Pearl - June 15, 2025


Masculinity Under Attack: Men Losing the Battle for Marriage and Respect @ItsComplicatedChannel


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In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and long-time supporter, Dr. Aaron Horschig, to discuss his thoughts on masculinity and the way that society views it. We talk about the role of masculinity in society and how it affects our society. We also talk about why we see gay men as more oppressed than straight men and why straight men can't even be themselves without being a man.

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00:00:00.000 when I've seen you call out the trad cons, usually, uh, you'll call it like, I love the,
00:00:04.700 uh, the interview that you did with, with Michael Knowles. Uh, we've talked about, you know,
00:00:07.920 marriage and it not being, you know, a good deal for men. And, um, in my last episode about the
00:00:12.900 dowry, I actually used a clip of that, um, where he basically said, you know, that if you get a
00:00:17.560 prenup, it invalidates the sacrament and all that other stuff. But, um, not only do we talk about,
00:00:23.820 um, how the trad cons view marriage and, you know, they're not really doing enough as we would all
00:00:29.820 like to see them kind of, you know, reform the laws and the family courts and remove the liabilities
00:00:34.260 when it comes to, uh, marriage, but also just how they view masculinity, how, you know, being a man
00:00:40.900 is all about, uh, protect, provide, sacrifice, serve, don't complain. Um, and so the way that
00:00:49.260 masculinity is being defined, I think is a big problem. And, you know, one of the questions
00:00:54.640 that I want to ask at some point, uh, coming up is, do you think men are smart enough to realize
00:00:59.160 that masculinity is the first thing that anyone will attack when they want to control men? 1.00
00:01:04.420 That's a real, I just did it. That's a really good question.
00:01:07.300 It's complicated.
00:01:08.160 Yeah. What do you think the answer is? Do you think men, do you think men, because when I'm,
00:01:14.300 when I hear that question, my mind goes two ways. One way is I've seen men take some really,
00:01:20.160 really bad deals in my lifetime, but I don't, I think social media also has opened the floodgates
00:01:27.720 where women used to be a lot more deceptive and they can't be, um, like, you know, I see 1.00
00:01:33.900 like on Tik TOK and stuff, women getting like ratioed when they tell like a abuse story or 1.00
00:01:39.860 do you know what I mean? Like, and that just never used to happen like 10 years ago. So,
00:01:43.480 uh, or, um, men, you know, realizing that they're the bailout guy where I don't like 10 years ago,
00:01:51.660 they just kind of fell for it. Cause we didn't have all this media. Um, that's my initial thought,
00:01:56.920 but I don't have an answer. So I'm curious what you think.
00:02:00.140 Well, like, okay. If I had to answer my own question, I would say that, um, you know,
00:02:04.720 so, so masculinity is almost like this, this prescripted idea that this identity that men
00:02:13.240 have to follow, um, where, um, I guess you, um, like, okay, you know, man up and get married
00:02:23.120 or, you know, okay. If you're, uh, if you don't do a, B and C, you're not a real man. So masculinity
00:02:29.860 is also the first thing that's promoted when they want to control men. And I think that, 1.00
00:02:34.140 um, you know, you see trad cons doing this, you even see some red pillars doing this.
00:02:38.900 They will say things like, uh, you know, you know, Oh, you're, you, you've got really feminine 0.99
00:02:45.200 energy right now, or you're a beta male or you're simp, or you're a weak man, or you're gay. 1.00
00:02:49.880 First thing. And I think that the strongest men are the ones who don't fall, fall prey to that. 1.00
00:02:57.260 Um, even following up in that, in that logic train, I was going to say, um, do you think
00:03:02.840 it's true that, uh, our society is more willing to accept gay men than it will accept straight 0.99
00:03:08.760 men who don't meet masculinity standards? Oh my gosh. That's such, I, yeah, I think you're 0.51
00:03:15.200 right. Like they're more willing to accept gay men than, yeah. So then why do we see gay men 1.00
00:03:21.800 as more oppressed than straight men when straight men can't even be themselves without following 0.80
00:03:26.320 this masculine script? Have you done a video with that one? That's coming up. Okay. That
00:03:29.940 was like, that is a great line of questioning. Wow. Um, no, cause you're totally right. Like
00:03:36.880 people will shame. I mean, I even use the simple and I can't help it. Uh, yeah, but I mean,
00:03:42.320 I think that, uh, it's, it's, it's all about, you know, that's just, you see it everywhere
00:03:48.900 on social media. Women do it. Uh, trad cons do it. Some red pillars do it. It's like, it's 0.99
00:03:55.780 like, this is what a real man is supposed to be. And I'm saying, well, why another line
00:04:02.400 of questioning that I've used in, in a, in a past episode was when we talk about what
00:04:06.720 empowers men and what empowers women, why is female empowerment all about liberation 0.73
00:04:12.500 and choice while men's empowerment is all about masculinity, duty and sacrifice, which
00:04:18.720 is actually the opposite of liberation and choice. How can what empowers one gender be 1.00
00:04:23.760 the opposite of what empowers the other? So for women, it's more freedom. And for men,
00:04:28.360 it's more duty and responsibility. And so what's going on here, you know?
00:04:33.080 So what is your goal with your content? Do you have like, um, an end goal that you're
00:04:37.860 hoping to achieve or, uh, I'm just kind of curious what, uh, like in five years you're
00:04:43.340 hoping to get,
00:04:44.220 I think that we need to have more honest conversations about what masculinity truly means,
00:04:50.900 what, what it means to be a man, what the expectations are of women, what the expectations
00:04:55.100 are of society. Um, I think that what's happening right now is, um, you know, are we going to
00:05:01.260 accept a world of double standards or are we going to try to, you know, level the playing
00:05:06.040 field and actually have equality? Now, what's happening is a lot of times people say, well,
00:05:10.820 men and women can't be equal because we're not the same, but I don't think that's necessarily
00:05:14.940 true because nobody in our society is truly the same, but we should have, you know, different
00:05:20.480 races aren't the same, but we should all have equal rights under the law. We have equal
00:05:25.600 justice. So I think that, you know, just to say that men and women, you know, should there
00:05:32.520 be double standards just because we're not the same? I mean, I understand that, you know,
00:05:36.040 we have different strengths and we have different weaknesses, but I think that, um, you know,
00:05:40.620 to have these, these very strict roles is a very, uh, is a very kind of a strange idea
00:05:46.560 in a society where the laws aren't the same. The technology is different. We're just where
00:05:51.740 it's a completely different culture. And, you know, uh, I think that another question
00:05:56.880 I wanted to ask you, actually, I'll, I'll, I'll throw it back at you. Um, if you had to
00:06:01.420 choose, what would you rather see? Would you rather see women go back to the way they were 1.00
00:06:06.800 before feminism, or would you rather see men liberated from their masculine role? 0.93
00:06:12.820 I, I would rather, um, I think the only solution to feminism is more feminism. 1.00
00:06:21.860 So I, so, so I only think like when women start getting the same sentences as men, 0.57
00:06:28.120 that they might stop like hitting them, for example, right? When they actually start being
00:06:33.220 put in jail or, you know, women with the right to vote when they start actually having consequences 0.98
00:06:39.480 for what we vote for instead of being bailed out. Um, that's more what I would like to see. I'd
00:06:45.300 like to see more fair laws where we're actually equal under the law. Okay. Well, for example,
00:06:49.780 um, when we talk about, uh, false, uh, accusations, right? I've heard a lot of people,
00:06:54.140 um, you know, suggest the idea that there should be an equal punishment for a false accusation
00:06:59.700 as if, you know, you were convicted of that accusation, but obviously, yeah, we need to
00:07:04.300 have more accountability, um, or, you know, equal accountability, I guess, for these things,
00:07:09.560 because, you know, if, if, if women don't have skin in the game, there's no incentive. Correct. Yeah. 1.00
00:07:15.160 So I think that, um, it, it comes down to the fact that, uh, I think, you know, I don't know if
00:07:21.040 it's necessarily, you know, it's going to be a combination of asking more of women and maybe
00:07:24.980 slightly less of men. And also women are having like, I'm one of 10 kids. We're having like one
00:07:31.160 and a half. I don't know if that's enough to be a housewife. Well, like one kid, you could go like
00:07:38.140 be a teacher or something. Well, I mean, is it, is it, I read a comment this morning where someone
00:07:42.820 said, is it, is it surprising for women to expect women to want to have children when women are now
00:07:48.220 expected to be in the workforce and providing for even for themselves? Well, yeah, but the average is
00:07:54.880 1.5. Yeah. So to me, I don't, I mean, men still want to have kids, even though they have to work.
00:08:01.580 Right. It's true. Yeah. So I don't, I just don't think women want to be mothers as much as we 0.99
00:08:07.200 originally thought, because if we wanted to, we would have. So, so how do you respond then when
00:08:11.980 people say that, you know, women naturally want to be that way? Like, in other words, if it was 1.00
00:08:15.240 natural, why did it change? I don't think it was. And the reason, you know, it made me come to this
00:08:20.160 conclusion. So it was, um, I couldn't believe how mad women got over abortion when I like, 0.94
00:08:26.880 it was like, that was the most visceral when I would debate women where they would just get so 1.00
00:08:31.100 angry. I'm like, why are you so angry over just a difference in opinion? Um, and I used to fight
00:08:37.000 really hard because, um, my parents like adopted kids. And so pro-life was just something I kind of
00:08:42.700 grew up with. Um, but then I just realized that the infant mortality rate is very similar to the
00:08:49.900 abortion rate today. Wow. So that leads, I don't have proof or evidence of this, but just anecdotally
00:08:57.120 arguing with women and seeing how much they just fight to what I would view as abort their children, 1.00
00:09:03.480 kill their children. I think it's always been like this. I think it's like now that social media is 0.94
00:09:09.480 here. We have like, we can see what women actually are. It's well, it's you disagree or agree? Well,
00:09:16.080 I think that, uh, yeah, I mean, I can see that, but I also think that, um, as far as women wanting
00:09:23.500 to be able to, um, it just comes down to the fact that women want to be able to have the choice to do 0.99
00:09:28.600 that. I mean, obviously I think that, uh, uh, like I used to always kind of wonder about this. It's like,
00:09:34.080 okay, well, the women who are having abortions, do we really want those women reproducing anyway and 1.00
00:09:38.520 stuff? Cause they're probably just going to raise more, you know, male feminist children and stuff, 1.00
00:09:42.500 I guess. So. I mean, I just, I just think it's useless to fight over it. Like they'll just,
00:09:49.260 they'll die. Like I think the pro-life movement, like, yeah, they got Roe versus Wade, but if you
00:09:54.640 think a plan B is an abortion, which they do, I mean, those are like through the roof. Yeah. So I just
00:10:01.020 don't see it going anywhere in my lifetime, but it would be interesting to like, I think men,
00:10:07.120 like we've talked about this, but our men should be able to opt out of child support if women can 0.99
00:10:11.300 opt out of motherhood. Like, and that's what I mean. The financial abortion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And
00:10:15.580 that's what I mean. I think the solution to feminism is more feminism. Like we asked to be free. Here you 1.00
00:10:21.040 go. Well, the, one of the things that I was looking into was the idea of, uh, back in the seventies.
00:10:28.700 I mean, I'm sure you've heard of Warren Farrell, for example, right? He was, uh, kind of like
00:10:32.860 the father of, of, uh, this men's liberation movement, um, where basically, you know, in the
00:10:40.600 seventies they were trying to, you know, liberate women, but then they were also trying to liberate
00:10:44.400 men. There's actually a famous black and white photo on the internet, um, of a protest where it
00:10:49.620 said, you know, let's share custody. And they wanted mandatory 50, 50 physical custody. And they
00:10:54.120 also wanted, uh, men to be viewed as more than just success objects. Meanwhile, today we're promoting
00:11:01.480 the very opposite of that. We're saying that, uh, men should be success objects. And so I
00:11:08.260 think that, um, maybe revisiting that idea of maybe gender roles can be more fluid or more
00:11:15.080 of a choice as opposed, as opposed to more of an expectation. Um, so what would that look
00:11:21.020 like to you? So like, you know, relationship beginning to end, how would it go? Well, I mean,
00:11:27.000 I think that, uh, um, you know, there are plenty of things that women are capable of that they're 1.00
00:11:34.480 not doing just because they believe that that's a man's job, you know, like anything women don't 1.00
00:11:38.720 want to do is automatically labeled masculinity, right? I mean, women, women are perfectly capable 1.00
00:11:44.940 of approaching men for business, but they won't approach men for relationships. And it's crazy
00:11:51.280 because if women approach men, they're far more likely to have success than if men approach women.
00:11:55.960 Plus women don't like being approached by the men that they're, that they don't like. So we kind of,
00:12:00.460 um, so you'd like to see women approach men. Oh, absolutely. I think that that would,
00:12:04.440 that would definitely, um, but you know, a lot of people will say, Oh, but that, you know,
00:12:07.620 the man is supposed to lead. And it's like, well, you know, the women control the dating market, 1.00
00:12:12.080 but the men are somehow the leaders. And it's kind of a weird, you know,
00:12:15.120 they kind of did that in Bumble. Like now that everything's digital, do you think that works?
00:12:18.740 Of course not. Because what is, when a woman messaged you on Bumble, what's, what's her 1.00
00:12:22.720 message? Hey, that's all they say to say, Hey, and nothing else. And then they still expect the
00:12:27.000 man to kind of take over. In fact, I even asked a question about this similar. I said,
00:12:31.020 okay, if men are expected to protect women because they're physically stronger,
00:12:35.860 why can't women pay all the bills? Why are both duties assigned to the man? So there are plenty of, 1.00
00:12:41.100 you know, I mean, cause we still have this, this idea, you know, his money is, is our money and,
00:12:46.540 you know, her money is her money. And I'm saying, okay, well then what are women 1.00
00:12:48.700 working for? You know what I mean? So there's plenty of things that women are capable of. 1.00
00:12:52.820 And it's like, okay, well then step, step up and prove it. But we're always expecting the men to
00:12:56.620 step up to delusional standards. Men have more, we're asking more of men than has ever been asked
00:13:04.420 in history. And the other thing too, is women's money is way easier to get. It is far easier to 1.00
00:13:10.260 make money as a woman because like at 22, you could go be like a pharmacist. Like there are girls 1.00
00:13:15.500 from my school that went and made six figures right out of college as a pharmaceutical sales rep.
00:13:20.000 How long would that take a guy to do? Well, women are getting, you know, they have female 1.00
00:13:24.320 only scholarships. Women are getting, obviously there was all the DEI stuff. I don't know how
00:13:29.640 that's changing now with the new administration. You also have the, you know, I mean, women, 1.00
00:13:36.460 they always have a bailout. They could do OnlyFans if they want to. They, I mean, women, you know, 1.00
00:13:41.720 female bartenders, female hostesses, you know, cocktail waitresses in Vegas. I mean, 1.00
00:13:46.980 they make a lot of money just because they can use their looks to open a lot of doors.
00:13:52.320 Is that a thing here? I've heard that they, there's like in Vegas, really hot, like broke
00:13:59.000 guys that they're, that they just live off of these bottle girls. Is that a thing? 1.00
00:14:03.060 Uh, I, I don't know. It's, it's, it's possible. I mean, I'm sure that you do interviews all
00:14:09.540 the time. You'd never run into anything like that.
00:14:11.560 Uh, not so much, but that would be a good question. Like maybe just kind of find out
00:14:15.100 like, yeah, do you got some, uh, you know, some Chad living with you who, uh, I mean,
00:14:19.620 I mean, look, I've heard some women saying, you know, Oh, you know, I've, I've taken care 1.00
00:14:24.440 of men before, but I mean, are women going to take those men seriously for a relationship
00:14:29.120 or are they just looking for an F boy? You know what I mean? So. Yeah. There was a guy
00:14:33.000 I knew in London and that was his play is he went and got really jacked and he would
00:14:39.220 just hit on like 32 year old lawyers and live for free in London. Well, that's the thing
00:14:46.360 also. It's kind of like, yeah, he, he kind of reversed the system where he's like, I'm
00:14:51.240 just going to go to the gym. It's easier than getting a job. Yeah. Well, well, well, well,
00:14:56.620 it's funny too, because, uh, it was kind of like, I remember when I was at the, uh, the,
00:15:00.640 uh, the AVN awards and I was interviewing the sex workers. Um, I asked a question about,
00:15:05.260 uh, if a, uh, unwanted pregnancy happened during the shooting of a professional scene,
00:15:10.680 because obviously sex work is filmed without condoms. Um, then, you know, is there anything
00:15:16.320 that the man can do to avoid being held responsible for child support? And, um, this, uh, woman said
00:15:21.680 to me, well, you know, if, if I get pregnant, then I'm definitely going after that man for
00:15:25.580 child support. And I said, well, actually, since sex worker, female sex workers are getting 1.00
00:15:30.300 paid more than male sex workers. Wouldn't you be the one responsible to pay child support? 1.00
00:15:35.400 What'd she say? Um, actually, well, it's unfortunate because I didn't think of that at the time. I
00:15:40.120 thought of that after the fact. So that's the thing. Sometimes, um, you know, follow-up questions
00:15:45.340 will come a little bit late. Like, you know, I said, oh, I should have said this or should have
00:15:48.580 said that. But, um, but I did kind of, uh, I don't know. It's just, I think that, um, even when
00:15:54.040 I'm doing like street interviews, sometimes it's like so noisy. I mean, just like, this
00:15:57.800 is one of the noisiest cities. I mean, I'm out on the strip, you know, on, you know, a
00:16:01.400 Friday or Saturday night and you've got motorcycles and helicopters. And sometimes people are like
00:16:05.460 right in front of your face and I can't hear what they're saying. And so there's times
00:16:08.740 where I want to follow up or sometimes I think of, you know, a good follow-up that I
00:16:12.160 couldn't say later. And so, you know, it's just, uh, you know, I'm an evolving creator
00:16:18.300 just like you are and stuff. I'm learning new things, you know, as I grow, if you look at
00:16:21.540 my earliest stuff, I'm thinking, oh, I could have said this. And, you know, so we're all
00:16:26.040 learning. So, okay. So you'd like to see women approach men. Like what other masculine
00:16:30.480 like duties would you say? Would you like men to be like? The idea that the idea that
00:16:34.660 men are expected to be the sole providers or that, you know, or just this, this notion
00:16:39.480 that, you know, I mean, you know, that men have to have all this money. I mean, who's advocating
00:16:45.740 for the average man? Do we want to live in a society where only the top 10, 20%
00:16:51.420 of men get all the women and then the bottom 80% of men are all just celibate? And then
00:16:56.840 what's going to be the incentive for them to want to do anything? And then we're sitting
00:17:01.940 here and we're saying, you know, oh, well, men are weak because they want to stay home
00:17:05.000 and play video games. And it's like, well, what should they do? Go out and be in the
00:17:09.200 social scene and get, you know, abused and get ripped off. So I think that what's happening
00:17:14.620 is I almost believe that the male loneliness epidemic might be by design because I think
00:17:20.440 that, you know, the whole idea that sex sells. And, um, I think kind of like everyone's
00:17:27.500 exploiting men now. Everyone's exploiting that problem. I think that, um, I think that there
00:17:33.440 are feminists exploiting those lonely men to try to sell them only fans. And there are 0.80
00:17:37.520 trad cons exploiting those lonely men to try to sell them marriage, which is an unfair
00:17:41.200 deal. And there are dating coaches trying to exploit those lonely men to sell them courses 1.00
00:17:46.220 and self-improvement. So I guess how would that, I'm just trying to think of a world,
00:17:53.860 like, do you think that's even possible where, um, men, like women are really going to approach
00:18:00.980 men? Like, you know, I'm not, I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice. I'm just wondering if you
00:18:06.100 think, or that like, um, yeah, go ahead. I think what happens is, is, uh, necessity is
00:18:13.720 the mother of invention. People do what they have to do. Obviously I think that, that the,
00:18:18.520 you know, the reason a lot of men simp is because they kind of have to because men, you know,
00:18:25.220 you ever hear the expression, all men pay. It's like, it's like, even if you're not paying
00:18:28.880 with your money, you pay with your money, energy, attention, and time you men have to earn it. So 0.69
00:18:34.880 it's kind of like men just have to play the game and women are the ones who make the rules. And so 0.94
00:18:41.420 what ends up happening is, um, I think that it just comes down to a question of who has the leverage
00:18:46.860 right now, women control access to sex. Sex is the ultimate power and women know this and women 1.00
00:18:53.900 abuse this. And so men are basically stuck, you know, I mean, men have a higher biological need
00:18:59.860 for sex and women. I think men actually like sex is a need for, for most men. And so, um, I think
00:19:06.640 that in order to kind of like level the playing field, I mean, I'm not necessarily saying like,
00:19:10.900 you know, women have to approach men, but in other words, I believe that women are coming from an 0.69
00:19:14.380 abundance mindset. Men are coming from a scarcity mindset. Of course, unless you're like that top,
00:19:18.940 you know, 10% man who has women approaching you. And the whole idea of women approaching is kind
00:19:23.840 of not that far fetched because a lot of these dating coaches want to sculpt men to become that 1.00
00:19:29.080 super high value men that women chase. So women will chase the minority of men, but men are chasing 0.93
00:19:35.900 the majority of women. So I think what has to happen is there has to be some kind of shift in, 0.72
00:19:41.580 in leverage. And I think a big thing that would help that is men being given more access to more
00:19:49.660 sexual access. In other words, I think what's happening right now is everyone's telling men
00:19:52.780 step up and pay a higher price to the point where they're overpaying. I think what we need to focus
00:19:58.820 on is I think we need to figure out ways to lower the price. Um, I've done several episodes on, I think
00:20:06.420 that, that legalization of prostitution. I know it's a very, uh, controversial topic. Not a lot of
00:20:11.680 people talk about it, but I think if prostitution was safe and regulated prostitution, I'm not talking
00:20:17.200 about streetwalkers. I'm talking about if we had brothels and men could go get sex anytime they 1.00
00:20:21.160 wanted. I think that women would have to be forced to bring more to the table because sex wouldn't be 1.00
00:20:27.120 enough. Do you see that in Vegas? Cause isn't it semi-legal here? Um, not necessarily. It's legal in
00:20:36.660 Pahrump, I believe, or in, uh, Nye County. Uh, it's like a, I think it's like a two hour drive away, but it's
00:20:41.860 not, it's not convenient. It's not affordable. Most people can't afford, you know, a three to five
00:20:47.360 hundred dollar, you know what I mean? But, um, what we have right now is almost worse than prostitution
00:20:52.520 because I think men are paying for the opportunity to maybe get it, but they're not actually getting 0.93
00:20:56.300 it. Um, and so I think, you know, I mean, I've even asked the question, you know, if Megan could get
00:21:03.380 sex anytime they want, almost like go to a massage parlor or almost like we have dispensaries for, you know,
00:21:08.760 um, I think that, that if that was available to men, I think they wouldn't, they wouldn't feel the
00:21:15.120 need to, uh, to overpay. They would be more selective because they would, you know, and I
00:21:20.420 think there'd be no reason to be with a woman other than love. And I could actually see that 0.99
00:21:24.260 potentially happening. Could you? Well, I mean, why not in Vegas? I mean, yeah, makes the most sense
00:21:30.680 here to start with, but, um, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's, it might be an unfortunate reality
00:21:37.600 that we're headed towards, but I know that trad cons definitely wouldn't like that because it
00:21:41.780 promotes degeneracy according to their, yeah. But if they cared about degeneracy,
00:21:46.160 they would promote young marriage and they don't. Well, yeah. Like if they, if, cause like sex is a 0.73
00:21:53.260 need and people are going to have sex with somebody. So if you're not promoting people to get married
00:21:57.960 at, like, when does the sex drive start? Like, I don't even want to say it. Cause we're not like,
00:22:02.740 it's kind of uncomfortable and we're on YouTube, but it's like, it's pretty young. So like, if we're
00:22:07.480 having sex, like urges from the time you're 14, 15, 16 years old, like, you know, even at 22,
00:22:15.980 most people aren't going to be virgins if they have the choice. Yeah. So I'm like, unless you're
00:22:22.360 promoting a young merit, like young marriage, what are people going to do about their sex drives? I was
00:22:27.340 just on a Christian show like five days ago. And I was, it just premiered today actually. And I was
00:22:33.180 arguing with the guys and saying that sex was a need for men and that if Christians like cared 0.94
00:22:38.240 about degeneracy, they would push young marriage like 18. Someone told me also that, uh, I think,
00:22:43.960 um, you know, could that possibly even keep marriages together? I mean, it's, it's, someone said
00:22:50.900 something about like, uh, I think it was in Japan where, where married men will go off and go see,
00:22:55.580 you know, concubines or whatever it is, you know, kind of on the side and the wives just don't want 1.00
00:23:00.320 to hear about it. Um, but I'm not sure. I mean, it's, you know, should men be stuck in a dead 0.98
00:23:06.420 bedroom marriage? You know what I mean? Cause I mean, obviously when we talk about marriages,
00:23:09.660 a lot of times men are hostages within their own marriage and, you know, women are paid to leave
00:23:14.000 and men, you know, it's cheaper to keep her. Oh, I'm not saying that like guys, especially in this
00:23:18.520 climate should get married at 18, but I'm saying if the conservatives cared about degeneracy,
00:23:23.040 they'd push it. Right. Cause then that problem solved. Yeah. I, I kind of, uh, had this question
00:23:28.760 about that. I said, why is it that anything feminists don't like, they label misogyny and 1.00
00:23:34.080 anything that, uh, trad cons don't like, they label degeneracy. Oh, wow. That's a good question.
00:23:41.440 That's a good question. So it's just two competing ideologies.
00:23:53.040 Yeah.
00:23:54.500 Yeah.
00:23:56.440 Yeah.
00:23:59.760 Yeah.
00:23:59.860 Yeah.
00:24:01.940 Yeah.
00:24:03.980 Um, yeah.