In this episode, the gang discusses the issue of nice guys vs nice women and how they treat women in the dating world. The guys who placate women, the ones who are nice to women, and the ones that are just not there.
00:00:00.000uh welcome to the show pirate dog what is your thought what are your thoughts on the topic um
00:00:05.280what do you guys mean by nice guys that's i think that's a that's a good question for
00:00:10.020did you listen did you listen to the monologue or no no i kind of went through that there
00:00:16.740i can read it again i guess but no just like a synopsis men who placate women men who placate
00:00:23.820women yeah totally agreed i think um i sent it earlier in the chat the biggest issue is um you
00:00:32.540know we all know the old adage like weak men create hard times um and we're living in some
00:00:38.920hard times i mean i'm i'm 26 the dating scene is not very chill anymore i mean i think a lot of
00:00:45.660that falls on the young men though because the uh the dating experiences that you hear from young
00:00:50.520women are just awful i mean between um hookup culture to just like these awful experiences to0.52
00:00:57.040where a guy leads them on so much it's like i'm ready to date you i'm ready to step up to the1.00
00:01:01.560plate then they just ghost them they just wanted sex from them and then these women get these ideas1.00
00:01:05.340in their head that that's all the men in my life are going to do to me especially if they had a bad1.00
00:01:10.180upbringing with like a bad childhood or a bad father figure so then they have they double down
00:01:14.340on this reality and like well i'm just going to treat men the same way they've been treating me
00:01:18.480So then they go out into the dating world and do the same thing and they kind of they don't expect men to stay around.
00:01:24.360They just want to get banged and then they want to just go about their life and kind of live it however they want.
00:01:29.340And then the good guys that are out there like me, and it sounds like a lot of you guys as well.
00:01:33.680We get the short end of the stick because we're like trying to prove them like, look, we're a good guy.
00:01:38.180We want to stick around. We want to lead you. And in my life, I want to lead them in a godly way, in a biblical way.
00:01:43.340But it's tough because they don't believe you because they've experienced so many men out there that have just wronged them and that have just treated them so poorly.
00:01:50.380So I'll bounce off what you said. A lot of the women in your life, if you can ask them if they think that men are just a source of pain and anguish and they'll say yes.
00:02:00.600Even if they've never been been in a relationship, they automatically assume that men are just a source of all they can bring to a woman's life is pain and anguish.
00:02:10.280so you go ahead sean i'm sorry that's a shout out to the brother who said it but
00:02:16.580cat cat i don't believe that these girls went through this traumatizing
00:02:22.24030 of men don't even get no no no kitty cat your mistake is believe in them you know what i mean
00:02:30.060your mistake is believe in them well no no no right along with eve what i'm saying is is there's
00:02:36.780there's a social infrastructure in place for the past 40 50 years that where men are just harmful
00:02:42.960to women and women believe it whether they have the experience i'm not saying that women went0.86
00:02:48.180through that i agree with you a lot of women have never it's just like it's like how black people0.98
00:02:52.160try to say oh slavery but most of us have never been through it but how many black people act on0.71
00:02:57.260this on this boogeyman that never happened women are the same way they act like they went through0.95
00:03:03.740all the trauma when none of them went through it but they still navigate the dating market that1.00
00:03:07.040way go ahead and if you talk to the guys most like you're not really gonna know the real story
00:03:12.420until you talk to the guy that led them on half the time they'll tell you that they told the girl
00:03:17.160that they didn't want anything early on like well i will second i want to say this and to ask them
00:03:24.300their jobs the jobs of these guys a lot of times it's like it's like a job where it's like what
00:03:29.900you expect yes it's like the bouncer cheated on me well you know what i mean the bartender cheated
00:03:36.380on me yeah how did that how did that happen you know i found out i found out the personal
00:03:41.580chain was banging four other women besides all of his clients stacy what like i don't know how um
00:03:49.500old um most the chat is like i said i'm i'm 26 so not too old but i mean i would just say my own
00:03:55.900personal experience my friend groups and everything growing up i have seen firsthand my friends that
00:04:01.680are men do that to women i've called them out and said it's wrong everywhere it's a plethora it's
00:04:07.200it's like a toxin that exists they they text 10 different girls at one time things about them
00:04:13.740wanting to date and the girls come confide in me crying saying yeah but he like literally told me
00:04:17.940that he wants to date that guy dude that's what i'm saying but it's already out there and it's
00:04:22.500already rampant i'm not that person but trying to convince these girls that don't be the guy that
00:04:27.940don't be the guy these women talk to about the toxic don't be that guy man
00:04:34.900i'm the guy's friend and i'm kind of like in the area with
00:04:37.620oh bro you gotta stop that right away hold on a second i've been the guy talking to multiple girls
00:04:44.980have you been that guy do you know what yeah but i'm not i'm not leading them on saying that i'm
00:04:49.220going to date them for 10 years like you should that's fair okay i wasn't leading them on but i
00:04:55.060was flirting with most girls i understand the emotional high that it does to your ego i get
00:05:00.620why they do it do i agree with them lying to the girls leading them on no i don't agree with that
00:05:05.840but at the same time i get why they do it they have to live with themselves i don't the same
00:05:10.460time they're not going to listen to me if i tell them stop it because they're doing they're going
00:05:14.180to keep doing it right now i want to point out an underlying thing we are all realizing that there
00:05:18.840is this infrastructure of social conditioning that gives people a false expectation. If you do
00:05:24.360the blue pill, you get this certain outcome. And we're all seeing it doesn't work. We're seeing the
00:05:28.620young men learn the lessons that we have learned through pain and suffering. And because we learned
00:05:33.180it the hard way, we're not going to give up that lesson. And now we're actually trying to do
00:05:37.960something positive about it by calling it out for what it is so that maybe someone else can learn
00:05:42.920it with less pain. So props to all of you guys. Yeah. Were there any signs from these women?
00:05:48.840that he wasn't in fact taking them seriously like where there's any warning signs that's
00:05:54.700i mean like so what i'm gonna say is like yeah i'm not i'm not avidly like out there like let
00:06:01.320me be a shoulder to cry on for these girls but they'll just come up to me at a place and say
00:06:04.820like your friend did this to me and i'm like yeah i was there i saw the text message i saw him saying
00:06:09.600that i saw what he said i's told you know i've seen what he's talked about with you and how he
00:06:13.660does that to 20 different girls and like that's just something i don't want to participate in
00:06:17.460my only point is that that type of behavior does not help the dating market and doesn't help the
00:06:23.540world it doesn't it's not a positive outcome to this reality the fact of the matter is we're
00:06:28.000dealing with a dating market and just a hurt group like a hurt world a hurt a hurt generation of
00:06:33.680people that are just treating people awfully how do we fix it i don't think doing that type of0.73
00:06:38.640stuff is going to make it any better yeah but what did the girls do did they leave or did they just1.00
00:06:43.480keep going no they kept going because but only because only because young women are very
00:06:49.600susceptible we all know this like they're very susceptible people they'll believe whatever you
00:06:53.640tell them so that's why men as the leaders of this generation as the protectors and providers
00:06:57.380the people that are in charge the people that are supposed to be leading them in a godly biblical
00:07:00.740way are not doing that so that's just how it is yeah but what are they supposed to do they don't
00:07:07.060respond to men in a godly biblical way okay i want to point something out i want to point something
00:07:12.820out those women are going to be attracted to those men no matter what kind of logic you use
00:07:17.620because of how those men make them feel so we want those women to make better choices
00:07:22.260we have to demonstrate to them that we can create that exact same feeling in them but in a more
00:07:28.160ethical way that takes a lot of work and a lot of men don't want to put in that work
00:07:32.680we can learn to create that same kind of attraction in those women so they can see actually you know
00:07:38.580what i don't have to go with the beggar i can find a guy who has better character who can still make0.80
00:07:43.580me feel that damn fucking excited that i want him that i'm gonna chase him wait wait wait hold on0.92
00:07:48.060pause did we see the did we see the phone all right so you said you've seen the messages that0.99
00:07:53.160your friend sent as a man did you see her messages and the message she was sending to other guys0.98
00:07:58.500or was she only talking to him stop the cap we always keep coming with humanize these goddamn1.00
00:08:05.800women stop trying to put them in this stage that's y'all biggest weakness every time a woman comes1.00
00:08:11.520y'all try to put them in this women are like children no they're not they're equal citizens1.00
00:08:16.120yeah they're humans and at the end of the day they're willing participants too just the way
00:08:22.180they are out not not the participants you keep looking at it from that they are committing the
00:08:26.500same atrocities you act like these girls are going out here man i'm only got only got tricked by this
00:08:32.200guy besides that i was sitting on the top of the hill eating the apple and being goody two-shoe
00:08:37.440is that the only guy was popping it they was popping it pearl they was twerking they they
00:08:44.440hit puberty before you you were still pushing blocks and pokemon cards and they was looking
00:08:49.260at boys they've been in the game longer than you yeah like what if she like how do you know she
00:08:55.700wasn't talking to other dudes too no she definitely was okay i'm i'm just proposing an idea and you're1.00
00:09:03.340totally right um i'm proposing an idea though that it's like okay you said this women are not children
00:09:10.220obviously to say that many women no no of course men and women are equal in terms of humanity in
00:09:17.720terms of like how much value they have but in terms of their role in life they are not equal
00:09:23.400and one question i will pose that i've heard before on podcasts i think pearl you're actually0.97
00:09:27.600on one that talked about it is who controls access to sex it is solely women that is a very0.98
00:09:34.880key thing to bring into this conversation they control access to sex 100 hands down0.99
00:09:41.600women control and control access to relationships i think i think women control access to both1.00
00:09:48.040yeah no because why are women chasing the man at the top trying to get the man to commit to them1.00
00:09:54.520y'all stepping into women frame men are too i tell bitches you ain't getting no d1.00
00:10:01.360please daddy give me some d please y'all never known that that's why girls don't sniff your0.99
00:10:06.300dirty drawers it's because y'all don't know this construct y'all step into the construct the0.98
00:10:11.560opposite way which is she control she controls sex she no you don't there's sex out on the0.94
00:10:17.440internet for 9.99 how are you going to control something that's in surplus you know i'm sure0.97
00:10:23.000everyone in here has has rejected women and rejected them trying to have intercourse with
00:10:27.980them but it is only at the guise of them consenting to that at all times if a man comes forward to
00:10:33.340you at any point in time is like i was sexually assaulted by a girl at a bar i'm like i'm not
00:10:37.520what like i'm what do you mean you're sexually how did she overpower you how did she that doesn't
00:10:42.560make any sense like how are you sexually assaulted by a woman usually consenting i would say i would1.00
00:10:47.440say control it i would say women control access to relationships because an average woman's gonna
00:10:52.220have more choice than an average guy always like you could argue maybe a small percentage right1.00
00:10:57.400but like the average girl is gonna have more choice than the average guy1.00