Pearl - May 10, 2026


Laura Southern Is Holier Than Thou

Topics
polyamory and honesty
Mentioned
Latina
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Episode Stats


Length

8 minutes

Words per minute

190.37

Word count

1,552

Sentence count

50

Harmful content

Misogyny

4

sentences flagged

Toxicity

12

sentences flagged

Hate speech

6

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Summary

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Join us as we discuss polyamory, cheating on your wife, and being a hypocrite in the public eye. We also talk about why it s better to be honest about your failures than to pretend to be a good person.

Transcript

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00:00:00 Who's watching the child? Why are you doing drugs with Destiny instead of watching your kid?
00:00:05 You could just build your brand on like politics, not yeah, I'm an ape. Go you guys. That's a simp. 0.97
00:00:12 No offense, but it's just like, I'm not that high. I would say to that is the, I would, and I said
00:00:20 this earlier, I would rather be at least certainly after I had been in this sphere that I felt was so
00:00:25 dishonest with the public about who they were, including myself. It was very refreshing.
00:00:30 to be at a table with someone who is like, yes, I am polyamorous. Yes, I do drugs. Yes, I partake
00:00:39 in all of this, quote unquote, degenerate behavior, than to be at a table with a bunch
00:00:43 of people doing the exact same thing, but pretending publicly to be saints. Because at
00:00:49 least I can't deconstruct the world that I was a part of without honesty. So I couldn't deconstruct
00:00:56 it with the people because everyone was lying to themselves at least i have a lot more respect for
00:01:01 people who can sit there and say this is who i am even if the public hate it yeah this is what i'm
00:01:07 gay i'm a bisexual polyamorous guy that's it i'll get on all the time by the internet for it but
00:01:13 that's just who i am rather than people who are exactly the same conduct themselves the same way
00:01:18 but it's actually more dangerous to be friends with people in the right-wing media who have all
00:01:23 these proclivities but don't tell them publicly because as soon as you find out about it you're
00:01:27 now a threat and they have to kind of destroy you and destroy your life whereas if people have their
00:01:32 cards on the table and they say this is who i am it's a lot safer to have a friendship with them
00:01:36 and you can just talk honestly about your failures and that's what i that's what i needed at that time
00:01:40 in my life i needed someone i could talk honestly about my failures and the struggles i was having
00:01:44 i didn't believe in the trad life or marriage anymore after my husband left you know um i see
00:01:49 all the rumors online Lauren cheated on her husband with destiny that didn't yeah okay why
00:01:53 did he leave again I'm just tired of this narrative that you know and the world does
00:01:59 not do us a service by telling us we're always the victims right I can think of a situation
00:02:04 where I did not get I did not get what I wanted out of a relationship right and when I was young
00:02:11 you know it's like oh he used you this blah blah blah blah blah but when you really like
00:02:18 go back and think about things you're just like oh no I did x y and z I look I'm not telling you
00:02:25 guys all my business but you guys you guys get the idea it's like you can't just look and say
00:02:29 you were some innocent victim in this and oh the only thing I did wrong was I picked wrong it's
00:02:35 like okay you were perfect in this what did you do that was wrong so happen um I didn't even meet
00:02:42 him until after my marriage had ended but I we sat and I remember being completely just how how
00:02:49 can I believe in the ideals of conservatism without inherently believing that my life is a failure
00:02:55 like I'm a single mother now how can I how can I not hate myself and still believe in the tried
00:03:00 life because no just say you're a loser that's it just say I'm a loser now don't cope don't try to 0.99
00:03:06 make us think you're not a loser don't pretend you're important you're just a loser it's all 1.00
00:03:10 I'm a loser too. 1.00
00:03:11 I'm a loser. 0.99
00:03:12 I failed at it. 0.83
00:03:14 And the idea that maybe I needed to deconstruct some of that was profoundly healing in some
00:03:19 ways for me.
00:03:20 But I definitely, like I certainly concluded that I couldn't be polyamorous, that that
00:03:26 was not the lifestyle that I could pursue.
00:03:28 But sitting there and doing drugs with destiny and talking about how my marriage had fallen
00:03:33 apart was profoundly more.
00:03:35 And you ever think about like who's watching this lady's kid?
00:03:39 Who's watching the child? 0.88
00:03:40 why are you doing drugs with destiny instead of watching your kid honest than sitting with a bunch
00:03:46 of people who are cheating on their wives and telling the internet you need to be trad and
00:03:50 christ is king that was a lot better of a place for me to be not a healthy place to be um i do
00:03:57 need structure but i feel more comfortable with people who can honestly talk about their failures
00:04:01 you know on this idea of people who are cheating on their wives and telling the internet you know
00:04:07 You need to be proud in Christ as king.
00:04:10 There are two interesting pieces of that, I think.
00:04:12 One of them is, I think that for the public man,
00:04:15 it's better to say virtuous things than to do virtuous things.
00:04:22 Whereas for the private man, it's better to do virtuous things
00:04:24 than to say virtuous things.
00:04:26 Neither is good.
00:04:27 I'm not suggesting that a public man living a hypocritical life
00:04:32 is itself virtuous.
00:04:33 It's certainly not.
00:04:34 But it seems obvious to me that if your husband says, I'll be faithful and then cheats, what
00:04:40 he says has no value.
00:04:42 If your pastor says, be faithful, but then cheats, well, men fail, men fall to temptation.
00:04:50 Why do we, I hate that.
00:04:51 This is why the conservatives, it's like men fall.
00:04:54 You didn't fall to temptation. 0.99
00:04:56 You raw dogged that hot young Latina that was eyeing you down while your white wife 1.00
00:05:03 was being a bitch. 1.00
00:05:04 or vice versa right your latino wife got fat and though you know the little blonde girl in church 1.00
00:05:09 was giving you googly eyes you didn't fall i mean like there's so many decisions you have to make 1.00
00:05:14 in order to have sex with someone it was a choice right you should drive over there you got to get 0.96
00:05:19 naked you got like you know you gotta you gotta thrust a bunch of times like there's so much 0.98
00:05:26 it's not just falling like you did not just fall it's just incredible but that's still better than
00:05:32 a pastor who says cheat like a pastor who says a perfectly christian thing to do is to cheat it
00:05:36 okay so there's courage in talking about your sins publicly there's some sins guys i've done
00:05:43 i don't really want to talk about publicly you know what i mean and because i'm not as courageous
00:05:47 but there's something about a guy who just doesn't give an f and um you know um like it does take a
00:05:54 level of courage for tate to be like yes i cheat on all the women i'm with yes you know what you're
00:06:00 saying. So there's a kind of, there's a kind of call to hypocrisy that I don't think is
00:06:06 necessarily wrong in public life. That said, there's a difference between, there's a difference
00:06:13 between failing in the face of temptation and embracing sin while preaching virtue. And that
00:06:24 is now something different. We're not talking about, I have a lot of grace for people who make
00:06:29 mistakes on account of all the mistakes that I make. You know, it's easy to pick on you for
00:06:33 hanging out with Milo. I hired Candace. So like, you know, nobody's batting a thousand here or 0.92
00:06:39 anything. But I think that the movement as a whole, conservatism as a whole, particularly
00:06:46 today, particularly since it moved online, is so graceless. I think that a fundamental flaw
00:06:54 in even the message of conservatism, not only how we actually behave, but almost the message
00:06:59 itself is that we uphold ideals and that's important especially because the left has been
00:07:06 tearing down ideals for our entire life like they've they've been trying to deconstruct the
00:07:10 ideals themselves and so we've gotten so used to upholding the ideals that we almost leave no room
00:07:15 for anyone who's fallen short of the ideals to actually participate anymore you know when we
00:07:20 say things like all you have to do to be successful in america's study after study demonstrates it
00:07:25 You know, graduate high school, get married before you have children, don't do drugs.
00:07:30 Like, you do these three things, you're going to make it in America.
00:07:34 And that's true.
00:07:35 And it's important to say that that's true because you're giving people actual important
00:07:38 tools with which to govern their lives.
00:07:41 The problem is most people fall short of one, two, or three of those at some point.
00:07:45 And now what?
00:07:47 And conservatism does a very bad job of saying now what?
00:07:50 I would say that it's a it is it is probably an indictment of the conservative movement that you spent so much time in it and knew it so intimately that when you like there's no you know there's no scolding her for the disloyalty of getting to know all these people and then spreading their secrets.