00:00:00.000uh welcome to the show pirate dog what is your thought what are your thoughts on the topic um
00:00:05.280what do you guys mean by nice guys that's i think that's a that's a good question for
00:00:10.020did you listen did you listen to the monologue or no no i kind of went through that there
00:00:16.740i can read it again i guess but no just like a synopsis men who placate women men who placate
00:00:23.820women yeah totally agreed i think um i sent it earlier in the chat the biggest issue is um you
00:00:32.540know we all know the old adage like weak men create hard times um and we're living in some
00:00:38.920hard times i mean i'm i'm 26 the dating scene is not very chill anymore i mean i think a lot of
00:00:45.660that falls on the young men though because the uh the dating experiences that you hear from young
00:00:50.520women are just awful i mean between um hookup culture to just like these awful experiences to
00:00:57.040where a guy leads them on so much it's like i'm ready to date you i'm ready to step up to the
00:01:01.560plate then they just ghost them they just wanted sex from them and then these women get these ideas
00:01:05.340in their head that that's all the men in my life are going to do to me especially if they had a bad
00:01:10.180upbringing with like a bad childhood or a bad father figure so then they have they double down
00:01:14.340on this reality and like well i'm just going to treat men the same way they've been treating me
00:01:18.480So then they go out into the dating world and do the same thing and they kind of they don't expect men to stay around.
00:01:24.360They just want to get banged and then they want to just go about their life and kind of live it however they want.
00:01:29.340And then the good guys that are out there like me, and it sounds like a lot of you guys as well.
00:01:33.680We get the short end of the stick because we're like trying to prove them like, look, we're a good guy.
00:01:38.180We want to stick around. We want to lead you. And in my life, I want to lead them in a godly way, in a biblical way.
00:01:43.340But it's tough because they don't believe you because they've experienced so many men out there that have just wronged them and that have just treated them so poorly.
00:01:50.380So I'll bounce off what you said. A lot of the women in your life, if you can ask them if they think that men are just a source of pain and anguish and they'll say yes.
00:02:00.600Even if they've never been been in a relationship, they automatically assume that men are just a source of all they can bring to a woman's life is pain and anguish.
00:02:10.280so you go ahead sean i'm sorry that's a shout out to the brother who said it but
00:02:16.580cat cat i don't believe that these girls went through this traumatizing
00:02:22.24030 of men don't even get no no no kitty cat your mistake is believe in them you know what i mean
00:02:30.060your mistake is believe in them well no no no right along with eve what i'm saying is is there's
00:02:36.780there's a social infrastructure in place for the past 40 50 years that where men are just harmful
00:02:42.960to women and women believe it whether they have the experience i'm not saying that women went
00:02:48.180through that i agree with you a lot of women have never it's just like it's like how black people
00:02:52.160try to say oh slavery but most of us have never been through it but how many black people act on
00:02:57.260this on this boogeyman that never happened women are the same way they act like they went through
00:03:03.740all the trauma when none of them went through it but they still navigate the dating market that
00:03:07.040way go ahead and if you talk to the guys most like you're not really gonna know the real story
00:03:12.420until you talk to the guy that led them on half the time they'll tell you that they told the girl
00:03:17.160that they didn't want anything early on like well i will second i want to say this and to ask them
00:03:24.300their jobs the jobs of these guys a lot of times it's like it's like a job where it's like what
00:03:29.900you expect yes it's like the bouncer cheated on me well you know what i mean the bartender cheated
00:03:36.380on me yeah how did that how did that happen you know i found out i found out the personal
00:03:41.580chain was banging four other women besides all of his clients stacy what like i don't know how um
00:03:49.500old um most the chat is like i said i'm i'm 26 so not too old but i mean i would just say my own
00:03:55.900personal experience my friend groups and everything growing up i have seen firsthand my friends that
00:04:01.680are men do that to women i've called them out and said it's wrong everywhere it's a plethora it's
00:04:07.200it's like a toxin that exists they they text 10 different girls at one time things about them
00:04:13.740wanting to date and the girls come confide in me crying saying yeah but he like literally told me
00:04:17.940that he wants to date that guy dude that's what i'm saying but it's already out there and it's
00:04:22.500already rampant i'm not that person but trying to convince these girls that don't be the guy that
00:04:27.940don't be the guy these women talk to about the toxic don't be that guy man
00:04:34.900i'm the guy's friend and i'm kind of like in the area with
00:04:37.620oh bro you gotta stop that right away hold on a second i've been the guy talking to multiple girls
00:04:44.980have you been that guy do you know what yeah but i'm not i'm not leading them on saying that i'm
00:04:49.220going to date them for 10 years like you should that's fair okay i wasn't leading them on but i
00:04:55.060was flirting with most girls i understand the emotional high that it does to your ego i get
00:05:00.620why they do it do i agree with them lying to the girls leading them on no i don't agree with that
00:05:05.840but at the same time i get why they do it they have to live with themselves i don't the same
00:05:10.460time they're not going to listen to me if i tell them stop it because they're doing they're going
00:05:14.180to keep doing it right now i want to point out an underlying thing we are all realizing that there
00:05:18.840is this infrastructure of social conditioning that gives people a false expectation. If you do
00:05:24.360the blue pill, you get this certain outcome. And we're all seeing it doesn't work. We're seeing the
00:05:28.620young men learn the lessons that we have learned through pain and suffering. And because we learned
00:05:33.180it the hard way, we're not going to give up that lesson. And now we're actually trying to do
00:05:37.960something positive about it by calling it out for what it is so that maybe someone else can learn
00:05:42.920it with less pain. So props to all of you guys. Yeah. Were there any signs from these women?
00:05:48.840that he wasn't in fact taking them seriously like where there's any warning signs that's
00:05:54.700i mean like so what i'm gonna say is like yeah i'm not i'm not avidly like out there like let
00:06:01.320me be a shoulder to cry on for these girls but they'll just come up to me at a place and say
00:06:04.820like your friend did this to me and i'm like yeah i was there i saw the text message i saw him saying
00:06:09.600that i saw what he said i's told you know i've seen what he's talked about with you and how he
00:06:13.660does that to 20 different girls and like that's just something i don't want to participate in
00:06:17.460my only point is that that type of behavior does not help the dating market and doesn't help the
00:06:23.540world it doesn't it's not a positive outcome to this reality the fact of the matter is we're
00:06:28.000dealing with a dating market and just a hurt group like a hurt world a hurt a hurt generation of
00:06:33.680people that are just treating people awfully how do we fix it i don't think doing that type of
00:06:38.640stuff is going to make it any better yeah but what did the girls do did they leave or did they just
00:06:43.480keep going no they kept going because but only because only because young women are very
00:06:49.600susceptible we all know this like they're very susceptible people they'll believe whatever you
00:06:53.640tell them so that's why men as the leaders of this generation as the protectors and providers
00:06:57.380the people that are in charge the people that are supposed to be leading them in a godly biblical
00:07:00.740way are not doing that so that's just how it is yeah but what are they supposed to do they don't
00:07:07.060respond to men in a godly biblical way okay i want to point something out i want to point something
00:07:12.820out those women are going to be attracted to those men no matter what kind of logic you use
00:07:17.620because of how those men make them feel so we want those women to make better choices
00:07:22.260we have to demonstrate to them that we can create that exact same feeling in them but in a more
00:07:28.160ethical way that takes a lot of work and a lot of men don't want to put in that work
00:07:32.680we can learn to create that same kind of attraction in those women so they can see actually you know
00:07:38.580what i don't have to go with the beggar i can find a guy who has better character who can still make
00:07:43.580me feel that damn fucking excited that i want him that i'm gonna chase him wait wait wait hold on
00:07:48.060pause did we see the did we see the phone all right so you said you've seen the messages that
00:07:53.160your friend sent as a man did you see her messages and the message she was sending to other guys
00:07:58.500or was she only talking to him stop the cap we always keep coming with humanize these goddamn
00:08:05.800women stop trying to put them in this stage that's y'all biggest weakness every time a woman comes
00:08:11.520y'all try to put them in this women are like children no they're not they're equal citizens
00:08:16.120yeah they're humans and at the end of the day they're willing participants too just the way
00:08:22.180they are out not not the participants you keep looking at it from that they are committing the
00:08:26.500same atrocities you act like these girls are going out here man i'm only got only got tricked by this
00:08:32.200guy besides that i was sitting on the top of the hill eating the apple and being goody two-shoe
00:08:37.440is that the only guy was popping it they was popping it pearl they was twerking they they
00:08:44.440hit puberty before you you were still pushing blocks and pokemon cards and they was looking
00:08:49.260at boys they've been in the game longer than you yeah like what if she like how do you know she
00:08:55.700wasn't talking to other dudes too no she definitely was okay i'm i'm just proposing an idea and you're
00:09:03.340totally right um i'm proposing an idea though that it's like okay you said this women are not children
00:09:10.220obviously to say that many women no no of course men and women are equal in terms of humanity in
00:09:17.720terms of like how much value they have but in terms of their role in life they are not equal
00:09:23.400and one question i will pose that i've heard before on podcasts i think pearl you're actually
00:09:27.600on one that talked about it is who controls access to sex it is solely women that is a very
00:09:34.880key thing to bring into this conversation they control access to sex 100 hands down
00:09:41.600women control and control access to relationships i think i think women control access to both
00:09:48.040yeah no because why are women chasing the man at the top trying to get the man to commit to them
00:09:54.520y'all stepping into women frame men are too i tell bitches you ain't getting no d
00:10:01.360please daddy give me some d please y'all never known that that's why girls don't sniff your
00:10:06.300dirty drawers it's because y'all don't know this construct y'all step into the construct the
00:10:11.560opposite way which is she control she controls sex she no you don't there's sex out on the
00:10:17.440internet for 9.99 how are you going to control something that's in surplus you know i'm sure
00:10:23.000everyone in here has has rejected women and rejected them trying to have intercourse with
00:10:27.980them but it is only at the guise of them consenting to that at all times if a man comes forward to
00:10:33.340you at any point in time is like i was sexually assaulted by a girl at a bar i'm like i'm not
00:10:37.520what like i'm what do you mean you're sexually how did she overpower you how did she that doesn't
00:10:42.560make any sense like how are you sexually assaulted by a woman usually consenting i would say i would
00:10:47.440say control it i would say women control access to relationships because an average woman's gonna
00:10:52.220have more choice than an average guy always like you could argue maybe a small percentage right
00:10:57.400but like the average girl is gonna have more choice than the average guy