00:03:21.960I've seen so many men on the brink of suicide and they didn't do anything wrong.
00:03:26.380How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?
00:03:31.780The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.
00:03:35.680Women are helplessly dependent upon men.
00:03:38.280The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose to alcohol, three times higher among men than among women.
00:03:45.120Culture is telling men you are no good. You've got to get your act together. I think men have failed themselves. What kind of a man are you?
00:03:50.940What kind of a woman are you going to attract? If men are in trouble, so are women. Everybody knows this is a huge problem,
00:03:57.480but nobody wants to admit it. Every single woman at the table said they wanted a man to get 500k, 300k, 200k.
00:04:03.880Am I crazy? Everything is really set up against you to fail as a man. If men make less than women, women don't want to marry them.
00:04:10.640So you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men?
00:11:50.200And that with the influx of the likes, the influx of the comments, the influx of men in their DMs, they're convinced that because there's so many of these men that want me, that I have all these options.
00:12:02.220and the reality is they wouldn't sleep with most of those men they wouldn't be in relationships
00:12:06.000with most of those men but they've in essence kind of conflated uh all this attention i get
00:12:12.360on the outside with the reality of how few men i actually want and can actually end up with
00:12:17.020i think it almost reveals women don't like men as much as we originally thought
00:12:22.220would you agree with that or do you disagree
00:12:24.860this is a tough one because it's like the second the second you're like do you want to kill their
00:12:30.780kids they're like yup they're like the second they're like do you want to leave your husbands
00:12:36.140they're like yup the second they're like do you want to be moms do you guys want to wait
00:12:42.620they're like let me wait as long as possible you know they say like revealed preferences
00:12:47.740versus stated preferences so like people say they want things but if you look at like their
00:12:53.020actions it's not like it's like the fat friend you keep taking to the gym
00:12:56.380and they're like i want to lose weight and you're like all right come to the gym
00:13:02.860girl first of all you know i got a job right so i'm gonna try to i'm gonna try to keep it
00:13:08.060what i would say in response to that believe it or not is that um i do agree that with optionality
00:13:14.380people's um natures have definitely been revealed much more clearly um but with that said um i don't
00:13:22.700know if I was a woman and I had this many options and an ability to get so much attention so early
00:13:30.420and so often that I wouldn't have potentially adopted much of that mindset too if I were in
00:13:36.000their shoes for at least a season. The issue is actually not simply that it's revealed that women
00:13:43.620have the capacity to be just as grimy as men in some respects. It also revealed that I think they
00:13:50.280saw something that it revealed something in women that i don't think most men factored it was a
00:13:56.560secret before women could just say yeah like like that oh that was the women today the past we
00:14:02.500weren't like that and i'm like yeah grandma because there's no smartphones yeah yeah yeah i don't buy
00:14:08.260that women and that's the thing this is the difference i think the only difference between
00:14:11.940women today and women of the past is cameras uh social media yeah and uh the ability for us to
00:14:19.720see it more readily available. I think women have always done what they wanted to do and
00:14:24.280pick their best option that they thought they can get in terms of a spouse very quickly might move
00:14:29.500on if a guy wasn't the right fit. I think female dating strategies by default is definitely
00:14:35.500different than men's. And I don't think that that changed as much as it probably got exacerbated
00:14:41.080with all these things that I mentioned. Yeah, I agree. The one thing I think you said that I
00:14:46.120might have a different opinion on i don't think um i think you said women are like traumatized
00:14:51.960from sleeping around i don't really i think it's just like a get out of jail free card they use
00:14:57.740later i'm like you did not look traumatized when you were like hanging out with tyrone chad gavin
00:15:04.620you seem fine yeah yeah but then you're gonna like cry later but i think it's just so they
00:15:10.040could get a husband because like obviously they can't be like oh i really enjoyed that it was a
00:15:15.060lot of fun so yeah as a trauma yeah I'm sorry to cut you off as a trauma therapist I actually know
00:15:22.040what trauma is so it's very fascinating to see women and people specifically they overuse trauma
00:15:27.260and everybody that was with in the past as a narcissist like I actually know what these terms
00:15:32.040mean and know how to measure them so when I mean it what I actually mean is is that yeah they
00:15:36.940actually increase their chances to experience trauma because you keep dealing with so many men
00:15:41.380who you haven't probably vetted properly um so yeah but a lot of times when they're using those
00:15:46.540words it's it's not actually applying to the case no they don't want to vet them properly
00:15:50.800you know what i mean they just want six pack
00:15:53.980okay so um tell me what you mean by qualified and unqualified men
00:16:02.900so yeah in my last interview with the ladies at sharing my truth podcast um i had mentioned um
00:16:10.420that there were men that were considered qualified and there were men that were considered unqualified
00:16:14.500and that their experiences with women tends to be radically different the men that i would say
00:16:20.260are qualified are typically men that have good to great income they meet a certain height requirement
00:16:28.020typically six eight six feet or above um they're in fairly decent shape uh fairly charismatic
00:16:34.500confident desire by multiple women and respected by multiple men those are the men that i would
00:16:40.020say and most people would kind of identify as quote unquote qualified to have options with women
00:16:45.220to be able to push off commitment to be able to sleep with multiple women at simultaneously at
00:16:50.580the same time and never have to lead towards marriage these are the quote unquote men that
00:16:55.220qualify to get access to women's sex um softness uh love um intimacy etc whereas the men that are
00:17:05.140are quote-unquote unqualified they're usually missing multiple of those check boxes if not all
00:17:10.920of them so yep go ahead where would you put men like because there's certain men in just certain
00:17:16.640environments where they're broke but they get a lot of women like you know how it is the salsa
00:17:21.700instructor like the the club promoter you know what i mean where would you put them as qualified
00:17:27.440or unqualified if like they don't have the money but they still get women you know the bartender
00:17:33.720in LA they got all the actors but yeah sorry go ahead yeah for men that are don't check off all
00:17:42.580the boxes you typically have to be exceptional at least one or two okay so the men that are
00:17:47.600unqualified are pretty much not doing anything in any of these areas significant if I kind of
00:17:52.580stand out so for instance the guy that's really really tall and is like pretty charismatic and
00:17:59.320has nothing else with the things I kind of listed uh he'll do well because he's exceptionally tall
00:18:05.460and he knows he's a good talker right um so we see it whereas the guys who can't talk to women
00:18:10.360the guys who are not that tall the guys that don't make any money the more about it gets to a point
00:18:15.520where she either friend zones you or doesn't even acknowledge you yeah you ever meet a guy that gets
00:18:20.160girls to pay his rent I've seen that oh I'm jealous of them guys man jealous can you talk
00:18:28.220more about um attraction triggers and define what they are yeah so they're they're different um
00:18:34.860obviously on an individual by individual level but the things that i just listed are typically
00:18:39.380from the female perspective the female side uh typically some of the the key cues that they're
00:18:44.860looking for so from an attraction trigger perspective women typically don't want to get
00:18:49.980with the guy that they can't sense that other women also think is attractive so the problem
00:18:56.280that we're kind of having in terms of like this whole topic and this discussion that's going on
00:19:01.000when you think about it is like these women are only picking men that they believe other women
00:19:07.540want and trying to ensure and guarantee that that guy is going to be monogamous and with them for
00:19:13.720the rest of their lives so their their attraction triggers are putting them in a small pool dealing
00:19:20.100with a small pool of men that they're often being disappointed with as a result whereas on the flip
00:19:25.360side with men, many of their attraction triggers, a lot of women confuse that because they assume
00:19:30.100that they would be the same. Oh, I make so much money. I make this much money. I have this degree.
00:19:34.200I got a car. I got this. I got that. None of those things apply to men, especially men that have
00:19:39.220those things. So men, many of our attraction triggers are softness, femininity, nurturing,
00:19:46.780the desire to potentially start a family, a willingness to be able to listen and learn from
00:19:52.320him and not feel like she has to constantly lead or dominate. Those are a lot of the things that
00:19:56.740men are typically looking for and particularly attracted to. So for whatever reason, it seems
00:20:03.420like men, a lot of men aren't checking off the boxes in terms of attraction triggers that women
00:20:08.460are typically looking for. And unfortunately in the West, that's probably true to an extent because
00:20:14.780a lot of the women, unfortunately in this country and in Canada and in UK and in Australia and other
00:20:20.480western countries they don't desire the need to develop those things that men are attracted to
00:20:26.320they just project what they want onto the man and expect him to expect the same from them
00:20:31.200you know what's interesting um because i've interviewed a thousand women on my show
00:20:35.600and the women that i met that i would say had the highest femininity there was always like a reason
00:20:42.560there's always a butt like it was very necessary like they either highly struggled with weight or
00:20:47.760had children so it it seemed like it was kind of made out of like necessity and i was in london so
00:20:53.840i was interviewing women from all over the world but i would find if there was ever like really
00:20:59.280really high femininity there would always be a catch is that what you've seen like is that what
00:21:05.200you've seen or maybe you've seen other things it's it's a mix it's a mix so sometimes it's actually
00:21:12.160because of religious upbringing and them being very sheltered and still sheltered um because
00:21:18.560typically and you'll see it and you've probably talked about it on your show there's definitely
00:21:22.080instances where they had a great father that was very caring and very protective and you know
00:21:27.440before you knew it uh they ended up you know going to college and all of that went out the window
00:21:32.240right so yeah sometimes life life humbles them sometimes it's because of their background and
00:21:38.240what they're still remaining in um i definitely agree that it's rarer to find in western countries
00:21:44.480for sure um but i've also experienced women who tend to stay to themselves and are not really in
00:21:51.600the mix and you i don't want to say that they're female loners but they're they're they normally
00:21:57.840won't catch the eye of most men unless they just happen to be in the same proximity yeah um
00:22:04.880um of the men um that you said are like able to cheat in your experience what percent do
00:22:14.420so not what you've read now what you've seen online like in your personal what you've seen
00:22:18.240in real life if i had to put a genuine true number on it i would think 30 to 40 percent of men
00:22:27.000probably have cheated um and this is going to be one of the first shocking things i'm going to say
00:22:32.380on your show I think women cheat far more oh yeah far more they're better cheaters they're more
00:22:38.100secretive about it they don't get the same punishments for doing that doing it like men will
00:22:43.560so yeah and and even when they do cheat and they admit it to each other they don't view their
00:22:50.720cheating the same way they view men's cheating so this is why they can still remain friends with
00:22:55.560homegirls that they knew were doing all this stuff on the side whereas for a man to do it
00:23:01.120they have to destroy his entire life and character and legacy as a result um so yeah and this is the
00:23:07.220other thing when you're a guy that other women when you're young or older um that's pretty
00:23:12.820attractive enough to kind of be around women enough you'll be the guy that they're cheating
00:23:17.140with and you'll start to be like oh my gosh like this how common is this and you and you always
00:23:23.560feel bad and you're like man i hope i'm never that guy and you learn like these guys will never know
00:23:29.200A lot of these guys would never, ever, ever know. So I absolutely think that probably 30 to 40% of men cheat or have cheated. And I, I think that number is probably 50 to 60% of women. And I'm, and I'm honestly probably being conservative when I say that.
00:23:44.880yeah and that doesn't include like messages and like like i'm assuming you're just limiting it
00:23:50.900to physical cheating right yeah if you included women having like a work husband or something
00:23:55.840else it would probably be even 80 or 90 percent i don't know about 80 90 percent but what i i have
00:24:04.340observed yeah is that um there are other things that i've seen the double standard when the things
00:24:12.480that they will go off on a man for in terms of cheating or looking for attention validation
00:24:17.220outside the relationship they have no problem receiving it on their end if if they see that
00:24:22.740their man their boyfriend their husband is liking another woman's picture they will freak out but
00:24:28.960the idea of them making their profile private they're like why would i do that he's controlling
00:24:34.940so they they just see these things like totally different like people liking their bikini pictures
00:24:40.760that are not women they just was like that's just normal but him liking a woman who who who's half
00:24:48.200naked or in a bikini is it's a problem so I don't think that they typically see their cheating and
00:24:54.680they're seeking validation outside the relationship in quite the same way so that's why I actually
00:24:59.280think the numbers are somewhat skewed to be a little bit higher and in your experience who's
00:25:04.520more likely to forgive cheating men or women women but but i think women and men are in similar
00:25:15.000territory with that i think it's only the men who aren't operating from a scarcity mindset
00:25:20.500that have no problem with being like get out i'm good i will never see her talk to you again
00:25:25.900only the men that know that they can easily replace her typically will do that most men if
00:25:31.380They know, you know, it's going to be very difficult to replace her.
00:25:36.280They'll just kind of endure and try to go to therapy and try to work it out.
00:25:40.460Whereas a lot of women, despite the horrible stats in terms of how much they initiate breakups and divorces, oftentimes it's not after the first time.
00:25:50.540It's usually after repeated offenses that they eventually get to that point where they get jaded.
00:25:55.060They change their feelings and then they start planning their escape when the whole guy thinks that we've moved on from it.
00:26:01.380I think that I want to see if you agree.
00:26:03.560I think there's alpha and beta cheating.
00:26:06.320There's women that get cheated on by guys with options and they'll usually stick it out.
00:26:12.820But there's nothing worse than a woman getting cheated on by a guy who she thinks who she thinks can't.
00:26:19.260Those are like the biggest crash outs I've seen.
00:26:22.020And I want to know if you agree or disagree.
00:26:25.800Listen, I never described it or conceptualized it in that way.
00:26:29.220but now that i think about it it does make sense that there seems to why is it that so many of her
00:26:35.060exes that are the cheaters and the abusers she'll go through all this stuff with these guys and then
00:26:40.980it's the guy that's the good guy one infraction and he's gone she's done yeah so there yeah i
00:26:47.460didn't describe it in that way i think i'm gonna steal that from it's like jeff bezos his wife
00:26:51.860like because she like obviously you know when they they got together he was like the nerdy kid
00:26:57.060you know and now he's cheating she's like no because she doesn't see who he is not like
00:27:03.620she doesn't see who he is now like she sees she still sees the guy she like started with
00:27:09.580i don't know yeah yeah uh is is the woman he's with now is that his current is that his first
00:27:15.980wife or is this the second wife no this is the second he cheated on his first wife with her
00:27:20.080okay so the second wife all i the only image i have of her forgive me for this but like
00:27:26.900it was when they were on a red carpet and leonardo dicaprio was standing in front of
00:27:30.580the two of them and seeing her face marveling at this man in front of her uh boyfriend slash
00:27:37.300husband was like fascinating man i'm like he is a billionaire and she's still gawking at this other
00:27:41.940dude i'm like oh ain't none of us safe man that woman has that woman has to be studied
00:27:47.860like we did like it's just will smith jeff basil's uh uh steph curry it just doesn't seem to matter
00:27:57.420how high a guy gets a woman will humble him by accident by accident sometimes it's amazing to
00:28:05.080see no if you look at the last wife's dating history it's like had a kid with an nfl player
00:28:12.180then broke up with him married a hundred million then broke up with him and married a billionaire
00:28:17.940and i'm like she still has the ability to secure rings even though she has two different baby
00:28:24.800daddies and she's like 55 she collected them rings like infinity stones yeah that's what i said i
00:28:31.420said you know what there's some women that you don't know what the hell they got because they're
00:28:35.760clearly she must gluck gluck or something i don't know listen she got that thing on it that's all i
00:28:41.300know. She got that thing. I don't know. Okay. So the next topic we're going to talk about is
00:28:47.680passport bros. What is your opinion on men that go overseas to date? Do you think that's a good
00:28:54.300idea? Bad idea? What's your general take on it? I'm actually, believe it or not, fairly neutral
00:29:00.880because first of all, these are grown men that can do whatever they want with their money and
00:29:04.320their time and their energy. But with that said, I want men that are doing it to be very intentional
00:29:10.300and cautious with the countries that they're doing that in because a lot of times when men
00:29:14.240put themselves in these situations i know that men are going for all hosts of different reasons
00:29:18.120some to find a feminine woman who they can build a life and family with some because they just want
00:29:23.460to do sexual tourism some just for the sake of being able to have fun during trips i get the
00:29:28.420whole nine right all these different reasons and rationales and justifications for doing it
00:29:32.960Cool. My issue and concern is twofold. One, men have to recognize that what do you think the men that are in some of these countries, especially the countries where your dollar goes further, how do these men feel about you?
00:29:48.480and you have to be cautious as more and more men that are coming from your area are doing the same
00:29:54.080thing these men will start to get more tribal and and possessive about seeing all of these
00:30:00.660foreigners coming into their territory it's like a it's almost like a sexual form of gentrification
00:30:06.020like it's a thing where people start seeing you creeping in and you know you could actually start
00:30:11.500putting yourself a little bit at risk so make sure that you're kind of being safe with the
00:30:15.520areas and environments that you're doing and putting yourself in. And then number two,
00:30:20.600although it's fine to do that, and it is what it is, I do wonder if there's men that haven't
00:30:28.620figured out how to get some of the experiences that they're getting over there back here.
00:30:35.280My issue is, I'm in the camp that I've learned that if you can talk to the most beautiful women
00:30:43.300in one country, you can effectively do it everywhere. The difference is really just
00:30:48.160the expectations of what is granted. So these women in other countries can actually be just
00:30:53.500as forward and straight up front about what it is from a transactional standpoint they want from
00:30:58.180you. The difference is they're just softer and more feminine when they do it. They still want
00:31:03.420something from you. They're not just having sex with you guys for free. They're not like, oh,
00:31:06.680he's American. Cool. Let me let you smash. It's really about like you're still paying in some
00:31:11.760way shape or form i'm not going to use myron's quote of the whole was that all women are gold
00:31:16.880diggers necessarily but they all 99 of them don't want you to come with nothing to the table when
00:31:23.840you're approaching them so if you're going to do that abroad be safe about it be smart about it and
00:31:29.600do you could you argue and i just had i'm just this is a thought i'm playing with when women
00:31:36.700are the most valuable they almost gold dig the least because that's when women will sleep with
00:31:43.260like anybody when they're young like the bartender it's like when we get older than we have like
00:31:48.180money standards but like what 18 year old really um i don't see them gold digging as much or do
00:31:55.380you see something different no no and this is kind of relates to like rollo and other podcasts
00:32:01.460manosphere mountaintop perspective of like women don't typically truly understand what a decline
00:32:11.660from the mountaintop where on the mountaintop they start at the top 18 years old men their age
00:32:18.080men in their 20s men in their 30s and potentially men in their 40s are all of a sudden checking for
00:32:22.360her she didn't have to do anything to earn it she's just now seen as valuable she could depending
00:32:27.840on how beautiful she is she could get access to athletes doctors lawyers celebrity men oh yeah
00:32:33.220really wealthy people and she didn't have to do anything to accomplish it and when you're born
00:32:37.940into something like that and it's reinforced for your first 10 to 12 years worth of adulthood
00:32:43.900I'm not shocked that many of them struggle with not seeing it takes them a while to realize like
00:32:50.880it's not I'm not getting as much attention as I used to and as I'm getting older many of the men
00:32:56.140that are younger than me, I don't want. And many of the men that are my age are starting not to
00:33:00.640check for me. It takes them a while for it to really, really click and hit in. And usually
00:33:05.080it's when men stop offering drinks as much, when they stop approaching them as much. And probably
00:33:10.500I know the telltale sign when they are in a room and a younger, more fit, beautiful woman walks
00:33:18.040in the room and she no longer exists to the other men in the room. That is usually when it starts
00:33:23.660to hit them yeah i agree um so tell me the story of your dating apps in atlanta and chicago and how
00:33:35.340many likes you got and what does that story tell us about modern society so um this story i have
00:33:44.620i don't know why it's blowing up so much but um back in 2020 um i was on a couple dating apps i
00:33:50.220I was on Bumble, which is how I ended up meeting my wife.
00:33:53.160But at the time, I think we were only two weeks into knowing each other.
00:33:56.580I still had a BOK, which is a black dating app, up on my phone as well.
00:34:02.320And early, early 2020, I had to do a layover flight to Chicago.
00:34:07.600And I had to fly to Atlanta, sat in the airport for two hours, and then, you know, ended up in Chicago and got off the plane.
00:34:16.560And so this was only about two and a half hours of downtime.
00:34:20.220And when I got in the car, I turned my phone on and I actually checked the app and the
00:34:23.760app I forgot was on and it was going by my geolocation.
00:34:28.020And when I opened up my phone and opened up that app after two hours in Atlanta and about
00:34:33.22020 to 30 minutes in Chicago, I had about 72 to 74 women that had initiated and matched
00:34:40.160up with me from those two cities within two hours, almost 75 women.
00:34:46.780and that is a reflection of two things one the market is skewed for men that are that meet and
00:34:58.640check off certain requirements if if a lot of women think that you're fairly educated if you
00:35:03.780carry yourself a certain way if your profile if you know how to dress your profile up a certain
00:35:07.240way and if they can glean what you say you do for a living and potentially how much you make
00:35:11.700if you land in a city, God forbid, if you stay in the city, you have a massive advantage over 80
00:35:20.120plus percent of the men that's already there. So just landing in the airports, not even walking
00:35:25.980around, I had almost 80 women within a two and a half hour time span. Now, mind you, I'm not a
00:35:31.840celebrity. I'm not a model. I'm not rich or even super rich. And if those are my numbers, can you
00:35:38.680imagine the guys that actually live there the guys who are wealthy the guys who are athletes
00:35:44.500it it's probably in the thousands and the reason why the reason why that story is so interesting
00:35:51.560is because as women become more selective and believe that their optionality is unlimited of
00:35:58.860all the options and choices i have they don't really realize that when you're not your best
00:36:04.900version of yourself the guy who gets that type of attention doesn't have to tolerate it doesn't
00:36:11.900have to commit and will very quickly replace you with no hesitation or trouble and they don't
00:36:19.420realize that often until it's too late when they're at a space and point where they're going
00:36:23.760to have much more difficulty having children uh not having access to the same men that they
00:36:28.220may have had before and worse they may be in a position where for the first time they have to
00:36:35.740reevaluate if i am going to get married if i am going to settle down it has to be with a man that
00:36:40.800wasn't my first second or third choice and how did your matches compare because i think tinder's been
00:36:47.700on the market for 10 years now so how did your matches compare from like today or then when you
00:36:54.700said you were 30 to like when you were 20 or would that have been before were you on the apps before
00:37:00.160that no no I actually I had come out of a previous relationship before that um so I I you know I had
00:37:07.360gotten married around 25 gotten divorced around 29 and 30 I'm back out there in the streets and
00:37:13.460you know um I hadn't been on dating apps before that so this was my first time really trying
00:37:19.020dating apps and i'm 30 by this point and i was like whoa i didn't i didn't realize it was this
00:37:25.580easy but what i and what i didn't realize is that my experience wasn't every man's experience i
00:37:32.160learned that over time with observation that some guys got way crazier numbers than me and women by
00:37:38.020by doing this where men didn't have to pay a dowry they don't have to meet your family they
00:37:44.020don't have to go to your church or your religious synagogue of some kind they have to do almost the
00:37:48.920bare minimum of nothing other than being funny sounding cool and looking good to get access to
00:37:54.360your body and potentially get you to give them a kid um they created a market um probably unknowingly
00:38:01.420where men that can do that are now men that look like me are now having body counts and men that
00:38:10.880look way better to me are now having body counts that's rivaling kings during medieval time yeah
00:38:16.500and you're expecting those men all of those men that you want to want to be not only with you
00:38:24.340but only you for the rest of your life and theirs interesting and so what was that like for you
00:38:31.140because i'm sure um getting out of a and i don't know i'm not going to put words in your mouth so
00:38:36.940i'm not going to say this was your experience but i know it's common for men to be taken for granted
00:38:41.440in their marriages and so i always wonder what it's like to like almost beg or like um you know
00:38:48.480not maybe i don't want to say that but like be in a position where you're trying to work it out with
00:38:53.680a woman that doesn't appreciate you to going to the streets and it's like all these women are
00:38:58.160ready to go i don't know if that was your experience so you could correct me but i'm
00:39:03.120curious what that would be like i honestly genuinely look at it through the lens of
00:39:08.640and you know to protect her and and how that past went i look at it i look at the past so much in
00:39:14.400terms of my fault my role and how things unfolded i look at it now through the lens of i ignored
00:39:20.880red flags both in herself and me and i um i was kind of that guy in college and settled with
00:39:33.520somebody who i thought i could be a good guy with and i could be the dutiful guy and the thing that
00:39:41.280a lot of men is terrified about with marriage unfortunately happened to me you get into these
00:39:45.440relationships and the version of woman that you thought you were getting they change and you know
00:39:51.680before you know it i had the experience that a lot of men unfortunately ended up experiencing which is
00:39:57.360the loneliest i ever felt in my life was when i was married
00:40:03.520and was it like a weight off your shoulders when you got divorced like did you feel free yeah
00:40:11.700um I will touch on that and and definitely my own content for sure but no it was it was the
00:40:17.600opposite because when you go from trying to be a city boy and doing your thing and having fun
00:40:22.300it's different women every week to all right now I'm married and and you know stuff hits the fan
00:40:27.980you functionally feel like you were robbed of what you thought you were going to get
00:40:34.560you thought you were going to get this and I'm like wait a minute so when I'm single this is
00:40:40.900how women treat me this is how often I get sex this is how nice they are to me and how like I'm
00:40:46.700getting all these great things that comes when I'm single and then when we get familiar with each
00:40:52.480other and it's an everyday routine, things just shift and change. And like me and many friends
00:40:58.600that I knew, for whatever reason, we didn't pay attention to certain social cues and patterns in
00:41:05.680history to recognize that that was potentially something that could happen. So when I came out,
00:41:11.720I was actually devastated. I don't think men or women, well, there may be some women that approach
00:41:16.600marriage specifically with a plan in mind to leave and get certain things as a result of it,
00:41:20.960but i don't think almost any man goes into it thinking like this is going to end in three or
00:41:26.000four years so when i came out um it wasn't a sigh of relief it was it was brutal uh because for us
00:41:33.120we don't view it as as as some milestone or doing divorce parties we we see it as a
00:41:39.280as a failure on our part um so i looked at it as a season in my life when i didn't live up to
00:41:46.240my potential. I probably put myself in that situation too soon. And in hindsight, it was
00:41:53.580like, yeah, I was devastated. I contemplated a lot of things about what the hell am I going to do with
00:41:58.880my life going for? I felt like life was over at that point. So it was brutal. But luckily, you
00:42:04.540know, we were both still younger. We didn't have any children. We didn't have any major assets.
00:42:09.100So it was a pretty clean, even split. But no, no, no, no, no. Do you think men can have that lesson
00:42:16.080um without going through it no like yeah that's what i don't because if you try to explain that
00:42:22.540to a young like i don't know if you've ever and i'm not saying this is your situation
00:42:26.440but um just a common situation i've seen um it sounds like yours was different but
00:42:32.660when guys like they like the guy who married let's say riley reed or a guy that wants to
00:42:38.320or whatever it's like they can't learn unless they go through it would you agree with that or
00:42:43.400disagree i do and i think that actually shockingly enough applies to both men and women more often
00:42:49.660than not people tend to operate where they truly do believe that they need to know why they should
00:42:57.100do or not do something they have to they have to get it um and it's it's just it i almost want to
00:43:04.660say it's like a rite of passage where the difference that now what i will say is the
00:43:09.180difference of how it typically impacts men and women men where it impacts them to the degree
00:43:16.220where they can't recover from it usually take themselves out of this life yeah um men who go
00:43:22.560through it and overcome end up being much better much more accomplished much more driven versions
00:43:30.700of themselves women who typically go through really really bad situations especially if it
00:43:38.380happens multiple times they become worse versions of themselves where they become so jaded so uh
00:43:46.060you know pessimistic about men and and before you know it like they become this shell of themselves
00:56:25.720And two, the church girls just end up like basically married to the pastor.
00:56:30.500okay so yeah they basically marry the pastor and then they just go out like their whole social life
00:56:39.080becomes the church and then there's like two chads in church that the girls all wait for and
00:56:44.520then they just reject everyone else and then like like i've met women that are 30 year old
00:56:49.920i mean allegedly right i don't believe anybody but allegedly 30 year old women in church telling
00:56:56.040me they rejected a guy because he's not holy because he tried to smash i'm like virginity
00:57:01.180doesn't count after 25 they're just gonna assume you do something it doesn't it does not count
00:57:06.980no i don't think it does because like it's only valuable if you're young like like because what
00:57:16.460the guys aren't gonna wait you have to be pretty hot maybe if you're really really hot they'll
00:57:22.020pretend to believe you but yeah yeah but i'm talking most of the church girls that i met
00:57:28.100this is the archetype fives slightly chubby usually very awkward uh celibate for like
00:57:36.480allegedly celibate for two three years cooked done the girls just coming up front and saying
00:57:42.800i'm a whore use me they have a better shot they have a better shot my opinion i'm gonna tell you
00:57:49.540us about this whole everybody supposedly was a virgin thing um i did not learn until college
00:57:57.620about these women that were claiming to be virgins and putting it in other holes
00:58:04.100and i'm like you do know that still counts as sex right no but i'm not i'm still a virgin i was like
00:58:11.060ma'am like you don't see like the ability to compartmentalize how they can excuse their
00:58:18.420behaviors it's fascinating to me um so yeah so i i've experienced that i've seen it i've heard
00:58:25.100like i've literally been told by women especially when i was in college that that was a thing i
00:58:29.800even knew women that were doing that and that was that was a thing and for whatever reason they
00:58:35.480they and you're right that there's all there almost always will be a guy that will be willing
00:58:41.460to still accept the lies and the delusion well and the other thing too is it's gonna we can't
00:58:47.360really predict how normalized some of this stuff is going to be like we have to think back a hundred
00:58:52.720years ago i mean a woman was expired at like 23 now no i'm serious so we have no idea like
00:58:59.620i i think i when you said like men won't accept the only fans i think men will accept the only
00:59:05.900fans unfortunately i don't wish it but i i've been to places with high level like guys that i
00:59:12.140would say that women would want to be with and like most men would respect i don't and i i asked
00:59:20.200them i'm like hey would you overlook an only fans when she was younger like she did it two years
00:59:25.220no on-camera corn and i couldn't believe how many guys said yeah they would accept it yeah i could
00:59:31.540get past that guys that say oh i won't do the tat like that was the one thing i learned interviewing
00:59:35.820people is i thought guys when they said that like their standards they meant it yeah and then i would
00:59:41.900look and i'm like i knew your girlfriend before she met you and she was not the things you're
00:59:46.480saying you know what i mean so yeah i yeah i'm a little bit more black pilled i think like um
00:59:52.040i think you're gonna see a lot of like um guys end up accepting only fans unfortunately but and
01:00:00.600it's partially because women are so fat because they're like you know what if i have to deal with
01:00:05.380they have to like weigh it they're like if i have to deal with a fat woman or a bipolar like it's
01:00:10.860like okay the fat girl the bipolar hot girl or the girl that's nice but with an only fans
01:00:17.580i think now obviously the choices are going to vary for each guy but i just think at some point
01:00:23.320a guy's going to say good enough unfortunately so there are men so a lot of the men that you're
01:00:29.460describing i would argue are simpson disguise okay these are individuals who may have been late
01:00:36.440bloomers uh financially uh physically and because they weren't used to being able to pick a better
01:00:45.940caliber of women when they finally start getting attention to it they just almost like gravitated
01:00:52.000and formed an attachment of one of the ones that kind of was quick enough to get to him
01:00:56.420she's pretty she's beautiful she's feminine she treats me well um five years ago 10 years ago i
01:01:02.980wasn't getting this and she's hot i'll accept her pass that happens all the time um what i'm
01:01:08.760suggesting is is that the guy what i the guy that every woman wants is the guy that won't actually
01:01:18.620accept it the guy who has stand what i'm basically saying is a lot of the women that say they want a
01:01:27.600certain type of caliber of man they wouldn't even know where to find him if you pointed him out
01:01:31.540They don't know what lounges to go to. They don't know what events they don't know what conferences. So they assume that the gym or at work or or or just it's just going to find me or he's going to he's going to pull up in my DMs that the man that every woman wants.
01:01:49.860he's typically not doing most of those things he's going to a private gym he's going to a social club
01:01:57.040he's going to conferences he works 70 hours a week this individual is so hard to actually come
01:02:05.180into the same spaces with and if you weren't raised by a mom or aunt or somebody to put you
01:02:09.780on game you're just going to be going by trial and error through man after man after man so
01:02:16.060unfortunately um yeah there are men that's going to accept it the women who see those men that
01:02:23.260accept women that live that way or have acted that way or are still doing it they don't even
01:02:27.900want those men but wouldn't your grandfathers call you guys all simpsons disguise like they're
01:02:34.780like like imagine like a guy from the 1920s right and he said like you were accepting a
01:02:39.820a non-virgin woman as a wife do you know what i mean like back then either like we got we got to
01:02:45.720stop we got to stop well i mean whatever damage okay but whatever damage they did they're like
01:02:51.980my grandma was married at like 16 i think 18 so i mean okay there might have been you know
01:02:59.520pearl if grandma was getting if grandma was getting married at 16 she was putting out at 15
01:03:03.500you hear me no i know at 16. everybody was no virgin 40 60 years right okay but you can still
01:03:11.720say that with the eight they could say like you know the list is going to go on and on
01:03:16.300like the women of the past were in better shape they married younger they knew how to do more
01:03:21.300and what we've seen is every generation of guys just keeps accepting it like i don't well well
01:03:27.700with that you you say that marriage rates are declining and men are also going overseas
01:03:33.040then maybe this generation of men isn't as simpy as we're making them out to be
01:03:38.440magtow men going their own way actually is something so if men are going their own way
01:03:44.100there's a male loneliness epidemic and men are going abroad then a lot of men actually aren't
01:03:50.480signing up to get married period let alone to the women in the states right but but i wish men were
01:03:56.680going abroad but the stats don't really say that in mass like the women the women are the ones that
01:04:02.120are mostly female travelers like women are like 80 percent of solo travel it's not really
01:04:07.520like it's more women that do it than men and yeah that's yeah and like you know i'm with you i'm
01:04:14.380just i don't i just foresee like marriage getting pushed to be like older and older and older in
01:04:20.420the future i think it's going to be like 35 40 i think it's not going to be i think like um the
01:04:26.480only fans is going to bleed even into like business settings where like yeah i think like
01:04:32.240you're gonna fret like even in business settings there might be like a wife or two there where like
01:04:37.920she did only fans when she was young do you know i want to predict i'm going to predict something
01:04:42.400as well and tell me what you think about this i predict that it's going to be polygyny and
01:04:48.320polygamy is actually going to be as normalized as only fans the next 15 years i agree two ways though
01:04:56.080the reason why i say the whole all these men can't be simps is because there's too many women
01:05:00.720complaining about where's the good men if if we're all projecting out then in 2030 a huge percentage
01:05:06.800of women are going to be childless and single and a lot of men is a male loneliness epidemic
01:05:12.560then a lot of people actually aren't getting married or staying married so my view is is that
01:05:17.520actually all these women are not going to stay single for the rest of their lives they're actually
01:05:22.880going to start sharing what you think i agree but they'll share share until they get married
01:05:29.360like i think i think i'm talking about openly yeah like atlanta georgia two years ago a friend
01:05:37.720a friend of ours uh she had a little house get together for a birthday and a girlfriend of hers
01:05:42.200that was living and staying in atlanta had flown up and she was telling us that the dating market
01:05:46.680was so lopsided because so many of the men down there were gay or bi that the ratio of men was
01:05:54.920was anywhere between five to one to seven to one in terms of women to straight men so she was saying
01:06:00.920there were men who were going out on dates with three women that's awesome like right now right
01:06:07.080now in atlanta there's men going on dates with multiple women no so they're not going to wait
01:06:12.840for marriage they're going to go many of them are going to go if if you get to 35 to 40 in this
01:06:19.800culture where everything's on social media and everybody wants to show that they got the ring
01:06:23.960and everybody wants to show a certain lifestyle you're either going to settle for a guy you really
01:06:29.880didn't want you're going to stay single or you may potentially be girlfriend number two three or four
01:06:36.600yeah so i agree with you but they do that in their 20s like dan bolzerian they all follow
01:06:42.440all his ex-girlfriends and they're all married now but they were sharing dan bolzerian in their
01:06:48.44020 oh yeah they're like they're on the jets i can't yeah and so women are but this idea that
01:06:54.200women will be happy with the alpha god like i i do alpha beta i hate the terms i just can't think
01:06:59.880of a better you know term but women aren't happy with anything so like you know for example i'll
01:07:08.120take i'll tell you yeah no like this idea that like because the thing is when you date a guy
01:07:13.880with options women take that in my opinion you could disagree if you want but the women can take
01:07:21.720that for so long but sometimes most women crash out because the anxiety just gets to them a case
01:07:28.120i think of is katy perry russell brand you know she yeah she had you know she had russell brand
01:07:34.280she was super happy then she crashed out then she married orlando bloom did the beta thing for a
01:07:39.560while crashed out again now she'll be back you know i mean we've seen rollo's charts just you
01:07:44.280know women the most uncomfortable thing is women are kind of designed to be passed around it's just
01:07:49.720yeah hold on wait uh i wouldn't their their biology i actually don't think that's true
01:07:58.840i if if anybody biology is designed to be passed around it's men well okay yeah our bio our biology
01:08:06.920is literally designed for us to not well then why aren't women with one why aren't women with
01:08:12.600one man for life why did women have to like well you have to understand if i was married to someone
01:08:17.720on the tribe and my guy got killed i had to get passed like i had to get passed to survive you
01:08:25.800you know, victims of war. Every guy that's married, you're like every guy that's married,
01:08:30.640your wife most likely belonged to someone else before you. It's like everybody. So
01:08:36.280listen, I get the past around, like my view is at like when I, what I'm coming from is through
01:08:41.960the lens that our biology is hardwired for men to be able to have meaningless and commitmentless
01:08:48.560sex. I think women are trying to match our energy and it's ending up poor for them. I don't think
01:08:53.320they're designed to do it i think that's why um for them you know uh so many other uh physiological
01:09:01.640things are going on during sex and when they're climaxing and how they'll react and respond as
01:09:06.600a result of it in comparison to us men we don't have to know your name we we don't have to we
01:09:13.240don't have to know who you are ever see you again now there are women that move like that but the
01:09:17.720majority of women do want to feel safe feel like they you know that that there's some type of form
01:09:22.680of connection feel like he's fairly charismatic there's all these other hoops that women have to
01:09:27.080think through to get to that point to do that especially if they're not doing like my view is
01:09:31.640this women women that try women that can match men that have a very very high body count more often
01:09:41.000than not there's usually something wrong they end up having they're either working in an industry
01:09:47.160the sex industry they they're crashing out they're spiraling and for a woman to have sex with a
01:09:53.560different man every week something is wrong well for a man to do hold on for a man to do that yeah
01:09:59.480he rich or he looks good that's it well i'm not saying that maybe women have the same sexual
01:10:06.760variety as say like men i'm not saying we're the same but if women were designed to be monogamous
01:10:12.840why is it when we unleashed all the freedoms women fought for nothing more than to be whores
01:10:19.500even when women get even when women even when women get the top guy they leave him anyway
01:10:25.180you know it's like yeah i won't i won't use that word in terms of whores but i not i i'll give you
01:10:31.960several points in response to that number one in order to have choice and be able to grow
01:10:38.900we must be allowed to make mistakes so the problem is is that we i think for whatever reason
01:10:47.800we assume that every you literally said it yourself earlier men and women typically have
01:10:54.460to make mistakes um in order to kind of learn from them right the issue is that what if i was
01:11:00.120to say that i actually don't think it's necessarily about women wanting to be whores as much as they
01:11:07.280want the freedom to choose, but also the freedom from the consequences of that choice when they've
01:11:13.780chosen poorly. That's very different than all women want to be whores. What I'm distinguishing
01:11:19.800is, no, there's certain women that do that as a lifestyle, but in terms of just having sex with
01:11:26.820rampant men, a huge percentage of these women that are racking up 10 guys, 20 guys, 30 guys,
01:11:32.580even 40 guys they're racking it up because they want the freedom to be able to choose the guy
01:11:39.220that they think that they can latch on to and connect with and build with potentially long term
01:11:43.500but when it doesn't work out or he cheats I'll say it this way on the sharing my truth uh podcast I
01:11:52.280basically said something along the lines of I noticed this pattern with women coming in and
01:11:56.740out of relationship in and out of relationship in our relationships and most of them are always
01:11:59.980the ones that's initiating the breakup and a lot of times it's about cheating and i'm saying wait
01:12:04.620wait a minute and i'm talking to the one-on-one and i'll say things like wait let me get this
01:12:09.880straight you don't want the man that most women don't want and ignore you don't want to date women
01:12:16.360you don't want to stay by yourself you only want to date the men that all other women are also
01:12:22.800attracted to and want and you keep leaving him every time he does the thing that attracted you
01:12:29.180which is messing around with other women and i asked them this simple question if you had to
01:12:34.460choose between one man and giving him 20 choices or 20 men and giving them one chance which would
01:12:43.740you choose woman after woman after woman i don't tolerate cheating first or second time i'm done
01:12:52.220and my argument is wait a minute that's how you're building up the body counts that's how people like
01:12:58.140pearl and people in black pill are calling y'all and all this other stuff it's actually because
01:13:04.380you want the freedom to choose and you want the freedom to leave but you don't want to deal with
01:13:09.260the consequences that comes with constantly going from man to man to man you don't want to deal with
01:13:13.580the labels you want to deal with the stigma you don't want to deal with the judgment so i wouldn't
01:13:18.380say that by and large all women are in america are trying to be whores i think it is that they
01:13:24.700want the freedom of not their father not their mother not the church not anybody else being able
01:13:30.380to dictate who they have access to who they want to pursue who they want to date and who they want
01:13:34.620to marry they want the freedom to choose that but they actually want the freedom from the consequences
01:13:39.340once they've chosen poorly well what do you think well i think it goes back to revealed preferences
01:13:44.860versus stated preferences okay so i can only watch what we're doing so you know you could say that
01:13:51.900like women want to be in relationships but i don't think women do i think men want relationships more
01:13:57.100than women to be honest um and the truth is right now we have hinge and any even an average girl on
01:14:04.220hinge you can get like i know overweight women with like five six seven ten thousand matches
01:14:11.740you can filter by age you can filter by height now i'm not saying like obviously there's going
01:14:17.820to be a percentage of guys that smash and pass there's going to be a percentage of guys you
01:14:22.540don't like but i mean out of like 10 000 come on there's somebody in there that'll date you and
01:14:28.300it'll work out with if women wanted it they would do it and we're releasing all the restraints
01:14:34.060and what i'm seeing is that women would rather be whores than wives and i see this based on um
01:14:40.860um, I think 20% of women in Gen Z are on OnlyFans. So when women have the most choice between 18 to
01:14:48.70025, and that's when I think when you have the most buying power, that's when you see what
01:14:52.720people really want to do. You know, like it's like the billionaire, the millionaire, you know,
01:14:57.280they get money and they start doing this crazy stuff. Well, they always wanted to do it. They
01:15:00.880just couldn't, they didn't have the money. So that's why I just think, um, I, I've, I think
01:15:07.860there's something in our biology that we're not as monogamous as we originally thought,
01:15:13.940unfortunately. Listen, it's definitely possible. I don't know that the evolutionary psychology
01:15:19.300really truly backs that up as much as are women in modern times using sex as a strategy up front
01:15:28.700instead of later as an incentive to convince these men to try to get with them. I think that's also
01:15:35.260happening too i think a lot of times there's women it's not even about like going through a million
01:15:39.480men on hinge as much as when it is the guy that they want this is what i have to give what any
01:15:45.960guy has expressed interest in me before so i need to kind of present this early and up front as soon
01:15:50.160as possible and then he doesn't want it because he's like man she she smashed me on the first
01:15:54.800night how often is she doing this she's on only fans too i'm out and now she's like all right let
01:15:58.800me try to use sex again and and a lot of times it's like what it is is i'm not always i'm not
01:16:05.240an eternal optimist again people call me a red pill therapist it's just that human psychology
01:16:11.020is sometimes a little bit more complex that we try to reduce it to in terms of black and white stuff
01:16:15.460and i know that a lot of women are using sexuality as the mating strategy to try to lock these men
01:16:23.520down don't women use kids to try to lock men down yeah so why wouldn't they also many of them try
01:16:30.120to also use sex. But what happens if the thing that they keep displaying up front and early is
01:16:35.760the actual thing that's the deterrent once he has post-nut clarity? And they're not making that
01:16:41.480connection. So when you go through a decade worth of doing this and now you're 30 and things still
01:16:48.000haven't worked out and you're like, I know guys like sex. They want sex. I'm giving it up front
01:16:53.660and it's still not working out. What am I doing wrong? They're not working with a therapist to
01:16:59.060kind of point them through that loop so that's really you know now is that the case for all
01:17:03.620women of course not but that's where it comes from where something in my field and uh and you
01:17:09.020know discipline i have to look at all these different motivating factors for why we get
01:17:13.460stuck in these type of loops right but it's always like convenient that they start like
01:17:18.800they start looking for solutions when they have less choice do you know what i mean like it's
01:17:25.640like if you really wanted to be in a relationship like you you would have done it you know no
01:17:33.020there's a difference between being in a relationship and being in the the relationship you want
01:17:38.200they're using sex to try to lure and get the men that they want to want them long term
01:17:47.000they're using sex and the men that they want other women want and these men are like nope nope nope
01:17:54.560nope nope uh actually y'all i'm not getting married at all like that also that's that's
01:17:59.120happening a lot so you know i i get it um i i get that people you know feel like the women of today
01:18:08.160are probably the worst ever and there might be some evidence to that but but my view is and you're
01:18:13.520right they do tend to start to level out and start to wake up once they get that 30 35 well i just i
01:18:19.760don't think women are as monogamous as people previously believed that's really my opinion i
01:18:24.720think women are like i i don't really buy that like women are as monogamous as we thought
01:18:32.560would you say it's not that they're necessarily as monogamous as they are possessive
01:18:39.360um can you say the question in a different way i don't really understand what you're asking
01:18:43.680what i'm asking is is it are we confusing women being monogamous with with being possessive of
01:18:53.920men so what i'm basically saying is what is it about women breaking up relationships when he
01:18:58.960steps outside of the monogamy so she's punishing him for not being monogamous that's often the
01:19:06.640case with most relationships that's why a lot of women are leaving because he's stepping outside
01:19:11.200out of the monogamous agreement you said earlier that i'm saying is that but what if but what if
01:19:16.040it's more so that that actually they're not necessarily monogamous by nature they're
01:19:22.100possessive by nature when he's mine he's mine and i don't have to share him so i'll agree with you
01:19:28.580maybe women aren't necessarily maybe we're confusing monogamy with possessiveness once
01:19:32.900they've locked the guy down they're maybe they're not as monogamous as we thought they're actually
01:19:37.360possessive once they believe a man belongs to them. Women are definitely possessive, but
01:19:43.060no, I still don't think women are as monogamous as we thought.
01:19:50.120Yeah, maybe. And let's say I grant you that. I agree with you. And let's take out the word
01:19:56.180monogamous and say possessive. Women are actually very possessive of the men that they want and are
01:20:03.820with, but maybe they aren't as monogamous as we used to think. And I can say, you know what,
01:20:08.860there's probably some significant data I haven't looked into that probably reflects you being
01:20:12.980actually right about that. I mean, it's not data. I just look outside.
01:20:20.920You said yourself, that's what I was going to say, that women cheat more than men.
01:20:24.520So I just look at what's going on. No, no, no. It's definitely fair. Yeah. I think that they're
01:20:31.020more possessive. So that makes sense. Okay. So why do you see men sticking it out in relationships
01:20:38.220and women not in your field? Oh yeah. The number one central reason is the elevation or centralization
01:20:46.500around happiness. Men will stay in undesirous marriages and relationships for a whole host
01:20:54.240of reasons. It could be because of that's what he's used to for the sake of the kids,
01:20:58.900for the sake of finances for the sake of his name and his brand and his legacy and a whole host of
01:21:03.780things um even when he's not getting sex um you know whereas on the flip side person after person
01:21:11.700after person that i talk to uh women are kind of being reinforced this thing that the most important
01:21:17.640thing is your happiness and i've asked women flat out if you had to choose between your own happiness
01:25:30.280the most i'm gonna say something and i know i'm gonna get killed for this and i'm just starting
01:25:35.300with podcasting women are not loyal to you as a man women are loyal to their feelings
01:25:42.740and if their feelings are positive about you she'll be positive towards you but if her feelings
01:25:49.080are negative towards you she will not be loyal to you so if you look at it through that lens
01:25:54.740the woman who has an elevated view of her feelings and emotions and her happiness
01:25:59.220she'll never be loyal to you she never was she was loyal to her feelings about you does that
01:26:04.500make sense oh it makes perfect sense whenever we say anything i just add like right now you know
01:26:12.020i love you right now i think this right now so yeah no i totally agree with you um what do you
01:26:23.860think about the married men are happier stat do you think that is true um conservatives always
01:26:30.020cite that married men are happier i personally think that um their wives are sitting next to them
01:26:36.260so they go oh no uh i i don't believe any of these stats when it comes to happiness uh scales okay and
01:26:47.780part of the reason is because there's too many variables that are not being included these are
01:26:52.740oftentimes simple yes or no questions that's a little bit more complicated than i think we want
01:26:56.900to acknowledge and realize so for instance all these women that are claiming to be happy when
01:27:03.700they are single i'm like well at the same time we i'm seeing all this data that's saying the highest
01:27:09.780level of of diagnoses for anxiety and depression is in this population the highest level of
01:27:16.820prescription antipsychotics and antidepressants is in this same population and they have the high
01:27:22.420student loan debt they they're they're leading the lead in consumer spending they they have these
01:27:27.940mortgages that they're trying to shoulder by themselves and yet they they're the happiest
01:27:33.300people on the planet that that that's not adding up to me so that's why i like these stats the the
01:27:39.220this this data about who's the happiest all that the if anything i think all of these things are
01:27:44.740alive because it's convincing women you are your happiest when you're when you're by yourself
01:27:51.860in perpetuity and men are their happiest when they put themselves in marriages especially in
01:27:58.260the west and i'm like who's pushing who's pushing these articles who's pushing these studies that's
01:28:03.860telling men to keep getting married and telling women you're your happiest when you're single
01:28:08.980and i'm like i i don't i don't buy it i don't buy it and plus pulling women on happiness it's like
01:28:15.140one day we're happy one day we're not you know it's like what day did you take the study
01:28:19.700literal neuroticism is is more expressed in show so sorry for the fans body watching neuroticism
01:28:28.480is the wide range of expression of emotions and feelings women seem to display more emotions
01:28:35.740good and bad both extremes and the female population in comparison to men or males
01:28:41.140so like you said day in and day out it depends on the day it depends on the day so i'm like no
01:28:48.440no no no i don't buy don't buy women cope with not being happy with student
01:28:54.780student loan debt consumer spending alcoholism so why do you think that is
01:29:00.400um two of those you said consumer debt uh student loan debt and alcoholism yeah
01:29:10.640um because these are three easy things that they have very easy control over um like
01:29:18.420Like, for instance, it's extremely difficult to really put anything else in those areas that can't continue to sustain the lifestyle that they're trying to live.
01:29:28.580So, for instance, when I'm alone, when I don't have much going on, I can always fall back on my degree.
01:29:38.160I could always fall back on the things that kind of help self-soothe me to make me feel like, because what it's doing is reinforcing my ability to be able to still live the lifestyle I want.
01:29:47.400even if there's some drawbacks to it so for instance um you know if if you know in this
01:29:55.400most most recent administration um as dei and other things have kind of happened you're seeing
01:30:02.820a kind of change in tone with certain populations within the female population because a lot of them
01:30:08.940started getting layoffs now that whole that whole i can cope with my job thing or i don't need a man
01:30:15.120thing we're not hearing that as much as we was hearing in november so a lot of times it's because
01:30:21.560you have it and you can do it and it can it can allow you to still live the lifestyle that you
01:30:25.980want but if that job gets lost if that field gets standardized by ai all of a sudden you're looking
01:30:32.580back at the the other half that you said you didn't need so because they have it that's why
01:30:38.100they use it yeah i agree um so i think we're gonna go to the next part of the show will you
01:30:44.880give me therapy on some of my black pill ideas i got you i got you okay all right so i'm gonna
01:30:53.300read them to you um i'm gonna go through them all and then you can tell me which ones you want to
01:30:58.680address cup disagree agree okay so um one idea i have is that marriage is not a good deal for men
01:31:05.720and it's stupid for men to get married in 2025 um the reason i think this is just because it's
01:31:11.840unfavorable deal if someone's paid to do something bad um i can't really be shocked when they do it
01:31:19.360so unfavorable um i'd say it's not gonna get better so i had a lot of like more happiness
01:31:28.640in my life when i stopped being upset about um the things are the the way things are going
01:31:34.320but i think women are going to keep being whores um i expect um really
01:31:41.380like if you have kids i really think you should expect that their peers um there may be a mom or
01:31:50.780two with an only fans or an ex only fans and that's just going to be more normalized in society
01:31:56.080like for example i have a younger sister she's going to school with someone and this girl has
01:32:01.400only fans she just met her in her class i think i think yeah it's bleeding it's bleeding into the
01:32:06.200middle class going to be in the upper class um women are going to keep killing their kids and
01:32:11.000having abortions there's nothing you can do about it i used to be very pro-life um i still would say
01:32:16.600i ideologically am but i give up you guys win kill your kids move on um abortion's never going to go
01:32:23.000away move on um 10 90 um is the new norm women are going to keep banging and having kids with chad
01:32:30.680tyrone gloctavius and gavin the starving musician um average men average men are going to keep
01:32:38.180getting iced out of the sexual marketplace um it's going to get harder and harder for men to get laid
01:32:43.220meaning those men will accept the only fans and the fat women later um as we've that trend we've
01:32:50.440really just kept seeing um women's debt and spending is only going to increase especially
01:32:55.560student loan debt somehow men will end up paying for it there's no such thing as a good woman just
01:33:01.760the right circumstance so I think a lot of women um and I even like there's a point where I would
01:33:07.280think to myself well you know um I've never been on a yacht I've never done the Dan Bolserian thing
01:33:13.860I wouldn't do any of that stuff and then I thought about it like really in depth and I think it's
01:33:19.000really easy for like men that have like never cheat or never had the option to cheat to say
01:33:24.100they wouldn't cheat and I'm like I was never invited on any of these yachts and I was like
01:33:31.100you know what I don't know what I would do because I never got that invite and so it made me think
01:33:38.760even further that really a lot of women's behavior is just circumstantial because at the end of the
01:33:45.280day if you were as a woman your husband died and you had to hop on the next guy in order to survive
01:33:52.040you'd probably do it and we've seen that in all of history um and most men she's not yours it's
01:33:58.120just your turn um whoever yeah whoever you married um someone had a turn not i didn't mean that
01:34:05.320towards you but you know in general for mad sorry someone had a turn before you most likely someone
01:34:11.800will have a turn after you whether that's in death or um her leaving so yeah and that's that's my
01:34:18.440black pilled ideas are there any you disagree with you think i'm wrong okay i'm gonna have so
01:34:24.360much work to do in this conversion process all right all right so for starters um let's agree
01:34:31.400that marriage although you say marriage is a bad deal for all men i absolutely think it certainly
01:34:38.920is probably not a good deal for most men but i'm going to argue from the lens that throughout human
01:34:46.040history when did all men get entitled to marriage and women and children ever never never well never
01:34:55.240never there was never a civilization where all men were always entitled to have a wife
01:35:01.960and kids so the first thing is as a man most of you don't deserve a wife and don't deserve to even
01:35:12.600be it's the idea literally what you said you're discussing something that isn't even meant for you
01:35:19.000every civilization there were men that had to meet certain prerequisites before you were even in
01:35:23.960discussion this meant all men all men talking about marriage and how unfavorable it is and
01:35:31.000i would never do this never never do that's like me talking about i would never date beyonce
01:35:35.800that's never on the table for you bro there's there's a in every civilization the one percenters
01:35:43.060the one to five percenters today are the equivalent of dukes and monarchs and kings
01:35:48.520in previous civilizations a very small substrata of men if marriage was ever on a table it was
01:35:56.040actually meant for them number two um i view marriage today as the way in which many of us
01:36:04.700that's really been too big into music like as you see i got stevie wonder behind me
01:36:08.460i'm back in the day old school music just had something right you had the stevie wonders you
01:36:13.740had the michael jackson's you had the princess the whitney houston's you just had an era of the 70s
01:36:18.940and 80s and part of the 90s where it was like music was music and everybody knew and recognized
01:36:24.780and said that's a hit and you and it was like it was something that came over you where music was
01:36:29.900amazing. And then today, when we talk about music today, what's the big complaint? Everybody say
01:36:35.640music sucks, right? And we still call it music, but we say it doesn't even compare. That is how
01:36:42.540I would kind of view marriage in a modern sense, especially in westernized countries.
01:36:48.460Marriage, we associate the modern adaptation and implementations of what the American government
01:36:55.280and westernized governments have done with marriage marriage originally was just an agreement
01:37:00.680between two individuals potentially their god their family and their community everything else
01:37:07.920everything else was added family court signing paperwork at the courthouse all that other stuff
01:37:16.320is a modern adaptation of what we're adding on to it my view is you know what granted divorce rates
01:37:24.140are crazy uh uh family courts are insane there's a lot of really really bad incentives that women
01:37:33.160who are on their way out can try to strive to get and extract from this man i get all of those
01:37:38.320things if the biggest hurdle for you is the family court process the the child support and all this
01:37:44.960other stuff you can come up with a life contract where it's just between you two and you can cover
01:37:51.480every single domain of what your life would normally have been impacted if you two got married
01:37:56.120and have it in a contract. But because it's a life contract, you can set it up to be renewed
01:38:01.080every three to five years. So if she's on her good behavior and she's on her last year of her lease,
01:38:07.560you get to renew that contract. We can make some new changes. But when you put it in the state's
01:38:13.940hands, no wonder your view of marriage is what it is. And I agree. From a logical standpoint,
01:38:20.300i agree with you i agree with all these men well adapt instead of being like i quit i won't deal
01:38:26.540with women i won't do this i won't do that unless you want to be a genetic dead end this is a
01:38:31.500potential alternative that perhaps you haven't thought of um what you think well i think that
01:38:40.540i just i just spent some jewels just now that you said cosplay
01:38:49.300no no i'll get to him i'll get to him okay okay because why is the brown and white
01:38:54.880but um i don't really see the because the life contract you know i mean that's not gonna hold
01:39:04.700up in court no a lot so when i say lifestyle contract um everything that we're contractually
01:39:11.140agreeing to in terms of assets finances um um who's paying for health insurance these are things
01:39:17.720you two as individuals can just do we can establish a contract with lawyers over anything
01:39:22.260yeah i've just but the only the only thing the only caveat with that idea believe it or not
01:39:28.720is you have to factor in common law in every state and you're probably still going to have
01:39:34.780to have two residences where two to three times a week you do not stay in the same residence but
01:39:40.140other than that you do everything else together yeah i mean you can develop strategies but then
01:39:44.720the law will like you can't really predict the laws that will be implemented in the future
01:39:49.020and women are getting more political power and women are the major voting block that politicians
01:39:55.600are catering to so you can't really predict the future of the other thing is to just just so you
01:40:03.820know i've interviewed men that have had just every type of strategy imaginable like that's how a lot
01:40:09.180i don't know if you saw the intro but like the divorce documentary i had a guy literally go to
01:40:14.540his like secretary of state or i don't know whatever it's called however you get a law
01:40:19.240changed in the state yeah yeah and his kid got transitioned like his kid like and he did and
01:40:26.360so yeah i just i would feel bad almost encouraging men to get married because you know there's a
01:40:34.520percentage of them that aren't going to make it out alive there's just it's just going to happen
01:40:38.640you know um listen yeah i'm as a person who's going through it all yeah and married now i'm
01:40:45.820the first to say marriage isn't for everybody marriage i would even argue isn't for most people
01:40:49.920men or women um but the secondary uh thing that i didn't bring up is a lot of women associate
01:40:57.720if you mention the abortion rates being as crazy high as they are a lot of women will not give men
01:41:04.380access to children without without marriage so men that are choosing to opt out of marriage and
01:41:11.420still figure out a way to have children i feel like you're statistically setting your child up
01:41:17.180for every major disadvantage um that doesn't mean that you're guaranteed with it being in a marriage
01:41:22.940but you're just almost guaranteeing every statistical disadvantage when you have you
01:41:28.300skipped the marriage step and say but we're still going to do the kid thing so there's definitely
01:41:32.780pros and cons but you know i'll let you have it well i just think you're not that guy to her
01:41:37.500like every girl has a guy she would have a kid for outside of marriage and if you're
01:41:43.640yeah like believe me i know yeah so yeah so it's like you know um the other the other thing i
01:41:52.660wanted to sorry um did you still want to go on with that or did you want to go to another black
01:41:56.060no you can go to another one it's fine all right so all right out of a grade i'm probably gonna
01:42:01.340give myself a d because i didn't really hit you all right i'm gonna go to some some some more
01:42:05.340heavier stuff this whole entire interview that we've had together so far
01:42:09.980black pill from a male lens it's like they almost can't find almost anything positive or redeemable
01:42:19.600about women especially in the west right they they feel like we're cooked society is crumbling
01:42:25.640we're just waiting for the species to die off and women are a huge part of the blame for it
01:42:30.180fair one of the biggest gripes from myself and men that are pointing out about third and fourth
01:42:38.020wave feminists and feminism is that the representatives of it the women that identify
01:42:43.680with that can't see any good in men they say men are dogs men ain't worth nothing um if i
01:42:53.340choose a bear but if i was in the woods i choose a bear over a man they will mentally jump through
01:43:00.140hoops to always believe all women which means by default men are guilty always like they will
01:43:06.540basically see only the worst in the entire male species and they'll take the worst examples of
01:43:13.900what men are capable of doing or doing and project that onto all men what if black pale male thought
01:43:23.180processes about women what if y'all are twins think think of how you feel what you think of how
01:43:32.300extreme how these feminists and especially the extremist ones how they think and talk about men
01:43:38.160they don't see no value they see no purpose they only look at us through the lens of what they can
01:43:43.060use us for and they were only good for resources and that's it when men or people who have a black
01:43:48.600pill mindset basically say women are only good for the holes that they have and nothing else
01:43:55.880i think we've morphed to a point in this conversation where black pill is starting
01:44:02.200to look and sound like the equivalent of third and fourth wave feminists with how they see men
01:44:09.160what you think i agree it's the same i just think the feminists are wrong and the black pill is right
01:44:14.520because i you know i think women just have a naturally evil nature
01:44:20.280okay okay i think women like i think when women are good they got it from their dad
01:44:26.280so oh okay yeah so like it comes from a man it's like if a woman's really good at something
01:44:33.100a man taught her like but you put a group of women on an island together they'll just kill each other
01:44:38.740well to be honest with you I think they would die off from from not being able to do a whole
01:44:44.680host of things to survive but that's neither here nor there the the main point I was trying
01:44:49.100to drive home is when we do this with men and we do this with women me coming into this space
01:44:55.380I like to believe that a lot of the stereotypes that's typically associated with my community
01:45:00.260black community I'm not currently displaying and I don't know if you feel that way
01:45:04.300A lot of people feel like in my community, we don't read, we're overly emotional, we're irrational, we are ghetto, we're hood, we're uncouth, we have no class.
01:45:16.520And I like to believe that somebody like me is displaying the total opposite.
01:45:23.080And my view of my argument is there are people on both sides that don't display the worst aspects of said group.
01:45:30.440and whether that's black people whether that's indians whether that's women whether that's men
01:45:35.420yes even with this there's reasons for the stereotypes to exist in the first place and
01:45:41.440there are people that are living it i don't know that it when we say all women are all men are all
01:45:49.600black people are that we're actually truly hitting home to the reality of the situation
01:45:54.080no i do not think gangbangers and and and gangsters um and are the the the true representation of
01:46:03.100all black people so no i don't think all women are the worst the worst species ever i don't
01:46:10.320think all men if it doesn't apply let it fly you know yeah yeah yeah yeah but it doesn't make it
01:46:16.160like untrue you know i just you know like if a third of men were murdering people i'd be pretty
01:46:21.460afraid of men but a third of women are killing their own children and we're like yeah they're
01:46:28.340not so i'm like i don't know and you know what before i get back to the black pill i want to
01:46:34.180i'm going to share with you the one thing that me you are in agreement on for sure when it comes to
01:46:37.860black because i'm not red pill about this at all okay when it comes to abortion in my community
01:46:42.740black community specifically we have the highest rates of abortion to live birth ratios nearly
01:46:50.260one abortion for every two births one abortion for every two births oh yeah seven some stats
01:46:57.940are saying it's over seven million uh abortions have occurred in the black community so when you
01:47:05.140factor in the clan the ku klux klan and you factor in the cia the greatest most dangerous age the
01:47:14.900most dangerous place for a black child in america is not in chicago it's not in philly it's not even
01:47:23.380in compton it's in the womb of a black woman in modern day america and i'll agree with that
01:47:30.260that is that's where i'm going to be like we we've moved so far from is it is it saving the
01:47:36.340life of the mother to like we're treating this like we're going to get our nails done i'll be
01:47:39.780back in a second oh yeah and like that that that i will 100 acknowledge that is and it's at its
01:47:46.500worst in my community so i'm going to be like there is no danger more dangerous place to be
01:47:53.060remember i said one in every two births one abortion for every two births so you're statistically
01:47:59.860most likely in in terms of danger the most dangerous place is in the womb of a black woman
01:48:05.940today yeah but i don't blame the cia or sanger any of that i just think women want to kill their kids
01:48:14.020no like i think it's very simple like everyone tries to put it on some grand plan or whatever
01:48:20.660but i've shown women abortion videos and been like hey it's pretty gross
01:48:24.580this is wrong don't you think showed them the whole video they don't care
01:48:28.980well you know what i do not care and and if it was up to them if it was up to them they
01:48:34.100would kill the kids after birth oh they would if it was up to them i bet you women if they could
01:48:41.300vote if a woman had a hundred percent voting power they could kill the kid a year after birth
01:48:46.340and i looked this up because i was when i really gave up on the abortion thing i looked up the
01:48:51.540infant mortality rate in the 1800s and look this is me speculating but i just think it's too
01:48:58.180convenient that a third of kids died um before the age of five in the 1800s and then magically
01:49:04.980when abortion's legal it's the same rate it is the same rate too big of a i've actually looked
01:49:10.500it up yeah and then then i'm finding out like the nuns they just found like 200 babies killed in a
01:49:16.980nunnery and i'm like if the nuns were doing it we're done so we are cooked we're done we're
01:49:23.140moving this debate right now well that's not really a debate i mean i say i say enjoy the
01:49:29.620decline but like my baseline when i meet women is i'm kind of scared of them like i don't know what
01:49:34.820they're because as soon as i talk about this stuff remember they treat me like they treat a lot of you
01:49:39.300guys and there's nothing like a scored woman so my baseline is you guys are you guys and even you
01:49:45.540know i'm not saying i'm perfect either like sometimes i'm like i'm like damn you know i
01:49:52.100I got to talk to my dad more, my boyfriend more, you know,
01:49:54.940cause they I'll have an idea and they'll just tell me it's stupid, you know?
01:51:56.900everything that you said about women you were the polar polar opposite and my view is is that if
01:52:06.240you were born in a culture working because we're told that oh the reason why i'm so masculine and
01:52:11.600so this and so that and so negative and why is because and why i'm so disagreeable and so this
01:52:16.680or that it's because i work so much your ability to be able to still respect people your ability
01:52:23.080to love the people around you you're probably great in your relationship you're probably really
01:52:27.960well with your genuine friends i don't get i don't get any of the you're in this space this is what
01:52:34.600you do for a living and a whole lot of negative animosity comes your way and if everything you
01:52:40.680said was as potent as it was it's almost like seeing you as an example the way in which it
01:52:49.400comes off it almost comes off like you're an anomaly and god must have took a day off when
01:52:53.860you was born no i don't think i'm special at all no i think there's a lot more pearls
01:52:59.940than they're not actually i actually believe that and in fact i interact with them and most of them
01:53:05.320are black so there's a hell of a lot of pearls that i know that are just genuinely dope good
01:53:10.200hearted people who you know can keep it real and may have their moments here and there because
01:53:15.560a human but for the most part they're not like assholes yeah and i yeah i think like that's that's
01:53:21.080a lot of people yeah but i gotta look at choices right and you know my life choices are pretty
01:53:27.580similar to most women so yeah i don't think i'm special or different so how is it if your life's
01:53:34.180choices are similar but your attitude and your mindset is totally different what i'm basically
01:53:39.120suggesting is a whole lot of women are also like you well they're probably surrounded by men
01:53:43.860and like good men but like that's what it goes back to i think the nature of women is evil and
01:53:49.420if we have good if we yeah like if we're left to our own like you know you put women together we
01:53:56.200become like yeah the only way you can have good women is like they learn from good men but that's
01:54:04.440it that's it i mean that's fair yeah second piece a second piece bro i said not only are you a great
01:54:11.520argument that there's women like that that do exist and we can find them even in the states
01:54:16.080and they have jobs um the reason why i said i'm also a really great argument about it
01:54:23.360the if we took black pill ideology and mindset to its furthest conclusion ultra pessimistic
01:54:30.480super negative it's beyond just being objective there is no hope i lived that i experienced the
01:54:39.360final form of black pill which is what's the purpose for why i'm still here what's the purpose
01:54:46.240and when my last relationship ended and i'm literally looking up at the sky and trying to
01:54:52.160decide like i'm screaming to this being that i don't see and saying what the hell is this and
01:55:01.280trying to decide if i'm gonna look down and end it and i literally i'm there is no light pearl
01:55:09.360there was no light. It was all dark. I saw no future. How can we get any worse than this?
01:55:14.960And what I'm saying is, in my lowest, darkest point, I literally just decided I'm going to stay
01:55:22.040and I'm going to work on trying to make progress even when there's no light to walk towards until
01:55:28.940I do. And when you take Black Pill to its final form and you get to that end point where you have
01:55:38.240to decide if you even want to still be here and you decide to stay and then you decide to put some
01:55:44.600work in and eat and you're walking towards a light that you don't see eventually the light shows
01:55:51.660itself and eventually you learn from your mistakes and you start to become a much better holistic
01:55:57.120person and what i'm saying is there's examples of you as a woman in modern culture who's running a
01:56:03.560a major big platform like this with employees, et cetera. And somebody like me who lived out
01:56:10.580Black Pill to its furthest extent and was there. Everybody bitching and complaining and talking
01:56:15.260about women ain't this, men ain't that. Y'all not really as pessimistic as you think you are.
01:56:20.420There is another level to this. When you get to the point where you don't want to live or exist
01:56:25.440anymore, that is Black Pill. You don't see value not in just women or men. You don't see value in
01:56:31.100life that was me well so for me so i'm saying this for me to come from that to marrying my wife
01:56:43.500having my child last year buying her home she could leave tomorrow the differences is this go
01:56:50.460around i have radical acceptance i have radical acceptance about what i have control over and what
01:56:56.220i don't and i have and i learned about all the things that i have control over how i can push
01:57:01.260it to its furthest extreme working out building up my network building up my finances uh choosing
01:57:08.460better in terms of how i'm interacting with people a lot of men aren't doing that work
01:57:14.140and i'm like if you did that it's impossible for you to stay black pill it's impossible but what
01:57:19.340you're describing well you're describing those depression black pill just means i think the
01:57:24.940world's going south like i i think this is the way the world's going yes but what i'm basically saying
01:57:30.060is in this final form yeah yeah but i'd say like that's a personal choice what you have to do with
01:57:34.540the information you know like if you get depressed about the information you know that's that's like
01:57:40.220a personal choice i'm not depressed about the information right i just i take it for what it is
01:57:47.500you know women have an evil nature any woman can destroy me or you at any time
01:57:51.860we'll probably statistically me and you will both be single parents at like 45 um
01:57:57.460but the difference i hope you and i hope not i hope i would really rather not do that but
01:58:06.620you know i can't control the universe you can't control the universe yeah so the difference is
01:58:13.840you have radical acceptance i have radical acceptance and like you said we both just have
01:58:18.860to choose how we're going to approach the things that we know we can't control that potentially
01:58:24.480could or could not happen for me i'm at a space where this is even why i'm sitting in front of
01:58:31.040you like i was starting to feel that way even when i wasn't depressed i was starting to go into that
01:58:38.020space in that zone and and that's why i'm kind of saying where it's like i know what this mindset
01:58:42.580that leads to for men who can't get a girlfriend for men who are seen as genetic dead ends and
01:58:50.280that end that i had or soon to be in that's why do you think we lead the race that we do in terms
01:58:55.380of taking ourselves up out of here so the reality is like a lot of the things that you're pointing
01:58:59.980out and we're all believing that is functionally true um the the lack of radical acceptance and
01:59:06.340the unwillingness to try to do what we can for what we have control over is why i think some
01:59:11.700people get stuck you're not stuck you're still working you're still moving you're still dating
01:59:17.180you're still living life a lot of these men that are all receiving this information are not
01:59:21.860and that's my challenge well i'm challenging men to be more like you well if if a guy is a genetic
01:59:30.400dead end isn't it like isn't it better he just accepts it like if that's his fate no because
01:59:38.360the meaning like the meaning of black pill is just accepting the futility of fighting against
01:59:44.140the feminist system it's like learning the rules of the game so you can play it better so for
01:59:48.900example accepting abortion yeah no that's a real tool mindset right no um i mean red pill is like
01:59:57.220the forums so so red pill is like um it's it's the study of human behavior so it's all the guys
02:00:06.340that were in the forums for like 20 30 years and like the notes that they took
02:00:10.580but yeah like i don't think it's got to be hopeless it's just like yeah women are going to
02:00:16.780kill kids unfortunately only fans is going to keep going it's all going to get worse and let's just
02:00:24.260you know but like it's not i i don't want to sell hope like and say you probably are going to stay
02:00:30.540married like i if i had to guess most people will get divorced or you know yeah yeah even as a
02:00:37.460therapist i don't i don't personally sell that either i especially when talking with men i
02:00:41.920actually want them to have a similar mindset to what you're saying statistically the odds are
02:00:45.860against you these are the pros and cons you need to go into go into this with your eyes wide open
02:00:50.860but there are options of how you can approach life that potentially you're choosing not to that can
02:00:56.480lead you to feeling hopeless and feeling like all is lost like no what you said as an alternative is
02:01:01.780i think they should be passport bros i'm like oh there's hope oh there are women well no no
02:01:09.340i just think it'd be cool for a guy to get a couple years of a good woman before she ruins
02:01:15.080his life you know but at least you'd get that like a few years while she's waiting for her visa you
02:01:21.880know but and the other on the bright side you know guys if you're a single dad someday women
02:01:26.920love single dads so you can just still date 22 year olds forever so well i'll tell you this
02:01:32.980pearl after this interview once it goes live my wife leaves me i'm gonna hit you up and then you
02:01:38.660gonna bring me back on my baby nah but but i'll talk so a i i uh those are my black black pill
02:01:47.600talking points i wanted to thank you um because you know i'm a therapist and most therapists stay
02:01:53.380out of these type of spaces and it's because we a lot of them only have the talking points of
02:01:59.360feminists and they wouldn't be able to give you any type of adequate pushback um or even be able
02:02:04.740to enter these type of spaces with the the feedback and the comments and people blowing up their
02:02:10.040personal lives i'm i'm at a place of peace in life where i'm like you know what man uh people
02:02:15.500have been telling me this for years at this time to get in this space that they think that a lot
02:02:19.340of things that I know is just interesting and different ways to view it. And I genuinely,
02:02:24.400genuinely appreciate you and your staff for, you know, giving me this crazy opportunity.
02:02:29.720Yeah, you're going to do great. I'm excited. Are you going to do like a therapy call-in show?
02:02:35.020I think that'd be awesome. Eventually, that's the goal. That's the goal to have to get people
02:02:39.380and do side-by-side where they're talking to me or do a panel of different people and see their
02:02:44.920thoughts and give some pushback um but yeah i'm excited yeah that'd be great um to end the show
02:02:52.080though we're gonna i want to read you the modern woman life cycle and i want you to say if you
02:02:58.200think this is true or untrue uh for each pointer at the end at the end so i'll read it and then you
02:03:04.300can just say if you think this is the the true life cycle so number one is modern women go to
02:03:10.400a high priced institution to get a degree that nobody cares about to put themselves in a whole
02:03:14.920bunch of debt that will be a burden for the rest of their lives all they learn in school is how to
02:03:19.460be disagreeable how to use men and how to be a whore number two modern women will get a job
02:03:25.200that's too stressful and that does not care about them in reality the job is not that hard or
02:03:30.400stressful but the women will convince themselves all of society that it is that's kind of why you
02:03:36.080see all the teachers striking and not the coal miners it's like you know modern women feel
02:03:41.180entitled to a certain lifestyle when they begin their careers and will buy houses and cars they
02:03:45.340can't afford spend all their money on travel while ignoring student debt uh modern women will wake up
02:03:50.980between the ages of 33 to 37 rush to have a kid uh find a husband or both modern women will hit
02:03:57.060their late 30s and early 40s and try to get pregnant by some loser or go through ivf you
02:04:02.140You know, that's when like the you get like the 38 year old pregnant by like Pookie, Ray, Ray, Nug, Nug or Gavin, the starving musician.
02:04:11.520Modern women will start at antidepressants and become alcoholics because their beauty is fading faster than they like and they don't know what to do.
02:04:19.900And then last but not least, buy a dog or a cat and die alone.
02:04:24.200i really really hope i still have a job after what i'm about to say
02:04:32.680the only i disagree with the dog i think it's mostly cats
02:04:38.880no i'm gonna say this i do think most of what you're saying is much more descript much more
02:04:49.260descriptive of millennials and gen z than the other older demographics because number one the
02:04:56.380older demographics didn't have the student loan debt the older demographics um didn't purchase
02:05:01.220homes as women on their own the older demographics uh statistically did get married earlier now they
02:05:07.140may have gotten divorced but a lot of the things that women that you're describing now in terms of
02:05:11.600life's journey this has really been a phenomenon that's really started to pick up in the late 90s
02:05:16.800and early 2000s. So that's the main, main distinction I would make is that it is true
02:05:22.800that there are a lot of women who get themselves into a lot of debt, don't think about the career
02:05:27.900that they're picking and whether or not it's going to actually pay for both the debt and the lifestyle
02:05:33.360and the home that they want. And they also want the man that comes in to be able to offload that
02:05:39.500onto him. And they don't typically, when talking to them, want to work at the same establishment
02:05:45.140for 40, 50 years. So there is a lot of truth to what you're saying, but I do say that I would
02:05:51.780draw the line between women who didn't do that either because they didn't have the opportunity
02:05:55.740to, or we just wasn't available versus the women where by default, everybody else is going to
02:06:01.100school. Everybody else is doing this. Everybody else is traveling each year. So I got to do the
02:06:05.560same. That really is a phenomenon that's kind of really, really shown itself with social media
02:06:11.460and with the explosion of the student loan costs so that's my feedback you said i thought gen x
02:06:18.080women met their husband their um husbands in college did they not yeah but they didn't have
02:06:23.740the student loan debt a lot of them went to school for free okay i mean yeah and then and because
02:06:29.520they met their husbands earlier and sooner they didn't they weren't buying homes the way that
02:06:33.420women are buying homes and outpacing men today so that's why i'm saying yeah just from a historical
02:06:38.460data standpoint we got to draw that line between well women that are 20 years older than us and
02:06:43.580everybody's in our age well because there is that lady that was going on the college campuses who
02:06:48.140went to school in the 70s and said she was a whore at college you know you know i'm talking about
02:06:54.220nah but yeah she just goes around telling girls not to be whores with the mic it's so funny she's
02:06:59.580like i was a whore it's so funny but but but but the um what i was gonna say though in a way they
02:07:09.500kind of just hop off because they they went to college and maybe didn't get the debt but then
02:07:14.400they got the house in divorce so they just like they just entered it later listen they they didn't
02:07:22.420get into unnecessary debt they they they you know they they they were lucky enough to not have the
02:07:28.900additional options that modern women did so they avoided some of the pitfalls other women are
02:07:33.600currently making now okay okay yeah but i'm glad to see we mostly that it's pretty i'll make a note
02:07:40.560um i um bear from the internet after like a week of people knowing i exist hey yeah
02:07:49.160oh um doug mpa is putting one more note he wants me to put in red pill is learning the nature of
02:07:56.540women black pill is accepting the evil nature of women and moving on with your life let's see you
02:08:02.100know what he mpa got he got a point man you got maybe you're converting me in some ways i'm not
02:08:12.180gonna say women i'm not gonna say all women are whores i'm just letting your audience know i'm
02:08:16.360not saying women are how many how many bodies tell the whore i mean like come on like most guys
02:08:22.200well most guys say what let's just say let me do the math on you guys's wives
02:08:29.000strippers you got to remember the strippers and the professional dancers are to be honored
02:08:34.200because they are providing a service that many of these women are not willing to offer once they
02:08:38.520get married so that's why i will never use that term because there are women that will do the
02:08:43.800dirty work so we got to you got to remember that well they like being called horse they
02:08:48.600They even tell the men in, like, sex to, like, you know.
02:08:52.840Maybe I was not that guy because nobody's ever told me to say that.
02:08:56.640You see, like, Bonnie Blue and, like, Lily Phillips.
02:08:59.160They're, like, going on the podcast saying, yep, I am a whore.