Pearl - May 13, 2025


Loyal Men Get Nothing Back! ｜ Why Most Modern Wives CHEAT! w⧸ @The_Crucible


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In this episode, we talk about cheating in marriage and how to deal with it. We also talk about why men cheat and why women cheat. We also discuss how women cheat and what to do if your wife cheats on you.

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00:00:00.000 I think most men, like women just tend to abuse men when they know that they're their only source 1.00
00:00:08.280 of sex. And that's where the problem comes in. Well, what do you mean? Like women just have a 1.00
00:00:14.280 tendency to not, um, like, I don't know. I see so many men where they're married and the wife knows
00:00:22.020 that he doesn't cheat and she just does not appreciate his loyalty. And I see women where 0.99
00:00:27.720 they think that the husband either could cheat or would cheat and they just tend to treat them
00:00:32.500 better. Yeah. Tend to behave better. Yeah. And I think that's like, that's what I was saying where
00:00:36.580 as much as you don't like it, I can see why. Yeah. But can there be that luminous implicit threat
00:00:42.980 without it ever even being stated? Like, I think there can be. And I think that those guys,
00:00:47.740 a lot of those guys who can do that, they don't even bother saying, what do they need to say it
00:00:51.600 for? It's well known that they can just do it. You can't tell her. Yeah. You don't need to tell
00:00:56.800 her, right? It's not, it's not important. So how is that? But how is that a prescription?
00:01:01.560 There's such a small select few guys who can do that, who have, do you know what? I think it's
00:01:08.400 more common than you'd think. I met this guy the other day. He was like five, seven overweight. He
00:01:14.780 was showing me his rotation. It was like five 22, 23 year old women. Was he rich? No, he was just
00:01:21.140 a good talker. Like he was just easy to talk to. So I don't know if it's like, from what I've seen
00:01:28.300 the P ways, I don't think they're always the most attractive, like a rich guys. Like sometimes 1.00
00:01:33.420 they're just charming. They're also con artists. A lot of them, they're conning, right? Like they
00:01:37.900 make that shit up. Like that guy, that guy, Johnny Anthony lifestyle, total fucking con artist just 1.00
00:01:42.740 made it all up. And I've got an 8,000 body. He's like, shut up, dude. And then the guy tells me, 1.00
00:01:48.400 he's like, I've never met a pickup artist in the world who hasn't done a tranny one 1.00
00:01:51.840 or two. And I'm like, I'm like, what dude? What? He's like, yeah, I've never met one
00:01:56.720 who hasn't. And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure most of them don't. So the thing is, is
00:02:01.260 like a lot of those guys are full of shit. I've gone to events. Like I've seen them take 1.00
00:02:06.740 the women home. And a lot of times it's really not, it's not always the best looking guys.
00:02:11.900 They're just charming. Like I don't. I've remained skeptical in this regard. Yeah. I mean,
00:02:18.100 it's fine. Like one of the PUA's I met in like Vega, I mean, he was not attractive at
00:02:22.580 all. I mean, some, some are right. Like a lot of, like a good amount are, but there's
00:02:28.000 enough that aren't good looking that like you would, I'm surprised you would like, you
00:02:33.360 would be surprised just from what I've seen.
00:02:36.740 Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that there's, again, there's going to be men who are, you know,
00:02:41.160 are exceptions to these rules. You know what I mean? But I don't think for the most part,
00:02:44.780 um, it's available to most men to be, just be able to go sleep with whatever type of
00:02:49.180 woman they want. I know. It's just the challenge is there's just no incentive for men to be
00:02:53.640 loyal today. Like what do they get out of it? Well, uh, family, the family.
00:02:59.600 We're having like one kid each. That's, that's true. Women aren't really having kids. 1.00
00:03:03.560 That's true. But, but again, and like, there's no incentive, like the wives cheat all the time. 1.00
00:03:10.220 Yeah. But there's also wives that don't cheat at all. So the key, the key is this. It's a matter 0.99
00:03:15.340 of what you can verify that. You don't think every single wife cheats, do you? I don't think
00:03:20.800 every single wife cheats, but like my point is if she does, there's a lot of avenues where he
00:03:26.160 wouldn't even know. There's a lot of avenues the other way too. I agree. Right. But I guess the
00:03:31.360 point is, is like, yes, it is. It is true. If we average all of the children, yes, it averages out
00:03:37.600 to, you know, less than two per woman. That's true. That doesn't mean women are only having one kid. 0.99
00:03:43.380 You know, it just means that fewer women are having multiple kids and other women are having zero kids. 1.00
00:03:49.160 So it's like, yeah, there's still men who I want to see them have a family, have multiple children
00:03:54.920 and have a loyal wife. And yeah, I still think that's very possible.
00:03:58.280 It's like possible, but I don't, I don't know. I just talking to young guys, I don't think,
00:04:03.660 I think a lot of them don't really see that as happening for them.
00:04:07.780 Well, I think a lot of times they're like, every trend is predicting it's not going to get better.
00:04:12.520 It's going to get worse. That's true. And I agree that it'll get worse.
00:04:15.420 Like, yeah. And so it's like, they could hope for that, but that's not a strategy, you know?
00:04:19.920 Well, it is a strategy though, when you start looking for what virtues are.
00:04:23.160 Once men re reallocate their idea of feminine virtue or female virtue, what I've noticed is,
00:04:30.940 you know, I get contacted by thousands of men all over the world. Like once I reoriented for what
00:04:36.380 I consider feminine virtues to be, I started being very much more successful towards women who have
00:04:41.040 held those virtues.
00:04:42.220 Yeah. But it's for now, right? I mean, you don't know how it's going to play out in 10 years and 20,
00:04:46.540 like a lot of women are virtuous for a period of time. You know, you just know it's tough. I think
00:04:52.960 interviewing the men that were divorced kind of blackpilled me because, um, I would just see women 1.00
00:05:01.340 that in every, like on paper were better than me in every way. They married younger, they were like
00:05:06.560 more religious, you know? And I'm like, uh, like, you know, they married at 20 or whatever, um,
00:05:12.240 orthodox, Catholic, whatever, whatever it is. Right. And they did like terrible, 0.84
00:05:18.720 terrible things, like awful things. And I'm like, wow, there's like, no, there's also a heavy
00:05:23.740 societal influence telling them that it's perfectly acceptable for them to do those things. Yeah.
00:05:28.920 We had a society not very long ago. We can look to where the incentives were the opposite.
00:05:33.380 Or if you did those things, there was a very much social punishments, which would come with them.
00:05:38.420 You know, single motherhood was considered, you were considered a pariah, you know, things like
00:05:43.600 that. That's a, that's no joke. Social enforcement works. If you think that we could not propagandize
00:05:48.960 from top down again for social enforcement, like we used to, I very much disagree. Every single war,
00:05:54.700 every single thing that people believe right now all comes from top down propaganda. And it's like,
00:05:58.960 you could do the same thing when it came to the dynamics of family relationship, but women would 1.00
00:06:04.400 have to do social enforcement towards pariahs like they used to. Yeah. I don't think it would work. 0.99
00:06:09.680 Don't think so. No. You know, there's countries that it does work and is working.
00:06:14.140 How is it working? Yeah. Eastern block nations, they've been promoting not only birth rates through 0.99
00:06:18.700 tax incentives, but also the family unit from the top down. Younger men are reporting much happier
00:06:23.680 levels when it comes to the marriages they're having with younger women and women are acting in a more
00:06:28.520 virtuous way, way less single moms. There's a lot of good stuff coming out of that. 0.99
00:06:31.640 Yeah. And maybe like you could argue that, but just, I don't think that the women on whatever 1.00
00:06:39.380 are really going to change what they're doing. Right. Well, not all the women, first of all, 1.00
00:06:44.380 like I don't, you know, not all the women on whatever are bad. Right. It, but there is, 0.98
00:06:48.240 I agree. Yeah. Like there's a case selection of many who are right. But a lot of them there,
00:06:54.120 there's actually a good amount of women who've gone through whatever who are kind of based and kind of
00:06:59.000 with it and understand that there's serious and significant problems going on. You know what I
00:07:03.140 mean? Uh, but there's just also the ones who you don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole and who 0.98
00:07:08.380 are fucking delusional and everything else. And they come from all walks of life. I don't think 0.97
00:07:12.620 that it's unfixable though. Like you have a more blackpilled kind of idea than I do where you're
00:07:17.140 just like, this is unfixable. Let it all burn to the ground. I don't think so though. 0.96
00:07:21.760 Well, I just don't think we have as much as an impact as you might think. Like I don't think
00:07:26.840 commentators can change trends. I agree. Yeah. Well, so like, well, no, hang on. Let me talk
00:07:31.860 about that. Some can, but we ain't going to like some can at like the highest echelons. Yeah. I think
00:07:41.680 some commentators are able to kind of shift. I like, I've seen memes change paradigms. I've seen a
00:07:47.800 single meme change the way people view a problem. So, I mean, I know that that does work. Um,
00:07:54.460 but when you're, when you're talking about changing the entire social trend of a country,
00:07:59.440 which has been indoctrinated with feminine, feminism and communism for a hundred years, 0.90
00:08:03.240 and has been indoctrinated with ideology, which is around women's liberation, we're all born and
00:08:07.900 bred and raised in it. Yeah. That's going to take a while. That's not a fast, fast process. But
00:08:13.180 here's, here's my question to you though. Like if we're under replacement rate, aren't they all
00:08:17.300 going to die out anyway? Yeah. But there's no guarantee. Like I've seen very Christian 1.00
00:08:22.460 parents give birth to liberal kids. Yeah. It happens, but it's, but it's less likely.
00:08:27.440 When it comes to the women, I don't really see a difference. Um, I know like, I understand 1.00
00:08:31.700 maybe the body count between, between kids who are raised in a Christian household and the kids who
00:08:36.920 are not, it is not even, it's not even close. Right. Who has more incentive to lie? Yeah. But who is,
00:08:42.980 who has more incentive to lie? Like, you know, I don't really trust any, I don't trust any study
00:08:49.080 that says like women said they do this. Yeah. Like, come on. But in this, but in the social 0.94
00:08:54.620 paradigm, they both have the incentive to lie. No, because liberal women are still judged for 1.00
00:08:59.500 being sluts, even if they're liberals. Right. But they're much more open. They'll do it on camera. 1.00
00:09:03.580 Yeah. Right. So conservative women, I mean, they'll do it on camera too. So I mean, they'll 1.00
00:09:08.980 just switch. Yeah. They like, they do it on camera too. I think they're both would have the same
00:09:13.860 incentive there because, uh, the idea of you being the social pariah because you have a high body
00:09:18.420 count affects them both. But conservative women find the workarounds. So they do it from the back 1.00
00:09:22.700 door. They'll blow and they won't count it as a body. Yeah. Progressive do progressive women do the 1.00
00:09:27.760 same shit. I've questioned both ends of that ideology, both on both sides, like progressive 1.00
00:09:33.360 women also do not want to give you their body count. Progressive women also do not want you to 1.00
00:09:39.060 know, you know, X, Y, Z, same as the conservatives, that social pariah aspect still very much there. And
00:09:44.920 here's why those progressive women, they still want conservative guys. They want Chad conservative 1.00
00:09:49.720 guys. I would just, from my experience, balance of probabilities, the conservative women lie more 1.00
00:09:56.020 because there's more incentive to, I would say they're more, I would say they're more dishonest where 1.00
00:10:01.880 the liberal women will say, yup, I'm a whore slut march. And the conservative women put on a dress 1.00
00:10:08.520 and say they're not, but they, you know, blow half of conservative media. I mean, that happens. I just
00:10:13.900 think that they both have an incentive to not tell the truth about the body count, but I just, I don't
00:10:18.500 And by the way, you can adjust for that in studies too. You can actually make adjustments for that
00:10:22.420 by asking questions in different ways. And then if you have a different sorts of answers,
00:10:27.920 you can make comparisons on that and go, well, wait, so one still has to be more truthful than
00:10:32.060 the other. Yeah. I just wouldn't take any study on body count seriously. Why not? Like if anything,
00:10:37.780 because women lie about it. So why do like, why am I going to take their word for anything? 1.00
00:10:43.220 Yeah. But I mean, like what I would prefer is age of first marriage, number of kids I think is better. 0.77
00:10:50.380 Christians have that better too. Yeah. A little bit, but Gen Z, it's really not that different. 0.58
00:10:55.400 Like if you include boomer women in Gen X, yeah. But if you, Gen Z, not really. Yeah. But what comes 0.70
00:11:01.740 after Gen Z is Gen Alpha. And that might be the most based, the most based ever generation that has 0.51
00:11:08.660 ever lived. We don't know yet. Yeah. I mean, it could be. I mean, they were saying Gen X were going 0.95
00:11:14.180 to be the worst degenerates ever. And they're actually less degenerate than Gen Z. Gen X. Okay. And 0.52
00:11:19.900 they weren't the worst degenerates ever. They became much more socially conservative than people
00:11:23.900 thought. Gen Z, on the other hand, and millennials especially, but millennials became a bunch of 0.81
00:11:28.820 leftist scumbags. But Gen Z, moving the paradigm back a little bit, it's very possible that Generation 0.99
00:11:33.920 Alpha is finally the first generation of actual alphas. Right? Rocking around. It's possible.
00:11:39.540 I mean, I just see the sexes going further and further apart.
00:11:42.740 Good.
00:11:42.900 And I see. That's a good thing. I want that. I want the division. I thought you wanted the
00:11:48.240 families. I do want the families. But the idea of the sexes being far apart is saying that we both
00:11:53.760 have gender roles. And those gender roles, I'm not going to settle for less than that gender role. And
00:11:58.580 neither are you. And it's like, so one's going to have to break. And it's going to be women first 1.00
00:12:02.940 because they need men. Men don't need them. Yeah. But what I see is it becoming more monetized. And
00:12:08.340 you're already seeing that. I mean, with all the OnlyFans models that you've debated, right?
00:12:12.480 Like, it's just going to become more transactional. Like, that's what I would predict for the future.
00:12:16.960 I don't wish. I'm not saying I wish that, right? But if I had to, like, guess what's going to happen
00:12:21.760 and tell, like, do you really think in 10 years it's going to be any more conservative?
00:12:26.440 Yeah.
00:12:27.620 Yes, I do.
00:12:28.480 I don't think so.
00:12:29.280 Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have expected Trump to have gotten elected the second time either.
00:12:33.000 Right? Not on the heels of all the propaganda which had happened against him. But, you know,
00:12:38.060 the truth is, is like the pendulum, when it swings back right, is swinging much harder
00:12:42.720 back right. So it used to be a little bit more like kind of even. It would go to the left,
00:12:47.280 then it would come back to the right, then it would go back to the left, it would be about
00:12:50.120 even. Now it's taking left and then it swings harder. Then it goes back to the left and then
00:12:54.560 it swings harder to the right. So it's always swinging harder right. If we look at states,
00:13:00.080 states are beginning the process of outlawing pornography, right? They're beginning the process
00:13:04.200 of doing that. Many of them successfully have done it. And I think that that trend is going
00:13:09.480 to be moving more and more and more towards that until you get to a place it's like eventually
00:13:15.060 people get sick of it.
00:13:16.420 Yeah, but they won't ban. They'll ban like porn, but they won't ban OnlyFans.
00:13:19.060 No, some of them are moving towards banning.
00:13:20.580 I doubt it. Come on.
00:13:22.300 I think it'll happen. 0.99
00:13:23.600 Women are going to die on the hill of like. 1.00
00:13:26.080 Yeah, but you. Okay, but I will challenge this by saying this. A few years ago, we had this 0.98
00:13:30.760 conversation on abortion. And you're like, man, that's never going to happen.
00:13:34.000 And women will never allow the, you know, for abortion to go. Well. 0.99
00:13:38.760 Well, Roe versus Wade was overturned, but plan B, like, don't you consider plan B abortion?
00:13:44.280 Yeah, the thing is, plan B.
00:13:45.360 And that's way up. Like if you look, if you, you could say maybe abortions have gone down
00:13:50.140 a little bit, but plan B's have gone up a lot.
00:13:52.660 Yeah, but it was still the first step in the mitigation process. So it just starts.
00:13:57.080 So all of this, politics, slow moving machine.
00:14:00.940 You think number of kids is going to go up?
00:14:04.120 No.
00:14:04.260 You think marriage is really going to go up?
00:14:05.700 Not anytime soon.
00:14:07.580 Yeah.
00:14:08.060 Not anytime soon. But here's the thing. The trend is population is going to go still increase
00:14:12.660 a little bit. Then it's going to plateau. And then the nosedive that we have in the
00:14:16.620 years of pain that'll come from having an elderly population that doesn't have enough 1.00
00:14:20.000 young people to care for them is going to be very brutal. But I do think that necessarily,
00:14:25.420 just like we've seen, you know, time and time again, we even saw it in Soviet Russia,
00:14:29.360 but the propaganda has to start or you don't have a society.
00:14:31.820 But I guess, cause my question would be like, what incentive do the men, if we have to go 0.96
00:14:36.820 through like 20 years of bullshit to get a wife, like what incentive do the men have 0.98
00:14:41.400 to not sleep around? 0.99
00:14:43.320 Well, I mean, in the current society, the only thing that would prevent them from that would
00:14:47.120 be the idea of virtue and religiosity. Like from a practical standpoint, if I'm looking
00:14:52.920 at your view here from the practical standpoint, I would say nothing.
00:14:56.260 Yeah. That's my point. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I think like they come to
00:15:01.480 that conclusion because it's pragmatic.
00:15:03.480 Yeah. I agree.
00:15:03.940 Yeah.
00:15:04.320 Yeah.
00:15:04.620 I agree. It's very difficult to make a normative claim like, well, the normative claim, the
00:15:10.200 moral claim, that's easy, right? But it's hard to make a more normalized claim, let's
00:15:14.340 say not normative, but normalized claim of, uh, well, you just really shouldn't sleep
00:15:19.200 with a bunch of chicks cause it'll have a bad outcome. It's like, yeah, that's like, 1.00
00:15:24.700 yeah, that's a harder, like that's a harder line to toe. But I do think you can look at
00:15:29.760 the married guys who did like the crowders of the world. 0.82
00:15:32.460 But I do think that you can make the great case though, that it will ultimately have a
00:15:37.240 worse outcome for you as you get older, that ultimately it'll have a worse outcome on
00:15:42.400 you as an individual. It'll have a worse outcome on you as a man to not have children. It'll
00:15:46.520 have a worse outcome for you. Ultimately. I think, I think I can demonstrate that pretty
00:15:51.300 easily, but, um, but I'm with you in the idea of like, you know, yeah, trying to tell a bunch 0.99
00:15:56.820 of 25 year old men not to go fuck everything that moves when it's willing to have sex with 1.00
00:16:01.440 it. That seems like a tall order. I get it. Uh, but I don't think, I don't think for 1.00
00:16:06.400 practical purposes, um, ultimately that, that the red pill is right on that. I think
00:16:11.980 that, that the Christian right is more correct on that, that the outcomes for most men would
00:16:15.800 be better ultimately served, uh, and in the short term for society ultimately served by
00:16:21.640 trying to remove promiscuity in these behaviors.
00:16:23.960 But if you take like society out of it and go on like an individual basis, like if the men
00:16:30.560 that are loyal aren't really getting loyalty back and they're getting divorced, it's like
00:16:35.000 where, what do they, what do they, what do they get? Like, what do they get out of it?
00:16:42.220 Like, I'll tell you. Yeah. In that case, you're right. Yeah. Right. But what about Muslim nations? 0.98
00:16:45.740 Are there women cheating? The truth is, is they're not objectively, they're not, the punishments 1.00
00:16:50.060 are so severe. Right. And the fact that you have to have chaperones, even for women to walk 0.85
00:16:55.700 around, they have to have male chaperones to walk them. That's not all the Muslim countries. 1.00
00:16:59.440 I know it's not all of them, but even in the ones that are more progressive, they're
00:17:02.540 not cheating as much as no way. So it's giving a demonstration of like, well, wait, if there
00:17:06.780 is social outcomes, so there are ways to govern nations where there's social outcomes for
00:17:11.120 these behaviors, it doesn't even need to be that extreme. That's way you don't even need
00:17:15.200 to make it where they, you know, you have to wear a shoe. Can't show you. We've had this
00:17:20.200 before in this country. It wasn't that long ago. Right. But like we're operating in the
00:17:24.160 country we have now, you know what I mean? And I just don't think there's any incentive
00:17:28.300 with what we have now and not like what could be or what, like, you know, I'm not, you know,
00:17:33.380 dealing with the problem with that argument is, is like Rome was full of a bunch of pedestry 0.93
00:17:37.700 and homosexuality and all sorts of gross things. Right. And it did reform eventually. Right. 1.00
00:17:43.300 There was some destruction, which happened, but yeah, like the virtues have to necessarily
00:17:47.680 switch. So you go from Rome to like, uh, 1800s America, 1800s America looks real, real straight
00:17:55.960 laced in comparison to Rome. Right. Like real straight laced. So it's like this idea of,
00:18:01.040 oh, you can't put it back in the, you can't put the shit back in the horse. It's like, 0.99
00:18:04.040 yeah, well, I'm not, I'm not saying that you can't do it. I'm saying I wouldn't bet on it
00:18:08.180 happening anytime soon. Yeah. When Gen Z women, yeah, it's a gradual process. 1.00
00:18:13.040 And so we have to live in the laws that are governed now. And I like, I think a lot of times
00:18:18.680 what conservatives miss when they say like men shouldn't sleep around. I'm like, well,
00:18:22.280 you have to give them something for it. And right now they're saying like, do this for
00:18:26.440 nothing. And it's just not a good sell. Well, I would say do this in hopes that one day we
00:18:31.020 have Afghan laws. Well, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying that hopefully one day 1.00
00:18:37.000 we have Afghan laws. I'm just pointing out that obviously we can look at so at the social
00:18:41.680 conditions of nations and the social conditions of societies to see where women are doing these 1.00
00:18:46.280 things or not doing these things. Right. The Western nations is where they're mostly being
00:18:49.480 done. That's the primary areas that where sexual liberation is there. And this is the primary 0.94
00:18:55.600 problem. So I would just say this, just like it took 80 years for us to get here. Right.
00:19:02.520 It might take just as long to make the gradual transition the other direction. You know what
00:19:07.820 I mean? But we have some things on our side. But yeah, you're telling like in 80 years, you'll
00:19:11.060 get a wife. No, no, no. I'm not saying in 80 years, you'll get a wife. 0.90