Pearl - Jillean Michaels Vs. Fat Women

00:00:00.000 what is up guys welcome to another episode of pearl daily here on the audacity network

00:00:09.740 thank you guys so much for tuning in if anyone cares i'm on book three of piano

00:00:14.420 i know i know you guys are on the edge of your seats just wondering how far have you made it

00:00:21.280 Um, but you know, I'm, I'm here to, you know, let you guys know. I still haven't finished book

00:00:30.700 three of guitar. We're like doing the review. It's killing me. It's killing me. All right,

00:00:36.960 guys, you got to bear with me. I'm a little bit sick today. My throat is just, I don't know what

00:00:42.120 it is. But anyways, okay. So today we are going to be talking about fat people. Just so you guys

00:00:53.620 know, I used to be 210 pounds. And it's actually changed my life losing that weight. And I've

00:01:01.960 always felt like weight is my Achilles heel in life. Like some people struggle with drugs.

00:01:06.960 Some people struggle with like taking dick every weekend, you know, like a different dick. You

00:01:11.820 know i mean that's their struggle in life um my struggle has been that i have it in me to be a

00:01:17.300 500 pound i i could look like this woman i really have it in me um so when these fat people

00:01:23.580 talk i don't have a ton of sympathy uh because i have it in me to be an obese woman i really do

00:01:31.300 oh my god that was so bad

00:01:35.440 fat people are gonna keep eating

00:01:44.520 as long as they keep on breathing

00:01:53.720 fatties are gonna eat you know you can't compete

00:02:07.720 fatties are gonna eat you know you can't compete

00:02:19.020 i think you should be under 30 body fat to call into the show

00:02:25.040 if you don't know your fat body fat percentage it's probably too high

00:02:29.100 it's probably too high okay so today we're reacting they've asked me to do this and maybe

00:02:34.620 one day i will but it's just i almost feel like arguing with somebody like people this dumb

00:02:41.820 is like insulting to my intelligence and it's not that i think i'm that intelligent i just think

00:02:47.920 these people are that dumb you know so body positivity has given me you have to like love

00:02:57.320 yourself you have to invite love into the space how by looking at yourself in the mirror and

00:03:02.360 telling yourself i'm beautiful it's not gonna work kid it does it's an snl skit are americans

00:03:08.220 fat phobic and obsessed with unrealistic beauty standards or has the body positivity movement

00:03:13.980 normalize unhealthy habits and lifestyles.

00:03:17.060 I'm John Rigolato, and today we're gonna have a debate

00:03:19.280 about what it means to be healthy.

00:03:21.600 Jillian, how are you feeling?

00:03:22.820 I feel good.

00:03:23.880 Debaters, are you ready to come at Jillian

00:03:25.440 with your best arguments?

00:03:27.880 All right, let's get into it.

00:03:29.100 Hi, I'm Jillian Michaels.

00:03:30.200 I'm a fitness expert and a health advocate.

00:03:32.040 And the GOAT!

00:03:33.620 Today, I am surrounded by 20 body positivity activists.

00:03:41.340 All right, my first surrounded claim

00:03:42.780 is that obesity is not healthy and pretending it is puts lives at risk

00:03:51.100 if you want to be the first debater get to the chair in three two one

00:03:58.460 hi hi i'm edie nice to meet you i'm a dating disorder therapist i'm gonna do my best to

00:04:03.580 not use the o word because i find it you're so stupid you can't even use a word without

00:04:08.300 getting offended i mean that's a level of stupidity um i gotta give her props for sitting down with

00:04:14.860 and i'm supposed to take you seriously

00:04:19.980 yeah the most exercise they've had in their lives is walking to that chair i know

00:04:24.700 it um pretty offensive uh so i'm gonna use fat bodied as we talk okay um do you understand why

00:04:33.100 people find it harmful and triggering it overweight and obese is literally just having

00:04:39.980 too much body fat it has nothing to do with the quality of the person yeah i agree with you on

00:04:45.420 that it it means you have a negative trait right and as someone that was overweight it meant i

00:04:52.140 lacked discipline to stop eating right so are we going to debate the claim yeah i just wanted to

00:04:58.460 gonna yeah i wanted to clarify though you're gonna pretend like i'm a three and you're my mommy

00:05:03.740 telling me how to talk wow okay okay so the claim that you're saying do this they throw the first

00:05:11.820 punch and then when she punches back they say oh okay and like then they get offended is that it

00:05:19.020 is inherently unhealthy to live in a fat body it's inherent inherently unhealthy to have excess body

00:05:27.100 fat yes okay where are you getting that information oh okay there are dozens of mrt trials

00:05:34.860 that show having excess body fat dozens is causal not correlated no that's not true there is no

00:05:42.220 disease that just fat-bodied people get i didn't say that i didn't say that but obesity lends itself

00:05:50.540 to all-cause mortality across the board have you heard of something called adiposopathy mm-hmm okay

00:05:56.620 so you know it means literally sick fat and you understand how it works okay tell me how it works

00:06:03.660 so it's a additional layer of fat in the stomach area no that's not what it is

00:06:11.580 it works as follows when we eat too much food that has energy oh my god now she's pissed because

00:06:19.180 oh my gosh that we're not utilizing the body needs to put that energy somewhere right so

00:06:24.620 it puts it in fat cells so it puts it in initially subcutaneous fat cells a little bit of visceral

00:06:30.220 fat which is fat around the organs and at first you have hyperplasia which means we're recruiting

00:06:35.980 new little fat cells which isn't necessarily a bad thing up to a point now the issue is that once you

00:06:43.260 can no longer recruit more fat cells right you get hypertrophy so the fat cells start to expand

00:06:50.220 and this is exceptionally dangerous because what ends up happening is the blood vessels

00:06:55.420 get outpaced so the fat cells can't get oxygen and they start screaming literally and when they

00:07:02.300 do they release cytokines inflammatory proteins right i want to of course you do want to pause

00:07:09.820 because it's irrefutable you don't even know what i'm talking about so dillian okay first of all i

00:07:16.540 I don't appreciate the way that you're speaking to me right now.

00:07:18.580 You called me out for just-

00:07:19.760 Oh my, see this?

00:07:22.300 Women just can't take an L.

00:07:23.560 You took an L, you looked stupid.

00:07:25.180 And now you're pretending you didn't look stupid.

00:07:27.380 Trying to understand the languaging and saying I was talking to a three-year-old

00:07:30.780 I felt like I was talking to you very respectfully.

00:07:32.620 You're talking to me very disrespectfully right now.

00:07:34.920 Here's the thing.

00:07:35.400 And I want to-

00:07:36.400 Because you're telling me you understand it, but you don't understand it.

00:07:39.040 You fundamentally describe it accurately.

00:07:43.240 But what I understand is that-

00:07:45.160 What's lipotoxicity?

00:07:46.540 I don't want to talk about, I am not, okay, here, I'm going to say this straight out. I am not a

00:07:50.680 medical doctor. Okay. So I'm not going to talk to you about medical diagnosis because that's

00:07:55.020 outside my scope. And I'm fully willing, Hey, I'm fully willing to be wrong. What I am here to talk

00:08:00.140 to you about is the fact that people in fat bodies are irregularly harmed going into the medical

00:08:06.900 system every single day because of the term, the O word. So that's what you want to litigate.

00:08:12.080 yeah okay that's not the claim the idea that fat-bodied people are inherently unhealthy is

00:08:19.900 i believe incorrect no i'm not wrong i'm not wrong okay so let me finish you can't look at

00:08:28.960 let me finish let me finish my thought first you can't look at a person's body and tell whether

00:08:34.280 william's like a smart person and for a woman i never call women smart but she's actually smart

00:08:40.020 person doug mp why did you say that

00:08:43.380 he says jillian's getting me hard right now she likes women you know but okay

00:08:55.400 not their what tell their health status so fat is an endocrine you see what i mean it's like

00:09:03.860 such a waste of her time arguing with such a stupid person you know and that's what you know

00:09:10.040 my father explained this to me um like I would always be worried about the internet when I first

00:09:16.180 got on it and my dad um he was like why do you care about their opinions and I think men inherently

00:09:23.320 size each other up and say this person's retarded why do I care but women we don't know how retarded

00:09:29.700 we are and we don't know how retarded other people are so an organ when it over grows it does wreak

00:09:36.420 havoc in the body i didn't finish telling you what happens so when the oxygen can't get to those fat

00:09:43.060 cells they'll die and they'll rupture and then the immune system starts dumping macrophages in to try

00:09:48.980 to clean it up but do you know what's even more unhealthy is weight cycling and as we talked

00:09:53.460 about earlier only except for your your your people who have if you want to talk about that

00:09:59.860 clean we can the claim is so then what are you supposed to do though so let's say this person

00:10:05.380 is in a fat body and they are inherently unhealthy right we're telling they're they're unhealthy

00:10:09.620 because they're in this okay when i was fat i stopped drinking 250 i would get a 250 calorie

00:10:17.540 um caramel latte and a lot of times i would get two

00:10:22.740 now my latte drink the highest calorie one i get is 100 calories so i can have two

00:10:30.820 and that's you know like and by the way most of mine are like 50 but

00:10:36.340 if i if i'm really splurging i'll get a 100 calorie one

00:10:39.300 and it's just like little replacements that over time add up you know that body what are

00:10:49.580 they supposed to do will be more significantly more prone to all-cause mortality for me

00:10:54.960 intentional weight loss fails 95 to 98 percent of the time so what is that either you would

00:11:00.660 probably do this better than me because weight is not an individualistic pursuit you narrow it down

00:11:08.580 this idea that it's causal like that they're just not trying hard enough but that is it's

00:11:13.460 multi-factorial unquestionably a lot of people lose weight the problem right is that they put

00:11:20.100 it back on are we in agreement yes okay great why do you think okay we gotta pause damn it all right

00:11:30.420 i'm getting somewhere yeah voted out by the majority please return to your seat okay

00:11:38.580 the fact that she has to convert like this is why i didn't want to do this um this show because i'm

00:11:51.340 like why do i have to converse with these people i have done enough i have conversed with losers

00:11:59.660 i did it for two years straight that's my contribution okay buddy for like as long as

00:12:06.260 I can remember. And I've known very many fat people. And I don't think any of us, the people

00:12:12.320 that I know, I can only speak to the people that I know. I don't think any of us are pretending

00:12:17.140 that we're okay with it. What I want to say here is I live with autoimmune disorders. I live with

00:12:25.820 chronic illness and I'm also neurodivergent. But a lot of the disorders are caused by eating too

00:12:34.580 much like you know i noticed that my allergies aren't i mean they're still kind of bad but they

00:12:39.440 got less bad the more i lost weight you know so let's see and this is the body positivity movement

00:12:49.840 has made it so that i can tolerate this life i can find ways to thrive even still um but i'm not

00:13:00.680 pretending that this doesn't bother me and by bother i mean that it doesn't hurt to carry my

00:13:08.120 weight i'm willing to concede with you that carrying around extra weight is harder it is

00:13:14.500 but i it must be done i don't know that i agree with you okay tell me more please well tell me

00:13:21.600 why you think it must be done because i've worked really hard to not have have you can work hard and

00:13:27.620 not work smart like i used to run um marathons in order to lose weight it's not men always find

00:13:36.980 the smartest way to lose weight women not so much we find like the most unintelligent way to do it

00:13:41.820 this what does that mean like you beat yourself up in the gym or something no i don't that's not fun

00:13:48.100 no i'm not i'm just trying to understand what you mean what i mean is that um i grew up with

00:13:54.460 with a number of undiagnosed conditions and even i can think back to like middle school and i

00:14:01.140 couldn't keep up when the pe teacher would make us like run laps and i'm like this is physically

00:14:06.340 aching me and i didn't understand why and i didn't understand why because i grew up with a single

00:14:11.300 parent undocumented single parent we were problem is you probably are lacking life skills a lot of

00:14:18.020 us are the skill of cooking and not eating too much so and cleaning up after yourself

00:14:23.380 we're bound to the medical system that we had access to i've done what i needed to do

00:14:32.660 a number of times to try to lose weight but not enough i've done done i've worked at i've

00:14:41.220 worked out at the gym i've tried to do pilates i even yoga even yoga hurts me how long have you

00:14:47.140 done it okay but you could just do steps like honestly if i was gonna someone at her size

00:14:55.220 every day she has to be eating absurd like numbers okay so my step one i wouldn't even

00:15:04.340 recommend working out that's too much for you to think about okay honey that's too many like

00:15:09.940 exercise you're it's you're gonna get overwhelmed all right let's do step one you can get 10 000

00:15:16.260 steps a day well you know we could even do eight you probably need seven thousand you probably need

00:15:20.580 to break five thousand okay we'll start with five thousand steps a day and then um let's let's look

00:15:26.900 at what we're eating because it's probably junk exercise causes you pain the exercise okay no

00:15:33.860 right i'm with you uh-huh dieting for example okay that doesn't make any sense to me i don't think

00:15:39.700 that food makes very much sense to me in my neurodivergent brain this is where mechanistic

00:15:44.340 eating actually helps people who are neurodivergent and the research supports that because it doesn't

00:15:49.500 have to make sense to you okay in other words it's like you eat on these schedules and you eat these

00:15:53.720 foods and you eat this much hence the concept right of mechanistic i don't like that i understand

00:15:57.940 that you don't like it but you'll have to decide what you don't like more carrying the weight or

00:16:02.540 the mechanistic eating because it actually could be helpful there are other ways forward but you

00:16:06.680 told me you tried them i tried i tried a whole lot there's a lot of other things to be concerned

00:16:12.560 about i'm also a social worker i work with youth oh god help us god help us oh my god there are a

00:16:20.560 lot of let's go back to you uh-huh yes i'm i'm saying for me right there are many things that

00:16:26.220 i'm more concerned about than my weight my my body is not the most interesting thing about

00:16:31.580 your weight and said i don't see a way out of this right and i'm just and i just i'm telling

00:16:37.200 care of it in the ways that i can and i've found works for me but you just told me it didn't work

00:16:43.440 for you all right um small william dreams of salmon but it works to an extent you just told

00:16:52.000 me it didn't work for you it works to an extent and this isn't a relevant conversation if you're

00:16:57.040 happy with it i stand on 10 toes 10 toes down that we are not pretending that there's healthy

00:17:04.000 at any size there are absolutely elements and aspects of the movement that do put that messaging

00:17:11.120 into the universe i've had those debates you've said i've had numerous debates with people yeah

00:17:17.040 i mean she's been doing this forever i mean i used to watch my mom used to cry while watching

00:17:21.840 the biggest loser we would watch like them lose all the weight and then my mom would start crying

00:17:28.080 people who are body positivity activists that try to tell me that they can be healthy at any size

00:17:33.760 and it's just not the case and i disagree with that and i can use shame as a vehicle

00:17:41.760 i'm sorry we have to pause you've been voted out by the majority

00:17:52.800 what i'm curious about is if you care about people's health and you have people in front

00:17:57.360 any of you, and I'm sure you have people online who are telling you that the body positivity

00:18:01.680 movement, or I prefer body liberation, body justice, body acceptance, body blub, all the

00:18:07.340 good shit that we like actually increases their health, then I don't understand your

00:18:14.640 debate.

00:18:15.440 Like, what are you debating if the fat people are telling you it makes their life better?

00:18:19.200 I'm debating their physical health, and I'm debating the people who claim that you can

00:18:23.160 be physically healthy at any size.

00:18:25.780 Okay.

00:18:26.220 Do you think you can be physically healthy and mentally unhealthy at the same time?

00:18:30.080 Of course, but that's not the claim.

00:18:31.980 Okay, sure.

00:18:34.500 I think the part where I get stuck, I am a mental health professional.

00:18:39.540 I work with people from a body liberation standpoint.

00:18:42.400 I work with people in all shapes of bodies.

00:18:44.100 What I know to be true from my experience is that body positivity, body liberation helps

00:18:50.040 people take care of themselves.

00:18:51.560 it's very difficult to understand why you think somebody is going to take better care of a body

00:18:57.160 they hate. Like why body positivity would not inspire people to take better care of their bodies.

00:19:03.920 I never said you should hate your body. In fact, you should. Okay. So they don't think that. What

00:19:10.680 I think is that there are people in the movement who have co-opted healthy at any size and it went

00:19:15.940 from access to healthcare to quite literally meaning for them that you can be healthy at any

00:19:21.000 size and that's not true okay i mean i there the studies show that if you're very very very very

00:19:27.560 thin or your body is very very very very big it is more difficult to be healthy that is absolutely

00:19:32.680 true and you agree with me on this point i don't because i i don't think body positivity is the

00:19:37.800 dangerous thing i think i think hatred of fat bodies and people hating themselves and people

00:19:43.320 living in self-loathing because they've been taught that their body is the wrong shape that's

00:19:47.880 the danger both can be true at one uh take an l no that's not true she's being way too patient

00:19:56.360 she's being way too patient that's too bad she's a lesbian she would have she's pretty she would

00:20:03.080 have some pretty kids so let's look at this right so the first thing we would want to do obviously

00:20:08.040 is incentivize somebody so it's like okay what's the why that's going to allow you to tolerate the

00:20:14.440 how but hold on hold on that's the positive that's the inspiration piece okay now here's the issue

00:20:22.600 if that piece if all the things that they get out of it don't serve them as much as the things that

00:20:29.080 are getting out of being overweight and it does provide quite a lot i can give you an example

00:20:34.520 wait then they're not going unconsciously they will sabotage the change can i give you an example

00:20:39.160 so you'll understand it okay there was a kid that i worked with okay on biggest losers 18

00:20:44.280 years old okay he shows up with his dad ken they both lose like 100 pounds they go home

00:20:51.320 and they're visiting their family it's the holidays the doors fly open and there's mom

00:20:56.920 and mom starts crying and she's not crying tears of joy she feels like they're gonna abandon her

00:21:03.640 like they broke the contract like they've outgrown her and she becomes sad and she withdraws

00:21:09.240 so what does the 18 year old do he starts eating with mom again what does the food provide him

00:21:15.160 a connection with his mom oh mothers mothers leave their kids fat like um my brother had a friend

00:21:22.920 and i was like i'm not gonna say his name but so and so i came back from england and he was fat and

00:21:28.120 i'm like what happened you weren't fat before and so every day we would work out and like run together

00:21:33.080 and then his mother would be like oh why are you trying to eat healthier

00:21:36.360 it's like wow with my dad this is one of the ways that we connected food provides a lot of people

00:21:45.760 with a lot of different things yes you cannot eat and not have your parasympathetic nervous

00:21:49.660 system turn on at the same time there's no such thing as not emotional eating it's fine it's good

00:21:53.700 it's great food is great but what i'm trying to show you is that if in some cases the pain

00:22:01.720 associated with continuing that defense mechanism is greater than the pain associated with change

00:22:10.920 it helps people change in some cases not in the long term and i agree with you well yeah most

00:22:16.360 people do go back but some people do change um and they do get better hat mostly men right women

00:22:22.680 will just stay fat forever but mostly men notice how most of the people arguing are women it's like

00:22:27.320 It's like women coping with being ugly.

00:22:29.940 Take the L, sis.

00:22:30.940 I'm sorry you've been voted out by the majority.

00:22:33.700 Please return to your seat.

00:22:39.980 So we, earlier you were speaking about how these, there's randomized control trials that

00:22:45.220 show.

00:22:46.220 Randomized control trials that have now shown us that obesity is causal to all cause mortality.

00:22:51.660 Okay.

00:22:52.660 So I disagree with that.

00:22:53.660 I think there's going to be a problem with it.

00:22:55.660 Oh my God.

00:22:56.660 disagree with that I mean this is why arguing with women is impossible look we have eyes fat

00:23:04.600 people are dying fat people are having heart attacks there's studies that also links it

00:23:10.700 we look in the media there's examples of celebrities that are fat dying early

00:23:15.980 well I don't agree with that well not every opinion is a valid opinion right not every

00:23:24.620 opinions and important opinion yes here's why i disagree because you can disagree no but let me

00:23:31.520 please please let me hear me out okay okay so the reason why is because registered dietitian

00:23:36.600 school for six years side nutrition weights all the all the stuff and yeah but we don't really

00:23:41.700 care i don't want to hear your title i want to hear your argument personal personal trainers

00:23:48.440 probably know more than nutrition i mean your resume is your body like what does your body look

00:23:52.720 we can't keep toxicity it doesn't come up my curriculum because it's because it's a

00:23:57.760 tick tock thing that's like you know i was never meant to hear your you're lucky i have this job

00:24:05.680 woman because it's just you're a crazy lady i was never meant to hear your opinion

00:24:15.200 no cortisol face or whatever it's not listen to me it is not

00:24:19.520 bullshit it's ectopic fat but can we just say because you keep sidestepping this is the claim

00:24:26.480 okay okay the claim is that obesity is unhealthy lipotoxicity is not but it is the definition

00:24:34.560 of ectopic fat it's funny it never came up in six years of a professional accredited

00:24:39.520 what's fatty liver disease i know what fatty liver i was a clinical dietician that's lipotoxicity okay

00:24:45.040 okay when fat is in the liver when fat i'm actually trying to learn um is in the heart

00:24:50.640 when fat gets deposited in the brain yeah that is lipotoxicity and it happens when the body has

00:24:58.000 no place to put the excess energy anymore it is irrefutable that that is bad for your health

00:25:04.720 can we just go back to the correlation

00:25:06.000 see it's like i would have asked a few questions because i'm like oh

00:25:12.560 i weigh 197 pounds i average every month 190 to 200 i've never gone past

00:25:18.580 200 the reason is because i cut sugar out of my diet well

00:25:22.880 let's see it i have 11 that seems a little high unless you're built sorry

00:25:36.000 oh my god causation so you're okay lipotoxicity refers to cell damage caused by excess fatty acids

00:25:46.340 accumulating in organs that are not designed to store fat such as the liver pancreas heart

00:25:51.140 and muscles when fat spills from the apatose tissue into these organs that can promote

00:25:56.640 inflammation insulin resistance and organ dysfunction okay saying there's causal studies

00:26:01.400 right yes mrt studies that's great okay so i think is the reason why we cannot show that that the fat

00:26:10.280 in and of itself leads to the negative health outcomes is because we cannot keep a human in a

00:26:14.600 lab and control every factor but have the only thing that's different mendelian randomized but

00:26:20.440 can you just listen so a person that a person inherently eliminates any completing i know

00:26:26.360 you need to have like a certain level of intelligence

00:26:28.840 to talk to her about this topic or humility one or the other you know intelligent people don't

00:26:38.760 mind talking to dumb people if if there's a sense of humility oh Jillian I didn't know what that was

00:26:45.220 tell me oh fatty liver disease I think I used to have that actually I think I had that when I was

00:26:52.720 heavy i gotta that sounds like something maybe i still do i should get to test it again

00:26:59.920 factors because they're based on genetic predispositions coupled with

00:27:04.880 like a person in a larger body has experienced things that we can't undo from the fat so for

00:27:12.880 example they might have negative health outcomes because every time they go to a doctor instead

00:27:17.360 of being given an evidence-based treatment like i have unearned thin privilege i go to a doctor

00:27:22.080 i say you know my stomach hurts i get a full workup saying the earth is flat are you trying

00:27:27.360 to tell me that having fat in your liver i just want to talk about fat in your heart

00:27:32.080 having fat deposited in your brain is healthy no i just want to talk about

00:27:38.880 oh my god

00:27:42.640 i don't they they need to pay me like 10 grand to talk to these people

00:27:46.000 10 grand we are not trying to say that it's healthy no i'm not trying to tell you that is

00:27:52.720 what i said i was never talking about the health of it okay i'm trying to say everything you're

00:27:56.720 saying is hinging on this idea and it's it's a problem that we disagree on it that it's the

00:28:01.120 weight in and of itself that leads to the negative health outcomes you're saying this mrt totally is

00:28:06.320 that is an endocrine organ i know but but can you what about it destroys your hormone balance

00:28:13.280 it creates insulin sensitivity when the body has too much fat it releases insane amounts of

00:28:20.880 different i just wonder have you heard of social determinants of health tell me about it okay

00:28:25.760 social determinants of health a group of factors that impact someone's health outcomes okay that

00:28:30.320 are things like your uh your your health care access and quality neighborhood and built environment

00:28:35.760 things like your stress levels and socioeconomic status here's the thing a person who's fat lives

00:28:41.840 in a larger body they we can't take away that that person has probably experienced

00:28:46.800 higher stress levels their whole life from experiencing marginalization every corner

00:28:56.160 look it is tough not being hot it's tough being ugly okay it is tough and i'm sure it stresses

00:29:02.960 you out but nobody's really pant like if anything when you become fat you're like invisible like we

00:29:08.400 just don't see you we don't discriminate against you but you're now like the equivalent especially

00:29:13.040 as a woman of an 80 year old woman like we just you're invisible we don't see you from shows like

00:29:18.400 the biggest loser to the doctor's office okay you know who does see you black men they see you

00:29:24.000 they see you loud and clear yeah can't take away that they haven't been given evidence-based health

00:29:34.160 options because when they go to a doctor they're told to go lose weight fat gets deposited in the

00:29:39.600 brain answering what i'm saying how does how does i'm confused are you suggesting these are the

00:29:44.560 reasons people become overweight no i'm suggesting that i a person could be in a larger body and be

00:29:51.200 perfectly healthy on a buy on based on their labs that their cholesterol seven percent of people who

00:29:56.240 are classified as overweight or obese call it whatever you guys feel comfortable with only

00:30:03.040 seven percent are classified as healthy say that was true say we knew first grab the data for you

00:30:08.080 right now say we knew for certain that it was unhealthy that that what you're saying is true

00:30:14.320 here's the class but even then even then we'd be in this place where

00:30:17.760 okay so what do we do are we gonna send someone down eat less exercise more

00:30:24.800 on a path of trying to lose weight and then gaining and trying and gaining and we know

00:30:28.640 that weight cycling in and of itself bad for the heart bad for insulin bad for the brain

00:30:32.640 bad for all the things we work with that individual that's what i do in my private

00:30:36.400 practice that's wonderful yeah and i don't i don't encourage we like god help us these

00:30:40.800 are the nutritionists oh my god oh my god these are the nutritionists of america us because it's

00:30:57.760 unethical i disagree with you and what's ethical you were asking before what it's unethical not to

00:31:03.760 be transparent with people and the dangers yeah transparency is the dangers of weight cycling

00:31:08.960 you can go down that path that's a separate issue you're presuming they're weight cycling

00:31:13.200 if you're doing your job they shouldn't have to wait cycle right no it's not about me it's about

00:31:17.440 the body the body is so smart we are we are but we're animals our bodies when we lose weight our

00:31:21.440 body goes oh she just starved me i'm gonna do everything i can to try to get back to that place

00:31:26.880 i think you drive up thoughts about food i think it's slow down metabolism to conserve the energy

00:31:31.760 you are getting are you suggesting that because it's hard and it's multifactorial we should negate

00:31:36.960 the dangers and not try to get healthier that it's more dangerous to weight cycle than it is

00:31:41.280 to stay in a fat body still not the clean okay what is weight cycle like gain and lose and gain

00:31:46.960 and lose i mean probably that's a lot on your body it'd be the most healthy to just to just lose it

00:31:55.440 you know he says i'm a five in looks but i have a six pack okay well maybe your composition it

00:32:03.040 sounded a little high to me but you know if you have a six pack you probably know what you're

00:32:06.800 doing i don't have a six pack so well see that see that that's humility that's deference well

00:32:11.840 i don't have a six pack so i'll defer to you you know and if if you want to show me that like sure

00:32:19.280 show me the data i'm not going to argue with that it's not healthy to do that either that's still

00:32:23.200 not the claim. This isn't a hierarchy of what is unhealthy. We're out of time. We have to pause

00:32:28.300 there. Yeah, thank you for that exchange. Who put these here? Can someone remove these off the set,

00:32:38.040 please? Come on. No. Thank you. Thank you. That could have gone really bad. Workplace injuries

00:32:51.900 are inevitable and luckily for me i know just who to call when accidents like that happen once on my

00:32:58.700 way to work a motorcyclist is that the large food companies are one of the primary beneficiaries

00:33:04.020 of the body positivity movement all right if you want to be the next debater get to the chair

00:33:09.680 in three, two, one.

00:33:14.500 Hi.

00:33:15.320 Hi.

00:33:16.160 How are you?

00:33:17.120 I'm Siobhan.

00:33:17.700 Nice to meet you, Siobhan.

00:33:19.540 So, what are you classifying as large food companies?

00:33:23.640 Okay.

00:33:24.600 PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, General Mills.

00:33:29.040 Okay.

00:33:30.000 Now, if they were beneficiaries and benefactoring and...

00:33:33.960 Oh, my God.

00:33:35.720 Again.

00:33:38.180 Oh, my God.

00:33:39.680 i think i'm gonna sneeze no okay like why do i i can't believe i have to listen to this woman's

00:33:50.020 opinion like it's crazy that she even gets a microphone it's almost doing a disservice to

00:33:55.740 the woman because nowhere like you are so fat nowhere in my lifetime should you have a microphone

00:34:02.340 nowhere like do you understand when you are fat you signal to the world i am so stupid that i

00:34:11.440 can't put a donut down that's what you're signaling i am so lazy that i cannot put a

00:34:19.080 donut and i've been there right i've been there you know i was fat and lazy so um but

00:34:26.840 and you got to learn making all this money off of the body positivity movement why is it that

00:34:33.500 they spend billions on calorie counting apps on a lot of things that we see in society as

00:34:41.620 forcing the losing weight or talking about losing weight because that to me doesn't make sense and

00:34:47.420 doesn't correlate but also people that are benefiting from this are the people in the body

00:34:53.980 why was I fat and lazy I'll tell you my problem it was um well it wasn't anything triggered it

00:35:01.400 was just I didn't know how to cook um I didn't I wasn't that good at cleaning either so it was

00:35:06.400 it felt like a lot of work to like cook um and I didn't know how to do it so that was one problem

00:35:14.380 another problem was I really enjoyed I've always enjoyed and this is something I still struggle

00:35:19.320 with i love liquid calories i love it i love smoothies i love you know i love coffee with

00:35:26.520 sugar i hate water i just i wish i could um and over time you just like it's just measuring what

00:35:35.240 you're eating over time and you figure out what the problems were mine was caramel lattes you know

00:35:40.680 so positivity movement themselves a little bit about myself wait can i clarify one thing please

00:35:47.560 i'm talking predominantly about finance okay sorry perfect thank you even even that i still will say

00:35:54.360 so i come from hey i can cook now but before no i couldn't before that's true the wedding industry

00:36:00.520 so i created the first publication in the world for plus size brides i've now gotten 13 wedding

00:36:06.200 publications around what plus size women are getting married now oh my god this isn't fellas

00:36:11.960 black men what are you doing what are you doing well there is enough plus size brides

00:36:19.000 that they can have publications specifically for plus size brides

00:36:25.320 what are you guys doing doug mp you got to tell black men they got to do better than this and

00:36:30.040 the occasional white man i don't think i understand insulin i understand calories

00:36:41.960 huh maybe i need to i'm the world and my biggest thing is is the wedding industry is very centric

00:36:50.440 on this is what the wedding industry looks like i have created a platform where body pot and not

00:36:57.160 just larger bodied body positivity but body positivity for all sizes and i'm going to come

00:37:04.600 specifically from the wedding industry which is very different i know but it still is a very

00:37:08.120 weight-centric okay yes so your argument is the the wedding industry is the primary beneficiary

00:37:13.880 i'm not saying that i'm saying that's where my knowledge comes from but the body positivity

00:37:19.320 movement is really for us we are the main and i'm saying we because i'm a large body person

00:37:25.160 i totally understand that's where it's really coming from the ways they're exploiting oh please

00:37:30.440 so there have been two really big exposés one by the washington post and one by the examiner

00:37:36.200 so they're coming at this from numerous angles so the first one is they've gone after

00:37:42.840 jillian is an expert in health and fitness and all these people to think she doesn't

00:37:46.600 know what she's talking about in all that weight debating jillian not an ounce of a logical

00:37:52.840 body positivity argument yeah i mean i would ask her a million questions she knows more than i do

00:37:58.360 you know a lot of the intuitive eating dieticians okay so let me just can i give you some statistics

00:38:04.920 okay so washington post analyzed more than 6 000 social media posts by 68 registered dietitians

00:38:13.080 with a combined reach of over 9 million followers 40 of them were using the anti-diet language right

00:38:19.080 like food freedom no food rules ditch the diet healthy in any size so on and so forth very often

00:38:25.960 not disclosing the fact that they were paid by the big food companies okay okay so they're basically

00:38:33.000 going after the intuitive eating dietitians i can give you abby sharp that's okay though but but i

00:38:38.520 want you to listen okay yeah they are doing that yes but the aspect that the body positive movement

00:38:45.800 is really for us that is not even anywhere we need to equate into it it really is with you

00:38:51.480 when they're using your movement but that but do you and i'm gonna say this clearly and for right

00:38:56.840 now it's just so crazy because in these debates you just see how confidently like the expert is

00:39:04.280 humble and the idiot is confident isn't that incredible the expert humble

00:39:13.160 idiot competent or idiot confident it's just incredible

00:39:20.760 that's incredible i don't care who uses my movement i want the movement to be there

00:39:25.480 and that right there they can take it it's marketing and sales 101 of course they're

00:39:30.720 gonna use the fucking movement but then because she even know what marketing and sales 101 is

00:39:36.820 can't you guys say you don't get to co-opt our movement that's not for me to do i don't care

00:39:43.080 about that the thing is is we don't care but it's not about we should we are doing what we're doing

00:39:49.440 because this is our family this is our world it doesn't matter about what do you think but the

00:39:56.840 thing is we don't care you we are the movement but there are a lot of people that are being

00:40:02.160 hurt by this and these guys essentially are engineering food to be addictive to and you know

00:40:10.400 what and i will say this i will say this yeah i will give you the claps on that i will say yes

00:40:15.380 that is true but what i do want to say yeah is that that it is happens all the time a movement

00:40:22.480 starts and someone comes in and takes it and someone comes in and comes in and someone comes

00:40:26.580 in and don't deny it you just don't care no i'm saying it's fine for them to do that but the bigger

00:40:32.840 issue that i want you to realize is that the body positivity movement is ultimately for us

00:40:39.380 if someone wants to come and get on our coattail that's perfectly fine but for us it doesn't need

00:40:44.480 go away it doesn't need to go anywhere it doesn't go away but i'm i'm suggesting now see there's a

00:40:50.880 suggestion okay i like it i like it okay i'm see bruh the older i get i just see how dumb people

00:40:59.520 are like it's just and it's not even that i think i'm that smart but god

00:41:07.040 i've just had arguments and i can't even believe i've argued with people

00:41:10.480 suggesting that it could evolve that you guys could call out when you're co-opted that you

00:41:18.840 could centralize messaging so that it's not all over the place i am not opposed to okay i'm not

00:41:25.320 opposed to that i'm not saying it that's not a claim no but the thing is is i want you to know

00:41:30.060 who the true beneficiaries are you're saying that they are the main beneficiaries financially yeah

00:41:36.040 and that's okay and that's okay but you're saying the claim says that the large food companies yes

00:41:41.880 are the main beneficiaries of the body positive movement that is not correct i understand because

00:41:47.400 we are the main people we are the main beneficiaries of the body positive movement if someone wants to

00:41:53.240 come and get our hotel go ahead disagree with you on that i think that's a mistake and that's okay

00:41:58.520 i think that you guys could tell them you could expose what they're doing like can i can i read

00:42:04.440 you something else okay i'm i'm here to show you how you are not here to hear i've been listening

00:42:10.200 to you i mean bro diabolical it's a one-sided dialogue well this is okay i have a friend

00:42:18.440 that's on the inside he sent me this he goes i just want to show you the ways in which this is

00:42:23.800 being in the inside of of uh i can't say that a big food you got it exactly okay so so here's

00:42:30.600 the intentional message overlap right so healthy at every size quote you can be healthy in any size

00:42:38.040 corporate benefit removes health concern barrier to sales stay with me okay dieting doesn't work

00:42:45.320 protects snack foods from being cut healthy in any size weight and health are unrelated

00:42:53.240 corporate benefit deflects from products causing obesity healthy at any size weight stigma causes

00:43:00.360 disease not weight wait wait okay i'm showing you this is this is what i would love and i'm saying

00:43:09.400 love because i want it but i love it more if there is such a resistance to the body positive

00:43:16.520 movement and i'm speaking specifically kind of from your standpoint yes yeah if there's such a

00:43:21.320 resistance to the body positive movement why are you saying why are you letting them take money

00:43:27.080 from you but where's the resistance i'm telling you acknowledging or saying that it's actual

00:43:33.240 that it needs to be i think that there are absolutely i think that intuitive eating is

00:43:39.160 a goal not not a treatment plan um i think that having access to health which is what

00:43:47.000 health in this has with and every size was initially intended to do i think all those

00:43:50.680 things are important i think unfortunately the fact that the movement is decentralized okay and

00:43:56.200 it's prone to being co-opted it can do harm in the ways that i have shown you that's what i'm

00:44:02.440 saying and that we can agree to all right wow pause there that's good we got a pause there

00:44:14.600 you've been voted out by the majority well i really appreciate this thank you thank you

00:44:18.680 Oh my God. I just lose. So I really want to focus on what you've just been saying about the co-opting

00:44:30.080 of the movement, because what you seem to be critiquing is the people who've co-opted the

00:44:34.940 movement, not the people who actually built the movement, not the people who actually are the

00:44:38.580 movement. So, so the, the idea that has movement though. So the thing is, I don't want to name

00:44:44.960 names but there are many okay influencers who have said these things so who's the movement

00:44:50.320 influencers and activists are not necessarily the same thing we know this is it's always the

00:44:54.240 gaslighting oh this isn't real body positivity this is real body positivity i mean women are

00:45:01.040 just experts these people are demons allegedly invited here as activists and advocates not

00:45:08.480 always the same thing right i don't disagree but it's become as i mentioned a patchwork quilt

00:45:15.920 of like i'm an activist i'm an influencer i'm a dietitian it's whereas like when you look at

00:45:20.080 something like aa well let me so let me guide you to something very clear about the health at every

00:45:25.360 size movement health at every size is actually a registered trademark of the association for size

00:45:29.520 diversity and health so when people are misusing that we are a movement that doesn't have the same

00:45:35.120 resources as the health and wellness industry or the health and wellness grifters or the major

00:45:41.520 food industry right we don't have those same resources to fight every time somebody misuses

00:45:45.680 our terminology our philosophies our what do you mean you guys obviously have the time because

00:45:51.120 you're not spending it at the gym i go to the gym every day so that's a lot of time you know

00:45:58.000 know practices are values but there are some of us out there who are doing that right i've never

00:46:05.980 seen caveats i never ever see the freaking all right jillian you gotta they're just gonna over

00:46:14.140 talk you this is like a therapy this is like a cope session in caveats so one maybe today maybe

00:46:21.280 maybe you could help amplify some of the cabinet i am doing that right now okay so let's go to the

00:46:27.080 I'm trying.

00:46:27.920 The claim that body positivity is primarily

00:46:30.200 benefiting big food companies.

00:46:31.760 I mean, financially.

00:46:33.400 I got it.

00:46:34.240 Because individual benefit, I can't, it's unquantifiable.

00:46:37.040 I'm talking about the way these bastards

00:46:39.620 are manipulating this message.

00:46:41.220 Right, okay.

00:46:42.060 To do things that I think are very unethical.

00:46:45.780 So, if body positivity is feeding their profits,

00:46:50.020 will we see their profits reduce as this pendulum swing

00:46:52.620 away from body positivity continues to go back

00:46:55.360 to the, you know, like I get asked all the time

00:46:58.360 as the director of NAFA, is body positivity over?

00:47:01.220 Is body positivity over because of Ozempic?

00:47:03.400 Is body positivity over because of Maha?

00:47:06.120 You know, is body positivity over?

00:47:08.080 Part of my argument is,

00:47:09.240 it depends on what you're in body positivity for.

00:47:10.980 If you're in it for systemic change,

00:47:12.500 it ain't over because the system ain't changed, right?

00:47:15.100 But I do concede the point that like,

00:47:17.200 we are moving away from some of what we saw

00:47:19.300 as body positivity for the last 10, 15 years.

00:47:21.980 What do you mean by that story?

00:47:22.820 As we move away from that.

00:47:23.780 It's less popular.

00:47:24.760 it's like oh i understand i'm moving more um getting rich off of body positivity is wrong

00:47:29.780 because corporations getting rich off of early death yeah but they're gonna die anyway they

00:47:35.280 would eat themselves into the grave no matter what with or without body positivity or towards

00:47:39.120 a thin centric ideal again or you know leaving behind we we've labeled body positivity dei and

00:47:45.000 we're turning away from that whatever as we move away from that are we going to see the profits of

00:47:50.120 these food industries drop well you are why would you need to make food genetically addictive if

00:47:57.320 body positive it's like me jillian you're trying to be polite and it always you always end up

00:48:02.320 conceding to the impolite people because you don't like interrupting so you just always get talked

00:48:07.940 it's over and just sell that food if you can just tell people when you feel good in your

00:48:22.380 body you want to eat all the Nabisco snacks that you want to because then why do we have

00:48:26.480 to make them they don't even want you to stop eating one chip can this is how this is how

00:48:32.820 incremental they are about this they literally engineer okay just just hear me out they don't

00:48:40.020 even want you to have to stop and take a drink of water when you're eating their chips so they

00:48:46.100 engineer how much fat is in your mouth in each bite there are a team of multi-disciplinary

00:48:53.300 scientists that literally work around the clock 24 7 day after day year after their body positivity

00:49:00.900 no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no so this is the thing no i'm saying what you're

00:49:06.260 describing is a misuse of science yeah what you're describing is you know what you're describing is

00:49:11.140 friction business what you're describing is capitalism what you're describing is greed yes

00:49:15.860 positivity is not the reason for that no i'm suggesting that i think you guys should get

00:49:24.420 pretty freaking vocal and pissed because these guys no i don't think so jillian they're gonna

00:49:30.180 i mean they're gonna eat there there's enough information where you can get food that's good

00:49:34.340 for you they just want to keep getting fat it's their fault jill you're being way too kind are

00:49:40.740 actively manipulating your message so much i haven't even gotten to half the that they do

00:49:45.380 so for example they have effectively lobbied to remove nutrition guidelines and warning labels

00:49:51.620 on food packaging because of harmful shame it's like it trans fats are bad for your health okay

00:50:00.100 it's a fact they have advocated for that the body positivity movement the fat activist movement

00:50:05.880 they're using messaging right like you said co-opting yes right so they should stop co-opting

00:50:12.140 our shit but they're not going to but yes that's what i'm saying so how do you i think you guys

00:50:16.440 should get pissed about it like i i get the things you're pissed at we are pissed about a lot of i

00:50:20.620 get it can you add this to the list add this this johnson we are pissed about a lot of things we

00:50:26.360 not pissed about your waistline i she's being too nice

00:50:34.440 it's like i can't even imagine operating in one of these circles i think i would kill myself

00:50:41.640 is this how men feel when they have to censor themselves 24 7. they're the primary you want to

00:50:46.440 indict someone it is on the list it is on the list for some people whose focus is body positivity

00:50:52.520 right we have different foci i you know i do civil rights stuff some people do fashion stuff

00:50:57.320 wedding industry health you know health and wellness eating disorders we have there are

00:51:01.400 folks who are thinking about the food industry there are folks who are nutritionists who are

00:51:05.960 you know like i can't without seeing the list of like the people that i the i remember the

00:51:09.800 washington post article some of those people are not people that i would associate with i understand

00:51:14.920 but they're literally many of them are certified in intuitive eating okay but they're happy sharp

00:51:20.760 okay but that's not health at every size intuitive eating is not a health of every size principle

00:51:25.960 intuitive eating is the biggest i've ever heard in my life yeah we're gonna intuitively eat too

00:51:31.080 much food my problem with the movement is that it's like oh but it's not it's not that part but

00:51:38.200 but it but it is that part it's you're saying our problem is that we conflict that all the things

00:51:42.840 get i'm not saying it's your problem i'm saying my i'm saying my issue is that because it's become

00:51:50.600 a patchwork quilt an amalgamation of movements and boys oh it's an activist it's a it's a it's

00:51:57.000 a political it's a it's an influencer it's a celebrity it's a it there's no accountability

00:52:03.160 for any of this there's no through line and it allows exploitation why aren't we so they can be

00:52:08.920 hurtful what the why isn't the entire public holding food companies accountable for food

00:52:15.160 company evil i think why is it the why is it you don't think so i mean they're they're reevaluating

00:52:22.440 the generally recognized as safe rule they just changed the food pyramid which guides

00:52:26.760 do you want to talk about that one it guides hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies

00:52:31.080 and now they're mandating is i'm saying that focused on the they're definitely focused on it

00:52:36.760 okay part of it okay i think there are a lot of people that are you do understand how how and why

00:52:42.280 they have significantly more resources than actual body positive activists right

00:52:47.240 saying that they don't have more resources i'm saying can you see this issue what do we do about

00:52:54.040 it um well do you think it's about i think it's a problem i mean i think there are a lot of

00:53:01.160 problems there oh my gosh did you see the way she's talking it's like they're like adults but

00:53:06.520 with like still kids this is why i'm not for every woman having kids a woman that fat cannot take

00:53:13.160 care of kids she can't take care of herself she's just going to pass on her obesity to children

00:53:17.320 you know i think one of the problems is the assumption that everything that has to do with

00:53:23.320 um with with food and its lack of health correlates with fatness because we are saying

00:53:28.680 body positivity again well no we are saying body positivity and body positivity includes all kinds

00:53:36.280 of ways of being in a body right not just body size it includes all of the things about disability

00:53:41.160 and skin color and hair texture and all of the things right body positivity but we really have

00:53:45.320 been coding that in this conversation to talk about body size right and and you can understand

00:53:51.080 okay i actually didn't think body positivity to be dead honest with you i've never interpreted

00:53:55.480 body positivity to be about skin color or gender ideology but some of the people who started body

00:54:03.720 positivity and practice it today and talk about the values that i don't think anybody sees it that

00:54:09.640 way it that is not a part of the movement i think the general presumption the general presumption

00:54:15.800 is that it must focus on weight and weight loss because that's a bigger narrative in the culture

00:54:19.960 but that is who we are seeing advocate we're not seeing a person who's black being like

00:54:25.960 i'm bozzy body positive because i'm black they're in they're generally in a different civil rights

00:54:29.960 movement so i think that discounts the black leadership in this movement right i'm not saying

00:54:34.840 that i'm saying i very rarely see okay people of color simply based on prejudice regarding their

00:54:43.960 skin color using body positivity to make their point i see them and like this is a movement i

00:54:50.920 see people you see people who have multiple okay oh my god i can't do this anymore oh i can't do

00:54:58.120 this anymore okay we're gonna do five more i'm gonna finish this lady's debate i think identities

00:55:05.960 that include their skin color their gender presentation their disability they are talking

00:55:11.400 about body positivity related to their body size and those other issues we had somebody else

00:55:17.400 i just i've never seen it in all the years like i i've seen active i mean which you started which

00:55:26.680 you started right or i'm sorry i'm sorry it's just it's just incredible how confidently idiots

00:55:32.200 lecture you that's how we feel the longest time i've let a woman lecture me was four hours

00:55:37.240 that i was able to speak and that you work for yes had to do with the gentleman that started

00:55:42.820 this organization because his wife label it however you would i don't know what word you

00:55:46.840 you guys feel comfortable with we've been using fat for 57 years so fat's okay to use

00:55:51.600 okay yes let's see okay you are but listen jillian you've positioned yourself you've

00:55:59.860 positioned yourself as be really really knowing this movement and really knowing where we're

00:56:03.600 showing up and it is really really common for activists and advocates to talk about using fat

00:56:09.840 as but you can't say overweight we just say fat right okay fine because over 25 body fat i'll go

00:56:18.860 with that was started by a gentleman whose wife was fat yes who was discriminated oh my god a sip

00:56:25.120 started this oh my god yes that's where your part began intuitive eating is that's not how i came

00:56:33.360 into it through body positivity right because that's how the movement start if you really want

00:56:38.400 that's how my organization started the movement started with body size black women and families

00:56:44.400 in the civil rights movement with with women with people at stonewall who were fat people

00:56:50.160 with that's how the what's the through line now what's the through line what do you mean

00:56:55.040 okay so so people at stonewall is it because they were gay or because they were gay and

00:56:59.360 as you guys say fat right it was because they were gay but there were fat people there and

00:57:06.160 those fat people talked about their fat bodies gay people are part of the body positivity movement

00:57:11.360 uh a huge part on the merits of just being gay guys no that's not gay and defending people's

00:57:19.520 body sovereignty people's body autonomy uh people's right to live freely in their body

00:57:24.640 what is we have different angles of discrimination the core started with regard to being

00:57:30.080 that am i right that is what he oh my god see this is this is why you can't argue with stupid

00:57:35.600 people i mean she can't even get them to stick to the topic they're too dumb to be talking to

00:57:42.400 her started your organization my organization okay healthy at every size the beginning is about

00:57:48.880 access for people right and help that every size principles talk about intersectionality and multi

00:57:54.640 multiply marginalized people all right i mean that's enough oh my god

00:58:08.160 oh my god that was so

00:58:13.520 all right let's go to twitter um and see some twitter before i close out the show

00:58:18.720 i can't i can't listen to another one i can't i'm sorry if you hate me i can't do it

00:58:26.960 all right like all right let's go to twitter um i did some retweets specifically for the show

00:58:32.560 let's start with caleb hammer caleb hammer is a youtuber um who gives people financial advice

00:58:41.680 and he's going viral um because he's telling people to spend less money and he's kind of

00:58:47.120 stating the obvious not entitled to go out to eat that might piss some people off right it's like

00:58:51.600 you're not entitled to that i would love you to i hope you can fit in the budget let's work together

00:58:55.720 let's get you more money let's get your budget under control but you're not entitled to go enjoy

00:59:00.860 nice sushi or a mcdonald's um you don't need to get the fancy fancy nice perfect whole foods and

00:59:07.540 get the off-brand for a little bit i off-branded in college on the cheap it's not great and it's

00:59:11.700 not the best for health either but it worked not entirely let's keep going the biggest red flags in

00:59:21.080 romantic relationships financial when each other don't know each other's financial situation

00:59:26.680 because there's no one who comes on this show that isn't at least in the position where they

00:59:30.440 should have that talk where they have a completely different worldview on goals spending desires where

00:59:36.060 they want to be as a couple it's like if you're not even aligned on that what are we doing get

00:59:40.240 aligned or get the out um and then the next one would be just like not knowing where the other

00:59:44.100 one's spending is going and immediately throwing accusations to the other person's way like you're

00:59:48.300 spending on this we're spending on this it's like why are we looking at it like this are we just

00:59:51.860 trying to come together and get better together and hold each other accountable instead of just

00:59:54.840 trying to throw each damn uh we reacted to that yesterday um clavicular i guess had to block his

01:00:02.960 mom saving clavicular sees that women are crazy yeah i blocked my mom because

01:00:10.080 you kept saying how fucked up of a person i was and i feel like that and i wasn't even

01:00:16.880 doing anything i wasn't even i was already just drinking

01:00:23.200 she's like you're a loser so i didn't even block i literally just muted the text on whatsapp

01:00:28.960 well

01:00:30.960 let's see what else we got

01:00:37.520 um

01:00:41.120 Liam Nelson is in a new relationship

01:00:43.660 let's see this

01:00:44.640 breaking news 73 year old

01:00:47.720 Liam Neeson is getting married again

01:00:49.480 17 years after his

01:00:51.440 ex-wife Natasha Richardson passed

01:00:53.520 away he seems to find his love again

01:00:55.520 this time the bird may be the

01:00:57.580 ex he never forgot

01:00:58.660 Do you remember his four wild and messy relationships?

01:01:02.200 Let's start with Helen Mirren.

01:01:03.780 They met in 1980 on Excalibur.

01:01:06.700 Neeson was smitten, lived together five years, but it didn't work out.

01:01:10.660 They stayed cool after the split.

01:01:12.640 Mirren even said she still deeply loves him.

01:01:15.760 Next, Julia Roberts.

01:01:17.840 In 1988, 19-year-old Roberts dated Neeson.

01:01:21.780 It lasted about two years.

01:01:23.640 The career gap pushed them apart.

01:01:25.960 They split in 1990.

01:01:27.500 then Brooke Shields three months into dating Neeson proposed she said no Shields felt he'd

01:01:34.640 fall for his next co-star and she was right the relationship fizzled finally Natasha Richardson

01:01:40.400 they met in 1993 doing Anna Christie Richardson was married but the chemistry was intense

01:01:46.800 she left her husband and they married in 1994 tragedy struck in 2009 Richardson fell while

01:01:53.500 skiing and hit her head at 45 neeson still visits her grave and talks to her so which woman do you

01:01:59.980 think is his true love breaking oh i thought they were gonna what the heck okay whatever um

01:02:11.820 oh there's a new montoya i don't know if you remember temptation island

01:02:23.340 but basically um they put their significant other on an island with hot people

01:02:28.940 and see if they fall into temptation and then it goes as badly as you think

01:02:34.140 uh oh he's gotta watch his girl get cracked

01:02:52.540 Where are you going?

01:02:54.540 Yeah!

01:02:56.540 Yeah!

01:02:58.540 Gilbert!

01:03:00.540 Gilbert!

01:03:02.540 Gilbert!

01:03:04.540 Gilbert!

01:03:06.540 Gilbert!

01:03:08.540 Gilbert!

01:03:10.540 Gilbert!

01:03:12.540 You!

01:03:14.540 What's up?

01:03:16.540 Get him!

01:03:18.540 You're going to get him!

01:03:20.540 And you.

01:03:28.540 Where is the playa?

01:03:30.540 Where is the playa?

01:03:32.540 How are you?

01:03:34.540 I'm going to go.

01:03:36.540 Where is the place?

01:03:38.540 What I've done, what I've done.

01:03:40.540 What I've done, what I've done.

01:03:42.540 Sit down, Juanpi, please.

01:03:44.540 This is the last time.

01:03:46.540 There he is.

01:03:50.540 Cláudia!

01:03:54.540 Cláudia!

01:03:56.540 Cláudia!

01:03:58.540 Ui, ui, ui, tu, tu, tu, passant coses, eh?

01:04:00.540 Cláudia!

01:04:02.540 No!

01:04:04.540 Cláudia!

01:04:06.540 Sueltame, sueltame!

01:04:08.540 Cláudia!

01:04:12.540 Que cojones!

01:04:14.540 Primera hoguera!

01:04:16.540 Primera hoguera!

01:04:18.540 yeah he's a giga chad you got cooked i don't know why you'd put her on an island with giga chads

01:04:35.900 do you know what i mean like why would you you're gonna put your on an island with giga chads that's

01:04:40.460 gonna add exactly how you think it would add that's like sending your back in the

01:04:44.460 day if you're a peasant you're like yeah i'll send her to the king you're like

01:04:48.940 yeah i mean then she gets cracked by the king you know

01:04:59.980 yeah you caught your ex cheating you know i would talk about cheating stories but here's the the

01:05:05.180 problem when you tell stories of you getting cheated on as a woman it actually makes you

01:05:09.340 look worse because you picked him so as far as i'm concerned all my exes were saints

01:05:14.460 they were all Saints they were all the perfect angels ah you know what I mean

01:05:44.460 yeah she's gonna get cracks that night um yeah because the more like you argue and

01:06:10.220 bag now it's like now he's just confirmed the decision you know now it's like yeah you've

01:06:17.480 confirmed that she made the right choice anyways guys um that's all I got today I'm a little sick

01:06:23.360 so I'm kind of gonna end early um but

01:06:29.960 do i understand spanish no i might take it someday

01:06:36.280 that's just so much work oh my god um anyways guys and let me know what you think in the

01:06:43.940 comments if you could like the video and subscribe to the channel i really appreciate

01:06:47.300 you guys being here um and i will see you next time

Pearl - March 20, 2026

Jillean Michaels Vs. Fat Women

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