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00:00:00.000 I think most men, like women just tend to abuse men when they know that they're their only source

00:00:08.280 of sex. And that's where the problem comes in. Well, what do you mean? Like women just have a

00:00:14.280 tendency to not, um, like, I don't know. I see so many men where they're married and the wife knows

00:00:22.020 that he doesn't cheat and she just does not appreciate his loyalty. And I see women where

00:00:27.720 they think that the husband either could cheat or would cheat and they just tend to treat them

00:00:32.500 better. Yeah. Tend to behave better. Yeah. And I think that's like, that's what I was saying where

00:00:36.580 as much as you don't like it, I can see why. Yeah. But can there be that luminous implicit threat

00:00:42.980 without it ever even being stated? Like, I think there can be. And I think that those guys,

00:00:47.740 a lot of those guys who can do that, they don't even bother saying, what do they need to say it

00:00:51.600 for? It's well known that they can just do it. You can't tell her. Yeah. You don't need to tell

00:00:56.800 her, right? It's not, it's not important. So how is that? But how is that a prescription?

00:01:01.560 There's such a small select few guys who can do that, who have, do you know what? I think it's

00:01:08.400 more common than you'd think. I met this guy the other day. He was like five, seven overweight. He

00:01:14.780 was showing me his rotation. It was like five 22, 23 year old women. Was he rich? No, he was just

00:01:21.140 a good talker. Like he was just easy to talk to. So I don't know if it's like, from what I've seen

00:01:28.300 the P ways, I don't think they're always the most attractive, like a rich guys. Like sometimes

00:01:33.420 they're just charming. They're also con artists. A lot of them, they're conning, right? Like they

00:01:37.900 make that shit up. Like that guy, that guy, Johnny Anthony lifestyle, total fucking con artist just

00:01:42.740 made it all up. And I've got an 8,000 body. He's like, shut up, dude. And then the guy tells me,

00:01:48.400 he's like, I've never met a pickup artist in the world who hasn't done a tranny one

00:01:51.840 or two. And I'm like, I'm like, what dude? What? He's like, yeah, I've never met one

00:01:56.720 who hasn't. And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure most of them don't. So the thing is, is

00:02:01.260 like a lot of those guys are full of shit. I've gone to events. Like I've seen them take

00:02:06.740 the women home. And a lot of times it's really not, it's not always the best looking guys.

00:02:11.900 They're just charming. Like I don't. I've remained skeptical in this regard. Yeah. I mean,

00:02:18.100 it's fine. Like one of the PUA's I met in like Vega, I mean, he was not attractive at

00:02:22.580 all. I mean, some, some are right. Like a lot of, like a good amount are, but there's

00:02:28.000 enough that aren't good looking that like you would, I'm surprised you would like, you

00:02:33.360 would be surprised just from what I've seen.

00:02:36.740 Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that there's, again, there's going to be men who are, you know,

00:02:41.160 are exceptions to these rules. You know what I mean? But I don't think for the most part,

00:02:44.780 um, it's available to most men to be, just be able to go sleep with whatever type of

00:02:49.180 woman they want. I know. It's just the challenge is there's just no incentive for men to be

00:02:53.640 loyal today. Like what do they get out of it? Well, uh, family, the family.

00:02:59.600 We're having like one kid each. That's, that's true. Women aren't really having kids.

00:03:03.560 That's true. But, but again, and like, there's no incentive, like the wives cheat all the time.

00:03:10.220 Yeah. But there's also wives that don't cheat at all. So the key, the key is this. It's a matter

00:03:15.340 of what you can verify that. You don't think every single wife cheats, do you? I don't think

00:03:20.800 every single wife cheats, but like my point is if she does, there's a lot of avenues where he

00:03:26.160 wouldn't even know. There's a lot of avenues the other way too. I agree. Right. But I guess the

00:03:31.360 point is, is like, yes, it is. It is true. If we average all of the children, yes, it averages out

00:03:37.600 to, you know, less than two per woman. That's true. That doesn't mean women are only having one kid.

00:03:43.380 You know, it just means that fewer women are having multiple kids and other women are having zero kids.

00:03:49.160 So it's like, yeah, there's still men who I want to see them have a family, have multiple children

00:03:54.920 and have a loyal wife. And yeah, I still think that's very possible.

00:03:58.280 It's like possible, but I don't, I don't know. I just talking to young guys, I don't think,

00:04:03.660 I think a lot of them don't really see that as happening for them.

00:04:07.780 Well, I think a lot of times they're like, every trend is predicting it's not going to get better.

00:04:12.520 It's going to get worse. That's true. And I agree that it'll get worse.

00:04:15.420 Like, yeah. And so it's like, they could hope for that, but that's not a strategy, you know?

00:04:19.920 Well, it is a strategy though, when you start looking for what virtues are.

00:04:23.160 Once men re reallocate their idea of feminine virtue or female virtue, what I've noticed is,

00:04:30.940 you know, I get contacted by thousands of men all over the world. Like once I reoriented for what

00:04:36.380 I consider feminine virtues to be, I started being very much more successful towards women who have

00:04:41.040 held those virtues.

00:04:42.220 Yeah. But it's for now, right? I mean, you don't know how it's going to play out in 10 years and 20,

00:04:46.540 like a lot of women are virtuous for a period of time. You know, you just know it's tough. I think

00:04:52.960 interviewing the men that were divorced kind of blackpilled me because, um, I would just see women

00:05:01.340 that in every, like on paper were better than me in every way. They married younger, they were like

00:05:06.560 more religious, you know? And I'm like, uh, like, you know, they married at 20 or whatever, um,

00:05:12.240 orthodox, Catholic, whatever, whatever it is. Right. And they did like terrible,

00:05:18.720 terrible things, like awful things. And I'm like, wow, there's like, no, there's also a heavy

00:05:23.740 societal influence telling them that it's perfectly acceptable for them to do those things. Yeah.

00:05:28.920 We had a society not very long ago. We can look to where the incentives were the opposite.

00:05:33.380 Or if you did those things, there was a very much social punishments, which would come with them.

00:05:38.420 You know, single motherhood was considered, you were considered a pariah, you know, things like

00:05:43.600 that. That's a, that's no joke. Social enforcement works. If you think that we could not propagandize

00:05:48.960 from top down again for social enforcement, like we used to, I very much disagree. Every single war,

00:05:54.700 every single thing that people believe right now all comes from top down propaganda. And it's like,

00:05:58.960 you could do the same thing when it came to the dynamics of family relationship, but women would

00:06:04.400 have to do social enforcement towards pariahs like they used to. Yeah. I don't think it would work.

00:06:09.680 Don't think so. No. You know, there's countries that it does work and is working.

00:06:14.140 How is it working? Yeah. Eastern block nations, they've been promoting not only birth rates through

00:06:18.700 tax incentives, but also the family unit from the top down. Younger men are reporting much happier

00:06:23.680 levels when it comes to the marriages they're having with younger women and women are acting in a more

00:06:28.520 virtuous way, way less single moms. There's a lot of good stuff coming out of that.

00:06:31.640 Yeah. And maybe like you could argue that, but just, I don't think that the women on whatever

00:06:39.380 are really going to change what they're doing. Right. Well, not all the women, first of all,

00:06:44.380 like I don't, you know, not all the women on whatever are bad. Right. It, but there is,

00:06:48.240 I agree. Yeah. Like there's a case selection of many who are right. But a lot of them there,

00:06:54.120 there's actually a good amount of women who've gone through whatever who are kind of based and kind of

00:06:59.000 with it and understand that there's serious and significant problems going on. You know what I

00:07:03.140 mean? Uh, but there's just also the ones who you don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole and who

00:07:08.380 are fucking delusional and everything else. And they come from all walks of life. I don't think

00:07:12.620 that it's unfixable though. Like you have a more blackpilled kind of idea than I do where you're

00:07:17.140 just like, this is unfixable. Let it all burn to the ground. I don't think so though.

00:07:21.760 Well, I just don't think we have as much as an impact as you might think. Like I don't think

00:07:26.840 commentators can change trends. I agree. Yeah. Well, so like, well, no, hang on. Let me talk

00:07:31.860 about that. Some can, but we ain't going to like some can at like the highest echelons. Yeah. I think

00:07:41.680 some commentators are able to kind of shift. I like, I've seen memes change paradigms. I've seen a

00:07:47.800 single meme change the way people view a problem. So, I mean, I know that that does work. Um,

00:07:54.460 but when you're, when you're talking about changing the entire social trend of a country,

00:07:59.440 which has been indoctrinated with feminine, feminism and communism for a hundred years,

00:08:03.240 and has been indoctrinated with ideology, which is around women's liberation, we're all born and

00:08:07.900 bred and raised in it. Yeah. That's going to take a while. That's not a fast, fast process. But

00:08:13.180 here's, here's my question to you though. Like if we're under replacement rate, aren't they all

00:08:17.300 going to die out anyway? Yeah. But there's no guarantee. Like I've seen very Christian

00:08:22.460 parents give birth to liberal kids. Yeah. It happens, but it's, but it's less likely.

00:08:27.440 When it comes to the women, I don't really see a difference. Um, I know like, I understand

00:08:31.700 maybe the body count between, between kids who are raised in a Christian household and the kids who

00:08:36.920 are not, it is not even, it's not even close. Right. Who has more incentive to lie? Yeah. But who is,

00:08:42.980 who has more incentive to lie? Like, you know, I don't really trust any, I don't trust any study

00:08:49.080 that says like women said they do this. Yeah. Like, come on. But in this, but in the social

00:08:54.620 paradigm, they both have the incentive to lie. No, because liberal women are still judged for

00:08:59.500 being sluts, even if they're liberals. Right. But they're much more open. They'll do it on camera.

00:09:03.580 Yeah. Right. So conservative women, I mean, they'll do it on camera too. So I mean, they'll

00:09:08.980 just switch. Yeah. They like, they do it on camera too. I think they're both would have the same

00:09:13.860 incentive there because, uh, the idea of you being the social pariah because you have a high body

00:09:18.420 count affects them both. But conservative women find the workarounds. So they do it from the back

00:09:22.700 door. They'll blow and they won't count it as a body. Yeah. Progressive do progressive women do the

00:09:27.760 same shit. I've questioned both ends of that ideology, both on both sides, like progressive

00:09:33.360 women also do not want to give you their body count. Progressive women also do not want you to

00:09:39.060 know, you know, X, Y, Z, same as the conservatives, that social pariah aspect still very much there. And

00:09:44.920 here's why those progressive women, they still want conservative guys. They want Chad conservative

00:09:49.720 guys. I would just, from my experience, balance of probabilities, the conservative women lie more

00:09:56.020 because there's more incentive to, I would say they're more, I would say they're more dishonest where

00:10:01.880 the liberal women will say, yup, I'm a whore slut march. And the conservative women put on a dress

00:10:08.520 and say they're not, but they, you know, blow half of conservative media. I mean, that happens. I just

00:10:13.900 think that they both have an incentive to not tell the truth about the body count, but I just, I don't

00:10:18.500 And by the way, you can adjust for that in studies too. You can actually make adjustments for that

00:10:22.420 by asking questions in different ways. And then if you have a different sorts of answers,

00:10:27.920 you can make comparisons on that and go, well, wait, so one still has to be more truthful than

00:10:32.060 the other. Yeah. I just wouldn't take any study on body count seriously. Why not? Like if anything,

00:10:37.780 because women lie about it. So why do like, why am I going to take their word for anything?

00:10:43.220 Yeah. But I mean, like what I would prefer is age of first marriage, number of kids I think is better.

00:10:50.380 Christians have that better too. Yeah. A little bit, but Gen Z, it's really not that different.

00:10:55.400 Like if you include boomer women in Gen X, yeah. But if you, Gen Z, not really. Yeah. But what comes

00:11:01.740 after Gen Z is Gen Alpha. And that might be the most based, the most based ever generation that has

00:11:08.660 ever lived. We don't know yet. Yeah. I mean, it could be. I mean, they were saying Gen X were going

00:11:14.180 to be the worst degenerates ever. And they're actually less degenerate than Gen Z. Gen X. Okay. And

00:11:19.900 they weren't the worst degenerates ever. They became much more socially conservative than people

00:11:23.900 thought. Gen Z, on the other hand, and millennials especially, but millennials became a bunch of

00:11:28.820 leftist scumbags. But Gen Z, moving the paradigm back a little bit, it's very possible that Generation

00:11:33.920 Alpha is finally the first generation of actual alphas. Right? Rocking around. It's possible.

00:11:39.540 I mean, I just see the sexes going further and further apart.

00:11:42.740 Good.

00:11:42.900 And I see. That's a good thing. I want that. I want the division. I thought you wanted the

00:11:48.240 families. I do want the families. But the idea of the sexes being far apart is saying that we both

00:11:53.760 have gender roles. And those gender roles, I'm not going to settle for less than that gender role. And

00:11:58.580 neither are you. And it's like, so one's going to have to break. And it's going to be women first

00:12:02.940 because they need men. Men don't need them. Yeah. But what I see is it becoming more monetized. And

00:12:08.340 you're already seeing that. I mean, with all the OnlyFans models that you've debated, right?

00:12:12.480 Like, it's just going to become more transactional. Like, that's what I would predict for the future.

00:12:16.960 I don't wish. I'm not saying I wish that, right? But if I had to, like, guess what's going to happen

00:12:21.760 and tell, like, do you really think in 10 years it's going to be any more conservative?

00:12:26.440 Yeah.

00:12:27.620 Yes, I do.

00:12:28.480 I don't think so.

00:12:29.280 Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have expected Trump to have gotten elected the second time either.

00:12:33.000 Right? Not on the heels of all the propaganda which had happened against him. But, you know,

00:12:38.060 the truth is, is like the pendulum, when it swings back right, is swinging much harder

00:12:42.720 back right. So it used to be a little bit more like kind of even. It would go to the left,

00:12:47.280 then it would come back to the right, then it would go back to the left, it would be about

00:12:50.120 even. Now it's taking left and then it swings harder. Then it goes back to the left and then

00:12:54.560 it swings harder to the right. So it's always swinging harder right. If we look at states,

00:13:00.080 states are beginning the process of outlawing pornography, right? They're beginning the process

00:13:04.200 of doing that. Many of them successfully have done it. And I think that that trend is going

00:13:09.480 to be moving more and more and more towards that until you get to a place it's like eventually

00:13:15.060 people get sick of it.

00:13:16.420 Yeah, but they won't ban. They'll ban like porn, but they won't ban OnlyFans.

00:13:19.060 No, some of them are moving towards banning.

00:13:20.580 I doubt it. Come on.

00:13:22.300 I think it'll happen.

00:13:23.600 Women are going to die on the hill of like.

00:13:26.080 Yeah, but you. Okay, but I will challenge this by saying this. A few years ago, we had this

00:13:30.760 conversation on abortion. And you're like, man, that's never going to happen.

00:13:34.000 And women will never allow the, you know, for abortion to go. Well.

00:13:38.760 Well, Roe versus Wade was overturned, but plan B, like, don't you consider plan B abortion?

00:13:44.280 Yeah, the thing is, plan B.

00:13:45.360 And that's way up. Like if you look, if you, you could say maybe abortions have gone down

00:13:50.140 a little bit, but plan B's have gone up a lot.

00:13:52.660 Yeah, but it was still the first step in the mitigation process. So it just starts.

00:13:57.080 So all of this, politics, slow moving machine.

00:14:00.940 You think number of kids is going to go up?

00:14:04.120 No.

00:14:04.260 You think marriage is really going to go up?

00:14:05.700 Not anytime soon.

00:14:07.580 Yeah.

00:14:08.060 Not anytime soon. But here's the thing. The trend is population is going to go still increase

00:14:12.660 a little bit. Then it's going to plateau. And then the nosedive that we have in the

00:14:16.620 years of pain that'll come from having an elderly population that doesn't have enough

00:14:20.000 young people to care for them is going to be very brutal. But I do think that necessarily,

00:14:25.420 just like we've seen, you know, time and time again, we even saw it in Soviet Russia,

00:14:29.360 but the propaganda has to start or you don't have a society.

00:14:31.820 But I guess, cause my question would be like, what incentive do the men, if we have to go

00:14:36.820 through like 20 years of bullshit to get a wife, like what incentive do the men have

00:14:41.400 to not sleep around?

00:14:43.320 Well, I mean, in the current society, the only thing that would prevent them from that would

00:14:47.120 be the idea of virtue and religiosity. Like from a practical standpoint, if I'm looking

00:14:52.920 at your view here from the practical standpoint, I would say nothing.

00:14:56.260 Yeah. That's my point. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I think like they come to

00:15:01.480 that conclusion because it's pragmatic.

00:15:03.480 Yeah. I agree.

00:15:03.940 Yeah.

00:15:04.320 Yeah.

00:15:04.620 I agree. It's very difficult to make a normative claim like, well, the normative claim, the

00:15:10.200 moral claim, that's easy, right? But it's hard to make a more normalized claim, let's

00:15:14.340 say not normative, but normalized claim of, uh, well, you just really shouldn't sleep

00:15:19.200 with a bunch of chicks cause it'll have a bad outcome. It's like, yeah, that's like,

00:15:24.700 yeah, that's a harder, like that's a harder line to toe. But I do think you can look at

00:15:29.760 the married guys who did like the crowders of the world.

00:15:32.460 But I do think that you can make the great case though, that it will ultimately have a

00:15:37.240 worse outcome for you as you get older, that ultimately it'll have a worse outcome on

00:15:42.400 you as an individual. It'll have a worse outcome on you as a man to not have children. It'll

00:15:46.520 have a worse outcome for you. Ultimately. I think, I think I can demonstrate that pretty

00:15:51.300 easily, but, um, but I'm with you in the idea of like, you know, yeah, trying to tell a bunch

00:15:56.820 of 25 year old men not to go fuck everything that moves when it's willing to have sex with

00:16:01.440 it. That seems like a tall order. I get it. Uh, but I don't think, I don't think for

00:16:06.400 practical purposes, um, ultimately that, that the red pill is right on that. I think

00:16:11.980 that, that the Christian right is more correct on that, that the outcomes for most men would

00:16:15.800 be better ultimately served, uh, and in the short term for society ultimately served by

00:16:21.640 trying to remove promiscuity in these behaviors.

00:16:23.960 But if you take like society out of it and go on like an individual basis, like if the men

00:16:30.560 that are loyal aren't really getting loyalty back and they're getting divorced, it's like

00:16:35.000 where, what do they, what do they, what do they get? Like, what do they get out of it?

00:16:42.220 Like, I'll tell you. Yeah. In that case, you're right. Yeah. Right. But what about Muslim nations?

00:16:45.740 Are there women cheating? The truth is, is they're not objectively, they're not, the punishments

00:16:50.060 are so severe. Right. And the fact that you have to have chaperones, even for women to walk

00:16:55.700 around, they have to have male chaperones to walk them. That's not all the Muslim countries.

00:16:59.440 I know it's not all of them, but even in the ones that are more progressive, they're

00:17:02.540 not cheating as much as no way. So it's giving a demonstration of like, well, wait, if there

00:17:06.780 is social outcomes, so there are ways to govern nations where there's social outcomes for

00:17:11.120 these behaviors, it doesn't even need to be that extreme. That's way you don't even need

00:17:15.200 to make it where they, you know, you have to wear a shoe. Can't show you. We've had this

00:17:20.200 before in this country. It wasn't that long ago. Right. But like we're operating in the

00:17:24.160 country we have now, you know what I mean? And I just don't think there's any incentive

00:17:28.300 with what we have now and not like what could be or what, like, you know, I'm not, you know,

00:17:33.380 dealing with the problem with that argument is, is like Rome was full of a bunch of pedestry

00:17:37.700 and homosexuality and all sorts of gross things. Right. And it did reform eventually. Right.

00:17:43.300 There was some destruction, which happened, but yeah, like the virtues have to necessarily

00:17:47.680 switch. So you go from Rome to like, uh, 1800s America, 1800s America looks real, real straight

00:17:55.960 laced in comparison to Rome. Right. Like real straight laced. So it's like this idea of,

00:18:01.040 oh, you can't put it back in the, you can't put the shit back in the horse. It's like,

00:18:04.040 yeah, well, I'm not, I'm not saying that you can't do it. I'm saying I wouldn't bet on it

00:18:08.180 happening anytime soon. Yeah. When Gen Z women, yeah, it's a gradual process.

00:18:13.040 And so we have to live in the laws that are governed now. And I like, I think a lot of times

00:18:18.680 what conservatives miss when they say like men shouldn't sleep around. I'm like, well,

00:18:22.280 you have to give them something for it. And right now they're saying like, do this for

00:18:26.440 nothing. And it's just not a good sell. Well, I would say do this in hopes that one day we

00:18:31.020 have Afghan laws. Well, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying that hopefully one day

00:18:37.000 we have Afghan laws. I'm just pointing out that obviously we can look at so at the social

00:18:41.680 conditions of nations and the social conditions of societies to see where women are doing these

00:18:46.280 things or not doing these things. Right. The Western nations is where they're mostly being

00:18:49.480 done. That's the primary areas that where sexual liberation is there. And this is the primary

00:18:55.600 problem. So I would just say this, just like it took 80 years for us to get here. Right.

00:19:02.520 It might take just as long to make the gradual transition the other direction. You know what

00:19:07.820 I mean? But we have some things on our side. But yeah, you're telling like in 80 years, you'll

00:19:11.060 get a wife. No, no, no. I'm not saying in 80 years, you'll get a wife.

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