Pearl - Jeff St James ｜ The Sitdown

00:00:00.000 Five, four, three, two, one.

00:00:04.880 So there's this clip going viral online

00:00:07.120 of a dozen women being asked the following question.

00:00:10.400 Do we need men? 1.00

00:00:12.760 Most answered very quickly, no, because men are useless. 0.99

00:00:18.480 This headline from The Hill, it caught my eye. 0.98

00:00:21.320 Most young men are single.

00:00:23.020 Most young women are not. 0.88

00:00:24.260 Young men have fallen faster than any demographic in America

00:00:27.760 over the last 40 years.

00:00:28.960 It's a different world now. We don't need men the way that they used to.

00:00:32.100 Nobody needs men! 1.00

00:00:33.340 The future is female. 1.00

00:00:36.420 Men and women are drifting further apart, and society is crumbling because of it. 0.99

00:00:42.940 A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.

00:00:46.180 You've kind of got the trad con versus red pill thing.

00:00:48.880 This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.

00:00:52.440 You need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.

00:00:56.360 Marriage is a bond, and it's a sacred bond.

00:00:59.160 It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.

00:01:02.180 Now many of the red-pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married. 0.99

00:01:07.120 Hannah Pearl Davis, or just pearly things.

00:01:10.760 One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.

00:01:14.420 She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.

00:01:17.280 Because if me and you were in a business contract,

00:01:19.480 you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.

00:01:22.440 Gee, what could go wrong there?

00:01:24.540 74% or something of divorces are initiated by women. 0.53

00:01:28.200 Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children. 0.81

00:01:31.080 Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws. 0.73

00:01:33.700 I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.

00:01:38.720 Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse.

00:01:41.940 You need no evidence.

00:01:43.080 When you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for,

00:01:46.740 and you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.

00:01:50.120 I interviewed them on the other side.

00:01:52.680 I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.

00:01:54.960 How much did you spend trying to get him back?

00:01:57.100 The legal fees alone was about $200,000.

00:01:59.460 Before you know it, you're homeless.

00:02:00.900 You're literally just thrown out onto the street.

00:02:02.800 We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women. 1.00

00:02:05.200 Wives are taught to leave their husbands, 0.96

00:02:07.140 and then daughters grow up without their fathers.

00:02:09.460 Family is the foundation of society.

00:02:11.220 Every problem in society comes from single mother homes. 1.00

00:02:14.180 A lot of women will just chase this negative rabbit hole of happiness, endless happiness. 1.00

00:02:18.660 Feminism's biggest failure is it lies to women. 1.00

00:02:20.580 We tell women to date as many guys as possible.

00:02:22.480 We tell them to put off family and a marriage. 0.92

00:02:24.240 You are allowed to leave your perfect husband.

00:02:27.000 You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend. 0.99

00:02:31.440 Oh, freeze your ex, have an abortion. 1.00

00:02:33.220 What? You're evil. 1.00

00:02:34.460 I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.

00:02:38.340 Like if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic,

00:02:42.460 naturally the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.

00:02:45.200 It's self-sabotage.

00:02:46.120 And that's the thing, like women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy. 1.00

00:02:49.600 this is not about happiness the most important thing is the children and the problem is we have

00:02:55.000 a modern society where it's me me me my feelings leave when I feel like it instead of doing what's

00:03:00.680 best for the kids this myth that we live in an age of male privilege where's my male privilege

00:03:06.160 they think well men have all the rights they have all the power privilege patriarchal system that 0.94

00:03:10.960 we have why doesn't our society care about men's rights I have no friends no way and no social life

00:03:17.100 Men are alone in this situation.

00:03:19.220 Men are homeless.

00:03:20.160 Men are thinking about eating guns.

00:03:21.960 I've seen so many men on the brink of suicide and they didn't do anything wrong.

00:03:26.380 How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?

00:03:31.780 The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.

00:03:35.680 Women are helplessly dependent upon men. 0.99

00:03:38.280 The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose to alcohol, three times higher among men than among women.

00:03:45.120 Culture is telling men you are no good. You've got to get your act together. I think men have failed themselves. What kind of a man are you?

00:03:50.940 What kind of a woman are you going to attract? If men are in trouble, so are women. Everybody knows this is a huge problem, 1.00

00:03:57.480 but nobody wants to admit it. Every single woman at the table said they wanted a man to get 500k, 300k, 200k.

00:04:03.880 Am I crazy? Everything is really set up against you to fail as a man. If men make less than women, women don't want to marry them.

00:04:10.640 So you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men?

00:04:14.800 Women. 0.81

00:04:16.300 I don't want to be an independent woman anymore.

00:04:18.440 I don't want to be a strong, independent woman.

00:04:20.700 I'm over it.

00:04:21.860 When is it going to be my turn?

00:04:23.160 Where are we meeting the men that don't stop?

00:04:24.920 I can't keep having these same conversations.

00:04:27.700 The only simp here is you, Pearl. You simp for men. 1.00

00:04:29.380 No, I think you simp for women. 1.00

00:04:31.020 She's a provocateur. She says stupid stuff. 1.00

00:04:33.160 But Pearl is right about this. 1.00

00:04:34.420 It's already happening. It's just not out in the open yet.

00:04:36.980 Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairy tale ending

00:04:39.660 because men don't want a wife and women can't find a husband the future if everybody follows 0.99

00:04:44.780 your path is there is no future we go into population decline and our economy goes into

00:04:49.740 decline civilization will crumble the american story does not end well this is an existential

00:04:56.380 crisis failing young men what is going on everybody welcome to another episode of pearl

00:05:07.820 daily. For those of you that don't know, that is our documentary trailer. So if you do want to

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00:05:39.460 so today i have a special guest joining us for an episode of the sit down so as you guys know

00:05:46.600 yesterday we were reacting to this video of this guy just cooking he was just cooking these two

00:05:55.080 feminists from canada and i just thought what better what better um use of my time could it be 1.00

00:06:03.240 to have him cook on an episode of The Sit Down.

00:06:07.400 So welcome to the show, Jeff St. James.

00:06:10.580 We are so happy to have you here.

00:06:13.100 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for welcoming me.

00:06:15.940 So could you tell my audience a little bit about yourself?

00:06:19.100 You're relatively new on the scene.

00:06:22.180 Yeah, I actually started this podcasting journey

00:06:25.140 about two and a half months ago.

00:06:26.940 And just being myself per usual,

00:06:28.960 I did not anticipate a quarter million people

00:06:31.640 in the last four days seeing my face and hearing my voice and having hundreds of thousands of

00:06:37.060 people either loving me or hating me at this point. So I'm here. I'm a licensed therapist

00:06:43.000 and trained certified trauma specialist. And I've been working over a decade in the field

00:06:49.200 and I'm repping Philadelphia. Cool. So what was it like going viral? And because I know some people

00:06:56.480 get kind of people can handle that amount of attention in different ways so how was it for you

00:07:03.240 yeah um honestly I laughed at all the comments uh good and bad uh apparently I'm Kevin Samuels 2.0

00:07:11.260 I am gay I hate women and um and I'm a red pill therapist is what I've been apparently now 1.00

00:07:19.760 identified as so uh apparently I'm all of these things um but honestly I don't take myself too 0.88

00:07:25.420 seriously. Even me getting into this space, I wasn't looking necessarily like get famous.

00:07:31.180 It was more so just bringing a slightly different perspective that I felt I wasn't really hearing

00:07:35.760 in a lot of these types of conversations. Yeah, well, you were really calm. I was actually

00:07:40.380 surprised how much they let you talk. They never, I got to learn whatever the heck you did. They

00:07:45.440 never let me talk that much. They always cut me off. You know what? I would say it's definitely

00:07:52.480 the pool of the people you admire and kind of invite on at times. They're the argumentative

00:07:58.640 types. These two ladies, they welcomed me. They asked me and they came up with the topics. They

00:08:03.400 came up with the questions and I just, I just came in and did it. Cool. So now that you're labeled

00:08:09.000 the red pill therapist, would you consider yourself red pill and how would you personally

00:08:15.080 define it? Sure. Yeah. I wasn't, I never thought I'd be identified in that way, but in terms of

00:08:22.380 all the ways in which people can kind of categorize me or categorize what I stand for in a lot of my

00:08:27.660 arguments. Sure. I think a lot of what I stand for is probably red pill. And the interesting thing

00:08:32.780 is, is there was a point in my life when I was definitely black pill and I've switched back over

00:08:36.860 to the red pill side and I hope to convert you and all of your black pill listeners to come back 1.00

00:08:42.060 over to the slightly less dark side. Well, okay. So you want to convert me today. Well, we'll get

00:08:50.340 to that later um so what is your opinion that on the current dating markets and intersexual

00:08:56.980 dynamics between men and women okay um in terms of what's going on presently and how we got here

00:09:04.740 um in my last interview i kind of mentioned that the pill and birth control um sexual liberation

00:09:10.300 women entering the workforce in mass and social media slash dating apps has really changed how 1.00

00:09:17.040 we as human beings kind of see each other and the general trajectory of where we're heading as a

00:09:21.920 civilization, especially in terms of Western cultures. More or less, the end result is now

00:09:27.480 that women have basically delayed motherhood and marriage, increased their chances of experiencing 0.92

00:09:34.840 a lot of trauma and pain from the frequent relationships that don't work through their

00:09:38.380 teens and 20s and possibly 30s, and also decreasing just the overall trust in each other,

00:09:44.620 men and women, as well as increasing the perspective of just wanting transactional

00:09:49.920 expectations on the other side. We've now developed very false beliefs in terms of

00:09:55.680 optionality of what's available. Whenever things don't just keep working out, we can give up,

00:10:00.600 we can leave relationships, we can get divorced. And then that's pretty much led us to where we

00:10:05.040 are, where we are declining as a civilization in terms of our birth rate. So I think that's

00:10:10.200 in essence what is going on at this point. And do you think it's because of the pill or like,

00:10:15.340 what do you think are the root causes behind it? Each one of these things that I listed gave

00:10:21.680 options to women that perhaps they didn't have or didn't have nearly as much as they did.

00:10:26.580 Sure. In the past, women could have gotten hangers and, you know, went in the back alley to kind of 1.00

00:10:31.260 get that situation addressed. But once it became more formalized in medical settings, it made

00:10:36.600 their ability to be able to delay a lot of things that were typically done earlier for women and

00:10:43.220 throughout human history, they said, oh, I can wait till I'm in my late 20s. I can wait till my

00:10:46.720 30s to do this now. And simultaneously, I can now have sex and choose my suitor. So that was one way 0.99

00:10:53.300 in which they kind of opened up the door for women specifically to start to approach dating 1.00

00:10:59.200 and marriage differently. Then when you had the sexual liberation movement, they were convinced

00:11:04.540 that trying to do life like men, especially sexually,

00:11:08.560 was going to have all of these significant benefits.

00:11:11.280 The consequence, unfortunately,

00:11:12.780 is not only was it a rise and increase in STDs,

00:11:15.640 a rise and increase in single mother households,

00:11:18.060 but also probably a significant degree

00:11:21.840 of dissatisfaction with women

00:11:24.080 when it comes to their ability to be able to pair bond,

00:11:27.540 their ability to remain satisfied,

00:11:29.080 and always the comparisons of what's next

00:11:32.180 or who's next or who could be better.

00:11:34.540 So, yeah, I think that, you know, many of these and then, of course, we can't forget the social media and dating apps.

00:11:40.420 It's just it's convinced the generation of women specifically in the West that there's always a better alternative. 0.97

00:11:48.100 There's always the best option.

00:11:50.200 And that with the influx of the likes, the influx of the comments, the influx of men in their DMs, they're convinced that because there's so many of these men that want me, that I have all these options.

00:12:02.220 and the reality is they wouldn't sleep with most of those men they wouldn't be in relationships

00:12:06.000 with most of those men but they've in essence kind of conflated uh all this attention i get

00:12:12.360 on the outside with the reality of how few men i actually want and can actually end up with

00:12:17.020 i think it almost reveals women don't like men as much as we originally thought

00:12:22.220 would you agree with that or do you disagree 0.96

00:12:24.860 this is a tough one because it's like the second the second you're like do you want to kill their

00:12:30.780 kids they're like yup they're like the second they're like do you want to leave your husbands

00:12:36.140 they're like yup the second they're like do you want to be moms do you guys want to wait

00:12:42.620 they're like let me wait as long as possible you know they say like revealed preferences

00:12:47.740 versus stated preferences so like people say they want things but if you look at like their

00:12:53.020 actions it's not like it's like the fat friend you keep taking to the gym

00:12:56.380 and they're like i want to lose weight and you're like all right come to the gym

00:13:02.860 girl first of all you know i got a job right so i'm gonna try to i'm gonna try to keep it

00:13:08.060 what i would say in response to that believe it or not is that um i do agree that with optionality

00:13:14.380 people's um natures have definitely been revealed much more clearly um but with that said um i don't

00:13:22.700 know if I was a woman and I had this many options and an ability to get so much attention so early

00:13:30.420 and so often that I wouldn't have potentially adopted much of that mindset too if I were in

00:13:36.000 their shoes for at least a season. The issue is actually not simply that it's revealed that women

00:13:43.620 have the capacity to be just as grimy as men in some respects. It also revealed that I think they

00:13:50.280 saw something that it revealed something in women that i don't think most men factored it was a

00:13:56.560 secret before women could just say yeah like like that oh that was the women today the past we 0.97

00:14:02.500 weren't like that and i'm like yeah grandma because there's no smartphones yeah yeah yeah i don't buy

00:14:08.260 that women and that's the thing this is the difference i think the only difference between 1.00

00:14:11.940 women today and women of the past is cameras uh social media yeah and uh the ability for us to

00:14:19.720 see it more readily available. I think women have always done what they wanted to do and 0.95

00:14:24.280 pick their best option that they thought they can get in terms of a spouse very quickly might move 0.97

00:14:29.500 on if a guy wasn't the right fit. I think female dating strategies by default is definitely 1.00

00:14:35.500 different than men's. And I don't think that that changed as much as it probably got exacerbated

00:14:41.080 with all these things that I mentioned. Yeah, I agree. The one thing I think you said that I

00:14:46.120 might have a different opinion on i don't think um i think you said women are like traumatized 0.97

00:14:51.960 from sleeping around i don't really i think it's just like a get out of jail free card they use

00:14:57.740 later i'm like you did not look traumatized when you were like hanging out with tyrone chad gavin

00:15:04.620 you seem fine yeah yeah but then you're gonna like cry later but i think it's just so they

00:15:10.040 could get a husband because like obviously they can't be like oh i really enjoyed that it was a

00:15:15.060 lot of fun so yeah as a trauma yeah I'm sorry to cut you off as a trauma therapist I actually know

00:15:22.040 what trauma is so it's very fascinating to see women and people specifically they overuse trauma

00:15:27.260 and everybody that was with in the past as a narcissist like I actually know what these terms

00:15:32.040 mean and know how to measure them so when I mean it what I actually mean is is that yeah they

00:15:36.940 actually increase their chances to experience trauma because you keep dealing with so many men

00:15:41.380 who you haven't probably vetted properly um so yeah but a lot of times when they're using those

00:15:46.540 words it's it's not actually applying to the case no they don't want to vet them properly

00:15:50.800 you know what i mean they just want six pack

00:15:53.980 okay so um tell me what you mean by qualified and unqualified men

00:16:02.900 so yeah in my last interview with the ladies at sharing my truth podcast um i had mentioned um

00:16:10.420 that there were men that were considered qualified and there were men that were considered unqualified

00:16:14.500 and that their experiences with women tends to be radically different the men that i would say

00:16:20.260 are qualified are typically men that have good to great income they meet a certain height requirement

00:16:28.020 typically six eight six feet or above um they're in fairly decent shape uh fairly charismatic

00:16:34.500 confident desire by multiple women and respected by multiple men those are the men that i would

00:16:40.020 say and most people would kind of identify as quote unquote qualified to have options with women

00:16:45.220 to be able to push off commitment to be able to sleep with multiple women at simultaneously at

00:16:50.580 the same time and never have to lead towards marriage these are the quote unquote men that

00:16:55.220 qualify to get access to women's sex um softness uh love um intimacy etc whereas the men that are

00:17:05.140 are quote-unquote unqualified they're usually missing multiple of those check boxes if not all

00:17:10.920 of them so yep go ahead where would you put men like because there's certain men in just certain

00:17:16.640 environments where they're broke but they get a lot of women like you know how it is the salsa 1.00

00:17:21.700 instructor like the the club promoter you know what i mean where would you put them as qualified

00:17:27.440 or unqualified if like they don't have the money but they still get women you know the bartender

00:17:33.720 in LA they got all the actors but yeah sorry go ahead yeah for men that are don't check off all

00:17:42.580 the boxes you typically have to be exceptional at least one or two okay so the men that are

00:17:47.600 unqualified are pretty much not doing anything in any of these areas significant if I kind of

00:17:52.580 stand out so for instance the guy that's really really tall and is like pretty charismatic and

00:17:59.320 has nothing else with the things I kind of listed uh he'll do well because he's exceptionally tall

00:18:05.460 and he knows he's a good talker right um so we see it whereas the guys who can't talk to women

00:18:10.360 the guys who are not that tall the guys that don't make any money the more about it gets to a point

00:18:15.520 where she either friend zones you or doesn't even acknowledge you yeah you ever meet a guy that gets

00:18:20.160 girls to pay his rent I've seen that oh I'm jealous of them guys man jealous can you talk

00:18:28.220 more about um attraction triggers and define what they are yeah so they're they're different um

00:18:34.860 obviously on an individual by individual level but the things that i just listed are typically

00:18:39.380 from the female perspective the female side uh typically some of the the key cues that they're 1.00

00:18:44.860 looking for so from an attraction trigger perspective women typically don't want to get 1.00

00:18:49.980 with the guy that they can't sense that other women also think is attractive so the problem 0.55

00:18:56.280 that we're kind of having in terms of like this whole topic and this discussion that's going on

00:19:01.000 when you think about it is like these women are only picking men that they believe other women

00:19:07.540 want and trying to ensure and guarantee that that guy is going to be monogamous and with them for 1.00

00:19:13.720 the rest of their lives so their their attraction triggers are putting them in a small pool dealing

00:19:20.100 with a small pool of men that they're often being disappointed with as a result whereas on the flip

00:19:25.360 side with men, many of their attraction triggers, a lot of women confuse that because they assume 1.00

00:19:30.100 that they would be the same. Oh, I make so much money. I make this much money. I have this degree.

00:19:34.200 I got a car. I got this. I got that. None of those things apply to men, especially men that have 0.56

00:19:39.220 those things. So men, many of our attraction triggers are softness, femininity, nurturing,

00:19:46.780 the desire to potentially start a family, a willingness to be able to listen and learn from

00:19:52.320 him and not feel like she has to constantly lead or dominate. Those are a lot of the things that

00:19:56.740 men are typically looking for and particularly attracted to. So for whatever reason, it seems

00:20:03.420 like men, a lot of men aren't checking off the boxes in terms of attraction triggers that women

00:20:08.460 are typically looking for. And unfortunately in the West, that's probably true to an extent because

00:20:14.780 a lot of the women, unfortunately in this country and in Canada and in UK and in Australia and other 1.00

00:20:20.480 western countries they don't desire the need to develop those things that men are attracted to

00:20:26.320 they just project what they want onto the man and expect him to expect the same from them

00:20:31.200 you know what's interesting um because i've interviewed a thousand women on my show

00:20:35.600 and the women that i met that i would say had the highest femininity there was always like a reason 1.00

00:20:42.560 there's always a butt like it was very necessary like they either highly struggled with weight or

00:20:47.760 had children so it it seemed like it was kind of made out of like necessity and i was in london so

00:20:53.840 i was interviewing women from all over the world but i would find if there was ever like really

00:20:59.280 really high femininity there would always be a catch is that what you've seen like is that what 0.91

00:21:05.200 you've seen or maybe you've seen other things it's it's a mix it's a mix so sometimes it's actually

00:21:12.160 because of religious upbringing and them being very sheltered and still sheltered um because

00:21:18.560 typically and you'll see it and you've probably talked about it on your show there's definitely

00:21:22.080 instances where they had a great father that was very caring and very protective and you know

00:21:27.440 before you knew it uh they ended up you know going to college and all of that went out the window

00:21:32.240 right so yeah sometimes life life humbles them sometimes it's because of their background and

00:21:38.240 what they're still remaining in um i definitely agree that it's rarer to find in western countries

00:21:44.480 for sure um but i've also experienced women who tend to stay to themselves and are not really in 1.00

00:21:51.600 the mix and you i don't want to say that they're female loners but they're they're they normally 1.00

00:21:57.840 won't catch the eye of most men unless they just happen to be in the same proximity yeah um

00:22:04.880 um of the men um that you said are like able to cheat in your experience what percent do

00:22:14.420 so not what you've read now what you've seen online like in your personal what you've seen

00:22:18.240 in real life if i had to put a genuine true number on it i would think 30 to 40 percent of men

00:22:27.000 probably have cheated um and this is going to be one of the first shocking things i'm going to say 0.54

00:22:32.380 on your show I think women cheat far more oh yeah far more they're better cheaters they're more 1.00

00:22:38.100 secretive about it they don't get the same punishments for doing that doing it like men will

00:22:43.560 so yeah and and even when they do cheat and they admit it to each other they don't view their

00:22:50.720 cheating the same way they view men's cheating so this is why they can still remain friends with

00:22:55.560 homegirls that they knew were doing all this stuff on the side whereas for a man to do it 1.00

00:23:01.120 they have to destroy his entire life and character and legacy as a result um so yeah and this is the

00:23:07.220 other thing when you're a guy that other women when you're young or older um that's pretty 1.00

00:23:12.820 attractive enough to kind of be around women enough you'll be the guy that they're cheating

00:23:17.140 with and you'll start to be like oh my gosh like this how common is this and you and you always

00:23:23.560 feel bad and you're like man i hope i'm never that guy and you learn like these guys will never know

00:23:29.200 A lot of these guys would never, ever, ever know. So I absolutely think that probably 30 to 40% of men cheat or have cheated. And I, I think that number is probably 50 to 60% of women. And I'm, and I'm honestly probably being conservative when I say that.

00:23:44.880 yeah and that doesn't include like messages and like like i'm assuming you're just limiting it

00:23:50.900 to physical cheating right yeah if you included women having like a work husband or something

00:23:55.840 else it would probably be even 80 or 90 percent i don't know about 80 90 percent but what i i have

00:24:04.340 observed yeah is that um there are other things that i've seen the double standard when the things

00:24:12.480 that they will go off on a man for in terms of cheating or looking for attention validation

00:24:17.220 outside the relationship they have no problem receiving it on their end if if they see that

00:24:22.740 their man their boyfriend their husband is liking another woman's picture they will freak out but

00:24:28.960 the idea of them making their profile private they're like why would i do that he's controlling

00:24:34.940 so they they just see these things like totally different like people liking their bikini pictures

00:24:40.760 that are not women they just was like that's just normal but him liking a woman who who who's half

00:24:48.200 naked or in a bikini is it's a problem so I don't think that they typically see their cheating and

00:24:54.680 they're seeking validation outside the relationship in quite the same way so that's why I actually

00:24:59.280 think the numbers are somewhat skewed to be a little bit higher and in your experience who's

00:25:04.520 more likely to forgive cheating men or women women but but i think women and men are in similar

00:25:15.000 territory with that i think it's only the men who aren't operating from a scarcity mindset

00:25:20.500 that have no problem with being like get out i'm good i will never see her talk to you again

00:25:25.900 only the men that know that they can easily replace her typically will do that most men if

00:25:31.380 They know, you know, it's going to be very difficult to replace her. 0.85

00:25:34.380 I have all this other stuff going on.

00:25:36.280 They'll just kind of endure and try to go to therapy and try to work it out.

00:25:40.460 Whereas a lot of women, despite the horrible stats in terms of how much they initiate breakups and divorces, oftentimes it's not after the first time. 1.00

00:25:50.540 It's usually after repeated offenses that they eventually get to that point where they get jaded.

00:25:55.060 They change their feelings and then they start planning their escape when the whole guy thinks that we've moved on from it.

00:26:01.380 I think that I want to see if you agree.

00:26:03.560 I think there's alpha and beta cheating.

00:26:06.320 There's women that get cheated on by guys with options and they'll usually stick it out. 1.00

00:26:12.820 But there's nothing worse than a woman getting cheated on by a guy who she thinks who she thinks can't.

00:26:19.260 Those are like the biggest crash outs I've seen.

00:26:22.020 And I want to know if you agree or disagree.

00:26:24.980 I never.

00:26:25.800 Listen, I never described it or conceptualized it in that way.

00:26:29.220 but now that i think about it it does make sense that there seems to why is it that so many of her

00:26:35.060 exes that are the cheaters and the abusers she'll go through all this stuff with these guys and then 1.00

00:26:40.980 it's the guy that's the good guy one infraction and he's gone she's done yeah so there yeah i

00:26:47.460 didn't describe it in that way i think i'm gonna steal that from it's like jeff bezos his wife

00:26:51.860 like because she like obviously you know when they they got together he was like the nerdy kid

00:26:57.060 you know and now he's cheating she's like no because she doesn't see who he is not like

00:27:03.620 she doesn't see who he is now like she sees she still sees the guy she like started with

00:27:09.580 i don't know yeah yeah uh is is the woman he's with now is that his current is that his first

00:27:15.980 wife or is this the second wife no this is the second he cheated on his first wife with her

00:27:20.080 okay so the second wife all i the only image i have of her forgive me for this but like

00:27:26.900 it was when they were on a red carpet and leonardo dicaprio was standing in front of

00:27:30.580 the two of them and seeing her face marveling at this man in front of her uh boyfriend slash

00:27:37.300 husband was like fascinating man i'm like he is a billionaire and she's still gawking at this other

00:27:41.940 dude i'm like oh ain't none of us safe man that woman has that woman has to be studied 0.91

00:27:47.860 like we did like it's just will smith jeff basil's uh uh steph curry it just doesn't seem to matter

00:27:57.420 how high a guy gets a woman will humble him by accident by accident sometimes it's amazing to 0.99

00:28:05.080 see no if you look at the last wife's dating history it's like had a kid with an nfl player 1.00

00:28:12.180 then broke up with him married a hundred million then broke up with him and married a billionaire

00:28:17.940 and i'm like she still has the ability to secure rings even though she has two different baby 0.68

00:28:24.800 daddies and she's like 55 she collected them rings like infinity stones yeah that's what i said i 0.84

00:28:31.420 said you know what there's some women that you don't know what the hell they got because they're 1.00

00:28:35.760 clearly she must gluck gluck or something i don't know listen she got that thing on it that's all i

00:28:41.300 know. She got that thing. I don't know. Okay. So the next topic we're going to talk about is

00:28:47.680 passport bros. What is your opinion on men that go overseas to date? Do you think that's a good

00:28:54.300 idea? Bad idea? What's your general take on it? I'm actually, believe it or not, fairly neutral

00:29:00.880 because first of all, these are grown men that can do whatever they want with their money and

00:29:04.320 their time and their energy. But with that said, I want men that are doing it to be very intentional

00:29:10.300 and cautious with the countries that they're doing that in because a lot of times when men

00:29:14.240 put themselves in these situations i know that men are going for all hosts of different reasons

00:29:18.120 some to find a feminine woman who they can build a life and family with some because they just want 1.00

00:29:23.460 to do sexual tourism some just for the sake of being able to have fun during trips i get the

00:29:28.420 whole nine right all these different reasons and rationales and justifications for doing it

00:29:32.960 Cool. My issue and concern is twofold. One, men have to recognize that what do you think the men that are in some of these countries, especially the countries where your dollar goes further, how do these men feel about you?

00:29:48.480 and you have to be cautious as more and more men that are coming from your area are doing the same

00:29:54.080 thing these men will start to get more tribal and and possessive about seeing all of these

00:30:00.660 foreigners coming into their territory it's like a it's almost like a sexual form of gentrification 1.00

00:30:06.020 like it's a thing where people start seeing you creeping in and you know you could actually start

00:30:11.500 putting yourself a little bit at risk so make sure that you're kind of being safe with the

00:30:15.520 areas and environments that you're doing and putting yourself in. And then number two,

00:30:20.600 although it's fine to do that, and it is what it is, I do wonder if there's men that haven't

00:30:28.620 figured out how to get some of the experiences that they're getting over there back here.

00:30:35.280 My issue is, I'm in the camp that I've learned that if you can talk to the most beautiful women

00:30:43.300 in one country, you can effectively do it everywhere. The difference is really just

00:30:48.160 the expectations of what is granted. So these women in other countries can actually be just 1.00

00:30:53.500 as forward and straight up front about what it is from a transactional standpoint they want from

00:30:58.180 you. The difference is they're just softer and more feminine when they do it. They still want 0.92

00:31:03.420 something from you. They're not just having sex with you guys for free. They're not like, oh, 0.99

00:31:06.680 he's American. Cool. Let me let you smash. It's really about like you're still paying in some 0.99

00:31:11.760 way shape or form i'm not going to use myron's quote of the whole was that all women are gold 1.00

00:31:16.880 diggers necessarily but they all 99 of them don't want you to come with nothing to the table when

00:31:23.840 you're approaching them so if you're going to do that abroad be safe about it be smart about it and

00:31:29.600 do you could you argue and i just had i'm just this is a thought i'm playing with when women 1.00

00:31:36.700 are the most valuable they almost gold dig the least because that's when women will sleep with 1.00

00:31:43.260 like anybody when they're young like the bartender it's like when we get older than we have like

00:31:48.180 money standards but like what 18 year old really um i don't see them gold digging as much or do

00:31:55.380 you see something different no no and this is kind of relates to like rollo and other podcasts

00:32:01.460 manosphere mountaintop perspective of like women don't typically truly understand what a decline 1.00

00:32:11.660 from the mountaintop where on the mountaintop they start at the top 18 years old men their age

00:32:18.080 men in their 20s men in their 30s and potentially men in their 40s are all of a sudden checking for

00:32:22.360 her she didn't have to do anything to earn it she's just now seen as valuable she could depending 1.00

00:32:27.840 on how beautiful she is she could get access to athletes doctors lawyers celebrity men oh yeah 1.00

00:32:33.220 really wealthy people and she didn't have to do anything to accomplish it and when you're born

00:32:37.940 into something like that and it's reinforced for your first 10 to 12 years worth of adulthood

00:32:43.900 I'm not shocked that many of them struggle with not seeing it takes them a while to realize like

00:32:50.880 it's not I'm not getting as much attention as I used to and as I'm getting older many of the men

00:32:56.140 that are younger than me, I don't want. And many of the men that are my age are starting not to

00:33:00.640 check for me. It takes them a while for it to really, really click and hit in. And usually

00:33:05.080 it's when men stop offering drinks as much, when they stop approaching them as much. And probably

00:33:10.500 I know the telltale sign when they are in a room and a younger, more fit, beautiful woman walks 1.00

00:33:18.040 in the room and she no longer exists to the other men in the room. That is usually when it starts 0.67

00:33:23.660 to hit them yeah i agree um so tell me the story of your dating apps in atlanta and chicago and how

00:33:35.340 many likes you got and what does that story tell us about modern society so um this story i have

00:33:44.620 i don't know why it's blowing up so much but um back in 2020 um i was on a couple dating apps i

00:33:50.220 I was on Bumble, which is how I ended up meeting my wife.

00:33:53.160 But at the time, I think we were only two weeks into knowing each other.

00:33:56.580 I still had a BOK, which is a black dating app, up on my phone as well.

00:34:02.320 And early, early 2020, I had to do a layover flight to Chicago.

00:34:07.600 And I had to fly to Atlanta, sat in the airport for two hours, and then, you know, ended up in Chicago and got off the plane.

00:34:16.560 And so this was only about two and a half hours of downtime.

00:34:20.220 And when I got in the car, I turned my phone on and I actually checked the app and the

00:34:23.760 app I forgot was on and it was going by my geolocation.

00:34:28.020 And when I opened up my phone and opened up that app after two hours in Atlanta and about

00:34:33.220 20 to 30 minutes in Chicago, I had about 72 to 74 women that had initiated and matched 0.98

00:34:40.160 up with me from those two cities within two hours, almost 75 women. 1.00

00:34:46.780 and that is a reflection of two things one the market is skewed for men that are that meet and

00:34:58.640 check off certain requirements if if a lot of women think that you're fairly educated if you 1.00

00:35:03.780 carry yourself a certain way if your profile if you know how to dress your profile up a certain

00:35:07.240 way and if they can glean what you say you do for a living and potentially how much you make

00:35:11.700 if you land in a city, God forbid, if you stay in the city, you have a massive advantage over 80

00:35:20.120 plus percent of the men that's already there. So just landing in the airports, not even walking

00:35:25.980 around, I had almost 80 women within a two and a half hour time span. Now, mind you, I'm not a

00:35:31.840 celebrity. I'm not a model. I'm not rich or even super rich. And if those are my numbers, can you

00:35:38.680 imagine the guys that actually live there the guys who are wealthy the guys who are athletes

00:35:44.500 it it's probably in the thousands and the reason why the reason why that story is so interesting

00:35:51.560 is because as women become more selective and believe that their optionality is unlimited of 1.00

00:35:58.860 all the options and choices i have they don't really realize that when you're not your best

00:36:04.900 version of yourself the guy who gets that type of attention doesn't have to tolerate it doesn't

00:36:11.900 have to commit and will very quickly replace you with no hesitation or trouble and they don't

00:36:19.420 realize that often until it's too late when they're at a space and point where they're going

00:36:23.760 to have much more difficulty having children uh not having access to the same men that they

00:36:28.220 may have had before and worse they may be in a position where for the first time they have to

00:36:35.740 reevaluate if i am going to get married if i am going to settle down it has to be with a man that

00:36:40.800 wasn't my first second or third choice and how did your matches compare because i think tinder's been

00:36:47.700 on the market for 10 years now so how did your matches compare from like today or then when you

00:36:54.700 said you were 30 to like when you were 20 or would that have been before were you on the apps before

00:37:00.160 that no no I actually I had come out of a previous relationship before that um so I I you know I had

00:37:07.360 gotten married around 25 gotten divorced around 29 and 30 I'm back out there in the streets and

00:37:13.460 you know um I hadn't been on dating apps before that so this was my first time really trying

00:37:19.020 dating apps and i'm 30 by this point and i was like whoa i didn't i didn't realize it was this

00:37:25.580 easy but what i and what i didn't realize is that my experience wasn't every man's experience i

00:37:32.160 learned that over time with observation that some guys got way crazier numbers than me and women by

00:37:38.020 by doing this where men didn't have to pay a dowry they don't have to meet your family they

00:37:44.020 don't have to go to your church or your religious synagogue of some kind they have to do almost the

00:37:48.920 bare minimum of nothing other than being funny sounding cool and looking good to get access to

00:37:54.360 your body and potentially get you to give them a kid um they created a market um probably unknowingly

00:38:01.420 where men that can do that are now men that look like me are now having body counts and men that

00:38:10.880 look way better to me are now having body counts that's rivaling kings during medieval time yeah

00:38:16.500 and you're expecting those men all of those men that you want to want to be not only with you

00:38:24.340 but only you for the rest of your life and theirs interesting and so what was that like for you

00:38:31.140 because i'm sure um getting out of a and i don't know i'm not going to put words in your mouth so

00:38:36.940 i'm not going to say this was your experience but i know it's common for men to be taken for granted

00:38:41.440 in their marriages and so i always wonder what it's like to like almost beg or like um you know

00:38:48.480 not maybe i don't want to say that but like be in a position where you're trying to work it out with

00:38:53.680 a woman that doesn't appreciate you to going to the streets and it's like all these women are 1.00

00:38:58.160 ready to go i don't know if that was your experience so you could correct me but i'm

00:39:03.120 curious what that would be like i honestly genuinely look at it through the lens of

00:39:08.640 and you know to protect her and and how that past went i look at it i look at the past so much in

00:39:14.400 terms of my fault my role and how things unfolded i look at it now through the lens of i ignored

00:39:20.880 red flags both in herself and me and i um i was kind of that guy in college and settled with

00:39:33.520 somebody who i thought i could be a good guy with and i could be the dutiful guy and the thing that

00:39:41.280 a lot of men is terrified about with marriage unfortunately happened to me you get into these

00:39:45.440 relationships and the version of woman that you thought you were getting they change and you know

00:39:51.680 before you know it i had the experience that a lot of men unfortunately ended up experiencing which is

00:39:57.360 the loneliest i ever felt in my life was when i was married

00:40:03.520 and was it like a weight off your shoulders when you got divorced like did you feel free yeah

00:40:11.700 um I will touch on that and and definitely my own content for sure but no it was it was the

00:40:17.600 opposite because when you go from trying to be a city boy and doing your thing and having fun

00:40:22.300 it's different women every week to all right now I'm married and and you know stuff hits the fan 0.98

00:40:27.980 you functionally feel like you were robbed of what you thought you were going to get

00:40:34.560 you thought you were going to get this and I'm like wait a minute so when I'm single this is

00:40:40.900 how women treat me this is how often I get sex this is how nice they are to me and how like I'm 1.00

00:40:46.700 getting all these great things that comes when I'm single and then when we get familiar with each

00:40:52.480 other and it's an everyday routine, things just shift and change. And like me and many friends

00:40:58.600 that I knew, for whatever reason, we didn't pay attention to certain social cues and patterns in

00:41:05.680 history to recognize that that was potentially something that could happen. So when I came out,

00:41:11.720 I was actually devastated. I don't think men or women, well, there may be some women that approach

00:41:16.600 marriage specifically with a plan in mind to leave and get certain things as a result of it,

00:41:20.960 but i don't think almost any man goes into it thinking like this is going to end in three or

00:41:26.000 four years so when i came out um it wasn't a sigh of relief it was it was brutal uh because for us

00:41:33.120 we don't view it as as as some milestone or doing divorce parties we we see it as a

00:41:39.280 as a failure on our part um so i looked at it as a season in my life when i didn't live up to

00:41:46.240 my potential. I probably put myself in that situation too soon. And in hindsight, it was

00:41:53.580 like, yeah, I was devastated. I contemplated a lot of things about what the hell am I going to do with

00:41:58.880 my life going for? I felt like life was over at that point. So it was brutal. But luckily, you

00:42:04.540 know, we were both still younger. We didn't have any children. We didn't have any major assets.

00:42:09.100 So it was a pretty clean, even split. But no, no, no, no, no. Do you think men can have that lesson 0.99

00:42:16.080 um without going through it no like yeah that's what i don't because if you try to explain that

00:42:22.540 to a young like i don't know if you've ever and i'm not saying this is your situation

00:42:26.440 but um just a common situation i've seen um it sounds like yours was different but

00:42:32.660 when guys like they like the guy who married let's say riley reed or a guy that wants to

00:42:38.320 or whatever it's like they can't learn unless they go through it would you agree with that or

00:42:43.400 disagree i do and i think that actually shockingly enough applies to both men and women more often

00:42:49.660 than not people tend to operate where they truly do believe that they need to know why they should

00:42:57.100 do or not do something they have to they have to get it um and it's it's just it i almost want to

00:43:04.660 say it's like a rite of passage where the difference that now what i will say is the

00:43:09.180 difference of how it typically impacts men and women men where it impacts them to the degree

00:43:16.220 where they can't recover from it usually take themselves out of this life yeah um men who go

00:43:22.560 through it and overcome end up being much better much more accomplished much more driven versions

00:43:30.700 of themselves women who typically go through really really bad situations especially if it 0.99

00:43:38.380 happens multiple times they become worse versions of themselves where they become so jaded so uh

00:43:46.060 you know pessimistic about men and and before you know it like they become this shell of themselves

00:43:51.720 where they're they're no longer happy they're they're always nagging they're always complaining

00:43:55.500 and then before you know it they they're like a miserable person to be around um whereas the men

00:44:01.600 who tend to be like that they don't want to be around people so that's kind of some of those

00:44:07.060 the key things I've kind of noted. Yeah. Yeah. Women crash out. You know what that means? A crash 1.00

00:44:12.280 out. Listen, I have crashed out. So I'm a crash out king. So I've been there. Listen, with me going

00:44:22.740 viral, I'm waiting for my crash out moments of people's screenshots to come back. So I know this

00:44:28.660 is coming. So I'm probably going to beat him to the punch and just, you know, when I do my first

00:44:33.040 intro video to my podcast to say hey everybody it's me i'm probably just gonna cover it all

00:44:37.300 get it out the way that's actually a good idea okay um so let's talk about paternity tests so

00:44:45.080 um you mentioned a stat that one in three paternity tests come back with the men not

00:44:50.800 being the father how did you research that and what has the impact of that been on society

00:44:56.060 and do you think it's always been this way

00:44:58.440 has it always been this way i just don't think we have enough data to go back that far to truly

00:45:06.720 truly know or determine that i will say that i have noticed in a lot of black families there's

00:45:15.220 always that one or two cousins that don't look like everybody else right and you always i don't

00:45:21.820 know you always you always kind of wonder that um but no so yeah stat after stat study after study

00:45:27.720 kind of saying the same thing. About 33, 34% of paternity tests are always coming back as not the

00:45:34.520 person who was tested or the supposed to be father who was tested. If that's the numbers because of

00:45:41.600 who's been tested, can you imagine what the numbers and percentages would be if all women 0.99

00:45:45.660 were tested and paternity tests were mandatory? I'd envision it maybe, so this is why I say what

00:45:51.260 I said about cheating being so high. If a third of women that are getting, the ones that's just 1.00

00:45:56.420 getting tested are showing that they're not the man that may potentially have been tested and

00:46:01.300 thought he was the father is not if a third one in every three women are showing this this results

00:46:08.660 and i'm saying they're they're they're cheating stats may be as much if not higher than men

00:46:14.440 especially depending on the age range um i wouldn't be shocked at 40 to 45 percent of of all

00:46:22.120 men that are probably not the father of the child that they're raising so you actually think because

00:46:28.280 i always hear feminists are more like left anti-man i guess leaning folks um they argue that 1.00

00:46:36.200 well it's actually i even hear conservatives argue this because they can't believe women are that 1.00

00:46:41.560 slutty um that like they think it's because the people that are getting tested are going to be 0.91

00:46:48.760 like a worse sample size because they're the ones getting tested like that's always the pushback i

00:46:53.760 get um do you think that's a valid pushback or like why do you think it's higher um because the

00:47:02.300 cheating rates are higher okay it is sometimes we we we try to act like we don't see what's really

00:47:08.980 there yeah if the if the cheating's higher yeah more than likely the the paternity test situation

00:47:15.860 is probably a little bit higher as well. Yeah, that's a good answer. I wish I came up with that.

00:47:21.400 I don't want to take that one. Sometimes I give guests arguments that I haven't been able to

00:47:27.080 answer. I'm like, maybe they can come up with something better. Okay. So tell me about the

00:47:32.880 mountaintop analogy. Yeah. Well, as I had mentioned before, 18 year old men and 18 year old women

00:47:41.420 start diametrically opposed with women typically being at the top and men typically being at the

00:47:46.880 bottom. The only time men that are that young will be at the top is typically they have to be

00:47:53.020 very exceptional at something. You were either born and you got the genetic lottery where you

00:47:58.480 were born into a wealthier rich family. You were a really high profile athlete that's about to go

00:48:04.520 pro. Things of that nature would kind of increase his chances to kind of make the major jump and

00:48:10.780 start off on the top. Everybody else, most guys are at varying degrees of very, very low. And the

00:48:17.040 reason is because the things that women are looking for in comparison to all the men that

00:48:22.840 are approaching them, you don't match up or you haven't done and accomplished most of those things

00:48:27.900 have become most of those things at 18 years old. You probably aren't making little to no

00:48:32.360 significant money. You potentially haven't built up your physique and actually grown into your man

00:48:37.040 body, you don't own a home, you may or may not have a car, you don't have much to show for what

00:48:42.480 women that are dating and being, you know, approached by all these men, especially ones

00:48:47.540 that are older than you would already have. So as time goes on, 18 to 25, she's hovering in that

00:48:56.040 top tier area. And only the women that are exceptionally beautiful will typically stay 0.99

00:49:01.900 very high up there post 30 everybody else women wise start to make the steep decline and whereas 1.00

00:49:11.320 men at 18 you're at the bottom by the time you get to about 30 if you have not put yourself 0.92

00:49:17.540 in any significantly stupid situations um having to pay uh alimony having to pay child support 0.89

00:49:24.860 having a record that prevents you from being able to get into a lot of uh fields to be able to make 0.98

00:49:29.660 really good decent money if you've built up your money if you built up your body if you've avoided

00:49:34.580 some of those financial pitfalls by the time you reach 30 you're now the guy that can date 30 year

00:49:40.580 olds 20 year olds and even the 19 uh the 18 and 19 year olds if you if that's your thing um so

00:49:47.600 over time we get to a point right around 30 where now i think for a lot of women because they're so 1.00

00:49:54.260 used to being up there they assume that the guy that's 30 that now checks off all those boxes

00:49:59.080 him and her are now equals. No, you're not. He's up here. He now sees you as middle tier or down

00:50:07.460 here. If he's up here, he's comparing you to all the women that look like you, all the women that

00:50:14.600 are your age at 30, and all the women that are a little bit older and a little bit younger, 0.98

00:50:19.580 but potentially have had less negative experiences and more positive attitudes towards men.

00:50:24.080 so for whatever reason um men don't know that their value tends to mature later on

00:50:30.860 and women lose sight of what they're being valued for until it's often too late i almost think it's 1.00

00:50:38.060 uh sooner these days than 30 because like by no i'm serious i'm like looking at gen z they're

00:50:44.240 like tatted up and fat i'm like this uh yeah i even i even have a i have a little sister

00:50:51.040 she had she was tatted up by like 22 i'm like why would you do that

00:50:55.940 and it's like um but it's so common in their age group like they all do it

00:51:01.760 yeah now the thing that the women who in terms of this mountaintop analogy because many of them 1.00

00:51:07.740 aren't truly aware of what men use as distinguishing tools be tools to kind of discern between the 0.58

00:51:14.760 woman i'm going to have fun with uh recreational sex with and the woman i'm probably going to take 0.99

00:51:19.240 seriously they don't know that overt sexuality is one of the worst things you can do to prevent 0.70

00:51:28.280 men from wanting to see you and wife material there is a reason why men are not lining up at

00:51:34.020 the strip clubs with with engagement rings saying i'm ready to find my wife in here 1.00

00:51:38.060 like we're we're going for entertainment we're going to have fun we're not going in there because

00:51:44.740 we're looking for our long-term lifelong partner but you're doing and acting and displaying all the

00:51:51.420 same things we're seeing in those settings and then you're shocked when that decreases the pool

00:51:57.160 of men that would be willing to see you differently so the women that are doing only fans they're not

00:52:04.080 factoring this part in that the men that typically are going to be okay with that are the men that

00:52:11.720 most other men don't respect and most other women don't want now you can get the simp that got the

00:52:17.700 money you say well i got the lifestyle i tricked him into marrying me and he still lets me do what 0.87

00:52:22.300 i want that's cool but we all know that you're with a loser we know it we get it and nobody would

00:52:30.000 trade places with you regardless of how much he got going on so when you when you do these type

00:52:35.960 of things that kind of harms you um before you know it men are not only not seeing you on a

00:52:41.820 pedestal they're not even seeing you at their level especially if he's done well over the

00:52:46.460 from 18 to 30 12 year run so a lot of times they don't realize i i've gone through it where

00:52:52.700 when i was younger i would try to shoot my shot and try to you know chase after certain women or 1.00

00:52:57.480 whatever and then when i got to that 30 ish 29 30 ish range i started seeing the woman that i was

00:53:03.880 so sprung for when i was younger i now don't see them the same way the the thing where i would

00:53:09.500 tolerate the bad attitude the the the inconsistency the the flightiness the ghosting and all of that

00:53:15.800 now that i'm older and making a little bit more money and having more options and traveling

00:53:20.960 you think i'm gonna tolerate that you think i'm even gonna respond back to you

00:53:24.760 and they don't know that when that switch happens that whole saying of if she didn't accept you in

00:53:31.680 her prime don't marry her in her decline that's a real thing that men who start to level up will 1.00

00:53:38.560 absolutely embrace without anybody having to teach or tell them that so for a lot of ladies it's 1.00

00:53:44.560 highly highly important for them to try to take advantage of like you said when you're your

00:53:49.600 youngest most fertile most desired self be smarter and get out the game as soon as you can

00:53:55.760 the strip club is almost better than church these days oh my pearl

00:54:01.780 listen all i'm gonna say listen all i'm gonna say is is king of diamonds in atlanta got the

00:54:12.000 best chicken wings and they got great brunch on sundays okay but but but i'm not gonna say

00:54:17.700 it's better than church i'm not gonna say it's better than church but i will the wings is good 0.94

00:54:22.820 them at least the strippers are up front they're like i'm a whore the the they just go to the 1.00

00:54:29.060 church after and put a dress on what's crazy you know what's crazy is when you are when you're 0.97

00:54:35.780 younger and you go to those type of environments if you spend enough time and you have enough

00:54:44.340 charisma when you get to know a lot of those women many of them aren't what people think they are 1.00

00:54:50.580 we assume it's only the women who are posting their cash apps when in strip clubs and are 1.00

00:54:58.260 only fans that are obviously doing this stuff the women who are doing it all were never on stage 1.00

00:55:05.620 they were never on stage it it was it was it was fascinating to see that a lot of the the strippers

00:55:12.600 and dancers and professional dancers many of them had the skill set of being able to almost

00:55:16.800 compartmentalize what they're doing and for some of them they're like i literally just dance and 0.64

00:55:22.720 that's it and i go home that's the end of it i make great money i'd be stupid not to make this

00:55:28.560 money and then their perspective is like when when this is over i'm done with this lifestyle

00:55:33.600 and that's it um now obviously that's not the case with all strippers but many of them they actually 1.00

00:55:40.080 aren't doing a lot of the stuff that maybe your home girls are doing that you may have no idea 1.00

00:55:44.320 why is so and so always going out on trips every two months and she and she and she works at a job

00:55:48.960 where she can't afford to do that and she's not a dancer she doesn't have only fans but she's 1.00

00:55:53.600 traveling all the time and you start to put two and two together many of the common normal girls 0.77

00:56:00.000 are doing way more than the women that's more overt about it i think that only fans women as 0.99

00:56:06.480 As someone who's spent time in like a Protestant church for a few years and also interviewed OnlyFans women.

00:56:15.360 I think OnlyFans women have a better shot at getting married than the awkward girls in church because they're hotter. 1.00

00:56:23.680 There's hotter, number one.

00:56:25.720 And two, the church girls just end up like basically married to the pastor. 0.98

00:56:30.500 okay so yeah they basically marry the pastor and then they just go out like their whole social life

00:56:39.080 becomes the church and then there's like two chads in church that the girls all wait for and 0.78

00:56:44.520 then they just reject everyone else and then like like i've met women that are 30 year old 0.99

00:56:49.920 i mean allegedly right i don't believe anybody but allegedly 30 year old women in church telling 1.00

00:56:56.040 me they rejected a guy because he's not holy because he tried to smash i'm like virginity

00:57:01.180 doesn't count after 25 they're just gonna assume you do something it doesn't it does not count

00:57:06.980 no i don't think it does because like it's only valuable if you're young like like because what

00:57:16.460 the guys aren't gonna wait you have to be pretty hot maybe if you're really really hot they'll

00:57:22.020 pretend to believe you but yeah yeah but i'm talking most of the church girls that i met

00:57:28.100 this is the archetype fives slightly chubby usually very awkward uh celibate for like

00:57:36.480 allegedly celibate for two three years cooked done the girls just coming up front and saying 0.99

00:57:42.800 i'm a whore use me they have a better shot they have a better shot my opinion i'm gonna tell you 0.98

00:57:49.540 us about this whole everybody supposedly was a virgin thing um i did not learn until college 0.99

00:57:57.620 about these women that were claiming to be virgins and putting it in other holes 0.94

00:58:04.100 and i'm like you do know that still counts as sex right no but i'm not i'm still a virgin i was like

00:58:11.060 ma'am like you don't see like the ability to compartmentalize how they can excuse their

00:58:18.420 behaviors it's fascinating to me um so yeah so i i've experienced that i've seen it i've heard

00:58:25.100 like i've literally been told by women especially when i was in college that that was a thing i 0.78

00:58:29.800 even knew women that were doing that and that was that was a thing and for whatever reason they

00:58:35.480 they and you're right that there's all there almost always will be a guy that will be willing

00:58:41.460 to still accept the lies and the delusion well and the other thing too is it's gonna we can't

00:58:47.360 really predict how normalized some of this stuff is going to be like we have to think back a hundred

00:58:52.720 years ago i mean a woman was expired at like 23 now no i'm serious so we have no idea like

00:58:59.620 i i think i when you said like men won't accept the only fans i think men will accept the only

00:59:05.900 fans unfortunately i don't wish it but i i've been to places with high level like guys that i

00:59:12.140 would say that women would want to be with and like most men would respect i don't and i i asked

00:59:20.200 them i'm like hey would you overlook an only fans when she was younger like she did it two years

00:59:25.220 no on-camera corn and i couldn't believe how many guys said yeah they would accept it yeah i could

00:59:31.540 get past that guys that say oh i won't do the tat like that was the one thing i learned interviewing

00:59:35.820 people is i thought guys when they said that like their standards they meant it yeah and then i would

00:59:41.900 look and i'm like i knew your girlfriend before she met you and she was not the things you're

00:59:46.480 saying you know what i mean so yeah i yeah i'm a little bit more black pilled i think like um

00:59:52.040 i think you're gonna see a lot of like um guys end up accepting only fans unfortunately but and

01:00:00.600 it's partially because women are so fat because they're like you know what if i have to deal with 1.00

01:00:05.380 they have to like weigh it they're like if i have to deal with a fat woman or a bipolar like it's 0.97

01:00:10.860 like okay the fat girl the bipolar hot girl or the girl that's nice but with an only fans

01:00:17.580 i think now obviously the choices are going to vary for each guy but i just think at some point

01:00:23.320 a guy's going to say good enough unfortunately so there are men so a lot of the men that you're

01:00:29.460 describing i would argue are simpson disguise okay these are individuals who may have been late

01:00:36.440 bloomers uh financially uh physically and because they weren't used to being able to pick a better

01:00:45.940 caliber of women when they finally start getting attention to it they just almost like gravitated 1.00

01:00:52.000 and formed an attachment of one of the ones that kind of was quick enough to get to him

01:00:56.420 she's pretty she's beautiful she's feminine she treats me well um five years ago 10 years ago i

01:01:02.980 wasn't getting this and she's hot i'll accept her pass that happens all the time um what i'm

01:01:08.760 suggesting is is that the guy what i the guy that every woman wants is the guy that won't actually 0.91

01:01:18.620 accept it the guy who has stand what i'm basically saying is a lot of the women that say they want a 0.98

01:01:27.600 certain type of caliber of man they wouldn't even know where to find him if you pointed him out

01:01:31.540 They don't know what lounges to go to. They don't know what events they don't know what conferences. So they assume that the gym or at work or or or just it's just going to find me or he's going to he's going to pull up in my DMs that the man that every woman wants. 0.88

01:01:49.860 he's typically not doing most of those things he's going to a private gym he's going to a social club

01:01:57.040 he's going to conferences he works 70 hours a week this individual is so hard to actually come

01:02:05.180 into the same spaces with and if you weren't raised by a mom or aunt or somebody to put you

01:02:09.780 on game you're just going to be going by trial and error through man after man after man so

01:02:16.060 unfortunately um yeah there are men that's going to accept it the women who see those men that

01:02:23.260 accept women that live that way or have acted that way or are still doing it they don't even 0.73

01:02:27.900 want those men but wouldn't your grandfathers call you guys all simpsons disguise like they're

01:02:34.780 like like imagine like a guy from the 1920s right and he said like you were accepting a

01:02:39.820 a non-virgin woman as a wife do you know what i mean like back then either like we got we got to 0.76

01:02:45.720 stop we got to stop well i mean whatever damage okay but whatever damage they did they're like

01:02:51.980 my grandma was married at like 16 i think 18 so i mean okay there might have been you know

01:02:59.520 pearl if grandma was getting if grandma was getting married at 16 she was putting out at 15

01:03:03.500 you hear me no i know at 16. everybody was no virgin 40 60 years right okay but you can still

01:03:11.720 say that with the eight they could say like you know the list is going to go on and on

01:03:16.300 like the women of the past were in better shape they married younger they knew how to do more 1.00

01:03:21.300 and what we've seen is every generation of guys just keeps accepting it like i don't well well

01:03:27.700 with that you you say that marriage rates are declining and men are also going overseas

01:03:33.040 then maybe this generation of men isn't as simpy as we're making them out to be

01:03:38.440 magtow men going their own way actually is something so if men are going their own way

01:03:44.100 there's a male loneliness epidemic and men are going abroad then a lot of men actually aren't

01:03:50.480 signing up to get married period let alone to the women in the states right but but i wish men were 0.99

01:03:56.680 going abroad but the stats don't really say that in mass like the women the women are the ones that 0.98

01:04:02.120 are mostly female travelers like women are like 80 percent of solo travel it's not really

01:04:07.520 like it's more women that do it than men and yeah that's yeah and like you know i'm with you i'm

01:04:14.380 just i don't i just foresee like marriage getting pushed to be like older and older and older in

01:04:20.420 the future i think it's going to be like 35 40 i think it's not going to be i think like um the

01:04:26.480 only fans is going to bleed even into like business settings where like yeah i think like

01:04:32.240 you're gonna fret like even in business settings there might be like a wife or two there where like

01:04:37.920 she did only fans when she was young do you know i want to predict i'm going to predict something

01:04:42.400 as well and tell me what you think about this i predict that it's going to be polygyny and

01:04:48.320 polygamy is actually going to be as normalized as only fans the next 15 years i agree two ways though

01:04:56.080 the reason why i say the whole all these men can't be simps is because there's too many women 0.99

01:05:00.720 complaining about where's the good men if if we're all projecting out then in 2030 a huge percentage

01:05:06.800 of women are going to be childless and single and a lot of men is a male loneliness epidemic

01:05:12.560 then a lot of people actually aren't getting married or staying married so my view is is that

01:05:17.520 actually all these women are not going to stay single for the rest of their lives they're actually 1.00

01:05:22.880 going to start sharing what you think i agree but they'll share share until they get married 0.97

01:05:29.360 like i think i think i'm talking about openly yeah like atlanta georgia two years ago a friend

01:05:37.720 a friend of ours uh she had a little house get together for a birthday and a girlfriend of hers

01:05:42.200 that was living and staying in atlanta had flown up and she was telling us that the dating market

01:05:46.680 was so lopsided because so many of the men down there were gay or bi that the ratio of men was

01:05:54.920 was anywhere between five to one to seven to one in terms of women to straight men so she was saying

01:06:00.920 there were men who were going out on dates with three women that's awesome like right now right

01:06:07.080 now in atlanta there's men going on dates with multiple women no so they're not going to wait

01:06:12.840 for marriage they're going to go many of them are going to go if if you get to 35 to 40 in this

01:06:19.800 culture where everything's on social media and everybody wants to show that they got the ring

01:06:23.960 and everybody wants to show a certain lifestyle you're either going to settle for a guy you really

01:06:29.880 didn't want you're going to stay single or you may potentially be girlfriend number two three or four 1.00

01:06:36.600 yeah so i agree with you but they do that in their 20s like dan bolzerian they all follow

01:06:42.440 all his ex-girlfriends and they're all married now but they were sharing dan bolzerian in their

01:06:48.440 20 oh yeah they're like they're on the jets i can't yeah and so women are but this idea that 1.00

01:06:54.200 women will be happy with the alpha god like i i do alpha beta i hate the terms i just can't think

01:06:59.880 of a better you know term but women aren't happy with anything so like you know for example i'll 0.97

01:07:08.120 take i'll tell you yeah no like this idea that like because the thing is when you date a guy

01:07:13.880 with options women take that in my opinion you could disagree if you want but the women can take 1.00

01:07:21.720 that for so long but sometimes most women crash out because the anxiety just gets to them a case 0.99

01:07:28.120 i think of is katy perry russell brand you know she yeah she had you know she had russell brand

01:07:34.280 she was super happy then she crashed out then she married orlando bloom did the beta thing for a 0.99

01:07:39.560 while crashed out again now she'll be back you know i mean we've seen rollo's charts just you

01:07:44.280 know women the most uncomfortable thing is women are kind of designed to be passed around it's just 1.00

01:07:49.720 yeah hold on wait uh i wouldn't their their biology i actually don't think that's true

01:07:58.840 i if if anybody biology is designed to be passed around it's men well okay yeah our bio our biology

01:08:06.920 is literally designed for us to not well then why aren't women with one why aren't women with 1.00

01:08:12.600 one man for life why did women have to like well you have to understand if i was married to someone 1.00

01:08:17.720 on the tribe and my guy got killed i had to get passed like i had to get passed to survive you

01:08:25.800 you know, victims of war. Every guy that's married, you're like every guy that's married,

01:08:30.640 your wife most likely belonged to someone else before you. It's like everybody. So 0.90

01:08:36.280 listen, I get the past around, like my view is at like when I, what I'm coming from is through

01:08:41.960 the lens that our biology is hardwired for men to be able to have meaningless and commitmentless

01:08:48.560 sex. I think women are trying to match our energy and it's ending up poor for them. I don't think 1.00

01:08:53.320 they're designed to do it i think that's why um for them you know uh so many other uh physiological

01:09:01.640 things are going on during sex and when they're climaxing and how they'll react and respond as

01:09:06.600 a result of it in comparison to us men we don't have to know your name we we don't have to we

01:09:13.240 don't have to know who you are ever see you again now there are women that move like that but the 1.00

01:09:17.720 majority of women do want to feel safe feel like they you know that that there's some type of form 0.98

01:09:22.680 of connection feel like he's fairly charismatic there's all these other hoops that women have to 0.98

01:09:27.080 think through to get to that point to do that especially if they're not doing like my view is

01:09:31.640 this women women that try women that can match men that have a very very high body count more often

01:09:41.000 than not there's usually something wrong they end up having they're either working in an industry 0.84

01:09:47.160 the sex industry they they're crashing out they're spiraling and for a woman to have sex with a 1.00

01:09:53.560 different man every week something is wrong well for a man to do hold on for a man to do that yeah

01:09:59.480 he rich or he looks good that's it well i'm not saying that maybe women have the same sexual 0.88

01:10:06.760 variety as say like men i'm not saying we're the same but if women were designed to be monogamous 0.99

01:10:12.840 why is it when we unleashed all the freedoms women fought for nothing more than to be whores 1.00

01:10:19.500 even when women get even when women even when women get the top guy they leave him anyway 0.98

01:10:25.180 you know it's like yeah i won't i won't use that word in terms of whores but i not i i'll give you 1.00

01:10:31.960 several points in response to that number one in order to have choice and be able to grow

01:10:38.900 we must be allowed to make mistakes so the problem is is that we i think for whatever reason

01:10:47.800 we assume that every you literally said it yourself earlier men and women typically have

01:10:54.460 to make mistakes um in order to kind of learn from them right the issue is that what if i was 0.72

01:11:00.120 to say that i actually don't think it's necessarily about women wanting to be whores as much as they

01:11:07.280 want the freedom to choose, but also the freedom from the consequences of that choice when they've

01:11:13.780 chosen poorly. That's very different than all women want to be whores. What I'm distinguishing 1.00

01:11:19.800 is, no, there's certain women that do that as a lifestyle, but in terms of just having sex with 1.00

01:11:26.820 rampant men, a huge percentage of these women that are racking up 10 guys, 20 guys, 30 guys,

01:11:32.580 even 40 guys they're racking it up because they want the freedom to be able to choose the guy

01:11:39.220 that they think that they can latch on to and connect with and build with potentially long term

01:11:43.500 but when it doesn't work out or he cheats I'll say it this way on the sharing my truth uh podcast I

01:11:52.280 basically said something along the lines of I noticed this pattern with women coming in and 1.00

01:11:56.740 out of relationship in and out of relationship in our relationships and most of them are always

01:11:59.980 the ones that's initiating the breakup and a lot of times it's about cheating and i'm saying wait

01:12:04.620 wait a minute and i'm talking to the one-on-one and i'll say things like wait let me get this

01:12:09.880 straight you don't want the man that most women don't want and ignore you don't want to date women 0.96

01:12:16.360 you don't want to stay by yourself you only want to date the men that all other women are also

01:12:22.800 attracted to and want and you keep leaving him every time he does the thing that attracted you

01:12:29.180 which is messing around with other women and i asked them this simple question if you had to 1.00

01:12:34.460 choose between one man and giving him 20 choices or 20 men and giving them one chance which would

01:12:43.740 you choose woman after woman after woman i don't tolerate cheating first or second time i'm done

01:12:52.220 and my argument is wait a minute that's how you're building up the body counts that's how people like

01:12:58.140 pearl and people in black pill are calling y'all and all this other stuff it's actually because

01:13:04.380 you want the freedom to choose and you want the freedom to leave but you don't want to deal with

01:13:09.260 the consequences that comes with constantly going from man to man to man you don't want to deal with

01:13:13.580 the labels you want to deal with the stigma you don't want to deal with the judgment so i wouldn't 0.93

01:13:18.380 say that by and large all women are in america are trying to be whores i think it is that they 0.99

01:13:24.700 want the freedom of not their father not their mother not the church not anybody else being able 0.91

01:13:30.380 to dictate who they have access to who they want to pursue who they want to date and who they want

01:13:34.620 to marry they want the freedom to choose that but they actually want the freedom from the consequences

01:13:39.340 once they've chosen poorly well what do you think well i think it goes back to revealed preferences

01:13:44.860 versus stated preferences okay so i can only watch what we're doing so you know you could say that

01:13:51.900 like women want to be in relationships but i don't think women do i think men want relationships more 0.98

01:13:57.100 than women to be honest um and the truth is right now we have hinge and any even an average girl on 0.88

01:14:04.220 hinge you can get like i know overweight women with like five six seven ten thousand matches 1.00

01:14:11.740 you can filter by age you can filter by height now i'm not saying like obviously there's going

01:14:17.820 to be a percentage of guys that smash and pass there's going to be a percentage of guys you

01:14:22.540 don't like but i mean out of like 10 000 come on there's somebody in there that'll date you and

01:14:28.300 it'll work out with if women wanted it they would do it and we're releasing all the restraints 0.96

01:14:34.060 and what i'm seeing is that women would rather be whores than wives and i see this based on um 0.88

01:14:40.860 um, I think 20% of women in Gen Z are on OnlyFans. So when women have the most choice between 18 to 0.97

01:14:48.700 25, and that's when I think when you have the most buying power, that's when you see what

01:14:52.720 people really want to do. You know, like it's like the billionaire, the millionaire, you know,

01:14:57.280 they get money and they start doing this crazy stuff. Well, they always wanted to do it. They

01:15:00.880 just couldn't, they didn't have the money. So that's why I just think, um, I, I've, I think

01:15:07.860 there's something in our biology that we're not as monogamous as we originally thought,

01:15:13.940 unfortunately. Listen, it's definitely possible. I don't know that the evolutionary psychology

01:15:19.300 really truly backs that up as much as are women in modern times using sex as a strategy up front 1.00

01:15:28.700 instead of later as an incentive to convince these men to try to get with them. I think that's also

01:15:35.260 happening too i think a lot of times there's women it's not even about like going through a million 0.75

01:15:39.480 men on hinge as much as when it is the guy that they want this is what i have to give what any

01:15:45.960 guy has expressed interest in me before so i need to kind of present this early and up front as soon

01:15:50.160 as possible and then he doesn't want it because he's like man she she smashed me on the first

01:15:54.800 night how often is she doing this she's on only fans too i'm out and now she's like all right let

01:15:58.800 me try to use sex again and and a lot of times it's like what it is is i'm not always i'm not 0.58

01:16:05.240 an eternal optimist again people call me a red pill therapist it's just that human psychology

01:16:11.020 is sometimes a little bit more complex that we try to reduce it to in terms of black and white stuff

01:16:15.460 and i know that a lot of women are using sexuality as the mating strategy to try to lock these men 1.00

01:16:23.520 down don't women use kids to try to lock men down yeah so why wouldn't they also many of them try 1.00

01:16:30.120 to also use sex. But what happens if the thing that they keep displaying up front and early is

01:16:35.760 the actual thing that's the deterrent once he has post-nut clarity? And they're not making that

01:16:41.480 connection. So when you go through a decade worth of doing this and now you're 30 and things still

01:16:48.000 haven't worked out and you're like, I know guys like sex. They want sex. I'm giving it up front 0.97

01:16:53.660 and it's still not working out. What am I doing wrong? They're not working with a therapist to

01:16:59.060 kind of point them through that loop so that's really you know now is that the case for all

01:17:03.620 women of course not but that's where it comes from where something in my field and uh and you 1.00

01:17:09.020 know discipline i have to look at all these different motivating factors for why we get

01:17:13.460 stuck in these type of loops right but it's always like convenient that they start like

01:17:18.800 they start looking for solutions when they have less choice do you know what i mean like it's

01:17:25.640 like if you really wanted to be in a relationship like you you would have done it you know no

01:17:33.020 there's a difference between being in a relationship and being in the the relationship you want

01:17:38.200 they're using sex to try to lure and get the men that they want to want them long term 1.00

01:17:47.000 they're using sex and the men that they want other women want and these men are like nope nope nope 0.68

01:17:54.560 nope nope uh actually y'all i'm not getting married at all like that also that's that's

01:17:59.120 happening a lot so you know i i get it um i i get that people you know feel like the women of today

01:18:08.160 are probably the worst ever and there might be some evidence to that but but my view is and you're

01:18:13.520 right they do tend to start to level out and start to wake up once they get that 30 35 well i just i

01:18:19.760 don't think women are as monogamous as people previously believed that's really my opinion i 0.63

01:18:24.720 think women are like i i don't really buy that like women are as monogamous as we thought 0.97

01:18:32.560 would you say it's not that they're necessarily as monogamous as they are possessive

01:18:39.360 um can you say the question in a different way i don't really understand what you're asking

01:18:43.680 what i'm asking is is it are we confusing women being monogamous with with being possessive of

01:18:53.920 men so what i'm basically saying is what is it about women breaking up relationships when he

01:18:58.960 steps outside of the monogamy so she's punishing him for not being monogamous that's often the

01:19:06.640 case with most relationships that's why a lot of women are leaving because he's stepping outside 1.00

01:19:11.200 out of the monogamous agreement you said earlier that i'm saying is that but what if but what if

01:19:16.040 it's more so that that actually they're not necessarily monogamous by nature they're

01:19:22.100 possessive by nature when he's mine he's mine and i don't have to share him so i'll agree with you

01:19:28.580 maybe women aren't necessarily maybe we're confusing monogamy with possessiveness once 1.00

01:19:32.900 they've locked the guy down they're maybe they're not as monogamous as we thought they're actually 0.99

01:19:37.360 possessive once they believe a man belongs to them. Women are definitely possessive, but 1.00

01:19:43.060 no, I still don't think women are as monogamous as we thought. 1.00

01:19:50.120 Yeah, maybe. And let's say I grant you that. I agree with you. And let's take out the word

01:19:56.180 monogamous and say possessive. Women are actually very possessive of the men that they want and are 1.00

01:20:03.820 with, but maybe they aren't as monogamous as we used to think. And I can say, you know what,

01:20:08.860 there's probably some significant data I haven't looked into that probably reflects you being

01:20:12.980 actually right about that. I mean, it's not data. I just look outside.

01:20:20.920 You said yourself, that's what I was going to say, that women cheat more than men. 0.95

01:20:24.520 So I just look at what's going on. No, no, no. It's definitely fair. Yeah. I think that they're

01:20:31.020 more possessive. So that makes sense. Okay. So why do you see men sticking it out in relationships

01:20:38.220 and women not in your field? Oh yeah. The number one central reason is the elevation or centralization 1.00

01:20:46.500 around happiness. Men will stay in undesirous marriages and relationships for a whole host

01:20:54.240 of reasons. It could be because of that's what he's used to for the sake of the kids,

01:20:58.900 for the sake of finances for the sake of his name and his brand and his legacy and a whole host of

01:21:03.780 things um even when he's not getting sex um you know whereas on the flip side person after person

01:21:11.700 after person that i talk to uh women are kind of being reinforced this thing that the most important 0.99

01:21:17.640 thing is your happiness and i've asked women flat out if you had to choose between your own happiness 1.00

01:21:24.600 or the happiness of your family.

01:21:29.160 Nine out of 10 times,

01:21:30.940 they're choosing their own happiness.

01:21:33.620 So that's what I think is,

01:21:35.280 believe it or not, the answer.

01:21:36.840 It's they have a higher elevated view

01:21:39.300 of the importance of happiness

01:21:40.780 than oftentimes their male counterparts.

01:21:43.120 Because if men prioritize happiness, 0.84

01:21:46.220 how about this?

01:21:47.940 If men reacted to women,

01:21:50.080 the way that women react to their channeling 0.98

01:21:52.800 and responding to their happiness

01:21:53.920 and to men cheating if men responded and had the same expectations with women in regards to sexual

01:22:00.160 fidelity in a relationship you've made this man commit to you and made sure that he's to be

01:22:05.360 sexually exclusive and monogamous with you and you've said the only if you're going to get sex 0.85

01:22:09.680 it's going to be through me as your wife or girlfriend and when you opt and choose for weeks 0.98

01:22:14.640 months years to not offer this man sex sex when he can supposed to only get it from you 0.86

01:22:21.040 you're being as unfaithful as he is when he cheats it's just that he'll oftentimes still

01:22:28.260 stay and endure it and you'll leave when he's unfaithful so men are not prioritizing their 0.91

01:22:35.680 happiness and that's why they're being left when they could be unhappy the whole time as well

01:22:41.860 and will choose an opt to stay versus their women female counterparts so i think it's

01:22:46.200 centralizing happiness honestly i'm pro more men divorcing oh i think it would be a better place

01:22:54.800 if more men put their happiness first uh what i i would agree with you if we put that up front

01:23:02.420 instead of after the marriages started and kids are involved i actually would prefer that if

01:23:08.820 you're going to move like women and prioritize your happiness over your kids happiness over 1.00

01:23:16.060 the stability of the home over all these other issues if you're going to start moving like that

01:23:21.180 if you're going to start thinking like that i would much rather you move and think like that

01:23:25.660 not being married because it's just it because again if you do that it doesn't matter if you

01:23:31.420 initiate it how does the family court see you well you know what i'm saying so that's the thing but

01:23:37.580 an unhappy woman will just destroy the kids anyway you could just and she'll destroy and she'll 1.00

01:23:42.620 destroy him if he initiates too so my perspective is as a man if you're going to move that way and

01:23:48.920 try to match her energy and if you think you're going to move in that approach first of all don't

01:23:52.760 get married and then number two um i would highly highly highly suggest that you figure out a way

01:23:59.280 to decrease um her propensity for being stuck on and so for instance guys will we do this to

01:24:09.980 ourselves i did this we start the process off wrong when we elevate these women above our purpose 1.00

01:24:18.220 so when you elevate women above your purpose and you put her on the pedestal she believes she and

01:24:24.060 her happiness is always central in the most high ideal what we need to work towards happy wife 1.00

01:24:29.180 happy life that that concept so when you've started off the dating in marriage component

01:24:36.540 with her and her happiness being the most important thing in this relationship you're now

01:24:44.280 just getting the consequences of something you set up from the beginning so if you if you sense

01:24:49.440 her as a woman it's only it has to be her way it's it's always what she wants it's always going to

01:24:55.980 the last thing you better do is give that woman kids or a ring so when you see a telsa when a 1.00

01:25:03.000 A grown woman starts referring to herself as a princess, run. 0.91

01:25:07.700 When a grown woman is idolizing all these famous celebrity women, run. 0.99

01:25:12.480 When a grown woman is saying and constantly comparing what she's doing in her relationship with you, 0.99

01:25:16.820 with what she's seeing with her friends and on social media, run.

01:25:20.580 Because she's elevating happiness as the highest ideal and not commitment, not longevity, not her oath.

01:25:29.260 It is her happiness.

01:25:30.280 the most i'm gonna say something and i know i'm gonna get killed for this and i'm just starting 0.74

01:25:35.300 with podcasting women are not loyal to you as a man women are loyal to their feelings

01:25:42.740 and if their feelings are positive about you she'll be positive towards you but if her feelings

01:25:49.080 are negative towards you she will not be loyal to you so if you look at it through that lens

01:25:54.740 the woman who has an elevated view of her feelings and emotions and her happiness

01:25:59.220 she'll never be loyal to you she never was she was loyal to her feelings about you does that

01:26:04.500 make sense oh it makes perfect sense whenever we say anything i just add like right now you know

01:26:12.020 i love you right now i think this right now so yeah no i totally agree with you um what do you

01:26:23.860 think about the married men are happier stat do you think that is true um conservatives always

01:26:30.020 cite that married men are happier i personally think that um their wives are sitting next to them

01:26:36.260 so they go oh no uh i i don't believe any of these stats when it comes to happiness uh scales okay and

01:26:47.780 part of the reason is because there's too many variables that are not being included these are

01:26:52.740 oftentimes simple yes or no questions that's a little bit more complicated than i think we want

01:26:56.900 to acknowledge and realize so for instance all these women that are claiming to be happy when 0.94

01:27:03.700 they are single i'm like well at the same time we i'm seeing all this data that's saying the highest

01:27:09.780 level of of diagnoses for anxiety and depression is in this population the highest level of

01:27:16.820 prescription antipsychotics and antidepressants is in this same population and they have the high

01:27:22.420 student loan debt they they're they're leading the lead in consumer spending they they have these

01:27:27.940 mortgages that they're trying to shoulder by themselves and yet they they're the happiest

01:27:33.300 people on the planet that that that's not adding up to me so that's why i like these stats the the

01:27:39.220 this this data about who's the happiest all that the if anything i think all of these things are

01:27:44.740 alive because it's convincing women you are your happiest when you're when you're by yourself 1.00

01:27:51.860 in perpetuity and men are their happiest when they put themselves in marriages especially in

01:27:58.260 the west and i'm like who's pushing who's pushing these articles who's pushing these studies that's

01:28:03.860 telling men to keep getting married and telling women you're your happiest when you're single

01:28:08.980 and i'm like i i don't i don't buy it i don't buy it and plus pulling women on happiness it's like 1.00

01:28:15.140 one day we're happy one day we're not you know it's like what day did you take the study

01:28:19.700 literal neuroticism is is more expressed in show so sorry for the fans body watching neuroticism

01:28:28.480 is the wide range of expression of emotions and feelings women seem to display more emotions 1.00

01:28:35.740 good and bad both extremes and the female population in comparison to men or males

01:28:41.140 so like you said day in and day out it depends on the day it depends on the day so i'm like no

01:28:48.440 no no no i don't buy don't buy women cope with not being happy with student 0.99

01:28:54.780 student loan debt consumer spending alcoholism so why do you think that is

01:29:00.400 um two of those you said consumer debt uh student loan debt and alcoholism yeah

01:29:10.640 um because these are three easy things that they have very easy control over um like

01:29:18.420 Like, for instance, it's extremely difficult to really put anything else in those areas that can't continue to sustain the lifestyle that they're trying to live.

01:29:28.580 So, for instance, when I'm alone, when I don't have much going on, I can always fall back on my degree.

01:29:36.200 I can always fall back on my job.

01:29:38.160 I could always fall back on the things that kind of help self-soothe me to make me feel like, because what it's doing is reinforcing my ability to be able to still live the lifestyle I want.

01:29:47.400 even if there's some drawbacks to it so for instance um you know if if you know in this

01:29:55.400 most most recent administration um as dei and other things have kind of happened you're seeing

01:30:02.820 a kind of change in tone with certain populations within the female population because a lot of them 0.98

01:30:08.940 started getting layoffs now that whole that whole i can cope with my job thing or i don't need a man

01:30:15.120 thing we're not hearing that as much as we was hearing in november so a lot of times it's because

01:30:21.560 you have it and you can do it and it can it can allow you to still live the lifestyle that you

01:30:25.980 want but if that job gets lost if that field gets standardized by ai all of a sudden you're looking

01:30:32.580 back at the the other half that you said you didn't need so because they have it that's why

01:30:38.100 they use it yeah i agree um so i think we're gonna go to the next part of the show will you

01:30:44.880 give me therapy on some of my black pill ideas i got you i got you okay all right so i'm gonna

01:30:53.300 read them to you um i'm gonna go through them all and then you can tell me which ones you want to

01:30:58.680 address cup disagree agree okay so um one idea i have is that marriage is not a good deal for men

01:31:05.720 and it's stupid for men to get married in 2025 um the reason i think this is just because it's

01:31:11.840 unfavorable deal if someone's paid to do something bad um i can't really be shocked when they do it 0.98

01:31:19.360 so unfavorable um i'd say it's not gonna get better so i had a lot of like more happiness

01:31:28.640 in my life when i stopped being upset about um the things are the the way things are going 0.95

01:31:34.320 but i think women are going to keep being whores um i expect um really 0.99

01:31:41.380 like if you have kids i really think you should expect that their peers um there may be a mom or 0.97

01:31:50.780 two with an only fans or an ex only fans and that's just going to be more normalized in society

01:31:56.080 like for example i have a younger sister she's going to school with someone and this girl has

01:32:01.400 only fans she just met her in her class i think i think yeah it's bleeding it's bleeding into the

01:32:06.200 middle class going to be in the upper class um women are going to keep killing their kids and 1.00

01:32:11.000 having abortions there's nothing you can do about it i used to be very pro-life um i still would say 0.98

01:32:16.600 i ideologically am but i give up you guys win kill your kids move on um abortion's never going to go 0.82

01:32:23.000 away move on um 10 90 um is the new norm women are going to keep banging and having kids with chad 1.00

01:32:30.680 tyrone gloctavius and gavin the starving musician um average men average men are going to keep

01:32:38.180 getting iced out of the sexual marketplace um it's going to get harder and harder for men to get laid 0.82

01:32:43.220 meaning those men will accept the only fans and the fat women later um as we've that trend we've

01:32:50.440 really just kept seeing um women's debt and spending is only going to increase especially 0.89

01:32:55.560 student loan debt somehow men will end up paying for it there's no such thing as a good woman just 1.00

01:33:01.760 the right circumstance so I think a lot of women um and I even like there's a point where I would 1.00

01:33:07.280 think to myself well you know um I've never been on a yacht I've never done the Dan Bolserian thing

01:33:13.860 I wouldn't do any of that stuff and then I thought about it like really in depth and I think it's

01:33:19.000 really easy for like men that have like never cheat or never had the option to cheat to say

01:33:24.100 they wouldn't cheat and I'm like I was never invited on any of these yachts and I was like

01:33:31.100 you know what I don't know what I would do because I never got that invite and so it made me think

01:33:38.760 even further that really a lot of women's behavior is just circumstantial because at the end of the 1.00

01:33:45.280 day if you were as a woman your husband died and you had to hop on the next guy in order to survive

01:33:52.040 you'd probably do it and we've seen that in all of history um and most men she's not yours it's 0.98

01:33:58.120 just your turn um whoever yeah whoever you married um someone had a turn not i didn't mean that

01:34:05.320 towards you but you know in general for mad sorry someone had a turn before you most likely someone

01:34:11.800 will have a turn after you whether that's in death or um her leaving so yeah and that's that's my

01:34:18.440 black pilled ideas are there any you disagree with you think i'm wrong okay i'm gonna have so

01:34:24.360 much work to do in this conversion process all right all right so for starters um let's agree

01:34:31.400 that marriage although you say marriage is a bad deal for all men i absolutely think it certainly 1.00

01:34:38.920 is probably not a good deal for most men but i'm going to argue from the lens that throughout human

01:34:46.040 history when did all men get entitled to marriage and women and children ever never never well never

01:34:55.240 never there was never a civilization where all men were always entitled to have a wife 0.98

01:35:01.960 and kids so the first thing is as a man most of you don't deserve a wife and don't deserve to even

01:35:12.600 be it's the idea literally what you said you're discussing something that isn't even meant for you

01:35:19.000 every civilization there were men that had to meet certain prerequisites before you were even in

01:35:23.960 discussion this meant all men all men talking about marriage and how unfavorable it is and

01:35:31.000 i would never do this never never do that's like me talking about i would never date beyonce

01:35:35.800 that's never on the table for you bro there's there's a in every civilization the one percenters 1.00

01:35:43.060 the one to five percenters today are the equivalent of dukes and monarchs and kings

01:35:48.520 in previous civilizations a very small substrata of men if marriage was ever on a table it was

01:35:56.040 actually meant for them number two um i view marriage today as the way in which many of us

01:36:04.700 that's really been too big into music like as you see i got stevie wonder behind me

01:36:08.460 i'm back in the day old school music just had something right you had the stevie wonders you

01:36:13.740 had the michael jackson's you had the princess the whitney houston's you just had an era of the 70s

01:36:18.940 and 80s and part of the 90s where it was like music was music and everybody knew and recognized

01:36:24.780 and said that's a hit and you and it was like it was something that came over you where music was

01:36:29.900 amazing. And then today, when we talk about music today, what's the big complaint? Everybody say

01:36:35.640 music sucks, right? And we still call it music, but we say it doesn't even compare. That is how 0.99

01:36:42.540 I would kind of view marriage in a modern sense, especially in westernized countries.

01:36:48.460 Marriage, we associate the modern adaptation and implementations of what the American government

01:36:55.280 and westernized governments have done with marriage marriage originally was just an agreement

01:37:00.680 between two individuals potentially their god their family and their community everything else

01:37:07.920 everything else was added family court signing paperwork at the courthouse all that other stuff

01:37:16.320 is a modern adaptation of what we're adding on to it my view is you know what granted divorce rates

01:37:24.140 are crazy uh uh family courts are insane there's a lot of really really bad incentives that women 1.00

01:37:33.160 who are on their way out can try to strive to get and extract from this man i get all of those

01:37:38.320 things if the biggest hurdle for you is the family court process the the child support and all this

01:37:44.960 other stuff you can come up with a life contract where it's just between you two and you can cover

01:37:51.480 every single domain of what your life would normally have been impacted if you two got married 0.57

01:37:56.120 and have it in a contract. But because it's a life contract, you can set it up to be renewed

01:38:01.080 every three to five years. So if she's on her good behavior and she's on her last year of her lease,

01:38:07.560 you get to renew that contract. We can make some new changes. But when you put it in the state's

01:38:13.940 hands, no wonder your view of marriage is what it is. And I agree. From a logical standpoint,

01:38:20.300 i agree with you i agree with all these men well adapt instead of being like i quit i won't deal

01:38:26.540 with women i won't do this i won't do that unless you want to be a genetic dead end this is a 1.00

01:38:31.500 potential alternative that perhaps you haven't thought of um what you think well i think that

01:38:38.540 modern marriage is just cosplay 0.98

01:38:40.540 i just i just spent some jewels just now that you said cosplay

01:38:49.300 no no i'll get to him i'll get to him okay okay because why is the brown and white

01:38:54.880 but um i don't really see the because the life contract you know i mean that's not gonna hold

01:39:04.700 up in court no a lot so when i say lifestyle contract um everything that we're contractually

01:39:11.140 agreeing to in terms of assets finances um um who's paying for health insurance these are things

01:39:17.720 you two as individuals can just do we can establish a contract with lawyers over anything

01:39:22.260 yeah i've just but the only the only thing the only caveat with that idea believe it or not

01:39:28.720 is you have to factor in common law in every state and you're probably still going to have

01:39:34.780 to have two residences where two to three times a week you do not stay in the same residence but

01:39:40.140 other than that you do everything else together yeah i mean you can develop strategies but then

01:39:44.720 the law will like you can't really predict the laws that will be implemented in the future

01:39:49.020 and women are getting more political power and women are the major voting block that politicians 1.00

01:39:55.600 are catering to so you can't really predict the future of the other thing is to just just so you

01:40:03.820 know i've interviewed men that have had just every type of strategy imaginable like that's how a lot

01:40:09.180 i don't know if you saw the intro but like the divorce documentary i had a guy literally go to

01:40:14.540 his like secretary of state or i don't know whatever it's called however you get a law

01:40:19.240 changed in the state yeah yeah and his kid got transitioned like his kid like and he did and

01:40:26.360 so yeah i just i would feel bad almost encouraging men to get married because you know there's a

01:40:34.520 percentage of them that aren't going to make it out alive there's just it's just going to happen

01:40:38.640 you know um listen yeah i'm as a person who's going through it all yeah and married now i'm

01:40:45.820 the first to say marriage isn't for everybody marriage i would even argue isn't for most people

01:40:49.920 men or women um but the secondary uh thing that i didn't bring up is a lot of women associate 1.00

01:40:57.720 if you mention the abortion rates being as crazy high as they are a lot of women will not give men 1.00

01:41:04.380 access to children without without marriage so men that are choosing to opt out of marriage and

01:41:11.420 still figure out a way to have children i feel like you're statistically setting your child up

01:41:17.180 for every major disadvantage um that doesn't mean that you're guaranteed with it being in a marriage

01:41:22.940 but you're just almost guaranteeing every statistical disadvantage when you have you

01:41:28.300 skipped the marriage step and say but we're still going to do the kid thing so there's definitely

01:41:32.780 pros and cons but you know i'll let you have it well i just think you're not that guy to her

01:41:37.500 like every girl has a guy she would have a kid for outside of marriage and if you're 0.96

01:41:43.640 yeah like believe me i know yeah so yeah so it's like you know um the other the other thing i

01:41:52.660 wanted to sorry um did you still want to go on with that or did you want to go to another black 0.75

01:41:56.060 no you can go to another one it's fine all right so all right out of a grade i'm probably gonna

01:42:01.340 give myself a d because i didn't really hit you all right i'm gonna go to some some some more

01:42:05.340 heavier stuff this whole entire interview that we've had together so far

01:42:09.980 black pill from a male lens it's like they almost can't find almost anything positive or redeemable

01:42:19.600 about women especially in the west right they they feel like we're cooked society is crumbling 0.98

01:42:25.640 we're just waiting for the species to die off and women are a huge part of the blame for it 1.00

01:42:30.180 fair one of the biggest gripes from myself and men that are pointing out about third and fourth

01:42:38.020 wave feminists and feminism is that the representatives of it the women that identify 1.00

01:42:43.680 with that can't see any good in men they say men are dogs men ain't worth nothing um if i

01:42:53.340 choose a bear but if i was in the woods i choose a bear over a man they will mentally jump through

01:43:00.140 hoops to always believe all women which means by default men are guilty always like they will 1.00

01:43:06.540 basically see only the worst in the entire male species and they'll take the worst examples of 0.91

01:43:13.900 what men are capable of doing or doing and project that onto all men what if black pale male thought 0.90

01:43:23.180 processes about women what if y'all are twins think think of how you feel what you think of how 0.99

01:43:32.300 extreme how these feminists and especially the extremist ones how they think and talk about men 1.00

01:43:38.160 they don't see no value they see no purpose they only look at us through the lens of what they can 0.93

01:43:43.060 use us for and they were only good for resources and that's it when men or people who have a black 0.97

01:43:48.600 pill mindset basically say women are only good for the holes that they have and nothing else 1.00

01:43:55.880 i think we've morphed to a point in this conversation where black pill is starting

01:44:02.200 to look and sound like the equivalent of third and fourth wave feminists with how they see men 1.00

01:44:09.160 what you think i agree it's the same i just think the feminists are wrong and the black pill is right 1.00

01:44:14.520 because i you know i think women just have a naturally evil nature 1.00

01:44:20.280 okay okay i think women like i think when women are good they got it from their dad 0.97

01:44:26.280 so oh okay yeah so like it comes from a man it's like if a woman's really good at something 0.92

01:44:33.100 a man taught her like but you put a group of women on an island together they'll just kill each other 1.00

01:44:38.740 well to be honest with you I think they would die off from from not being able to do a whole

01:44:44.680 host of things to survive but that's neither here nor there the the main point I was trying

01:44:49.100 to drive home is when we do this with men and we do this with women me coming into this space

01:44:55.380 I like to believe that a lot of the stereotypes that's typically associated with my community

01:45:00.260 black community I'm not currently displaying and I don't know if you feel that way

01:45:04.300 A lot of people feel like in my community, we don't read, we're overly emotional, we're irrational, we are ghetto, we're hood, we're uncouth, we have no class.

01:45:16.520 And I like to believe that somebody like me is displaying the total opposite.

01:45:23.080 And my view of my argument is there are people on both sides that don't display the worst aspects of said group.

01:45:30.440 and whether that's black people whether that's indians whether that's women whether that's men

01:45:35.420 yes even with this there's reasons for the stereotypes to exist in the first place and

01:45:41.440 there are people that are living it i don't know that it when we say all women are all men are all

01:45:49.600 black people are that we're actually truly hitting home to the reality of the situation

01:45:54.080 no i do not think gangbangers and and and gangsters um and are the the the true representation of 0.98

01:46:03.100 all black people so no i don't think all women are the worst the worst species ever i don't 0.94

01:46:10.320 think all men if it doesn't apply let it fly you know yeah yeah yeah yeah but it doesn't make it 0.99

01:46:16.160 like untrue you know i just you know like if a third of men were murdering people i'd be pretty

01:46:21.460 afraid of men but a third of women are killing their own children and we're like yeah they're 1.00

01:46:28.340 not so i'm like i don't know and you know what before i get back to the black pill i want to

01:46:34.180 i'm going to share with you the one thing that me you are in agreement on for sure when it comes to

01:46:37.860 black because i'm not red pill about this at all okay when it comes to abortion in my community

01:46:42.740 black community specifically we have the highest rates of abortion to live birth ratios nearly

01:46:50.260 one abortion for every two births one abortion for every two births oh yeah seven some stats

01:46:57.940 are saying it's over seven million uh abortions have occurred in the black community so when you

01:47:05.140 factor in the clan the ku klux klan and you factor in the cia the greatest most dangerous age the 1.00

01:47:14.900 most dangerous place for a black child in america is not in chicago it's not in philly it's not even 0.90

01:47:23.380 in compton it's in the womb of a black woman in modern day america and i'll agree with that 1.00

01:47:30.260 that is that's where i'm going to be like we we've moved so far from is it is it saving the

01:47:36.340 life of the mother to like we're treating this like we're going to get our nails done i'll be

01:47:39.780 back in a second oh yeah and like that that that i will 100 acknowledge that is and it's at its

01:47:46.500 worst in my community so i'm going to be like there is no danger more dangerous place to be

01:47:53.060 remember i said one in every two births one abortion for every two births so you're statistically 0.98

01:47:59.860 most likely in in terms of danger the most dangerous place is in the womb of a black woman 1.00

01:48:05.940 today yeah but i don't blame the cia or sanger any of that i just think women want to kill their kids 1.00

01:48:14.020 no like i think it's very simple like everyone tries to put it on some grand plan or whatever 0.67

01:48:20.660 but i've shown women abortion videos and been like hey it's pretty gross

01:48:24.580 this is wrong don't you think showed them the whole video they don't care

01:48:28.980 well you know what i do not care and and if it was up to them if it was up to them they 0.98

01:48:34.100 would kill the kids after birth oh they would if it was up to them i bet you women if they could 1.00

01:48:41.300 vote if a woman had a hundred percent voting power they could kill the kid a year after birth 1.00

01:48:46.340 and i looked this up because i was when i really gave up on the abortion thing i looked up the

01:48:51.540 infant mortality rate in the 1800s and look this is me speculating but i just think it's too

01:48:58.180 convenient that a third of kids died um before the age of five in the 1800s and then magically

01:49:04.980 when abortion's legal it's the same rate it is the same rate too big of a i've actually looked

01:49:10.500 it up yeah and then then i'm finding out like the nuns they just found like 200 babies killed in a 1.00

01:49:16.980 nunnery and i'm like if the nuns were doing it we're done so we are cooked we're done we're

01:49:23.140 moving this debate right now well that's not really a debate i mean i say i say enjoy the

01:49:29.620 decline but like my baseline when i meet women is i'm kind of scared of them like i don't know what 0.66

01:49:34.820 they're because as soon as i talk about this stuff remember they treat me like they treat a lot of you

01:49:39.300 guys and there's nothing like a scored woman so my baseline is you guys are you guys and even you 0.85

01:49:45.540 know i'm not saying i'm perfect either like sometimes i'm like i'm like damn you know i

01:49:52.100 I got to talk to my dad more, my boyfriend more, you know, 0.97

01:49:54.940 cause they I'll have an idea and they'll just tell me it's stupid, you know? 0.98

01:50:00.420 So I had three arguments, right? 0.99

01:50:03.660 And even up 75% of violence towards children perpetrated by women,

01:50:10.260 like even the elderly, they can't even take it easy. 1.00

01:50:14.420 We can't even take it easy on the elderly. So I, you know what?

01:50:18.220 came to this conclusion because i really spent a lot of time trying to find one thing we are good

01:50:23.580 at or like one stat or one observation about society that just made us look good and i couldn't

01:50:30.540 i couldn't find anything even like raising the kids the men do that better too i'm like we can't

01:50:38.060 even say i find no evidence that women are nurturing at all i think men are the nurturing

01:50:43.340 gender and the men yeah i think women like like i think men are tricked like the women trick them 0.88

01:50:51.340 and say that women are natural mothers and all this stuff and i'm like well if you were natural 0.71

01:50:56.220 mothers then why do we keep killing the kids you know doesn't make sense but go ahead oh my gosh

01:51:03.500 i'll have to go back to my wife and our one-year-old like after this this is gonna be crazy 0.95

01:51:07.820 like this is gonna be crazy um yeah be like watch out like yeah yeah like i go upstairs and the

01:51:13.900 house is empty it's gonna be horrible um so all right i'm gonna give myself a d for that because

01:51:19.720 you clearly killed me with that so i got one that i know i know this is the black pill this is the

01:51:26.260 ultimate critique of the black pill the greatest argument against black pill believe it or not is

01:51:33.080 you and me you what country were you born in usa usa america yeah you were born in america

01:51:42.720 you own a business and a brand you're primarily surrounded by uh not only men for your work

01:51:49.040 but surrounded by the worst types of caliber of women when they come on your show 1.00

01:51:53.040 and yet in my first time meeting you

01:51:56.900 everything that you said about women you were the polar polar opposite and my view is is that if

01:52:06.240 you were born in a culture working because we're told that oh the reason why i'm so masculine and

01:52:11.600 so this and so that and so negative and why is because and why i'm so disagreeable and so this

01:52:16.680 or that it's because i work so much your ability to be able to still respect people your ability

01:52:23.080 to love the people around you you're probably great in your relationship you're probably really

01:52:27.960 well with your genuine friends i don't get i don't get any of the you're in this space this is what

01:52:34.600 you do for a living and a whole lot of negative animosity comes your way and if everything you

01:52:40.680 said was as potent as it was it's almost like seeing you as an example the way in which it

01:52:49.400 comes off it almost comes off like you're an anomaly and god must have took a day off when

01:52:53.860 you was born no i don't think i'm special at all no i think there's a lot more pearls

01:52:59.940 than they're not actually i actually believe that and in fact i interact with them and most of them

01:53:05.320 are black so there's a hell of a lot of pearls that i know that are just genuinely dope good

01:53:10.200 hearted people who you know can keep it real and may have their moments here and there because 0.82

01:53:15.560 a human but for the most part they're not like assholes yeah and i yeah i think like that's that's

01:53:21.080 a lot of people yeah but i gotta look at choices right and you know my life choices are pretty

01:53:27.580 similar to most women so yeah i don't think i'm special or different so how is it if your life's

01:53:34.180 choices are similar but your attitude and your mindset is totally different what i'm basically

01:53:39.120 suggesting is a whole lot of women are also like you well they're probably surrounded by men 0.98

01:53:43.860 and like good men but like that's what it goes back to i think the nature of women is evil and 1.00

01:53:49.420 if we have good if we yeah like if we're left to our own like you know you put women together we 0.91

01:53:56.200 become like yeah the only way you can have good women is like they learn from good men but that's 0.99

01:54:04.440 it that's it i mean that's fair yeah second piece a second piece bro i said not only are you a great

01:54:11.520 argument that there's women like that that do exist and we can find them even in the states 0.99

01:54:16.080 and they have jobs um the reason why i said i'm also a really great argument about it

01:54:23.360 the if we took black pill ideology and mindset to its furthest conclusion ultra pessimistic

01:54:30.480 super negative it's beyond just being objective there is no hope i lived that i experienced the

01:54:39.360 final form of black pill which is what's the purpose for why i'm still here what's the purpose

01:54:46.240 and when my last relationship ended and i'm literally looking up at the sky and trying to

01:54:52.160 decide like i'm screaming to this being that i don't see and saying what the hell is this and 0.52

01:55:01.280 trying to decide if i'm gonna look down and end it and i literally i'm there is no light pearl

01:55:09.360 there was no light. It was all dark. I saw no future. How can we get any worse than this?

01:55:14.960 And what I'm saying is, in my lowest, darkest point, I literally just decided I'm going to stay

01:55:22.040 and I'm going to work on trying to make progress even when there's no light to walk towards until

01:55:28.940 I do. And when you take Black Pill to its final form and you get to that end point where you have

01:55:38.240 to decide if you even want to still be here and you decide to stay and then you decide to put some

01:55:44.600 work in and eat and you're walking towards a light that you don't see eventually the light shows

01:55:51.660 itself and eventually you learn from your mistakes and you start to become a much better holistic

01:55:57.120 person and what i'm saying is there's examples of you as a woman in modern culture who's running a 0.99

01:56:03.560 a major big platform like this with employees, et cetera. And somebody like me who lived out

01:56:10.580 Black Pill to its furthest extent and was there. Everybody bitching and complaining and talking

01:56:15.260 about women ain't this, men ain't that. Y'all not really as pessimistic as you think you are.

01:56:20.420 There is another level to this. When you get to the point where you don't want to live or exist

01:56:25.440 anymore, that is Black Pill. You don't see value not in just women or men. You don't see value in 1.00

01:56:31.100 life that was me well so for me so i'm saying this for me to come from that to marrying my wife

01:56:43.500 having my child last year buying her home she could leave tomorrow the differences is this go

01:56:50.460 around i have radical acceptance i have radical acceptance about what i have control over and what

01:56:56.220 i don't and i have and i learned about all the things that i have control over how i can push

01:57:01.260 it to its furthest extreme working out building up my network building up my finances uh choosing

01:57:08.460 better in terms of how i'm interacting with people a lot of men aren't doing that work

01:57:14.140 and i'm like if you did that it's impossible for you to stay black pill it's impossible but what

01:57:19.340 you're describing well you're describing those depression black pill just means i think the

01:57:24.940 world's going south like i i think this is the way the world's going yes but what i'm basically saying

01:57:30.060 is in this final form yeah yeah but i'd say like that's a personal choice what you have to do with

01:57:34.540 the information you know like if you get depressed about the information you know that's that's like

01:57:40.220 a personal choice i'm not depressed about the information right i just i take it for what it is

01:57:47.500 you know women have an evil nature any woman can destroy me or you at any time 1.00

01:57:51.860 we'll probably statistically me and you will both be single parents at like 45 um

01:57:57.460 but the difference i hope you and i hope not i hope i would really rather not do that but

01:58:06.620 you know i can't control the universe you can't control the universe yeah so the difference is

01:58:13.840 you have radical acceptance i have radical acceptance and like you said we both just have

01:58:18.860 to choose how we're going to approach the things that we know we can't control that potentially

01:58:24.480 could or could not happen for me i'm at a space where this is even why i'm sitting in front of

01:58:31.040 you like i was starting to feel that way even when i wasn't depressed i was starting to go into that

01:58:38.020 space in that zone and and that's why i'm kind of saying where it's like i know what this mindset

01:58:42.580 that leads to for men who can't get a girlfriend for men who are seen as genetic dead ends and

01:58:50.280 that end that i had or soon to be in that's why do you think we lead the race that we do in terms

01:58:55.380 of taking ourselves up out of here so the reality is like a lot of the things that you're pointing

01:58:59.980 out and we're all believing that is functionally true um the the lack of radical acceptance and

01:59:06.340 the unwillingness to try to do what we can for what we have control over is why i think some

01:59:11.700 people get stuck you're not stuck you're still working you're still moving you're still dating

01:59:17.180 you're still living life a lot of these men that are all receiving this information are not

01:59:21.860 and that's my challenge well i'm challenging men to be more like you well if if a guy is a genetic

01:59:30.400 dead end isn't it like isn't it better he just accepts it like if that's his fate no because

01:59:38.360 the meaning like the meaning of black pill is just accepting the futility of fighting against

01:59:44.140 the feminist system it's like learning the rules of the game so you can play it better so for 1.00

01:59:48.900 example accepting abortion yeah no that's a real tool mindset right no um i mean red pill is like

01:59:57.220 the forums so so red pill is like um it's it's the study of human behavior so it's all the guys

02:00:06.340 that were in the forums for like 20 30 years and like the notes that they took

02:00:10.580 but yeah like i don't think it's got to be hopeless it's just like yeah women are going to 1.00

02:00:16.780 kill kids unfortunately only fans is going to keep going it's all going to get worse and let's just

02:00:24.260 you know but like it's not i i don't want to sell hope like and say you probably are going to stay 0.96

02:00:30.540 married like i if i had to guess most people will get divorced or you know yeah yeah even as a

02:00:37.460 therapist i don't i don't personally sell that either i especially when talking with men i

02:00:41.920 actually want them to have a similar mindset to what you're saying statistically the odds are

02:00:45.860 against you these are the pros and cons you need to go into go into this with your eyes wide open

02:00:50.860 but there are options of how you can approach life that potentially you're choosing not to that can

02:00:56.480 lead you to feeling hopeless and feeling like all is lost like no what you said as an alternative is

02:01:01.780 i think they should be passport bros i'm like oh there's hope oh there are women well no no 1.00

02:01:09.340 i just think it'd be cool for a guy to get a couple years of a good woman before she ruins 1.00

02:01:15.080 his life you know but at least you'd get that like a few years while she's waiting for her visa you

02:01:21.880 know but and the other on the bright side you know guys if you're a single dad someday women 0.87

02:01:26.920 love single dads so you can just still date 22 year olds forever so well i'll tell you this

02:01:32.980 pearl after this interview once it goes live my wife leaves me i'm gonna hit you up and then you 0.99

02:01:38.660 gonna bring me back on my baby nah but but i'll talk so a i i uh those are my black black pill

02:01:47.600 talking points i wanted to thank you um because you know i'm a therapist and most therapists stay

02:01:53.380 out of these type of spaces and it's because we a lot of them only have the talking points of

02:01:59.360 feminists and they wouldn't be able to give you any type of adequate pushback um or even be able 1.00

02:02:04.740 to enter these type of spaces with the the feedback and the comments and people blowing up their

02:02:10.040 personal lives i'm i'm at a place of peace in life where i'm like you know what man uh people

02:02:15.500 have been telling me this for years at this time to get in this space that they think that a lot

02:02:19.340 of things that I know is just interesting and different ways to view it. And I genuinely,

02:02:24.400 genuinely appreciate you and your staff for, you know, giving me this crazy opportunity.

02:02:29.720 Yeah, you're going to do great. I'm excited. Are you going to do like a therapy call-in show?

02:02:35.020 I think that'd be awesome. Eventually, that's the goal. That's the goal to have to get people

02:02:39.380 and do side-by-side where they're talking to me or do a panel of different people and see their

02:02:44.920 thoughts and give some pushback um but yeah i'm excited yeah that'd be great um to end the show

02:02:52.080 though we're gonna i want to read you the modern woman life cycle and i want you to say if you

02:02:58.200 think this is true or untrue uh for each pointer at the end at the end so i'll read it and then you

02:03:04.300 can just say if you think this is the the true life cycle so number one is modern women go to 1.00

02:03:10.400 a high priced institution to get a degree that nobody cares about to put themselves in a whole

02:03:14.920 bunch of debt that will be a burden for the rest of their lives all they learn in school is how to 0.63

02:03:19.460 be disagreeable how to use men and how to be a whore number two modern women will get a job 1.00

02:03:25.200 that's too stressful and that does not care about them in reality the job is not that hard or 0.98

02:03:30.400 stressful but the women will convince themselves all of society that it is that's kind of why you 1.00

02:03:36.080 see all the teachers striking and not the coal miners it's like you know modern women feel 1.00

02:03:41.180 entitled to a certain lifestyle when they begin their careers and will buy houses and cars they

02:03:45.340 can't afford spend all their money on travel while ignoring student debt uh modern women will wake up 1.00

02:03:50.980 between the ages of 33 to 37 rush to have a kid uh find a husband or both modern women will hit 1.00

02:03:57.060 their late 30s and early 40s and try to get pregnant by some loser or go through ivf you 1.00

02:04:02.140 You know, that's when like the you get like the 38 year old pregnant by like Pookie, Ray, Ray, Nug, Nug or Gavin, the starving musician.

02:04:11.520 Modern women will start at antidepressants and become alcoholics because their beauty is fading faster than they like and they don't know what to do. 1.00

02:04:19.900 And then last but not least, buy a dog or a cat and die alone.

02:04:24.200 i really really hope i still have a job after what i'm about to say

02:04:32.680 the only i disagree with the dog i think it's mostly cats

02:04:38.880 no i'm gonna say this i do think most of what you're saying is much more descript much more

02:04:49.260 descriptive of millennials and gen z than the other older demographics because number one the

02:04:56.380 older demographics didn't have the student loan debt the older demographics um didn't purchase

02:05:01.220 homes as women on their own the older demographics uh statistically did get married earlier now they 1.00

02:05:07.140 may have gotten divorced but a lot of the things that women that you're describing now in terms of 1.00

02:05:11.600 life's journey this has really been a phenomenon that's really started to pick up in the late 90s

02:05:16.800 and early 2000s. So that's the main, main distinction I would make is that it is true

02:05:22.800 that there are a lot of women who get themselves into a lot of debt, don't think about the career 0.99

02:05:27.900 that they're picking and whether or not it's going to actually pay for both the debt and the lifestyle

02:05:33.360 and the home that they want. And they also want the man that comes in to be able to offload that

02:05:39.500 onto him. And they don't typically, when talking to them, want to work at the same establishment

02:05:45.140 for 40, 50 years. So there is a lot of truth to what you're saying, but I do say that I would

02:05:51.780 draw the line between women who didn't do that either because they didn't have the opportunity 0.99

02:05:55.740 to, or we just wasn't available versus the women where by default, everybody else is going to 1.00

02:06:01.100 school. Everybody else is doing this. Everybody else is traveling each year. So I got to do the

02:06:05.560 same. That really is a phenomenon that's kind of really, really shown itself with social media

02:06:11.460 and with the explosion of the student loan costs so that's my feedback you said i thought gen x

02:06:18.080 women met their husband their um husbands in college did they not yeah but they didn't have 1.00

02:06:23.740 the student loan debt a lot of them went to school for free okay i mean yeah and then and because

02:06:29.520 they met their husbands earlier and sooner they didn't they weren't buying homes the way that 0.87

02:06:33.420 women are buying homes and outpacing men today so that's why i'm saying yeah just from a historical 0.89

02:06:38.460 data standpoint we got to draw that line between well women that are 20 years older than us and 1.00

02:06:43.580 everybody's in our age well because there is that lady that was going on the college campuses who 1.00

02:06:48.140 went to school in the 70s and said she was a whore at college you know you know i'm talking about 1.00

02:06:54.220 nah but yeah she just goes around telling girls not to be whores with the mic it's so funny she's 1.00

02:06:59.580 like i was a whore it's so funny but but but but the um what i was gonna say though in a way they 0.99

02:07:09.500 kind of just hop off because they they went to college and maybe didn't get the debt but then 0.81

02:07:14.400 they got the house in divorce so they just like they just entered it later listen they they didn't

02:07:22.420 get into unnecessary debt they they they you know they they they were lucky enough to not have the

02:07:28.900 additional options that modern women did so they avoided some of the pitfalls other women are 0.99

02:07:33.600 currently making now okay okay yeah but i'm glad to see we mostly that it's pretty i'll make a note

02:07:40.560 um i um bear from the internet after like a week of people knowing i exist hey yeah

02:07:49.160 oh um doug mpa is putting one more note he wants me to put in red pill is learning the nature of

02:07:56.540 women black pill is accepting the evil nature of women and moving on with your life let's see you 1.00

02:08:02.100 know what he mpa got he got a point man you got maybe you're converting me in some ways i'm not 0.99

02:08:12.180 gonna say women i'm not gonna say all women are whores i'm just letting your audience know i'm 0.98

02:08:16.360 not saying women are how many how many bodies tell the whore i mean like come on like most guys 0.99

02:08:22.200 well most guys say what let's just say let me do the math on you guys's wives 1.00

02:08:29.000 strippers you got to remember the strippers and the professional dancers are to be honored

02:08:34.200 because they are providing a service that many of these women are not willing to offer once they 1.00

02:08:38.520 get married so that's why i will never use that term because there are women that will do the 1.00

02:08:43.800 dirty work so we got to you got to remember that well they like being called horse they

02:08:48.600 They even tell the men in, like, sex to, like, you know.

02:08:52.840 Maybe I was not that guy because nobody's ever told me to say that.

02:08:56.640 You see, like, Bonnie Blue and, like, Lily Phillips. 0.98

02:08:59.160 They're, like, going on the podcast saying, yep, I am a whore. 0.92

02:09:02.500 Bonnie Blue, I've seen her recently. 0.97

02:09:04.560 Was she on with Tate recently?

02:09:07.040 Oh, it's Doug MPA saying women have more homes because of divorce.

02:09:12.020 It's a lot.

02:09:13.020 A lot of them, they are winning them.

02:09:15.220 They are winning the homes.

02:09:16.560 That's the thing.

02:09:17.360 man man he i'm gonna come way more prepared if i get invited oh you can come back it's whatever

02:09:24.440 i mean we do call-ins like a few days a week so if you ever like a topic i mean

02:09:28.760 we'll give you preference we can let you up it's cool

02:09:31.740 um well i think that's all of his notes he had here he's there's like a google doc so sometimes

02:09:39.860 a lot of stuff um well thanks so much for coming on i had so much fun did you have fun

02:09:44.940 amazing i had a question could i say how people can find me i was about to ask you so yeah go

02:09:52.900 ahead all right i'll do closing remarks um so hey everyone thank you pearl for you know allowing me

02:09:59.100 on your platform uh it's kind of crazy to go from starting this two months ago to now meeting you

02:10:05.180 and and one of the biggest most influential voices in our culture right now um in terms of how i see

02:10:11.160 myself i'm a normal guy who just works for a living and i think i have an interest in perspective

02:10:17.560 i don't think i have the argumentation skill set of andrew wilson um i don't think i have the

02:10:23.240 perspicacity of andrew tate i don't even think that i have like the clinical background and

02:10:29.080 depth of like dr jordan peterson i definitely don't have that swag of uh uh the guy kevin

02:10:36.600 samuels so um honestly i'm just jeff i'm me and if you want to follow the journey um my podcast is

02:10:45.520 ask a brother uh podcast on youtube instagram tiktok and you know i'll do collabs and i'll

02:10:52.360 work with like-minded people that not only agree with me but people who don't and my goal is just

02:10:57.400 to get us to become thinkers and readers again and make thinking reading and becoming better

02:11:02.900 versions of ourselves cool again so thank you for the opportunity and looking forward to y'all

02:11:07.860 joining me in this journey awesome and doug mpa if you could put his links to his stuff in like

02:11:13.220 the comment section in the description that'd be great um i'm gonna read the super chats really

02:11:18.180 quick before we close out um 80s nostalgia guy says you can know how much a woman truly loves

02:11:24.340 you by how generous she is with her money in my experience the women who are the most attracted 0.99

02:11:28.820 to me we're more happy to take turns paying for dates true or false true 100 100 the camp the

02:11:37.940 camera i'm looking through my wife bought me for father's guy uh all this stuff that you just see

02:11:42.980 behind me i have set up nothing my wife did it so when he's 100 right and that's the whole

02:11:49.140 distinguishing good versus bad women the women that want you and love you genuinely want you for

02:11:54.420 you they don't hold money back for nothing they will support you and your endeavors and figure

02:11:59.700 out how they can add to your life and i bet a man made her good yeah me me yeah you see somebody 0.94

02:12:09.780 did it it wasn't herself yeah yeah i'm gonna claim the crap all right um someone kw says 0.62

02:12:19.540 accept my only fans pronouns or else okay well we're very excited for you to start your call-in 0.89

02:12:26.360 show um if you're ever looking for editors or stuff i have recommendations i can give you so

02:12:32.920 yeah totally i can't do nothing right now i don't know how to do anything i need help immediately

02:12:38.260 okay okay i will um all right guys make sure you like the video on your way out and go check out

02:12:44.200 his channel go subscribe um are you monetized yet on youtube or no no because i literally just

02:12:50.360 started two months ago um i'm not even close but i think once this goes up and i put some stuff out

02:12:56.560 soon uh who knows i think it'll change up okay well um guys make sure you go subscribe to it

02:13:02.120 and let's try to get them to a thousand subscribers so that'd be pretty cool all right guys like the

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Pearl - July 10, 2025

Jeff St James ｜ The Sitdown

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