Pearl - Is The Answer To This Failed Society Christian Polygamy？｜ Pearl Daily

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, guys.

00:00:13.000 Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily.

00:00:15.480 Today, we're doing an early Friday show and we're going to be reacting to a debate on

00:00:19.840 polygamy.

00:00:20.360 This was interesting to me because half of the people in this debate are actually pushing

00:00:27.760 a Christian form of polygamy. And this was hosted on my friend Glenn Lawrence's channel

00:00:32.740 with also Andrew Wilson on the debate. So let's get started.

00:00:41.960 I got to turn off 2X, guys. Also, if you want to support the show, go to the audacitynetwork.com

00:00:49.960 and I will read your comments in the live chat.

00:00:54.060 clearly in the practice of religion itself but in the greater framework of biblical patriarchy

00:00:59.100 the god-ordained structure of relationship that safeguards marriages families and ultimately

00:01:04.300 society biblical patriarchy founded on male headship provisions and protections stand as

00:01:10.380 a single most important aspect of safe and flourishing marriages in the west it provides

00:01:15.180 the structure within which celibacy monogamy and religion can coexist as divinely ordained practices

00:01:22.060 reinforcing stability moral responsibility and justice in this debate i will take the position

00:01:28.540 or my robin i will take the position that religion is morally acceptable according to the bible and

00:01:33.660 does not constitute sin far from being contradictory to biblical values it complements and reinforces

00:01:40.460 the principles of biblical patriarchy alongside celibacy and monogamy together these practices

00:01:47.180 creates a flexible and enduring system capable of addressing the crisis in of marriage and families

00:01:53.980 in the west at its heart biblical patriarchy calls men to leave their families as christ

00:02:00.300 leads the ecclesia or congregation according to ephesians 5 with fact official love unwavering

00:02:06.860 common commitment and moral responsibility it assigns complementary roles to men and women

00:02:12.460 ensuring that the family structure is built on mutual respect and care in a time when western

00:02:18.220 marriage is fractured by instability gender confusion and economic pressure biblical

00:02:24.140 patriarchy restores order and purpose celibacy provides an opportunity for men to focus entirely 0.97

00:02:30.060 on spiritual leadership community service and advancing the kingdom of god as exemplified by

00:02:35.180 apostle paul now this reinforces i want to say when i first thought about polygamy right

00:02:40.780 Right. Obviously coming from the West, it's very tab. It's very taboo. Nobody really it's kind of

00:02:46.420 weird. Right. And it's it's really thought of as a Muslim thing. But the more I've lived life,

00:02:53.480 I've realized that we're already in polygamy. Most people don't know it yet. If you take the

00:02:58.340 rate that people cheat within married relationships, you know, up to 50 percent someday, some say as

00:03:06.920 little as 25%, that's partially polygamy. If the woman's married to one guy, cheating with 1.00

00:03:13.200 the personal trainer. On top of that, monogamy used to be one person for life. So if you have

00:03:19.240 a first wife and a second wife, okay, I guess maybe it's a little different because the guy's

00:03:24.800 not dating them or married to them at the same time. But the way they would see it in the East

00:03:32.580 is that we do essentially the same thing we just kind of do it at different periods in our life

00:03:39.940 patriarchal principles that true leadership flows from submission to god monogamy allows

00:03:45.620 men to exercise focuses leadership and care for a single family deepening the intimacy and trust

00:03:51.860 it mirrors christ's covenantal love for his ecclesia um as stated in ephesians earlier

00:03:58.580 religion here on its turn magnifies male responsibility by requiring greater leadership

00:04:04.340 provisions and fairness it underscores the patriarch's role as a just and sacrificial

00:04:09.460 leader and seen in Deuteronomy 21 regulated by Exodus 21 accidentally established by Deuteronomy

00:04:16.740 25 and understood in terms of Leviticus 20 read together with Deuteronomy 22. Now biblical

00:04:23.060 patriarchy not only reinforces these practices but also ensures that they work together to 0.94

00:04:28.340 benefit men women children and society at large now let me now if we if we look at the at the

00:04:36.660 bible is clear that belligerent is not sinful instead it is presented as a permissible marital

00:04:41.860 arrangement within god's covenant i know his mic is really bad framework throughout the

00:04:47.860 old testament we see this picture of such as abraham jacob david and in the new testament

00:04:53.460 it may be argued that monogamy is elevated as an ideal particularly in the leadership context but

00:04:59.220 polygyny is never condemned in fact paul is clear that celibacy is an idea jesus christ teaches on

00:05:06.580 marriage in matthew 2019 as that emphasizes the sanctity of marriage and condemns setting aside

00:05:12.900 but does not address religion paul instructs in 1 timothy 3 2 that church leaders should be husband

00:05:18.820 of one wife could be argued as qualification for leadership but not a universal prohibition

00:05:24.980 of polygyny although this position is highly contentious amongst greek scholars however the

00:05:29.620 silence of the new testament on condemning polygyny suggests that all that there are no

00:05:34.500 condemned condemnation of religion suggests that it remains a moral neutral under the covenant

00:05:39.700 now critics now critics for the paleoconservative and greek orthodoxy often reject

00:05:45.780 religionally based on cultural norms rather than the legal evidence so i was thinking of this as

00:05:50.500 a thought experiment what's worse one man with two wives or a man that has an ex-girlfriend

00:05:59.060 he dated for three years broke up with then marries the new wife and i was thinking about

00:06:05.060 this as a thought experiment okay i'm not by the way this is not a me co-signing it or pushing it

00:06:13.460 i was just thinking about it in the second way the woman if if they had a child 1.00

00:06:20.820 or even just in general is taken care of for life where you know in the first one you're

00:06:27.620 kind of out of luck i'm not saying that the ladies deserve lifelong being taken care of 1.00

00:06:34.100 but i was thinking about it as a thought experiment and anyways i'm going to continue

00:06:40.740 Paleo-conservatives argue for monogamy as a stabilizing force in society, but their position is rooted in Western ideals, not in the breadth of Biblical teaching.

00:06:50.740 Greek Orthodoxy, shaped by Greco-Roman culture influence, idealizes monogamy while ignoring the permissibility of polygyny under the old government.

00:07:00.740 Both perspectives fail to reconcile their claims with the clear Biblical president.

00:07:07.540 and on closure celibacy has said ideal celibacy is the ideal reinforcement for foundation of

00:07:14.100 biblical patriarchy monogamy serves as a powerful expression of biblical patriarchy by mirroring the

00:07:19.540 covenantal love between christ and the kisser religion while not coming banded but may be

00:07:25.300 incidentally established as a biblical permissible practice that magnifies male responsibility and

00:07:31.300 care and closure as western society faces a crisis in marriage biblical patriarchy provides

00:07:37.940 the solution it will elevate celibacy as the highest ideal monogamy as a common standard and

00:07:43.860 polygyny as a permissible and practical alternative together these practices reinforces the principles

00:07:49.940 of leadership provision and justice that protects families and builds strong communities according

00:07:55.380 to the provisions of the scripture religiony when practiced within the framework of biblical

00:08:00.340 patriarchy is not only morally acceptable, but also reflects God's wisdom in accommodating 0.79

00:08:05.600 diverse needs across culture. When you think about it, this argument, this whole debate is

00:08:10.460 what do we do with all of these women? You know, they say, okay, maybe we could go back to forcing 1.00

00:08:17.700 them to get married. Arranged. You're forced. Yep. No choice. You want your family's inheritance?

00:08:23.820 a range but then the men get together and they say well what if she doesn't like do we really

00:08:30.720 want to force them to sleep with someone they don't like and if they don't want to do it should 0.68

00:08:36.360 we really impose that on them so they can't all right scrap that but when we let them do whatever

00:08:42.040 they want they keep sleeping with the same guys maybe we just legalize that I mean 0.99

00:08:47.640 what I mean these are these are what society's wrestling with do we force

00:08:53.820 Or do we let the ladies choose whoever they want and we all date the same men? 1.00

00:09:05.000 I'm not saying one's better or worse, right?

00:09:07.700 My opinion changes nothing.

00:09:09.300 The Muslims are going to do their thing. 1.00

00:09:11.500 We're basically in soft polygamy now.

00:09:14.520 Under 30 women, you know, date all the same guys. 0.94

00:09:17.780 Then over 30.

00:09:19.060 And that age is rising.

00:09:20.240 You know, in Ireland, it's around 35 years old women get married. 0.77

00:09:23.460 so it's going to keep going up so like the ladies are the ones that want the polygamy more than the 1.00

00:09:29.140 men and that's the interesting thing polygamy is seen as something that the men want no no no no 0.70

00:09:35.300 if tomorrow they said ladies we're gonna make being a side chick a crime and cheating a crime 1.00

00:09:41.780 right we're gonna make it illegal tomorrow you will be stoned to death if you cheat on your wife 1.00

00:09:47.300 and you will also be stoned to death if you cheat with a married man do you know who do you know 0.75

00:09:51.940 would protest first the ladies i mean we love the show scandal right and the show scandal is what 1.00

00:09:59.380 about the president's side why do women love monica lewinski i i don't i don't make the rules 1.00

00:10:08.180 right but i can describe what's going on here and time by grounding an understanding of marriage in

00:10:15.620 in scripture rather than cultural assumption okay i'm sorry this guy's mic is so bad i'm gonna skip

00:10:20.740 over this a little bit the sanctity of marriage protect the vulnerable and create society that

00:10:25.140 protects god's next guy's going okay never mind next guy's about to go thank you

00:10:31.300 all right andrew okay yeah this argument is blown out in two seconds the easiest way to do it is

00:10:44.560 just to point out that um under this framework that he just outlined you could marry your first

00:10:50.280 cousin so and i doubt that he would advocate that there's nothing biblically that would say that you

00:10:55.560 couldn't there's nothing biblically that said now this whole debate because i did see a bit of it

00:11:04.280 earlier andrew is trying to equate polygamy to marrying your first cousin now andrew is a very

00:11:13.720 good debater i i really think he could argue any point but i'm just trying to think through

00:11:19.320 some of these things do i think that marrying your cousin is the same thing as polygamy well

00:11:27.800 i guess i i have seen some of those countries i know in india they definitely marry their 0.78

00:11:34.200 cousins there but i don't i don't know if india's like i'd have to look i don't think they are

00:11:39.800 but that's the only country i know that they really marry their cousins like that 1.00

00:11:45.800 i'm sure there's more you could let me know in the comments

00:11:49.320 um I just know I used to get my nails done by this woman in um when I was in London and

00:11:58.320 casually this lady's doing my nails and I was asking her about her life and whatever 0.99

00:12:03.000 and she just casually tells me she married her cousin and I'm thinking like are your kids all

00:12:08.980 right do they I guess they were fine I don't know it was normal there I mean it happened in fact

00:12:15.780 right but you would oh sorry but i wanted to say i don't i think he's trying to equate them to be

00:12:22.480 the same thing or i don't know why he keeps bringing this up to me this just isn't that

00:12:27.840 relevant and advocate for that and anyway the debate's not about that anyway i'd like to take

00:12:33.900 a second to point out that the debate isn't over if polygyny is against christian ethics or not

00:12:38.620 though i'm sure at some point we'll touch on that uh for the sake of the argument of the debate

00:12:43.760 uh of can it save the west is what i'm arguing against the answer is clearly and most certainly

00:12:50.800 no let us start with a demonstration pull up my screen please because when i hear can it

00:12:56.080 save the west my first question is what what does save the west look like i mean right now

00:13:04.160 i don't know guys the power's on i have my dishwasher my roomba like what is saving the

00:13:14.240 west is it getting families back together maybe that's what they mean well

00:13:26.880 yeah i don't think it would do much we just love leaving relationships too much

00:13:30.960 i don't know we'll see that i have a share screen ready

00:13:37.680 oh look at that oh that's a polygamy map pull that back up please uh so here on our nice 0.93

00:13:45.040 polygamy map uh these are the countries where polygamy is allowed and some now i don't think

00:13:50.880 this matters where it's allowed where it's not allowed because again we're in soft polygamy in

00:13:58.160 in the United. Whether you like it or not, the dating app data is clear. It is so clear.

00:14:04.460 We are in soft polygamy. People are sharing partners. So I don't know if the laws really

00:14:13.580 change anything. When marriage is seven years, you could say, okay, for that seven years,

00:14:19.120 they were monogamous, but what about the rest of their life? Do you just get a get-out-of-jail-free

00:14:23.140 card? Because you did monogamy for a little while, then went back to polygamy, then back to

00:14:29.500 monogamy. Is it really monogamy if you're in it for eight years? I don't know. But the challenge

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00:16:36.700 note that the red where it's um illegal are the host countries with the most immigrants from the

00:16:44.460 countries in green where it's legal. The United Nations actually cites polygamy as a primary

00:16:49.880 cause for the instability for various reasons, which we can get into, and the UN itself doesn't

00:16:54.100 even recommend polygyny as a cultural attitude to be outsourced, which is amazing because they

00:16:58.900 basically do it for almost every other attitude. There are multitudes of anthropological studies

00:17:04.020 backing up this point. So many, in fact, it was actually overwhelming. Let's go over some of the

00:17:08.880 Quick bullet points. Polygyny destabilizes societies. According to these anthropological

00:17:15.320 studies, here's how they do it. Less civil liberties, highest rates of despotism, higher

00:17:19.200 rates of warfare, higher rates of intergroup violence, more government corruption, and less

00:17:24.120 political security, national security. These associations remain across all countries with

00:17:30.280 polygyny regardless of religion, culture, or ethnicity, meaning that just because you're a

00:17:34.700 christian polygynous it doesn't seem to help this whatsoever this is because it creates a standing

00:17:39.820 pool of aggrieved young men with no prospects whatsoever for reproductive access these are

00:17:44.320 usually poor young men okay so he's talking about the challenge that does come with polygamy that

00:17:50.000 we're seeing now okay let me i decided i was going to use the whiteboard but um i would decided to

00:17:57.060 make a chart slideshow let's show this chart so this is the dating pool right now now

00:18:03.940 all I did was google hot people average people ugly people okay so we got the hot woman here 1.00

00:18:10.980 now if we go back to monogamy it would be the hot woman with the hot guy it would make sense you 1.00

00:18:17.560 know this guy would be with the average girl and the ugly guy would take the old woman the whore 1.00

00:18:23.920 or whatever I feel like this guy wouldn't be so bad if he just cleared the acne got to whatever 0.97

00:18:30.540 who cares um now what we have now is all three of these ladies are going towards the hawkeye you 1.00

00:18:41.100 know before the guy in the middle might have been the hottest guy in the town this woman here well 1.00

00:18:47.900 would have been illegal for them to be together but you know for the sake of it this woman over 1.00

00:18:53.660 here she wouldn't know this guy existed she doesn't even know what she's missing so this

00:18:59.660 guy asks her to marry her and she doesn't think about the dm she got from chad over here she

00:19:06.860 doesn't think about that she doesn't think oh well what if that's a better option now let's

00:19:11.020 let's reverse it right let's say all of these men were being hit on by women like this

00:19:17.420 when this woman it's not like that but let's switch the roles right let's say all these guys 1.00

00:19:23.580 had girlfriends that were this hot or women interested in them that were this hot

00:19:28.380 i mean when this average woman over here would come up to them and say hey 1.00

00:19:35.660 marry me have kids with me they would say well i have a better option now obviously the roles

00:19:44.300 are reversed right so now the question is what to do what do we do with these two ladies right 1.00

00:19:49.260 we got the old woman over here do we mandate and say you average woman go with that average man 1.00

00:19:55.500 and she says no ugh ugh but he he gives me the ick well why does he give you the ick well he

00:20:04.780 reasons the ick is real do we say you have to you know and there's just part of me i know there's a

00:20:11.900 whole um western culture through god's eyes great channel love them they they think that we should

00:20:18.700 just force arranged marriage or no deal but something about me I just I mean I just for me

00:20:29.180 personally I don't know if I'd want to be with someone that doesn't want to be with me and the

00:20:33.880 other challenge is you know it's not like social media is going anywhere so she's still going to

00:20:38.560 be seeing Chad and feeling like this guy isn't enough now the reason I say this that we don't

00:20:45.940 force the arranged marriage is because this guy is going to have such a miserable life being with

00:20:51.820 this woman that doesn't want to be with him I mean he it's better he's by himself that's why you know 0.96

00:20:57.880 the MGTOW guys they make perfect sense they say this is a headache right this is drama a headache

00:21:03.100 and then my second question the reason I think polygamy is actually nicer to women let's say

00:21:08.160 we legalize Chad to have three wives and heck maybe he gets a second one maybe this guy gets 1.00

00:21:14.560 three second guy gets two i mean honestly whoever takes this old lady over here they're kind of

00:21:20.640 doing her a favor right i mean the bottom ladies on the totem pole the kids remember half of the 1.00

00:21:28.000 women are going to be single and childless we don't know what to do especially the 50 60 70 1.00

00:21:33.280 year old women what do we do with the like what if we start all living to 90 100 years old

00:21:38.480 there's going to be so many of these ladies going around that you know when they were this age they 1.00

00:21:46.100 said oh ugly oh ugly and now they're old and these guys are like oh we don't want you you know

00:21:54.860 I mean if you look at take Donald Trump and his ex-wives you know the last the first one before

00:22:00.520 she passed away I mean she wasn't that good looking really any woman a man that took her 1.00

00:22:09.920 was really doing her more of a favor than him so these are the questions what to do with these

00:22:17.560 ladies do we force them do we at 18 20 say you must go with that guy regardless of how much they 1.00

00:22:24.880 don't want to? Or do we just keep letting the sexes go apart until the ladies start to feel 1.00

00:22:33.680 the consequences of our decisions, right? So, you know, let's say we take the sexes and just say, 0.61

00:22:39.660 okay, ladies, you want to be by yourself? Go. Be alone. Well, the challenge is, so when the woman 1.00

00:22:46.860 looks like this, she's given all these free jobs, free attention, whatever. But now she looks like 1.00

00:22:52.580 this and she realizes she has to work for 40 more years now do you think brad over here is gonna take

00:23:01.220 this woman to be a housewife she says no no no i'm ready i'm ready to be a housewife he'll say yeah 0.91

00:23:09.620 good luck now hypothetically you could do polygamy

00:23:16.180 yeah i'm gonna keep going with the debate we're gonna come back we're gonna come back

00:23:22.580 about half the boys and polygamous cultures need to be ejected from their community once they reach 1.00

00:23:28.940 puberty to sustain this imbalance and these are called lost boys major problem with political

00:23:34.760 instability in these countries uh if most families can't get by by the way on one income with only

00:23:41.640 one wife and 1.6 kids how many men can afford multiple wives and many children well the answer 0.98

00:23:47.180 is almost none yeah okay so then he makes the argument that the men can't afford the wives and

00:23:53.900 i actually thought this was a moot point and i'll tell you why i'm going back to my polygamy slide

00:24:00.140 now a lot of people will say how will the men afford all of these wives well remember we're in

00:24:07.660 2024 men have a soft soft man era now the men can actually you know they said you know the men got

00:24:18.540 together and they said ladies they said to this hot woman over here be a mother go go have my 1.00

00:24:24.620 children and she said nah nah i'd rather not i want to go do other things and so you know

00:24:33.020 know they don't really want to put a gun to the young women's head and make them they don't want 0.99

00:24:38.660 to do it but this lady over here can go make forty thousand dollars a year and have one kid 1.00

00:24:48.040 throw that kid in public school she could still hold a job woman number two over here he could 1.00

00:24:55.160 get her pregnant right that's wife number two i mean again most kids are in public school throw 0.95

00:25:01.720 woman i'm not saying they should be but i'm saying it's 2024 i'm trying to work with what we got here

00:25:07.000 so you know now this woman here has a kid she brings in 40 000 a year 1.00

00:25:18.680 that's 80k now let's say chad over here makes 50 right i think average guys make 50.

00:25:24.440 now now we're working with now i understand and maybe wife number three she's too old she's 1.00

00:25:32.160 infertile i mean let's make her a little hotter than this let's pretend she's a little like she's 1.00

00:25:36.680 40 and you know goes to she looks like a uh jayla that's too attractive uglier version of jaylo at 1.00

00:25:45.240 40 right but she can't have kids anymore but she could still contribute you know we have these

00:25:51.680 ladies, they can't have kids anymore, but they can bring in 40K, give it to the guy 1.00

00:25:58.880 or contribute to rent, right? I don't know if the money argument is going to stand

00:26:07.000 because there's too many jobs available to the ladies. You could be a housewife 1.00

00:26:12.400 with a stay-at-home job. I mean, we're finding out that the government employees the last,

00:26:19.360 you know, decade, haven't been going to work or really working. I mean, everyone kind of knew

00:26:24.920 that, right? So, I mean, he could send Shirley over here to go make $40,000 a year for the government 0.98

00:26:32.060 and work from home and do nothing. I mean, there's all these jobs that are given to us

00:26:38.720 for practically doing nothing. Wouldn't it kind of make sense for the woman to go get the easy 1.00

00:26:46.520 money rather than you know making brad or maybe so maybe this guy in the middle he hits 45 and

00:26:54.280 these ladies said no to him you know at 25 but now he's 45 he got a cool dirt bike a motorcycle

00:27:01.480 you know now we love the motorcycles or maybe he got i don't know maybe he got a dog he got something

00:27:07.400 that just brought the ladies back in got a little you know silver fought whatever so now the ladies 0.99

00:27:13.880 are back they said brad please our chat we know this is brad brad please take us right so

00:27:23.720 and maybe brad doesn't want kids he says you know i've seen one too many of my friends get

00:27:28.120 absolutely ruined over having children no kids but i do want some company ladies 1.00

00:27:35.480 i mean i don't i don't see you know everyone says we got to go back to traditionalism

00:27:40.360 do the ladies do we really deserve traditionalism i mean what's in it for the men now they get 1.5

00:27:47.000 kids maybe if you get like six or seven you get one

00:27:55.000 i mean daycare is state funded in some states i'm not saying that's best for the kids right but

00:28:02.680 i'm just trying to be pragmatic here okay i'm gonna keep going so i don't know the money

00:28:08.200 argument to me there's too many women that don't want to have kids where they could be a second 1.00

00:28:13.640 third wife hypothetically and just not have children i mean that's kind of what we're doing

00:28:19.560 in the soft polygamy era anyway children from polygamous families report higher rates of

00:28:25.160 aggression behavioral problems likely to be less competitive confusion with parental roles

00:28:30.920 wives end up with more mental health problems for unequal treatment now he's saying the wives are

00:28:36.040 gonna end up with mental health problems well i mean one in four women are on ssris in the united

00:28:43.320 states we have mental health problems anyway i don't know if that's polyg i mean

00:28:51.320 i don't know if we can attribute that to polygamy in itself social media maybe 0.69

00:28:57.240 but you know when one in four of the ladies have it i just can't i can't say that that 0.91

00:29:06.040 yeah I can't say that's gonna be it favoritism unhealthy competition lack of trust lack of

00:29:12.160 marital satisfaction also can I just again okay so then I gotta think through this right I gotta

00:29:19.740 think through the marital satisfaction is bad for the polygamous places well 1.00

00:29:26.440 we tried christian monogamy and the only way the way you see how people the way you see what people

00:29:36.620 truly want is when you give them the freedom to do anything and look at what decisions we made

00:29:42.740 we have this idea that women were brainwashed by feminism i don't think anybody's brainwashed i

00:29:48.220 think us ladies we know exactly what we're picking and i think what we found out is one

00:29:54.040 women are not as monogamous as we thought and they weren't as happy in their marriages as we thought

00:30:00.360 because when we got the freedom to do anything they left I know that's not like a happy conclusion

00:30:08.480 but it's kind of like okay imagine you think your wife is or your husband let's flip it you think

00:30:15.620 your husband is amazing and he's loyal forever but then he gets really rich and he starts banging

00:30:21.720 hot 22 year olds he probably always wanted to do that but now he gets the choice it's the same thing

00:30:28.360 with the ladies you know once we got the choice we got the job we got the birth control 1.00

00:30:35.480 too many of them picked it for me to think ah you know that they were the marital satisfaction

00:30:45.320 i mean to be fair i just think us and as a gender we're just not all but we're just not

00:30:50.840 really satisfied with anything ever because we're the most privileged class of people in all of

00:30:56.760 history probably we still complain so for like i wouldn't use marital satisfaction what we say

00:31:03.880 is a metric at all because i just think we're never satisfied and out that all these countries

00:31:10.680 have the lowest gdp on planet earth sub-sahara africa afghanistan polynesia papa new guinea i

00:31:17.080 can tell you about a little island off the coast of that if you'd like and southeast asia lowest pdp

00:31:22.600 there is highest polygyny uh rate i could see that you know the the guys they think do i need

00:31:29.560 to be rich and make a bunch of money for a wife and kids and i don't think that's gonna happen

00:31:39.000 for me not anytime soon why do it but then we go back to the question do we force the ladies or 1.00

00:31:44.920 give them free will force free will force free will pick your poison it's called the polygamy belt 1.00

00:31:51.400 west and central africa middle east southeast asia in kenya for instance highly christian by the way

00:31:57.880 43 percent of households with polyamorous men are poor compared to 27 percent of the monogamous

00:32:05.800 household much richer well-established link between polygamy poverty warfare underdeveloped nations

00:32:12.120 and warlords? Overwhelming. It's not even close. There's no way you could ever make a case that

00:32:20.040 polygyny or polygamy is going to save the West. It can't save the countries that it's in right 0.96

00:32:26.680 this second. But to address Mr. Kowalski's arguments for polygamy, they are surface level

00:32:32.160 and they're totally ridiculous. They don't actually even make sense. He argues there aren't 0.98

00:32:35.800 enough virtuous women to go around while also arguing Protestant churches have more women than 1.00

00:32:39.640 men in them, which is true. There are many easily pointed out issues here. One, if more women than 1.00

00:32:46.160 men are in Protestant churches, yet there are less virtuous women than men, it would entail that 0.99

00:32:50.600 Protestant churches aren't producing virtuous women, but secular ethics is producing virtuous 1.00

00:32:56.380 men. That is really fucking stupid, by the way. That is really stupid. Two, if it were the case, 1.00

00:33:04.140 as he argues, polygamy is real and virtuous women are polygamous, and that's fine as that's how they 1.00

00:33:09.260 were designed rather than a passion to overcome then all it would mean is that the already small

00:33:15.580 pool of virtuous women would marry the same virtuous man creating an even smaller pool of 1.00

00:33:20.920 virtuous women that are that already happens that's what i say we're already in poly polygamy 1.00

00:33:26.680 right okay so when i was i was in um a protestant church for like i don't know two three years i

00:33:34.140 went i went i was kind of nosy i wanted to see what was going on you don't think that the guy

00:33:39.140 in the i mean in the churches it's like the guys in the band you know the guys on the guitar the

00:33:45.620 ladies you know we love we love the musical instruments or you know the one you know it 0.99

00:33:52.180 was interesting because i was in this church right and this church was probably 80 to 90

00:33:57.300 female they did like a dating thing in the church and where they were trying to set people up 1.00

00:34:02.820 whatever and even though it was 80 to 90 female the women would get set up with a guy and they 1.00

00:34:09.060 would still reject him they're like we want a christian man and then they would say here you

00:34:15.700 go and they're like not that one and then the ladies would get together um and they would say 1.00

00:34:22.420 oh my gosh there's one woman she was like a 30 year old virgin i mean alleged who knows right 1.00

00:34:27.300 but she claimed and it it was crazy because she was really pretty but they would they would say 1.00

00:34:34.420 what about this guy is he good and then she would say well i just think i have she would think that

00:34:42.260 her faith was better than his faith and i would just keep thinking what more does this guy got

00:34:47.780 he's at church he volunteers he's in the band like uh he reads his bible like what are you doing that 0.98

00:34:56.020 makes you so i i mean and then it would be like well he tried he tried to have sex with me and 0.97

00:35:03.380 like yeah well he's a guy that's what they're gonna do you know i'm like i mean what do you

00:35:10.180 want him to be a saint you're old like you're not you know and so i would still see the same thing

00:35:17.620 even when it was all women pretty much so i'm gonna read comments if you guys have comments

00:35:23.380 you go to the audacitynetwork.com and then i do read your comments so um andrew on the ball as

00:35:29.460 usual alexander said she's reviewing this debate i thought saw the thumbnail for it yesterday

00:35:35.060 pearl do you think if the collective of men learn to improve their looks would they qualify for

00:35:40.740 women's standards or do you think that women would narrow their standards even further 1.00

00:35:46.580 um i i do think that men going to the gym is because we already have money as as women you

00:35:55.380 know we can either get it through sugar dating um through men just throwing their resources at 1.00

00:36:00.580 women for being hot i mean you guys see this like the ladies don't even have to put out anymore men

00:36:06.660 will just throw it at them we also get these jobs that pay a lot like i had a roommate in college

00:36:13.380 she made like 60k a year right out of school human resources you know jobs like that so we have the 1.00

00:36:21.460 security now we don't the money aspect you can't really you know pay for women like you used to 1.00

00:36:29.220 you know we used to say ah i need i need money we're gonna we're gonna marry that guy that's

00:36:36.100 all that's off the table so i i think that improves men's you know chances the best but

00:36:42.740 unfortunately we're just never happy sadly enough um feminism means men can't be fathers the 1.00

00:36:48.180 government needs to stop simping to women then they need husbands for men three he argues that 0.96

00:36:55.300 the skanks of society would basically be taken care of through polygamy uh in this case polygyny 1.00

00:37:00.420 because of course men wouldn't mind marrying them if they already had a virtuous woman 0.98

00:37:04.580 this also makes no sense if you think about it for one second because if you had a virtuous woman 1.00

00:37:08.980 why the hell would you want to marry a skank to begin with makes no sense i i assume because 1.00

00:37:13.940 she gives better head i don't really understand why else you'd want to do it uh you know i've 0.98

00:37:21.540 seen men do crazy things because a woman is good i mean you wonder how these women that have been

00:37:28.660 through everybody still end up getting married at the end of it could could could a man hypothetically 0.98

00:37:36.500 marry a woman because she gives really good blow jobs could i see that happening 1.00

00:37:40.580 i gotta be honest i really could i wouldn't i wouldn't put it past them you know what i mean 0.99

00:37:46.700 don't even understand the argument it's silly on its face it just seems like it's a movement

00:37:51.360 towards the pleasure of the flesh it also has another problem as well which is that it would

00:37:55.660 basically be promoting promiscuity if it did work by adding an additional societal safeguard to 0.99

00:38:00.400 promiscuous women essentially assuring them a husband as long as she acted as a fuck puppet 1.00

00:38:04.680 for him which isn't very different from how secular women already act outside of christian ethics 0.99

00:38:09.220 in fact there's so many problems with the arguments that he made that i can barely

00:38:14.660 scratch the surface but i think that this is good for right now and we can just move right

00:38:19.660 into the debate uh i just want to let both of you guys know right now um i went in depth into

00:38:25.860 all of your positions and this debate is not going to go well for either of you uh ready when you are

00:38:31.160 thank you well actually i'd like to address a few things since he started at this point you guys

00:38:38.220 we're gonna go ahead and let it open and let you guys go back and forth all right okay so

00:38:45.820 okay so um andrew said that you know talking about marrying first cousins

00:38:50.380 maybe we saw that once or twice in the old testament you know people say well uh you can

00:38:56.380 murder people or no that was something that mike winger said but we see this repeatedly practiced

00:39:01.340 by our spiritual offspring over and over never a word of condemnation never a word of punishment

00:39:06.700 not one single time in thousands of years now people will say oh you know the one flesh argument

00:39:12.500 means monogamy well why didn't the israelites believe that for thousands of years i'm not here

00:39:17.120 to argue about the biblical basis for polygyny that's not the topic of the debate the topic of

00:39:22.820 the debate is centered around whether or not it can save the west i'd like to dive in i really

00:39:27.180 wish they clarified what does saving the west mean i think this is a pretty good time in history to

00:39:33.840 alive i don't know i i saw the maybe would you guys rather be fighting in a war right now i don't

00:39:43.360 know maybe you guys would find it exciting your arguments here you said it would destabilize

00:39:47.600 societies yeah israel went from zero from one man to overthrowing the greatest country in the world 1.00

00:39:53.920 at time egypt in 500 years so power of polygyny oh well geez this this nation the power of puritan

00:40:02.240 protestants overthrew the most powerful nation which had ever existed and we were not polygynous 0.76

00:40:06.720 sir stop sir stop stop i want you to answer to this stop sir stop sir my turn if it were the

00:40:12.960 case that uh oh you can overthrow the very powerful government through the power of polygyny okay well

00:40:19.760 this is a non-polygynous non-polygynous in the 13 colonies absolutely was a violation of christian

00:40:25.440 ethics they overthrew the most powerful military in the history of the world so that's not a good

00:40:30.160 argument for your position you're talking about because i'm not following who do they overthrow

00:40:34.000 they overthrew england who had them wasn't polygynous no that's my whole point if the

00:40:39.040 argument for you is because this country got overthrown by the power of polygyny my counter

00:40:44.720 argument is well this country got overthrown and we weren't polygynous so clearly them just being 0.97

00:40:50.240 polygynous has zero to do with the overthrow no not necessarily zero but zero zero they went from

00:40:56.640 70 people entering egypt to 2.4 million people leaving egypt in 430 years monogamy can't duplicate

00:41:03.840 they can't you can't multiply at that rate under monogamy yes yeah okay wait just the math

00:41:11.360 the math alone tells us that every man had to have on the average of four wives so people will say

00:41:16.400 no it was only for the rich men certain kings and yeah who cares dude who cares can we get to how

00:41:21.200 it's going to help the west yeah we got one in three we got one in three children being raised

00:41:25.520 in fatherless homes right now women that are going to be single and see they're asking the

00:41:30.720 same question what do we do with these single moms there's so many they're like i matched with 1.00

00:41:35.680 this hot woman on the dating apps single mom matched with this hot woman on the dating apps 1.00

00:41:41.840 herpes matched with this hot woman on the dating apps bipolar they're like what are we gonna do

00:41:49.120 with these ladies the year 2030 is somewhere around 50 now you're saying that's better than

00:41:54.560 being in a religion okay can we start can we start with the argument here here's the argument that

00:42:00.000 here's the argument that you make do you agree with me that uh the protestant church is

00:42:04.560 overwhelmingly female 60 female to about 40 male more than 60 probably more than 60 but i'm just

00:42:11.120 being as charitable as i can be 60 40 split at least yes okay do you also agree that in modernity

00:42:16.560 men are more virtuous than women when you say i don't think women are looking necessarily for 0.99

00:42:21.600 virtuous men that's not what i asked you i asked you if in modernity men are more virtuous than

00:42:25.920 women i don't i don't know okay are they at least as are they are they at least as virtuous as women 0.93

00:42:32.960 you say virtuous are you talking about sexual care are they at least as virtuous as we're talking

00:42:37.040 about sexual i'm talking about the virtues associated with christian ethics the fruits of

00:42:41.280 the spirit uh the uh removal of the pursuant of the flesh they're just as virtuous as women are 0.99

00:42:47.600 yes they're just i don't know i don't know the answer to that question well if they're just as

00:42:51.280 virtuous as women are then what you're actually saying there's an entailment is that secular

00:42:55.200 ethics is creating virtuous men not christian ethics because if women outnumber men in the 0.71

00:43:00.800 church and men somehow are still just as virtuous as them then that would mean that secular ethics

00:43:06.000 itself is producing virtue not christianity i didn't follow what you said but let me ask you

00:43:11.440 this oh my god this is like i need you to answer to this question before we can move to yours i'll

00:43:16.480 let you ask ask yours but i need an answer i didn't follow what you asked okay christianity

00:43:21.920 produces virtue yes or no yes people who follow christianity produce virtue great okay if women

00:43:28.080 outnumber men in the protestant church there should be necessarily more virtuous women than virtuous 1.00

00:43:35.280 men then right when you say virtuous what i'm saying is sexual pure okay now look doesn't mean

00:43:41.040 mean she's like an x304 you can't yeah there's no way for you x304 is not virtuous there's no

00:43:47.720 possible way then for you to say that women are more virtuous in modernity than men when it comes

00:43:52.020 to promiscuity because they're not care about men that are virgins we don't they don't even care 0.98

00:43:56.040 about how many sexual partners it's like saying you know the saying that goes a lock that can be

00:44:00.300 opened by any key is a worthless lock open any lock is a valuable key is a master key yeah yes

00:44:06.080 exactly yeah it's an old saying about women about men yeah this doesn't answer to the question sir

00:44:11.360 and i so how do you define virtuous i've already told you it's a following of christian ethics

00:44:16.800 the embrace of the fruits of the spirit the rejection of the pursuits of the flesh hang on

00:44:20.480 hang on dude i'm trying to explain answer your question that's how you would explain virtue now

00:44:24.560 there are actual virtues that we can point to things like for women it would be things like 1.00

00:44:28.880 chastity it would be things like loyalty these would be actual christian virtues right that

00:44:32.880 that would be associated with the feminine and not necessarily the masculine there's no possible

00:44:38.400 way you can make an argument in modernity in the united states that women are more virtuous than 0.99

00:44:42.500 men it's not even possible if you're talking about those traits right if you're talking about

00:44:48.400 chastity yes yeah there's no possible way women are more virtuous than men men aren't men aren't

00:44:55.360 virtuous especially when you consider chastity out of choice yeah but but just follow along with me

00:45:01.320 for a second then we'll get to you they're forced into sex yeah i get it i get it but the point is

00:45:05.800 is that women cannot by this entailment be more virtuous than men if that is the case and there's 0.77

00:45:10.760 20 or in your by your measure 30 more women in protestant churches than men why isn't the 0.98

00:45:16.920 protestant church producing virtuous women you think that men are choosing to stay abstinent

00:45:22.120 they're not are you allergic to answering questions it's like an allergy i just think

00:45:27.160 the feminized church is driving men out of the church my humble opinion why okay if there's 30 1.00

00:45:34.520 more women in the protestant church than men why aren't there more virtuous women than men 0.99

00:45:43.000 because it's a complete collapse of their patriarchy completely so the protestant church

00:45:49.080 has collapsed oh oh yes the partisan church the orthodox church the catholic church no the greek

00:45:55.400 orthodox church has a glass the greek orthodox church has 55 to 45 is the only church the only

00:46:02.680 church that where men i gotta be honest guys i don't think any church will completely circumvent

00:46:10.840 this i just don't see it i mean i really everyone it's interesting because everyone seems i've

00:46:18.600 interviewed a lot of religious like very deeply religious people on the show right so i've

00:46:23.880 interviewed really um i can't remember his name but there was one guy really deeply um catholic

00:46:32.360 right then i have had the orthodox people on the show i've had devout muslims on the show and

00:46:40.760 everyone seems to think that their religion is going to like save things or circumvent things

00:46:48.840 but I just look at the last hundred years and I haven't seen any of the churches really win

00:46:57.060 any battles with the culture and even in their church I see the feminine is feminization 1.00

00:47:06.400 generally across the board and if I look at the young women of all of their churches

00:47:12.500 I don't see much of a difference

00:47:16.560 not really anyways if you look at their life choices age of first marriage number of kids

00:47:24.720 and then a lot of times you get the phenomenon of when they do marry young they're going to divorce

00:47:31.360 at like first rounds around like late 20s early 30s for the women that got married in high school 1.00

00:47:38.480 or right after high school right out of college um i hope i would like that to be true i just don't

00:47:46.400 see it circumventing or changing anything outnumber the women but you're only one well 1.00

00:47:53.120 someone said people need to go directly to god okay i just don't see that happening based on

00:47:59.680 the trends that i'm seeing inconsistent with your own um

00:48:04.480 let me say one thing i think we need to delineate two things about it is it's politically morally

00:48:13.280 just or moderately irrepresentable reprehensible that's the first i'm gonna assume for for the

00:48:18.960 sake of the debate that polygyny is acceptable under christian ethics i want to know how it's

00:48:23.360 going to save the west and as we dive into it one you're saying that christianity in the west

00:48:28.240 has already been destroyed so how are you going to have how are you going to have christian anything

00:48:34.000 let alone polygyny if the protestant church has been so decimated it can't even produce virtuous

00:48:39.680 women how in hell is just adding a sprinkle of polygyny with the with or a sprinkle of degeneracy 1.00

00:48:45.680 with a sprinkle of jesus going to help this this is my opening statement because i didn't argue i

00:48:50.480 said the patriarchy i said and i want to mention that i moved away from i say biblical patriarchy

00:48:57.600 and i like patriarchy because you have absolute patriarchy i mean do you have you have limited

00:49:03.360 patriarchy andrew i remember you had a debate with your um on one of your channels and you say

00:49:08.000 that you travel home now um and you tell your wife listening in three hours i need to we need

00:49:13.360 to move she would listen and she would go because there's absolutely absolute patriarchy in your 0.93

00:49:18.640 household yeah if i was her best friend how would that be helpful well that's terrible for you to

00:49:23.120 said that they just asked once like about what if i married her best friend and i was also humping

00:49:27.040 her how would that well it would actually let's let's think that who is the best friend is the 0.99

00:49:33.840 best friend a 40 year old woman with no prospects it would probably be very helpful to her you know 0.60

00:49:40.560 she doesn't get stds she's having sex with one man um maybe she gets protection provisioning 1.00

00:49:48.320 like I'm just thinking of the alternatives let's say her best friend

00:49:53.080 is single middle-aged or older woman maybe a single mother I see much more benefit 0.79

00:50:01.400 on the woman's side than the man's on her own someone breaks into her house she's cooked done 0.99

00:50:11.440 let's say she's in a lot of debt maybe he could help her get her finances in order

00:50:15.060 again when they're thinking of polygamy they're thinking oh hot young wives 0.73

00:50:22.940 no no no no no the hot young ladies are for they're not going to be anybody's wife 1.00

00:50:32.320 it's maybe i hope you guys get lucky but it's just not the trends don't indicate that i mean

00:50:38.440 gen z women rank men seventh on their priority list um and men go to fourth when women hit their 0.81

00:50:44.920 thirties so maybe by 40 you guys are second or first you know so again if it's an older woman

00:50:53.960 a single mother i see way more benefit on the woman's side than the man for being in a polygamous 1.00

00:51:00.360 relationship oh that in some way be an assistant to my wife i'd like to chime in rob let them

00:51:08.920 finish their exchange and then i'll pass the mic over to how if my wife if i was married to my 1.00

00:51:13.320 wife's best friend i was also plowing her how would that in any way assist with the idea that um

00:51:18.840 you know if i told my wife within three hours we needed to move we needed to move uh if if

00:51:23.560 she was willing to do that uh how would it be helpful in some way that i was also plowing some

00:51:27.960 other chick on top of that makes no sense well if you're moving that's an extra set of hands 1.00

00:51:34.680 i'm really just trying to think of this practically here what could you do

00:51:38.920 let's say you're a guy and you go you get a 40 year old woman let's say 35 you get one kid out 0.79

00:51:44.520 of her you have kids with two women they're in the same house they're probably both going to 0.96

00:51:49.960 be working just statistically that's an extra 40k for the household that's you know the the woman 1.00

00:51:57.960 hypothetically could go i'll think of me personally i have volleyball i like to play

00:52:03.800 you know now you got another mom you hand them the kids you can go play volleyball or go to the

00:52:09.540 the women can alternate i'm not saying you should do this it's a little bit weird especially like 0.97

00:52:15.080 coming from a you know a christian nation ish right soft christianity i guess

00:52:22.480 but i'm just thinking like from a practical perspective i could see how it would be helpful

00:52:28.720 well let me tell you first of all you need to state if it's if you're going to follow absolute

00:52:32.900 patriarchy or you're going to follow limited patriarchy and that's part of it if you're if

00:52:37.300 you're going to happen this once again there's a responsibility that's raised upon every man

00:52:41.700 when he engages in marriage and when he engages in marriage he has to do it responsibly if he doesn't

00:52:47.140 if he goes and he sleeps around with woman he's full of baby that is a sin in itself let me show 0.98

00:52:52.340 you biblical patriarchy woman get down here give me a cup of coffee there's some biblical patriarchy 1.00

00:52:56.980 for you so back to this when you talk about when you talk about limited patriarchy you don't know 0.93

00:53:01.380 what the hell you're talking about what does that even mean there's no differentiation here

00:53:05.300 a patriarchal system simply means from the father the orthodox church is a patriarchal

00:53:10.580 system comes from the father your priests are father your bishop is father everything comes

00:53:15.140 from the father there's nothing limited here whatsoever why adding the addition of multiple

00:53:19.940 women would make it more patriarchal the challenge is so many men listen to women

00:53:25.220 and think about women before men that i i just still see that as being a challenge

00:53:32.740 in the church no idea you would essentially have to admit then that adam and eve because eve was

00:53:38.900 the only woman who was available to adam that adam was not a true patriarch how is that that's that's 0.74

00:53:44.260 the dumbest thing i've ever heard wouldn't adam be a true patriarch even though he only had one woman

00:53:48.260 maybe he wasn't can we define biblical monogamy because what's your body count andrew is it more 0.99

00:53:55.800 than one yeah you're not monogamous yeah i've said i've said sure sure what's your point what

00:54:03.540 i'm saying is you're trying to uphold something that you don't even i know what rob i know andrew

00:54:08.660 is gonna say you can't attack me personally because andrew is coming at this from uh what

00:54:14.660 is best for society point of view rob is trying to get into the nitty-gritty and he's trying to

00:54:20.120 get practical here he's like saying look it didn't work for you it didn't work for me nobody's really

00:54:26.640 monogamous i bet that that's how this is gonna go you haven't even kept well how are you making

00:54:32.180 this is such a lazy argument from hypocrisy no it's a two quoque fallacy what you're making

00:54:38.640 a monogamous what you're making is a fallacious let's say for a second that i was in complete

00:54:44.880 violation of my own principles it wouldn't have any bearing on the argument it's a too quick or

00:54:49.200 two quo quay fallacy stop stop bro let me respond there's two of you there's one of me you gotta

00:54:54.320 give me the luxury of having some speaking time here so a andrew you talked the whole time

00:55:02.080 he keeps telling people to stop talking over him and he stopped like most of the time

00:55:07.360 it's a two it's a two-quote fallacy it's yeah he's saying yeah that's what someone said in the

00:55:11.920 chat so andrew was saying look this is the ideal but the problem with that is it doesn't matter

00:55:17.920 what the ideal is that's just a wish list that's saying rob is saying we have to work with the

00:55:24.560 reality now this is what's happening you can't keep monogamy she can't keep nobody's keeping 1.00

00:55:30.560 monogamy where andrew's saying oh sorry i like andrew i'm gonna mock him a little bit sorry

00:55:37.200 but um oh like this is what would be best for society it was better a hundred years ago okay

00:55:44.720 but we're not in a hundred years ago right you fallacy uh yeah ideal is not the real world

00:55:51.360 you can't use those in arguments it's a fallacious move so what you're doing is you're

00:55:55.040 saying you yourself don't adhere to the principles that you value it has no bearing on the argument 0.91

00:55:59.040 whatsoever if i went out tonight and i got 300 hookers and sniffed cocaine off of their navels 1.00

00:56:04.560 it would have nothing to do with the argument that we're having right now what it illustrates

00:56:08.720 is that it's an impossible standard and this is why i went to a play last night i'm in new york

00:56:13.440 city right now and they had it was tammy faye it was about uh ptl ministries and they had jim baker

00:56:19.360 and jimmy swagger and this guy marvin gorman and all three of them fell to sexual sin these are

00:56:24.480 men that love god and they all fell to sexual sin because it's an impossible standard that was never

00:56:30.000 an impossible standard never in the bible it's a true okay let me let me we're gonna go back to

00:56:35.440 this okay we're gonna go back to my slideshow here why is it an impossible standard now when

00:56:42.080 it wasn't a hundred years ago for men we're gonna think about this so the reason it's an impossible

00:56:48.800 standard now okay so these are this is the dating pool i want for the sake of this pretend this old

00:56:55.600 woman is an ugly woman but younger for the sake of this so they're all young let's just say 1.00

00:57:02.480 college okay 18 to 21. this is the only guy that's going to get sexual access here right 0.99

00:57:10.480 so at 18 this guy is going to get access to all the women now you could say please

00:57:17.200 taught men stop having sex with everybody but that's not going to work and you could say please 0.98

00:57:22.800 ladies stop having sex with men that are completely out of your league good luck with that the same way 1.00

00:57:31.760 if men had um you know margot robbie in her prime banging on hit on on their door and you said 0.99

00:57:39.840 please men stop having sex with these super hot women out of your league they would say f off 1.00

00:57:45.200 right so you're not going to stop this now the challenge is this guy in the middle which is most 0.91

00:57:53.840 men they're either here or here you know the usually the guy at the top that's the guy that's

00:57:59.120 selected for short-term sexual encounters sometimes they want long guy in the middle 1.00

00:58:04.720 is the guy that only gets sexual access through relationships guy on the on the bottom doesn't

00:58:10.560 get any at all okay and usually they can men can like move through all of these

00:58:16.240 stages in life the challenge is the guy in the middle you're saying wait till marriage 0.96

00:58:23.360 but the women will not marry until they're old and so the problem is the guy you're now

00:58:30.800 saying to the guy wait till your middle age to have sex wait till you're 40.

00:58:35.440 wait till you're 35 30 I'm not saying it's impossible I'm sure there are people that

00:58:43.680 have done it but if you take 10 men I think that's and the other problem is then he becomes a target

00:58:52.320 because he hasn't really dealt with women he gets to 30 now the ladies are interested in him

00:58:57.560 it's like 30 35 when it switches now he's a mark and this lady on the top over here

00:59:03.880 she's been banging this guy for a decade and she said oh I need to settle down I need to 0.74

00:59:10.020 and he doesn't really know what he's getting himself into because he can't tell the difference

00:59:16.980 between a good woman or a bad woman because women were very good at hiding things I mean 1.00

00:59:22.040 you saw Nala did it out in the open but women used to you know have crazy stuff and then go 1.00

00:59:28.120 go to God become a new woman 1.00

00:59:30.280 and then this guy

00:59:32.460 becomes a target or like

00:59:34.440 become a new woman not really so let me go back

00:59:36.680 that's why it's more

00:59:38.560 impossible now and this isn't

00:59:40.500 the men's choice right the men 0.97

00:59:42.260 men I think would be

00:59:44.620 much more willing to marry young 0.59

00:59:46.380 but the problem is

00:59:48.740 the ladies just won't 1.00

00:59:50.540 do it they said please settle down

00:59:52.660 the lady said nah unless

00:59:54.680 you're Chad

00:59:55.260 it's christian mythology so so are you saying that if we have sex outside of marriage that's

01:00:04.760 not sinful let me ask you this i'm asking you a question sir if you if you have sex outside of

01:00:10.660 marriage is it sinful i believe it is yes okay well then then how is this that's the same 0.98

01:00:15.940 impossibility of standard i had sex outside of marriage i had sex i had sex outside of marriage 0.64

01:00:22.800 like many many many people do yes is it sinful of course it is but for you to say but for you to say

01:00:30.480 stop dude for you to say for you dude dude stop let me finish for you to say though hey this is

01:00:38.000 an impossible standard to adhere to you just make the same argument like say okay well then other

01:00:42.480 men have also done it the other way so it makes no sense right just saying just making the the

01:00:47.600 affirmative statement's an impossible standard is in and of itself another fallacy it's not in the

01:00:53.280 bible it's not in the bible listen what's not in the bible let me just ask is marrying your first 0.99

01:00:57.920 cousin in the bible the title the title of this podcast what or this debate was can christian

01:01:03.920 polygamy save marriage in the west let me just simple question for everyone watching

01:01:08.400 if a man knew that he could take more than one would he be more likely to marry a little bit

01:01:13.840 faster because the average age that men get married right now is 30.5 years old yeah why

01:01:18.560 what do they do in their 20s how come though they fornicate they sow their outcome they have yeah i 0.89

01:01:24.320 disagree i don't think that men are the ones pushing marriage i think it's women if men were

01:01:31.160 the ones waiting to get married then you would see the men marrying young women you know you would 0.88

01:01:36.840 see 40 year old men with 20 year old women or 25 year old women because men are attracted to youth

01:01:43.560 and beauty right but because we see the females age of first marriage going up that tells me that 0.91

01:01:50.120 it's the women that don't want to get married not the men which age is in their 30s do you know why 0.88

01:01:56.600 because they they wait for the unicorn they're wrong wrong i'll tell you exactly why it's because

01:02:03.240 inside the the western nations the united the united states government is notorious for this

01:02:07.960 but so is the australian government so is most of the north american and western european governments

01:02:13.320 what they do is they have a mass campaign they started in the 1980s where they do they taught

01:02:19.640 women to value education over reproductive years again they're there it's that subtle language 1.00

01:02:25.000 they taught the women to value education if women cared about education if we cared about getting 0.63

01:02:31.080 smart in our careers we would be picking careers that make a lot of money or degrees that teach you

01:02:40.360 a lot not gender studies not these you know sociology degrees where you're really doing

01:02:45.880 nothing right women enjoy the excitement of going to college right it's exciting it's fun i mean 1.00

01:02:56.200 it's not this brainwashing it's not this forcing it's not this the ladies were not brainwashed

01:03:02.920 what happened was you got to see exactly what we wanted to do what women do is they go to college 1.00

01:03:09.560 right they go to college during their reproductive years and they get married later in life that's 1.00

01:03:14.920 why you also here's my proof of this you have what's called a reproduction replication crisis

01:03:19.800 reproduction crisis you could just call it the birth rate crisis if you want okay whichever way

01:03:24.120 you want to you want to sway it we are under the reproduction replacement rate in the united states

01:03:29.560 for children remember if you look at abortion rates women under 25 are the most likely ones to

01:03:35.480 get abortions so the age of first birth is going up and women are aborting their kids 0.96

01:03:43.160 what does that tell us we thought that the ladies really wanted to be moms but i mean every data

01:03:49.160 point shows they don't they don't want to raise their kids they don't want to stay home with

01:03:52.120 their kids they'd rather put their kids in daycare than watch them and they'll abort them they 1.00

01:03:58.280 this is because women women get married later in life because they spend their 20s in school 1.00

01:04:06.580 they spend their 20s getting college degrees you can look at this in the stats overwhelmingly men

01:04:11.720 go to trade schools women go to college every single anthropological study which has been done

01:04:16.820 on this has shown yeah but it's it's deeper than that it's not just college it's the women getting 1.00

01:04:22.340 the free parties going to part like the bars it's um getting a cushy job you know drinks after we're

01:04:31.540 all all of the fun stuff where you're essentially worshipped as a woman with instagram right all

01:04:37.140 these people worshipping you all these fun opportunities and demonstrated that in every

01:04:41.940 single western nation where women value education over their reproductive years the birth rate goes 0.98

01:04:49.300 straight down and marriage ends up happening later in life so again what do we do do we force

01:04:54.580 is it forced do we say nope you can't you're gonna do exactly what we say to do

01:05:00.260 go get married and have kids do we force them i don't know that feels kind of weird to me or

01:05:08.100 do you say okay do it deal with the concept the problem now is we don't have consequences for

01:05:13.620 any of this stuff because there's always a guy that's going to bail the ladies out or there's 1.00

01:05:19.380 always um a government program or child supporter alimony that bails us out of the bad decisions

01:05:29.620 personally what i what i would prescribe is i would say we got to get rid of the bailout programs

01:05:36.580 and then you're going to see things reset a little bit not completely right but

01:05:41.300 But, you know, you got to, you know, if you want a divorce, fine.

01:05:46.060 I'm not going to, I don't want, I don't think the men should be forced to be with a woman that doesn't want to be with them.

01:05:52.240 That's torture.

01:05:53.800 But you need to pay for yourself the rest of your life.

01:05:58.180 The guy doesn't have to do it.

01:05:59.660 That's why it's going on, sir.

01:06:01.220 Okay, let me tell you what.

01:06:02.080 If a woman's sleeping with a man, there's about nine times out of ten, she wants to marry that man. 1.00

01:06:07.500 And she will marry that man.

01:06:08.680 I don't care how.

01:06:09.200 That is not true.

01:06:10.500 That is not true.

01:06:11.300 all how young she was is and if polygyny was accepted one of the most common complaints 0.98

01:06:16.100 i've gotten from guys is that the women want to have sex with them you know there's one 1.00

01:06:22.580 i asked a guy friend of mine who like i don't know he's he would say like maybe one out of

01:06:31.860 ten women want a relationship maybe uh when they get older that changes but when they're younger 1.00

01:06:38.980 the women do not want to be in relationships because again they have to by being in a relationship 1.00

01:06:45.580 you have to turn down free concerts free trips you know all of your friends are going to Miami

01:06:53.140 for a girls trip and going on a boat in Miami are you going to say no or maybe it's

01:06:59.960 in your town right maybe it's not Miami it's just the the coolest things to do in your town

01:07:07.520 all of the single girls are going and it's fun and the young especially young women they're given 0.71

01:07:14.160 so much we took the ring girl from the Jake Paul fight she was in a relationship at a small town

01:07:20.800 or I forgot what southern school she was at she was in a relationship she had a long-term boyfriend

01:07:25.700 had she had the boyfriend do you think she would have reached this global fame being a ring girl 1.00

01:07:31.500 meeting all these celebrities is she going to turn that down for an average man sadly

01:07:37.360 unfortunately no not so stigmatized by people like you and legally mandated by the government

01:07:43.480 there would not be any women not getting they would get married where's your proof where's 1.00

01:07:48.820 you talk i let you talk can you give me proofs though to demonstrate this let you talk and now

01:07:53.520 you're talking over me brother yeah he does do that he does that a lot just want the proofs with

01:07:57.580 what you're saying well look if it's it's common sense that if look if poligiany was accepted

01:08:02.960 and you didn't marry your your high school sweetheart you knew the 35 year old down the

01:08:07.400 street with two wives already has been looking at her and he's going to marry her right now it's a

01:08:11.500 buyer's market for men we don't need to marry that's why the marriage rate is in the toilet 1.00

01:08:15.880 it's not why because we don't need to marry we can get all the benefits of marriage without doing it

01:08:21.060 so women are sitting on the market like these houses that can't sell trying to find a buyer 1.00

01:08:25.340 no they want to get married they want to have babies but no there's no evidence that suggests

01:08:31.480 that women want to do either of those things are stepping up to marry them because of this horse 0.99

01:08:35.140 shit but this is a lot of the christian guys get fooled by this because the women will say that but 0.99

01:08:40.780 i've never met a woman that says she wants to be married i say okay how many dates are you going 1.00

01:08:46.880 on a week you're going on two dates a week three dates a week are you dating aggressively to get

01:08:52.540 to where you want to go i'm not saying you gotta sleep with them all but you do gotta go download

01:08:59.760 hinge are you okay you don't want to meet them online are you going to a bar twice a week okay 0.99

01:09:04.480 going to different churches your church hasn't worked going to a different church like what are

01:09:09.660 you doing there's never not anything okay guys um i do have to get going but i may finish this

01:09:16.380 on monday if if you guys want me to keep reacting to this let me know um i might continue might not

01:09:21.800 let me know what you guys want i'm gonna read the rest of the comments um which if you guys do want

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01:09:38.900 usually i read pretty much all the comments um dane says lgbt oh and it is one ten dollar a month

01:09:46.020 payment or 80 bucks a year and you get to put all the comments you want in the chat so lgbtq is an

01:09:52.200 outright sin no question polygamy is not covered as a sin biblically but it sets up a format that

01:09:58.680 allows actual sin to thrive thrive mitchell fake they aren't christian dane here's a smile for you

01:10:06.040 pearl polygamy is like a woman going to the club that isn't a sin but it sets her up to sin 1.00

01:10:11.080 mitchell if you're willing to go to the club then you're faking it paul says to turn the one

01:10:16.860 claiming to be a christian um out of the church if he does such things well okay guys let me know

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Pearl - December 06, 2024

Is The Answer To This Failed Society Christian Polygamy？｜ Pearl Daily

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Pearl - December 06, 2024

Is The Answer To This Failed Society Christian Polygamy？ ｜ Pearl Daily

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Is The Answer To This Failed Society Christian Polygamy？｜ Pearl Daily