Pearl - Jeff St. James Explains The Benefits of Being a High Value Man (RECAP)

00:00:00.000 what is going on everybody welcome to another episode of pearl daily for those of you that

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00:00:34.460 description all right so today i have a special guest joining us for an episode of the sit down

00:00:41.900 so as you guys know yesterday we were reacting to this video of this guy just cooking he was just

00:00:50.780 cooking these two feminists from canada and i just thought what better what better um use of my time

00:00:58.940 could it be to have him cook on an episode of the sit down so welcome to the show jeff st james we

00:01:07.420 are so happy to have you here thank you thank you thank you for welcoming me so could you tell my

00:01:14.020 audience a little bit about yourself you're relatively new on the scene yeah i actually

00:01:19.920 started uh this podcasting journey about two and a half months ago and just being myself per usual i did

00:01:26.200 not anticipate a quarter million people in the last four days seeing my face and hearing my voice and

00:01:32.560 having hundreds of thousands of people either loving me or hating me at this point so um i'm here i'm a

00:01:38.940 licensed therapist and trained uh certified trauma specialist and i've been working uh over a decade in

00:01:45.640 the field and uh i'm repping philadelphia cool so what was it like going viral and um because i know

00:01:52.600 some people get kind of people can handle that amount of um attention in different ways so how

00:01:59.260 was it for you yeah um honestly i laughed at all the comments uh good and bad uh apparently i'm kevin

00:02:07.020 samuels 2.0 i am gay i hate women and um and i'm a red pill therapist is what i've been apparently now

00:02:16.500 identified as so uh apparently i'm all of these things um but honestly i don't take myself too

00:02:22.180 seriously um i even me getting into this space i wasn't looking necessarily like get famous

00:02:27.600 it was more so just bringing a slightly different perspective that i felt i wasn't really hearing in

00:02:32.640 a lot of these types of conversations yeah well you were really calm um i was actually surprised how

00:02:37.900 much they let you talk they never i got to learn whatever the heck you did they never let me talk that

00:02:43.360 much they always cut me off you know what i would say is definitely the pool of the people you admire

00:02:52.000 and kind of invite on at times they're the argumentative types these two ladies um they

00:02:56.980 welcomed me they asked me and they they came up with the topics they came up with the questions and

00:03:01.200 i just i just came in and did it cool so now that you're labeled the red pill therapist um

00:03:07.760 would you consider yourself red pill and how would you personally define it

00:03:12.580 sure yeah i i i wasn't i never thought i'd be identified in that way but in terms of all the

00:03:19.420 ways in which people can kind of categorize me or categorize what i stand for in a lot of my

00:03:24.400 arguments sure um i think a lot of what i stand for is probably red pill and the interesting thing

00:03:29.520 is is there was a point in my life when i was definitely black pill and i've switched back over

00:03:33.600 to the red pill side and i and i hope to convert you and all of your black pill listeners to

00:03:37.980 to come back over to the slightly less dark side well um okay so you want to convert me today well

00:03:46.680 we'll get to that later um so what is your opinion that on the current dating markets and intersexual

00:03:53.740 dynamics between men and women okay um in terms of what's going on presently and how we got here

00:04:01.480 um in my last interview i kind of mentioned that the pill and birth control um sexual liberation women

00:04:07.540 entering the workforce in mass and social media slash dating apps has really changed how we as human

00:04:14.660 beings kind of see each other in the general trajectory of where we're heading as a civilization

00:04:19.220 especially in terms of western cultures um more or less the end result is now that women have

00:04:25.120 basically delayed uh motherhood and marriage uh increased their chances of experiencing a lot

00:04:31.900 of trauma and pain from the frequent relationships that don't work through their teens and 20s and

00:04:36.020 possibly 30s and also decreasing um just the overall trust in each other men and women as well as

00:04:43.200 increasing the the perspective of just wanting transactional expectations on the other side

00:04:48.260 uh we've now developed uh very false beliefs in terms of optionality of what's available um whenever

00:04:55.140 things don't just keep working out we can give up we can leave relationships we can get divorced

00:04:59.440 and then that's pretty much led us to where we are where we are declining as a civilization in terms

00:05:04.980 of our birth rate so i think that's in essence what is going on at this point and do you think it's

00:05:10.420 because of the pill or like what do you think are the root causes behind it each one of these things

00:05:16.980 that i listed gave options to women that perhaps they didn't have or didn't have nearly as much as

00:05:22.180 they did um sure in the past women could have gotten hangers and you know win the back alley to

00:05:27.760 kind of get that situation addressed but once it became more formalized in medical settings um it made

00:05:33.320 their ability to be able to delay a lot of things that were typically done earlier for women and

00:05:39.980 throughout human history they said i can wait till i'm my late 20s i can wait till my 30s to do this now

00:05:44.540 and and simultaneously i can now have sex and choose my suitor um so that was one way in which

00:05:50.320 they kind of opened up the door for women uh specifically to start to approach uh dating and

00:05:56.300 marriage differently then when you had the sexual liberation movement they were convinced that trying

00:06:02.020 to do life like men um especially sexually was going to have all of these significant benefits

00:06:07.580 uh the consequence unfortunately is not only was it a rise and increase in stds a rise increase in

00:06:13.340 single mother households but also um probably a significant degree of dissatisfaction with women

00:06:20.840 when it comes to their ability to be able to pair bond their ability to remain satisfied and always

00:06:26.540 the comparisons of uh what's next or who's next or who could be better um so yeah i i think that you

00:06:33.040 know many of these and then of course we can't forget the social media and dating apps

00:06:36.720 it's it's just come it's convinced the generation of women specifically in the west that um there's

00:06:43.200 always a better alternative um there's always the best option and that um with the the influx of the

00:06:49.340 likes the influx of the comments the influx of men in their dms they're convinced that because there's so

00:06:55.600 many of these men that want me that i have all these options and the reality is they wouldn't sleep with

00:07:00.560 most of those men they wouldn't be in relationships with most of those men but they've in essence kind of

00:07:06.120 conflated uh all this attention i get on the outside with the reality of how few men i actually

00:07:12.480 want and can actually end up with i think it almost reveals women don't like men as much as we

00:07:17.960 originally thought would you agree with that or do you disagree this is a tough one because it's like

00:07:25.060 the second the second you're like do you want to kill their kids they're like yup they're like

00:07:29.680 the second they're like do you want to leave your husbands they're like yup

00:07:33.860 the second they're like do you want to be moms do you guys want to wait they're like let me wait

00:07:40.220 as long as possible you know they say like revealed preferences versus stated preferences

00:07:45.900 so like people say they want things but if you look at like their actions it's not like it's like

00:07:51.340 the fat friend you keep taking to the gym

00:07:53.240 and they're like i want to lose weight and you're like all right come to the gym

00:07:59.560 girl first of all you know i got a job right so i'm gonna try to i'm gonna try to keep it what i

00:08:05.520 would say in response to that believe it or not is that um i do agree that with optionality

00:08:11.120 people's um natures have definitely been revealed much more clearly um but with that said

00:08:18.180 um i don't know if i was a woman and i had this many options and a in the ability to get so much

00:08:26.040 attention so early and so often that i wouldn't have potentially adopted much of that mindset too

00:08:32.200 if i were in their shoes for at least a season um the issue is is is actually not simply that um

00:08:38.360 it's revealed that women have the capacity to be just as grimy as men in some respects it it also

00:08:45.400 revealed that i think they saw something that it revealed something in women that i don't think

00:08:50.580 most men factored in it was a secret before women could just say yeah like you know like that oh that

00:08:57.180 was the women today the past we weren't like that and i'm like yeah grandma because there's no

00:09:01.640 smartphones like yeah yeah yeah i don't buy that women and that's the thing this is the difference

00:09:07.060 i think the only difference between women today and women of the past is cameras uh social media

00:09:13.440 and uh the ability for us to see it more readily available i think women have always done what

00:09:20.020 they wanted to do and pick their best option that they thought they can get in terms of a spouse

00:09:24.140 um very quickly might move on if a guy wasn't the right fit i think female dating strategies by

00:09:30.780 by default is definitely different than men's um and i don't think that that changed as much as it

00:09:36.360 probably got exacerbated yeah with all these things that i mentioned yeah i agree the one thing i think

00:09:42.060 you said that i might have a different opinion on i don't think um i think you said women are like

00:09:47.700 traumatized from sleeping around i don't know really i think it's just like a get out of jail

00:09:53.400 free card they use later i'm like you did not look traumatized when you were like hanging out with

00:09:59.700 tyrone chad gabby you seem fine yeah yeah but then you're gonna like cry later but i think it's just

00:10:06.480 so they could get a husband because like obviously they can't be like oh i really enjoyed that it was

00:10:11.700 a lot of fun so yeah as a trauma yeah i'm sorry to cut you off as a trauma therapist i actually know

00:10:18.780 what trauma is so it's very fascinating to see women and people specifically they overuse trauma and

00:10:24.440 everybody that was with in the past as a narcissist like i actually know what these terms mean and know

00:10:29.380 how to measure them so when i mean it what i actually mean is is that yeah they actually increase

00:10:34.560 their chances to experience trauma because you keep dealing with so many men who you haven't

00:10:38.840 probably vetted properly um so yeah but a lot of times when they're using those words it's

00:10:43.780 it's not actually applying to the case no they don't want to vet them properly you know what i mean

00:10:48.680 you just want six pack

00:10:50.740 okay so um tell me what you mean by qualified and unqualified men

00:10:59.660 so yeah in my last interview with the ladies at sharing my truth podcast um i had mentioned um that

00:11:07.460 there were men that were considered qualified and there were men that were considered unqualified

00:11:11.260 and that their experiences with women tends to be radically different the men that i would say are

00:11:17.140 qualified are typically men that have good to great income they meet a certain height requirement

00:11:24.760 typically six eight six feet or above um they're in fairly decent shape uh fairly charismatic uh

00:11:31.280 confident desire by multiple women and respected by multiple men those are the men that i would say

00:11:37.100 and most people would kind of identify as quote-unquote qualified to have options with women to be able to

00:11:42.960 push off commitment to be able to sleep with multiple women at simultaneously at the same time and

00:11:48.160 never have to lead towards marriage these are the quote-unquote men that qualify to get access

00:11:53.420 to women's sex um um softness uh love um intimacy etc whereas the men that are quote-unquote unqualified

00:12:03.220 they're usually missing multiple of those check boxes if not all of them so yeah go ahead where would

00:12:10.220 you put men like because there's certain men in just certain environments where they're broke but

00:12:15.180 they get a lot of women like you you know how it is the salsa instructor like the the club promoter you know

00:12:22.100 what i mean where would you put them as qualified or unqualified if like they don't have the money

00:12:26.820 but they still get women you know the bartender in in la they got all the actors but yeah sorry go ahead

00:12:34.040 yeah for men that are don't check off all the boxes you typically have to be exceptional at least one or

00:12:42.300 two okay so the men that are unqualified are pretty much not doing anything in any of these areas

00:12:48.300 significant like kind of stand out so for instance the guy that's really really tall and is like

00:12:54.800 pretty charismatic and has nothing else with the things i kind of listed uh he'll do well

00:12:59.680 because he's exceptionally tall and he knows he's a good talker right um so we see it whereas the guys

00:13:06.020 who can't talk to women the guys who are not that tall the guys that don't make any money

00:13:09.760 the more but it gets to a point where she either friend zones you or doesn't even acknowledge you

00:13:14.660 yeah you ever meet a guy that gets a girls to pay his rent i've seen that oh i'm jealous of them guys

00:13:21.220 jealous can you talk more about um attraction triggers and define what they are

00:13:28.200 yeah so they're they're different um obviously on an individual by individual level but the things

00:13:34.460 that i just listed are typically from the female perspective the female side uh typically some of the

00:13:40.400 the key cues that they're looking for so from an attraction trigger perspective women typically

00:13:45.680 don't want to get with the guy that they can't sense that other women also think is attractive

00:13:50.880 so the problem that we're kind of having in in in terms of like this whole topic and this discussion

00:13:57.160 that's going on when you think about it is like these women are only picking men that they believe other

00:14:04.060 women want and trying to ensure and guarantee that that guy is going to be monogamous and with them

00:14:10.360 for the rest of their lives so their their attraction triggers are putting them in a small pool dealing

00:14:16.860 with a small pool of men that they're often being disappointed with as a result whereas on the flip

00:14:22.120 side with men many of their attraction triggers a lot of women confuse that because they assume that

00:14:26.980 they would be the same oh i make so much money i make this much money i have this degree i got

00:14:31.120 car i got this i got that none of those things apply to men especially men that have those things

00:14:36.500 so men many of our attraction triggers are softness femininity nurturing um the desire to potentially

00:14:44.780 start a family um a willingness to be able to listen and learn from him and not feel like she has to

00:14:50.440 constantly lead or dominate those are a lot of the things that men are typically looking for um and

00:14:55.360 and particularly attracted to um so for whatever reason um it seems like men a lot of men aren't

00:15:02.540 checking off the boxes in terms of attraction triggers that women are typically looking for

00:15:06.320 and unfortunately in the west um that's probably true to an extent because a lot of the women

00:15:12.420 unfortunately in this country and in canada and in uk and in australia and other western countries

00:15:17.920 they don't desire the need to develop those things that men are attracted to they just project

00:15:24.060 what they want onto the man and expect them to expect the same from them you know what's interesting

00:15:28.960 um because i've interviewed a thousand women on my show and the women that i met that i would say

00:15:35.200 had the highest femininity there's always like a reason there's always a but like it was very necessary

00:15:42.220 like they either highly struggled with weight or had children so it it seemed like it was kind of made

00:15:47.880 out of like necessity and i was in london so i was interviewing women from all over the world

00:15:52.920 but i would find if there was ever like really really high femininity there would always be a catch

00:15:58.460 is that what you've seen like is that what you've seen or maybe you've seen other things

00:16:04.940 it's it's a mix it's a mix so sometimes it's actually because of religious upbringing and them being

00:16:11.880 very sheltered and still sheltered um because typically and you'll see it and you've probably

00:16:17.180 talked about it on your show there's definitely instances where they had a great father that was

00:16:21.280 very caring and very protective and you know before you knew it uh they ended up you know going to

00:16:27.500 college and all of that went out the window right so yeah sometimes life life humbles them sometimes

00:16:33.420 it's because of their background and what they're still remaining in um i definitely agree that it's

00:16:38.880 rarer to find in western countries for sure um but i've also experienced women who tend to stay to

00:16:46.360 themselves and are not really in the mix and you i don't want to say that they're female loners

00:16:52.200 but they're they're they normally won't catch the eye of most men unless they just happen to

00:16:57.840 be in the same proximity yeah um

00:17:01.900 of the men um that you said are like able to cheat in your experience what percent do

00:17:11.180 so not what you've read now what you've seen online like in your personal what you've seen in real life

00:17:15.720 if i had to put a genuine true number on it i would think 30 to 40 percent of men probably have cheated

00:17:24.760 um and this is going to be one of the first shocking things i'm going to say on your show

00:17:29.660 i think women cheat far more oh yeah far more they're better cheaters they're more secretive

00:17:35.300 about it they don't get the same punishments for doing that doing it like men will so yeah and and

00:17:42.420 even when they do cheat and they admit it to each other they don't view their cheating the same way

00:17:48.420 they view men's cheating so this is why they can still remain friends with homegirls that they knew

00:17:53.400 we're doing all this stuff on the side whereas for a man to do it they have to destroy his entire

00:17:59.420 life and character and legacy as a result um so yeah and this is the other thing when you're a guy

00:18:05.280 that other women when you're young or older um that's pretty attractive enough to kind of be around

00:18:11.180 women enough you'll be the guy that they're cheating with and you'll start to be like oh my gosh

00:18:17.040 like this how common is this and you and you always feel bad and you're like man i hope i'm never

00:18:22.140 that guy and you learn like these guys will never know a lot of these guys would never ever ever know

00:18:28.400 so i absolutely think that probably 30 to 40 percent of men cheat or have cheated and i i think that

00:18:35.540 number is probably 50 to 60 percent of women and i'm and i'm honestly probably being conservative

00:18:40.820 when i say that yeah and that doesn't include like messages and like like i'm assuming you're just

00:18:46.840 limiting it to physical cheating right yeah if you included women having like a work husband or

00:18:52.300 something else it would probably be even 80 or 90 percent

00:18:55.260 there's i don't know about 80 90 percent but what i i have observed yeah is that um there are other

00:19:05.000 things that i've seen the double standard when the things that they will go off in a man for in terms of

00:19:11.560 cheating or looking for attention validation outside the relationship they have no problem receiving

00:19:17.160 it on their end if if they see that their man their boyfriend their husband is liking another woman's picture

00:19:22.780 they will freak out but the idea of them making their profile private they're like why would i do that

00:19:30.780 he's controlling so they they just see these things like totally different like people liking their bikini pictures

00:19:37.480 that are not women they just was like that's just normal but him liking a woman who who who's half

00:19:44.960 naked or in a bikini is it's a problem so i don't think that they typically see their cheating and

00:19:51.440 they're seeking validation outside the relationship in quite the same way so that's why i actually think

00:19:56.200 the numbers are somewhat skewed to be a little bit higher and in your experience who's more likely to

00:20:01.980 forgive cheating men or women women but but i think women and men are in similar territory

00:20:12.160 with that i think it's only the men who aren't operating from a scarcity mindset that have no

00:20:18.440 problem with being like get out i'm good i will never see her talk to you again only the men that

00:20:23.880 know that they can easily replace her typically will do that most men if they know you know it's going

00:20:29.500 to be very difficult to replace her i have all this other stuff going on they'll just kind of endure

00:20:34.300 and try to go to therapy and try to work it out um whereas a lot of women despite the horrible stats

00:20:40.480 in terms of how much they initiate breakups and divorces oftentimes it's not after the first time

00:20:46.620 it's usually after repeated offenses that they eventually get to that point where they get jaded

00:20:51.580 they change their feelings and then they start planning their escape when the whole guy thinks that

00:20:55.720 we've moved on from it i think that there i want to see if you agree i think there's alpha and beta

00:21:01.820 cheating there's women that get um cheated on by guys with options and they'll usually stick it out

00:21:09.580 but there's nothing worse than a woman getting cheated on by a guy who she thinks who she thinks

00:21:14.940 can't those are like the biggest crash outs i've seen and i want to know if you agree or disagree

00:21:20.640 i never be i listen i never described it or conceptualized it in that way but now that i

00:21:26.800 think about it it does make sense that there seems to why is it that so many of her exes that are the

00:21:33.060 cheaters and the abusers she'll go through all this stuff with these guys and then it's the guy that's

00:21:38.660 the good guy one infraction and he's gone she's done yeah so there yeah i didn't describe it in that

00:21:45.100 way i think i'm gonna steal that from it's like jeff bezos's wife like because she like obviously

00:21:50.120 you know when they they got together he was like the nerdy kid you know and now he's cheating she's

00:21:56.580 like no because she doesn't see who he is not like she doesn't see who he is now like she sees she

00:22:04.140 still sees the guy she like started with i don't know yeah yeah uh is is the woman he's with now is

00:22:11.400 that his current is that his first wife or is this the second wife no this is the second he cheated on

00:22:15.680 his first wife with her okay so the second wife all i the only image i have of her forgive me for

00:22:22.920 this but like it was when they were on a red carpet and leonardo dicaprio was standing in front of the

00:22:27.560 two of them and seeing her face marveling at this man in front of her uh boyfriend slash husband was

00:22:34.800 like fascinating man i'm like he is a billionaire and she's still gawking at this other dude i'm like

00:22:40.060 oh ain't none of a safe man that woman has that woman has to be studied like we did like it's

00:22:47.400 just will smith jeff bezos uh uh steph curry it just doesn't seem to matter how high a guy gets

00:22:55.760 a woman will humble him by accident by accident sometimes it's amazing to see no if you look

00:23:02.980 at the last wife's dating history it's like had a kid with an nfl player then broke up with him

00:23:10.920 married a hundred million then broke up with him and married a billionaire and i'm like she still

00:23:17.380 has the ability to secure rings even though she has two different baby daddies and she's like 55

00:23:23.420 she collected them rings like infinity stones yeah that's what i said i said you know what there's

00:23:29.200 some women that you don't know what the hell they got because they're clearly she must gluck gluck or

00:23:34.660 something i don't know she got that thing that's all i know she got that thing i don't know okay um

00:23:42.180 so the next topic we're going to talk about is passport bros um what is your opinion on men that go

00:23:48.600 overseas to date do you think that's a good idea bad idea what's your general take on it

00:23:54.360 um i'm actually believe it or not fairly neutral because first of all these are grown men that can

00:23:59.540 do whatever they want with their money and their time and their energy um but with that said i want

00:24:04.580 men that are doing it to be very intentional and cautious with the country that they're doing that

00:24:09.260 in because a lot of times when men put themselves in these situations i know that men are going for

00:24:13.500 all hosts of different reasons some to find a feminine woman who they can build a life and family with

00:24:18.740 some because they just want to do sexual tourism some just for the sake of being able to have fun

00:24:24.120 during trips i get the whole nine right all these different reasons and rationales and justifications

00:24:29.100 for doing it cool my issue and concern is twofold one men have to recognize that what do you think

00:24:39.040 the men that are in some of these countries especially the countries where your dollar goes

00:24:42.600 further how do these men feel about you and you have to be cautious as more and more men that are coming

00:24:49.520 from your area doing the same thing these men will start to get more tribal and and possessive

00:24:55.880 about seeing all of these foreigners coming into their territory it's like a it's almost like a sexual

00:25:01.620 form of gentrification like it's a thing where people start seeing you creeping in and you know

00:25:07.560 you could actually start putting yourself a little bit at risk so make sure that you're kind of being

00:25:11.500 safe with the areas and environments that you're doing and putting yourself in and then number two

00:25:16.180 although it's fine to do that and it is what it is um i do wonder if there's men that haven't figured

00:25:25.700 out how to get some of the experiences that they're getting over there back here my issue is is like

00:25:33.380 i i'm in the camp that like i've learned that if you can if you can talk to the most beautiful women

00:25:40.060 in one country you can effectively do it everywhere um the differences is really just the expectations of what

00:25:46.120 is granted so these women in other countries can actually be just as forward and straight up front

00:25:51.460 about what it is that from a transactional standpoint they want from you the difference is they're just

00:25:56.520 softer more feminine when they do it um they still want something from you they're not just having sex

00:26:01.860 with you guys for free they're not like oh he's american cool let me let you smash it's really about

00:26:07.020 like you're still paying in some way shape or form i'm not going to use myron's quote of the whole

00:26:12.380 was that all women are gold diggers necessarily but they all 99 of them don't want you to come

00:26:19.380 with nothing to the table when you're approaching them so if you're going to do that abroad be safe

00:26:24.960 about it be smart about it and do you could you argue and i just had i'm just this is a thought

00:26:31.620 i'm playing with when women are the most valuable they almost gold dig the least because that's when

00:26:39.160 women will sleep with like anybody when they're young like the bartender it's like when we get

00:26:43.740 older than we have like money standards but like what 18 year old really um i don't see them gold

00:26:51.000 digging as much or do you see something different no no and this is kind of relates to like rollo and

00:26:57.080 other podcasters manosphere um mountaintop uh perspective of like women don't typically

00:27:04.740 truly understand what a decline from the mountaintop where on the mountaintop they start at the top

00:27:11.420 18 years old men their age men in their 20s men in their 30s and potentially men in their 40s are all

00:27:18.200 of a sudden checking for her she didn't have to do anything to earn it she's just now seen as valuable

00:27:23.640 she could depending on how beautiful she is she could get access to athletes doctors lawyers

00:27:28.440 celebrity men oh yeah um really wealthy people and she didn't have to do anything to accomplish it

00:27:33.420 and when you're born into something like that and it's reinforced for your first 10 to 12 years worth

00:27:40.120 of adulthood um i'm not shocked that many of them struggle with not seeing it takes them a while to

00:27:47.080 realize like it's not i'm not getting as much attention as i used to and as i'm getting older many of the

00:27:52.680 men that are younger than me i don't want and many of the men that are my age are starting not to check

00:27:57.580 for me it takes them a while for it to really really click and hit in and usually it's when men stop

00:28:02.720 offering drinks as much when they stop approaching them as much and probably in the i know i know the

00:28:08.740 telltale sign when they are in a room and a younger more fit beautiful woman walks in the room

00:28:15.160 and she no longer exists to the men the other men in the room that is usually when it starts to hit them

00:28:20.980 yeah i agree um so tell me the story of your dating apps in atlanta and chicago and how many likes you

00:28:32.840 got and what does that story tell us about modern society so um this story i have i don't know why

00:28:41.940 it's blowing up so much but um back in 2020 um i was on a couple dating apps i was on bumble which is

00:28:47.940 how i ended up meeting my wife um but at the time i think we were only two weeks into knowing each

00:28:53.060 other i still had a be okay which is a black uh dating app um up on my phone as well and uh early

00:29:00.260 early 2020 i had to do a layover flight to chicago and uh and i had to fly to atlanta sat in the airport

00:29:07.680 for two hours and then you know ended up in chicago and got off the plane and so this was only about

00:29:14.380 two and a half hours of downtime and when i got in the car i turned my phone on and i actually

00:29:19.040 checked the app and the app i forgot was on and it was going by my geolocation and when i opened up

00:29:26.380 my phone and opened up that app after two hours in atlanta in about 20 to 30 minutes in in chicago

00:29:31.920 i had about 72 to 74 women that had initiated and matched up with me from those two cities

00:29:39.220 within two hours almost almost 75 women and that is a reflection of two things one

00:29:48.380 the market is skewed for men that are that meet and check off certain requirements if if a lot of

00:29:58.340 women think that you're fairly educated if you carry yourself a certain way if your profile if you know

00:30:02.640 how to dress your profile up a certain way and if they can glean what you say you do for a living and

00:30:07.160 potentially how much you make if you land in a city god forbid if you stay in the city you have

00:30:14.500 a massive advantage over 80 plus percent of the men that's already there so just landing in the

00:30:21.500 airports not even walking around i had almost 80 women within a two and a half hour time span now

00:30:27.580 mind you i'm not a celebrity i'm not a model i'm not rich or even super rich and if those are my numbers

00:30:34.600 can you imagine the guys that actually live there the guys who are wealthy the guys who are athletes

00:30:41.260 it it's probably in the thousands and the reason why the reason why that story is so interesting

00:30:48.320 is because as women become more selective and believe that their optionality is unlimited of the all the

00:30:56.160 options and choices i have they don't really realize that when you're not your best version of yourself

00:31:02.600 the guy who gets that type of attention doesn't have to tolerate it doesn't have to commit and

00:31:10.020 will very quickly replace you with no hesitation or trouble and they don't realize that often until

00:31:17.560 it's too late when they're at a space and point where they're going to have much more difficulty

00:31:21.520 having children uh not having access to the same men that they may have had before and worse

00:31:27.220 they may be in a position where for the first time they have to reevaluate if if i am going to get

00:31:34.280 married if i am going to settle down it has to be with a man that wasn't my first second or third choice

00:31:39.320 and how did your matches compare because i think tinder's been on the market for 10 years now

00:31:46.160 so how did your matches compare from like today or then when you said you were 30 to like when you

00:31:52.900 were 20 or would that have been before were you on the apps before that no no i actually i had come

00:31:59.520 out of a previous relationship before that um so i i you know i had gotten married around 25 gotten

00:32:06.020 divorced around 29 and 30 i'm back out there in the streets and you know um i hadn't been on dating apps

00:32:12.420 before that so this was my first time really trying dating apps and i'm 30 by this point and i was like

00:32:19.660 whoa i didn't i didn't realize it was this easy but what i and what i didn't realize is that my

00:32:26.760 experience wasn't every man's experience i learned that over time with observation that some guys got

00:32:31.480 way crazier numbers than me and women by by doing this where men didn't have to pay a dowry they don't

00:32:39.200 have to meet your family they don't have to go to your church or your religious synagogue of some kind

00:32:43.960 they have to do almost the bare minimum of nothing other than being funny sounding cool and looking

00:32:49.420 good to get access to your body and potentially get you to give them a kid um they created a market

00:32:56.240 um probably unknowingly where men that can do that are now men that look like me are now having body

00:33:06.580 counts and men that look way better to me are now having body counts that's rivaling kings during medieval

00:33:12.240 time yeah and you're expecting those men all of those men that you want to want to be not only with

00:33:20.820 you but only you for the rest of your life and theirs interesting and so what was that like for you

00:33:27.900 because i'm sure um getting out of a and i don't know i'm not going to put words in your mouth so i'm not

00:33:33.940 going to say this was your experience but i know it's common for men to be taken for granted in their

00:33:38.580 marriages and so i always wonder what it's like to like almost beg or like um you know not maybe i

00:33:46.020 don't want to say that but like be in a position where you're trying to work it out with a woman

00:33:50.860 that doesn't appreciate you to going to the streets and it's like all these women are ready to go

00:33:55.720 i don't know if that was your experience so you could correct me but i'm curious what that would be

00:34:00.900 like i honestly genuinely look at it through the lens of and you know to protect her and and how

00:34:07.800 that past went i look at it i look at the past so much in terms of my fault my role and how things

00:34:14.020 unfolded i look at it now through the lens of i ignored red flags both in herself and me and i um

00:34:22.500 i was kind of that guy in college and settled with somebody who i thought i could be a good guy with

00:34:34.180 and i could be the dutiful guy and the thing that a lot of men is terrified about with marriage

00:34:40.020 unfortunately happened to me you get into these relationships and the version of woman that you

00:34:44.800 thought you were getting they change and you know before you know it i had the experience that a lot of

00:34:51.360 men unfortunately ended up experiencing which is the loneliest i ever felt in my life was when i was

00:34:57.640 married and was it like a weight off your shoulders when you got divorced like did you feel free yeah

00:35:08.460 um i will touch on that and and definitely my own content for sure but no it was it was the opposite

00:35:14.740 because when you go from trying to be a city boy and doing your thing and having fun it's different

00:35:19.640 women every week to all right now i'm married and and you know stuff hits the fan you functionally

00:35:27.240 feel like you were robbed of what you thought you were going to get you thought you were going to get

00:35:33.340 this and i'm like wait a minute so when i'm single this is how women treat me this is how often i get

00:35:40.080 sex this is how nice they are to me and how flirted like i'm getting all these great things that comes

00:35:45.420 when i'm single and then when we get familiar with each other and it's the everyday routine

00:35:50.840 things just shift and change and like me and many friends that i knew um for whatever reason um we

00:35:58.200 didn't pay attention to certain social cues and and in patterns and in history to recognize that that

00:36:05.160 was potentially something that could happen so when i came out i was actually devastated i don't think men

00:36:10.880 or women well there may be some women that approach marriage specifically with a plan in mind to leave

00:36:15.620 and get certain things as a result of it but i don't think almost any man goes into it thinking like

00:36:21.380 this is going to end in three or four years so when i came out um it wasn't a sigh of relief it was it was

00:36:27.020 brutal uh because for us we don't view it as as as some milestone or doing divorce parties we we see it as a

00:36:35.980 as a failure on our part um so i looked at it as a season in my life when i didn't live up to my

00:36:43.240 potential i probably put myself in that situation too soon and in hindsight it was like yeah i was

00:36:51.120 devastated uh i contemplated a lot of things about what the hell am i going to do with my life going

00:36:56.240 for i felt like life was over at that point so um it was brutal but luckily you know we were both still

00:37:02.560 younger we didn't have any children yeah we didn't have any major assets so it was a pretty clean

00:37:07.200 even split but no no no no no do you do you think men can have that lesson um without going through

00:37:14.500 it no like yeah that's what i don't because if you try to explain that to a young like i don't know

00:37:20.480 if you've ever and i'm not saying this is your situation but um just a common situation i've seen

00:37:26.800 um it sounds like yours was different but when guys like they like the guy who married let's say

00:37:33.180 riley reed or a guy that wants to simp or whatever it's like they can't learn unless they go through

00:37:38.880 it would you agree with that or disagree i do and i think that actually shockingly enough applies to

00:37:44.700 both men and women more often than not people tend to operate where they truly do believe that

00:37:51.320 they need to know why they should do or not do something they have to they have to get it um

00:37:58.780 and it's it's just it's it i almost want to say it's like a rite of passage where the difference

00:38:04.580 now what i will say is the difference of how it typically impacts men and women

00:38:08.520 men where it impacts them to the degree where they can't recover from it usually take themselves out

00:38:15.640 of this life yeah um men who go through it and overcome end up being much better much more

00:38:25.440 accomplished much more driven versions of themselves women who typically go through really really bad

00:38:32.740 situations especially if it happens multiple times they become worse versions of themselves where

00:38:39.700 they become so jaded so uh you know pessimistic about men and and before you know it like they

00:38:46.540 become this shell of themselves where they're they're no longer happy they're they're always

00:38:50.940 nagging they're always complaining and then before you know it they they're like a miserable person to

00:38:55.700 be around um whereas the men who tend to be like that they don't want to be around people

00:39:00.700 so that's kind of some of those the key things i've kind of noted yeah yeah women crash out you know

00:39:07.940 what that means to crash out i listen i have crashed out so i'm a crash out king so i i've been there yeah

00:39:16.140 listen with me going viral i'm waiting for my crash out moments of people's screenshots to come

00:39:23.640 back so i i know this is coming um so i'm probably gonna beat him to the punch and just you know when

00:39:29.200 i do my first intro video to my podcast to say hey everybody it's me i'm probably just gonna cover

00:39:33.760 it all get it out the way yeah that's actually a good idea because i don't know okay um so let's

00:39:40.180 talk about paternity tests so um you mentioned a stat that one in three paternity tests come back

00:39:46.020 with the men not being the father how did you research that and what has the impact of that

00:39:51.540 been on society and do you think it's always been this way

00:39:55.180 has it always been this way i just don't think we have enough data to go back that far to truly

00:40:03.460 truly know or determine that i will say that i have noticed in a lot of black families there's

00:40:11.980 always that one or two cousins that don't look like everybody else right and you always i don't know

00:40:18.680 you always you always kind of wonder that um but no so yeah stat after stat study after study kind of

00:40:24.820 saying the same thing um about 33 34 percent of paternity tests are always coming back as not

00:40:31.120 the person who was tested or the supposed to be father who was tested um if that's the numbers

00:40:37.740 because of who's been tested can you imagine what the numbers and percentages would be if all women

00:40:42.400 were tested and paternity tests were mandatory i'd envision it maybe so this is why i say what i said

00:40:48.300 about cheating being so high if a third of women that are getting tech the ones that's just getting

00:40:53.420 tested are showing that they're not the man that may potentially have been tested and thought he

00:40:58.340 was the father is not if a third one in every three women are showing this the this results and

00:41:06.500 i'm saying they're they're they're they're cheating stats may be as much if not higher than men especially

00:41:11.620 depending on the age range um i wouldn't be shocked at 40 to 45 percent of of all men that

00:41:19.820 are probably not the father of the child that they're raising so you actually think because

00:41:25.040 i always hear feminists are more like left anti-man i guess leaning folks um they argue that

00:41:32.840 well it's actually i even hear conservatives argue this because they can't believe women are that slutty

00:41:38.860 um that like they think it's because the people that are getting tested are going to be like a worse

00:41:46.200 sample size because they're the ones getting tested like that's always the pushback i get

00:41:50.760 um do you think that's a valid pushback or like why do you think it's higher

00:41:55.900 um because the cheating rates are higher okay it is sometimes we we we try to act like we don't see

00:42:05.280 what's really there yeah if the if the cheating's higher yeah more than likely the the paternity

00:42:11.980 test situation is probably a little bit higher as well yeah that's a good answer i wish i came

00:42:17.000 up with that i'm going to take that one sometimes i give guests arguments that i haven't been able

00:42:23.640 to answer and i'm like maybe they can come up with something better um okay so tell me about the

00:42:29.640 mountaintop analogy um yeah well as i had mentioned before 18 year old men and 18 year old women

00:42:38.180 start diametrically opposed with women typically being at the top and men typically being at the

00:42:43.640 bottom the only time men that are that young will be at the top is typically they have to be very

00:42:50.000 exceptional at something you were either born and you got the genetic lottery where you were born into

00:42:55.820 a wealthier rich family um you were a really high profile athlete that's about to go pro um things of

00:43:02.920 that nature would kind of increase his chances to kind of make the major jump and start off on the

00:43:08.300 top everybody else most guys are at varying degrees of very very low and the reason is because the

00:43:15.360 things that women are looking for in comparison to all the men that are approaching them you don't match

00:43:21.600 up or have you haven't done and accomplished most of those things have become most of those things at

00:43:26.260 18 years old you probably aren't making little to no significant money you potentially haven't built up

00:43:32.120 your physique and actually grown into your man body you don't own a home you may or may not have a car

00:43:36.640 you don't have much to show for what women that are dating and being you know approached by all these

00:43:43.300 men especially ones that are older than you would already have so as time goes on 18 to 25 she's hovering

00:43:52.400 in that top tier area and only the women that are exceptionally beautiful will typically stay very high up

00:43:59.580 there post 30. everybody else women wise start to make the the steep decline and whereas men at 18

00:44:09.760 you're at the bottom by the time you get to about 30 if you have not put yourself in any significantly

00:44:15.740 stupid situations um having to pay uh alimony having to pay child support having a record that prevents you

00:44:23.280 from being able to get into a lot of uh fields to be able to make really good decent money if you've built

00:44:28.420 up your money if you built up your body if you've avoided some of those financial pitfalls by the

00:44:33.540 time you reach 30 you're now the guy that can date 30 year olds 20 year olds and even the 19 uh the 18

00:44:41.040 and 19 year olds if you if that's your thing um so over time we get to a point right around 30 where

00:44:48.560 now i think for a lot of women because they're so used to being up there they assume that the guy

00:44:53.580 that's 30 that now checks off all those boxes him and her are now equals no you're not he's up here

00:45:00.920 he now sees you as middle tier or down here if he's up here he's comparing you to all the women that

00:45:09.860 look like you all the women that are your age at 30 and all the women that are a little bit older

00:45:14.360 and a little bit younger but potentially have had less negative experiences and more positive

00:45:19.500 attitudes towards men so for whatever reason um men don't know that their value tends to mature

00:45:26.960 later on and women lose sight of what they're being valued for until it's often too late i almost think

00:45:34.400 it's uh sooner these days than 30 because like but no i'm serious i'm like looking at gen z they're

00:45:41.000 like tatted up and fat i'm like this uh yeah i even i even have a i have a little sister here

00:45:48.040 she she was tatted up by like 22 i'm like why would you do that and it's like um but it's so common in

00:45:56.680 their age group like they all do it yeah now the thing that the women who in terms of this mountaintop

00:46:02.880 analogy because many of them aren't truly aware of what men use as distinguishing tools be tools to kind

00:46:10.640 discern between the woman i'm going to have fun with uh recreational sex with and the woman i'm

00:46:15.360 probably going to take seriously they don't know that overt sexuality is one of the worst things you

00:46:22.780 can do to prevent men from wanting to see you in wife material there is a reason why men are not

00:46:30.160 lining up at the strip clubs with with engagement rings saying i'm ready to find my wife in here

00:46:34.800 like we're we're going for entertainment we're going to have fun we're not going in there because

00:46:41.500 we're looking for our long-term lifelong partner but you're doing and acting and displaying all the

00:46:48.180 same things we're seeing in those settings and then you're shocked when that decreases the pool of men

00:46:54.440 that would be willing to see you differently so the women that are doing only fans they're not factoring

00:47:01.360 this part in that the men that typically are going to be okay with that are the men that most other men

00:47:09.320 don't respect and most other women don't want now you can get the simp that got the money you say well

00:47:15.080 i got the lifestyle i tricked him into marrying me and he still lets me do what i want that's cool

00:47:20.240 but we all know that you're with a loser we know it we get it and nobody would trade places with you

00:47:27.680 regardless of how much he got going on so when you when you do these type of things that kind of

00:47:33.520 harms you um before you know it men are not only not seeing you on a pedestal they're not even seeing

00:47:40.200 you at their level especially if he's done well over the from 18 to 30 12 year run so a lot of times

00:47:47.020 they don't realize i i've gone through it where when i was younger i would try to shoot my shot and

00:47:51.980 try to you know chase after certain women or whatever and then when i got to that 30 ish 29 30

00:47:57.720 ish range i started seeing the woman that i was so sprung for when i was younger i now don't see them

00:48:03.180 the same way the the thing where i would tolerate the bad attitude the the the inconsistency the the

00:48:10.660 flightiness the ghosting and all of that now that i'm older and making a little bit more money

00:48:16.000 and having more options and traveling you think i'm gonna tolerate that you think i'm even gonna respond

00:48:20.940 back to you and they don't know that when that switch happens that whole saying of if she didn't

00:48:27.660 accept you in her prime don't marry her in her decline that's a real thing that men who start

00:48:34.400 to level up will absolutely embrace without anybody having to teach or tell them that so for a lot of ladies

00:48:40.400 it's highly highly important for them to try to take advantage of like you said when you're your

00:48:46.340 youngest most fertile most desired self be smarter and and get out the game as soon as you can

00:48:52.620 the strip club is almost better than church these days oh my girl

00:48:58.580 listen all i'm gonna say is is king of diamonds in atlanta got the best chicken wings and they got

00:49:10.820 great brunch on sundays okay but but but i'm not gonna say it's better than church i'm not gonna

00:49:15.620 say it's better than church but i will the wings the wings is good though at least at least the strippers

00:49:21.860 are up front they're like i'm a whore the the they just go to the church after and put a dress on

00:49:29.620 what's crazy you know what's crazy is when you are when you're younger and you go to those type of

00:49:35.700 environments if you spend enough time and you have enough charisma when you get to know a lot of those

00:49:43.540 women many of them aren't what people think they are it we assume it's only the women who are posting

00:49:51.540 their cash apps when in strip clubs and are only fans that are obviously doing this stuff

00:49:57.380 the women who are doing it all we're never on stage they were never on stage it it was it was

00:50:05.940 it was fascinating to see that a lot of the the strippers and dancers and professional dancers many

00:50:11.140 of them had the skill set of being able to almost compartmentalize what they're doing and for some of

00:50:17.220 them they're like i literally just dance and that's it and i go home that's the end of it i make great

00:50:23.620 money i'd be stupid not to make this money and then their perspective is like when when this is over

00:50:28.820 i'm done with this lifestyle and that's it um now obviously that's not the case with all strippers

00:50:34.340 but many of them they actually aren't doing a lot of the stuff that maybe your home girls are doing

00:50:39.940 that you may have no idea why so-and-so always going out on trips every two months and she and she

00:50:44.740 and she works at a job where she can't afford to do that and she's not a dancer she doesn't have only

00:50:49.780 fans but she's traveling all the time and you start to put two and two together many of the

00:50:55.540 common normal girls are doing way more than the women that's more overt about it i think that only

00:51:02.180 fans women as someone who's spent time in like um a protestant church for a few years and also um

00:51:10.580 interviewed only fans women i think only fans women have a better shot at getting married than the

00:51:15.620 awkward girls in church because they're hotter and there's hotter number one and two the church

00:51:24.260 girls just end up like basically married to the pastor that's okay so yeah they basically marry the

00:51:32.180 pastor and then they just go out like their whole social life becomes the church and then there's like

00:51:37.620 two chads in church that the girls all wait for and then they just reject everyone else and then

00:51:43.380 like like i've met women that are 30 year old i mean allegedly right i don't believe anybody

00:51:49.940 but allegedly 30 year old women in church telling me they rejected a guy because he's not holy because

00:51:55.940 he tried to smash i'm like virginity doesn't count after 25 they're just gonna assume you did something

00:52:01.220 it doesn't it does not count it doesn't count after 25 oh my god no i don't think it does because like

00:52:09.300 it's only valuable if you're young like like because what the guys aren't gonna wait you have to be

00:52:15.620 pretty hot maybe if you're really really hot they'll pretend to believe you but yeah yeah but i'm talking

00:52:23.140 most of the church girls that i met this is the archetype fives slightly chubby usually very awkward

00:52:30.980 uh celibate for like allegedly celibate for two three years cooked done the girls just coming up

00:52:38.740 front and saying i'm a whore use me they have a better shot they have a better shot my opinion

00:52:44.660 i'm gonna tell you this about this whole everybody supposedly was a virgin thing um i did not learn until

00:52:53.300 college about these women that were claiming to be virgins and putting it in other holes

00:53:00.820 and i'm like you do know that still counts as sex right no but i'm not i'm still a virgin i was like

00:53:07.860 ma'am like you don't see like the ability to compartmentalize how they can excuse their behaviors

00:53:15.940 is fascinating to me um so yeah so i i've i've experienced that i i've seen it i've heard like

00:53:22.100 i've literally been told by women especially when i was in college that that was a thing i even knew

00:53:27.060 women that were doing that and that was that was a thing and for whatever reason they they and you're

00:53:34.100 right that there's all there almost always will be a guy that will be willing to still accept the lies

00:53:39.860 and the delusion well and the other thing too is it's gonna we can't really predict how normalized

00:53:46.100 some of this stuff is gonna be like we have to think back a hundred years ago i mean a woman was

00:53:50.980 expired at like 23. now no i'm serious so we have no idea like i i think i when you said like men won't

00:53:59.700 accept the only fans i think men will accept the only fans unfortunately i don't wish it but i i've

00:54:06.020 been to places with high level like guys that i i would say that women would want to be with and like

00:54:12.980 most men would respect i don't and i i asked them i'm like hey would you overlook an only fans when she

00:54:19.460 was younger like she did it two years no on camera corn and i couldn't believe how many guys said

00:54:26.020 yeah they would accept it yeah i could get past that guys that say oh i won't do the tat like that

00:54:31.140 was the one thing i learned interviewing people is i thought guys when they said that like their

00:54:34.900 standards they meant it yeah and then i would look and i'm like i knew your girlfriend before she met you

00:54:41.540 and she was not the things you're saying you know what i mean so yeah i yeah i'm a little bit more

00:54:46.900 black filled i think like um i think you're gonna see a lot of like um guys end up accepting only fans

00:54:55.380 unfortunately but and it's partially because women are so fat because they're like you know what if i

00:55:01.300 have to deal with they have to like weigh it they're like if i have to deal with a fat woman

00:55:05.300 or a bipolar like it's like okay the fat girl the bipolar hot girl or the girl that's nice but with

00:55:13.380 an only fans i think now obviously the choices are going to vary for each guy but i just think at some

00:55:19.700 point a guy is going to say good enough unfortunately there are men so a lot of the men that you're

00:55:26.100 describing i would argue are simpson disguise okay these are individuals who may have been late bloomers

00:55:33.620 uh financially uh physically and because they weren't used to being able to pick a better caliber

00:55:43.140 of women when they finally start getting attention to it they just almost like gravitated and formed an

00:55:49.620 attachment with one of the ones that kind of was quick enough to get to him she's pretty she's

00:55:54.340 beautiful she's feminine she treats me well um five years ago ten years ago i wasn't getting this and

00:56:00.500 she's hot i'll accept her pass that happens all the time um what i'm suggesting is is that the guy

00:56:07.940 what i the guy that every woman wants is the guy that won't actually accept it

00:56:18.180 the guy who has stand what i'm basically saying is a lot of the women that say they want a certain type

00:56:24.660 of caliber of man they wouldn't even know where to find him if you pointed him out they don't know

00:56:29.380 what lounges to go to they don't know what events they don't know what conferences so they assume that

00:56:35.860 the gym or at work or or or just it's just gonna find me or he's gonna he's gonna pull up in my dms

00:56:43.380 that the man that every woman wants he's typically not doing most of those things

00:56:50.740 he's going to a private gym he's going to a social club he's going to conferences he works 70 hours a

00:56:57.300 week this individual is so hard to actually come into the same spaces with and if you weren't raised

00:57:04.420 by a mom or aunt or somebody to put you on game you're just going to be going by trial and error

00:57:10.340 through man after man after man so unfortunately um yeah there are men that's going to accept it

00:57:16.740 the women who see those men that accept women that live that way or have acted that way or are

00:57:22.820 still doing it they don't even want those men but wouldn't wouldn't your grandfathers call you guys

00:57:29.460 all simpsons disguise like they're like like imagine like a guy from the 1920s right and he said like

00:57:35.700 you were accepting a non-virgin woman as a wife do you know what i mean like back then either like we

00:57:42.100 got to stop we got to stop we got to stop i mean whatever damage okay but whatever damage they did

00:57:48.100 they're like my grandma was married at like 16 i think 18. so i mean okay there might have been

00:57:55.780 you know girl if grandma was getting if grandma getting married at 16 she was putting out at 15.

00:58:00.420 you hear me no i know at 15. everybody was no virgin 40 60 years right okay but you can

00:58:07.700 but you could still say that with the eight they could say like you know the list is going to go

00:58:12.260 on and on like the women of the past were in better shape they married younger they knew how to do more

00:58:18.740 and what we've seen is every generation of guys just keeps accepting it like i don't well well with

00:58:24.660 that you you say that marriage rates are declining and men are also going overseas then maybe this

00:58:32.020 generation of men isn't as simpy as we're making them out to be mactile men going their own way

00:58:37.220 actually is something so if men are going their own way there's a male loneliness epidemic and men are

00:58:43.460 going abroad then a lot of men actually aren't signing up to get married period let alone to the

00:58:49.700 women in the states right but but i wish men were going abroad but the stats don't really say that in

00:58:55.940 mass like the women the women are the ones that are mostly female travelers like women are like 80

00:59:02.820 of solo trial it's not really women like it's more women that do it than men and yeah yeah and like

00:59:09.940 you know i'm with you i'm just i don't i just foresee like marriage getting pushed to be like older

00:59:16.180 and older and older in the future i think it's going to be like 35 40. i think it's not going to be i

00:59:22.260 think like um the only fans is going to bleed even into like business settings where like oh lord

00:59:27.620 yeah i i think like you're gonna fret like even in business settings there might be like a wife

00:59:33.380 or two there where like she did only fans when she was young do you know i want to predict i'm going

00:59:38.420 to predict something as well and tell me what you think about this i predict that it's going to be

00:59:44.340 polygyny and polygamy is actually going to be as normalized as only fans the next 15 years

00:59:50.580 i agree two ways though and the reason why i say the whole all these men can't be simps is because

00:59:56.580 there's too many women complaining about where's the good men if if we're all projecting out then in

01:00:01.940 2030 a huge percentage of women are going to be childless and single and a lot of men is a male

01:00:07.940 loneliness epidemic then a lot of people actually aren't getting married or staying married so my view

01:00:13.460 is is that actually all these women are not going to stay single for the rest of their lives

01:00:19.060 they're actually going to start sharing what you think i agree but they'll share share until they

01:00:25.460 get married like i think i think i'm talking about openly yeah like atlanta georgia two years ago a

01:00:34.100 friend a friend of ours uh she had a little house get together for a birthday and a girlfriend of hers

01:00:38.900 that was living and staying in atlanta had flown up and she was telling us that the dating market was so

01:00:44.660 lopsided because so many of the men down there were gay or bi that the ratio of men was was anywhere

01:00:52.260 between five to one to seven to one in terms of women to straight men so she was saying there were

01:00:57.860 men who were going out on dates with three women that's awesome like right now right now in atlanta

01:01:04.820 there's men going on dates with multiple women no so they're not going to wait for marriage they're

01:01:10.580 going to go many of them are going to go if if you get to 35 to 40 in this culture where everything's

01:01:18.020 on social media and everybody wants to show that they got the ring and everybody wants to show a

01:01:21.700 certain lifestyle you're either going to settle for a guy you really didn't want you're going to stay

01:01:28.500 single or you may potentially be girlfriend number two three or four yeah so i agree with you but they

01:01:35.860 do that in their 20s like dan bolzerian they all follow all his ex-girlfriends and they're all married

01:01:42.420 now but they're sharing dan bolzerian in their 20 oh yeah they're like they're on the jets i can't yeah

01:01:48.740 and so women are but this idea that women will be happy with the alpha guy like i i do alpha beta i hate

01:01:55.460 the terms i just can't think of a better you know term but women aren't happy with anything so like

01:02:02.660 you know for example i'll take i'll take yeah no like this idea that like because the thing is when

01:02:09.780 you date a guy with options women take that in my opinion you could disagree if you want but the women

01:02:17.860 can take that for so long but sometimes most women crash out because the anxiety just gets to them

01:02:24.020 um a case i think of is katy perry russell brand you know she yeah she had you know she had russell

01:02:30.580 brand she was super happy then she crashed out then she married orlando bloom did the beta thing for a

01:02:36.260 while crashed out again now she'll be back you know i mean we've seen rollo's charts just you know

01:02:41.460 women the most uncomfortable thing is women are kind of designed to be passed around it's just yeah

01:02:46.740 uh i wouldn't their their biology i actually don't think that's true i if if anybody biology is

01:02:57.940 designed to be passed around it's men well okay yeah our bio our biology is literally designed for us to

01:03:06.100 not well then why aren't women with one why aren't women with one man for life why did women have to

01:03:11.700 like what you have to understand if i was married to someone on the tribe and my guy got killed i had

01:03:17.540 to get passed like i had to get passed to survive you know victims of war every guy that's married

01:03:25.860 you're like every guy that's married your wife most likely belonged to someone else before you

01:03:30.420 it's like everybody so like listen i get the past around like my view is at like when i what i'm coming

01:03:38.180 from is through the lens that our biology is hardwired for men to be able to have meaningless

01:03:44.180 and commitmentless sex i think women are trying to match our energy and it's ending up poor for them

01:03:49.540 i don't think that they're designed to do it i think that's why um for them you know uh so many

01:03:56.820 other uh physiological things are going on during sex and when they're climaxing and how they'll react

01:04:02.660 can respond as a result of it in comparison to us men we don't have to know your name we we don't

01:04:09.300 have to we don't have to know who you are ever see you again now there are women that move like that

01:04:14.180 but the majority of women do want to feel safe feel like they you know that that there's some type of

01:04:19.220 form of connection feel like he's fairly charismatic there's all these other hoops that women have to

01:04:23.860 think through to get to that point to do that especially if they're not doing like my view is this

01:04:28.660 women women that try women that can match men that have a very very high body count more often than

01:04:38.020 not there's usually something wrong they they end up having they're either working in an industry

01:04:43.940 the sex industry they they're crashing out they're spiraling and for a woman to have sex with a

01:04:50.260 different man every week something is wrong well for a man to do hold on for a man to do that yeah he rich

01:04:57.220 or he looks good that's it well i'm not saying that maybe women have the same sexual variety as say

01:05:04.820 like men i'm not saying we're the same but if women were designed to be monogamous why is it when we

01:05:10.820 unleashed all the freedoms women fought not for nothing more than to be even when women

01:05:19.300 even when women get the top guy they leave him anyway you know it's like yeah i won't i won't use

01:05:25.380 that word in terms of whores but i know i'll i'll give you several points in response to that number

01:05:31.060 one in order to have choice and be able to grow we must be allowed to make mistakes so the problem

01:05:40.740 is is that we i think for whatever reason we assume that every you literally said it yourself earlier

01:05:49.380 men and women typically have to make mistakes um in order to kind of learn from them right the issue

01:05:54.900 is that what if i was to say that i actually don't think it's necessarily about women wanting to be

01:06:01.780 whores as much as they want the freedom to choose but also the freedom from the consequences of that

01:06:09.620 choice when they've chosen poorly that's very different than all women want to be whores what i'm

01:06:15.860 distinguishing is no there's there's certain women that do that as a lifestyle but in terms of just

01:06:22.740 having sex with rampant men a huge percentage of these women that are racking up 10 guys 20 guys 30

01:06:28.980 guys 40 even 40 guys they're racking it up because they want the freedom to be able to choose the guy

01:06:35.860 that they think that they can latch on to and connect with and build with potentially long term but when it

01:06:41.780 doesn't work out or he cheats i'll say it this way on the sharing my truth uh podcast i basically said

01:06:49.540 something along the lines of i noticed this pattern with women coming in and out of relationships in

01:06:54.100 and out of relationships in our relationships and most of them are always the ones that's initiating the

01:06:57.940 breakup and a lot of times it's about cheating and i'm saying wait wait a minute and i'm talking to

01:07:02.500 the one-on-one and i'll say things like wait let me get this straight you don't want the man that most

01:07:09.300 women don't want and ignore you don't want to date women you don't want to stay by yourself you only

01:07:16.660 want to date the men that all other women are also attracted to and want and you keep leaving him every

01:07:22.900 time he does the thing that attracted you which is messing around with other women and i asked him

01:07:28.660 this simple question if you had to choose between one man and giving him 20 choices or 20 men and giving

01:07:37.460 them one chance which would you choose woman after woman after woman i don't tolerate cheating first

01:07:46.900 or second time i'm done and my argument is wait a minute that's how you're building up the body

01:07:53.060 counts that's how people like pearl and people in black pill are calling y'all whores and all this

01:07:58.740 other stuff it's actually because you want the freedom to choose and you want the freedom to leave

01:08:04.900 but you don't want to deal with the consequences that comes with constantly going from man to man

01:08:09.220 to man you don't want to deal with the labels you want to deal with the stigma you don't want to deal

01:08:13.140 with the judgment so i wouldn't say that by and large all women are in america are trying to be

01:08:19.140 whores i think it is that they want the freedom of not their father not their mother not their church

01:08:25.380 not anybody else being able to dictate who they have access to who they want to pursue who they want to

01:08:30.740 date and who they want to marry they want the freedom to choose that but they actually want

01:08:34.660 the freedom from the consequences once they've chosen poorly what do you think well i think it

01:08:39.460 goes back to revealed preferences versus stated preferences okay so i can only watch what we're

01:08:45.700 doing so you know you could say that like women want to be in relationships but i don't think women do

01:08:52.180 i think men want relationships more than women to be honest um and the truth is right now we have

01:08:58.180 hinge and any even an average girl on hinge you can get like i know overweight women with like five

01:09:05.700 six seven ten thousand matches you can filter by age you can filter by height now i'm not saying like

01:09:13.460 obviously there's going to be a percentage of guys that smash and pass there's going to be a

01:09:18.420 percentage of guys you don't like but i mean out of like ten thousand come on there's somebody in

01:09:23.860 there that'll date you and it'll work out with if women wanted it they would do it and we're releasing

01:09:29.220 all the restraints and what i'm seeing is that women would rather be whores than wives and i see

01:09:36.180 this based on um i think 20 of women in gen z are on only fans so when women have the most choice between

01:09:44.980 18 to 25 and that's when i think when you have the most buying power that's when you see what people

01:09:49.700 really want to do you know like it's like the billionaire the millionaire you know they get

01:09:54.340 money and they start doing this crazy stuff well they always wanted to do it they just couldn't

01:09:58.180 they didn't have the money so that's why i just think um i i've i think there's something in our

01:10:05.620 biology that we're not as monogamous as we originally thought unfortunately listen it's definitely possible

01:10:14.100 i don't know that the evolutionary psychology really truly backs that up as much as are women

01:10:20.100 in modern times using sex as a strategy up front instead of later as an incentive to convince these

01:10:28.420 men to try to get with them i think that's also happening too i think a lot of times there's women

01:10:34.820 it's not even about like going through a million men on hinge as much as when it is the guy that they want

01:10:40.020 this is what i have to give what any god has expressed interest in me before so i need to

01:10:44.980 kind of present this early and up front as soon as possible and then he doesn't want it because

01:10:49.460 he's like man she she smashed me on the first night how often is she doing this she's on only

01:10:53.460 fans too i'm out and now she's like all right let me try to use sex again and and a lot of times

01:10:58.500 it's like what it is is i'm not always i'm not an eternal optimist again people call me a red pill

01:11:05.140 therapist it's just that human psychology is sometimes a little bit more complex that we try

01:11:10.020 to reduce it to in terms of black and white stuff and i know that a lot of women are using sexuality

01:11:16.980 as the mating strategy to try to lock these men down don't women use kids to try to lock men down

01:11:23.780 yeah so why wouldn't they all many of them try to also use sex but what happens if the thing that

01:11:29.940 they keep displaying up front and early is the actual thing that that's the deterrent once he

01:11:34.820 has post nut clarity and they're not making that connection so when you go through a decade worth of

01:11:40.900 doing this and you're in your and now you're 30 and things still haven't worked out and you're like i

01:11:46.260 know guys like sex they want sex i'm giving it up front and it's still not working out what am i doing

01:11:53.060 wrong they're not working with a therapist to kind of point them through that loop so that's really

01:11:58.420 you know now is that the case for all women of course not but that's where it comes from where

01:12:02.820 some in my field and uh and you know discipline i have to look at all these different motivating

01:12:09.060 factors for why we get stuck in these type of loops right but it's always like convenient that they

01:12:14.740 start like they start looking for solutions when they have less choice do you know what i mean like

01:12:22.100 it's like if you really wanted to be in a relationship like you you would have done it

01:12:28.740 you know no it there's a difference between being in a relationship and being in the the relationship

01:12:34.420 you want they're using sex to try to lure and get the men that they want to want them long term

01:12:43.940 they're using sex and the men that they want other women want and these men are like nope nope nope nope nope

01:12:51.540 nope uh actually y'all i'm not getting married at all like that also that's that's happening a lot

01:12:57.300 so you know i i get it um i i get that people you know feel like the women of today are probably the

01:13:05.620 worst ever and there might be some evidence to that but but my view is and you're right they do

01:13:11.220 tend to start to level out and start to wake up once they would hit that 30 35 ish well i just i don't

01:13:16.740 think women are as monogamous as people previously believed that's really my opinion i think women

01:13:22.020 are like i i don't really buy that like women are as monogamous as we thought would you say it's not

01:13:30.420 that they're necessarily as monogamous as they are possessive um can you say the question in a different

01:13:38.340 way i don't really understand what you're asking what i'm asking is is it are we confusing women

01:13:46.900 being monogamous with with being possessive of men so what i'm basically saying is what is it about women

01:13:53.860 breaking up relationships when he steps outside of the monogamy so she's punishing him for not being

01:14:01.140 monogamous that's often the case with most relationships that's why a lot of women are leaving

01:14:06.580 because he's stepping outside of the monogamous agreement you said earlier that i'm saying is

01:14:12.260 but what if it's more so that that actually they're not necessarily monogamous by nature

01:14:18.500 they're possessive by nature when he's mine he's mine and i don't have to share him so i'll agree with

01:14:25.060 you maybe women aren't necessarily maybe we're confusing monogamy with possessiveness once they've

01:14:29.780 locked the guy down they're maybe they're not as monogamous as we thought they're actually possessive

01:14:35.140 once they believe a man belongs to them women are definitely possessive but um

01:14:42.580 no i still don't think women are as monogamous as we thought yeah maybe and let's say i grant you that

01:14:50.020 i agree with you and let's take out the word monogamous and say possessive women are actually

01:14:56.820 very possessive of the men that they they want and are with but maybe they aren't as monogamous as we used

01:15:03.860 to think and i can say you know what there's probably some significant data i haven't looked

01:15:07.940 into that probably reflects you being actually right about that i mean it's not data i just look outside

01:15:17.860 you said yourself that's what i was gonna say that women cheat more than men

01:15:21.380 so i just look at what's going on no no no it is definitely fair um yeah i think that they're more

01:15:27.860 possessive so that makes sense okay um so why do you see men sticking it out in relationships and women

01:15:35.540 not in your field oh yeah uh the number one central reason is the elevation or centralization around

01:15:44.020 happiness men will stay in undesirous marriages and relationships for a whole host of reasons it could

01:15:51.780 be because of that's what he's used to for the sake of the kids for the sake of finances for the sake of

01:15:57.940 his name and his brand and his legacy and a whole host of things um even when he's not getting sex um

01:16:05.300 you know whereas on the flip side person after person of the person that i talk to uh women are

01:16:12.100 kind of being reinforced this thing that the most important thing is your happiness and i've asked women

01:16:17.300 flat out if you had to choose between your own happiness or the happiness or the happiness of

01:16:24.180 your family nine out of ten times they're choosing their own happiness so that's what i think is

01:16:31.780 believe it or not the answer it's they have a higher elevated view of the importance of happiness

01:16:37.700 than oftentimes their male counterparts because if men prioritize happiness how about this if men reacted

01:16:45.780 to women the way that women react to their channeling and responded to their happiness and

01:16:50.820 to men cheating if men responded and have the same expectations with women in regards to sexual

01:16:56.900 fidelity in a relationship you've made this man commit to you and made sure that he's to be sexually

01:17:02.580 exclusive and monogamous with you and you've said the only if you're going to get sex it's going to

01:17:06.740 be through me as your wife or girlfriend and when you opt and choose for weeks months years to not offer this

01:17:14.420 man sex sex when he can supposed to only get it from you you're being as unfaithful as he is when he

01:17:22.180 cheats it's just that he'll oftentimes still stay and endure it and you'll leave when he's unfaithful

01:17:28.980 so men are not prioritizing their happiness and that's why they're being left when they could be unhappy

01:17:37.540 the whole time as well and will choose and opt to stay versus their women female counterparts so i think

01:17:42.660 it's centralizing happiness honestly i'm pro more men divorcing oh i think it would be a better place

01:17:51.460 if more men put their happiness first uh what i i would agree with you if we put that up front instead

01:17:59.700 of after the marriage has started and kids are involved i actually would prefer that if you're going to

01:18:06.660 move like women and prioritize your happiness over your kids happiness over the stability of the home

01:18:14.020 over all these other things if you're going to start moving like that if you're going to start

01:18:18.500 thinking like that i would much rather you move and think like that not being married because it's

01:18:24.100 just it because again if you do that it doesn't matter if you initiate it how does the family court see

01:18:30.340 you well you know what i'm saying yeah but so that's the thing but an unhappy woman will just

01:18:35.860 destroy the kids anyway and she'll destroy and she'll destroy him if he initiates too so my perspective

01:18:42.900 is as a man if you're going to move that way and try to match her energy and if you think you're going

01:18:47.700 to move in that approach first of all don't get married and then number two um i would highly highly

01:18:53.380 highly suggest that you figure out a way to decrease um her propensity for being stuck on and and so for

01:19:02.500 instance guys will we do this to ourselves i did this we start the process off wrong when we elevate

01:19:12.580 these women above our purpose so when you elevate women above your purpose and you put her on the

01:19:18.100 pedestal she believes she and her happiness is always central in the most high ideal what we need

01:19:24.180 to work towards happy wife happy life that that concept so when you've started off the dating in

01:19:31.940 marriage component with her and her happiness being the most important thing in this relationship

01:19:40.420 you're now just getting the consequences of something you set up from the beginning

01:19:44.100 so if you if you sense her as a woman it's only it has to be her way it's it's always what she wants

01:19:51.700 it's always going to the last thing you better do is give that woman kids or a ring so when you see a

01:19:58.980 telsa when a woman starts for a grown woman starts referring to herself as a princess run when a grown

01:20:05.140 woman is idolizing all these famous celebrity women run when a grown woman is saying and constantly

01:20:11.060 comparing what she's doing in her relationship with you with what she's seeing with her friends and on

01:20:15.220 social media run because she's elevating happiness is the highest ideal and not commitment not not

01:20:23.620 not longevity not her oath it is her happiness the most i'm gonna say something and i know i'm gonna

01:20:30.660 get killed for this and i'm just starting with podcasting women are not loyal to you as a man

01:20:37.460 women are loyal to their feelings and if their feelings are positive about you she'll be positive

01:20:43.940 towards you but if her feelings are negative towards you she will not be loyal to you so if you look

01:20:50.340 at it through that lens the woman who has the elevated view of her feelings and emotions and her

01:20:54.980 happiness she'll never be loyal to you she never was she was loyal to her feelings about you does

01:21:01.220 that make sense oh it makes perfect sense whenever we say anything i just add like right now you know i

01:21:08.900 love you right now i think this right now so yeah no i totally agree with you um what do you think

01:21:20.820 about the married men are happier stat do you think that is true um conservatives always cite that married

01:21:27.540 men are happier i personally think that um their wives are sitting next to them so they got

01:21:33.540 oh no uh i i don't believe any of these stats when it comes to happiness uh scales okay and part of the

01:21:44.980 reason is because there's too many variables that are not being included these are oftentimes simple

01:21:50.500 yes or no questions that's a little bit more complicated than i think we want to acknowledge and

01:21:54.260 realize so for instance all these women that are claiming to be happy when they are single i'm like well at the

01:22:03.220 same time we i'm seeing all this data that's saying the highest level of of diagnoses for anxiety and

01:22:09.860 depression is in this population the highest level of prescription antipsychotics and antidepressants

01:22:16.100 is in this same population and they have the high student loan debt they they're they're leading the

01:22:21.540 lead in consumer spending they they have these mortgages that they're trying to shoulder by themselves

01:22:27.460 and yet they they're the happiest people on the planet that that that's not adding up to me so that's

01:22:34.020 why i like these stats the the the this data about who's the happiest and all that the if anything i think

01:22:40.580 all of these things are alive because it's convincing women you are your happiest when you're when you're by

01:22:47.780 yourself in perpetuity and men are the happiest when they put themselves in marriages especially

01:22:54.900 in the west and i'm like who's pushing who's pushing these articles who's pushing these studies

01:23:00.340 that's telling men to keep getting married and telling women you're your happiest when you're single

01:23:05.700 and i'm like i i don't i don't buy it i don't buy it and plus pulling women on happiness it's like one

01:23:12.100 day we're happy one day we're not you know it's like what day did you take the study literal neuroticism

01:23:19.300 is is more expressed and oh so sorry for the fans everybody watching neuroticism is the

01:23:26.260 wide range of expression of emotions and feelings women seem to display more emotions good and bad both

01:23:34.420 extremes and the female population in comparison to men or males so like you said day in and day out

01:23:41.220 it depends on the day it depends on the day so i'm like no no no no i don't buy it don't buy it

01:23:48.740 women cope with not being happy with student debt student loan debt consumer spending alcoholism

01:23:55.540 so why do you think that is um two of those you said consumer debt uh student loan debt and alcoholism yeah

01:24:07.300 um because these are three easy things that they have very easy control over um like for instance um

01:24:16.260 it's it's extremely difficult to really put anything else in those areas um that that can't continue to

01:24:23.460 sustain the lifestyle that they're trying to live so for instance um when i'm alone when i don't have

01:24:28.820 much going on um i can always fall back on my degree i can always fall back on my job i could always fall back

01:24:35.700 on the things that kind of help self-soothe me to make me feel like because what it's doing is

01:24:40.260 reinforcing my ability to be able to still live the lifestyle i want even if there's some drawbacks to

01:24:46.420 it so for instance um you know if if you know in this most of me most recent administration um as dei and

01:24:57.300 other things have kind of happened you're seeing a kind of change in tone with certain populations within

01:25:03.140 of the female population because a lot of them started getting layoffs now that whole that whole

01:25:09.300 i can cope with my job thing or i don't need a man thing we're not hearing that as much as we was

01:25:13.620 hearing in november so a lot of times it's because you have it and you can do it and it can it can allow

01:25:20.980 you to still live the lifestyle that you want but if that job gets lost if that field gets standardized by

01:25:27.540 ai all of a sudden you're looking back at the the other half that you said you didn't need

01:25:33.060 so because they have it that's why they use it yeah i agree um so i think we're gonna go to the

01:25:40.260 next part of the show will you give me therapy on some of my black pill ideas i got you i got you okay

01:25:48.980 all right so i'm gonna read them to you um i'm gonna go through them all and then you can tell me which

01:25:54.260 ones you want to address cup disagree agree okay so um one idea i have is that marriage is not a

01:26:01.460 good deal for men um and it's stupid for men to get married in 2025 um the reason i think this is

01:26:07.860 just because it's an unfavorable deal if someone's paid to do something bad um i can't really be shocked

01:26:15.220 when they do it so unfavorable um i'd say it's not gonna get better so i had a lot of like

01:26:24.500 more happiness in my life when i stopped being upset about um the things are the the way things

01:26:30.500 are going but i think women are going to keep being whores um i expect um really

01:26:40.260 like if you have kids i really think you should expect that their peers um there may be a mom or two

01:26:47.620 with an only fans or an ex only fans and that's just going to be more normalized in society like for

01:26:53.300 example i have a younger sister she's going to school with someone and this girl has only fans

01:26:59.060 she just met her in her class i think i think yeah it's bleeding it's bleeding into the middle class

01:27:03.620 going to be in the upper class um women are going to keep killing their kids and having abortions

01:27:08.740 there's nothing you can do about it i used to be very pro-life um i still would say i ideologically am

01:27:14.980 but i give up you guys win kill your kids move on um abortion's never going to go away move on um

01:27:21.940 ten percent ninety percent um is the new norm women are going to keep banging and having kids with chad

01:27:27.460 tyrone gloctavius and gavin the starving musician um average men average men are going to keep getting

01:27:35.300 iced out of the sexual marketplace um it's going to get harder and harder for men to get laid meaning

01:27:40.660 those men will accept the only fans and the fat women later um as we've that trend we've really

01:27:47.380 just kept seeing um women's debt and spending is only going to increase especially student loan debt

01:27:53.780 somehow men will end up paying for it there's no such thing as a good woman just the right circumstance

01:27:59.860 so i think a lot of women um and i even like there is a point where i would think to myself well

01:28:05.060 you know um i've never been on a yacht i've never done the dan bolserian thing i wouldn't do any of

01:28:11.380 that stuff and then i thought about it like really in depth and i think it's really easy for like men

01:28:17.220 that have like never cheat or never had the option to cheat to say they wouldn't cheat and i'm like i was

01:28:22.660 never invited on any of these yachts and i was like you know what i don't know what i would do because

01:28:30.580 i i know that i never got that invite and so it made me think even further that really a lot of

01:28:38.100 women's behavior is just circumstantial because at the end of the day if you were as a woman your husband

01:28:44.820 died and you had to hop on the next guy in order to survive you'd probably do it and we've seen that

01:28:51.060 in all of history um and most men she's not yours it's just your turn um whoever yeah whoever you married

01:28:58.820 someone had a turn not i didn't mean that towards you but you know in general for men sorry someone

01:29:06.260 to turn before you most likely someone will have a turn after you whether that's in death or um her

01:29:12.180 leaving so yeah and that's that's my black-pilled ideas are there any you disagree with you think i'm

01:29:18.100 wrong okay i'm gonna have so much work to do in this conversion process all right all right so for

01:29:24.900 starters um let's agree um let's agree that marriage although you say marriage is a bad deal

01:29:32.020 for all men i absolutely think it certainly is probably not a good deal for most men but i'm going to

01:29:39.460 argue from the lens that throughout human history when did all men get entitled to marriage and women and

01:29:48.100 children ever never never never well never never there was never a civilization where all men were

01:29:56.100 always entitled to have a wife and kids so the first thing is as a man most of you don't deserve a wife

01:30:07.940 and don't deserve to even be it's the idea literally what you said you're discussing something that isn't

01:30:13.540 even meant for you every civilization there were men that had to meet certain prerequisites before

01:30:20.100 you were even in this this meant all men all men talking about marriage and how unfavorable it is and

01:30:27.780 i would never do this never never do that that's like me talking about i would never date beyonce

01:30:33.620 never on the table for you bro there's there's a in every civilization the one percenters the one to

01:30:40.740 five percenters today are the equivalent of dukes and monarchs and kings in previous civilizations

01:30:47.060 a very small substrat of men if marriage was ever on a table it was actually meant for them number two um

01:30:57.620 i view marriage today as the way in which many of us has really been too big into music like as you

01:31:03.380 said i got stevie wonder behind me i'm back in the day old school music just had something right

01:31:09.220 you had the stevie wonders you had the michael jackson's you had the princess the whitney houston's

01:31:13.460 you just had an era of the 70s and 80s and part of the 90s where it was like music was music and

01:31:19.700 everybody knew and recognized and said that's a hit and you and it was like it was something that came

01:31:25.380 over you where music was amazing and then today when we talk about music today what's the big complaint

01:31:31.700 everybody say music sucks right and we still call it music but we say it doesn't even compare

01:31:38.420 that is how i would kind of view marriage in the modern sense especially in westernized countries

01:31:45.220 marriage ex we associate the modern adaptation and implementations of what the american government

01:31:52.020 and westernized governments have done with marriage marriage originally was just an agreement

01:31:57.780 between two individuals potentially their god their family and their community everything else

01:32:04.500 everything else was added family court signing paperwork at the courthouse all that other stuff

01:32:13.140 is a modern adaptation of what we're adding on to it my view is you know what granted divorce rates

01:32:20.820 are crazy uh uh uh family courts are insane there's a lot of really really bad incentives that women who

01:32:30.500 are on their way out can try to strive to get and extract from this man i get all of those things

01:32:35.300 if the biggest hurdle for you is the family court process the the child support and all this other

01:32:41.860 stuff you can come up with a life contract where it's just between you two and you can cover every

01:32:48.740 single domain of the what your life would normally have been impacted if you two got married and have it in

01:32:53.860 a contract but because it's a life contract you can set it up to be renewed every three to five years

01:32:58.980 so if she's on her good behavior and she's on her last year of her lease you get to renew that contract

01:33:06.420 we can make some new changes but when you put it in the state's hands no wonder your view of marriage

01:33:13.300 is what it is and i agree like i i from a logical standpoint i agree with you i agree with all these men

01:33:19.220 will adapt instead of being like i quit i won't deal with women i won't do this i won't do that unless you

01:33:26.100 want to be a genetic dead end this is a potential alternative that perhaps you haven't thought of

01:33:31.300 um what you think well i think that modern marriage is just cosplay

01:33:42.420 for this i just missed some jewels just now that you said cosplay no no i'll get to them i'll get to

01:33:48.660 them okay okay because why is the brown and white uh-huh but um i don't really see the because the

01:33:57.940 life contract you know i mean that's not going to hold up in court no a lot so when i say lifestyle

01:34:04.980 contract um everything that we're contractually agreeing to in terms of assets finances um um who's

01:34:12.820 paying for health insurance these are things you two as individuals can just do we can establish a

01:34:17.460 contract with lawyers over anything yeah i'm just but the only the only thing the only caveat with

01:34:24.260 that idea believe it or not is you have to factor in common law in every state and you're probably

01:34:30.740 still going to have to have two residences where two to three times a week you do not stay in the

01:34:35.620 same residence but other than that you do everything else together yeah i mean you can develop strategies

01:34:41.060 but then the law will like you can't really predict the laws that will be implemented in the future

01:34:46.180 and women are getting more political power and women are the major voting block that politicians

01:34:52.420 are catering to so you can't really predict the future of the other thing is to just just so you

01:35:00.500 know i've interviewed men that have had just every type of strategy imaginable like that's how a lot i

01:35:05.940 don't know if you saw the intro but like the divorce documentary i had a guy literally go to his like

01:35:11.700 secretary of state or i don't know whatever it's called however you get a law changed in the state

01:35:17.220 yeah yeah and his kid got transitioned like his kid like and he did and so yeah i just i would feel

01:35:27.620 bad almost encouraging men to get married because you know there's a percentage of them that aren't

01:35:32.260 going to make it out alive there's just it's just going to happen you know um listen yeah i'm i'm as a

01:35:38.900 person who's going through it all and married now i i'm the first to say marriage isn't for everybody

01:35:44.660 marriage i would even argue isn't for most people men or women um but the secondary uh thing that i

01:35:50.340 didn't bring up is a lot of women associate if you mention the abortion rates being as crazy high as

01:35:57.940 they are a lot of women will not give men access to children without without marriage so men that are

01:36:06.180 choosing to opt out of marriage and still figure out a way to have children i feel like you're

01:36:11.060 statistically setting your child up for every major disadvantage um that doesn't mean that you're

01:36:17.300 guaranteed it with it being in a marriage but you're just almost guaranteeing every statistical

01:36:22.820 disadvantage when you have you skip the marriage step and say but we still going to do the kid thing

01:36:28.340 so there's definitely pros and cons but you know i'll let you have it well i just think you're not that

01:36:33.620 guy to her like yeah every girl has a guy she would have a kid for outside of marriage

01:36:39.700 and if you're yeah like believe me i know yeah so yeah so it's like you know um the other the other

01:36:49.060 thing i wanted to sorry um did you still want to go on with that or did you want to go to another

01:36:52.500 black belt no you can go to another one it's fine all right so all right out of a grade i'm probably

01:36:57.860 gonna give myself a d because i didn't really hit you all right i'm gonna go to some some some more heavy

01:37:02.260 heavier stuff this whole entire interview that we've had together so far

01:37:08.820 black pill from a male lens it's like they almost can't find almost anything positive or redeemable

01:37:16.740 about women especially in the west right they they feel like we're cooked society is crumbling

01:37:22.820 we're just waiting for the species to die off and women are a huge part of the blame for it fair

01:37:27.300 one of the biggest gripes for myself and men that are pointing out about third and fourth wave feminists

01:37:35.780 and feminism is that the representatives of it the women that identify with that can't see any good

01:37:44.500 in men they say men are dogs men ain't worth nothing um if i choose a bear but if i was in the woods i

01:37:52.100 choose a bear over a man they will mentally jump through hoops to always believe all women which

01:37:59.620 means by default men are guilty always like they will basically see only the worst in the entire male

01:38:06.820 species and they'll take the worst examples of what men are capable of doing or doing and project that onto

01:38:14.820 all men what if black pale male thought processes about women what if y'all are twins

01:38:25.380 think think of how you feel what you think of how extreme how these feminists and especially the

01:38:32.180 extremist ones how they think and talk about men they don't see no value they see no purpose they only

01:38:38.340 look at us through the lens of what they can use us for and they were only good for resources and that's

01:38:42.500 it when men or people who have a black pill mindset basically say women are only good for the holes

01:38:48.980 that they have and nothing else i think we've morphed to a point in this conversation where black pill is

01:38:58.580 starting to look and sound like the equivalent of third and fourth wave feminists with how they see men

01:39:05.940 what you think i agree it's the same i just think the feminists are wrong and the black pill is right

01:39:12.500 because i you know i think women just have a naturally evil nature okay okay i think women

01:39:19.460 like i think when women are good they got it from their dad so oh okay yeah so like it comes from a

01:39:26.900 man it's like if a woman's really good at something a man taught her like but you put a group of women

01:39:33.300 on an island together they'll just kill each other like uh well to be honest with you i think they would die

01:39:38.980 off from from not being able to do a whole host of things to survive but that's neither here nor

01:39:43.380 there the the main point i was trying to drive home is when we do this with men and we do this with

01:39:49.220 women me coming into this space i like to believe that a lot of the stereotypes that's typically

01:39:55.780 associated with my community black community um i'm not currently displaying and i don't know if you

01:40:00.420 feel that way a lot of people feel like in my community we don't read we're overly emotional

01:40:07.380 we're irrational we are ghetto we're hood we're uncouth we have no class and i like to believe

01:40:14.980 that somebody like me is displaying the total opposite and my view of my argument is there are

01:40:23.300 people on both sides that don't display the worst aspects of said group and whether that's black people

01:40:29.140 whether that's indians whether that's women whether that's men yes even with this there's reasons for

01:40:35.620 the stereotypes to exist in the first place and there are people that are living it i don't know

01:40:41.700 that it when we say all women are all men are all black people are that we're actually truly hitting

01:40:49.140 home to the reality of a situation no i do not think gangbangers and and and gangsters um and are the

01:40:58.180 the the true representation of all black people so no i don't think all women are the worst the

01:41:05.620 worst species ever i don't think all men if it doesn't apply let it fly you know yeah yeah yeah

01:41:11.540 yeah but it doesn't make it like untrue you know i just you know like if a third of men were murdering

01:41:16.980 people i'd be pretty afraid of men but a third of women are killing their own children and we're

01:41:24.020 like yeah they're not so i'm like i don't know and you know what before i get back to the black

01:41:30.100 pill i want to i'm going to share with you the one thing that me you are in agreement on for sure when

01:41:34.260 it comes to black because i'm not red pill about this at all okay when it comes to abortion in my

01:41:39.060 community black community specifically we have the highest rates of abortion to live birth ratios

01:41:46.260 nearly one abortion for every two births one abortion for every two births oh yeah seven some

01:41:54.340 stats are saying it's over seven million uh abortions have occurred in the black community

01:42:01.060 so when you factor in the clan the ku klux klan and you factor in the cia the greatest most dangerous

01:42:10.740 age the most dangerous place for a black child in america is not in chicago it's not in philly it's

01:42:19.620 not even in compton it's in the womb of a black woman in modern day america and i'll agree with that

01:42:27.060 that is that's where i'm going to be like we we've moved so far from is it is it saving the

01:42:33.140 life of the mother to like we're treating this like we're going to get our nails done i'll be back in a

01:42:36.900 second oh yeah and like that that that i will 100 acknowledge that is and it's at its worst in my

01:42:44.020 community so i'm going to be like there is no danger more dangerous place to be remember i said one

01:42:51.140 in every two births one abortion for every two births so you're statistically most likely in in

01:42:58.260 terms of danger the most dangerous place is in the womb of a black woman today yeah but i don't blame

01:43:04.580 the cia or sanger any of that i just think women want to kill their kids no like i think it's very

01:43:12.260 simple like everyone tries to put it on some grand plan or whatever but i've shown women abortion videos

01:43:19.460 and been like hey it's pretty gross this is wrong don't you think showed them the whole video they

01:43:24.180 don't care well you know what do not care and and if it was up to them if it was up to them they would

01:43:31.060 kill the kids after birth oh they would if it was up to them i bet you women if they could vote if a

01:43:38.740 woman had a hundred percent voting power they could kill the kid a year after birth and i looked this

01:43:43.860 up because i was when i really gave up on the abortion thing i looked up the infant mortality

01:43:49.300 rate in the 1800s and look this is me speculating but i just think it's too convenient that a third of

01:43:56.180 kids died um before the age of five in the 1800s and then magically when abortion's legal it's the same

01:44:03.540 rate it is the same rate too big of a i've actually looked it up yeah and then then i'm finding out like

01:44:10.500 the nuns they just found like 200 babies killed in a nunnery and i'm like if the nuns were doing it

01:44:15.860 we're done so we are cooked we're done we're moving this debate right now well that's not really a

01:44:22.500 debate i mean i say no no i get you i say enjoy the decline but like my baseline when i meet women is

01:44:29.700 i'm kind of scared of them like i don't know what they're because as soon as i talk about this stuff

01:44:33.780 remember they treat me like they treat a lot of you guys and there's nothing like a scorned woman so my

01:44:39.300 baseline is you guys are you guys and even you know i'm not saying i'm perfect either like sometimes

01:44:45.220 i'm like i'm like damn you know i got to talk to my dad more my boyfriend more you know because they

01:44:52.580 i'll have an idea and they'll just tell me he's stupid you know

01:44:57.540 and like all right so i had some arguments right yeah go ahead i'm listening listen and even up 75 of

01:45:04.260 violence towards children perpetrated by women like even the elders they can't even they can't

01:45:10.020 even take it easy we can't even take it easy on the elderly so i and you know what i came to this

01:45:15.540 conclusion because i really spent a lot of time trying to find one thing we are good at or like one

01:45:21.460 stat or one observation about society that just made us look good and i couldn't i couldn't find

01:45:28.020 anything even like raising the kids the men do that better too i mean we can't even say i find no

01:45:36.420 evidence that women are nurturing at all i think men are the nurturing gender and the men yeah i think

01:45:43.460 women like like i think men are tricked like the women trick them and say that women are natural mothers

01:45:50.020 and all this stuff and i'm like well if you were natural mothers then why do we keep killing the kids you

01:45:55.540 know doesn't make sense but go ahead oh my gosh i'll have to go back to my wife and our one-year-old

01:46:03.060 like after this this is gonna be crazy like this is gonna be crazy um yeah be like watch out

01:46:10.420 the house is empty it's gonna be horrible um so all right i'm gonna give myself a d for that because

01:46:16.420 you clearly killed me with that so i got one that i know i know this is the black pill this is the

01:46:22.980 ultimate critique of the black pill the greatest argument against black pill believe it or not is

01:46:29.700 you and me you what country were you born in usa usa america yeah you were born in america you own a

01:46:40.580 business and a brand you're primarily surrounded by uh not only men for your work but surrounded by the

01:46:47.220 worst types of caliber women when they come on your show and yet in my first time meeting you

01:46:55.940 everything that you said about women you were the polar polar opposite and my view is is that if you

01:47:02.980 were born in a culture working because we're told that oh the reason why i'm so masculine and so this

01:47:08.660 and so that and so negative and why is because and why i'm so disagreeable and so this or that

01:47:14.020 is because i work so much your ability to be able to still respect people your ability to love the

01:47:20.260 people around you you're probably great in your relationship you're probably really well with

01:47:24.980 your genuine friends i don't get i don't get any of the you're in this space this is what you do for

01:47:31.860 a living and a whole lot of negative animosity comes your way and if everything you said was as

01:47:38.580 potent as it was it's almost like seeing you as an example the way in which it comes off it almost

01:47:47.140 comes off like you're an anomaly and god must have took a day off when you was born no i don't think

01:47:52.180 i'm special at all no i think there's a lot more pearls than than not actually i actually believe that

01:47:59.860 and in fact i interact with them and most of them are black so there's a hell of a lot of pearls

01:48:04.500 that i know that are just genuinely dope good-hearted people who you know can keep it real

01:48:10.180 and may have their moments here and there because they're human but for the most part they're not like

01:48:14.500 assholes yeah and i yeah i think like that's that's a lot of people yeah but i gotta look at choices

01:48:20.660 right and you know my life choices are pretty similar to most women so yeah i don't think i'm special or

01:48:28.020 different so how is it if your life's choices are similar but your attitude and your mindset is

01:48:34.180 totally different what i'm basically suggesting is a whole lot of women are also like you well

01:48:38.580 they're probably surrounded by men and like good men but like that's what it goes back to i think the

01:48:44.180 nature of women is evil and if we have good if we yeah like if we're left to our own like you know

01:48:51.540 you put women together we become like yeah the only way you can have good women is like they learn from

01:48:59.380 good men but that's it that's it yeah that's fair yeah second piece a second piece remember i said not

01:49:07.140 only are you a great argument that there's women like that that do exist and we can find them even

01:49:12.100 in the states and they have jobs um the reason why i said i'm also a really great argument about it

01:49:20.100 the if we took black pill ideology and mindset to its furthest conclusion ultra pessimistic super negative

01:49:28.740 it's beyond just being objective there is no hope i lived that i experienced the final form of black pill

01:49:38.180 which is what's the purpose for why i'm still here what's the purpose and when my last relationship

01:49:44.660 ended and i'm literally looking up at the sky and trying to decide like i'm screaming to this being that i

01:49:52.660 don't see and saying what the hell is this and trying to decide if i'm gonna look down and ended

01:50:01.300 and i literally i'm there is no light pearl there was no light it was all dark i saw no future

01:50:09.860 how can we get any worse than this and what i'm saying is is in my lowest darkest point

01:50:15.140 i literally just decided i'm gonna stay and i'm going to work on trying to make progress even when

01:50:23.780 there's no light to walk towards until i do and when when you take black pill to its final form

01:50:32.180 and you get to that end point where you have to decide if you even want to still be here

01:50:37.780 and you decide to stay and then you decide to put some work in and eat and you're walking towards

01:50:44.180 the light that you don't see eventually the light shows itself and eventually you learn from your

01:50:50.740 mistakes and you start to become a much better holistic person and what i'm saying is there's

01:50:56.180 examples of you as a woman in modern culture who's running a a major big platform like this

01:51:02.900 with employees etc and somebody like me who lived out black pill to its furthest extent and was there

01:51:10.260 everybody bitching and complaining and talking about women ain't this men ain't that

01:51:14.340 y'all not really as pessimistic as you think you are there is another level to this

01:51:19.140 when you get to the point where you don't want to live or exist anymore that is black bill you don't

01:51:24.420 see value not in just women or men you don't see value in life that was me so for me so i'm saying

01:51:33.380 this for me to come from that to marrying my wife having my child last year buying her home she could

01:51:44.180 leave tomorrow the differences is this go around i have radical acceptance i have radical acceptance about

01:51:51.700 what i have control over and what i don't and i have and i learned about all the things that i have

01:51:56.580 control over how i can push it to its furthest extreme working out building up my network building

01:52:02.820 up my finances uh choosing better in terms of how i'm interacting with people a lot of men aren't doing

01:52:09.860 that work and i'm like if you did that it's impossible for you to stay black pill it's impossible but

01:52:15.940 what you're describing what you're describing that was depression black pill just means i think the

01:52:21.620 world's going south like i i think this is the way the world's going yes but what i'm basically saying

01:52:26.740 is in this final form yeah yeah but i'd say like that's a personal choice what you have to do with

01:52:31.300 the information you know like if you get depressed about the information you know that's that's like a

01:52:37.060 personal choice i'm not depressed about the information right i just i take it for what it is

01:52:44.260 you know women have an evil nature any woman can destroy me or you at any time we'll probably

01:52:49.860 statistically me and you will both be single parents at like 45 um like i hope you and i hope not i hope i

01:53:01.060 would really rather not do that but you know you i can't control the universe you can't control the

01:53:07.780 universe yeah so the difference is you have radical acceptance i have radical acceptance and like you

01:53:14.340 said we both just have to choose how we're going to approach the things that we know we can't control

01:53:20.580 that potentially could or could not happen for me i'm at a space where this is even why i'm sitting in

01:53:27.460 front of you like i was starting to feel that way even when i wasn't depressed i was starting to go

01:53:34.340 into that space in that zone and and that's why i'm kind of saying where it's like i know what this

01:53:38.900 mindset leads to for men who can't get a girlfriend for men who are seen as genetic dead ends and that

01:53:47.300 end that i had or soon to be in that's why do you think we lead the race that we do in terms of taking

01:53:52.420 ourselves up out of here so the reality is like a lot of the things that you're pointing out and we're

01:53:57.380 all believing that is functionally true um the the lack of radical acceptance and the unwillingness

01:54:03.860 to try to do what we can for what we have control over is why i think some people get stuck you're

01:54:09.700 not stuck you're still working you're still moving you're still dating you're still living life a lot

01:54:15.780 of these men that are receiving this information are not and that's my challenge well i'm challenging men

01:54:23.540 to be more like you well if if a guy is a genetic dead end isn't it like isn't it better he just

01:54:30.820 accepts it like if that's his fate no because the meaning like the meaning of black pill is just

01:54:38.260 accepting the futility of fighting against the feminist system it's like learning the rules of

01:54:43.700 the game so you can play it better so for example accepting abortion yeah no that's a real mindset

01:54:51.060 right no um i mean red pill is like the forums so so red pill is like um it's it's the study of

01:55:01.140 human behavior so it's all the guys that were in the forums for like 20 30 years and like the notes that

01:55:06.660 they took but yeah like i don't think it's got to be hopeless it's just like yeah women are gonna kill

01:55:13.940 kids unfortunately only fans is gonna keep going it's all gonna get worse and let's just you know

01:55:22.020 but like it's not i i don't want to sell hope like and say you probably are gonna stay married like i if i

01:55:28.660 had to guess most people will get divorced or you know yeah yeah even as a therapist i don't i don't

01:55:35.060 personally sell that either i especially when talking with men i actually want them to have

01:55:39.460 a similar mindset to what you're saying statistically the odds are against you these are the pros and

01:55:44.420 cons you need to go into go into this with your eyes wide open but there are options of how you

01:55:49.700 can approach life that potentially you're choosing not to that can lead you to feeling hopeless and

01:55:54.980 feeling like all is lost like no what you said as an alternative is i think they should be passport bros

01:56:00.660 i'm like oh there's hope oh there are women well no no i just think it'd be cool for a guy to get a

01:56:09.460 couple years of a good woman before she ruins his life you know but at least you'd get that like a few

01:56:14.900 years while she's waiting for her visa you know but and the other on the bright side you know guys if

01:56:22.020 you're a single dad someday women love single dads so you can just still date 22 year olds forever

01:56:27.700 so well i'll tell you this pearl after this interview once it goes live my wife leaves me

01:56:33.700 i'm gonna hit you up and then you can bring me back home with my baby

01:56:39.620 nah but but i'll talk so a i i uh those are my black black pill talking points i wanted to thank

01:56:45.860 you um because you know i'm a therapist and most therapists stay out of these type of spaces

01:56:51.140 and it's because we a lot of them only have the talking points of feminists and they wouldn't be

01:56:57.940 able to give you any type of adequate pushback um or even be able to enter these type of spaces with

01:57:03.700 the the feedback and the comments and people blowing up their personal lives i'm i'm at a place

01:57:09.300 of peace in life where i'm like you know what man uh people have been telling me this for years at

01:57:13.220 this time to get in this space that they think that a lot of things that i know is just interesting

01:57:18.100 in different ways to view it and i genuinely genuinely appreciate you and your staff for

01:57:24.020 you know giving me this crazy opportunity yeah you're gonna do great i'm excited are you gonna

01:57:28.980 do like um a therapy call-in show i think that'd be awesome eventually that's that's the goal that's

01:57:34.260 the goal to have to get to get people and do side by side where they're talking to me or do a panel

01:57:39.700 of different people and see their thoughts and give some pushback um but yeah i'm excited yeah that'd be

01:57:46.660 great um to end the show though we're gonna i want to read you the modern woman life cycle

01:57:52.500 and i want you to say if you think this is true or untrue uh for each pointer at the end at the

01:57:59.380 end so i'll read it and then you can just say if you think this is the the true life cycle

01:58:04.580 so number one is modern women go to a high-priced institution to get a degree that nobody cares about

01:58:10.500 to put themselves in a whole bunch of debt that will be a burden for the rest of their lives

01:58:14.660 all they learn in school is how to be disagreeable how to use men and how to be a whore number two

01:58:20.500 modern women will get a job that's too stressful and that does not care about them in reality

01:58:25.540 the job is not that hard or stressful but the women will convince themselves all of society

01:58:31.380 that it is that's kind of why you see all the teachers striking and not the coal miners it's like

01:58:36.260 you know modern women feel entitled to a certain lifestyle when they begin their careers and will buy

01:58:40.980 houses and cars they can't afford spend all their money on travel while ignoring student debt

01:58:46.420 modern women will wake up between the ages of 33 to 37 rush to have a kid find a husband or both

01:58:52.820 modern women will hit their late 30s and early 40s and try to get pregnant by some loser or go through

01:58:57.940 ivf you know that's when like the you get like the 38 year old pregnant by like pookie ray ray nug nug or

01:59:04.660 gavin the starving musician modern women will start at antidepressants and become alcoholics because

01:59:12.580 their beauty is fading faster than they like and they don't know what to do and then last but not

01:59:17.940 least buy a dog or a cat and die alone

01:59:23.940 i really really hope i still have a job after what i'm about to say

01:59:29.300 the only i disagree with the dog i think it's mostly cats

01:59:38.020 no i'm gonna say this i do think most of what you're saying is much more descript much more

01:59:45.940 descriptive of millennials and gen z than the other older demographics because number one the older

01:59:53.220 demographics didn't have the student loan debt the older demographics um didn't purchase homes as women on

01:59:59.060 their own the older demographics uh statistically did get married earlier now they may have gotten

02:00:04.180 divorced but a lot of the things that women that you're describing now in terms of life's journey

02:00:09.380 this has really been a phenomenon that's really started to pick up in the late 90s and early 2000s

02:00:15.140 so that's the main main distinction i would make is that it is true that there are a lot of women who

02:00:21.540 get themselves into a lot of debt don't think about the career that they're picking and whether or not it's

02:00:26.180 going to actually pay for both the debt and the lifestyle and the home that they want and they

02:00:33.060 also want the man that comes in to be able to offload that onto him and they don't typically when

02:00:39.300 talking to them want to work at the same establishment for 40 50 years so there is a lot

02:00:44.740 of truth to what you're saying but i do say that i would draw the line between women who didn't do that

02:00:51.060 either because they didn't have the opportunity to or we just wasn't available versus the women where

02:00:55.780 by default everybody else is going to school everybody else is doing this everybody else is

02:01:00.500 traveling each year so i got to do the same that really is a phenomenon that's kind of really really

02:01:06.580 shown itself with social media and with the explosion of the student loan costs so that's my feedback

02:01:12.340 you said i thought gen x women met their husband their um husbands in college did they not yeah but

02:01:19.860 they didn't have the student loan debt a lot of them went to school for free okay i mean yeah and

02:01:25.860 because they met their husbands earlier and sooner they didn't they weren't buying homes the way that

02:01:30.020 women are buying homes and outpacing men today so that's why i'm saying yeah just from a historical

02:01:35.220 data standpoint we got to draw that line between well women that are 20 years older than us and everybody's

02:01:40.820 in our age well because there is that lady that was going on the college campuses who went to school

02:01:45.460 in the 70s and said she was a at college you know you know i'm talking about the nah but yeah she just

02:01:52.420 goes around telling girls not to be with them it's so funny she's like i was a but the um what i was

02:02:03.940 going to say though in a way they kind of just hop off because they they went to college and maybe didn't

02:02:09.860 get the debt but then they got the house in divorce so they just like they just entered it later

02:02:17.860 listen they they didn't get into unnecessary debt they they they you know they they they were lucky

02:02:24.260 enough to not have the additional options that modern women did so they avoided some of the pitfalls

02:02:29.620 other women are currently making now okay okay yeah but i'm glad to see we mostly that it's pretty i'll

02:02:36.340 i'll make a note um i um bear from the internet after like a week of people knowing i exist hey yeah

02:02:48.020 oh um doug mpa is putting one more note he wants me to put in red pill is learning the nature of women

02:02:53.620 black pill is accepting the evil nature of women and moving on with your life let's see you know what

02:02:59.140 he mpa got he got a point man the point you got maybe you're converting me in some ways i'm not

02:03:08.820 going to say women i'm not going to say all women are i'm just letting your audience know i'm not saying

02:03:13.620 women are how many how many bodies tell the whore i mean like come on like most guys say most guys say

02:03:20.580 what let's just say let me do the math on you guys's wives strippers you got to remember the

02:03:27.460 strippers and the professional dancers are to be honored because they are providing a service that

02:03:33.060 many of these women are not willing to offer once they get married so that's why i will never use that

02:03:38.820 term because there are women that will do the dirty work so we got to you got to remember that well they

02:03:43.940 like being called whores they even tell the men in like sex to like you know maybe i was not that

02:03:50.660 guy because nobody's ever told me to say that you see like bonnie blue and like lily phillips they're

02:03:56.020 like going on the podcast saying yep i am bonnie blue i seen her recently was she on with tate recently

02:04:03.700 oh it's a doug mpa saying women have more homes because of divorce it's a lot a lot of them they are

02:04:11.300 winning them they are winning the homes that that's the thing man man he i'm gonna come way more

02:04:17.220 prepared if i get invited oh you can come back it's whatever i mean we do call-ins like a few days a

02:04:23.380 week so if you ever like a topic i mean we'll give you preference we can let you up it's cool

02:04:30.500 um well i think that's all of his notes he had here he's there's like a google doc so sometimes a lot

02:04:36.980 stuff um well thanks so much for coming on i had so much fun did you have fun amazing i had a question

02:04:44.500 could i say how people can find me i was about to ask you so yeah go ahead all right i'll do closing

02:04:50.980 remarks um so hey everyone thank you pearl for you know allowing me on your platform uh it's kind of

02:04:57.700 crazy to go from starting this two months ago to now meeting you and and one of the biggest most

02:05:03.940 influential voices in our culture right now um in terms of how i see myself i'm a normal guy who

02:05:09.940 just works for a living and i think i have an interest in perspective i don't think i have the

02:05:15.780 argumentation skill set of andrew wilson um i don't think i have the perspicacity of andrew tate i don't

02:05:22.580 even think that i have like the clinical background and depth of like dr jordan peterson i definitely don't

02:05:28.260 have that swag of uh uh the guy kevin samuels so um honestly i'm just jeff i'm me and if you want to

02:05:39.620 follow the journey um my podcast is ask a brother uh podcast on youtube instagram tiktok and you know

02:05:47.300 i'll do collabs and i work with like-minded people that not only agree with me but people who don't

02:05:52.900 and my goal is just to get us to become thinkers and readers again and make thinking reading and

02:05:58.900 becoming better versions of ourselves cool again so thank you for the opportunity and looking forward

02:06:03.860 to y'all joining me in this journey awesome and doug mpa if you could put his links to his stuff in like

02:06:09.940 the comment section in the description that'd be great um i'm gonna read the super chats really quick

02:06:15.220 before we close out um 80s nostalgia guy says you can know how much a woman truly loves you by how

02:06:21.540 generous she is with her money in my experience the women who are the most attracted to me were

02:06:26.340 more happy to take turns paying for dates true or false true 100 100 the camera i'm looking through

02:06:35.780 my wife bought me for father's guy uh all this stuff that you just see behind me i have set up nothing

02:06:41.540 my wife did it so when he's 100 right and that's the whole distinguishing good versus bad women

02:06:48.580 women that want you and love you genuinely want you for you they don't hold money back for nothing

02:06:53.860 they will support you and your endeavors and figure out how they can add to your life

02:06:58.900 and i bet a man made her good

02:07:02.420 yeah me me yeah you see somebody did it it wasn't herself yeah yeah i'm gonna claim the crap

02:07:11.300 all right um someone kw says accept my only fans pronouns or else okay well we're very excited for

02:07:21.780 you to start your call-in show um if you're ever looking for editors or stuff i have recommendations

02:07:28.580 i can give you so yeah totally i can't do nothing right now i don't know how to do anything i need

02:07:34.020 help immediately okay okay i will um all right guys make sure you like the video on your way out

02:07:40.100 and go check out his channel go subscribe um are you monetized yet on youtube or no no i because i

02:07:46.340 literally just started two months ago um not even close but i think once this goes up and i put some

02:07:52.740 stuff out soon uh who knows i think it'll change up okay well um guys make sure you go subscribe to

02:07:58.660 it and let's try to get them to a thousand subscribers so that'd be pretty cool all right

02:08:02.660 guys like the video on your way out subscribe to the channel we'll see you next time bye-bye

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Jeff St. James Explains The Benefits of Being a High Value Man (RECAP) ｜ The Sitdown

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