Pearl - Lila Rose Joins Pearl Daily

00:00:00.000 No, because men are useless.

00:00:04.260 This headline from The Hill, it caught my eye.

00:00:07.060 Most young men are single.

00:00:08.720 Most young women are not.

00:00:10.060 Young men have fallen faster than any demographic in America over the last 40 years.

00:00:14.760 It's a different world now.

00:00:15.800 We don't need men the way that they used to.

00:00:17.800 Nobody needs men.

00:00:19.040 The future is female.

00:00:22.080 Men and women are drifting further apart, and society is crumbling because of it.

00:00:28.740 A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.

00:00:31.900 You've kind of got the trad con versus red pill thing.

00:00:34.580 This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.

00:00:38.140 You need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.

00:00:42.240 Marriage is a bond and it's a sacred bond.

00:00:44.860 It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.

00:00:47.880 Now many of the red pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married.

00:00:52.760 Hannah Pearl Davis or just pearly things.

00:00:56.160 One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.

00:01:00.160 She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.

00:01:03.020 Because if me and you were in a business contract, you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.

00:01:08.160 Gee, what could go wrong there?

00:01:10.320 74% or something of divorces are initiated by women.

00:01:13.900 Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children.

00:01:16.800 Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws.

00:01:19.480 I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.

00:01:24.320 Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse.

00:01:27.660 You need no evidence.

00:01:28.800 When you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for.

00:01:32.500 And you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.

00:01:35.820 I interviewed them on the other side.

00:01:38.360 I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.

00:01:40.660 How much did you spend trying to get him back?

00:01:42.800 The legal fees alone was about $200,000.

00:01:45.160 Before you know it, you're homeless.

00:01:46.600 You're literally just thrown out onto the street.

00:01:48.500 We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women.

00:01:50.940 Wives are taught to leave their husbands.

00:01:52.620 and then daughters grow up without their fathers.

00:01:55.220 Family is the foundation of society.

00:01:56.940 Every problem in society comes from single mother homes.

00:02:00.100 A lot of women will just chase this negative rabbit hole of happiness, endless happiness.

00:02:04.400 Feminism's biggest failure is it lies to women.

00:02:06.380 We tell women to date as many guys as possible.

00:02:08.200 We tell them to put off family into marriage.

00:02:09.980 You are allowed to leave your perfect husband.

00:02:12.720 You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend.

00:02:17.120 Oh, freeze your eggs, have an abortion.

00:02:18.940 What? You're evil.

00:02:20.000 I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.

00:02:24.080 Like if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic,

00:02:28.180 naturally the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.

00:02:30.900 It's self-sabotage.

00:02:31.820 And that's the thing, like women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy.

00:02:35.620 This is not about happiness.

00:02:37.380 The most important thing is the children.

00:02:39.680 And the problem is we have a modern society where it's me, me, me, my feelings,

00:02:44.180 leave when I feel like it instead of doing what's best for the kids.

00:02:48.240 This myth that we live in an age of male privilege, where's my male privilege?

00:02:52.000 They think, well, men have all the rights.

00:02:53.540 They have all the power.

00:02:54.800 Privileged patriarchal system that we have.

00:02:57.100 Why doesn't our society care about men's rights?

00:02:59.700 I have no friends, no wife, and no social life.

00:03:02.960 Men are alone in this situation.

00:03:04.880 Men are homeless.

00:03:05.840 Men are thinking about eating guns.

00:03:07.580 I've seen so many men on the brink of suicide, and they didn't do anything wrong.

00:03:11.920 How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?

00:03:17.480 The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.

00:03:21.320 Women are helplessly dependent upon men.

00:03:24.000 The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose to alcohol,

00:03:27.960 three times higher among men than among women.

00:03:31.060 Culture is telling men, you are no good.

00:03:32.900 You've got to get your act together.

00:03:34.120 I think men have failed themselves.

00:03:35.740 What kind of a man are you?

00:03:36.960 What kind of a woman are you going to attract?

00:03:38.940 If men are in trouble, so are women.

00:03:41.380 everybody knows this is a huge problem but nobody wants to admit it every single woman at the table

00:03:46.740 said they wanted a man 500k 500k 300k 200k am i crazy everything is really set up against you

00:03:52.100 to fail as a man if men make less than women women don't want to marry them so you know who

00:03:57.140 wants more economically and emotionally viable men women i don't want to be an independent woman

00:04:03.580 anymore i don't want to be a strong independent woman i'm over it when is it going to be my turn

00:04:08.800 Where are we meeting the men that don't stop?

00:04:10.640 I can't keep having these same conversations.

00:04:13.440 The only simp here is you, Pearl. You simp for men.

00:04:15.300 No, I think you simp for women.

00:04:16.720 She's a provocateur. She says stupid stuff.

00:04:18.880 But Pearl is right about this.

00:04:20.140 It's already happening. It's just not out in the open yet.

00:04:22.740 Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairytale ending

00:04:25.360 because men don't want a wife and women can't find a husband.

00:04:28.400 The future, if everybody follows your path, is there is no future.

00:04:32.660 We go into population decline and our economy goes into decline.

00:04:36.740 Civilization will crumble.

00:04:38.040 The American story does not end well. This is an existential crisis failing young men.

00:05:08.040 The past year and a half, I've been working on a documentary on divorce, but unfortunately,

00:05:12.120 women do not want this message to get out.

00:05:14.660 So what they have done is they have demonetized me, kicked me off of TikTok eight times.

00:05:19.480 I've gone through three Instagram and I recently got re-monetized on YouTube, but this did

00:05:25.260 set us back a little bit.

00:05:26.460 So we are raising money.

00:05:28.180 Our goal is to get to $100,000 in order to finish the documentary.

00:05:31.760 That's bare minimum.

00:05:33.000 The price is set to a million.

00:05:34.660 really that's just um if we can get a netflix grade one but we can do it with 100k we're at

00:05:40.500 25k so thank you all for the donations the second way you can support the channel is to join our

00:05:45.920 invite only members community um this is where i bring on the smart intelligent famous and non-famous

00:05:51.560 men to teach you guys how to improve your love lives how to make it on youtube how to make more

00:05:56.360 money basically any kind of self-improvement that you want to do okay um so next i want can you guys

00:06:05.060 flash me the zoom first don't put her on quite yet because i just want to make sure it's working

00:06:10.060 before i bring her on and then i can see it okay on the tv if not i need to press a button

00:06:15.200 can you see me i can't one second hi lila one second hi i'm gonna fix one thing and then i'll

00:06:23.420 be back okay it's just me in here so i gotta hold on all good

00:06:53.420 I don't know what it is guys it was working earlier but it's okay I can just look in the

00:07:23.280 camera. All right. How are you, Lila? I'm good, Pearl. How are you? I'm good. So I wanted to

00:07:31.300 start. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, no problem. I was going to give you your intro. Is that all

00:07:36.560 right? Oh, yeah. Go for it. Okay. So Lila Rose, guys, president of Live Action, a pro-life

00:07:43.080 nonprofit. She's got almost 300,000 subscribers and runs a pro-life YouTube channel. Did I miss

00:07:49.200 anything, Lila? Thank you. That sounds good. Thanks, Pearl. Okay, cool. So thanks for coming

00:07:56.360 on. I know we went back and forth a little bit on Twitter, but I do enjoy having conversations

00:08:01.440 with people that we have different ideas on. So I do appreciate you coming on the show.

00:08:08.080 I appreciate that. And I thank you for being willing to dialogue with me and grateful for

00:08:12.480 that and thanks for having me on. Cool. So I guess I wanted to flesh out a little bit of your ideas

00:08:19.740 on different topics that may maybe have different points of view on. So I wanted to start with

00:08:25.560 abortion. So I wanted to see what your stance is on abortion. Sure. Well, abortion, and we'll

00:08:33.680 define it quickly because there's sometimes a media confusion that they try to throw confusion

00:08:38.080 into the topic, but abortion is the direct intentional killing of a baby. It's always wrong.

00:08:43.360 And that's because it's always wrong to kill an innocent human being and a child in the womb is

00:08:47.960 an innocent human being. So this is the greatest human rights issue that we're facing, I believe,

00:08:52.240 as a country. There's 3000 babies killed every single day by abortion. It's devastating our

00:08:58.580 entire social fabric. There's a million babies killed every single year. And this has been a

00:09:04.300 mission for me since you know teen years basically since I was a kid thankfully our movement has

00:09:09.500 grown but we have a ton of work to do because there's a lot of people who are blind on this

00:09:13.820 issue and there's a lot a lot of laws that we need to change to protect children and to create a

00:09:17.820 culture of life so what laws would you want to change well I think first off there should be

00:09:24.400 complete abortion bans so there needs to be complete abolition of abortion and complete

00:09:29.680 legal protection for the pre-born child. That's the most important law. And then I think there's

00:09:34.940 also public policies we could do to make America a friendlier place for families, more tax credits

00:09:40.380 and cash, quite frankly, cash money given directly to families who have children so that it's easier

00:09:46.480 to raise families. So there's a lot of pro-life positive public policy. But the biggest thing is

00:09:50.840 we need to protect babies in the womb from abortion. Okay. So when it comes to enforcing

00:09:55.820 that. Do you think that women should be put in jail who have abortions? I think that, yeah,

00:10:01.780 if somebody is intentionally, willfully, with full knowledge, pursuing the crime of killing the baby,

00:10:07.440 whether that's a woman or she's someone else outside of her, it's a man who's pushing that

00:10:12.040 on her, another woman, the abortionist obviously committing the act, there should be criminal

00:10:15.760 penalties for that. Okay. And so we would agree then life in prison, similar to like aborting

00:10:21.720 an adult, we would agree. I mean, I think it's going to depend on the killing an adult by that.

00:10:26.900 Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, that's okay. I think it depends. I mean, every, every state has different

00:10:31.220 kinds of homicide laws and there's different penalties depending on different circumstances,

00:10:35.420 different degrees of murder. So I think it'll depend. I mean, right now, for example, if you

00:10:40.100 commit infanticide, you kill a newborn baby, right? And you do it with full intent and full knowledge.

00:10:45.360 There wasn't some sort of mental health issue, right? You could get a very significant prison

00:10:50.440 sentence. And I think we need to have justice like that to protect life and to make sure we're

00:10:55.480 valuing life in our laws. So I think it's going to depend case by case, but overall, yes, of course,

00:10:59.720 we should have legal protections. And that would include penalties for those that willfully,

00:11:04.480 intentionally, with full knowledge, there's not some like mental health issue or coercion issue

00:11:07.720 going on that I think that is an important part of our legal system and should be a part of our

00:11:12.320 legal system. What is a coercion issue? Well, so a lot of abortions, unfortunately,

00:11:18.500 there's a coercive coercive aspect where and and this is reporting that we've done at live action

00:11:23.380 now for over a decade where especially if there's a situation of sexual abuse or uh you know an

00:11:29.540 abusive relationship generally speaking sometimes there's going to be a partner a man involved

00:11:34.420 usually not a husband as a boyfriend who is pushing for that abortion and so if there's you

00:11:39.460 know a woman who's basically being coerced into having that abortion she's being threatened that

00:11:44.420 you know i'm going to kill you if you don't do this um she's being you know driven to the abortion

00:11:48.580 clinic kicking and screaming things like that then of course when you're looking at abortion

00:11:53.460 you know pro-life laws there should be penalties for that for coercing someone into having an

00:11:58.340 abortion and and those different studies that have been done it's about up to a third of women

00:12:03.060 report that they felt coerced into having their abortion and there's a lot of cases of this you

00:12:07.860 know boyfriends throwing abortion drugs into the girlfriend's drink saying she has to have the

00:12:12.260 abortion she you know has an abortion because her the pills were put in her drink those sorts

00:12:17.460 of really tragic situations and that that is an element of abortion right but there's no law that

00:12:23.060 a man could put a gun to a woman's head and make her get an abortion it's a hundred percent her

00:12:28.180 choice at the end of the day outside of like throwing something in her drink right which is

00:12:32.900 the equivalent of like roofie you know but outside of that well yeah i mean there's not a law saying

00:12:39.780 you're saying there's not a law that says the man gets to decide that's true like in today's right

00:12:43.940 like today you know just to be clear i mean to on the flip side separate the coercion can go the

00:12:49.740 other direction right so the man could be coercing the woman to have the abortion the woman could be

00:12:54.860 coercing the man that i'm going to have this abortion whether you like it or not and that

00:12:58.800 also tragically happens horribly men have no rights when it comes to protecting their baby

00:13:04.360 so you can be a man today you know your baby your the girlfriend's pregnant with your child you have

00:13:09.300 no rights to protect that child she goes and have an abortion you don't you don't even have to give

00:13:12.900 have knowledge of it that also tragically happens it's horrific and I I totally agree but I think

00:13:18.260 where I would have a difference of opinion is I think that's just a get out of jail free card that

00:13:22.640 women use when they don't want to take accountability for the choice that they made

00:13:26.540 it's really easy what is a get out of what what is a get out of jail free card what do you see

00:13:31.900 what are you talking about specifically what I've noticed with traditional conservatives and was

00:13:36.580 whenever women do something terrible, they have a tendency to blame the men when they can.

00:13:44.480 And so I think it's bullshit that women can say, oh, I was coerced into something

00:13:49.640 when women have every right under the law. Like there's no way a man can put a gun to a woman's

00:13:55.800 head without severe consequences in making or getting an abortion. So I see what you're saying.

00:14:02.180 Yeah, I think I don't. Well, I think we hold on. I think we agree that, of course, it should be illegal and it is largely speaking to physically harm someone, you know, outside of the womb.

00:14:12.920 Anyway, it's not a baby in the womb. They're they're they're up for being killed, which is horrific. Right.

00:14:16.440 But yeah, I mean, technically, if a woman is physically dragged to an abortion clinic or threatened, she could probably have a legal case against him and it would be great if she could pursue that.

00:14:26.360 they don't always get pursued. So that's a problem. But the reality is abortion involves

00:14:30.840 coercion often on one or the other side. And that's another element of just us allowing the

00:14:35.780 killing of babies in this country. And that anybody has a consent to kill the baby is wrong.

00:14:41.880 No one should have that right to kill. There's no right to kill. And nobody should be pressuring

00:14:46.040 anybody into an abortion. So I think we're aligned on that. No, I don't. I hope we're aligned on that.

00:14:50.320 I mean, do you agree? I'm just curious if you agree with that. Yeah. And I'll get into it,

00:14:53.440 but I don't think like necessarily, right. Because, okay. So if I wanted to get an abortion,

00:14:59.400 I personally, I would never, right. I don't believe in it. Yeah. Personally wouldn't, but

00:15:04.020 let's say tomorrow I changed my mind and I want one. Um, what can my, my boyfriend, can he legally

00:15:13.040 stop me? No. And that's part of the, that's part of the horror of this, right? Right. We just did

00:15:19.440 But the other way around, like if he wanted me to get one and I wanted to have the kid, he he can't do anything.

00:15:28.260 Well, unfortunately, in many cases, there are coercive situations where there's abuse and they do try to do something.

00:15:34.120 So that that does happen. It's you could say it's technically illegal.

00:15:38.580 Like she could call the cops and say, get him out of here.

00:15:41.460 But in a lot of domestic abuse situations, you know, even calling the cops doesn't always work for multiple reasons.

00:15:47.220 there's a lot of complexity there so it's just another sad dark part of our culture today

00:15:51.520 unfortunately but how like how what how is calling the cops not a solution well I mean I don't know

00:16:00.540 how much you yeah go ahead I don't know how much you've kind of looked in so live action news

00:16:03.820 reports in some of these cases right and so I don't know how much you might look into it but

00:16:07.840 in in cases where there's sort of this um there could be overt pressure which would be you know

00:16:13.480 I want to kill you if you don't have this abortion, right? Or there's a sexual abuse

00:16:17.180 victim, like a young girl, which we've documented this in multiple cases. There's actually court

00:16:22.640 cases of like 12 and 13 year old girls who their stepfather or their soccer coach got them pregnant,

00:16:29.560 drove them to the abortion clinic to get the abortion. You know, that was part of continuing

00:16:33.900 the cycle of abuse. Underage is a different conversation, but I'm talking about of age.

00:16:39.340 So like 18 plus. I'm not sure, I'm not sure where you're going with this or what you're

00:16:43.360 trying to, uh, you know, what you're trying to, how we might just, do you think we disagree on

00:16:48.040 something I've said or what do you disagree on? I'm just curious. I disagree with saying that a

00:16:52.540 woman can be coerced into getting an abortion. I disagree. Okay. Because the women have the

00:16:57.300 police on their side and we have, um, all of the laws are on our side. So there's nothing that a

00:17:03.040 man can, like, he can tell you to go get one, but you can say no F you and not. So I would encourage

00:17:08.980 every woman in a city. I hear what you're saying, Carl. And I think, I do think the kind of potential

00:17:14.200 language of empowerment you're using of like, ladies, like if you're feeling pressure, like

00:17:18.580 bucket, like, forget it. Like this guy has no power of you. You stand up and fight for the life

00:17:22.620 of your baby. That is one of the prevailing messages of live action for women, whether it's

00:17:27.880 a boyfriend, whether it's their parents, whether it's the doubts in the back of their mind that

00:17:32.280 are thinking, oh, I need this abortion. Otherwise my life is over, whatever it is. No, don't listen

00:17:37.020 to that voice. Don't lift us into that pressure. You have the power to choose life. You have the

00:17:41.700 power to fight for your baby. So yeah, I agree with you that that is, that should be the ultimate

00:17:45.520 message to women. We should fight for our babies and love them. And we have the ability to do that.

00:17:50.840 We have the, we have the ability to do that. Now any woman can do that. Yeah. I think where we

00:17:54.560 disagree is I watch what women do, not what they say. And so just because a woman says she was

00:18:00.700 feeling a certain way, that doesn't mean she's telling the truth. It's like anyone can feel.

00:18:06.260 mean, that's certainly possible for some women. Yes. A lot of women. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it depends

00:18:12.400 on, on, on the women you talk to, but yeah, there's going to be some women who, you know,

00:18:16.260 may feel a certain way and not act by their feelings or, you know, certainly people do,

00:18:21.400 can blame other people for their actions. I think that can happen. So I know you, I know that,

00:18:25.860 you know, from what I know of your content, I know you say, you know, you have a lot of

00:18:28.620 broad sweeping statements about, you know, men at large or women at large and, you know, women

00:18:33.680 kind of are, I don't know. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but, um, and certainly there

00:18:37.760 are bad, bad actors out there doing bad things. So I'm not going to act like there aren't. Okay.

00:18:43.920 Um, so the next question I have is what is your timeline on when you think abortion will be banned?

00:18:52.800 So I, my, my work, our work on this, uh, in this fight, I believe it will be within our lifetime

00:18:59.520 for sure. I think that even under this current administration, you know, we were very disappointed

00:19:06.040 that, you know, there's some progress being made, but the Republican Party right now has made a lot

00:19:10.760 of compromises on this. So we have to work to reestablish protection of life in the Republican

00:19:15.340 Party and obviously convince the Democrat Party to fight for life. That's a big fight right there

00:19:19.760 because most Democrats are pro-abortion. But I do think that there are, you know, everyday little

00:19:25.440 shifts happening. You know, people, when they learn about abortion, when they learn about the

00:19:29.300 evil of it, there is a lot of conversions that are happening. So that's the focus of live actions

00:19:33.940 work primarily more than public policy, even as changing hearts and minds. And it's a, it's a

00:19:38.700 difficult task, of course, Pearl, because I mean, as I'm sure you've seen, there's a lot of toxicity

00:19:43.220 in our culture today. There's a lot of lies people, you know, post-sexual revolution. I think

00:19:48.320 people are just very damaged. And so we've come to accept abortion as this normal thing. And we've

00:19:54.320 also come to accept, you know, sex outside of marriage and sex outside of a loving lifelong

00:19:58.920 commitment as normal. Like, oh yeah, of course people hook up. Of course that's normal. That's

00:20:02.780 sort of a prevailing societal attitude today. And that's what leads to abortion, right? Because

00:20:07.620 people think, oh, I'm going to have sex without consequences. I can do what I want. And then of

00:20:12.140 course, you know, sex can lead to new life, even with contraception. And that's what happens again

00:20:17.320 and again. And that's why we have 3000 babies killed every day. That is the backup contraception

00:20:21.740 say abortion. Yeah. So that's, you know, this is the kind of the larger societal issue. And so

00:20:26.220 anyways, back to your question of, are we going to ban abortion? I believe we will. It is, it is

00:20:30.200 going to happen, but there's a lot of work we need to do to change hearts and minds and to change

00:20:34.580 really how we operate as a society where we, instead of looking at sex as cheap, the hookup

00:20:41.680 culture as the way to go, we celebrate marriage and say, no, marriage is, is a good thing. And

00:20:48.360 sex belongs within marriage and children are gifts, they're blessings. Would you agree it's

00:20:54.340 a losing cause? That when women have aborted an eighth of the world population, an eighth,

00:21:03.000 like one out of eight people, like the most dangerous place you can be is in your mother's

00:21:07.240 womb. Yes. It's horrific. Horrible. So like, wouldn't you say, I agree. Like, wouldn't you

00:21:13.760 say it's a losing cause? No, I don't think it's a losing cause at all. And I see people change on

00:21:19.340 this issue. I see a former abortionist become passionately pro-life and start crusading for

00:21:24.400 pro-life laws. I see women who've had abortions. They do it when it's convenient. See, that's the,

00:21:30.260 I disagree with that. I don't think it's convenient for them. No, I've seen, I've seen the one lady

00:21:36.820 that were like, and this is just what I see tend to happen. And I think it really detracts,

00:21:44.100 you might have good intentions, right? But I think it often detracts from the message

00:21:48.460 is, you know, it's very convenient to say after you've aborted, like, I think there's one woman,

00:21:54.180 she aborted two kids and then became like a speaker. And I'm just thinking it's very convenient

00:21:59.180 that now that you can make money as a pro-life speaker, that you're conveniently now you're

00:22:05.320 pro-life. And I just see that pattern where a lot of people, it's very convenient when they choose

00:22:11.220 to be pro-life. It could be a true change of heart. It's possible, but yeah, go ahead.

00:22:17.240 Yeah, I totally disagree. I think today it actually is inconvenient more than convenient

00:22:21.820 to be pro-life because there's so much societal infrastructure and pressure to actually be pro-abortion.

00:22:29.320 So I think it's actually, it's not like, oh, being pro-life, you know, we're working on making pro-life

00:22:33.780 mainstream. I think we've made actually a lot of progress, Pearl, which I'm proud of. There's a

00:22:36.800 lot more work to do. You know, 3000 babies dying every day is an emergency of the greatest level.

00:22:42.780 It's over the counter now. Like, I don't know if there's been like in my lifetime, I would say

00:22:48.320 in the past 10 years, it's become easy. I mean, I know there was Roe versus Wade. I'm sure you're

00:22:54.180 going to say that. But even so, I mean, I've been to some of these feminist like conventions. They

00:23:01.260 they just, they ship the abortion stuff in the mail. You can get plan B over the counter. Like

00:23:06.500 if you think plan B is abortion, I don't really see any progress at all. Well, and if you're

00:23:12.780 speaking about the abortion pill, that is now over half of abortions and that can be shipped by mail

00:23:17.300 because we don't have regulations and the pill is even on the market. I mean, the fact that the

00:23:21.820 abortion pill is on the market that happened under Clinton in the 1990s and then under Biden,

00:23:26.820 they took off all the regulations and now you can literally order an abortion pill in the mail.

00:23:30.020 yeah that's horrific and that's only going to you know that leads to the normalization of oh it's

00:23:34.900 just a pill you know it's not just a pill by the way it's one out of every one out of every 24

00:23:39.480 yeah one out of every 24 women who take the abortion pill end up in the emergency room one

00:23:44.120 out of every 10 of them have serious complications and 100 of those babies virtually are being

00:23:49.240 murdered right so it's a it's a huge issue but I don't think it's convenient just just back to what

00:23:54.800 you're saying originally you know I don't think it's somehow like convenient to go out there and

00:23:58.980 be a pro-life uh speaker like many women are and many men are quite frankly um i think it's a

00:24:04.720 beautiful work that they do and i wish there were more people out there advocating for life i yeah

00:24:09.860 i disagree because i see youtube numbers like i know what you guys get paid to speak at a lot of

00:24:16.120 these places i'm like and maybe i'm off by 10 20 but it's good money and a lot of them are getting

00:24:22.040 paid very well. So, yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, yeah, I just wouldn't say I don't think

00:24:29.320 I think it's one thing to pay people for, you know, work and they're giving a speech or things

00:24:33.400 like that. But, you know, the people that I know in the pro-life movement, they're not doing this

00:24:37.060 because, oh, this is my way to make all this money. They're doing this because they are passionate

00:24:40.980 about saving lives. And thankfully, again, there's a lot of beautiful work being done. I mean, I think

00:24:46.160 about the pregnancy resource care center movement, thousands of pregnancy resource centers across the

00:24:50.580 country, more than Planned Parenthoods, more than abortion clinics, they don't get taxpayer dollars.

00:24:55.700 They're not the ones like Planned Parenthood getting, you know, 800 million dollars a year

00:25:00.020 from taxpayers. And they're literally saving lives every day in our communities. They don't

00:25:04.040 have a big marketing budget the way that Planned Parenthood does. Planned Parenthood has like

00:25:06.740 hundreds of millions of dollars to lie to people and spend their marketing.

00:25:09.800 You don't have to convince me that pro-life is like a good, or abortions, right? I think it's,

00:25:14.180 I think it's, yeah. What I'm doing, Curl, is I don't want to discourage people from joining

00:25:18.580 the pro-life movement. And I would say, I think we need more professional people in the pro-life

00:25:22.040 movement who are advancing the cause. Planned Parenthood has a tremendous amount of money that

00:25:27.720 they're investing professionally in developing the pro-abortion lobby. So I would argue we need

00:25:32.440 actually more resources in the pro-life movement. We need more people who are professionally engaged

00:25:36.400 in the pro-life movement in order to advance the cause of the unborn. Right. But the challenge is

00:25:41.120 we see this as a losing... Abortion, abolition and changing hearts and minds. The challenge is

00:25:44.100 most people see this as a losing cause. Like nobody really sees the pro-life movement as having

00:25:49.500 really won much in the past 50 years. And I would say, wait, wait, I'm going to, I would say a lot

00:25:56.500 of people that hypothetically could or would be, you know, when you say like, oh, it'll maybe be

00:26:01.340 banned in our life. I do believe it'll be banned in our lifetime. It's like, it's kind of like,

00:26:06.360 you know, if you have an employee and you're like, when is this project going to get done?

00:26:09.600 And they're like, well, maybe in our lifetime, you're like, well, I don't know if you're

00:26:13.200 winning.

00:26:13.760 Right.

00:26:14.600 And in my, and you know, it's one thing to like, obviously you're going to list the stats

00:26:19.560 or what, you know, give anecdotal stories.

00:26:22.160 But when I look outside, you know, one out of three women have had an abortion and we're

00:26:27.660 getting pills in the mail now.

00:26:29.280 And I think it's disgusting, but I just see it as a losing call.

00:26:33.200 Like I just, I see it as you guys lost.

00:26:36.480 Well, here's, here's a few things to consider Pearl, hopefully to encourage you.

00:26:39.400 So first of all, there are 12 states that have banned abortion.

00:26:42.260 That's a big deal.

00:26:43.000 In 12 states, it is illegal to kill a baby.

00:26:45.740 And that is huge progress.

00:26:47.560 And they reported that after Roe v. Wade fell, another huge victory.

00:26:51.160 Just three years ago, Roe v. Wade was overruled.

00:26:54.280 Now we have the opportunity to protect life.

00:26:57.180 That's a huge opportunity.

00:26:58.740 There were 40,000 more babies born the next year than the year prior that otherwise would

00:27:04.520 have been killed if abortion hadn't been made illegal.

00:27:06.400 So lives are being saved on a daily basis because of pro-life loss.

00:27:10.520 And we have a lot more work to do, but that is a good thing that we have as pro-life

00:27:14.880 lives.

00:27:14.920 They looked into that, though, and they saw that women are going to other states to get

00:27:19.280 the abortion and Plan B sales are going up.

00:27:22.340 I just don't see a baby boom coming anytime soon.

00:27:25.540 I see the birth rate going down.

00:27:28.280 I see if abortion decreases, I looked into this, Plan B increases.

00:27:33.440 so I think you're talking about the abortion pill right um you're saying there's more abortion

00:27:40.400 pills well there's plan b and then there's the abortion pill I believe those are you wouldn't

00:27:45.840 you know they're different things yeah so so here's the thing I hear what you're saying and

00:27:49.560 yes there is you could call it like the black market and this is going to happen even after

00:27:54.100 abortion is banned you know when we ban something like murder fraud rape whatever sometimes the bad

00:28:00.020 things still happens to some degree, right? So I'm not going to say, oh, it's possible to make

00:28:04.280 sure that no one ever commits any sin again. That's not possible, right? In this life, you

00:28:07.980 know, before one day, hopefully on our journey to heaven, we can be perfected, you know, by God's

00:28:12.760 grace, right? But we can fight towards justice and we should fight towards justice for our laws in

00:28:18.980 our society. And in Texas, as an example, Texas banned abortion and the birth rate did go up in

00:28:25.200 Texas Pearl, despite the fact that, yes, some women went out of state, you know, my state of

00:28:28.700 California horrifically. By how much? Like one to what? I think the number was around 40,000 more

00:28:33.920 live births. No, I meant one kid per, because we're at like one point something for the birth

00:28:38.520 rate. So what, to 1.8? The birth rate is very low. It's below replacement rate. But my point is

00:28:44.360 lives are being saved. That's my point. And that's a good thing. You should celebrate every single

00:28:48.880 one of those lives. And I'm not saying that's a bad, you know, I'm all for it, but you have to

00:28:54.380 understand that still sounds like a losing cause to me. Like it doesn't sound like you guys are

00:29:00.280 winning. Here's another perspective for you. So throughout human history and certainly in American

00:29:05.960 history, there've been a number of injustices or abuses, right? And I remember studying the

00:29:11.380 history of social reform to look at different injustices. Like let's look at slavery as an

00:29:16.100 example in America. There were a lot of people, slavery was deeply embedded in at least, you know,

00:29:22.360 the entire Southern part of America, right? It was a core part of the economy. It was a

00:29:26.920 core part of the culture. People thought it was normal. You know, people that there's no way we're

00:29:31.420 going to eradicate slavery. There is no way. And the abolitionists at the time were told that as

00:29:36.220 much. They said, there's no way you're going to solve this problem. There was a lot of, you know,

00:29:40.040 reasons that they had for that we could get into. It doesn't, it doesn't matter. The point is they

00:29:43.140 said, there's no way. And people said, we're going to make a way. We're going to fight for this,

00:29:46.660 even if it's difficult, even if people tell us it's, you know, it's not going to happen. We're

00:29:51.420 going to believe that it can happen. And we're going to work to, you know, change hearts and

00:29:54.840 minds. We're going to work to protect life ultimately. And in the end, yes, through a lot

00:30:00.440 of, you know, yes, there was a horrific civil war, but in the end, we were able to eradicate slavery

00:30:05.060 later on, eradicate Jim Crow. That took time. It took a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, but it was,

00:30:11.360 you know what the difference was then though, right? It was successful. Do you know what the

00:30:14.560 difference was then, right? Sorry, can you say one more time? Do you say, do you know what the

00:30:19.540 differences? Yeah. You know what the difference was back then? Well, how, how do you see the

00:30:24.080 difference? Women didn't vote. Women have too much power. I don't think that's the reason we had

00:30:29.380 slavery because women didn't vote. No, no, I'm saying men have a tendency to have moral, could

00:30:35.100 you not, you're on my show, you know, you gotta, you gotta let me talk. Are you saying that women,

00:30:38.740 just make sure I'm tracking your youth. I'm saying that men have a tendency and not all,

00:30:43.540 I'm on YouTube. So I have to, I have to say not all, but men have a tendency to do the right thing

00:30:49.940 where women have a tendency to do the wrong thing. And so now that women have had all this voting

00:30:55.320 power the last hundred years, I mean, really, you know, abortion's gone up, promiscuity's gone up

00:31:02.840 and the family unit's gone down. So I just could not see something that is so moral

00:31:09.360 being passed in my lifetime because women are the primary voting bloc. And as you said earlier,

00:31:15.880 Democrats and Republicans, they both have to cater to women. That's the challenge we're going to

00:31:24.520 have. And that's why I'm, what I'm not saying is that the pro-life movement is bad or wrong or that

00:31:31.300 even, but I do see them as ineffective and a losing cause. I don't really, I think Roe versus

00:31:37.840 Wade was the last victory they'll really have in our lifetime. And I also believe that we really

00:31:45.860 have better things to worry about because it's been so ineffective. Yeah, I just totally disagree.

00:31:52.320 I think every life saved is worth celebrating and we're saving more as we go. And this thing

00:31:57.900 about women voting and, you know, that's led to all the problems. I mean, slavery existed in America

00:32:04.440 before women could vote. So I'm not sure your argument follows that. Oh, before women voted,

00:32:09.140 you know, everything was hunky-dory in the U.S. No, I didn't say that. So the argument is that

00:32:13.700 men will do something moral, even at the cost of themselves. So even like they, they will vote or

00:32:22.020 pass something that is morally right. Even if it's at a cost to themselves at times, women are not

00:32:28.540 the same way. They vote very selfishly and abortion gives women power over who is born.

00:32:33.940 So they're just never going to give that up ever.

00:32:37.560 I think you're casting really big generalizations about men versus women.

00:32:43.080 And I think you're kind of speaking to maybe the virtue of fortitude where people do, you

00:32:47.340 know, are courageous or do what's right, even when it's hard.

00:32:49.860 But I think women can have that.

00:32:51.040 Don't you think men and women are different?

00:32:52.360 Well, let me just finish what I was going to say.

00:32:54.040 I think women can have that virtue too.

00:32:55.740 So I don't think that there's like an exclusively male virtue to do what's right or an exclusively

00:32:59.340 female virtue to, you know, be loving or something like this.

00:33:02.740 So I disagree with the broad strokes that you're, you know, painting here.

00:33:06.720 But I would ask you, you know, it sounds like we agree, which is a good thing, that abortion

00:33:10.600 is murder, abortion is horrible, abortion is wrong.

00:33:13.480 We agree on that.

00:33:14.980 And if we agree on that, I guess my question to you, Pearl, be why wouldn't you want to

00:33:18.000 fight that, even if it would only help save one life?

00:33:20.620 Wouldn't it be worth it to you to still speak out against it, to still advocate for the

00:33:24.300 rights of those children?

00:33:25.280 Well, and I think this is what women have a tendency to do is they think that talking

00:33:29.720 into a microphone like saves lives, right? I don't really believe, again, I don't believe

00:33:34.620 the pro-life movement is effective. I think it's easy to like take the credit, but I think that

00:33:39.660 women that don't want to abort their kids will find the resources to not. The same way somebody

00:33:44.780 that wants to lose weight will find the resources to not do that. I think if they found your

00:33:50.660 organization, they really didn't want to do it to begin with because like, you know, women aren't

00:33:55.740 of boarding NBA players kids or like rich men's kids in general. I mean, there's broad strokes,

00:34:02.420 obviously. And I also don't really understand the, I think that's totally untrue, by the way,

00:34:08.300 but I don't know where you're getting that from. Women steal condoms, Lila, women steal condoms,

00:34:18.400 Lila from the NBA. So, so this was, this was a problem. This was a problem where they had to

00:34:24.280 issue out statements telling men to throw away their condoms because women were stealing it.

00:34:29.580 I don't think it's untrue that women have a tendency to try to get kids off of wealthy men.

00:34:36.460 If anything, you congratulated Ashley St. Clair for doing that. Exactly. You congratulated her

00:34:42.700 when she was pregnant by Elon Musk's baby, which she planned for years. So I don't know when it's

00:34:48.240 in front of your face, how you can deny that happens. So, well, a couple of things. First of

00:34:53.860 all, when it comes to congratulating, you're mentioning Ashley St. Clair for her baby.

00:34:58.520 I think any baby's existence is a beautiful gift and deserves celebration. So that's the first

00:35:03.300 thing I'll say. The second thing, no matter how they were conceived, Pearl, no matter how they

00:35:07.480 were conceived, they are a gift from God and they deserve a right to life and they deserve

00:35:11.300 celebration. But then another thing I'll say is you, you, you, you seem to be continually,

00:35:15.980 you know, doing these broad brush strokes of all women, this, all women, that, all men,

00:35:21.540 this on the net. I don't think that's reality. I don't think that's reality. And I think it's

00:35:25.840 really unhelpful to, you know, paint such broad brushes because certainly there are women that

00:35:31.760 do terrible things. Certainly there are men that do terrible things, but I don't think it's going

00:35:36.600 to be useful ultimately to say all men are this way. All women are this way. Why don't we focus

00:35:41.600 on the argument instead of, why don't we focus on the argument instead of tone policing? Because

00:35:47.800 you're like right now you're basically saying I don't like the way you said it which is fine

00:35:51.660 what you're saying is untrue there's a difference what did I say that did Ashley St. Clair not try

00:35:59.020 to get a kid off of Elon Musk did that not happen that that's not what I was talking about I was

00:36:04.660 talking about you saying women are all like this I didn't always do that that's not what I said

00:36:08.660 though okay what what didn't know you you claimed that I said something untrue so tell me exactly

00:36:14.580 what i said the characterization that all women try to do x right i said they have a tendency

00:36:21.540 i said have a tendency well i i just disagree that all women have this tendency to go after rich men

00:36:26.900 and try to whatever you were saying you know i don't think that's true i don't think that's true

00:36:31.700 okay well what data do you have to prove it well i can i can have you meet at least i know hundreds

00:36:38.660 of women personally that that's not how they behave so right there i just you know i proved you wrong

00:36:44.580 Cause there are, cause I know someone that's not a good argument, Lila.

00:36:48.960 I mean, it might work on the, on the trad people you argue with.

00:36:52.620 That doesn't work on me.

00:36:54.460 Like, you know, they just, so if you're saying all women have this tendency, but they're

00:37:00.300 not, all women are not doing that.

00:37:01.660 Then I think that that is not a correct characterization of women.

00:37:04.600 Women tend to divorce men that they out earn.

00:37:07.240 Women tend to marry men and have children with men that earn.

00:37:11.660 Aren't you conservative?

00:37:13.040 Protect, provide.

00:37:14.580 You don't want provider men?

00:37:18.020 I think that's good.

00:37:19.120 I'm not sure how that connects back to what we were just talking about.

00:37:21.980 But yes, I think it's wonderful when men provide.

00:37:24.760 Okay.

00:37:25.660 The other thing you said, I said that women...

00:37:27.600 Where are you going with all of this?

00:37:28.700 Because I am curious if I may ask you another question.

00:37:31.300 You know, you're saying the pro-life movement has, you know, no hope and it's pointless.

00:37:36.980 But I just explained to you...

00:37:37.600 I said it's ineffective.

00:37:40.300 Well, you were saying it's ineffective.

00:37:41.860 but I just explained to you that as one example, there have been, there were 40,000 lives saved

00:37:47.380 when Roe v. Wade fell. Roe v. Wade would not have fallen without the pro-life movement. So are those

00:37:52.720 40 lives, 40,000 lives in your view, not, they don't matter that, that, that, that, that means

00:37:59.520 that the pro-life movement's ineffective because those 40,000 lives were saved. I believe that

00:38:03.180 those women, if they wanted to have a child, they would have it. And if they didn't want to have a

00:38:08.220 kid, they wouldn't. I think oftentimes, um, people on the internet have a tendency to think

00:38:13.940 and attribute everything to themselves, but the same way that, um, the same way, like if I was a

00:38:20.740 personal training page, right. And somebody found me to lose weight. If they didn't find me, they

00:38:27.220 would have found somebody else. They wanted to lose weight. I believe that when women, women,

00:38:32.620 I believe ultimately your actions show what you want to do, not what you say, but what you actually

00:38:38.080 do. So that's how I would view it. What would be your recommended solutions to abortion to

00:38:44.260 save lives? What would you do? I don't think it's solvable, unfortunately. I think women

00:38:49.180 have a tendency to be ruthless. And I've shown women videos of abortions and with a cold face,

00:38:58.640 they don't care. I've met women that have had five abortions. They do not care. Women are very

00:39:03.500 callous and cold. I mean, there's a reason women, even when a kid's born in the first year,

00:39:09.080 if there is an infanticide, I'm sure you know the stat, the most likely person to do it is the

00:39:13.360 mother. The most likely person to abuse a child when it's one of the biological parents is the

00:39:19.380 mother. So women are violent. Women are far more violent than society gives them credit for.

00:39:27.220 They're also the most likely to abuse the elderly when it comes to killing the innocent. Oh my gosh,

00:39:32.100 women are ruthless. I think you could try to logic women. That's a strategy. I don't think

00:39:38.340 it's an effective one because I don't think they care. And the reason I don't think they care is

00:39:43.600 because, you know, I've been pro-life from a young age, like quote unquote pro, like I haven't

00:39:49.080 believed in abortion from a young age. And it's because I wanted to find the, I wanted to find

00:39:54.460 the information, right? I want it. It's on Google. There's nothing stopping a woman from finding that

00:40:01.040 information, but they choose to not because they don't want to. So I don't see women stopping

00:40:07.220 killing their kids ever, ever. I mean, Pearl, by your logic, let's be real here, Pearl,

00:40:12.380 by your logic, you're saying women are so evil, they're going to kill no matter what.

00:40:16.180 They kill their born children too. Let me just finish, please.

00:40:18.520 And any of the world population, that's pretty bad.

00:40:20.740 Let me just finish Pearl. Give me one second here. By your logic, we should just get rid of

00:40:25.620 murder laws. We should just get rid of laws that govern the behavior of women because they're so

00:40:30.060 bad, they're going to always do bad stuff. And I would say, absolutely not. The law is a teacher.

00:40:33.860 The law does have power. It doesn't mean everybody perfectly will follow the law.

00:40:37.520 I would love for it. I would love for it. We need laws. I totally would love for it to be

00:40:42.220 illegal. If it was up to me. Well, good. I'm glad we agree on that much. We would agree. But it

00:40:47.260 doesn't mean that I think it'll happen. And I think what I often hear conservatives say,

00:40:51.360 what I often hear, what I, can I finish? So I often hear conservatives say, as they say the

00:40:57.280 word should. Well, should is just a wish list. It's just, I wish that would happen. And you know,

00:41:03.780 anyone that's like run a company or, or, you know, you know, like if I went to an army general and

00:41:09.140 said there shouldn't be war, he would say, wow, that sounds nice. Well, what's your plan? How

00:41:14.340 are we going to end this war in the next year? And he says, well, I think it'll happen in my

00:41:18.500 lifetime. If I was the general, I would say, I don't know if, I don't know if we're going to

00:41:23.240 win this war. That's not a great strategy. And what I've heard just really aren't the

00:41:29.460 best strategies. And I don't know if there is a way to win because women have too much

00:41:33.400 voting power.

00:41:36.060 Well, listen, I think that the kind of argument you're making that it's so difficult, there's

00:41:40.900 so much entrenched interest for why people would want abortion. And so they're not going

00:41:45.000 to, we're never going to get rid of it. You can make that argument about other human rights

00:41:49.180 abuses historically. You can make that argument about racism and Jim Crow. You could make that

00:41:53.040 argument too about slavery. It was certainly a very, there's a huge financial interest for

00:41:58.380 slaveholders. So you can make those arguments about other evils that we have overcome historically.

00:42:04.060 So I think it really is going to come down to willpower and it's going to come down to a lot

00:42:08.740 of grace from God. I don't think that this is just a, you know, physical battle. This is a

00:42:12.780 spiritual battle too. It's going to come down to a lot of support in the needs of people and

00:42:17.460 education, and it is going to come down to the law. And so we're going to continue to work. I

00:42:21.740 mean, I, I'd love to have your, your support and backing Pearl. I get it that, you know,

00:42:25.440 you're saying, eh, it's a helpless fight, but we're, we're going to keep crusading and we're

00:42:28.960 going to continue to work. So that's not just 12 states that bans abortion, but that is 13 states

00:42:34.140 and then 14 states and 15 states. We're going to continue the crusade until every child's protected.

00:42:38.380 If the crusade is an eighth of the world population aborted, I just don't think you're

00:42:43.580 winning. I don't think you're close. Like that's my point. I wish you luck.

00:42:48.260 I think there's a lot of work to do. I agree with you, but I think there's been a lot of

00:42:51.300 victories as well. And we're going to keep working. Well, yeah, I just, I would get a better plan

00:42:56.400 than maybe it's like in the next year, we'll achieve this, this, and this, you know, then you

00:43:00.820 might, then you might get the job. We'll keep working on it, Pearl. Trust me every day. That's

00:43:05.440 the, that's the question of how do we do this more strategically? I mean, right now, the big fight

00:43:10.020 I'll just tell you is defunding Planned Parenthood and I'll explain why they're getting $800 million

00:43:14.360 every single year from taxpayers. I mean, they're an almost $2 billion group. You look at the pro

00:43:20.380 life movement, the total amount of resources in the pro-life movement, including all the

00:43:23.560 pregnancy resource centers, you're talking completely is dwarfed by Planned Parenthood's

00:43:27.460 budget, right? 800 million bucks from the government. They get to then turn that money

00:43:31.040 around for their propaganda machine and media, for their political machine and the Democratic

00:43:35.880 Party, for their academia, you know, relationships. They're in the school system. They're doing all

00:43:40.720 of their propaganda in the school system. That's all because they're being tax funded. So right

00:43:45.060 now there's an opportunity really of a lifetime because we technically have the Republicans,

00:43:49.040 have power over the House, enough power in the Senate, and they have the White House that they

00:43:54.420 could defund Planned Parenthood right now. And so one of the big things that we're calling for is

00:43:58.940 get the job done, defund, and try to get all the people who are politically engaged who would say,

00:44:04.260 I'm conservative, or I'm Republican, or I care about life, to say, let's get this thing done

00:44:08.200 and defund. And there have been some defunding that's happened. It's a small amount in the tens

00:44:12.980 of millions. The whole thing needs to be defunded. If that were to happen, that would be a huge step

00:44:17.500 forward for the pro-life movement. And I think that is within the possibility at this time

00:44:21.420 politically. So that's one thing we're working on. Yeah. I just think there's bigger issues.

00:44:26.320 Unfortunately, that bigger issues, Pearl, what is a bigger issue than the killing of 3000 babies a

00:44:30.920 day? Crime, taxes. What is a bigger crime than killing 3000 babies a day? Yeah, but women are

00:44:37.240 going to do that anyway. My God, you're not going to take that. I don't believe you'll take that

00:44:41.980 away from them. I looked up the infant mortality rate in the 1800s and it was very similar to

00:44:47.480 the abortion rate today. I believe that women have always killed their kids. I think it's a

00:44:52.620 terrible thing, but I think a lot of, like, I don't really see nagging women into stopping

00:44:59.320 aborting their kids as being effective. I hope so, you know, but yeah. I think maybe where you

00:45:05.520 and I disagree is I think that people do have the power to choose to do the good, including the

00:45:09.720 women that you, you know, have such a negative view of. I think people have the power to choose

00:45:13.580 to do good. And I think we need to urge them to do it. We need to celebrate them when they do it.

00:45:18.700 A third of women are murderers.

00:45:19.620 Keep it up. And this is for both women and men, by the way. And so, and I do think that

00:45:24.260 by God's grace, you know, we've been given the gift of a mind to mind to think and a will to

00:45:29.560 choose. And I think it is important to speak the truth again and again, especially in a culture

00:45:34.000 like today where there's so many lies being told, so many rationalizations for evil. We got to speak

00:45:38.720 the truth and it does convict people. There are people still have consciences, even if they're

00:45:42.580 seared. Yeah. And truth does have the power to convince. But see, this is kind of the difference

00:45:46.440 between men and women is women have a tendency to think that speaking into a microphone is going to

00:45:52.820 do a lot more than I believe it does. Well, why do you speak into a microphone? Men, I report the

00:45:58.740 news. Why do you do your podcast project? What is your goal? If you think it's, it's, it's

00:46:03.120 meaningless. To be accurate. And so I think, I think it's inaccurate. I think it's, I think it's

00:46:09.880 inaccurate to paint women, to even say that women are ever going to stop killing their kids when

00:46:19.180 one out of three women have done it. I just think that's inaccurate. Just to be clear, Pearl, it

00:46:24.560 sounds like you're saying people's minds are made up. People have their evil natures. They're going

00:46:28.900 to do what they're going to do. What's the point? People follow incentives. People follow incentives.

00:46:35.140 That's my point.

00:46:35.980 If I can just say something here.

00:46:37.080 My question to you is, why do you do what you do if you think people's minds are all

00:46:41.960 made up?

00:46:42.300 They're just going to be the way that they are.

00:46:43.640 Because I always felt like conservatives, similar to you and other conservatives, were

00:46:49.560 inaccurate because they want to be right and they want to push their religion.

00:46:53.400 So it's very important to me that I'm accurate with what's going on.

00:46:58.460 But what's the point of being accurate if it's not going to make any difference to your

00:47:01.620 point?

00:47:02.780 What's the point of being accurate?

00:47:04.860 Yeah, you're saying, oh, I'm doing this to be accurate,

00:47:07.740 even though it's not going to make any difference

00:47:09.140 because people's minds are made up and they're also evil.

00:47:11.480 So I'm just trying to understand.

00:47:12.700 I didn't say that they're, you do this woman thing,

00:47:14.700 you're putting words in my mouth.

00:47:16.180 I didn't say they're evil.

00:47:17.960 Well, you said, you indicated that people have always killed,

00:47:21.240 you know, their babies.

00:47:22.140 People have these bad natures.

00:47:23.860 You know, I think you're referring generally speaking to.

00:47:26.020 People tend to do what's best for themselves.

00:47:28.480 And if it's in a woman's best interest to kill the kid,

00:47:31.520 she's going to do it most likely.

00:47:33.100 and, and me moralizing and saying, Oh, like, it's really easy, like for me to come on here and say,

00:47:38.920 Oh, this is so wrong. Like then you look good, right? You get the virtue signal. It's great,

00:47:43.760 but it doesn't change the fact that women are going to do it in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. So,

00:47:49.160 I mean, I, I hear what you're saying, but I think you're wrong. I think definitely people

00:47:52.580 do change their mind. They do choose not to have abortions all the time. And I think making it

00:47:57.460 illegal, making abortion illegal also helps a lot with getting women to not have abortions

00:48:01.320 that has been proven based on the increase in live births in the years after abortion laws have gone

00:48:06.360 into effect. This argument that people are always going to sin. So therefore, we should just legally

00:48:12.180 permit the sin and give up the project. I did not say that. That's not what I said.

00:48:16.660 I said, I'm not a lawmaker. That's the premise of your argument, though, Pearl.

00:48:20.160 I'm not a lawmaker. Like I'm not. My point is, I can't I can't change the laws. This isn't make a

00:48:25.780 wish, right? This isn't, if I could, I would, but I can't. Okay. Sure. I mean, I, I, I understand

00:48:34.460 you're not a lawmaker, but I, I don't know that how that's, how that's relevant to what I was

00:48:37.860 just saying. I mean, you're, you're, it sounds like your position is you're, you're kind of

00:48:40.660 saying give up the pro-life fight. It's not worth it because people are, that's not what you said.

00:48:45.700 I said you guys are ineffective and I don't think you're winning. Yeah. I don't think you're

00:48:49.960 winning. Yeah. Then how does the pro-life movement become more effective? How should we win? Tell me

00:48:54.580 how to win, Pearl. I wish I could. I think it's a losing cause because women want to kill their

00:48:59.460 kids. Okay. So we're talking in circles a little here because it sounds like you're saying, well,

00:49:04.260 it's a losing cause because women are always just going to want to kill your kids. Is that

00:49:07.060 your position? Yeah. You guys are not going to win this one. And what I'm saying in response to

00:49:12.520 that, the argument that, well, they're always going to do the bad thing. So why try, right?

00:49:17.400 That argument, they're always going to do the sin. They're always going to do the bad thing. So why

00:49:20.820 even try to persuade them I don't really care if you try like it's not or to establish laws

00:49:25.080 otherwise I think that's a faulty position to take because I think people laws do matter and I think

00:49:31.060 that people can be persuaded not all but some and I do think what you said earlier was good I thought

00:49:36.160 I liked what you said about well I believe in accuracy you seem to be talking about the

00:49:40.380 importance of truth I think that's what you were getting at I think the truth matters and the truth

00:49:45.000 can convict people it can move people not everyone but many people and I think it's important to not

00:49:50.800 just work for legal change but to continue to speak the truth in as many different ways as

00:49:55.120 possible to in as many different peoples as people as possible because i do think it it makes a

00:49:59.920 difference not with everybody but with some yeah but it's going to be a small minority

00:50:05.600 you can think that i mean it will depend on the person but it depends on what you mean by that

00:50:10.720 you can agree that if a third of women are having abortions it's really not going like they're not

00:50:16.320 going to stop anytime soon significantly right one other one other thing morality right like

00:50:22.480 we're not going to drop it from a third to ten percent in the next five years let's say of a

00:50:27.760 woman having abortions well if we if we if we get the funding away from planned parenthood they will

00:50:34.640 close a lot of their facilities and if we get the abortion pill if not off the market at least put

00:50:39.680 regulations back on which is a bare minimum thing i mean you don't you shouldn't be regulating an

00:50:44.960 evil pill that kills babies it should be taken off the market but at minimum if this administration

00:50:49.920 claims to be republican even or you know in support of maha they say they're all about making

00:50:54.720 americans healthy again that sounds like a laudable goal well why are you allowing the

00:50:59.280 abortion pill with it which is lethal which kills babies which lands one out of every 20

00:51:04.400 you know four women in the emergency room why are you allowing this on the market so

00:51:08.480 there are things that could be done politically right now that would be very consequential in

00:51:15.120 saving lives they could be but i wouldn't predict it because women vote so i don't think i don't

00:51:19.920 think the incentives isn't about voting because these people are already in power pearl and and

00:51:23.120 some women actually help right but let me just say one other thing go ahead um one other quick

00:51:28.480 thing too is you know the 14th amendment matters here we actually already have a law in our

00:51:33.040 constitution you know the governing legal body for our entire you know american project the 14th

00:51:38.320 amendment says nor shall any state deprive any person of life liberty or property without due

00:51:43.920 process of law nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction to equal protection of the laws so

00:51:50.320 already our constitution under the 14th amendment says that every person should be given equal

00:51:55.360 protection under the law that means that those homicide laws those murder laws that already exist

00:52:00.240 in our country should apply to babies because they are just as human as you are to me so i think we

00:52:06.000 we need to continue to make these cases. It will influence people as well as we continue to

00:52:10.460 legislate. And yeah, this is not an easy fight. I'm not going to sit here and be Pollyanna and

00:52:14.600 say, oh, it's so easy. No big deal. It's going to work out. Everything's fine. This is a huge

00:52:18.560 fight we're undertaking and it's not resourced enough. It needs to be more resourced, but there

00:52:22.580 is progress that is definitively being made. And we are on the cusp of potentially substantial more

00:52:28.220 progress. And I think right now is the time to lean in and keep fighting, not to back down and

00:52:32.320 say, oh, I give up. Everybody's, you know, everyone, it's all lost. Everyone's sinful.

00:52:35.800 I believe in radical acceptance. So I believe in accepting the things that I can and cannot control.

00:52:44.520 So there's some things I just can't control. Why do you keep talking about women then?

00:52:49.120 And I believe that women can't control them. And you think they can't impact them.

00:52:54.180 You go on these monologues and you interrupt a lot. You know, I'm just letting you know.

00:52:59.180 Um, the, I believe that women killing their kids is out of my control because they've

00:53:07.480 always done it.

00:53:08.460 I hope you guys make some progress.

00:53:10.860 I wouldn't predict it.

00:53:12.200 That's my opinion.

00:53:13.780 Well, I appreciate your hope, Pearl.

00:53:15.780 Yeah.

00:53:16.340 So I want to talk about, I think, I think I'll just say one quick last thing.

00:53:21.660 I think that it's important that we don't, um, I would say that saying, well, it's always,

00:53:27.680 it's always been this way.

00:53:28.520 it's always going to be that way. I would say if that's our posture, then yeah, it might never

00:53:32.660 change. But throughout human history, when there have been huge changes, when there have been huge

00:53:37.900 injustices that have been rectified or overcome, it's because people stood up and woke up and said,

00:53:42.380 I'm going to do something about this. And that's the spirit that drives our movement. And that's

00:53:46.120 what's going to continue to win, make wins that we've had and get to more wins. Yeah, I think that

00:53:52.840 sounds nice um but i don't think it's the most pragmatic so i wanted to move on to the next um

00:54:00.280 would you agree that women are not actually let me say this in a different way

00:54:10.360 you particular stop but um that's horrible if true i mean it's all very horrible okay

00:54:16.280 i don't necessarily think women are as nurturing as conservatives make us out to be

00:54:21.240 And I think women are far more violent than conservatives really talk about.

00:54:29.080 And the reason I think that is because of the abuse towards children and their inclination towards killing their kids.

00:54:35.280 Would you disagree with that?

00:54:38.680 So you're saying you think conservatives think women are more nurturing than they are?

00:54:43.280 Yeah, I think that women by nature.

00:54:45.580 I think men are the nurturing gender, but go ahead.

00:54:48.940 Okay.

00:54:49.220 I mean, it's an interesting theory.

00:54:50.820 I think that men can absolutely be very nurturing. I do think that there's sometimes a stereotype

00:54:54.820 about men, like they're not nurturing. And I don't think that's true. I think women are designed to

00:54:59.720 be nurturing and it's a very defective society that produces unnurturing women. And that's a

00:55:05.660 very, that's a big tragedy. It's really sad. And I agree with you that American society,

00:55:11.340 because of abortion, quite frankly, and the sexual revolution has created a generation

00:55:16.780 of people that struggle to be their natural design, maybe even more than former generations,

00:55:23.020 because we objectify each other so much with pornography, because of the sexual revolution,

00:55:27.460 because abortion and contraception is just right there. It's like, okay, of course,

00:55:30.880 I'm gonna have sex aside of marriage, no big deal. Okay, abortion is the back of contraception. So

00:55:35.020 yeah, I agree with you. And as far as as far as 100,000 foot view of society today, there's a lot

00:55:40.880 of, uh, defectiveness in, uh, the kinds of ways that we're shaping, how we're shaping people.

00:55:47.660 So what makes you blame society and not women? So, because I hear this a lot, I'm going to,

00:55:53.900 I'm going to make my case and then you can go. So I hear this a lot from conservatives that

00:55:58.880 it's always the default. Whenever there's a negative trait about women, they always tend

00:56:03.940 to blame society. So if women are choosing, because we have the choice to do anything now.

00:56:09.100 So if we're not choosing to be mothers and we're choosing to be violent towards our children, maybe that's just by and large how women are.

00:56:17.380 Why is it that society is pressuring women to do it?

00:56:20.460 Or society is, I heard you say propaganda earlier.

00:56:25.200 I just, when I was selfish, they just wanted to do other things rather than be a mom.

00:56:30.000 One wanted to be a nurse and one was just crazy irresponsible.

00:56:34.840 I don't think it was propaganda when I see in the real world.

00:56:38.720 I don't think they were coerced. I think they were just selfish people. Um, so what makes you

00:56:43.940 blame society and not the woman? So I don't know that it's such a binary of, oh, you only blame

00:56:50.840 society and you don't blame the woman. I think of course people are responsible for their actions

00:56:54.980 a hundred percent. And you know, I would say it's similar to saying, okay, the society is so

00:56:59.460 pornified, right? There's porn everywhere. The average age of exposure to porn is like seven or

00:57:05.080 eight years, years old, right? There's a ton of men who are addicted to pornography. I would say

00:57:09.820 that that is in part a problem with our society, right? So you can say, well, isn't it the men's

00:57:15.440 fault they're addicted to pornography? Well, it's also society's fault because we're so pornified

00:57:19.700 and they're growing up in a culture that's so dark and that it, you know, has pornography

00:57:24.560 Can we say corn? Can we say corn? Can we say corn? A moment away on the internet. Can we say corn just

00:57:29.480 for the, the YouTube? I'm sorry. Sure. Corn. Yeah. But, but do you see what I'm saying? So I don't

00:57:33.900 think this is like, you know, giving special women a pass or giving men a pass. My argument would be

00:57:39.040 our society is really broken right now. People still have responsibility for their actions,

00:57:44.260 but we're making it easier for people to commit vice by having pornography or sorry,

00:57:50.540 pornography, however you say it on, you know, for YouTube regulations, whatever. But I think that

00:57:55.080 makes it easier for people to commit sin. Who voted for these things?

00:57:59.280 you're saying who voted for for um uh the sexual revolution and hookup culture and

00:58:07.080 what exactly are you I mean well you could look at the history of the sexual revolution so there's

00:58:13.360 Hugh Hefner there's Larry Lader there's a number of you know these you know Alfred Kinsey is a huge

00:58:20.200 one I don't know if you're familiar you're familiar with Alfred Kinsey for women wanting

00:58:24.340 to be whores, Lila? Come on. Well, I don't know that. I think we're maybe talking past each other

00:58:30.560 now, but you're asking me about how did we get to the, I think you were asking me, it's a little

00:58:34.560 unclear sometimes what you're trying to ask, but I think you were asking me, how did we get to this

00:58:38.820 point where we have all this sexualization in our culture because who voted for it? I think that

00:58:42.740 was your question. Yeah, I'm saying who voted for it? What is your question? Who wants sex ed in

00:58:46.560 school who wants abortion who wants hookup culture who voted for this stuff

00:58:55.440 well i don't know that people are voting for sex ed in school that's not like an up down vote

00:59:00.560 so the way it works if just look back in the history of the sexual revolution

00:59:04.160 you had you know what i'm asking you had in the voting democrat men or women okay

00:59:10.960 i mean both vote democrat but you're are you saying that more women are voting democrat than

00:59:15.120 And then in the last hundred years, if only men voted, it would be a hundred percent conservative.

00:59:21.420 You got a guy.

00:59:22.380 So the women, women are opening up their legs to men.

00:59:26.360 So I would say that women are responsible for this.

00:59:30.460 It sounds like you're kind of taking a posture here because you're kind of acting like, oh,

00:59:35.380 you know, you must think women don't hold any responsibility for the actions.

00:59:38.680 And I don't think that I've never, I haven't said that.

00:59:40.960 So it sounds like we're maybe talking past each other here a little bit.

00:59:43.640 I don't know how productive that is.

00:59:44.880 but I would say if we're going to talk about, you know, how did we get to where we are today?

00:59:48.700 If that's the discussion here, like how did we get to where we are? So maybe we can discover

00:59:52.420 how do we solve the problems of the day, right? You can look at it through a lens of, oh, it's all,

00:59:57.400 you know, this particular block of women who are voting left every day, all day long, right? You

01:00:01.600 could say, you could make an argument like that. I would want to go back and look even further and

01:00:06.080 say, okay, what are the ideologies, right? That are driving people's, yeah, voting decisions is

01:00:12.840 part of it but most importantly actually it's their behaviors because the sexual revolution

01:00:16.440 wasn't the consequence of voting the sexual revolution was a consequence of people

01:00:20.440 saying aha we're liberated i just noticed whenever i say something if i could just finish

01:00:25.080 whenever i say something's women's fault you'll always find a way to like divert and blame it on

01:00:29.480 either society or basically a man so that's not accurate pearl i don't know where you're getting

01:00:35.000 that okay well i'm just watching the broad sweeping i'm what i would say is the broad

01:00:39.320 sweeping generalizations that you you know seem to be making are not particularly useful in

01:00:44.200 actually diagnosing the problem of where we're at today and how we got here and if you you know i

01:00:48.040 can i was kind of trying to speak to uh the sexual revolution and how we got here ideologically and

01:00:53.560 also technologically because the advent of the birth control pill i think was also a big um

01:01:00.280 impetus quite frankly for the sexual revolution and so now we think oh sex can be separated from

01:01:05.240 from procreation, right? That's no problem. Just have sex. It's not a big deal. Well, sex is a big

01:01:10.800 deal. It can create new life. Abortions being used as backup contraception, right? So I think

01:01:16.400 part of the issue is, you know, the public funding of abortion and contraception via Planned Parenthood

01:01:21.580 is a huge issue that we can fight on a public policy level. And then on an education level,

01:01:27.780 you know, undoing all the nonsense that's being taught about sex and about, you know, human

01:01:32.440 identity. I think that's a big project. Is everybody going to listen? Is everybody going

01:01:36.900 to just do what's right once they learn the truth? Not, no, no, I'm not saying everyone's

01:01:40.360 just going to listen, but I think it's important to still speak the truth and work to educate

01:01:44.400 people, both men and women, you know, everybody needs that. So. Okay. So I wanted to move on to

01:01:49.740 the next topic. So I hear you talk a lot about marriage. So I would love for you to sell me

01:01:55.060 marriage. What benefit does marriage have for men? Yeah. Well, I would start by saying marriage

01:02:00.900 is not for everyone. So I don't want to come in here and be like, everybody has to get married

01:02:05.860 because it's not for everyone. I believe marriage is a calling. It's very beautiful. I believe it's

01:02:10.260 for maybe many people, even most people, but you know, I think some people might have a different

01:02:14.860 calling. So I want to start with that. Um, I think that also if, if somebody is, you know,

01:02:21.420 look maybe because of divorce in the bat in their past, meaning, uh, they, they were a child of

01:02:27.040 divorce or, you know, seeing abuse in their household with their mother, their mother was

01:02:32.100 abusive or their father was abusive, or there was neglect, whatever it was, they might have a lot of

01:02:37.100 wounds, right? That makes it difficult for them to imagine a happy life with a family, a happy

01:02:42.780 marriage, happy children. And so I think there's a lot of people like that today. And I would say

01:02:48.000 we need to work on discovering healing, finding healing, because people aren't going to want to

01:02:54.660 get married if they think marriage is miserable or they think that marriage is just going to end

01:02:58.760 in divorce or, you know, my parents are unhappy with each other. So what does he get? What is he,

01:03:03.960 what's in it for him? For just any man, what would be in it? A 28 year old Ivy League. Let's say he's

01:03:10.480 28 years old. He's an Ivy League graduate at a law school. I have a friend, 28 Ivy League grad.

01:03:16.720 He's going places in life. What is in it for him to get married? What does he get? I mean, it's not,

01:03:22.360 Just to be clear, if this is where you're going with this, I wouldn't be like, oh, 28-year-old

01:03:27.300 man in Ivy League and in Harvard, if I was like talking to him right now, I'd be like,

01:03:30.840 you have to get married.

01:03:32.260 I don't know that he should get married.

01:03:33.760 He might not be his calling.

01:03:35.320 Many of them, I think, will get married.

01:03:37.680 It's a beautiful thing, a good thing.

01:03:39.860 So where are you going with this?

01:03:40.920 Are you trying to say men should, is your position that men should never get married?

01:03:44.920 And I guess women then, no one should get married to each other, period?

01:03:48.280 I don't tell people what to do.

01:03:51.480 I certainly don't.

01:03:52.460 I don't tell.

01:03:52.840 Why are you asking?

01:03:53.500 So you don't have a position on this, you're saying?

01:03:56.460 I say do what you want.

01:03:58.640 But I hear conservatives often.

01:04:00.700 Well, if you want to get married.

01:04:02.020 I hear conservatives sell marriage.

01:04:04.420 I believe I've seen tweets from you that are pushing like marriage and getting married.

01:04:09.300 So I'm asking you if you're going to sell it and push that, what is in it for the man?

01:04:13.940 What does he get?

01:04:15.000 He says, Lila, I want to.

01:04:16.840 What do I get out of a Catholic marriage or out of marriage in general?

01:04:20.860 Well, let's make a couple important distinctions. You're saying, oh, you, you push marriage in

01:04:24.760 tweets. And I definitely have talked about marriage being a very beautiful thing and a

01:04:28.600 very good thing, which it is. It's a sacrament, I believe, and it brings two people together in a

01:04:34.320 beautiful relationship that is between them and God, and they can bring life into the world.

01:04:38.060 And that's amazing. And we need strong marriages for any strong civilization. So I'm going to say

01:04:43.380 that proudly. And, you know, I don't, I think that's good to say, but that doesn't mean everybody,

01:04:47.620 I'm going to go say everybody in the world has to go get married then. So I'm, I don't know.

01:04:52.600 I don't know what you're, you wouldn't push marriage. I would, I would say I definitely

01:04:57.540 promote marriage. It's a good thing. And we need, we need healthy and strong marriages.

01:05:01.080 So if it's a good thing, what, but I'm not going to say everybody should get married.

01:05:03.840 I don't think that's correct. That's totally fine. But I'm asking, what does he get out of it?

01:05:09.120 You mean, what does any hypothetical man get out of any hypothetical marriage? Is that your

01:05:13.160 question. I gave you a hypothetical guy. So like, what does he get out of marriage?

01:05:19.100 Well, I, let's say that to get out of marriage, I mean, he's in this marriage freely and for

01:05:27.240 your hypothetical, if he, I want to make sure he's not like being forced into getting married.

01:05:32.720 Cause then it's like, don't do it. Right. Or he's marrying some bad, you know, if he's bearing

01:05:36.800 somebody who is not a woman of virtue, not a woman who shares his values, but if you're a man and you

01:05:41.560 desire marriage and you're working on bettering yourself, I would encourage you look for a

01:05:45.500 virtuous woman, look for one that shares your values, look for somebody that you can see her

01:05:50.520 family background. You can see her history and she's trying to live a good life. She's trying

01:05:54.860 to live a life of virtue. She's trying to, you know, she, she's open to life herself. She wants

01:05:59.520 to be a mother. She's open to, um, you know, loving any children you might create. I think,

01:06:05.260 you know, you, you, you obviously have attraction for each other. I think those are all beautiful

01:06:08.380 things. And if you're a man considering marriage, you should weigh those things. And then if you

01:06:13.040 were to find a woman like that, get married. I mean, men and women, according to the social data

01:06:19.360 who get married are happier and men who get married are wealthier because they have a family

01:06:25.600 project they're now working towards. So in that sense, marriage can be a very beautiful thing

01:06:29.360 and a beautiful choice for some men. Right. But I still am not hearing what he gets in return.

01:06:35.480 So he can make more money.

01:06:37.380 Well, I just said he often statistically, if you get married, do better financially.

01:06:41.660 Right. You said he can make more money.

01:06:42.860 Are you aware of that?

01:06:43.920 Yeah. You said he can make more money that his family can spend.

01:06:47.020 So he gets to pay for more people.

01:06:49.700 Well, I didn't say that exactly, but that is true.

01:06:52.460 Yeah, that's true, which is fine.

01:06:54.520 That's true.

01:06:54.900 But I just, I personally, I want to actually, I think I maybe probably said it.

01:07:00.640 But are you aware of the social data about men and, and, and marriage and how men who

01:07:05.880 get married, they do do better typically not all, but overall economically.

01:07:12.180 And there's a reason for that.

01:07:13.180 They have a driving purpose in their life where they're working for the sake of their

01:07:17.400 family.

01:07:18.400 And also women who get married similarly, women who get married similarly, uh, are more

01:07:23.380 happier and satisfied according to social surveys.

01:07:26.160 So both men and women experience these advantages when they get married.

01:07:30.160 Right. In general, I'm not saying it's for everybody, but in general.

01:07:32.420 Yeah. I mean, they can they can make a survey that says that.

01:07:35.680 But when half of women are fat and a quarter of marriages are sexless, that's not really, you know, what we're seeing.

01:07:42.720 And the average marriage is eight years.

01:07:45.900 You could you could like put a survey in front of me.

01:07:48.600 But when every other person's getting divorced, even in even so-called conservative women, you could say that it doesn't mean it's true.

01:07:58.860 right i personally i think it's a bad deal i i think it's an unfavorable deal to men

01:08:04.600 would you get married pearl just curious i don't know you don't have to answer if you don't i don't

01:08:08.660 understand what my personal situation has to do with it i may i may not but my my question is for

01:08:16.320 men it's it's simply an unfavorable deal in my opinion and i just would love to hear if

01:08:22.160 conservatives are gonna say it's this beautiful awesome thing well it would be good to answer

01:08:28.280 the question, what do men get out of it? Well, the biggest thing that men would get, and women

01:08:35.020 get this exact same thing, when they're entering marriage with God as a sacrament, the whole point

01:08:41.640 of marriage is sanctification, a journey to heaven. And so the ultimate prize of marriage

01:08:47.120 would be heaven. And I'm not saying that you can't go to heaven without marriage. Of course you can

01:08:52.260 go to heaven without marriage, but it's a sanctification. It's a family, a school of love

01:08:57.280 for you to grow in virtue and grow in love of God and each other.

01:09:02.260 Right. But you said, but you said they can get heaven without it too.

01:09:06.520 Yeah. If you're called that way, it's not everyone, as I said before, not everyone's

01:09:10.080 called to get married. Okay. So, but some are, many are. Anything else they get out of it?

01:09:17.960 Well, I mean, heaven's pretty great. Uh, uh, being married to your best friend. I think that's a

01:09:23.100 beautiful thing. Children are absolutely a beautiful gift. Yeah, but children, they don't

01:09:29.880 need marriage to get that anymore. Yeah, just to finish, I think children are the crown of a

01:09:34.760 marriage. They're the most beautiful gift of a marriage as a child. And yes, you can have

01:09:39.620 children outside of marriage, but I would not recommend it. I don't think that's good for you

01:09:43.240 or the children. Well, what's the difference? Well, I think, I mean, I don't know your personal

01:09:49.200 experience but if you just live with someone and you'd stay together forever what's the difference

01:09:54.800 well i think that marriage is this public declaration before not just other people but

01:10:01.200 to god and it's a covenant where you're promising you know for life to love this person even inside

01:10:09.440 even with sacrifices exclusively faithfully to be open to life i think that's a beautiful thing i

01:10:15.920 I mean, I don't, but God doesn't stop these women from divorces.

01:10:22.060 I, I, there was someone in the, even the Catholic, I can't remember their name, but

01:10:25.900 even recently in the Catholic community, there was like, one of the worst divorces I ever

01:10:30.460 saw was from Michael Knowles' church that he went to in California.

01:10:34.220 Like the, one of the worst, most brutal.

01:10:36.520 So God's not, God's not stopping these women that want to leave.

01:10:40.520 So how is it like, I don't just don't see the difference.

01:10:44.000 Sure. I mean, I think maybe we're talking past each other a little bit, but some of those,

01:10:48.580 so look, we can talk about social data for a minute, right? So social data shows, this is a

01:10:54.160 survey that looked at the happiness of men, you know, their personal happiness, right?

01:10:59.300 And 43% of men who say that they're very happy with life are, and this is men in their 20s and

01:11:05.640 30s, were married. So the majority of the men who were very happy, or the largest single amount,

01:11:11.560 I should say, of the men who said they were very happy with life or were married. So I think

01:11:15.640 marriage absolutely can be a source of great happiness for people. Not all people. Again,

01:11:20.140 I'm not saying there aren't bad marriages. I'm not saying that divorce isn't a major problem.

01:11:24.500 Those are all true things. But I think we sometimes kick marriage like a dog in today's

01:11:28.600 culture. Like, oh, marriage is so bad. And marriage is worthless. Marriage is useless.

01:11:32.760 I think that's totally untrue. And marriage is beautiful. And it's a good thing ultimately.

01:11:37.500 Yeah, I would disagree because I think it gives the women leverage and that's why women really like it is because now they have legal power over the husband. So I think it can really change the dynamic almost negatively in favor of the woman.

01:11:51.360 so i mean it's an interesting perspective but i don't think you can really it's a good thing

01:11:57.240 yeah i don't really um and and you said virtue uh how can we tell if a woman's virtuous right

01:12:04.380 um her actions wouldn't you agree it's her actions not her words her actions

01:12:10.020 definitely i think that's a great point pearl i think you you can best know what someone's going

01:12:15.020 to do not by what they say necessarily but how they behaved um how they behave and their actions

01:12:20.560 actions do speak louder than words. Words matter too, but actions speak louder than words. I think

01:12:24.720 that's a very wise observation that you're making. Right. So if 95% of women aren't virgins on their

01:12:30.920 wedding days, like how can the guy really see that she's virtuous? Well, I would say in today's

01:12:38.320 culture, unfortunately, you know, you were kind of speaking, maybe alluding to this earlier, there

01:12:42.920 are a lot of sex, there's a lot of sexual promiscuity. So virginity is rare today. That is a

01:12:48.980 fact. I think it's kind of making a comeback in some ways. People are saying, Hey, it's normal

01:12:53.540 actually to not have sex before marriage. And that's a good thing. You know, people, I remember,

01:12:58.400 you know, when I was, uh, I remember being made fun of for being a virgin and unfortunately some

01:13:02.840 virgins are made fun of for that. Right. And that's a really gross thing that our culture

01:13:06.820 might do or people might do. But I think that I do think chastity and pure love, and at least in

01:13:12.340 some circles is making a comeback. I think that's a beautiful thing. And I also think people can

01:13:16.400 choose to recommit themselves to a life of chastity, even if they've lived a very rough

01:13:22.880 past. And I think then that happens. That's also very beautiful and good. Right. But there's

01:13:26.940 nothing like what's in it for the guy to do that when 70 to 80 percent of divorces are filed by

01:13:32.300 women, 90 percent of alimony payments are men to women. The majority of child support payments are

01:13:38.860 men to women. The average marriage is eight years. On average, he gets a 28, 27-year-old

01:13:47.040 non-virgin woman with X amount of sexual partners. What does he get for taking on this astronomical

01:13:55.160 risk? If he has two kids with a woman, she garnishes 40% of his income for 18 years.

01:14:02.000 And you don't believe in prenups. I've seen your tweet on that. You don't even think he can

01:14:06.860 mitigate against that. So if, if that's the case, you know, what does he get?

01:14:15.040 Well, again, I mean, I, I did mention some of the social data that women, men who are,

01:14:19.160 men who are married report that they're happier than men who are not. Men who are married actually

01:14:24.280 are more wealthy. I'm not saying, you're attributing the happiness to the women. So like

01:14:31.420 they're happy people. Women like happy men. Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So

01:14:37.100 there's a lot of social data that shows that men who are married are happier. They're more happy

01:14:40.660 with their sex lives. They're more happy overall, you know, report higher levels of satisfaction.

01:14:45.300 Also that they, you know, make more money. Again, I'm not saying that's directly because of the

01:14:49.760 marriage per se, but I'm saying that's important social data to look at because I do think there

01:14:55.240 is some fear mongering today about marriage being so bad. You know, you're just going to get

01:15:01.160 divorced. It's miserable. Everybody's out to get you. It's going to be terrible. Right. And I think

01:15:05.800 that we shouldn't live by fear or make decisions based off of fear. We should, yes, look at the

01:15:11.060 data, look at the information. But when we're considering marriage, if that's a desire that

01:15:15.080 somebody has, instead of looking at the broad brush of, oh, there's a lot of failed marriages

01:15:19.800 out there. There's a lot of bad, you know, people doing bad things out there. Instead, look at,

01:15:23.540 okay, what would I want in a marriage? What kind of marriage would I want in terms of a spouse?

01:15:29.080 Fear mongering. And I think they should look for people that share their values, share their,

01:15:35.220 you know, have virtues. And that is going to be the most secure kind of partnership to build,

01:15:40.160 as opposed to somebody that is not aligned with them, with their values, with that kind of core

01:15:45.300 foundation of what even marriage is, virtue, things like that. Right. But men, it's not really

01:15:50.520 fear-mongering when men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after divorce. I've

01:15:56.240 interviewed men who've had their kids transitioned. And this is not uncommon. It's not just a fringe

01:16:02.880 case. This happens all the time with women that are, I mean, we saw what happened to Stephen

01:16:06.980 Crowder. He married a virgin religious woman and she painted him as an abuser. So you keep like

01:16:15.780 diverting from the question. I'm just saying if he's going to take on this astronomical risk,

01:16:19.720 which could lead to indentured servitude which 18 years 40 percent of your income that's a ton of

01:16:25.780 money a ton and and not to mention reputation i've interviewed men where the women actually

01:16:32.500 called all of his business friends and ruined his business i've talked to men thrown in jail

01:16:37.840 i've talked to men that had their kids transition this is a huge risk lila it's not really fear

01:16:43.260 mongering when these are real cases and it's not uncommon so i don't think it's i think it's on i

01:16:49.360 don't think it's wrong of me to say that this could happen and ask the question, what does the

01:16:56.380 guy get out of this? What is his reward? Well, a few things. First of all, I think marriage,

01:17:02.460 the greater the risk, the greater the reward, right? Marriage is self-gift. Marriage is an

01:17:07.700 all-in and it's becoming one flesh with someone else. That is a huge risk. It's for richer or

01:17:12.300 for poorer. It's for better or for worth. It's in sickness and in health. And that does expose

01:17:16.820 someone. But there's also this incredible potential for beauty, right? As I was talking

01:17:21.460 about earlier, it's this covenant, it's a sacrament. You could bring life into the world.

01:17:25.240 You can raise a family together. This is the person that can be your best friend, your most

01:17:30.100 faithful companion. And I see marriages like this all the time. Those marriages exist and I don't

01:17:34.340 think they get enough air time. We don't talk about how good and beautiful marriage is designed

01:17:38.440 to be and can be. So I agree with you that there is chaos out there, that there are a lot of broken

01:17:43.460 marriages, that there's a lot of suffering, but I don't think that should hold people back to say,

01:17:47.900 well, then it's impossible for me. I can never have a beautiful or good marriage.

01:17:51.880 So why don't you think women want to get married today?

01:17:55.940 I think there's a lot of women who want to get married today.

01:17:58.340 Well, then why don't, I don't know. I don't know. You're talking about all women. Who are you

01:18:01.820 talking about? When you say women, you like to say women a lot. Do you, are you speaking about,

01:18:06.840 who are you exactly speaking about? Because it seems like it would be, I think, a much,

01:18:11.440 too much of an overgeneralization to say all women so what do you mean by women most women

01:18:16.120 don't want to get married when they have the most choice to the average age of married marriage is

01:18:20.220 around 30 so your argument is that your argument is that most women don't want to get married is

01:18:26.440 your position yeah if women wanted to how do i see what people want to do lila well based on what

01:18:32.840 i'm just trying to track your argument here uh pearl so you're saying i'm asking most women so

01:18:37.880 So you're saying most women don't want to get married. And the way you know that is because

01:18:41.320 there's a lot of unmarried women. That seems like a pretty. Yeah, it's the choice they make.

01:18:46.400 Yeah. Well, I know a lot of women who are married, so I don't know where you're kind of going with

01:18:50.540 this. There's certainly a lot of married women. There's unmarried women. How old are they? How

01:18:53.980 old are these married women? I mean, all on average, Gen Z, Gen Z only it's like 10, 15%

01:19:00.360 are married. So if you know women under because I'm the youngest millennial. So sure. So 27 and

01:19:07.160 younger, you can't know a ton because statistically the majority just are not married.

01:19:14.140 Okay. I, I'm what, what point are you had? You had a tweet. Um, and I can't remember the exact

01:19:22.800 tweet off the top of my, but I just want to know why you think you said there's a reason women

01:19:28.100 don't get married. So what is their reason? Why?

01:19:32.900 So you're asking me, why don't some women get married? I think there's going to be a lot of

01:19:37.120 reasons why some women don't get married. You can, there's a whole bunch of hypotheticals we

01:19:43.120 could create here. So, and we can do them for men too. And some of the reasons will be same,

01:19:46.440 some will be different. But I think some reasons women might not get married is because they feel

01:19:51.660 like it's not meaningful enough. It was just so sad, right? They think it's not like going to be

01:19:56.180 a beautiful thing. It's somehow a burden that having children is a burden. Unfortunately,

01:20:01.920 a lot of women today, not all, but there's definitely women today that see children as a

01:20:06.160 burden. And that's, you know, one of my, you know, projects of trying to speak to the beauty of

01:20:12.360 children, the beauty of marriage. Men are not threats. Men are not your competitors. Men are,

01:20:18.340 are, are good. They're good. And they are designed for being in partnership with women.

01:20:23.940 That's a good thing. So, you know, I think. What's that? Like partner, partnership. We're not equals.

01:20:32.640 i mean that may be your opinion but i think men and women have equal dignity

01:20:39.360 before and as as children of god so i mean that maybe you don't agree with that you you would say

01:20:46.140 you are you are less dignity than a man or i would say i have what's your position i would

01:20:51.200 say women have less value in terms of what they bring to a marriage and society um men you're

01:20:57.220 saying women don't have less value men produce 80 of the world's stuff i think men are smart

01:21:02.620 I think they're able, women have a tendency to do things in the least effective way possible.

01:21:09.460 And I don't think unequal is necessarily a bad, I don't think unequal is necessarily a bad thing.

01:21:15.100 I think there's hierarchy in the world, right?

01:21:16.780 I think it goes God, men, women, children.

01:21:19.740 Just because the kid has to listen to the mom, it doesn't mean the mom is,

01:21:25.020 it doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad thing.

01:21:27.360 It just means there's a hierarchy.

01:21:29.200 So just to be clear, Peril, do you think that women have less value than men or do women have

01:21:35.060 equal value to men? I would say women provide less value than men. Do women have the same value? Do

01:21:41.920 they possess it by nature of being a human being like men? Do they have the same value? It depends

01:21:46.400 to who and what. So you could say to God, but I'm not, I'm not overly, I'm not, I'm not overly

01:21:56.760 religious. But when I look at the value women bring in a marriage, I would say it's less than

01:22:03.340 men. Do you believe in universal human rights? I think so, but I don't necessarily know what

01:22:13.280 that would entail. But it sounds like something I would believe in. Do you think that men and

01:22:18.640 women should have the same basic human rights, like the right to life as an example?

01:22:22.960 um they should have the right to life voting not necessarily that i don't think so i don't think

01:22:30.140 there should be equal rights but should is a wish list it's never going to happen so so you think

01:22:35.680 that women shouldn't vote is your position i can't argue about this on i can't say the answer to that

01:22:41.480 and it's not because i don't want to but i i gotta stay youtube friendly but i could i could i could

01:22:47.920 I can't, I can't, I want to, but I can't, I can't, I just got re-monetized, but wait, so you're, so

01:22:54.340 you, I can't, I can't, I can't argue that I can't, I want to, but I can't. Um, but I, I just really

01:23:03.540 want to, you're saying you're afraid you'll be demonetized on YouTube for, I was demonetized

01:23:07.960 for that topic. So it's not an afraid, it's like that happened. So, um, I, but I still want to go

01:23:14.800 back to the question. I still haven't gotten to what men get out of marriage. I look at a lot of

01:23:20.120 things I can keep going if you want, but I'll go back to it. Cause I think marriage again, uh, you

01:23:25.260 can, it sounds like you're, you're talking about a lot of the negative things, the broken things

01:23:29.220 that can happen with marriage, which are all, I'm not going to say that's not that those things,

01:23:32.740 bad things don't happen. They absolutely can happen. And our culture is kind of a mess right

01:23:36.260 now with divorce and all of these other things. I agree with that, but marriage is beautiful.

01:23:40.020 marriage is about self-gift and it's about entering into a sacred covenant with another

01:23:45.440 soul, you know, imperfect soul, but another soul who's oriented towards the same end,

01:23:49.540 which is, I believe, heaven towards God ultimately. And it's the place where children deserve to be

01:23:55.380 born into. You know, I think that's another part of this conversation we're not maybe having enough

01:23:59.360 is that kids deserve to be in a household with married parents, with a married mother and a

01:24:06.480 married father. Now that's not the case, unfortunately for many children today,

01:24:09.900 but that is what we should strive towards. Yeah. That's what the kid gets out of marriage,

01:24:15.100 but not what the, I keep asking what the man, what does he get?

01:24:19.160 Well, I, you, you kind of dismissed the social data I mentioned and didn't respond to it. But

01:24:23.740 according to the social data, men who are married report the highest levels of satisfaction and

01:24:29.180 happiness, and they also earn the most. So that is an objective data point about how men, many men,

01:24:35.200 And not all, but many men in marriage fare very well.

01:24:38.360 Right.

01:24:38.840 They earn more, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have more take-home.

01:24:43.200 Well, they're happy.

01:24:44.680 I don't know about the take-home.

01:24:46.340 I mean, I think they earn more.

01:24:47.600 And yes, they do have more take-home.

01:24:48.920 And they're happy, too.

01:24:50.660 It's not just money, it's happiness.

01:24:52.340 Wouldn't you say that women marry happy men?

01:24:56.900 I mean...

01:24:57.660 In general?

01:24:58.160 When you met your husband, you didn't want a doomer.

01:25:01.700 You wanted a happy guy, right?

01:25:04.000 so it's i would i would discredit that because i think women select for happy men in general

01:25:10.480 so i just would love to hear like something do they get sex whenever they want that would be

01:25:15.280 a good selling point is that is it can they legally get that no well i mean i think people

01:25:22.400 who are married yes do have more sex according to social data and report higher levels of sexual

01:25:27.040 satisfaction yeah that is that is true okay so what do you think yeah promiscuous sex is not as

01:25:34.120 great as it's cracked up to be having a different partner every month and all the issues that come

01:25:38.780 with that you're you actually are more sexually satisfied in a marriage right if she sleeps with

01:25:44.620 you but a quarter of marriages are sexless so there's not even a guarantee there like you know

01:25:49.920 what i mean like if i was going to buy a product and there was a one out of four defective right

01:25:53.580 I'd be pissed. Yeah. I mean, I think you're looking at marriage in a very, through a very

01:25:59.440 utilitarian lens, instead of marriage being about this sacred covenant about self gift and about

01:26:05.820 ultimately, yeah, it's a spiritual thing. It's not just, Oh, what do I get out of it? And what

01:26:10.000 am I doing in it? It's about ultimately a beautiful gift of yourself to another person

01:26:15.480 with all the risks that come with that and the potential for new human life that you can bring

01:26:19.480 to the world. So I would just say, actually, to kind of maybe put a finer point in it for you,

01:26:25.540 I would say if you're a man or a woman, right, and you're thinking about marriage and you're

01:26:30.340 like, what am I going to get out of it? What am I going to get out of it? What am I going to get

01:26:33.100 out of it? And that's kind of the preoccupation. Then I would say, yeah, maybe you shouldn't get

01:26:36.180 married. Because if you go into marriage, either as a man or a woman, and it's all about what am

01:26:40.800 I going to get out of this, then I think you're going to be disappointed. Yeah, I think that's

01:26:45.440 easy to say when you're the woman and you accumulate pretty much no risk in marriage.

01:26:49.940 I think that's easy to say when you are the beneficiary. Well, isn't that your point? Isn't

01:26:53.520 part of your point, though, that men should, it sounds like your point is that men shouldn't get

01:26:56.800 married because they don't get enough out of it, right? I would say it's an unfavorable, I'd say

01:27:00.240 it's a bad deal. And that if conservatives want, like, if you want the babies that you, you know,

01:27:05.280 you say you want, like, you know, more people having kids, they're a gift, yada, yada. Well,

01:27:10.580 well, then maybe conservatives should try to have a better answer for this question.

01:27:16.060 Yeah. Well, again, I'm giving, you know, I'm speaking towards the fact that social data says

01:27:21.800 that 43% of men who are married say they're very happy versus only 21% of cohabitating men and only

01:27:28.380 20% of single men. So married men are objectively, according to the social data, reporting higher

01:27:34.420 levels of high happiness. Like I'm very happy than single men or cohabitating men. So that's

01:27:40.600 a data point that is important. It's through surveying. It's through surveying. Do you think

01:27:45.220 that's really the most accurate way to measure happiness of emotion that changes every single

01:27:50.940 day? Well, you ask people, generally speaking, are you, would you consider yourself happy,

01:27:55.640 unhappy? You know, there's a different way that you can. The wife's sitting there. She's like,

01:27:59.360 are you happy? He's like, yes. Are you saying the men are not telling the truth in the survey or

01:28:03.360 What's your position there? My position is a lot of people have a tendency. I think happiness

01:28:09.260 studies tend to be bullshit, and it's usually used by people that have an agenda to push.

01:28:14.360 That's my opinion on happiness surveys in general. Sure. Well, you can have your opinions

01:28:20.300 about surveys. That's fine. But I think the surveys are very illuminating. And I also think

01:28:26.560 that the data about wealth is very interesting, that married men, according to the data, are

01:28:32.400 wealthier than unmarried men. And even if they get divorced, they're still wealthier than they

01:28:37.380 would have been than the unmarried, undivorced man. So I think that's another important data

01:28:42.960 point. Where is that data from? That is it. Where is that from? I don't know if you're familiar with

01:28:46.620 Brad Wilcox, but he does. He sells marriage. I know his stuff. What's that? Yeah. He's. You don't

01:28:52.880 like him? No, it's, it's who funds his stuff. So who funds it? Okay. Yeah. So you're saying

01:28:58.280 his data is not correct. Well, it's when people are selling their religion, right? They have a

01:29:02.700 tendency to... I don't think he's selling religion, Pearl. I think he's just reporting data about the

01:29:07.780 financial status of men. But here's the thing, Lila. One, men don't want happiness. They want

01:29:15.280 peace. So I think that's the thing. You're equating what women want out of marriage instead

01:29:21.420 of what men want out of marriage. I don't think that's true at all, Pearl. I don't even think

01:29:27.240 I've used the word. I don't, I don't think you're right. I don't think you're, you don't think men

01:29:33.740 want peace? You don't think men want peace? Correctly. No, I think of course men, men, I,

01:29:39.600 who wouldn't want peace? I agree that I'm sure men want, many men want peace and I, a lot of

01:29:44.580 women want peace, but I don't, I don't think that's a, the characterization that I'm just

01:29:50.060 talking about women, marriage from a women's lens. I don't think that's accurate. I'm talking

01:29:54.240 about social data. I'm talking about men reporting, self-reporting that they're happier.

01:29:59.660 No, that study, that study.

01:30:01.760 Over 40% of men who are married. So you don't believe, you think the men are not telling the

01:30:05.640 truth?

01:30:06.160 I think that men want peace, women want happiness. So when you're saying that men get happiness out

01:30:10.640 of, out of a marriage, I'm saying, well, they want peace. So I'm saying you're equating women

01:30:16.520 want happiness, men want peace.

01:30:18.940 Sure. Yeah. I mean, I just don't think your position that, you know, men should never get

01:30:24.000 married and marriage is all bad is correct. I think that's completely incorrect. I think

01:30:27.900 social data proves otherwise. I think there's a tremendous amount of, you know, happily married

01:30:33.320 couples that would prove otherwise. So I don't, I think we should stop. I think we should look at

01:30:39.560 the data, of course, but also just look at the human design. I think we were designed for love.

01:30:44.520 I think we were made for love and love comes with risk. Of course it does. Loving any other person,

01:30:50.420 you know, that person, not only could they do something bad, they could die, they could get

01:30:54.240 sick. They could, you know, they could have certainly messed up. So love comes with risk,

01:30:58.260 but we are made for love to love and to be loved and marriage. I do believe there's graces that

01:31:04.000 you get in marriage, talking about this from the perspective of someone who enters marriage

01:31:08.120 with the lens of self gift. I'm doing this because I love this person. I want to get to heaven. I

01:31:12.900 want to serve God and other people. I believe there's real graces that God gives us. And,

01:31:17.900 you know, I see this in my personal life, you know, beautifully. I know that's a personal

01:31:23.340 example, but you know, God does give people grace to live out their vocations. And I believe if

01:31:28.060 someone is called to marriage and they become the best they can be, they meet someone, they have a

01:31:32.900 beautiful relationship, dating relationship, they really get to know them. And you think this is a

01:31:36.200 good person that I want to build a life project with. I think that can be an incredibly beautiful

01:31:40.500 and good thing. And they can bring children into the world. That's how civilization will even

01:31:44.480 stand. You know, that's why we can even have any kind of a healthy civilization. If we have

01:31:48.280 healthy marriages and families, we should celebrate that and support that. Right. I just don't think

01:31:53.460 it's realistic. I don't think it's common. And, and I would say it's been a little disheartening

01:31:58.460 because I was a consumer of a lot of conservative content, right? The last decade, you know,

01:32:02.920 before I was even a YouTuber and a lot of people with the same talking points you have ended up

01:32:07.860 getting divorced. So it's like, even the people pushing this stuff, can't keep it together.

01:32:13.360 I hope people are married. I know. I mean, yes, there's a lot of divorce. I agree. That's a really

01:32:19.780 bad thing. We're in agreement. There's a lot of people who are, who are married still, and it's

01:32:24.760 very, very beautiful. And, you know, I think, I think, you know, it does seem like you have made

01:32:30.780 up your mind, Pearl. And, you know, at least at this stage, and I don't know all the personal

01:32:35.280 reasons for that or the reasons for that beyond what you've maybe shared on this, in this

01:32:38.760 conversation, but, you know, objectively speaking, according to data and according to both

01:32:43.280 financial data and survey data. There's a ton of married men

01:32:46.300 who are very happy and doing well. And also marriage is a

01:32:50.540 sacrament. I believe it's a covenant. It's designed for

01:32:52.820 more than what I what I get out of it. But it's designed for

01:32:55.640 what I actually tell you, I could tell you what gave me this

01:32:58.460 thing. I could tell you what gave me this opinion. It's fake.

01:33:03.140 Tell me it's fake trad cons. That no, and I'm gonna I'm gonna

01:33:07.700 read. Do you want to know what I do? You don't want to know

01:33:09.620 what that is? Do you know what that is? Tell me? Yeah, tell me,

01:33:12.260 Tell me why you, if I'm, if I don't want to mischaracterize your position, but it sounds

01:33:16.580 like you're saying marriage is bad. It's not worth it. No man should get married. Is that

01:33:21.020 your position or am I misreading you? My position is it's a bad deal for men.

01:33:26.320 So to, would you say then would it be then therefore men should not get married would

01:33:30.660 be your kind of, do you think it's in your place? Do you think it's your place as a woman to tell

01:33:34.940 men what to do? Well, I, I, I'm not, again, I'm not going to go tell any specific man you should

01:33:41.620 get married or you should not, because I don't know what he should do. I can say, generally

01:33:45.140 speaking, marriage is good for a lot of people and it's a beautiful gift and we need more healthy

01:33:49.940 marriages. So you're kind of making it, you know, you're kind of moving the goalposts a little bit.

01:33:53.840 Do you think it's your place as a woman to tell men what to do?

01:33:58.400 I mean, if, if you're, let's kind of break that down. Are you saying, uh, I can't, as a woman say,

01:34:04.820 you know, we should have homicide laws that stop men and women from killing people. Then yeah,

01:34:09.800 in that sense, I guess I'm telling men what to do because I think we should have those laws. So

01:34:13.360 in their house, I think it depends what you mean by your, I think it depends what you mean by your

01:34:16.860 question. Do you think it's in your place to tell men what to do in their house? Do you think that's

01:34:21.560 your place as a woman? I mean, I would not go around and I do not go tell individual men what

01:34:28.420 to do in their houses. No, unless they're like, you know, coercing, doing bad, you know, coercing

01:34:34.380 bad activities or something. And then I'm, I'm, you know, educating about the bad activity saying

01:34:38.260 it's bad. So I don't know where you're going with this. So if they're coercing, if they're doing

01:34:42.900 coercive activities, you're going to tell them it's bad. Well, I'm going to continue. I mean,

01:34:49.000 you've probably seen my content, Pearl. I'm going to continue to educate people about

01:34:52.660 and work on exposing things that I think are truly bad in our culture, abortion being the worst

01:34:59.620 and helping people see how horrific it is and reject it. And that includes to men as well as

01:35:06.060 to women. So I'm not going to be like, well, I can't tell men that these behaviors are bad

01:35:10.440 because I'm a woman. I think that would be a, um, a mistake. Yeah. So what kind of behaviors

01:35:16.300 are you telling men are bad? Well, again, I think it's, it's more like, for example,

01:35:21.560 when it comes to, uh, sexual ethics, I've been pretty open with my content about the harm of

01:35:28.320 pornography and the harm of promiscuity. And I think that's a message, not just for men,

01:35:33.280 that's a message for women too so but but you you will not you you will tell men what to do

01:35:39.280 when it comes to sexual promiscuity I saw you do with Justin Waller so you're gonna tell men

01:35:45.640 what they should do when it comes to porn and sexual promiscuity yes yeah I'm gonna say don't

01:35:52.980 do not look at porn I'm gonna say do not be sexually promiscuous and it's for your good

01:35:57.520 And that's why I think you're a feminist, because I think that any woman that nags men and tells men what to do is a feminist.

01:36:05.740 And so I would say that I'm against fake trad.

01:36:09.180 You are always entitled to your opinions, including on your channel.

01:36:12.160 Yeah, totally. So when I when I say a fake trad con, this is what I say.

01:36:18.700 They use Jesus and religion to make money.

01:36:21.640 They use their kids and their husband.

01:36:23.480 And some of these apply to you, I would say, but some don't.

01:36:25.940 So don't take all of them as they use their kids and their husband as a way to get clout.

01:36:31.260 So you'll often see the women posting their kids on Twitter.

01:36:34.660 There's pedophiles on Twitter.

01:36:36.480 I don't know why the hell they're doing that.

01:36:38.260 So they'll say they'll try to sell me marriage.

01:36:40.400 Right.

01:36:41.500 But you're putting your kid on an app for clout that has weird people on it.

01:36:48.580 And you want to say you're in a traditional marriage that that makes me think women, even

01:36:53.180 the conservatives ones aren't taking it too seriously, you know, and they're using their

01:36:57.220 husband for clout. Um, I'd say undercover feminists tell men what to do and how to run

01:37:03.720 their household. So I think nagging men and their behavior, I just think it's out of place. Who are

01:37:09.220 you to do that? Um, you're a woman. I think it's out of order, um, for using shame, guilt, insult,

01:37:16.360 and need to be right in an attempt to nag men into changing their behavior. Um, they also tend

01:37:21.900 to use this to shame the male sex drive. So for example, you guys will say that cornography is

01:37:27.740 like the worst thing ever, but you never criticize women for delaying marriage. Really, the corn

01:37:33.620 problem would be solved if most women married their high school boyfriends, but we choose not

01:37:38.620 to do that. That's a complete false statement. I'll keep going. You can respond, but I want to get

01:37:42.560 through all of them. So they use shame, guilt. You could take notes and then you can go through

01:37:46.900 them one by one. I'll give you like two minutes. So they use shame, guilt, insult, and the need

01:37:52.020 to be, oh, I read that one. If a woman does something sexually immoral, it's always the

01:37:56.200 man's fault. So what they, what you guys tend to do is, um, for example, you'll say that the women

01:38:02.780 were coerced. Um, you'll give get out of jail free cards to the women that, you know, did cam work

01:38:09.140 for Tate, but Tate is the villain for making money off of it. Just an example. Um, the fake

01:38:15.440 conservative women, they tend to claim to be pure. So what they do is they have a tendency to say

01:38:21.280 that they were virgins on their wedding day or didn't make liberal decisions. But when I look

01:38:26.200 at their choices, the purity is it's always unverifiable. I can't verify it. It's always,

01:38:31.320 I have to believe them. They generally marry after 25. They use the relationship for clout

01:38:37.560 and generally the sex, like women on average lose their virginity at 16. So I just have to

01:38:42.720 blindly believe that in a decade, you did nothing. It might work on your, you guys is not you, but

01:38:47.960 you guys is simp husbands. It doesn't work on me. Um, fake trad con women, um, tend to call

01:38:54.600 themselves virgins, but they have workarounds like backdoor blowjobs, fingering, et cetera.

01:39:00.100 Fake trad con women have a tendency to platform sex workers or former hoes,

01:39:04.420 even without verifying their story is correct. I saw you do this with Nala. Um, you know, she was,

01:39:10.300 even when she came on your show, she still had pretty provocative pictures on her Instagram.

01:39:15.020 Net wasn't called out for it. Softball interview. Fake trad cons tend to care more about money

01:39:21.040 and being right than being honest. They have a tendency to get caught in money laundering schemes.

01:39:27.400 They tend to pay themselves exorbitant amounts of money in the name of God. Trad cons have a

01:39:34.320 tendency. Nala did this to convert when it's convenient. And generally they are not religious

01:39:39.520 before they made money off of God. Tradcons tend to demonize male sin and downplay female sin. For

01:39:45.720 example, a former hoe or so I said this one church is generally the last stop on the whore train and

01:39:52.580 tradcons make sure it's really easy for them. Conservative women have a tendency to think that

01:39:57.820 they do hard work when really they just talk into a microphone. They have a tendency to tell me

01:40:02.800 they'll pray for me or insinuate why do you think this way and it's a shaming tactic to say I'm

01:40:08.420 broken, bitter, et cetera. Um, uh, they have a tendency to use God as a way to be passive

01:40:14.140 aggressive. They talk too much. They're not hot and generally nobody likes them. So that's,

01:40:19.400 that's really what drove me away and gave me the opinions I had was I just saw women that did all

01:40:23.920 of these things. And, um, yeah, it was like, if this is who's selling marriage, then God helped

01:40:30.540 the men go ahead i'll i'll give you to respond as long as you want thank you pearl well first of all

01:40:38.800 i think you are living in this fantasy world that reduces human beings to say that men and women

01:40:46.400 can't speak truth to each other that we can't you know this idea you can't speak truth because it's

01:40:50.760 a man listening i think that's ridiculous um i don't think men and women need to be a constant

01:40:55.760 war with each other i think your whole worldview is that men and women are a constant war with

01:41:00.360 each other. We need to just fight each other because we're always going to hurt each other.

01:41:04.280 And well, yes, there's sin in this world and we do hurt each other. There is also virtue in this

01:41:09.400 world. There's also love in this world because of God's grace. We can choose what is right. And

01:41:13.600 there are beautiful thriving marriages. The social data shows us that men who are married actually

01:41:18.820 fare better financially, that men who are married by a large degree report more happiness than men

01:41:23.920 who are cohabitating or men who are single. That data, I think, should give people hope because

01:41:29.440 there is this push today, not just by your platform, but by others, including on the left.

01:41:34.680 I think the left is actually especially pushing anti-marriage narratives even more than you or

01:41:38.820 a few people kind of adjacent to the right saying, oh, marriage isn't worth it or just be, you know,

01:41:43.520 do what you want to do sexually doesn't matter. You know, morals don't matter. But I think that

01:41:47.760 the moral path is given to us for our flourishing and putting sex back in marriage where it belongs

01:41:53.600 is given to us for both men and women's flourishing. And it's also given to us for the

01:41:58.660 flourishing of children because children deserve to be in a household with a loving mother and a

01:42:03.260 loving father who are committed to each other for life. And that, that project is absolutely possible.

01:42:08.560 Even if you come from a broken background, I know people who have come from extreme broken

01:42:12.320 backgrounds, divorces, cheating, all kinds of horrible things. And they have faithfully been

01:42:17.100 married for 40, 50 years. And they are an incredible testament to the power of saying,

01:42:21.580 I am strong. I can love, I can choose to do what is right, even when it's hard. And I'm going to

01:42:25.880 commit to this person for life. And they're going to be, we're going to be in this together and

01:42:28.740 raise a beautiful family together. There are tons of those stories. They may not always be on

01:42:32.200 YouTube channels or on the internet, but there are tons of those stories in our communities

01:42:35.000 across the country. And those give me a lot of hope as well as of course, looking at the social

01:42:38.640 data. And I think the other thing that we need to say about marriage here is that marriage isn't

01:42:42.240 just about what I can get. Marriage is also about what I can give. And I think that that lens of

01:42:47.100 understanding that marriage is about the gift of yourself for the other person going all in

01:42:51.340 helps us understand that life isn't about me. Life is about together serving other people and

01:42:56.560 building a project in care of other people. In the case of a marriage, the children that you

01:43:00.960 might bring into the world. And if we, I think, uphold marriage as a beautiful thing, not for

01:43:06.660 everyone, not everyone is called to marriage. You don't have to be married, I think, to be happy or

01:43:11.100 to be fulfilled, but that it is a beautiful calling for many and even most people, and that we should

01:43:15.700 equip people with the tools to be more happily married by helping them grow in virtue, helping

01:43:21.440 them with things like having good role models, good mentor couples. I think this is where people

01:43:25.600 should really get involved in faith communities, Pearl, because I think it's very hard to, you

01:43:30.380 know, stay married even in a culture like ours. I know you don't like me, you know, blaming the

01:43:34.460 culture. People should take responsibility. Of course, people should take responsibility, but

01:43:37.400 the culture is pretty toxic today. And so I think people need to find faith. They need to find

01:43:42.400 belief in God and a higher power. They need to look at a moral pathway that is designed for

01:43:47.460 our flourishing and then to get in community with other people who are living the same way.

01:43:51.840 I think that's really important because if your community is like just an online community or

01:43:55.640 your community is people that are just down and out and really upset and kind of always griping

01:43:59.300 about how bad the world is and they're not wanting to commit, they're not wanting to love. Yes,

01:44:02.880 you might feel yourself pretty miserable, pretty hopeless. But if you get plugged in with a

01:44:07.120 community where there are healthy marriages, there are thriving families as I'm blessed to be. And I

01:44:11.080 know many people who are blessed to be I think there's an opportunity for more hope and you're

01:44:16.160 getting closer to not the dysfunction but the functional marriages that exist you can learn

01:44:21.600 from those married couples you can find married couples that you can say hi how did you do it how

01:44:25.840 did you how did you you know date and find a good spouse how did you you know build this project

01:44:30.860 together and weather the storms together and then you make faith a part of your life and you pray to

01:44:35.240 God I do think faith is crucial for all of us men and women to ask God God what do you want me to do

01:44:39.780 with my life? How, how do you want me to live? What's your purpose for me? And I think God can

01:44:44.480 guide you and give you hope and consolation. So you're not living with fear in knowing how you

01:44:50.400 should direct your life and the decisions that you should make. You're still listing. One last

01:44:56.040 thing. Actually, I need to say one last thing to address something you said. Thanks for listening.

01:45:00.720 You said this thing, you made this comment, you had a lot of comments you made, but the comment

01:45:04.440 about men, you know, are looking at pornography because they're not, they're being denied marriage.

01:45:09.500 I think that was, largely speaking, the point, which is, I think, a crazy point.

01:45:13.760 I think pornography is a poison.

01:45:15.320 Corn, corn, corn, corn, corn.

01:45:16.800 Sorry, excuse me.

01:45:17.640 Cornography is a poison inside and outside of marriage.

01:45:20.160 So just because someone's married, getting married is not going to solve sexual addiction

01:45:25.020 issues if someone has them.

01:45:27.460 Getting married is not going to solve, you know, vices that someone might have, right?

01:45:31.920 They will bring those into the marriage and they will need to work on those, right?

01:45:35.420 So I think just saying like, oh, marriage is going to solve corn addictions.

01:45:38.860 the wife getting fat or sexual addiction. I think that's actually not a good argument to make.

01:45:43.360 Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of it's the wife getting fat too. Um, but you're still,

01:45:48.500 I think that's totally untrue, but we can agree. 80% of women gain 20 pounds or more in the first

01:45:53.340 five years of marriage. 80%. 20 pounds is a lot. That's a lot of fat. Well, I, I'm going to guess

01:46:00.300 a lot of that. I do think there's a lot of weight gain around getting pregnant and sometimes it can

01:46:04.620 be hard to lose the weight after pregnancy. That's an excuse. My mom ran a marathon. You

01:46:09.740 guys are soft. But you keep listing stuff. I would still go back to everything you listed

01:46:17.040 was that men should sacrifice for society. So you still have a list of anything they

01:46:21.980 get. Just to be clear, Pearl, men and women. Just to be clear, Pearl, this is really important.

01:46:26.160 Men and women. It's not like, oh, men should be the sacrificial ones and women shouldn't

01:46:31.180 sacrifice. No, in a marriage, you go all in a hundred percent, the woman and the man, it should

01:46:35.660 not be, I'm going to leave some cards on the table. What are women's duties? What are women's duties in

01:46:43.220 a marriage? To love their husbands faithfully, exclusively, of course, to be open to being a

01:46:51.060 mother. I think, I think that is a duty and to be a nourishing, loving, nurturing mother. If

01:46:57.760 they're able to have children, of course, some women are not able to have children to respect

01:47:02.100 their husbands, to try to make their husband's lives better, easier. Should they obey their

01:47:07.180 husbands in all things? Largely speaking. Yeah, they should. I think there's a largely speaking

01:47:13.180 biblical. I think there's an important biblical teaching about submission. And I think the

01:47:18.260 husband is the tiebreaker. And that's a good thing in a household. Okay, but women aren't having kids.

01:47:27.760 I mean, again, you're kind of painting the broad brush.

01:47:32.000 There's definitely a lot of women that are having kids.

01:47:34.820 Some women don't want kids, and I think that's tragic for many of them.

01:47:38.000 Statistically not true.

01:47:39.640 If women are having kids, they're having kids in their 30s, which you have a much higher

01:47:42.980 likelihood of having a kid with autism or something else wrong with it.

01:47:49.760 So how does that relate back to what we were discussing?

01:47:52.880 Well, I'm asking what women's duties are.

01:47:55.200 They're not having kids.

01:47:56.460 So what are, what do the men get?

01:47:58.300 What do the women have to bring to the table?

01:48:00.240 Well, I think, I do think it is a duty of marriage to be open to life.

01:48:04.120 So I think if you go into marriage and saying, I'm not going to have any kids, I don't want

01:48:06.800 kids.

01:48:07.360 It's a burden.

01:48:08.080 I don't, I think that's an anti-marriage ultimately attitude.

01:48:11.620 Yeah.

01:48:11.940 And I totally agree, but that's not what women are doing.

01:48:15.680 That's like, again, it goes back to the idealistic and realistic.

01:48:19.420 Well, but Pearl, again, I think you're nice versus what is, you know, men are like,

01:48:24.980 That sounds great. My wife not getting fat. That sounds great. That sounds great. A 22 year old

01:48:32.780 that wants to get married. That sounds great. Where are they? I mean, I, I, again, I, I know

01:48:39.300 you don't like to use personal examples. You kind of make these broad brush generalizations, but,

01:48:43.200 um, you know, there absolutely are statistically many people getting married. There are millions

01:48:48.680 of married people in this country. Uh, so I, I don't know what you're, where you're going with

01:48:53.620 the point. If your point is that marriage is in disarray, if your point is that it's, you know,

01:48:57.580 can be hard to get married in today's culture. I agree with you on all that. I don't think you

01:49:00.860 disagree on that. My point is that conservative. And here's another data point. The fertility rate

01:49:06.780 in faith communities is usually much higher. So you're going to have people who are faith-based

01:49:13.500 having more kids. And why is that, right? The reason for that is they're going into marriage

01:49:18.940 with an understanding of what the purpose is and they're supporting each other in the beautiful

01:49:23.240 project of building families so that's again another reason why faith is such a key component

01:49:29.080 i think to everything here especially with regard to healthy marriages my point is that trad cons

01:49:35.240 have a tendency to list all of the things men need to do and sacrifice and not have women do anything

01:49:42.920 in return or little to nothing nothing is more important to women than their selfish desires

01:49:50.200 and that's what they tend to do. So I wish it wasn't so, but that's the market.

01:49:59.720 All right. I mean, like I said, you can paint as many generalizations as you,

01:50:03.800 you want all day long about women, about men, and I can keep coming back with data about married

01:50:09.720 men being happier and about married men being, you know, having more financial success, things

01:50:15.800 like that. So those are key data points. I know you've kind of dismissed them, although those

01:50:19.400 don't really count but they don't count i do think that you know the negativity about marriage is a

01:50:24.680 is a problem today i think that marriage is a beautiful beautiful good thing that has made a

01:50:31.080 lot of people um a lot a lot of people choose it they build a project together they bring life into

01:50:36.600 the world i think without marriages and strong marriages we don't really have we're not going

01:50:40.920 to have a functioning society and the biggest problems in society are because of a breakdown

01:50:45.320 of the family well right but that goes to what society gets out of marriage not men

01:50:50.280 so you just kind of diverted it now it's like what is society well we get a safe society you

01:50:54.680 are way talking past me my friend you're you're i'm actually listening very i'm listening very

01:51:00.200 closely sounds like you have a script you repeat again and again and you're not i don't know that

01:51:04.600 we're talking to each other right now because you know i i am talking about men that you know

01:51:10.120 statistically speaking report being happier in marriage they're more financially successful in

01:51:15.400 marriage and you keep saying well you're not talking about what men get out of marriage but

01:51:18.920 it's like you didn't hear what i i just said are you hearing what i would say that the divorce

01:51:23.960 stats cancel out the marriage stats because men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after

01:51:29.000 a divorce and more veterans have committed suicide than all of the world wars combined

01:51:33.720 and a good percentage of those were horrible. Yeah. A good percent were from when the Iraq

01:51:40.580 war happened and they came back and their wife was banging some dude, you know, you know how it

01:51:44.800 goes. Yeah. I mean, I think that's absolutely heartbreaking. So, but I don't think that the

01:51:50.880 risk of divorce means that someone should not pursue marriage, especially if they're feeling

01:51:55.980 called to it. I don't think that risks, I mean, you get in a car and you risk getting in a car

01:52:01.720 accident and you risk dying, right? Life is full of risks. So the question is, how will I live my

01:52:07.420 life? Love is a risk. Bringing a child into the world is a risk. Love is a risk. So I'm not going

01:52:13.900 to say, oh, you're going to be so safe. Everything's going to be easy. There's never going to be a

01:52:17.300 problem in your life. But I will say, according to the social data, men who are married report

01:52:22.640 that they are very happy, significantly more than men who cohabitate or men who are single.

01:52:27.600 that is survey data with men themselves saying, this is how I experienced my life. It's their

01:52:33.220 information. So you can choose to believe it or not. And men are financially who are married.

01:52:38.060 They do better than men who are unmarried. And even those men who get divorced are still doing

01:52:43.140 better than the men who never got married in the first place. Right. But I would still say that the

01:52:49.060 divorce rate when the average marriage is seven to eight years, that does cancel out pretty much

01:52:53.720 everything you said. I don't think that applies at all. I would say that when men are nine times

01:53:00.160 more likely to commit suicide, that cancels that out. Women mostly put men on child support and

01:53:06.340 alimony. I would say that cancels it out. I would say when a man has to risk 40% of his income up

01:53:12.620 to 18 years, that's a long time. So there's also, if we want to talk more about data here, there's

01:53:18.220 also the data about, again, back to the faith communities and people who have faith, people who

01:53:23.820 seek a higher purpose for their marriage, for their lives. There are surveys that show that

01:53:29.360 those that pray together in their marriage and attend weekly church services, the divorce rate

01:53:34.000 can be as low as 2%. Yeah, I've seen that, but it's a pretty small sample size is one problem

01:53:40.180 with that study. And the other issue is it's taking people in the back. That's a pretty good,

01:53:44.420 Those are, I mean, are those good odds in your, in your mind?

01:53:47.920 Well, the, if I thought they were accurate, they would be, but it's, again, you guys always want

01:53:52.640 to push religion and that's what you guys are selling in general. So what you guys tend to do

01:53:57.460 is you take these studies and extrapolate them like they mean something, but they're very small

01:54:01.740 sample sizes. One, you include Gen X and boomer women, which were in very different circumstances

01:54:08.300 than the women today is problem number two.

01:54:11.240 They also included millennials

01:54:13.280 in the divorce rate for that study.

01:54:16.400 So the challenge is if the average merit,

01:54:18.800 so I'm a millennial.

01:54:20.300 So you just dismissed the study

01:54:23.240 about those that pray together and go to church.

01:54:25.240 Well, divorce rates as low as 2%.

01:54:26.540 What's this, you said it's too small as a sample.

01:54:28.600 Well, I'd say, well, the other issue,

01:54:30.880 I can't remember off the top of my head,

01:54:32.680 but I've looked at it before.

01:54:34.380 The other issue is that is-

01:54:35.580 Okay, so you're just assuming it's too small.

01:54:36.760 I mean, here's the thing.

01:54:37.560 I'm not, I've read it before, but the, the, it was kind of a lot, you know, if you gave me a list

01:54:42.560 before the debate, I could have went through it, but the, which is fine. I didn't expect you to do

01:54:47.440 that. But the other, the other challenge, um, you have with it is they include, and I, I, the reason

01:54:53.560 I'm saying this is because I want people to be, it to be accurate and people to be informed about

01:54:58.360 how they tend to lie to you to push their religion. I'm not saying it's malicious. I don't,

01:55:03.020 I mean, here's here's here's something. The challenge is if you include millennial women, you're including people that haven't divorced yet, because if the average divorce is it's around eight years.

01:55:14.160 Then when the kids hit high school, if you make it past 25, you're you're kind of going to make it.

01:55:19.140 But statistically, but they're including people that haven't divorced yet is one challenge in very sect communities.

01:55:27.520 So go ahead. I'm I'm curious how you see risk, because I think it's like a worldview question. Right.

01:55:32.600 So I've been talking about the fact that men who are married are more financially successful than

01:55:37.360 men who are unmarried. And then even men who divorce are still more financially successful

01:55:41.800 than the men who never married. You know, the surveys that show that men who are married report

01:55:46.040 higher levels of happiness than men who are unmarried or men cohabitating. So there's all

01:55:50.060 that data, right? And then there's all the anecdotes. We could talk about that as well.

01:55:53.000 We could talk about faith communities and the divorce rate being low as 2% in faith communities.

01:55:57.040 So we can talk about all of that. But I think what underpins, it sounds like to me, your worldview

01:56:02.220 is this idea of risk well bad things could happen in some cases men you know may experience it may

01:56:07.660 get divorced right and then they might you know be suicidal and there's this horrific there's tons

01:56:12.380 of horrific story horror stories out there right so i'm curious like when you get in your car like

01:56:17.100 i don't know if you drive or you walk where you live but when you get in your car you are taking

01:56:20.300 the risk you're taking a risk of your own life actually because there are car accidents i think

01:56:24.940 it's like one out of every hundred people are going to get in a car accident right so you're

01:56:28.460 taking this risk of getting in a car accident and possibly risking your life but you still get in

01:56:31.820 your car so how do you decide i'm curious how do you decide how you choose what risks to take and

01:56:38.220 how do you what is your do you have a recommendation for how people should weigh risks or you're just

01:56:42.540 saying i'm putting the risk information out there men naturally weigh the risk versus the reward

01:56:47.420 if you had you responded i've been asked do you ever talk about the rewards of marriage parole

01:56:52.380 right if if there were some now like a hundred years ago there's any rewards to marriage are

01:56:57.500 you gonna let me finish or no okay so a hundred years ago men got a virgin bride at like 22.

01:57:04.060 they got a young hot wife um that had been with zero other men and they got like six kids

01:57:10.540 risk versus reward that's a pretty good reward today they get an ex-ho or someone that says they

01:57:17.260 weren't a hoe but still marrying around 30. so it's like what were you doing the last decade

01:57:21.660 don't have to believe you um three that they also get one maybe two kids half the time it's

01:57:29.400 gonna be via ivf um they get no she's actually paid to leave you and steal your children and

01:57:36.040 ruin your reputation and if you start a business you can take that too um half the time they don't

01:57:42.000 even want to stay home so if i think and i'm i'm just you know putting myself in a man's shoes

01:57:48.300 40% of my income for 18 years for an ex-ho that'll give me one kid that could be retarded

01:57:58.120 because she's having it in her thirties. I don't know if that's the best sell. And I keep saying,

01:58:03.840 well, what do I get? And then you guys say, well, my study says they'll be happier. And I'm like,

01:58:08.760 well, does the woman stay fit? Does she have to have sex with him? Well, we can't say that.

01:58:14.480 Well, this isn't a great sell. There's no God in divorce court. And I've seen women

01:58:20.920 that were more religious than you, Lila, that did terrible things. God awful thing. Women that

01:58:28.340 aren't on the internet, women that had like 10 kids and married at 22 and they did terrible

01:58:35.020 things. I don't think that's the same thing as a car accident. If I get in my car, every ride,

01:58:42.500 There's not like a 15% chance that somebody is going to ruin my life for 20 years.

01:58:48.060 That's a pretty big risk.

01:58:50.560 So I would recommend that people look up those that are listening to the show right now,

01:58:55.300 look up the statistics, the information, the survey data on men's wealth who are married,

01:59:01.360 sexual, you know, the amount of sex people have and how happy they are, their sex lives.

01:59:05.020 They don't care about money.

01:59:06.460 They care about their kids.

01:59:09.300 They want to see their children.

01:59:11.300 See, this is the same.

01:59:12.180 This is the problem.

01:59:13.040 You're talking about money before their kids.

01:59:15.100 They want to be there.

01:59:15.940 I think we're totally talking past each other right now.

01:59:17.160 No, they want to be there from birth till the kid is 18.

01:59:21.400 I know men, they'll spend money.

01:59:23.160 They don't, like, they'll give up.

01:59:25.140 Like, money isn't the end of the world, but it's paying for a wife that's screwing another

01:59:30.520 dude and spending more time with your kid than you are.

01:59:33.180 That's hell.

01:59:33.860 That's death.

01:59:34.420 If men want to have children, if men don't want children, they shouldn't get married.

01:59:38.160 But if men want to have children, the best way to protect their rights is actually getting married.

01:59:43.920 If you are a single father who's not married, you know, the woman that you had the child with is you're not married to her.

01:59:51.600 You will have less rights, actually, for your child.

01:59:54.560 So if you're arguing that, you know, men who want kids shouldn't be married because of marriage being, you know, some sort of a threat to their rights, actually being a man who's not married, having a woman that with having a child with a woman, you have less rights in that situation.

02:00:07.800 And he can get more rights with a surrogate if we want to go down that route.

02:00:11.820 Well, then the child isn't being raised by the woman you love and the mother.

02:00:15.520 So that's a problem.

02:00:17.400 So I think when you can't kidnap the child either.

02:00:21.240 There's pros and cons for everything.

02:00:23.680 It seems to me that you are recommending, you know.

02:00:27.140 You keep saying marry these hoes.

02:00:30.520 That's what I keep hearing.

02:00:31.340 It seems to me.

02:00:32.740 Man up, man up.

02:00:33.300 You're very funny.

02:00:34.220 it seems that's why you had um what's her face on redhead porn star pearl it seems to me that

02:00:40.220 you're saying that you know it's not worth the risk doesn't check out in the end don't you know

02:00:44.900 you're not saying don't do it because you say well i would never tell anyone to do but you're

02:00:47.740 kind of you know pushing really hard that's a lot of your i'm saying give them something lila

02:00:52.520 give them something but again i just say look up that i know we got a wrap here it's we just hit

02:00:57.400 the seven o'clock button here but listen look up the information happier more happiness uh you know

02:01:04.200 yes, men who are married are financially more successful. It is one of the most beautiful

02:01:08.860 things. If you're called to it, you can do it with your life. And Pearl, thank you for chatting with

02:01:13.580 me. It's great to talk. Yeah. Thanks for coming on. All the best, my friend. You too. Thank you,

02:01:20.480 Pearl. Do you want to, do you want to tell them where to find you? If they want to look. Sure.

02:01:23.740 Thank you. Liveaction.org, join the fight to end abortion and save lives. It's the most beautiful

02:01:28.140 thing you could do is to help save a life. And we get to see that every single day lives being saved.

02:01:32.000 and then you can go check out my show over at Lila Rose, uh, show on YouTube.

02:01:36.360 I do wish you luck in banning abortion. I wouldn't bet on it, but I do, I do actually

02:01:40.520 wish we're going to work our, we're going to work hard and pray hard and it's going to happen. Pearl.

02:01:44.160 All right. Thanks for coming. God bless. Yeah. Um, as I said, guys, when men win,

02:01:52.320 everyone wins when women win, they tend to win for themselves. What'd you guys think? Did you have

02:01:57.220 fun? I'd have her back. I liked her actually. But if you're going to, if you're going to come on,

02:02:04.380 if you're going to come in the kitchen, I'm going to cook. So I got, I got no, she can come back.

02:02:15.300 Oh my gosh.

02:02:19.840 Good show. Yeah. You guys had fun. All right. If you guys want, if you want to support me,

02:02:24.560 women do ruin my life when i do these things they send their i don't think lila seems like a nice

02:02:29.500 enough woman um but in general they tend to send their followers after me and doing this stuff man

02:02:36.080 it's not for the faint of heart so if you can join my members only community at some point you will

02:02:40.540 get to meet me if you join that um and i also bring on the smart intelligent men that i know

02:02:45.640 and the occasional woman but let's not get carried away

02:02:49.700 um the occasional woman to also come on and it's a one-time lifetime purchase and you're

02:02:58.980 basically buying in because we're new uh saying pearl is going to interview people for life

02:03:03.960 and um i i at some point we're going to have some big names where you can actually directly

02:03:11.600 ask them questions we're still getting it going but it's i had a dating coach on there i have a

02:03:16.700 child support officer telling you how to avoid that so if you want to get if you do want to get

02:03:20.400 married i do give you tools to alleviate risk um i'm gonna read the super chats now

02:03:26.820 i'm not going yet guys i'm not going i got supers all right can we do a poll do we think

02:03:34.480 that she's gonna come back i didn't mean to

02:03:39.220 all right let's see

02:03:45.860 what the hell oh it's because i got to do it on this laptop

02:03:56.280 i forgot that one doesn't have access to the super chat

02:04:03.180 also if you want to send a super chat for my efforts i i people do try to ruin my life over

02:04:11.380 this stuff they really do demonetized for a year i would have loved to go into the voting thing

02:04:17.000 guys but right now all right 90 divorce rate equals risk ask lila how does she feel about

02:04:22.920 christian women who are partly responsible for the rise of only fans in corn because they didn't want

02:04:26.640 to meet their husband's bedroom desires regularly oh that would have been a good question crazy

02:04:32.100 finance is 50 i'm 30 and fighting an illness through my 20s here comes pearls calling other

02:04:36.840 people in exo with nothing to offer yep pearl with um a knockout win over lila the trad thought um

02:04:45.320 pearl lock-in just stopped generalizing pearl women aren't having kids because they're dealing

02:04:49.800 with chronic health issues in america yeah health issues from waiting a decade to have kids

02:04:55.320 getting pregnant is another health issue they want them kids turn 10 trade in for new richard

02:04:59.800 the trad cons like her and tommy lauren canner won't answer what a man received for marriage

02:05:03.880 because they believe they don't believe their husbands should get anything lila doesn't care

02:05:07.640 about these points because no one is perfect everyone is worth jesus's forgiveness all of

02:05:11.000 these points the ku list can be correct god will use their arrogance to renew them this girl needs

02:05:15.960 to read aaron clary's book the book of the numbers based on her attitude she won't believe most of the

02:05:19.960 data aaron researched lead me only when i want to be led marriage um yeah love comes with risk from

02:05:25.960 the man alone evangelical feminism like early 90s baptism marriage positive for one and the

02:05:32.360 advantage. Guys, I'm sorry I didn't do these during the show, but I was trying to lock in.

02:05:36.800 You know what I mean? I just couldn't. Happiness surveys are absolute nonsense and men do not live

02:05:42.980 for happiness. This is a female metric. It is driven by United Nations. Pearl, I sent you an

02:05:47.880 email about high profile United Nations leak Zoom meeting that exposes their anti-family court

02:05:53.220 agenda. Check your emails, do your thing. Lila believes abortion and murder and says perpetrators

02:05:58.000 should be punished but wants to give women the get out of jail free card with coercion i feel like

02:06:03.320 try like lila is a fake trad con feminist um greetings to proline oh that was from the last

02:06:08.680 one i'm gonna refresh it let me just see if anyone okay guys should i react to one more video while

02:06:19.000 i'm live or should we call it doug mpa you get to pick why don't actually doug mpa can you send get

02:06:24.720 on the hop on this zoom let's do a post show talk what did you think uh doug mpa gives me feedback

02:06:32.180 on like debates and that sort of thing so i mean he might we might as well just do this live because

02:06:39.500 you know we're gonna talk after anyway we might as well bring the fans in you know um i could react

02:06:48.640 to this other thing but no we'll do that tomorrow tomorrow i'll do the reaction but i will bring up

02:06:54.500 Doug MPA.

02:06:59.340 Let me see the poll.

02:07:07.880 Will she come back?

02:07:09.240 I would totally debate her about this again.

02:07:11.440 Or if she has something she wants to.

02:07:21.040 Not should she.

02:07:22.440 I said will she.

02:07:24.500 is he coming on let me just double check i'll text him get on

02:07:33.020 oh isn't it in the chat it's in the chat just scroll up

02:07:44.880 hold on i'm gonna send it i'll send it

02:07:54.500 here we go

02:07:56.500 yeah me and andrew are good guys we're pals

02:08:04.660 like we have disagreements but you know it just

02:08:12.480 hey can you hear me doug mpa how are you

02:08:20.220 give me one second let me turn the youtube off i'm good how'd i do you can be honest tell the

02:08:27.120 youtube people um the the abortion thing too long i like your stance on it because i agree

02:08:37.780 it's just people were misconstruing you guys what what pearl is trying to say is

02:08:42.520 you're never going to stop women from aborting children never so you only have 365 days

02:08:50.240 in a year 52 weeks 24 hours in a day so you have to focus on things that are actually attainable

02:08:56.880 in our lifetime women's right to have an abortion is never going to go away so there are things

02:09:03.880 that you can affect more than that i'm sorry so pearl is pro-life but she's just accepted that

02:09:09.940 women are women will not give that power away so but other than other than that i think the abortion

02:09:16.980 conversation went on a little too long but other than that you just cooked lila she cannot answer

02:09:23.780 all these track cons cannot answer the question what does a man get what does he get and if you

02:09:28.980 guys if you guys are interested um second link in the chat is the gofundme for the divorce

02:09:34.900 documentary we would love to finish if we can get funding um we would love to finish it but

02:09:42.100 you know we got to get to 100k we got 25k which is really great you guys are awesome

02:09:46.420 but if you want you know send us send us up in there go ahead yeah he says doug is biased for

02:09:52.500 pearl he he can't give constructed criticism well one that is true i am biased for pro i've been

02:09:59.380 supporting pearl since she had 17 000 subs and two one of the reasons why pearl and i work well

02:10:05.780 together is i let her you know i give her honest feedback oh he gives me feedback oh believe me

02:10:11.620 we want to we got a fundraise so doug mpa can can come in person yeah but but lila you um

02:10:22.100 i know your feelings about lila and you i think you kept it civil um i think that you and her

02:10:27.540 have fundamental disagreements i think that lila's a fake trad con and one of the things

02:10:32.580 one of the best parts about pearl is pearl is a fake trad con crusader there's too many of those

02:10:38.420 out there and lila's one of them she's nice but um you didn't go over the 14 million dollars

02:10:48.100 for her non-profit i wanted to but there was you know and only like 85 000 of it went towards

02:10:53.860 lobbying and like 14 000 went to donations and she kept the rest oh my god she kept that much

02:11:00.340 yeah uh-huh according to the tax documents holy yeah yeah i went over them

02:11:09.140 well should i say allegedly i don't want you to get in trouble

02:11:13.860 yeah i'm gonna say allegedly just in case but i looked i looked over the dock anyway yeah so

02:11:18.500 But Lila just keeps saying marry these hoes, guys.

02:11:22.180 All the Tradcons, all they can say is marry these hoes.

02:11:25.960 It's your duty and put society and women over yourself.

02:11:30.380 And also, she kept saying that whole equality debate.

02:11:34.340 I don't understand how women can be religious, but then say that men and women are equal when men provide more value.

02:11:41.140 yeah so i just she tried all the trad con typical techniques but she's getting nothing guys

02:11:49.280 pearl will never tell you to not get married but you gotta consider because look guys all of us

02:11:57.120 red pillars we can say don't get married but most guys are going to get married in my lifetime

02:12:01.320 sorry but if you acknowledge you're taking a bad deal then you can figure out then you can

02:12:07.800 prepare accordingly yeah yeah you can mitigate risk and then you know you know exactly what

02:12:15.680 happened not if but when she leaves you because what's yeah now you can prepare college educated

02:12:22.000 women um divorce their husbands 90 come on guys yeah like if um like if you're if you guys are a

02:12:30.500 30 year old guy and you want to get married then you know by 40 you can be you can go for your wife

02:12:35.180 number two 100 you can plan you could be like oh you know what the the 30 year old didn't work out

02:12:41.920 now i can now now at 40 i feel like 40 has got to be easier dating and this guy is fifth and 50 you

02:12:48.600 you can you guys could tell me but i just imagine at some point you got to age out of the 20s year

02:12:54.720 olds is that true or no i don't know well they say that guys between the age of 42 and 50 are

02:13:02.600 the most desirous men on in society period well do you know what i was thinking though

02:13:08.280 i think they're gonna get them and i don't know this is hypothetical um you guys would be able

02:13:16.260 to tell me more but i see um men getting the most matches in those age groups because um

02:13:26.500 they're matching with like the 30 year olds the 50 year olds the 40 year olds and some 20 year

02:13:32.380 olds but if i had to guess like the women between zero to 30 are still gonna match the most with

02:13:39.100 guys in their like mid 30s to 40s rather than 50s but i could be wrong you're on the app so you tell

02:13:46.200 me and like you have guy friends around that age i'm guessing so yeah yeah i would say 25 year old

02:13:53.460 women don't go past 40 30 year old women don't go past 45 35 year old women don't go past uh

02:14:02.260 50 so i think that there's a 15 year limit for each age of the woman yeah there's exceptions

02:14:09.320 obviously like leonardo dicaprio and like whatever yeah but just like in general that's what i've

02:14:14.260 seen what is this whole virtuous women thing guys in the chat help us with this virtuous woman thing

02:14:22.660 what does that even mean because here's the thing what is women are rewarded for un for for um for

02:14:31.240 acting without virtue and what can keep a woman virtuous even if you marry a virtuous woman what

02:14:38.200 can keep her virtuous nothing and if she stops because remember virtue is based on actions you

02:14:45.700 have to your actions have to be virtuous women are rewarded for actions that are not virtuous

02:14:51.420 so this whole trad con oh you get a virtuous woman oh really where and for how long

02:14:58.160 right she's virtuous right now just curious why don't pro-lifers advocate for a ban on divorce

02:15:04.720 after marriage produces children yeah they just want to make money and and virtue signal that's

02:15:11.760 generally what i've seen yeah there are some people that really care but

02:15:16.700 you know you could care at like 50 grand a year and they never take that money

02:15:23.600 they can make sure every cent goes towards these children and they never

02:15:28.840 yeah it's just lila tommy lauren they just can't help the feminism man what

02:15:37.020 andrew wilson says to tommy lauren there's that feminism it always rears its ugly head

02:15:43.640 when press tradcom women will speak the same talking points as feminists and what do i always

02:15:51.400 say why fake trad cons are worse than the feminists nature makes its most dangerous and

02:15:59.500 poisonous things a weird shape or a bright color so feminists usually have purple hair that septum

02:16:06.880 piercing tattoos so you can spot them easy but these fake trad cons they don't look like that at

02:16:13.340 all so they're hard to spot well um yeah i agree so if you were to have her on again what would

02:16:24.620 you talk about the next time i just enjoyed cooking to be honest um maybe the embezzlement

02:16:32.460 um i mean if she if if there was ever something in the news i totally would have her on

02:16:38.780 like it's something that's like relevant in the news we had a different take on

02:16:42.380 she wanted to come back she totally could i don't i don't know i don't think she will i think i

02:16:47.100 cooked too hard but i don't maybe she will yeah i um you know once you talk to one of these trad

02:16:55.660 cons you talk to every single one of them it's the same arguments guys let me put a one in the chat

02:17:01.580 if you knew where she was going before she even said it or put a two if you heard anything new

02:17:06.860 tonight so put a one in the chat if you heard every single other tradcon fake track on argument

02:17:13.420 or put a two if you heard anything new nothing

02:17:21.020 yeah but yeah you know i think you did especially you and her vehemently disagree on certain things

02:17:27.340 that it was civil you know um i just once again she has nothing all these track cons guys just

02:17:36.060 marry these hoes just do it men are supposed to be um hack mules for women in society you're

02:17:45.420 supposed to get nothing out of it and how dare you ask what a woman is going to give you back

02:17:51.020 for sacrificing your emotional mental spiritual health monetary health for for a woman how dare

02:17:58.860 you ask that how dare you yeah typical tradcon garbage typical guys make sure you hit a like

02:18:07.260 on the way out tonight um and thanks so much doug mpa you got any final thoughts

02:18:13.740 um you need to do this more often yeah okay maybe we'll do debate

02:18:18.220 wednesday who do you guys want me to debate next what tradcon woman

02:18:22.300 there's so many who look up all the different women that have done hit pieces on you and

02:18:31.840 actually reach out and see if they want to come on yeah let's do it yeah all right guys leave a

02:18:38.120 comment if you have someone you want me to have on thanks so much doug mpa and this was this was

02:18:44.960 a great time let's do it again soon cool all right thanks for watching guys like the video

02:18:50.360 on your way out subscribing tomorrow i'm gonna react to that megan kelly thing you sent me

02:18:55.400 oh that's hilarious the jordan peterson because that's like an that's like an hour long so yeah

02:19:01.760 so you should just do a full

Pearl - June 05, 2025

Lila Rose Joins Pearl Daily

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