well uh you can
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murder people or no that was something that mike winger said but we see this repeatedly practiced
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by our spiritual offspring over and over never a word of condemnation never a word of punishment
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not one single time in thousands of years now people will say oh you know the one flesh argument
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means monogamy well why didn't the israelites believe that for thousands of years i'm not here
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to argue about the biblical basis for polygyny that's not the topic of the debate the topic of
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the debate is centered around whether or not it can save the west i'd like to dive in i really
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wish they clarified what does saving the west mean i think this is a pretty good time in history to
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alive i don't know i i saw the maybe would you guys rather be fighting in a war right now i don't
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know maybe you guys would find it exciting your arguments here you said it would destabilize
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societies yeah israel went from zero from one man to overthrowing the greatest country in the world
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at time egypt in 500 years so power of polygyny oh well geez this this nation the power of puritan
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protestants overthrew the most powerful nation which had ever existed and we were not polygynous
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sir stop sir stop stop i want you to answer to this stop sir stop sir my turn if it were the
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case that uh oh you can overthrow the very powerful government through the power of polygyny okay well
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this is a non-polygynous non-polygynous in the 13 colonies absolutely was a violation of christian
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ethics they overthrew the most powerful military in the history of the world so that's not a good
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argument for your position you're talking about because i'm not following who do they overthrow
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they overthrew england who had them wasn't polygynous no that's my whole point if the
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argument for you is because this country got overthrown by the power of polygyny my counter
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argument is well this country got overthrown and we weren't polygynous so clearly them just being
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polygynous has zero to do with the overthrow no not necessarily zero but zero zero they went from
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70 people entering egypt to 2.4 million people leaving egypt in 430 years monogamy can't duplicate
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they can't you can't multiply at that rate under monogamy yes yeah okay wait just the math
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the math alone tells us that every man had to have on the average of four wives so people will say
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no it was only for the rich men certain kings and yeah who cares dude who cares can we get to how
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it's going to help the west yeah we got one in three we got one in three children being raised
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in fatherless homes right now women that are going to be single and see they're asking the
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same question what do we do with these single moms there's so many they're like i matched with
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this hot woman on the dating apps single mom matched with this hot woman on the dating apps
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herpes matched with this hot woman on the dating apps bipolar they're like what are we gonna do
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with these ladies the year 2030 is somewhere around 50 now you're saying that's better than
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being in a religion okay can we start can we start with the argument here here's the argument that
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here's the argument that you make do you agree with me that uh the protestant church is
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overwhelmingly female 60 female to about 40 male more than 60 probably more than 60 but i'm just
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being as charitable as i can be 60 40 split at least yes okay do you also agree that in modernity
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men are more virtuous than women when you say i don't think women are looking necessarily for
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virtuous men that's not what i asked you i asked you if in modernity men are more virtuous than
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women i don't i don't know okay are they at least as are they are they at least as virtuous as women
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you say virtuous are you talking about sexual care are they at least as virtuous as we're talking
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about sexual i'm talking about the virtues associated with christian ethics the fruits of
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the spirit uh the uh removal of the pursuant of the flesh they're just as virtuous as women are
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yes they're just i don't know i don't know the answer to that question well if they're just as
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virtuous as women are then what you're actually saying there's an entailment is that secular
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ethics is creating virtuous men not christian ethics because if women outnumber men in the
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church and men somehow are still just as virtuous as them then that would mean that secular ethics
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itself is producing virtue not christianity i didn't follow what you said but let me ask you
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this oh my god this is like i need you to answer to this question before we can move to yours i'll
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let you ask ask yours but i need an answer i didn't follow what you asked okay christianity
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produces virtue yes or no yes people who follow christianity produce virtue great okay if women
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outnumber men in the protestant church there should be necessarily more virtuous women than virtuous
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men then right when you say virtuous what i'm saying is sexual pure okay now look doesn't mean
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mean she's like an x304 you can't yeah there's no way for you x304 is not virtuous there's no
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possible way then for you to say that women are more virtuous in modernity than men when it comes
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to promiscuity because they're not care about men that are virgins we don't they don't even care
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about how many sexual partners it's like saying you know the saying that goes a lock that can be
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opened by any key is a worthless lock open any lock is a valuable key is a master key yeah yes
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exactly yeah it's an old saying about women about men yeah this doesn't answer to the question sir
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and i so how do you define virtuous i've already told you it's a following of christian ethics
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the embrace of the fruits of the spirit the rejection of the pursuits of the flesh hang on
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hang on dude i'm trying to explain answer your question that's how you would explain virtue now
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there are actual virtues that we can point to things like for women it would be things like
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chastity it would be things like loyalty these would be actual christian virtues right that
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that would be associated with the feminine and not necessarily the masculine there's no possible
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way you can make an argument in modernity in the united states that women are more virtuous than
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men it's not even possible if you're talking about those traits right if you're talking about
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chastity yes yeah there's no possible way women are more virtuous than men men aren't men aren't
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virtuous especially when you consider chastity out of choice yeah but but just follow along with me
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for a second then we'll get to you they're forced into sex yeah i get it i get it but the point is
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is that women cannot by this entailment be more virtuous than men if that is the case and there's
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20 or in your by your measure 30 more women in protestant churches than men why isn't the
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protestant church producing virtuous women you think that men are choosing to stay abstinent
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they're not are you allergic to answering questions it's like an allergy i just think
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the feminized church is driving men out of the church my humble opinion why okay if there's 30
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more women in the protestant church than men why aren't there more virtuous women than men
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because it's a complete collapse of their patriarchy completely so the protestant church
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has collapsed oh oh yes the partisan church the orthodox church the catholic church no the greek
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orthodox church has a glass the greek orthodox church has 55 to 45 is the only church the only
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church that where men i gotta be honest guys i don't think any church will completely circumvent
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this i just don't see it i mean i really everyone it's interesting because everyone seems i've
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interviewed a lot of religious like very deeply religious people on the show right so i've
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interviewed really um i can't remember his name but there was one guy really deeply um catholic
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right then i have had the orthodox people on the show i've had devout muslims on the show and
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everyone seems to think that their religion is going to like save things or circumvent things
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but I just look at the last hundred years and I haven't seen any of the churches really win
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any battles with the culture and even in their church I see the feminine is feminization
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generally across the board and if I look at the young women of all of their churches
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not really anyways if you look at their life choices age of first marriage number of kids
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and then a lot of times you get the phenomenon of when they do marry young they're going to divorce
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at like first rounds around like late 20s early 30s for the women that got married in high school
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or right after high school right out of college um i hope i would like that to be true i just don't
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see it circumventing or changing anything outnumber the women but you're only one well
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someone said people need to go directly to god okay i just don't see that happening based on
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the trends that i'm seeing inconsistent with your own um
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let me say one thing i think we need to delineate two things about it is it's politically morally
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just or moderately irrepresentable reprehensible that's the first i'm gonna assume for for the
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sake of the debate that polygyny is acceptable under christian ethics i want to know how it's
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going to save the west and as we dive into it one you're saying that christianity in the west
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has already been destroyed so how are you going to have how are you going to have christian anything
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let alone polygyny if the protestant church has been so decimated it can't even produce virtuous
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women how in hell is just adding a sprinkle of polygyny with the with or a sprinkle of degeneracy
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with a sprinkle of jesus going to help this this is my opening statement because i didn't argue i
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said the patriarchy i said and i want to mention that i moved away from i say biblical patriarchy
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and i like patriarchy because you have absolute patriarchy i mean do you have you have limited
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patriarchy andrew i remember you had a debate with your um on one of your channels and you say
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that you travel home now um and you tell your wife listening in three hours i need to we need
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to move she would listen and she would go because there's absolutely absolute patriarchy in your
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household yeah if i was her best friend how would that be helpful well that's terrible for you to
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said that they just asked once like about what if i married her best friend and i was also humping
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her how would that well it would actually let's let's think that who is the best friend is the
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best friend a 40 year old woman with no prospects it would probably be very helpful to her you know
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she doesn't get stds she's having sex with one man um maybe she gets protection provisioning
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like I'm just thinking of the alternatives let's say her best friend
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is single middle-aged or older woman maybe a single mother I see much more benefit
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on the woman's side than the man's on her own someone breaks into her house she's cooked done
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let's say she's in a lot of debt maybe he could help her get her finances in order
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again when they're thinking of polygamy they're thinking oh hot young wives
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no no no no no the hot young ladies are for they're not going to be anybody's wife
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it's maybe i hope you guys get lucky but it's just not the trends don't indicate that i mean
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gen z women rank men seventh on their priority list um and men go to fourth when women hit their
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thirties so maybe by 40 you guys are second or first you know so again if it's an older woman
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a single mother i see way more benefit on the woman's side than the man for being in a polygamous
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relationship oh that in some way be an assistant to my wife i'd like to chime in rob let them
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finish their exchange and then i'll pass the mic over to how if my wife if i was married to my
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wife's best friend i was also plowing her how would that in any way assist with the idea that um
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you know if i told my wife within three hours we needed to move we needed to move uh if if
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she was willing to do that uh how would it be helpful in some way that i was also plowing some
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other chick on top of that makes no sense well if you're moving that's an extra set of hands
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i'm really just trying to think of this practically here what could you do
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let's say you're a guy and you go you get a 40 year old woman let's say 35 you get one kid out
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of her you have kids with two women they're in the same house they're probably both going to
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be working just statistically that's an extra 40k for the household that's you know the the woman
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hypothetically could go i'll think of me personally i have volleyball i like to play
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you know now you got another mom you hand them the kids you can go play volleyball or go to the
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the women can alternate i'm not saying you should do this it's a little bit weird especially like
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coming from a you know a christian nation ish right soft christianity i guess
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but i'm just thinking like from a practical perspective i could see how it would be helpful
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well let me tell you first of all you need to state if it's if you're going to follow absolute
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patriarchy or you're going to follow limited patriarchy and that's part of it if you're if
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you're going to happen this once again there's a responsibility that's raised upon every man
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when he engages in marriage and when he engages in marriage he has to do it responsibly if he doesn't
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if he goes and he sleeps around with woman he's full of baby that is a sin in itself let me show
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you biblical patriarchy woman get down here give me a cup of coffee there's some biblical patriarchy
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for you so back to this when you talk about when you talk about limited patriarchy you don't know
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what the hell you're talking about what does that even mean there's no differentiation here
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a patriarchal system simply means from the father the orthodox church is a patriarchal
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system comes from the father your priests are father your bishop is father everything comes
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from the father there's nothing limited here whatsoever why adding the addition of multiple
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women would make it more patriarchal the challenge is so many men listen to women
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and think about women before men that i i just still see that as being a challenge
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in the church no idea you would essentially have to admit then that adam and eve because eve was
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the only woman who was available to adam that adam was not a true patriarch how is that that's that's
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the dumbest thing i've ever heard wouldn't adam be a true patriarch even though he only had one woman
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maybe he wasn't can we define biblical monogamy because what's your body count andrew is it more
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than one yeah you're not monogamous yeah i've said i've said sure sure what's your point what
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i'm saying is you're trying to uphold something that you don't even i know what rob i know andrew
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is gonna say you can't attack me personally because andrew is coming at this from uh what
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is best for society point of view rob is trying to get into the nitty-gritty and he's trying to
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get practical here he's like saying look it didn't work for you it didn't work for me nobody's really
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monogamous i bet that that's how this is gonna go you haven't even kept well how are you making
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this is such a lazy argument from hypocrisy no it's a two quoque fallacy what you're making
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a monogamous what you're making is a fallacious let's say for a second that i was in complete
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violation of my own principles it wouldn't have any bearing on the argument it's a too quick or
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two quo quay fallacy stop stop bro let me respond there's two of you there's one of me you gotta
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give me the luxury of having some speaking time here so a andrew you talked the whole time
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he keeps telling people to stop talking over him and he stopped like most of the time
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it's a two it's a two-quote fallacy it's yeah he's saying yeah that's what someone said in the
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chat so andrew was saying look this is the ideal but the problem with that is it doesn't matter
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what the ideal is that's just a wish list that's saying rob is saying we have to work with the
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reality now this is what's happening you can't keep monogamy she can't keep nobody's keeping
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monogamy where andrew's saying oh sorry i like andrew i'm gonna mock him a little bit sorry
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but um oh like this is what would be best for society it was better a hundred years ago okay
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but we're not in a hundred years ago right you fallacy uh yeah ideal is not the real world
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you can't use those in arguments it's a fallacious move so what you're doing is you're
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saying you yourself don't adhere to the principles that you value it has no bearing on the argument
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whatsoever if i went out tonight and i got 300 hookers and sniffed cocaine off of their navels
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it would have nothing to do with the argument that we're having right now what it illustrates
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is that it's an impossible standard and this is why i went to a play last night i'm in new york
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city right now and they had it was tammy faye it was about uh ptl ministries and they had jim baker
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and jimmy swagger and this guy marvin gorman and all three of them fell to sexual sin these are
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men that love god and they all fell to sexual sin because it's an impossible standard that was never
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an impossible standard never in the bible it's a true okay let me let me we're gonna go back to
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this okay we're gonna go back to my slideshow here why is it an impossible standard now when
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it wasn't a hundred years ago for men we're gonna think about this so the reason it's an impossible
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standard now okay so these are this is the dating pool i want for the sake of this pretend this old
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woman is an ugly woman but younger for the sake of this so they're all young let's just say
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college okay 18 to 21. this is the only guy that's going to get sexual access here right
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so at 18 this guy is going to get access to all the women now you could say please
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taught men stop having sex with everybody but that's not going to work and you could say please
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ladies stop having sex with men that are completely out of your league good luck with that the same way
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if men had um you know margot robbie in her prime banging on hit on on their door and you said
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please men stop having sex with these super hot women out of your league they would say f off
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right so you're not going to stop this now the challenge is this guy in the middle which is most
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men they're either here or here you know the usually the guy at the top that's the guy that's
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selected for short-term sexual encounters sometimes they want long guy in the middle
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is the guy that only gets sexual access through relationships guy on the on the bottom doesn't
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get any at all okay and usually they can men can like move through all of these
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stages in life the challenge is the guy in the middle you're saying wait till marriage
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but the women will not marry until they're old and so the problem is the guy you're now
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saying to the guy wait till your middle age to have sex wait till you're 40.
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wait till you're 35 30 I'm not saying it's impossible I'm sure there are people that
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have done it but if you take 10 men I think that's and the other problem is then he becomes a target
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because he hasn't really dealt with women he gets to 30 now the ladies are interested in him
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it's like 30 35 when it switches now he's a mark and this lady on the top over here
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she's been banging this guy for a decade and she said oh I need to settle down I need to
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and he doesn't really know what he's getting himself into because he can't tell the difference
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between a good woman or a bad woman because women were very good at hiding things I mean
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you saw Nala did it out in the open but women used to you know have crazy stuff and then go
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become a new woman not really so let me go back
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it's christian mythology so so are you saying that if we have sex outside of marriage that's
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not sinful let me ask you this i'm asking you a question sir if you if you have sex outside of
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marriage is it sinful i believe it is yes okay well then then how is this that's the same
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impossibility of standard i had sex outside of marriage i had sex i had sex outside of marriage
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like many many many people do yes is it sinful of course it is but for you to say but for you to say
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stop dude for you to say for you dude dude stop let me finish for you to say though hey this is
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an impossible standard to adhere to you just make the same argument like say okay well then other
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men have also done it the other way so it makes no sense right just saying just making the the
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affirmative statement's an impossible standard is in and of itself another fallacy it's not in the
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bible it's not in the bible listen what's not in the bible let me just ask is marrying your first
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cousin in the bible the title the title of this podcast what or this debate was can christian
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polygamy save marriage in the west let me just simple question for everyone watching
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if a man knew that he could take more than one would he be more likely to marry a little bit
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faster because the average age that men get married right now is 30.5 years old yeah why
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what do they do in their 20s how come though they fornicate they sow their outcome they have yeah i
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disagree i don't think that men are the ones pushing marriage i think it's women if men were
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the ones waiting to get married then you would see the men marrying young women you know you would
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see 40 year old men with 20 year old women or 25 year old women because men are attracted to youth
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and beauty right but because we see the females age of first marriage going up that tells me that
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it's the women that don't want to get married not the men which age is in their 30s do you know why
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because they they wait for the unicorn they're wrong wrong i'll tell you exactly why it's because
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inside the the western nations the united the united states government is notorious for this
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but so is the australian government so is most of the north american and western european governments
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what they do is they have a mass campaign they started in the 1980s where they do they taught
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women to value education over reproductive years again they're there it's that subtle language
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they taught the women to value education if women cared about education if we cared about getting
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smart in our careers we would be picking careers that make a lot of money or degrees that teach you
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a lot not gender studies not these you know sociology degrees where you're really doing
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nothing right women enjoy the excitement of going to college right it's exciting it's fun i mean
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it's not this brainwashing it's not this forcing it's not this the ladies were not brainwashed
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what happened was you got to see exactly what we wanted to do what women do is they go to college
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right they go to college during their reproductive years and they get married later in life that's
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why you also here's my proof of this you have what's called a reproduction replication crisis
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reproduction crisis you could just call it the birth rate crisis if you want okay whichever way
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you want to you want to sway it we are under the reproduction replacement rate in the united states
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for children remember if you look at abortion rates women under 25 are the most likely ones to
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get abortions so the age of first birth is going up and women are aborting their kids
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what does that tell us we thought that the ladies really wanted to be moms but i mean every data
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point shows they don't they don't want to raise their kids they don't want to stay home with
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their kids they'd rather put their kids in daycare than watch them and they'll abort them they
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this is because women women get married later in life because they spend their 20s in school
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they spend their 20s getting college degrees you can look at this in the stats overwhelmingly men
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go to trade schools women go to college every single anthropological study which has been done
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on this has shown yeah but it's it's deeper than that it's not just college it's the women getting
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the free parties going to part like the bars it's um getting a cushy job you know drinks after we're
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all all of the fun stuff where you're essentially worshipped as a woman with instagram right all
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these people worshipping you all these fun opportunities and demonstrated that in every
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single western nation where women value education over their reproductive years the birth rate goes
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straight down and marriage ends up happening later in life so again what do we do do we force
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is it forced do we say nope you can't you're gonna do exactly what we say to do
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go get married and have kids do we force them i don't know that feels kind of weird to me or
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do you say okay do it deal with the concept the problem now is we don't have consequences for
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any of this stuff because there's always a guy that's going to bail the ladies out or there's
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always um a government program or child supporter alimony that bails us out of the bad decisions
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personally what i what i would prescribe is i would say we got to get rid of the bailout programs
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and then you're going to see things reset a little bit not completely right but
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But, you know, you got to, you know, if you want a divorce, fine.
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I'm not going to, I don't want, I don't think the men should be forced to be with a woman that doesn't want to be with them.
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But you need to pay for yourself the rest of your life.
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If a woman's sleeping with a man, there's about nine times out of ten, she wants to marry that man.
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all how young she was is and if polygyny was accepted one of the most common complaints
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i've gotten from guys is that the women want to have sex with them you know there's one
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i asked a guy friend of mine who like i don't know he's he would say like maybe one out of
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ten women want a relationship maybe uh when they get older that changes but when they're younger
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the women do not want to be in relationships because again they have to by being in a relationship
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you have to turn down free concerts free trips you know all of your friends are going to Miami
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for a girls trip and going on a boat in Miami are you going to say no or maybe it's
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in your town right maybe it's not Miami it's just the the coolest things to do in your town
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all of the single girls are going and it's fun and the young especially young women they're given
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so much we took the ring girl from the Jake Paul fight she was in a relationship at a small town
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or I forgot what southern school she was at she was in a relationship she had a long-term boyfriend
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had she had the boyfriend do you think she would have reached this global fame being a ring girl
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meeting all these celebrities is she going to turn that down for an average man sadly
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unfortunately no not so stigmatized by people like you and legally mandated by the government
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there would not be any women not getting they would get married where's your proof where's
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you talk i let you talk can you give me proofs though to demonstrate this let you talk and now
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you're talking over me brother yeah he does do that he does that a lot just want the proofs with
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what you're saying well look if it's it's common sense that if look if poligiany was accepted
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and you didn't marry your your high school sweetheart you knew the 35 year old down the
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street with two wives already has been looking at her and he's going to marry her right now it's a
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buyer's market for men we don't need to marry that's why the marriage rate is in the toilet
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it's not why because we don't need to marry we can get all the benefits of marriage without doing it
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so women are sitting on the market like these houses that can't sell trying to find a buyer
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no they want to get married they want to have babies but no there's no evidence that suggests
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that women want to do either of those things are stepping up to marry them because of this horse
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shit but this is a lot of the christian guys get fooled by this because the women will say that but
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i've never met a woman that says she wants to be married i say okay how many dates are you going
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on a week you're going on two dates a week three dates a week are you dating aggressively to get
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to where you want to go i'm not saying you gotta sleep with them all but you do gotta go download
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hinge are you okay you don't want to meet them online are you going to a bar twice a week okay
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going to different churches your church hasn't worked going to a different church like what are
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you doing there's never not anything okay guys um i do have to get going but i may finish this
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on monday if if you guys want me to keep reacting to this let me know um i might continue might not
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let me know what you guys want i'm gonna read the rest of the comments um which if you guys do want
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usually i read pretty much all the comments um dane says lgbt oh and it is one ten dollar a month
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payment or 80 bucks a year and you get to put all the comments you want in the chat so lgbtq is an
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outright sin no question polygamy is not covered as a sin biblically but it sets up a format that
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allows actual sin to thrive thrive mitchell fake they aren't christian dane here's a smile for you
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pearl polygamy is like a woman going to the club that isn't a sin but it sets her up to sin
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mitchell if you're willing to go to the club then you're faking it paul says to turn the one
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claiming to be a christian um out of the church if he does such things well okay guys let me know
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