Pearl - May 09, 2024Islam should be separated from Muslims ｜ The SITDOWN ｜ @MohammedHijab
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In this episode of the podcast, we discuss whether or not Islam is a religion that condones sexual assault and grooming. We discuss the difference between grooming and sexual assault in Islam and in Western countries, and whether this is a problem in Islam or not.
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Sometimes you have Muslim countries that do all kinds of things, for example, on a
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killing or this one or that one, or if you've someone being beaten or something,
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The right wing people are putting videos and pictures of people doing things which
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are not in line with Islam, for example, molesting women or sexual assault or
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Yeah, because we had grooming and all that kind of thing.
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You're reminding me because Tommy Robinson, he was here the other day.
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Because the thing is, in Islam, there's strict rules about how a man or woman should operate.
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So for example, there's not allowed to be physical contact unless they're married.
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So I find it hard to believe that someone, a religion that says you're not allowed to have any physical contact,
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they shouldn't look at the woman lustfully, for example, which is something in the New Testament and the Quran as well.
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that you should be respectful to the woman yeah how can you go from a religion that says that
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very clearly in its primary text to to justify and grooming somebody so there is no causal link
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between what some people in the west may do and we won't deny there are some people who do bad
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things so muslim people you know and what islam so you have to differentiate between islam and
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muslims just like you have to differentiate between christianity and christian christians
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so someone's strongest argument against islam is oh there's grooming gangs in the west and
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people are coming here because they want to come and live here and that's why
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christianity therefore christianity is true so yeah but i'm not even i'm just
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asking is that is what he's saying true are there there are but there is a woman
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called elaine cockbane yeah she's a professor i think she's she's written
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something about this and what she had shown is that actually uh the grooming
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phenomena is not is not in fact uh disproportionate to muslims and asians
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she considers it to be a a problem and also it's a problem with westerners it's not just like you
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know minority groups another problem that is very specific to us and i looked at the reports um
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there's one by the world health organization about stranger rape obviously rape itself i mean the
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the criterion of assessment of how do we do we agree with any woman without evidence no we don't
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we have to have evidence for it but for the sake of argument the world health organization mentioned
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that stranger rape is actually more prominent in western countries than it is in islamic countries
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different kinds of rape according to this report about sexual assault is in fact more prominent in
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the islamic countries and western countries but according to this report it's actually stranger
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rape is more so i guess the way that i would guess it though that's got to be because they call
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everything rape and i'm not i'm not saying it's right or it's wrong but like my mind immediately
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goes to the reason those stats are out of control in the west is because they call everything rape
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but then it should be commensurate with the other rape because there's sexual assault of like for
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example a close family member and stuff like that that was lower in parts of the western world as
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it was in other places so there's no issue here of this anonymity to get guaranteed you know i
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mean in these reports i'm not saying their reports are right or every claimant of rape is something
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which is true but what i'm saying is that if we looked at the official and most strong statistics
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that we have there's no evidence that muslim people are more likely to commit sexual assault
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on women than any non-muslim people um because i think i'm trying to remember he would say it's
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because it's covered up right i think that's what tommy would say like why does i'm just curious
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what yeah i mean because it's interesting because i'll talk to two people and they'll both like
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neither will seem to me to be liars right they'll both like oh they might be i don't know i i tend
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to like you know people but i'll talk to you you seem smart you seem like you know you're telling
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me the truth i'm giving you references as well yeah and tommy it's like a similar thing and he'll
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also give like his references yeah there's a kernel of truth in what he says yeah that's what makes
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it so my my question more is like why does he like why do you think he thinks that there are
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instances where you find people from an asian background and a muslim background that are
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committing sexual assault on women well why that does happen in the west it's happened in germany
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it's happened in in the uk now it's how you report on this issue so for example if you were to say
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that this is something which comes back to islam as a religion i say to you prove that please
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because in islam as a religion it's very strict on gender relations in fact that's one of the
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central criticisms of islamic countries that there's so much it's so strict you know a woman
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has to cover up why does a woman have to cover up in the quran it says the reason why is so that she
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doesn't get molested so to prevent sexual assault one of the reasons is to do that so if the quran
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is telling you this clearly if this is in the in the basic precepts of the chronic of the chronic
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discourse then it's where you make a causal link between islam and this phenomena where the fallacy
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lies because not every causation is not every correlation is a causation you're jumping from a
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correlation, which is not even a fair one into a causation. And that analysis is flawed. Another
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thing I would say is, if you look at human trafficking, in this country, they have the
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slavery act. If you look at the particulars of that particular act, and see who are the victims,
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according to the study of human trafficking, it's usually women from an ethnic background.
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And who are the perpetrators a lot of the time is white men. So anyone can make a case about
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anything. Do you know what I mean? If I dedicated my Twitter and my YouTube to looking at all the
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white perpetrators of sexual assault, put in a picture of them and saying this guy done this
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and this he was convicted of that, that could be a full time job for me. And then if I was to be even
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worse and say this is as a result of Christian teachings, someone say what's that got to do with
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Christian teaching? It could be a Christian man. But that's nothing to do with Christian teaching.
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The Catholic Church is very famous for the priests molesting the boys.
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well yeah but if someone asked me like why like people thought that the the priests were molesters
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i would say because like it happened you know you know like it wouldn't there's nothing in
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christianity that says that's legitimate correct right like but i would just say it's because
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like that happened yeah yeah so i guess like do you think it's more common in islam or like from
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muslim backgrounds i don't think it's all made up i don't think either of those propositions are
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are true. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Look,
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Islam is one out of four people in the world today. And in the
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world, right? And if we're talking about the end of the
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century, it'll be one out of three people, it'll be the
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biggest. If there was, if the world was in front of you, and
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the population of the world is in front of you, one of every
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three people that you're going to meet in 2100, according to
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pure research is going to be Muslim. So it's obviously when
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you have adherence of a faith that are that plentiful and
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numerous, you're going to have a disproportionately higher
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number of criminals in that number in that number okay so your view is it's just there's a ton of
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people yes and that's that's why like that no i i think it's a little bit more complicated than that
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i think where you do find instances of criminality in the west by say people from countries that are
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muslim is usually to do with social class that's my final final analysis in the sense that
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if you the number one predictor of criminality anywhere in the world i think is social class
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a person who's rich has less reason to commit crimes than someone who's poor okay the risk
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reward ratio for them is less and so it just so happens in the uk for for reasons to do with the
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war and history after world war ii you know obviously britain was a colony it brought all
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these people that are blue-collar workers from from pakistan from india from all these different
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countries to work as blue-collar workers they were working class here so a lot of them a large
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contingent became criminals not because of where they're from what belief they have it's just
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That's why you'll find when I went to California
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when they were bringing people into the country.
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and so on because America was much more careful
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Oh, legally, but no, no, freaking, even where I'm from, it's like they, there's like buses and people.
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But on the issue, because they don't have colonies in Pakistan and India and, you know, these countries in the Middle East.
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And so as a result of that, when they're bringing people in now, they had more selection.
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So you think it's a class, like they're basically bringing in low class people.
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So what they're getting is when you have, what I'm saying is we've always heard black people are criminals.
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it's because of the color of their skin, race realists would say that.
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Some people would go as far as it's because of the color of their skin.
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Some would say, I say the number one predictor is class, which is, it doesn't
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matter if you're black, white or Arab or from a Pakistani background or whatever
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background, if you are working class, you are more likely to be engaged in
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And the reason why I brought to your attention the case of the Pakistan is the
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same people with the same religion okay but you put them in one place they've
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got a different working class so the risk reward ratio for them is less
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therefore they perform from a socio-economic perspective much better
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another place because England had a different set of economic reasons for