Pearl - June 10, 2025


Modern Masculinity, Feminism, and the Dating Crisis w⧸ @ItsComplicatedChannel


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On this episode of the It's Complicated Podcast, I sit down with the man behind the "The Red Pill" and ask him the question, "Why aren't women marching for the lives of men like they did in Vietnam?"

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00:00:00.280 Femininity is almost an excuse for women to avoid accountability. 1.00
00:00:05.140 Women control access to sex. 1.00
00:00:06.800 Sex is the ultimate power. 1.00
00:00:08.880 And women know this, and women abuse this. 1.00
00:00:11.540 Because right now it's men competing for the women. 0.68
00:00:13.860 All the dating advice online is all about what men need to do to get women.
00:00:21.460 There are feminists exploiting those lonely men to try to sell them OnlyFans. 1.00
00:00:25.400 And there are TradCons exploiting those lonely men to try to sell them marriage, which is an unfair deal.
00:00:30.580 And there are dating coaches trying to exploit those lonely men to sell them courses and self-improvement.
00:00:40.620 We all talk about the female entitlement problem. 0.99
00:00:43.780 Women are entitled.
00:00:45.020 Well, how do you address women's sense of entitlement without first addressing men's sense of obligation?
00:00:51.280 People will say that, you know, well, it's all natural.
00:00:53.720 Well, you know, masculinity is a natural process. 0.90
00:00:56.560 Well, then why are men shamed to be sculpted that way?
00:01:00.440 Do we have to shame birds on how to fly? 0.92
00:01:05.520 Female empowerment, all about liberation and choice.
00:01:09.280 While men's empowerment is all about masculinity, duty, and sacrifice, 0.99
00:01:13.680 which is actually the opposite of liberation and choice.
00:01:17.480 How can what empowers one gender be the opposite of what empowers the other? 0.99
00:01:20.720 So for women, it's more freedom, and for men, it's more duty and responsibility.
00:01:25.820 And so what's going on here, you know?
00:01:28.440 During the Vietnam War, you had women actually marching for, you know, men being sent off to die in war.
00:01:34.720 Oh, I see.
00:01:35.740 And now today, it's like, you're not a real man if you don't fight in war.
00:01:39.940 Okay, I see what you're saying.
00:01:41.040 And not only that, but I mean, look at the male deletion rate, right?
00:01:45.900 And it's like, okay, so why aren't women marching for those lives today? 1.00
00:01:54.240 What up, guys?
00:01:55.480 Welcome to the Just Pearly Things YouTube channel, and welcome to the sit down.
00:01:59.220 Today, I have John on the channel with me, the man, the myth, the legend behind the best questions on YouTube.
00:02:06.500 Welcome to the show.
00:02:07.940 He is the guy behind the It's Complicated channel.
00:02:10.900 Hello, Pearl.
00:02:11.380 How are you?
00:02:11.900 I'm good.
00:02:12.540 How are you?
00:02:13.160 I'm great.
00:02:13.620 Thank you for having me.
00:02:14.700 Thanks for coming on.
00:02:16.280 So I'm so curious, how do you come up with the questions?
00:02:21.220 Well, I guess you start to, you know, after a while, you start to notice that women will say one thing, 0.67
00:02:29.420 and then what they do kind of doesn't always line up with that.
00:02:32.460 And so you start to see patterns, and then you start to see double standards in behavior.
00:02:38.180 And so I would just look at what women would say and then what they would do. 1.00
00:02:42.080 Or, you know, when you look at double standards, you know, you kind of like flip the genders,
00:02:46.000 and you say, well, wait a second.
00:02:47.060 Would this be okay if a man did it?
00:02:48.680 And that's kind of the inception of how, I guess, a lot of it starts.
00:02:52.440 And did you notice this from a young age or like how, like, everyone always wonders,
00:02:58.760 like, what's your origin story?
00:03:00.680 You know, how did you find the red pill?
00:03:03.500 Well, I mean, I think that a lot of, especially, you know, men realize that once they get into the
00:03:09.540 whole dating scene, they realize that it's not quite in their favor.
00:03:12.780 You know, there's just different struggles that they go through.
00:03:15.120 I'm sure women go through struggles as well. 1.00
00:03:16.860 But, you know, men are kind of expected to be the pursuers and the initiators.
00:03:21.880 And then, you know, I mean, some of the earliest questions that I thought of was,
00:03:25.740 it's like, well, women would say that they want a nice guy, but then they continually go 1.00
00:03:29.000 for these bad boys who would kind of, you know, F them over and stuff.
00:03:32.520 So it's like, you know, do women even know what they want? 1.00
00:03:35.900 And, you know, I would start to hear other, you know, people say things like, you know,
00:03:40.260 women are emotional. 1.00
00:03:41.540 And then I just started to dive a little bit deeper and say, well, you know,
00:03:46.860 what's really going on here?
00:03:48.760 And I just figured, okay, let me just see, you know, what women say when I try to challenge 1.00
00:03:53.080 them on why they kind of believe what they believe.
00:03:57.320 And so when you started doing the interviews, like what were some of the biggest, I guess,
00:04:02.640 what were the most common answers that you got where women's actions didn't match what 1.00
00:04:07.120 they were doing?
00:04:07.780 Um, I think it really came down to the fact that, uh, you know, they would, I mean, obviously
00:04:18.300 when they would say they want a guy, you know, who's, who's a gentleman and a nice guy, and
00:04:23.100 then you would just kind of see how they would go for these guys who don't really care about
00:04:26.780 them.
00:04:27.040 Um, and it's like, well, you know, you want, you want this attention from guys, but then
00:04:33.800 it's like, but then it's not quite, it's like, you want a certain outcome.
00:04:39.300 Uh, I don't know.
00:04:40.880 Like I just noticed that most of like the dating advice that men would get was always about
00:04:46.000 like, you know, this is what you're supposed to do, but it was never about like, what are
00:04:50.020 women supposed to do? 1.00
00:04:50.820 You know what I mean?
00:04:51.280 And so it was just like, there's a burden of performance for men, but not for women.
00:04:56.160 Yeah.
00:04:56.480 And so at some point, you know, you, you just, you just wonder like, what are women complaining
00:05:01.200 about?
00:05:01.520 Like why, why is the burden always on men?
00:05:04.220 Why are men always expected to change?
00:05:06.080 And then at one point I was almost just trying to figure out like, is dating harder for men
00:05:10.960 or for women?
00:05:12.140 And, you know, after all of this red pill content, I think we can pretty much all, you know, mutually
00:05:18.340 agree and come to a consensus on the fact that dating is just much, much harder.
00:05:21.280 harder for men based on just the male loneliness epidemic, based on, you know, the, the fact
00:05:26.520 that, uh, 80% of men are viewed as unattractive according to, you know, the, the majority of
00:05:32.640 women. 0.81
00:05:32.840 So it's like, well, why, why is that?
00:05:36.880 What's going on in our, in our society right now?
00:05:38.960 So.
00:05:39.540 And have you had women?
00:05:40.960 Cause I've been attacked a few times, not off. 0.83
00:05:44.380 I mean, to be, I'm probably over exact the one, it was like this fat chick one time and 0.97
00:05:48.580 she just was trying to go for, you know, the whale attack.
00:05:50.820 Yeah.
00:05:51.060 The whale attack.
00:05:52.380 But I was just curious, has that ever happened to you where like people get angry and they
00:05:58.100 try to, cause I mean, it can be dangerous sometimes doing street interviews, especially
00:06:02.300 you're going out at night, there's drunk people.
00:06:04.860 Oh yeah.
00:06:05.140 No, I've seen episodes of you and I was actually concerned for your safety where I've seen,
00:06:09.060 you know, some people get triggered.
00:06:10.600 I think, uh, um, I don't know, it was just something about like a girl, like stole your
00:06:14.360 sign or something like that.
00:06:15.520 Or I forget, forget exactly what, what clip it was.
00:06:17.440 It was a while back.
00:06:18.140 But, um, see for me, I don't just question feminists. 1.00
00:06:21.860 I will question, uh, trad cons.
00:06:24.780 I will question, I'll question dating coaches and stuff.
00:06:27.220 Right.
00:06:27.420 And some people, I mean, if you believe in something, that's fine.
00:06:31.560 I just would like to understand why, but some people can't even defend why they believe what
00:06:36.100 they believe.
00:06:36.560 And the minute that their ideology is, is challenged, they, sometimes they go kaplooey.
00:06:43.740 They go, you know, they get triggered.
00:06:45.540 Um, I mean, I, I was at a, uh, a convention where I had a cowboy who basically said, look,
00:06:50.620 I'm not going to sit here and argue with you.
00:06:51.920 You know, you want to know my, my opinions.
00:06:53.400 And I said, whoa, whoa, you know, let's lower the temperature here.
00:06:56.900 I'm just trying to understand.
00:06:58.660 And so, um, I think anybody can get, can get triggered, you know, but I don't think there's
00:07:04.380 any, uh, thing in this world that's not subject to question.
00:07:08.660 So that's.
00:07:09.380 Yeah.
00:07:09.500 Cause you do a really good job.
00:07:11.380 Like you don't raise your voice.
00:07:12.860 Really.
00:07:13.400 You don't like, you do a very good job of being like even keel when you, and I don't always
00:07:18.600 do that. 0.95
00:07:19.140 Cause they start to like, if they say something dumb, I want to tell them. 0.97
00:07:22.280 Right. 0.73
00:07:22.420 But you, you do such a good job of not directly telling them, but like, you just like trap
00:07:29.160 them with another question.
00:07:30.780 I noticed that once, once people start to get emotional, uh, then, you know, then logic
00:07:36.920 kind of goes out the window.
00:07:38.060 And so I think that as long as you can kind of just keep it where, you know, everybody
00:07:46.380 is calm, uh, and you're just trying to understand what's going on.
00:07:49.960 I think that you can, it's almost like in some cases, you know, if you're trying to
00:07:55.020 talk to like a mob mentality, um, you know what I mean?
00:07:58.160 It's just, people are trying to antagonize people.
00:08:00.460 You're not going to come up with anything productive, but if you kind of have like a
00:08:03.000 one-on-one conversation and you say, well, let's, let's dive into this a little bit
00:08:06.380 deeper.
00:08:06.760 What, what is actually going on?
00:08:08.200 What is the thought process behind why you believe what you believe?
00:08:11.760 Is it something you've learned from your experience or something you were told?
00:08:15.660 And so you start to, and a lot of times people start to think about this stuff and they say,
00:08:20.360 that's a really good question.
00:08:21.820 I don't know why.
00:08:23.320 I bet you get that a lot.
00:08:25.040 Yes.
00:08:25.200 Like that's gotta be, you could do like a compilation of that's a really good question.
00:08:29.520 I actually did do that.
00:08:30.600 Oh, did you?
00:08:31.220 Yeah.
00:08:31.360 Early on.
00:08:31.980 But yes.
00:08:32.620 Yes.
00:08:33.780 So, um, like, did you go to law school or something?
00:08:37.100 No.
00:08:37.220 What was your background before?
00:08:38.760 Cause you sound almost like a lawyer when you do it.
00:08:41.860 I mean, much more like even keel obviously, but the way you ask questions.
00:08:46.220 People have, uh, multiple times said in my comment section that I should have been a lawyer.
00:08:51.760 Um, but I think what happens is you start to notice patterns.
00:08:55.220 And when I interview people, um, after a while you start to hear, you know, the same things
00:08:59.700 and you can almost predict what they're going to say.
00:09:01.260 If I ask them this question and we agree on this premise, then it's almost like a game
00:09:06.300 of chess.
00:09:07.220 Sometimes, you know, you can make the argument like I'm playing chess or playing checkers
00:09:10.420 because I'm a couple moves ahead of them because I know what most people are going to say.
00:09:14.240 They might, you know, I'll ask them one question.
00:09:16.400 It's either going to be this answer or this answer.
00:09:18.240 So then if we go to, you know, this answer, then, then, you know, and it goes, goes down
00:09:23.060 a chain of, uh, a logic chain of questions.
00:09:26.000 So you've recently had, um, a video on the trad cons that I really liked.
00:09:33.360 Um, I can't remember the title off the top of my head, but it was like the last month.
00:09:37.300 Okay.
00:09:38.120 Um, you know what I'm talking about?
00:09:39.720 It's not, I mean, I've, I've done a video literally with the title trad cons.
00:09:43.140 Oh, it might, that might've been the title.
00:09:44.300 But I, but I've done several episodes on the trad cons and one thing just real quick
00:09:48.060 that I just wanted to just, um, uh, uh, I think one criticism I have of the manosphere
00:09:54.540 just as a whole is that I think that most people tend to focus on feminism as the only
00:10:00.200 problem.
00:10:01.300 And that's one thing I really appreciate about your channel is the fact that you are willing
00:10:04.700 to call out and challenge trad cons.
00:10:06.980 Um, there have been, uh, recently in the space, uh, some other people who have called out,
00:10:11.860 you know, trad cons as covert feminists. 1.00
00:10:14.300 And so I think that there needs to be a lot more, um, uh, focus on that, but, but just
00:10:18.960 going back to what you were saying, uh, uh, as far as the episode, was there anything in
00:10:22.720 particular?
00:10:22.920 Oh, I just was curious on your thoughts on the daily wire.
00:10:26.080 Like they're, you know, they're the trad con idea that men need to get married and man 0.54
00:10:29.960 up and, you know, well, okay.
00:10:32.120 Um, definitely when I've seen you call out the trad cons, usually, uh, you'll call it
00:10:36.540 like, I love the, uh, the interview that you did with, with Michael Knowles.
00:10:39.800 Uh, we've talked about, you know, marriage and it not being, you know, a good deal
00:10:43.460 for men.
00:10:44.120 And, um, in my last episode about the dowry, I actually used a clip of that, um, where he
00:10:49.160 basically said, you know, that if you get a prenup, it invalidates the sacrament and
00:10:52.340 all that other stuff.
00:10:53.400 But, um, not only do we talk about, um, how the trad cons view marriage and, you know, they're
00:10:59.920 not really doing enough as we would all like to see them kind of, you know, reform the laws
00:11:05.600 and the family courts and remove the liabilities when it comes to, uh, marriage, but also just
00:11:10.420 how they view masculinity, how, you know, being a man is all about, uh, protect, provide,
00:11:17.520 sacrifice, serve, don't complain.
00:11:19.700 Um, and so the way that masculinity is being defined, I think is a big problem.
00:11:25.380 And, you know, one of the questions that I want to ask at some point, uh, coming up is
00:11:30.480 do you think men are smart enough to realize that masculinity is the first thing that anyone
00:11:35.060 will attack when they want to control men? 0.98
00:11:36.840 That's a real, I just did it.
00:11:39.400 That's a really good question.
00:11:40.420 It's complicated.
00:11:41.280 Yeah.
00:11:41.800 What do you think the answer is?
00:11:44.000 Do you think men, do you think men, cause when I'm, when I hear that question, my mind
00:11:48.780 goes two ways.
00:11:50.140 One way is I've seen men take some really, really bad deals in my lifetime, but I don't,
00:11:57.360 I think social media also has opened the floodgates where women used to be a lot more deceptive 1.00
00:12:03.200 and they can't be.
00:12:04.060 Um, like, you know, I see like on Tik TOK and stuff, women getting like ratioed when 1.00
00:12:10.100 they tell like a abuse story or, you know what I mean?
00:12:13.540 Like, and that just never used to happen like 10 years ago.
00:12:16.240 So, uh, or, um, men, you know, realizing that they're the bailout guy where I don't like
00:12:24.080 10 years ago, they just kind of fell for it.
00:12:26.240 Cause we didn't have all this media.
00:12:28.500 Um, that's my initial thought, but I don't have an answer.
00:12:31.500 So I'm curious what you think.
00:12:32.760 Well, like, okay, if I had to answer my own question, I would say that, um, you know,
00:12:37.860 so, so masculinity is almost like this, this pre-scripted idea that this identity that men
00:12:46.380 have to follow, um, where, um, I guess you, um, like, okay, you know, man up and get married
00:12:56.240 or, you know, okay, if you're, uh, if you don't do A, B and C, you're not a real man.
00:13:02.200 So masculinity is also the first thing that's promoted when they want to control men. 1.00
00:13:06.180 And I think that, um, you know, you see trad cons doing this.
00:13:10.220 You even see some red pillars doing this.
00:13:12.020 They will say things like, uh, you know, you know, oh, you're, you, you've got really
00:13:17.960 feminine energy right now, or you're a beta male or you're a simp or you're a weak man 1.00
00:13:21.980 or you're gay. 1.00
00:13:23.000 First thing. 0.99
00:13:23.820 And I think that the strongest men are the ones who don't fall, fall prey to that.
00:13:30.780 Um, even following up in that, in that logic train, I was going to say, um, do you think
00:13:35.960 it's true that, uh, our society is more willing to accept gay men than it will accept straight 0.99
00:13:41.880 men who don't meet masculinity standards? 0.51
00:13:44.560 Oh my gosh.
00:13:45.400 That's such, I, yeah, I think you're right.
00:13:48.640 Like they're more willing to accept gay men than, yeah.
00:13:51.760 So then why do we see gay men as more oppressed than straight men when straight men can't even 1.00
00:13:57.440 be themselves without following this masculine script?
00:14:00.700 Have you done a video with that one yet?
00:14:01.960 That's coming up.
00:14:02.620 Okay.
00:14:02.940 That was like, that is a great line of questioning.
00:14:05.640 Wow.
00:14:06.780 Um, no, cause you're totally right.
00:14:09.600 Like people will shame.
00:14:11.460 I mean, I even used the simp one.
00:14:13.260 I can't help it.
00:14:14.560 Yeah.
00:14:15.080 But I mean, I think that, uh, it's, it's, it's all about, you know, that's just, you
00:14:21.280 see it everywhere on social media.
00:14:23.360 Women do it. 1.00
00:14:25.060 Uh, trad cons do it. 1.00
00:14:26.940 Some red pillars do it.
00:14:28.320 It's like, it's like, this is what a real man is supposed to be.
00:14:31.680 And I'm saying, well, why?
00:14:34.780 Another line of questioning that I've used in, in a, in a past episode was when we talk
00:14:39.340 about what empowers men and what empowers women.
00:14:41.480 Why is female empowerment all about liberation and choice while men's empowerment is all 1.00
00:14:48.340 about masculinity, duty, and sacrifice, which is actually the opposite of liberation and
00:14:54.160 choice.
00:14:54.900 How can what empowers one gender be the opposite of what empowers the other? 0.99
00:14:58.680 So for women, it's more freedom. 1.00
00:15:00.860 And for men, it's more duty and responsibility.
00:15:03.180 And so what's going on here, you know?
00:15:05.920 So what is your goal with your content?
00:15:08.700 Do you have like, um, an end goal that you're hoping to achieve, or, uh, I'm just kind of
00:15:13.760 curious what, uh, like in five years you're hoping to get.
00:15:17.360 I think that we need to have more honest conversations about what masculinity truly means, what, what
00:15:24.720 it means to be a man, what the expectations are of women, what the expectations are of society.
00:15:29.160 Um, I think that what's happening right now is, um, you know, are we going to accept a
00:15:34.800 world of double standards or are we going to try to, you know, level the playing field
00:15:39.420 and actually have equality?
00:15:41.040 Now, what's happening is a lot of times people say, well, men and women can't be equal because
00:15:45.440 we're not the same, but I don't think that's necessarily true because nobody in our society
00:15:50.600 is truly the same, but we should have, you know, different races aren't the same, but we
00:15:55.660 should all have equal rights under the law.
00:15:57.440 We have equal justice.
00:15:59.960 So I think that, you know, just to say that men and women, you know, should there be double
00:16:05.940 standards just because we're not the same?
00:16:07.320 I mean, I understand that, you know, we have different strengths and we have different
00:16:10.620 weaknesses, but I think that, um, you know, to have these, these very strict roles is a
00:16:16.360 very, uh, is a very kind of a strange idea in a society where the laws aren't the same.
00:16:22.420 The technology is different.
00:16:24.420 We're just, we're, it's a completely different culture.
00:16:25.980 And, you know, uh, I think that another question I wanted to ask you, actually, I'll, I'll throw
00:16:32.220 it back at you.
00:16:33.220 Um, if you had to choose, what would you rather see?
00:16:36.600 Would you rather see women go back to the way they were before feminism or would you 1.00
00:16:41.760 rather see men liberated from their masculine role?
00:16:44.000 I, I would rather, um, I think the only solution to feminism is more feminism. 1.00
00:16:55.000 So I, so, so I only think like when women start getting the same sentences as men that they 0.98
00:17:02.240 might stop like hitting them, for example, right?
00:17:05.240 When they actually start being put in jail or, you know, women with the right to vote when 0.96
00:17:10.320 they start actually having consequences for what we vote for instead of being bailed out.
00:17:15.860 Um, that's more what I would like to see.
00:17:18.320 I'd like to see more fair laws where we're actually equal under the law.
00:17:21.780 Okay.
00:17:22.000 Well, for example, um, when we talk about, uh, false, uh, accusations, right?
00:17:26.320 I've heard a lot of people, um, you know, suggest the idea that there should be an equal
00:17:30.920 punishment for a false accusation as if, you know, you were convicted of that accusation.
00:17:36.160 But obviously, yeah, we need to have more accountability, um, or, you know, equal accountability,
00:17:41.580 I guess, for these things, because, you know, if, if, if women don't have skin in the game, 1.00
00:17:46.660 there's no incentive.
00:17:47.800 Correct.
00:17:47.960 Yeah.
00:17:48.340 So I think that, um, it, it comes down to the fact that, uh, I think, you know, I don't
00:17:53.980 know if it's necessarily, you know, it's going to be a common sense.
00:17:56.320 It's going to be a combination of asking more of women and maybe slightly less of men.
00:17:59.680 And also women are having like, I'm one of 10 kids. 1.00
00:18:03.260 We're having like one and a half.
00:18:05.940 I don't know if that's enough to be a housewife. 0.95
00:18:09.340 Like one kid, you could go like be a teacher or something.
00:18:13.080 Well, I mean, is it, is it, I read a comment this morning where someone said, is it, is it
00:18:16.940 surprising for women to expect women to want to have children when women are now expected 1.00
00:18:21.680 to be in the workforce and providing for even for themselves?
00:18:24.380 Well, yeah, but the average is 1.5.
00:18:29.580 Yeah.
00:18:30.020 So to me, I don't, I mean, men still want to have kids even though they have to work.
00:18:34.720 Right.
00:18:35.040 It's true.
00:18:35.480 Yeah.
00:18:35.760 So I don't, I just don't think women want to be mothers as much as we originally thought. 1.00
00:18:41.340 Cause if we wanted to, we would have.
00:18:43.200 So, so how do you respond then when people say that, you know, women naturally want to 0.99
00:18:46.980 be that way?
00:18:47.600 Like in other words, if it was natural, why did it change?
00:18:49.680 I don't think it was.
00:18:51.300 And the reason, you know, what made me come to this conclusion?
00:18:54.100 So it was, um, I couldn't believe how mad women got over abortion when I like, it was 0.97
00:19:00.360 like, that was the most visceral when I would debate women where they would just get so angry. 1.00
00:19:04.600 I'm like, why are you so angry over just a difference in opinion?
00:19:08.100 Um, and I used to fight really hard cause, um, my parents like adopted kids.
00:19:14.040 And so pro-life was just something I kind of grew up with.
00:19:17.260 Um, but then I just realized that the infant mortality rate is very similar to the abortion
00:19:23.360 rate today.
00:19:24.200 Wow.
00:19:24.960 So that leads, I don't have proof or evidence of this, but just anecdotally arguing with
00:19:31.680 women and seeing how much they just fight to what I would view as abort their children, 1.00
00:19:36.460 kill their children, I think it's always been like this.
00:19:39.900 I think it's like now that social media is here, we have, like, we can see what women 0.99
00:19:45.740 actually are.
00:19:47.140 It's well, it's also-
00:19:47.960 Do you disagree or agree?
00:19:48.960 Well, I think that, uh, yeah, I mean, I can see that, but I also think that, um, as far
00:19:55.980 as women wanting to be able to, um, it just comes down to the fact that women want to be 0.98
00:20:00.420 able to have the choice to do that.
00:20:01.900 I mean, obviously I think that, uh, uh, like I used to always kind of wonder about this.
00:20:06.940 It's like, okay, well, the women who are having abortions, do we really want those women 1.00
00:20:10.600 reproducing anyway and stuff?
00:20:11.840 Cause they're probably just going to raise more, you know, male feminist children and 1.00
00:20:15.420 stuff, I guess.
00:20:16.080 So.
00:20:17.140 I mean, I just, I just think it's useless to fight over it.
00:20:21.520 Like they'll just, they'll die.
00:20:23.300 Like, I think the pro-life movement, like, yeah, they got Roe versus Wade, but if you think
00:20:27.960 a plan B is an abortion, which they do, I mean, those are like through the roof. 1.00
00:20:32.380 Yeah.
00:20:32.900 So I just don't see it going anywhere in my lifetime, but it would be interesting to like,
00:20:39.380 I think men, like we've talked about this, but our men should be able to opt out of child 1.00
00:20:43.440 support if women can opt out of motherhood.
00:20:45.460 Of course.
00:20:45.940 Like, and that's what I mean.
00:20:46.880 The financial abortion.
00:20:47.640 Yeah.
00:20:47.840 Yeah.
00:20:48.120 Yeah.
00:20:48.440 And that's what I mean.
00:20:49.820 I think the solution to feminism is more feminism. 1.00
00:20:52.280 Like we asked to be free.
00:20:53.940 Here you go.
00:20:55.300 Well, the, one of the things that I was looking into was the idea of back in the seventies.
00:21:01.900 And I mean, I'm sure you've heard of Warren Farrell, for example, right?
00:21:04.820 He was kind of like the father.
00:21:06.600 Oh yeah.
00:21:06.860 I met him.
00:21:07.480 Yeah.
00:21:07.700 The father of, of this men's liberation movement where basically, you know, in the seventies,
00:21:14.160 they were trying to, you know, liberate women, but then they were also trying to liberate 0.97
00:21:17.520 men.
00:21:17.820 And there's actually a famous black and white photo on the internet, um, of a protest where
00:21:22.460 it said, you know, let's share custody.
00:21:24.140 And they wanted mandatory 50, 50 physical custody.
00:21:26.620 And they also wanted, uh, men to be viewed as more than just success objects.
00:21:32.440 Meanwhile, today we're promoting the very opposite of that.
00:21:35.900 We're saying that, uh, men should be success objects.
00:21:39.760 And so I think that, um, maybe revisiting that idea of maybe gender roles can be more fluid,
00:21:47.820 or more of a choice as opposed, as opposed to more of an expectation.
00:21:51.600 Um, so what would that look like to you?
00:21:55.140 So like, you know, relationship beginning to end, how would it go?
00:21:59.540 Well, I mean, I think that, uh, um, you know, there are plenty of things that women are capable 1.00
00:22:07.100 of that they're not doing just because they believe that that's a man's job.
00:22:10.360 Okay.
00:22:10.800 You know, like anything women don't want to do is automatically labeled masculinity, 1.00
00:22:13.820 right?
00:22:14.400 Such a good point.
00:22:15.220 I mean, women, women are, are perfectly capable of approaching men for business, but they 1.00
00:22:19.980 won't approach men for relationships.
00:22:22.540 No, that's so true.
00:22:23.880 And it's crazy because if women approach men, they're far more likely to have success than
00:22:28.020 if men approach women.
00:22:28.920 Plus women don't like being approached by the men that they're, that they don't like. 1.00
00:22:32.400 So we kind of, um.
00:22:34.260 So you'd like to see women approach men.
00:22:36.020 Oh, absolutely.
00:22:36.840 I think that, that would, that would definitely, um, but you know, a lot of people will say,
00:22:40.040 oh, but that, you know, the man is supposed to lead.
00:22:42.060 And it's like, well, you know, the women control the dating market, but the men are somehow 0.99
00:22:46.140 the leaders.
00:22:46.620 And it's kind of a weird, you know,
00:22:48.160 They kind of did that in Bumble.
00:22:49.520 Like now that everything's digital, do you think that works?
00:22:52.040 Of course not.
00:22:52.620 Because what does, when a woman messaged you on Bumble, what's, what's her message? 1.00
00:22:56.740 Hey, that's all they say.
00:22:58.160 They say, hey, and nothing else.
00:22:59.260 And then they still expect the man to kind of take over.
00:23:01.600 In fact, I even asked a question about this similar.
00:23:03.360 I said, okay, if men are expected.
00:23:06.260 To protect women because they're physically stronger. 0.98
00:23:08.880 Why can't women pay all the bills? 1.00
00:23:11.120 Why are both duties assigned to the man?
00:23:13.540 So there are plenty of, you know, I mean, because we still have this, this idea, you
00:23:16.920 know, his money is, is our money and you know, her money is her money. 0.99
00:23:20.580 And I'm saying, okay, well then what are women working for? 1.00
00:23:22.500 You know what I mean?
00:23:23.400 So there's plenty of things that women are capable of and it's like, okay, well then step, 1.00
00:23:27.740 step up and prove it.
00:23:28.520 But we're always expecting the men to step up to delusional standards.
00:23:33.320 Men have more. 0.80
00:23:34.200 We're, we're asking more of men than has ever been asked in history.
00:23:38.460 And the other thing too, is women's money is way easier to get. 1.00
00:23:42.040 It is far easier to make money as a woman because like at 22, you could go be like a 1.00
00:23:46.980 pharmacy, like there are girls from my school that went and made six figures right out of 1.00
00:23:51.240 college as a pharmaceutical sales rep.
00:23:53.200 How long would that take a guy to do?
00:23:55.560 Well, women are getting, you know, they have female only scholarships. 1.00
00:23:58.280 Uh, women are getting, uh, obviously there was all the DEI stuff. 1.00
00:24:02.480 I don't know how that's changing now, uh, with the new, uh, administration.
00:24:05.360 Uh, you also have the, you know, I mean, women can, they always have a bailout. 1.00
00:24:10.520 They could do only fans if they want to.
00:24:12.660 Um, they, uh, I mean, women, you know, uh, female bartenders, female, uh, hostesses, uh, 1.00
00:24:17.600 um, you know, cocktail waitresses in Vegas.
00:24:19.720 I mean, they make a lot of money just because they can use their looks to open a lot of doors.
00:24:25.260 Is that a thing here?
00:24:26.960 I've heard that they, there's like in Vegas, really hot, like broke guys that they're,
00:24:33.200 that they just live off of these bottle girls. 1.00
00:24:35.500 Is that a thing?
00:24:36.720 Uh, I, I don't know.
00:24:39.000 It's, it's, it's possible.
00:24:40.600 I mean, I'm sure that.
00:24:41.720 But you do interviews all the time.
00:24:43.000 You never run into anything like that.
00:24:44.680 Uh, not so much, but that would be a good question.
00:24:46.940 Like maybe just kind of find out like, yeah, do you got some, uh, you know, some Chad living
00:24:51.100 with you who, uh, I mean, I mean, look, I've heard some women. 1.00
00:24:55.260 Saying, you know, oh, you know, I've, I've taken care of men before, but I mean, are women
00:24:59.900 going to take those men seriously for a relationship or are they just looking for an F boy? 0.69
00:25:03.880 You know what I mean?
00:25:04.240 So, yeah, there was a guy I knew in London and that was his play is he went and got really
00:25:10.580 jacked and he would just hit on like 32 year old lawyers and live for free in London.
00:25:18.920 Well, that's the thing also.
00:25:19.880 It's, it's kind of like, you know, yeah, he, he kind of reversed the system where he's
00:25:24.120 like, I'm just going to go to the gym.
00:25:25.440 It's easier than getting a job.
00:25:27.900 Yeah.
00:25:28.220 Well, well, well, well, it's funny too, because, uh, it was kind of like, I remember when I
00:25:32.220 was at the, uh, the, uh, the AVN awards and I was interviewing the sex workers.
00:25:36.920 Um, I asked a question about, uh, if a, uh, unwanted pregnancy happened during the shooting
00:25:42.600 of a professional scene, because obviously sex work is filmed without condoms.
00:25:46.140 Um, then, you know, is there anything that a man can do to avoid being held responsible
00:25:51.620 for child support?
00:25:52.800 And, um, this, uh, woman said to me, well, you know, if, if I get pregnant, then I'm 1.00
00:25:57.640 definitely going after that man for child support. 1.00
00:25:59.220 And I said, well, actually, since sex worker, female sex workers are getting paid more than 1.00
00:26:04.100 male sex workers.
00:26:05.160 Wouldn't you be the one responsible to pay child support? 1.00
00:26:08.500 What'd she say?
00:26:09.640 Um, actually, well, it's unfortunate because I didn't think of that at the time.
00:26:13.120 I thought of that after the fact, so that's the thing sometimes, um, you know, follow
00:26:18.080 up questions will come a little bit late.
00:26:19.780 Like, you know, I said, oh, I should have said this or should have said that.
00:26:22.140 But, um, but I did kind of, uh, I don't know.
00:26:25.260 It's just, I think that, uh, even when I'm doing like street interviews, sometimes it's
00:26:29.360 like so noisy.
00:26:30.160 I mean, just like, this is one of the noisiest cities.
00:26:32.040 I mean, I'm out on the strip, you know, on, you know, a Friday or Saturday night and you've
00:26:35.820 got motorcycles and helicopters.
00:26:37.160 And sometimes people are like right in front of your face and I can't hear what they're saying.
00:26:40.760 And so there's times where I want to follow up or sometimes I think of, you know, a good
00:26:44.700 follow up that I couldn't say later.
00:26:46.380 And so, you know, it's just, uh, you know, I'm an evolving creator just like you are and
00:26:52.140 stuff.
00:26:52.280 I'm learning new things, you know, as I grow, if you look at my earliest stuff, I'm
00:26:56.000 thinking, oh, I could have said this.
00:26:57.540 And, you know, so we're all learning.
00:26:59.700 So, okay.
00:27:00.640 So you'd like to see women approach men, like what other masculine duties would you say?
00:27:05.160 Would you like men to be like the idea that the idea that men are expected to be the
00:27:09.240 sole providers or that, you know, or just this, this notion that, you know, I mean, you
00:27:14.320 know, that men have to have all this money. 1.00
00:27:16.980 I mean, who's advocating for the average man?
00:27:20.420 Do we want to live in a society where only the top 10, 20% of men get all the women and 0.76
00:27:26.460 then the bottom 80% of men are all just celibate?
00:27:29.460 And then what's going to be the incentive for them to want to do anything?
00:27:34.480 And then we're sitting here and we're saying, you know, oh, well, men are weak because they 0.92
00:27:37.600 want to stay home and play video games.
00:27:39.020 And it's like, well, what should they do?
00:27:40.920 Go out and be in the social scene and get, you know, abused and get ripped off.
00:27:46.360 So I think that what's happening is I almost believe that the male loneliness epidemic might
00:27:51.380 be by design because I think that, you know, the whole idea that sex sells.
00:27:56.440 And I think kind of like everyone's exploiting men now.
00:28:01.660 Everyone's exploiting that problem.
00:28:02.740 I think that, um, I think that there are feminists exploiting those lonely men to try to sell 1.00
00:28:09.220 them OnlyFans and there are TradCons exploiting those lonely men to try to sell them marriage, 0.92
00:28:13.480 which is an unfair deal.
00:28:15.220 And there are dating coaches trying to exploit those lonely men to sell them courses and
00:28:19.880 self-improvement.
00:28:21.100 So I guess how would that, I'm just trying to think of a world.
00:28:26.860 Like, do you think that's even possible where, um, men, like women are really going to approach
00:28:34.120 men?
00:28:35.340 Like, you know, I'm not, I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice.
00:28:38.100 I'm just wondering if you think, or that like, um, yeah, go ahead.
00:28:43.600 I think what happens is, is, uh, necessity is the mother of invention.
00:28:47.640 People do what they have to do.
00:28:49.480 Obviously, I think that, that the, you know, the reason a lot of men simp is because they
00:28:55.300 kind of have to, because men, you know, you ever hear the expression, all men pay?
00:29:00.340 Yeah.
00:29:00.460 It's like, it's like, even if you're not paying with your money, you pay with your money, energy,
00:29:05.280 attention, and time.
00:29:06.240 You, men have to earn it. 1.00
00:29:07.580 So it's kind of like men just have to play the game and women are the ones who make the 1.00
00:29:13.260 rules.
00:29:13.800 And so what ends up happening is, um, I think that it just comes down to a question of who
00:29:19.180 has the leverage right now.
00:29:21.500 Women control access to sex. 1.00
00:29:23.240 Sex is the ultimate power. 1.00
00:29:25.300 And women know this and women abuse this. 1.00
00:29:28.180 And so men are basically stuck, you know, I mean, men have a higher biological need for 0.98
00:29:33.140 sex than women. 1.00
00:29:33.860 I think men actually like sex is a need for, for most men.
00:29:37.480 And so, um, I think that in order to kind of like level the playing field, I mean, I'm
00:29:42.820 not necessarily saying like, you know, women have to approach men, but in other words,
00:29:46.200 I believe that women are coming from an abundance mindset. 1.00
00:29:48.480 Men are coming from a scarcity mindset.
00:29:50.440 Of course, unless you're like that top, you know, 10% man who has women approaching you.
00:29:54.900 And the whole idea of women approaching is kind of not that far fetched because a lot 1.00
00:29:59.420 of these dating coaches want to sculpt men to become that super high value men that women
00:30:04.160 chase.
00:30:04.860 So women will chase the minority of men, but men are chasing the majority of women. 0.90
00:30:10.280 So I think what has to happen is there has to be some kind of shift in, in leverage.
00:30:15.800 And I think a big thing that would help that is men being given more access to more sexual
00:30:23.080 access.
00:30:23.680 In other words, I think what's happening right now is everyone's telling men, step up and
00:30:27.260 pay a higher price to the point where they're overpaying.
00:30:29.740 I think what we need to focus on is I think we need to figure out ways to lower the price.
00:30:36.840 I've done several episodes on, I think that, that legalization of prostitution.
00:30:41.760 I know it's a very controversial topic.
00:30:44.460 Not a lot of people talk about it, but I think if prostitution was safe and regulated prostitution, 0.93
00:30:49.880 I'm not talking about streetwalkers.
00:30:51.060 I'm talking about if we had brothels and men could go get sex anytime they wanted. 1.00
00:30:54.620 I think that women would have to be forced to bring more to the table because sex wouldn't 1.00
00:31:00.100 be enough.
00:31:00.860 Do you see that in Vegas?
00:31:02.220 Because isn't it semi-legal here?
00:31:07.580 Not necessarily.
00:31:08.780 It's legal in Pahrump, I believe, or in Nye County.
00:31:12.620 It's like a, I think it's like a two-hour drive away, but it's not, it's not convenient.
00:31:17.160 It's not affordable.
00:31:18.440 Most people can't afford, you know, a three to $500, you know what I mean?
00:31:21.680 But what we have right now is almost worse than prostitution because I think men are 1.00
00:31:26.380 paying for the opportunity to maybe get it, but they're not actually getting it.
00:31:30.920 And so I think, you know, I mean, I've even asked the question, you know, if Meghan could
00:31:36.340 get sex anytime they want, almost like go to a massage parlor or almost like we have dispensaries 0.64
00:31:40.680 for, you know, I think that if that was available to men, I think they wouldn't feel the need
00:31:48.540 to, uh, to overpay, they would be more selective because they would, you know, and I think there
00:31:53.860 would be no reason to be with a woman other than love.
00:31:55.680 And I, I could actually see that potentially happening.
00:31:58.820 Could you?
00:32:00.060 Well, I mean, why not in Vegas?
00:32:02.620 I mean, yeah, it makes the most sense here to start with, but, um, I don't know.
00:32:06.980 I mean, it's, it's, it might be an unfortunate reality that we're headed towards, but I know
00:32:12.420 that trad cons definitely wouldn't like that because it promotes degeneracy according to
00:32:17.300 their, you know.
00:32:17.660 Yeah.
00:32:17.680 But if they cared about degeneracy, they would promote young marriage and they don't.
00:32:22.200 Well.
00:32:22.760 Yeah. 0.56
00:32:22.940 Like if they, if, cause like sex is a need and people are going to have sex with somebody.
00:32:28.780 So if you're not promoting people to get married at, like, when does the sex drive start?
00:32:33.420 Like, I don't even want to say it cause we're not like, it's kind of uncomfortable and we're
00:32:37.200 on YouTube, but it's like, it's pretty young.
00:32:39.640 So like, if we're having sex, like urges from the time you're 14, 15, 16 years old, like,
00:32:47.180 you know, even at 22, most people aren't going to be virgins if they have the choice.
00:32:52.200 Yeah.
00:32:52.420 So I'm like, unless you're promoting a young merit, like young marriage, what are people
00:32:58.640 going to do about their sex drives?
00:33:00.280 I was just on a Christian show like five days ago and I was, it just premiered today actually. 0.98
00:33:06.020 And I was arguing with the guys and saying that sex was a need for men and that if Christians 1.00
00:33:10.800 like cared about degeneracy, they would push young marriage, like 18. 0.95
00:33:14.820 Someone told me also that, uh, I think, um, you know, could that possibly even keep marriages
00:33:20.780 together?
00:33:21.260 I mean, it's, it's, someone said something about like, uh, I think it was in Japan where,
00:33:26.500 where married men will go off and go see, you know, concubines, whatever it is, you 1.00
00:33:31.700 know, kind of on the side and the wives just don't want to hear about it. 1.00
00:33:34.620 Um, but I'm not sure.
00:33:35.940 I mean, it's, you know, should men be stuck in a dead bedroom marriage?
00:33:40.640 You know what I mean?
00:33:41.060 Cause I mean, obviously when we talk about marriages, a lot of times men are hostages
00:33:44.160 within their own marriage and, you know, women are paid to leave and men, you know, it's
00:33:48.380 cheaper to keep her.
00:33:49.060 Oh, I'm not saying that like guys, especially in this climate should get married at 18, but
00:33:53.600 I'm saying if the conservatives cared about degeneracy, they'd push it.
00:33:57.160 Right.
00:33:57.340 Cause then that problem solved.
00:33:59.080 Yeah.
00:33:59.200 And I, I, I kind of, uh, had this question about that.
00:34:02.360 I said, why is it that anything feminists don't like, they label misogyny and anything that, 1.00
00:34:07.900 uh, trad cons don't like, they label degeneracy.
00:34:12.100 Oh, wow.
00:34:12.900 That's a good question.
00:34:14.580 That's a good question.
00:34:16.060 So it's just two competing ideologies.
00:34:18.360 So how would you like to see the dating process go?
00:34:21.060 Like in your, I mean, this is just a dream world, right?
00:34:24.640 Or, um, well, uh, I would say that, um, you know, ideally, you know, if you could go and,
00:34:34.660 you know, just approach the woman that you want and she's, you know, receptive and she's,
00:34:38.820 you know, like, like, you know, not like, Oh, why are you talking to me?
00:34:42.220 Sorry, I met like in like the women approach the men and then sorry. 0.99
00:34:46.460 And this, um, continuing that thought process.
00:34:49.040 Oh, well, uh, just, uh, women approach men. 0.97
00:34:51.460 And just, uh, I think that, um, it, uh, like women pay for dates. 1.00
00:34:57.820 Why not?
00:34:58.660 Yeah.
00:34:59.000 Okay.
00:34:59.380 Why not?
00:34:59.920 Yeah.
00:35:00.300 I've said that before.
00:35:01.380 Yeah.
00:35:01.640 I don't see any reason why not.
00:35:02.900 What, what, what is the point of women having money? 1.00
00:35:05.620 Um, but I think in my experience, relationships usually work.
00:35:12.220 Work the best when the woman likes the man more than he likes her, because then she's 1.00
00:35:16.180 willing to lower some of her standards and, and actually have some skin in the game and
00:35:20.880 invest and be willing to take some risks.
00:35:22.900 But right now I think that women just have, you know, I mean, if we're talking about, you 1.00
00:35:26.680 know, average men, women have all the choice, all the options, all the leverage.
00:35:31.220 So it's almost like you need to give men more options.
00:35:35.020 And then women have to, because right now it's men competing for the women. 0.74
00:35:39.000 Every, all the dating advice online is all about what men need to do to get women.
00:35:43.180 Women are the prize. 1.00
00:35:44.240 And, and then when you look at like same sex relationships, it's like, you know, do women
00:35:49.880 need to have confidence in game to approach other women?
00:35:52.720 It's, it's so much more balanced, but you know, it's like, uh, or I think I, when you
00:35:57.680 start to look at same sex couples and how that dynamic works, it's like when women date 1.00
00:36:01.540 women, who's responsible for paying all the bills? 1.00
00:36:03.620 But as soon as a man is involved, now he's got to do all the work.
00:36:06.700 Why?
00:36:07.180 Because he's got to follow the masculine script.
00:36:09.960 That's anything women don't want to do is labeled masculinity. 1.00
00:36:13.300 So it's a way for women. 1.00
00:36:15.980 Femininity, femininity is almost an excuse for women to avoid accountability. 1.00
00:36:20.880 Okay.
00:36:21.400 Can you give me an example?
00:36:24.200 Um, when you have, uh, women say, I want a strong masculine man to put me in my feminine. 0.95
00:36:30.160 And it basically just, uh, does a, does a man need a soft feminine woman to put a, put 1.00
00:36:36.300 her and put him in as masculine?
00:36:38.000 You know what I mean?
00:36:38.340 It's like for, for women, femininity is conditional for men, masculine, like it's a woman's prerogative 1.00
00:36:44.360 to change her mind, but it's a man's duty to be consistent.
00:36:47.280 So it's just all about, you know, men are held to a standard.
00:36:51.780 We all talk about the female entitlement problem. 0.99
00:36:54.840 Women are entitled.
00:36:55.500 Well, how do you address women's sense of entitlement without first addressing men's 0.79
00:37:01.160 sense of obligation?
00:37:02.540 People will say that, you know, well, it's all natural and, you know, masculinity is a
00:37:06.200 natural process.
00:37:07.400 Well, then why are men shamed to be sculpted that way?
00:37:11.500 Do we have to shame birds on how to fly? 0.92
00:37:14.500 They, you know, there's, there might be a degree of that that's natural, but I think
00:37:18.860 that the way that, I think that masculinity is almost being hijacked and it's kind of being
00:37:23.000 defined as, you know, you've got to check all these boxes.
00:37:28.020 And I think that, you know, it wasn't always this way throughout history.
00:37:32.140 And so, you know, we have to kind of compare how we got, how we got to, you know, where
00:37:39.100 we are currently in the, in the dating market.
00:37:41.780 So what do you think is different today than like, sorry, what part do you mean it wasn't
00:37:47.380 this way for all of history?
00:37:49.020 Because wouldn't you say for most of history, men like were the head of their household,
00:37:53.680 like they did provide to some extent?
00:37:56.660 I know there was the dowry that women brought, but it came from her dad, not her. 0.99
00:38:00.460 Right.
00:38:01.140 Well, like, okay, let's, let's go back to like maybe the 1970s.
00:38:04.700 I wasn't necessarily alive then, but I'm saying if you talk about, you know, back then it was,
00:38:09.360 you know, make love, not war.
00:38:10.980 Um, I think that we were kind of like a little bit more, um, uh, headed towards equality,
00:38:16.820 uh, uh, back then.
00:38:19.280 I think that, uh, okay, look at it this way.
00:38:21.440 You had during the Vietnam war, you had women actually marching for, you know, men being sent
00:38:27.340 off to die in war.
00:38:28.320 Oh, I see.
00:38:29.340 And now today it's like, you're not a real man if you don't fight in war.
00:38:33.460 Okay.
00:38:33.820 Not, not only, not only that, but I mean, look at the, the male, um, deletion rate, right.
00:38:39.320 And it's like, okay, so, um, why aren't women marching for those, for those lives today? 0.67
00:38:45.940 Yeah.
00:38:46.380 You could, you didn't they do like a million man march a while ago?
00:38:50.500 You're talking about like in the nineties.
00:38:51.800 Yeah.
00:38:52.160 I know.
00:38:52.780 I know.
00:38:53.040 That's it.
00:38:53.380 I was thinking like it was in the night, like no time recently.
00:38:55.960 Yeah.
00:38:56.200 I don't think that, I think that was more, uh, uh, due to, um, uh, police brutality and,
00:39:01.300 you know, and racism and stuff like that.
00:39:02.620 I think it had more to do with that than it had to do with just kind of like, you know, as far
00:39:07.880 as I remember, I think it had something to do with like the Rodney King.
00:39:11.200 Oh, I, I totally thought it was for men.
00:39:13.820 I don't know.
00:39:14.160 I wasn't a lot, or if I was, I was like five.
00:39:16.440 So we're trying to, like I said, we're trying to, um, do forensic investigations on, you know,
00:39:21.180 what happened in the past and you know, how it correlates in a modern context.
00:39:26.020 Yeah.
00:39:26.380 And that's the tough thing.
00:39:27.240 Women are so good at rewriting history too. 1.00
00:39:29.440 So you have to like sift through so many historical documents to even find like the, like, um, I just
00:39:35.120 had, this is Sean, the channel and he was, um, talking about the dowry in depth and I couldn't
00:39:40.360 believe like, why don't conservatives talk about that?
00:39:43.540 Yeah.
00:39:43.940 I mean, exactly.
00:39:45.180 And, uh, so just, just more people should ask like, what is a dowry?
00:39:49.740 And, uh, I just did an episode on this, um, inspired kind of like by what he was talking
00:39:56.080 about.
00:39:56.380 He actually did a, a fantastic conversation with Paul Elam about this, bringing this up.
00:40:01.500 And so it's like, okay, when you think about it, you know, some of the most masculine men
00:40:06.500 throughout history, like, you know, Julius Caesar and, uh, King Henry the eighth, they
00:40:11.200 took dowries.
00:40:12.260 And yet today we're being told that you're not a real man unless you pay 100% of the bills
00:40:17.600 to put the woman in her feminine. 0.83
00:40:19.480 So when you talk about rewriting history, this idea that, you know, men just have to, this
00:40:26.620 is the way it's supposed to be.
00:40:27.760 And it couldn't possibly be any other way, even though when you look back in history,
00:40:31.120 it wasn't always that way.
00:40:33.200 So why are we conveniently ignoring those, those arguments?
00:40:37.580 So I want to see more kind of people being challenged on what they're saying and not just
00:40:43.080 the feminists, but I want to see, you know, a lot of these influencers and masculinity 1.00
00:40:47.100 coaches and pickup artists and stuff like that.
00:40:49.520 I want to see them all get challenged because at the end of the day, we're all just searching
00:40:53.500 for truth, but I don't like, like when I ask questions, I'm not necessarily trying to tell
00:40:58.220 people what to think.
00:40:59.440 I just want them to think for themselves and I'm trying to extract the truth.
00:41:02.940 And sometimes I have a perception of what I think the truth is, but by no means am I
00:41:08.560 saying I have all the answers.
00:41:09.640 I'm just, you know, go ahead and change my mind.
00:41:11.920 Let's, let's try to figure this out.
00:41:13.140 But, you know, these are real issues and these are real problems and we want to have real solutions
00:41:17.320 and not just sit here and, you know, try to sell people a fantasy that is unattainable.
00:41:22.860 So how would you, how do you think childcare should go?
00:41:27.060 So like you get past the, you go 50, 50 on the relationship.
00:41:31.380 Now you're both working.
00:41:32.880 The kid's under three, need someone to watch them who does it.
00:41:37.280 Well, I mean, I know there's the, with the tender years doctrine and, you know, people
00:41:40.760 typically go to the idea that women are better. 1.00
00:41:44.020 I don't think that.
00:41:44.940 So, well, I mean, obviously if women are having abortions and stuff, I mean, you know, do 0.99
00:41:49.700 they really, um, I'm just curious, cause you were saying you'd like to see, um, you'd like
00:41:54.940 to see some of the masculine duties be challenged.
00:41:58.000 And so I was just curious how you would see the like young years of a kid going.
00:42:02.960 I think, uh, well, I think that, that men can be good fathers if, uh, you know, it really
00:42:11.880 just comes down to who has the opportunity to be, um, to, to, who has the opportunity
00:42:18.860 to be present, who wants to be present and who wants to, you know, have, uh, um, a strong
00:42:23.800 connection with their children.
00:42:25.460 I, I haven't really thought that much about it, to be honest.
00:42:27.920 Okay.
00:42:28.180 I think that, that it's something that, uh, like someone said to me, okay, who would you
00:42:32.120 trust, uh, running a daycare center, a bunch of women or a bunch of men.
00:42:35.820 Right.
00:42:36.160 And automatically most people assume that, you know, I would leave my child with a bunch
00:42:40.820 of women instead of a bunch of men, you know?
00:42:43.520 Yeah.
00:42:43.940 I'd trust the men more.
00:42:45.420 Really?
00:42:45.760 Okay.
00:42:46.360 Well, just cause I've looked at like child abuse stats, like women are more violent towards 1.00
00:42:50.520 kids.
00:42:51.160 Okay.
00:42:51.500 Well, like I said, that, uh, that's something that obviously, you know, should be looked
00:42:55.380 at more.
00:42:55.840 So.
00:42:56.020 Yeah.
00:42:56.300 Okay.
00:42:56.820 I was just curious.
00:42:57.880 Cause it's like under five who like, I mean, once they're in preschool and up, it's like a different
00:43:04.060 story where both parents can work, but I think one parent has to, you know, I'm not saying
00:43:09.080 it should be the man or the woman, but I was just kind of curious.
00:43:11.840 I've had a lot of women say things like, you know, now that women are expected to be bread 1.00
00:43:16.400 winners along with the men, um, you know, women almost feel like, oh, well, you know,
00:43:21.640 we have to, you know, uh, um, uh, be the homemaker, the caretaker and, uh, and also make
00:43:28.800 money and the men are just, you know, the breadwinners.
00:43:31.560 So the men need to step up more and help us more around the house.
00:43:34.920 I think kind of where we're headed is kind of, everyone's kind of going to be expected
00:43:37.800 to do everything.
00:43:39.260 Um, but it just depends on what's more convenient.
00:43:41.840 Obviously, if a woman is pregnant, then it makes sense for the man to definitely step up 1.00
00:43:46.900 and, you know, help her.
00:43:48.520 But at some point,
00:43:49.480 I ran a marathon six months pregnant.
00:43:51.820 I think they over-exaggerated.
00:43:53.100 Well, I mean, to, to a degree, but I'm saying that obviously, um, you know, uh, someone wrote
00:43:58.260 a really excellent comment that I, you know, I mean, I learned more things from my comments
00:44:01.720 as well, but as someone wrote that, um, a, uh, an employer is going to basically expect
00:44:08.060 a woman to get back to work after 12 weeks. 0.98
00:44:10.820 So at some point, you know, why can't a husband do that?
00:44:14.660 Cause women, what's the, uh, the question I had is like, why are women more willing to 1.00
00:44:18.980 submit to their employer than they're going to submit to their husband and children? 1.00
00:44:22.260 So, um, so what do you think, um, you mentioned that you'd like to see some things change in
00:44:30.660 the space.
00:44:31.620 Um, what are they?
00:44:33.580 There's too much blame on men.
00:44:36.360 And I think there's too much focus on masculinity and not enough focus on the misandry.
00:44:41.540 And whenever we do talk about misandry, we only talk about the misandry that comes from
00:44:46.620 women. 0.81
00:44:47.060 We don't talk about the misandry that comes from other men.
00:44:49.320 We look at shaming women as hate, but when we shame men, it's motivation.
00:44:56.120 And I think, why aren't they both hate?
00:44:58.680 Why, why, why have we come to assess the average man as unacceptable and he has to change and
00:45:04.480 improve?
00:45:05.180 What's, what's wrong?
00:45:06.280 I mean, you know, I, I get it.
00:45:07.720 Like, I'm not against the idea of self-improvement.
00:45:09.600 I'm not telling men like be a loser and don't ever, you know, achieve anything.
00:45:13.660 But, you know, sometimes-
00:45:16.920 Like men have a right to enjoy life.
00:45:18.680 Yeah.
00:45:19.300 Yeah.
00:45:19.900 Yeah.
00:45:20.220 And, and sometimes, I mean, I see rants online from guys who are good looking guys and shouldn't
00:45:24.960 even have a problem and they're exhausted.
00:45:26.520 They, they run into burnout because they feel like, you know, it's, it's never going to be
00:45:30.600 enough.
00:45:31.340 And so, um, and, and the other thing is it's like, there's this idea that just because,
00:45:35.980 you know, men are appreciated somehow that validates a lot of the sacrifices that men are
00:45:40.820 expected to make.
00:45:42.120 And I think that, you know, we can't just, um, like, like why would women appreciate 0.94
00:45:48.040 the sacrifices that men make if they're just going to continue making those sacrifices?
00:45:51.580 So I think that either women have to have a duty or neither one of them have to have 1.00
00:45:55.800 a duty or something like that.
00:45:56.820 But it's the double standards in our society that persist that, you know, have to change.
00:46:02.100 Um, and what's interesting is it's like, well, why, why does the manosphere complain about
00:46:06.620 double standards, but then just say, well, men and women are different.
00:46:09.600 Well then, so are you saying double standards are okay?
00:46:12.360 So there's, there's a lot of contradictions I see in the manosphere that I'd like to challenge
00:46:15.840 them on.
00:46:16.500 But then if I call out the manosphere for some inconsistencies, then they're going to label
00:46:21.160 me a feminist and say, I'm clearly not a feminist. 1.00
00:46:24.300 Have you done a back and forth with Myron ever?
00:46:27.420 Have you ever like done a debate?
00:46:29.180 Not really.
00:46:29.580 I would love to, I think he would, I think he'd maybe do it.
00:46:32.480 It would, I would love to watch it just as a viewer.
00:46:34.960 Cause I know he does a lot with his call-in shows or he tells them to like, like I watched
00:46:40.160 this one and I like, this is not me throwing shot at him.
00:46:44.400 I like Myron.
00:46:45.120 He's a good guy, but I saw him like do a call-in show where, um, what was it?
00:46:52.520 He had a couple on the show and they both made money.
00:46:55.740 And he basically told like the girl was a little bit ahead in her career cause she was
00:47:00.200 like military or something.
00:47:01.900 Okay.
00:47:02.400 Um, and he was telling the guy that he wasn't doing enough, but I was looking at her. 0.97
00:47:05.940 I'm like, she's fat. 0.98
00:47:07.020 Yeah.
00:47:07.380 Like, I was like, I'm like, she's got to get on the tread, you know what I mean?
00:47:14.860 Before we're going to say she deserves a, uh, like, do you know what I mean?
00:47:19.260 I'm like, she's got to be in shape to at least like, well, that's the thing when you, when 0.82
00:47:24.260 you're talking about all the expectations placed on men, you know, you gotta, you gotta be jacked
00:47:28.060 and you gotta be six feet tall and six figures.
00:47:30.020 And it's like, well, women can't even do the bare minimum and just be, you know, eat less. 1.00
00:47:34.560 We don't even have to work out.
00:47:35.740 We just have to eat less.
00:47:37.200 Right.
00:47:37.500 Is it harder to grow muscles or just not overeat?
00:47:39.580 Yeah.
00:47:39.840 Or is it harder to lose, lose weight or gain height?
00:47:42.040 You know what I mean?
00:47:42.320 So, so there are things that men are shamed for that we can't even control.
00:47:46.020 Women have more control over the things that, you know, that we shame them for. 1.00
00:47:50.220 I mean, obviously when it comes to like men being shamed for being incels and women being 0.76
00:47:53.460 shamed for being sluts, women control their body count way more than most men do because 1.00
00:47:58.480 women are the control access. 1.00
00:48:00.600 Yeah.
00:48:00.700 Yeah.
00:48:00.720 The gatekeepers and stuff.
00:48:01.440 So, so, um, but as far as, um, the other thing also, I think that, that there's this concept
00:48:07.380 going around the manosphere called hoflation, right?
00:48:09.980 Men have to work, men today have to work five times harder than their grandfathers did for
00:48:13.880 women 20 times worse than their grandmother, what their grandmothers were. 1.00
00:48:17.860 And yet if we're telling men that women have these delusional expectations, now go out and 0.95
00:48:23.800 meet, fulfill those delusional expectations.
00:48:27.260 Are we not feeding the very hoflation problem that we're complaining about?
00:48:31.420 Yeah.
00:48:31.940 I just think there's always going to be guys that are like, that's my only choice.
00:48:36.420 Do you know what I mean?
00:48:36.980 I'm not, I'm not saying they should, or they shouldn't.
00:48:39.280 I'm really not here to tell guys how to date.
00:48:42.040 I don't, I've never dated women.
00:48:43.420 So I just don't have an opinion on like that.
00:48:46.440 Uh, but I just, you know, like I've interviewed guys where they're just like, like I had a
00:48:51.220 friend in London.
00:48:53.440 I'd never met him.
00:48:55.080 I'd never, he had never had a girlfriend that like expected him to not cheat.
00:48:59.840 Like it was always a one sided open thing and talking him out of like, cause he kind of
00:49:05.780 did all this stuff.
00:49:06.620 Like he got the muscles.
00:49:07.880 He was a really successful.
00:49:08.880 I'm not, I'm not going to say the industry, but he was very like good in his field.
00:49:13.760 And I'm like, if you would tell him, well, you're feeding women's delusional expectations. 0.99
00:49:18.440 He would say, I don't care.
00:49:19.880 Like I have my five women. 0.99
00:49:24.080 I don't like, I do not care.
00:49:26.240 And like the way he would, I just, I know him.
00:49:28.740 So he, the, what he would say is he'd say something like, well, then why don't we, like
00:49:32.540 I did all this work.
00:49:33.620 Why didn't you do all this work?
00:49:35.440 Right.
00:49:35.940 Um, I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but I'm just curious how you would respond to
00:49:40.440 something like that.
00:49:41.400 I mean, typically, you know, when the man does the work, it's, it's the, you know, the mindset
00:49:46.040 where why does a society that tells a man, he doesn't deserve a woman when he's broke
00:49:49.980 have any right to tell that man, he only deserves one woman when he's rich.
00:49:53.600 So the man is going to say, well, I've done the work now.
00:49:55.960 I'm a high status, high value man.
00:49:58.020 Now I'm going to exercise my options.
00:49:59.960 And so are women willing to, you know, share those men or are they willing to settle for
00:50:04.440 more average men if they want the loyalty?
00:50:06.040 So it's kind of, you know, I saw this guy do deal.
00:50:10.600 Like, I was like, he would bring like two, like two girls that he was like hooking up
00:50:18.020 with to a party.
00:50:19.200 He just did not care.
00:50:20.600 He's like, leave me.
00:50:21.980 Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:50:23.040 I think that modern women today are almost like concert groupies. 1.00
00:50:28.200 They just want to be with a rock star or they want to be, you know what I mean?
00:50:31.020 They want to be that trophy, that arm candy and stuff.
00:50:34.240 I will say though, I used to think the money mattered more to women than it does. 0.51
00:50:38.660 I've seen a lot of women from the show just sleep with like bar, like guys in certain 1.00
00:50:44.360 positions.
00:50:45.500 Like they really like bartenders, like aren't club promoters broke and they're always.
00:50:50.080 Yeah.
00:50:50.220 Well, I mean, so they'll go for a broke Chad basically.
00:50:52.720 Someone who's just, yeah.
00:50:53.820 Or just in the right, like comedians.
00:50:56.760 They're kind of like, a lot of them aren't like super good looking, but they're funny.
00:51:00.720 Yeah.
00:51:01.040 You know?
00:51:01.460 I was wondering about that also.
00:51:02.760 It's kind of like when you look at like, you know, the sexiest men alive, you know,
00:51:06.120 were, were, you know, you know, famous comedians on there and stuff, or, you know, I don't
00:51:11.220 know, but you know, obviously they've, they've always said that, you know, women love men
00:51:15.600 who make them laugh.
00:51:16.900 I just, this reminds me of something I saw where it was like, this guy was at a party
00:51:21.000 and he was getting no attention from women and he was like, screw this.
00:51:24.540 So he went and got his guitar and came back.
00:51:26.820 Yeah, but I mean, yeah.
00:51:29.760 And I'm not saying it's right, but I'm like, the guys that like figure out a cheat code,
00:51:34.440 I'm like, you're not going to talk them out of like five women. 0.81
00:51:38.100 Good luck.
00:51:38.980 Yeah.
00:51:39.740 But I mean, but, but, you know, then you talk to these guys who are like passport bros 0.97
00:51:43.900 and you know, they go overseas.
00:51:45.340 And then what I call passport bros is almost like it's a shortcut to becoming a high value
00:51:49.820 man because, you know, your average man is already kind of considered a high value man
00:51:54.960 in the eyes of foreign women, he's already good enough. 0.99
00:51:57.520 Yeah.
00:51:57.900 And so, um, I think that, uh, you know, that's why you, you hear these stories about guys
00:52:03.580 going to Thailand and then, you know, they'll get all these matches on a dating app and then
00:52:08.660 women will drive, you know, two, three, four hours to come see you and, and, and drive 1.00
00:52:14.020 you around and take you around and stuff.
00:52:15.560 So it's, it's kind of like that, that role reversal, um, going back to what I was saying
00:52:20.000 about the, uh, you know, some of the issues I have with the, the, the manosphere, um, I kind
00:52:24.760 of believe that a lot of the advice or the prescriptions, even though we're told that
00:52:29.180 red pill doesn't give prescriptions, but I think it does.
00:52:32.160 Um, we're kind of just told move or improve, um, you know, be a passport bro or, you know,
00:52:39.220 work on yourself, um, but work on yourself for you, but you know, don't do it for women, 1.00
00:52:44.120 do it for you, even though we're not shaming the MGTOWs who aren't even playing the game. 0.69
00:52:48.100 You know, it's like, why aren't we shaming MGTOWs to improve for themselves? 1.00
00:52:52.020 Anyway, um, I think a lot of it's just coping.
00:52:55.340 It's not, you know, it's basically just saying this is what we're kind of stuck dealing with.
00:52:59.880 Now, you made a great point once where you said, um, you know, if men had 20, 30 beautiful
00:53:07.200 women in their inbox, DMing them saying, let me come over and let me cook for you and massage 1.00
00:53:13.340 you and everything.
00:53:13.980 Don't you think it would be hard to get a man to commit?
00:53:17.620 Oh yeah.
00:53:18.180 So impossible.
00:53:19.420 That guy is the guy I know he's cheating for life.
00:53:24.000 He's like, it's just never going to happen.
00:53:26.080 So, so once again, it comes down to the fact that now that's exactly who the position women 1.00
00:53:29.720 are in.
00:53:30.080 They have all these thirsty simps after them.
00:53:32.320 So women are basically have the privilege of being more picky because they have more 1.00
00:53:37.300 options.
00:53:38.300 So, you know, men would probably do a lot of the same things if they had,
00:53:43.700 the options as well.
00:53:44.840 I think the problem is the game is so rigged to one side that we just don't have the ability
00:53:50.780 to have any bargaining power.
00:53:53.160 I think that our bargaining chips have taken away, have been taken away from us.
00:53:56.180 Our bargaining chip used to be the idea that, you know, we were the ones who, who made the
00:54:01.320 money.
00:54:01.680 But then ever since, you know, women got equal employment opportunities in the workforce and 0.93
00:54:05.360 they're taking half the jobs now.
00:54:06.760 So, I mean, I, you asked this question, um, if we want men to be providers, are we going
00:54:12.460 to remove equal employment opportunities, which are preventing men from fulfilling the
00:54:16.460 provider roles that we're advocating for?
00:54:18.520 So, so, you know, women want to have their cake and eat it too, while men can't even have 0.99
00:54:23.160 a cake, can't have a cake or even eat one.
00:54:25.140 So we have to look at what's going on culturally and within the laws.
00:54:30.520 And I think, you know, we're, we're identifying the symptoms, but we're not looking at the
00:54:35.640 root cause.
00:54:36.340 What's causing these things?
00:54:38.460 Yeah.
00:54:39.140 Because, yeah, I mean, I'm thinking of that.
00:54:42.240 I just saw, I witnessed, I've seen too much now.
00:54:45.040 I feel like I, when I went into the space, I was so like, I just, I did not know.
00:54:50.520 And then you go into it and you're like, do you, do you learn, is there anything at this
00:54:54.560 point that, you know, comes as a surprise to you or are you still, you're still learning
00:54:57.760 new things or?
00:54:58.840 No, nothing's a surprise anymore.
00:55:01.220 Um, I'd say the biggest surprise to me was how much women lie about abuse. 1.00
00:55:05.900 I did not realize that.
00:55:07.580 Yeah.
00:55:07.740 Um, cause that I figured out when I was doing interviews and it was like every other show
00:55:13.360 I was abused, I was abused.
00:55:15.380 And then guys, like you were saying, like people put in the chat, like questions to ask
00:55:20.960 that I never would have thought, you know, cause when a girl's crying or like telling
00:55:24.440 a really sob story, like about her abuse, your first instinct is not to say, well, did
00:55:29.820 you file a police report?
00:55:31.020 Did you do this?
00:55:31.720 Did you do that?
00:55:32.420 Yeah.
00:55:32.640 That's not your, you know, as like a human, you don't really want to do that.
00:55:36.360 And how dare you?
00:55:37.420 Because you're supposed to automatically believe all women. 0.97
00:55:39.960 You can't, if you ask any questions now, all of a sudden you're victim blaming,
00:55:43.160 right?
00:55:43.600 Yeah.
00:55:44.000 But I would just say in general, even if it's a guy, like if he's telling me an abuse
00:55:49.640 story, my, my, just as a person, I'm not now I do, but back then that was not my like
00:55:55.380 initial reaction to just not believe like, you know, but it is kind of awkward.
00:56:01.220 Right.
00:56:02.120 Well, it's kind of like, like, you know, you got to ask women what's so attractive about
00:56:05.740 a narcissist because everyone has seemed to have dated a narcissist.
00:56:09.080 But so I started asking them like, Hey, what happened?
00:56:14.160 Right.
00:56:14.340 And there was this turning point in one of the shows where this girl said she was abused.
00:56:18.700 And I said, okay, like, did you file a police report?
00:56:21.240 No.
00:56:21.780 Okay.
00:56:22.360 Well, tell me about like the fight that led up to the abuse.
00:56:25.780 And cause her story was that she was thrown down a flight of stairs.
00:56:28.680 And I was like, well, that's terrible.
00:56:30.080 I don't want anyone to be thrown down a flight of stairs.
00:56:32.620 But she, then she tells a story while I went over there and I wasn't supposed to go over
00:56:36.480 there.
00:56:36.800 And I was fighting with him and in front of his kid and he wanted me to leave and I
00:56:40.260 wouldn't leave.
00:56:40.760 And so he was pushing me out of the house.
00:56:43.020 So, so I look at her and I said, so you were trespassing.
00:56:46.440 And so as soon as I found that out, I just couldn't believe, like, I can't think of a
00:56:55.280 single abuse story on the show.
00:56:56.920 I believe or great.
00:56:58.460 Well, also like, you know, when you look at the, uh, the Duluth model, uh, what is that?
00:57:02.620 That's the, um, the idea that the men are automatically perceived as the primary aggressors in, um, domestic
00:57:08.160 violence cases.
00:57:09.680 Um, but then also, isn't there a statistics that, um, women are the biggest initiators of 1.00
00:57:15.260 domestic violence, especially, I guess, if you look at the domestic violence rates in 0.73
00:57:18.640 lesbian relationships, much higher than domestic violence in homos, gay homosexual relationships. 0.99
00:57:25.160 And, and also why would we not attribute women to being more violent when, you know, being 1.00
00:57:30.880 more emotional leads to violence?
00:57:33.240 I know.
00:57:33.540 I think I have always said that women are not nurturing. 0.97
00:57:36.240 Cause I went down this rabbit hole where I was trying to think of anything we were better
00:57:39.700 at.
00:57:40.180 Like anything I could back up with like a fact.
00:57:45.280 The best chefs are men, right?
00:57:47.180 No, that's what kept happening.
00:57:48.880 Right.
00:57:49.200 And then I looked up, I was like, well, we're better with infants, right?
00:57:53.480 Wrong.
00:57:54.800 Did you know if there's an infanticide?
00:57:56.520 Do you know what that is?
00:57:57.960 Uh, infanticide is, uh, yeah.
00:57:59.900 So after the kid's born in the first year, if a kid's murdered, it's called, I think it's
00:58:04.140 called an infanticide that it's like 95% women are the perpetrators. 0.99
00:58:09.500 Wow.
00:58:10.100 So if a baby dies within the first year of life, it's almost like the police don't even
00:58:14.900 look for male victims or sorry, male perpetrators, because it's almost always a female or the
00:58:20.860 mother and women are more likely to kill the elderly too. 0.99
00:58:23.860 What I don't understand about that though, is like, you know, you've heard these horror
00:58:26.520 stories about women or just babies, infants being left in a dumpster.
00:58:30.720 Always women. 1.00
00:58:31.240 Um, but, but the thing I don't understand is that, isn't it, what about the story about
00:58:34.640 women can leave their child, you know, for adoption with a fire department or something? 1.00
00:58:38.760 Why wouldn't they put up their child for adoption sooner than they would just abandon their baby? 1.00
00:58:42.540 They're mad.
00:58:43.080 They reproduced with a guy they didn't want to.
00:58:45.320 That's what, that's what I think is behind it is they reprie, like, I think that after
00:58:49.100 women have kids, it's like post-nut clarity, you know, and like guys, like they think 1.00
00:58:53.180 they like a woman and then they sleep with her and they realize, oh, I just wanted the sex. 0.96
00:58:57.680 I think women have that with like kids. 1.00
00:58:59.920 And so, you know, some women are just like, you know, they go crazy. 1.00
00:59:04.220 They kill their kid, you know? 0.85
00:59:05.500 Yeah.
00:59:06.100 Um, but I had a back and forth with Sneeko on a show and he just kept saying like, why
00:59:10.360 do you hate women? 0.75
00:59:11.140 Like women are like meant to be mothers and dah, dah, dah, dah. 1.00
00:59:14.100 And I was like, I don't think so.
00:59:16.220 Because if women really wanted to be mothers, we would have all, it's kind of like, I think 0.93
00:59:20.980 we're like, it's like revealed preferences versus stated preferences.
00:59:26.260 It's like, we would have all had kids at 20, but none of us wanted to.
00:59:30.400 So, so do you think that women still today want to be married?
00:59:34.160 Do they want families? 0.83
00:59:35.060 Did they?
00:59:35.540 No, I don't.
00:59:36.840 I think it's like as simple as no, they don't.
00:59:39.240 So, so my, my question also is like, you know, when I think about, you know, men kind
00:59:43.920 of exercising their leverage and maybe going MGTOW and taking, because all men can really 1.00
00:59:47.760 do at this point is maybe like take themselves off the market.
00:59:50.260 But how much impact is that going to have when most of those men are already deemed invisible
00:59:55.820 to women to begin with?
00:59:57.600 So it's kind of like, you know, if women only have eyes for the top men, those are the men 0.89
01:00:02.680 engaging with the women and the other.
01:00:04.180 So I think that, that, um, you know, but women still kind of, even though they're independent, 1.00
01:00:10.140 they still rely on a lot of those 80% of men.
01:00:12.740 Like they don't need those men, but they still need their money because they want to sell them 1.00
01:00:16.060 only fans and they want to, you know, they still need attention from those men. 0.96
01:00:19.300 So I think that if you can kind of like, uh, you know, create a middleman or something,
01:00:25.420 you know, something else that those men can focus on instead of chasing those women who
01:00:29.660 don't want to reproduce with them or don't want to engage with them. 0.99
01:00:33.160 Then all of a sudden now those women have, you know, they have to step up and, you know, 1.00
01:00:39.180 kind of conform to what those men want right now.
01:00:42.580 They don't have to care because they already have all their needs met.
01:00:44.940 No, that's so true.
01:00:46.060 But, uh, I just think it's like, it's something I even thought was true.
01:00:50.840 Like we all wanted to be married and be mothers, but actually my, um, my boyfriend now said
01:00:58.060 something to me, me once.
01:00:59.300 He's like, if women wanted to be in relationships, they would be. 0.99
01:01:02.500 And he's like, I, as a man, he's like, I cannot fathom having as much choice as you
01:01:08.540 guys have and not being in a relationship.
01:01:11.180 He's like, if we had a thousand matches on a dating app, we would be on dates.
01:01:17.640 He's like, if they wanted to be in relationships, you would go on a date every day of the week
01:01:22.060 until you found a guy you wanted to be in a relationship with.
01:01:25.100 But women aren't doing that. 1.00
01:01:26.440 Right.
01:01:26.840 No, I mean, that's the thing.
01:01:27.920 It's like a lot of women are hanging out with their girlfriends or they'd rather, you 1.00
01:01:31.620 know, I think, I think, uh, I did an episode called single by choice.
01:01:34.900 I think women are single by choice and men are single by circumstance. 0.97
01:01:38.680 I think that, um, you know, what, what needs going back to what I was saying before, what
01:01:43.860 needs are women currently deprived that they're forced to be with men currently? 0.99
01:01:47.460 I don't think they're deprived anything.
01:01:48.680 They can get all their needs met, but men are still deprived needs that they're forced
01:01:52.140 to be with women, which is, you know, companionship, intimacy, you know, sexual access, all that
01:01:57.860 other stuff.
01:01:58.480 It's also, if you look at the top like TV shows that women watch, it's all side chicks. 1.00
01:02:04.900 No, like the handmaid's tale scandal.
01:02:08.940 I'm like, I don't know.
01:02:10.660 I think we just love being side chicks.
01:02:12.940 Like, I think it's that simple.
01:02:14.320 I think women, we just want to be side chicks. 1.00
01:02:18.020 Well, I mean, but, but don't you think that even the side chicks want to be the main chick? 1.00
01:02:22.780 Yeah, but then they become the main chick and they get bored. 1.00
01:02:25.900 Yeah.
01:02:26.520 Yeah.
01:02:27.340 Like, you know, or like, or it's like, um, they like tame the super, like,
01:02:34.900 you know, I have a friend, um, we're like the most unlikely of pals.
01:02:39.400 He's, um, a open relationship, super liberal.
01:02:43.380 He's done like vegan protest guy.
01:02:45.860 And I was like, why would you do open relationships?
01:02:48.980 And he said, whenever I would go monogamous, they would start treating me bad.
01:02:54.380 And he's like, I just said no.
01:02:57.660 And, and so I w it was almost like pragmatic for him as he tried like being, like, he said,
01:03:03.940 they only treat me well when they think there's other women. 1.00
01:03:06.840 Yeah.
01:03:07.660 And, and so even the open, like, who's more of a cuck, um, Crowder or destiny?
01:03:14.160 You know what I mean? 0.98
01:03:15.020 Cause destiny, it's like, you look at all the women he was banging.
01:03:17.840 It's like Lauren Southern, like it's, it's attractive and you can maybe argue they're
01:03:22.480 crazy and now he paid for it later, but he ran through like all of, well, it's still,
01:03:28.060 I mean, whether you're, he's hooking up with the, whether you're conservative or whether
01:03:31.940 you're liberal, it's still gynocentrism.
01:03:34.920 You're still basically, you know, you ever hear the expression, what is it?
01:03:39.120 Chivalry and feminism. 1.00
01:03:40.500 And by the way, I'm a fan of Crowder.
01:03:41.680 I didn't mean to throw a shot.
01:03:42.900 Sorry.
01:03:44.900 You ever hear the expression chivalry and feminism are two sides of the same gynocentric 1.00
01:03:49.520 coin.
01:03:50.420 Yeah.
01:03:51.080 It's, it's basically both pedestal, both place women at a status above men, both place 0.99
01:03:56.380 women on a pedestal. 1.00
01:03:57.440 So we have to kind of like, you know, realize that feminism, chivalry is the very premise 1.00
01:04:04.960 that feminism is based on. 1.00
01:04:07.480 Feminism would have never gained traction without the help of men. 1.00
01:04:11.420 So I think that, that we have to look at, you know, this idea that, that, you know, women 1.00
01:04:17.260 are prioritized, you know, they are the prize, you know, whether you're a liberal like Destiny
01:04:23.640 or whether you're conservative like Crowder.
01:04:25.340 And it's all about, you know, keeping the happy wife, happy life, got to keep her happy
01:04:29.400 and stuff.
01:04:29.860 Right.
01:04:30.300 And, uh, when women have options and when women have power, they tend to, you know, abuse 1.00
01:04:35.520 that power and stuff.
01:04:36.540 Now, now maybe men would do that too. 0.92
01:04:39.060 But all I'm saying is there has to be some type of, you know, checks and balances.
01:04:43.100 And there used to be checks on hypergamy.
01:04:45.240 That's what Shaw talks about, you know, with the dowry. 1.00
01:04:48.440 And now there aren't.
01:04:50.900 And, you know, I think there's a male version of hypergamy. 1.00
01:04:53.920 I think that, that women wanting the bigger, better deal is the equivalent of men wanting 0.98
01:04:57.780 the younger, hotter chick, or maybe even multiple women. 1.00
01:05:01.040 But the family court only punishes men pursuing their hypergamy.
01:05:05.640 Right.
01:05:06.500 Yeah.
01:05:07.000 And I actually don't think men are as bad with leverage.
01:05:10.980 I do think they would cheat.
01:05:13.700 Right.
01:05:13.900 I do think, yeah, I, and I had like a turning point for me where I had a guy on my show who
01:05:20.120 was like a conservative, like he had a very big Christian, like conservative brand.
01:05:24.260 And then he was like date and he would say like cheating is bad.
01:05:29.260 And then he was like dating like four girls from the show.
01:05:32.240 And I probably wasn't like exclusive or whatever, but I don't think any of them, you know, and
01:05:37.280 different girls are telling me their date, like people talk, you know, and I was like, 0.89
01:05:41.440 oh shit, most guys will cheat when they give, are given the option. 0.97
01:05:45.260 Well, even like when we talk about the whole body count issue and stuff, right? 1.00
01:05:49.000 If we're coaching men to be the high value man that plows through women, aren't we kind 0.99
01:05:55.460 of sculpting men to be the very thing that we condemn in women? 1.00
01:05:58.340 Yeah.
01:05:58.920 So is that kind of, you know, and, and even when we complain about body count, does it
01:06:02.940 make sense to complain about women having high body counts at the, at the same time 1.00
01:06:06.400 we're complaining about men being incels?
01:06:08.780 Yeah.
01:06:09.180 Well, the, the thing is, I just kind of see it like that's kind of how it is.
01:06:13.580 Unfortunate.
01:06:13.980 Like, I don't, I don't know if you see it changing in our lifetime.
01:06:17.340 I, I don't, but people call me black pilled.
01:06:21.500 So.
01:06:22.180 I mean, it's, it's almost like all roads lead to MGTOW. 0.52
01:06:25.860 Yeah.
01:06:26.160 And I think that, but, but at the same time, I think the people who really have it correct,
01:06:30.260 the most correct are the MGTOWs and the MRAs, because I think that the other stuff just 1.00
01:06:36.500 doesn't necessarily, most men are not going to be high value men.
01:06:41.260 And even if all men did become high value men, high value would just become the new
01:06:45.220 average, you know, because like I said, average men are already high value in the eyes of foreign 0.99
01:06:50.620 women. 0.81
01:06:50.900 I mean, women are just going to keep raising their standards and say, oh, well, every 1.00
01:06:53.860 man's a millionaire.
01:06:54.680 Now I want a billionaire and stuff, you know?
01:06:56.560 So I think that, you know, this is, you know, this is going to take, you know, a long, long
01:07:05.760 time, but the question, you know, must be asked, did the laws have to change first?
01:07:10.360 Does the culture have to change?
01:07:11.740 I think it's a combination of things because obviously, you know, if you change laws and
01:07:15.360 the culture isn't supporting it, then it sounds like a dictatorship.
01:07:18.760 And if the culture changes, it's just a, it's just all about, at least, at least we
01:07:26.020 have to have these conversations and then kind of see where it goes.
01:07:29.080 Cause it's a roulette wheel of just, you know, voices in the space and they're all competing
01:07:33.040 with each other.
01:07:33.760 And so do you think that the content's been effective?
01:07:36.600 Like, do you think that men are, more men are waking up?
01:07:39.900 To a degree.
01:07:40.660 I mean, I'll ask you this cause I've noticed this myself.
01:07:43.240 Do you feel like, you know, you're hearing things in your interviews now that you weren't
01:07:47.320 hearing five years ago?
01:07:48.300 Yeah.
01:07:49.120 I've noticed that as well.
01:07:50.280 I mean, you know, there, there's, there's more awareness, I think, about, you know, the
01:07:59.040 entitlement of women, things like that.
01:08:02.840 But, you know, you still have a lot of guys just kind of on this self-improvement hamster
01:08:07.280 wheel.
01:08:07.940 And like I said, nothing wrong with self-improvement, but, you know, I don't think self-improvement
01:08:13.060 is going to fix all of men's collective issues.
01:08:15.240 Yeah.
01:08:16.140 Well, I don't think those guys care about men's collective issues.
01:08:19.500 They're in it for themselves.
01:08:21.160 You know, like, I don't want to speak for all of them.
01:08:24.480 Right.
01:08:24.920 But just the ones, the, the guys I've known, um, like that came on the show and I just knew
01:08:30.940 were very like successful with women.
01:08:33.980 Yeah.
01:08:34.340 They don't care.
01:08:35.100 They don't care about men's rights. 1.00
01:08:36.400 They're, they're having a great time.
01:08:38.260 They're not going to stop.
01:08:39.260 Not only that, but I mean, let's just acknowledge how many high, high level men have been destroyed
01:08:44.200 by the legal system.
01:08:45.380 Yeah.
01:08:45.640 So it's like, you know, being, being high value, isn't the end all be all you're still
01:08:50.300 subject to many laws.
01:08:51.600 I mean, this is why, you know, a lot of people, you know, when they become a passport, bro,
01:08:56.160 they have to stay in that country because if you bring her back here, you're subject to 0.99
01:08:59.700 the laws and you're subject to, you know.
01:09:01.900 So they just become kind of pragmatic though.
01:09:05.220 So they'll get ring cameras.
01:09:06.760 If you know, if we're talking like me too type stuff, they'll, they'll get like, uh, I
01:09:12.660 know some of them get the girls to text them the next day and say they had a good time or
01:09:16.600 whatever.
01:09:16.920 I'm not saying they're in like, I'm not saying it can't happen to them, but the way they're
01:09:22.340 going to do, I'm just telling you, that's what they do.
01:09:24.540 So basically we've gone from friends with benefits to now sleeping with the enemy.
01:09:29.440 You can't even, you can't even trust your partner.
01:09:31.440 Oh, they don't.
01:09:32.560 You have to maintain frame at all times.
01:09:34.520 If, if, if anything happens, it's your fault because you're supposed to lead.
01:09:38.220 I mean, this is, you know, it, it just always will center circle back to, um, shaming men.
01:09:46.140 Yeah.
01:09:46.580 Well, I think the way they would kind of see it isn't really, but it's not like, they
01:09:52.380 just don't care.
01:09:52.980 They're, they're trying to get sex. 0.98
01:09:54.380 Like they just, they're not really thinking about all this stuff. 0.99
01:09:57.140 They're just like, I want, I want to bang three hot women a week. 1.00
01:10:00.880 Like right now, now imagine. 0.98
01:10:02.500 And not care about what happens after.
01:10:05.100 Right.
01:10:05.480 Now imagine if we had a safe and regulated outlet for men to fulfill that need of theirs. 0.77
01:10:12.620 Now, all of a sudden they can take care of that.
01:10:15.080 And now they can make smarter decisions.
01:10:17.820 I mean, everyone's, everyone's always telling men, men need to be strong.
01:10:20.880 And I'm saying, it's not that men need to be strong.
01:10:23.920 Men need to be smart.
01:10:25.380 Yeah.
01:10:26.480 Cause, oh my gosh.
01:10:27.500 Have you ever tried to talk a guy out of like marrying someone he shouldn't marry?
01:10:32.740 You can't.
01:10:33.660 No, they're going to shoot the messenger.
01:10:35.260 Yeah.
01:10:36.500 No.
01:10:37.080 And that's the thing.
01:10:37.740 It's like, oh, another one bites the dust.
01:10:39.420 Yeah.
01:10:39.700 And, and, and that's the thing is, is, you know, but you have to sit there and be congratulatory
01:10:45.920 and everything.
01:10:46.400 And, you know, have you, did you see the Shannon Sharp case?
01:10:51.560 I grazed the, the, yeah.
01:10:53.860 I was just curious.
01:10:55.000 Cause basically he was banging, um, some eight, 18 to, I think she, when they stopped
01:11:00.580 hooking up, she was 22 year old, like OF model. 1.00
01:11:03.420 Okay.
01:11:03.780 And she was really into the BDSM stuff.
01:11:06.720 And basically she set him up and now he's, he just got offered like a $50 million contract.
01:11:13.260 Yeah.
01:11:13.640 And I knew he was going to get a false accusation.
01:11:16.640 Cause I can just, I can just tell the difference between a guy that's really like, if he's going
01:11:21.820 to be a player, like the guy I knew in London was very intelligent about it.
01:11:27.520 He had systems process, like thought, if she does this, I'll do that.
01:11:31.540 And I could just tell over the years that he was like, you know, when you could just tell
01:11:35.480 a guy's just getting very cocky.
01:11:37.120 He thinks it can't ever happen to them.
01:11:38.620 He thinks he's like the ultimate alpha, you know?
01:11:41.720 Yeah.
01:11:41.900 And I'm like, he is going to catch a case.
01:11:43.840 And he did.
01:11:44.760 She, yeah, she said he like, she didn't consent, blah, blah, blah.
01:11:48.020 Right.
01:11:48.040 Well, it's funny cause, um, I'm actually doing a, uh, an episode right now, uh, on me too
01:11:53.580 and consent.
01:11:54.720 And the idea that it's like, I mean, you know, are we headed towards needing consent contracts?
01:11:59.280 I knew a guy that did that.
01:12:00.540 But, but even then, I mean, I don't think that's going to solve anything because, uh,
01:12:03.880 you know, it's like, okay, look at prenups.
01:12:06.680 A woman can, a woman, a woman can withdraw consent to a prenup.
01:12:10.360 So, you know what I mean?
01:12:11.360 Like, like, like, you know, women have, it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind, but 0.99
01:12:16.060 a man is held, expected to be consistent, basically, you know?
01:12:20.180 This guy had like lines for each, um, act that he consented to.
01:12:28.180 Yeah.
01:12:28.600 Like, how far can we go?
01:12:30.120 Well, not only that, but also, I mean, you know, you talk about like the whole, like,
01:12:33.360 50 shades of gray and everything.
01:12:34.960 And, you know, I mean, God, when you're dealing with women in BDSM, I mean, you're really pushing 1.00
01:12:39.040 the line and stuff.
01:12:39.820 I mean, uh, one of my questions was, um, if consent is something that should be read through
01:12:44.860 body language, why are there sexual encounters that require a safe word? 0.54
01:12:48.840 You know, you need to, sometimes you need to have that verbal consent, but I mean, are
01:12:52.200 you, once again, you know, there's, there's what women say or, you know, what we're expected 0.99
01:12:56.520 to do, and then you're going to kill the attraction.
01:12:59.340 So it's kind of like, you're just playing with fire at that point.
01:13:04.700 Have you noticed different archetypes of people in your interviews?
01:13:09.040 Absolutely.
01:13:09.400 Like, what are some of the archetypes that you tend to see?
01:13:13.240 Uh, well, there are the, you know, liberal fem, I mean, if a woman has a nose ring, you 1.00
01:13:18.480 know, she's going to be a feminist and she's going to say some liberal stuff. 1.00
01:13:22.120 I mean, every once in a while there's exceptions, but, but if I had to generalize, um, you know,
01:13:26.440 obviously when I'm at the rodeo and I'm talking to people with cowboy hats on, I know I'm talking
01:13:30.680 to trad cons, um, you know, I think that, uh, uh, there, that's a big part of it.
01:13:40.260 Um, you know, there are, you know, the guys who are, you know, the alpha, the alpha males,
01:13:44.960 the beta males and like that.
01:13:46.240 I mean, I don't really like to subscribe to that whole thing and stuff, but, you know,
01:13:51.020 it tends to be like the guys who go to the gym.
01:13:52.700 They're all, you know, about like the man is supposed to be the leader and you're going
01:13:55.680 to be the, you know, and they're just big on that masculinity, uh, um, uh, train or 0.97
01:14:01.300 whatever.
01:14:02.780 I think that, um, a lot of people just kind of, it's just almost, it's almost like they're
01:14:07.580 cosplaying, like they're almost wearing a costume and they don't even know necessarily
01:14:11.560 because once you start to like peel back the layers and really just ask them why they
01:14:15.140 believe what they believe, like, like, like one of the funny questions I asked, like, okay.
01:14:20.860 I know when I can kind of size somebody up.
01:14:24.320 Like, okay, these are the type of questions I want to ask them.
01:14:26.340 Like when I knew I was interviewing trad cons, I want to throw a question at them like this.
01:14:31.120 What does masculinity look like if you're not religious, traditional or conservative?
01:14:35.580 Because that's literally how they define masculinity.
01:14:38.640 But does that mean you can't be mad?
01:14:40.820 Like you have to be those things to be a man.
01:14:43.560 You know what I mean?
01:14:44.180 And so according to their narrative, and so, um, I don't know.
01:14:49.360 I just, I, I want to at least, you know, know kind of what I'm dealing with so I can kind
01:14:55.100 of challenge because, oh, you know, if you look like this, you probably believe this.
01:14:59.460 Um, but sometimes I just run to people randomly and I don't know what to expect.
01:15:03.520 But if I go to a convention, I know like, okay, if I, if I go to like a comic book convention,
01:15:07.120 I'm probably going to interview a bunch of nerds and they're probably not, you know,
01:15:10.640 subscribing to all the alpha stuff.
01:15:12.740 They're a little bit more like, you know, okay, I'm just, you know, myself and, you
01:15:17.180 know, I embrace being, you know, a nerd and video games and stuff like that.
01:15:21.720 So I don't know.
01:15:22.180 It's just, uh, what's your experience on that?
01:15:23.900 So you have the, I'll tell you, but so you have like the trad cons, the feminist women, 1.00
01:15:29.440 the nerds at convention.
01:15:31.160 I'm just curious what else you've seen.
01:15:33.200 Well, well, okay.
01:15:34.060 You know, we live in Las Vegas and so, or I'm sorry, I live in Las Vegas and every culture
01:15:39.440 is represented out here and stuff.
01:15:40.800 Right.
01:15:40.960 So, you know, there might be, um, you know, uh, um, bikers there, you know, there's, there's, 1.00
01:15:47.980 there's, there's bikers, there's gay people, there's conservative, the bikers.
01:15:51.960 I haven't really dived that deep into it and stuff, but I think that, um, I would say that
01:16:00.440 there's a degree of like, kind of, you know, machoism or masculine that comes with that and
01:16:05.400 stuff.
01:16:05.640 I mean, I think that, uh, a lot of guys who ride bikes, you know, they get off on the, uh,
01:16:09.480 you know, the adrenaline of that and stuff and the freedom of that.
01:16:12.580 But I don't know.
01:16:13.800 I mean, you know, some people I have more experience with than others.
01:16:17.200 Um, you know, uh, some guys that are kind of a little more like ghetto, a little more 0.90
01:16:21.660 thug kind of, you know, mentality and everything.
01:16:24.460 Um, and so, you know, it's like, uh,
01:16:27.460 every, everything is like, you know, constantly testing you out here and you know what I mean?
01:16:36.280 There's just, there's, if I talk to like showgirls, uh, the showgirls, you know, tend to be very,
01:16:41.920 you know, boss babes and like that, you know, they're, they know that, uh, they can go out 0.99
01:16:47.560 and, um, you know, just, just show their stuff and, and get whatever they want and make money
01:16:52.100 and everything.
01:16:52.920 But you know, there's, there's exceptions to everything.
01:16:54.880 I don't know.
01:16:55.200 It's just a, it's an interesting question.
01:16:57.460 When I interviewed people, I found that there's not that many exceptions.
01:17:00.540 Like most people kind of believe what they look like.
01:17:03.360 There's the occasional one that makes a very good interview that'll like, you know, like
01:17:07.460 the conservative, like, I think you had a conservative lesbian once that was like very 0.95
01:17:12.320 interesting.
01:17:12.960 Like, I think it was one of, yeah.
01:17:14.200 Yeah.
01:17:14.360 She was that, that's a perfect example because she looked like she was going to be the biggest 1.00
01:17:18.700 man-hating lesbian and she was actually like a big defender of men and, and also you would 1.00
01:17:24.480 expect a lesbian to be more liberal and not conservative. 1.00
01:17:28.040 So, yeah, but I, I don't know when I've interviewed people, I found it's like pretty easy to kind
01:17:33.540 of profile people and figure out based on there is a generational difference where, um, for
01:17:40.040 example, one thing in dating I've noticed is men over 40 ish, depending on where the guy
01:17:45.880 grew up, if it's a more liberal or conservative area are offended by women asking to split 0.96
01:17:51.440 the bill.
01:17:52.240 Like they would kind of look at it as an insult over 40 where like men under 40, it's, it 0.77
01:17:58.320 may have happened to them a few times.
01:18:00.080 It's not the most abnormal thing in the world.
01:18:02.960 Um, another thing I've noticed is women, I can kind of tell their relationship problems 1.00
01:18:08.660 by how they describe their ex.
01:18:10.340 Um, so like if they say, um, he just didn't appreciate me, I know that means that she's
01:18:18.180 always going to, or like I did so much for him equals I'm going to keep score in a relationship
01:18:23.520 and count all of that.
01:18:24.940 Yeah.
01:18:25.840 There's little things like that where I could like translate what they're actually, like
01:18:30.500 what they're actually saying, because I understand like, you don't want to be in a completely
01:18:35.180 one-sided relationship, but like people that like are actually doing things out of their
01:18:41.700 goodwill, they're not really keeping score.
01:18:43.740 And if they really feel like they're being taken advantage of, they're just going to like,
01:18:48.060 you know, they're not, they're not doing it to get something.
01:18:50.340 They'll just go, you know?
01:18:52.320 Well, yeah.
01:18:53.100 If you're, if you're, if you're going tit for tat, I think that, you know, it's already,
01:18:55.960 the relationship is probably already, you know.
01:18:57.860 And it's usually she did like two things.
01:18:59.700 I also noticed women when they give like, um, gifts, it's always gifts that women would 1.00
01:19:06.800 want and never gifts that men want.
01:19:08.920 So they'll always say like, I had so many women, I asked them about gifts they gave to
01:19:13.180 men and it was like a romantic hotel.
01:19:17.280 I mean, it's stuff that's nice, but it's just not something that I think of like a guy
01:19:22.300 would really.
01:19:23.360 Well, what's the, uh, the, the joke that, um, women will give gifts to men like, okay, 0.98
01:19:27.540 I'm going to give you a toolkit so you can go fix stuff around that.
01:19:29.700 So I'll just like, you know, make you more of a utility, you know, so you can kind of
01:19:33.960 do, you know, that kind of, but I don't know.
01:19:36.400 I mean, uh, sometimes women will, you know, maybe buy a guy watch or something like that, 0.66
01:19:40.660 I guess.
01:19:41.060 But who do the, who are the watches for though?
01:19:46.700 I mean, like when do women buy a guy a video game? 0.91
01:19:49.360 That's for him.
01:19:50.800 You know what I mean?
01:19:51.420 Like when I feel like men buy watches that are expensive more for women than for men.
01:19:56.860 Perhaps.
01:19:57.340 I could be wrong.
01:19:58.060 I don't, I'm not like a Rolex expert, but well, you know, I mean, we might be just talking
01:20:02.640 about the exceptions here, I guess, but yeah, I was just curious if you had any like observations
01:20:07.800 kind of similar in your interviews like that.
01:20:10.340 I mean, one of my, uh, like earliest interviews, I mean, obviously, you know, when you look at
01:20:14.360 the whole like romantic model and stuff, you know, it's, you know, flowers and candy and
01:20:19.720 all that stuff, that's all for women. 1.00
01:20:21.300 You know what I mean?
01:20:21.660 So it's all about, you know, just, uh, uh, celebrating the woman and making her, you
01:20:26.340 know, feel like a, you know, the rose petals.
01:20:28.680 I mean, you don't, you don't see women doing all that stuff for men, you know what I mean? 0.55
01:20:31.740 So, and, and nowadays there's this, you know, if they do do it, they got to put it on social
01:20:37.380 media to show everyone they did.
01:20:39.420 Well, nowadays, nowadays men are shamed for, for that because it's like, it's like, oh,
01:20:45.720 he wants princess treatment and stuff.
01:20:47.560 Right.
01:20:47.800 And the thing is that there's this like really weird black and white bubble gum dichotomy
01:20:53.720 where it's like, you know, if you're not like this super alpha macho masculine man, that
01:20:59.900 means you want to put on a dress and wear makeup.
01:21:01.880 You know what I mean?
01:21:02.320 Or, you know, if, if you don't want to, you know, pedestalize this woman or, you know,
01:21:09.720 or whatever, if you want to feel, um, like, you know, that was the expression that says,
01:21:14.960 uh, uh, women want love, men want respect. 0.60
01:21:17.900 Well, I think they both want love and respect, but it's like, you know, if, if, if a man wants
01:21:22.800 to feel, you know, like a woman wants to do something kind for him, it's like all of a
01:21:26.800 sudden now he's going to be masculine and be shamed for that.
01:21:29.240 You know what I mean?
01:21:29.640 Cause now you want princess treatment and he'll be shamed by women or other men or
01:21:33.860 whatever.
01:21:34.160 And it's just like, you know, I, I just get so tired of like, you know, as a man, this
01:21:40.060 is how you're supposed to sit.
01:21:41.020 And this is the type of drink you can't, you can only drink these types of drinks and
01:21:43.600 you can only drive this type of car.
01:21:44.940 And you know what I mean?
01:21:45.680 It's just like nagging.
01:21:46.840 Well, it's just, everyone is trying to, you know, define what a man is and, and try to,
01:21:52.560 you know, everyone's trying to, to like, like men are shamed for being
01:21:59.020 toxically masculine, but then they're also shamed for not being masculine enough.
01:22:02.740 So they're being shamed from, from both sides.
01:22:05.460 So I just say to men, just stop caring what anybody thinks and just be who you want to
01:22:10.200 be.
01:22:10.860 Have you done interviews in different cities or have you just stuck to Vegas?
01:22:15.260 I would like to travel more.
01:22:17.220 I think that, you know, maybe as I have the opportunity, you know, to grow my following
01:22:21.520 and, uh, you know, and have more revenue streams.
01:22:25.040 I think that, uh, that'll, you know, open up new, uh, new opportunities for me.
01:22:28.940 But, um, you know, I was in Europe this summer and I went to, uh, Italy and Croatia and Greece
01:22:35.020 and I, it's just beautiful there, but I would love to, uh, have the opportunity.
01:22:38.860 Did you do interviews or no?
01:22:40.500 I get it.
01:22:41.240 I probably should have, but I'll tell you this.
01:22:42.820 Like, like certain cultures, I mean, I wonder how it was in London, but like, you know,
01:22:48.360 if in certain cultures, people are a little more timid, you know, I don't typically get
01:22:52.000 Asian people on my show.
01:22:53.840 Me either.
01:22:54.520 They're the hardest to interview.
01:22:55.940 They're very shy.
01:22:56.880 The same thing in London.
01:22:58.200 Yeah.
01:22:58.480 Even though there is kind of like a Chinatown area.
01:23:00.620 So maybe I'll try a little bit of that.
01:23:02.380 Um, but, uh, you know, and, and, you know, the nice thing about Vegas is that everyone comes
01:23:09.940 here.
01:23:10.200 So I have the opportunity to get, you know, like if I was in, you know, whatever, just,
01:23:14.860 uh, Texas, not Texas, but, uh, if I was in just a city where everyone is basically kind
01:23:20.160 of like the same, the show would kind of get stale.
01:23:23.820 I think that's one of the things I really enjoy about the fact that I can get just every culture
01:23:28.100 represented and challenge them and see how different, but also how similar people are.
01:23:33.200 Because, you know, if you want to have this idea that, you know, female nature and all women 0.99
01:23:37.300 are the same, then wouldn't the answers all be the same?
01:23:40.380 That was what I thought about in my divorce documentary when I, um, was working on it.
01:23:45.720 Like the stories were the same.
01:23:49.160 It'd be like a guy from Africa, same story, Eastern European wife, same. 0.97
01:23:54.100 So I do wish the passport bros well, but some of the worst stories actually were from passport
01:23:59.620 bros because they, there's like not extradition laws.
01:24:03.800 So like if she steals your kid and brings it to her home country, like you don't have 1.00
01:24:08.580 the same, a lot of them didn't have the same rights.
01:24:10.680 But then at the same time, if, if this is all, you know, natural or female nature, why, 0.65
01:24:16.360 why hasn't these things, why hasn't the incel problem or the divorce, why hasn't that always
01:24:20.820 been an issue?
01:24:21.560 Why is it all of a sudden become an issue if it's nature as opposed to culture?
01:24:26.860 Well, I think it's just women have the freedom to do it now. 1.00
01:24:29.500 Like women didn't have the freedom to like, I don't think in history, women could have 1.00
01:24:35.260 like taken care of herself and had society take care of, you know, cause women, like 1.00
01:24:39.880 we get all these benefits, we get free school, like life doesn't even hit us till what we're
01:24:44.500 40 or like, we actually have to start paying, like paying back stuff.
01:24:48.660 Yeah.
01:24:49.100 Even now I'm, I met a bankruptcy lawyer once and he said like, you can literally like you
01:24:57.100 could spend 60 K, never pay it back.
01:24:59.380 You get like a mark on your record.
01:25:01.420 But so you just got to spend $60,000 and they still get credit cards after and he would
01:25:08.100 help them rebuild their credit.
01:25:10.340 Like, so, you know, I just think women have like the opportunity now and we didn't before, 0.92
01:25:17.080 like we didn't have as much opportunity to, yeah.
01:25:20.020 This is kind of like, uh, I did an episode about this called obsolete.
01:25:22.420 But, uh, um, one of my line of questionings was, um, uh, you know, why are there so many
01:25:28.200 women who say they don't need a man? 1.00
01:25:29.980 And, uh, the women were saying things like, well, now men want to act like women or they
01:25:33.720 want to go 50, 50.
01:25:34.620 And if you want to go 50, 50, then I just don't need you.
01:25:37.140 And so I'll say, okay, well, does the fact that women no longer need men mean that the
01:25:42.260 main reason women were with men was because they had to be. 1.00
01:25:45.260 And if that's true, then wouldn't that prove that men were often seen as a utility to be
01:25:51.140 used and wouldn't men now be better off without women if that's the main reason women would 1.00
01:25:56.360 want to be with men?
01:25:57.680 Yeah.
01:25:57.840 And I think that's true.
01:25:58.920 I think that's what we're finding out is women don't like men as much as we previously
01:26:03.820 thought.
01:26:04.420 I think men, yeah, men are in love.
01:26:07.520 Women are in business. 1.00
01:26:08.460 Yeah.
01:26:09.200 Fortunately.
01:26:10.200 Although a lot of times I don't think, um, I think men sometimes, I don't know if they
01:26:15.420 know or they don't know, but I think a lot of men lie to themselves about how much they
01:26:22.060 like women. 0.99
01:26:23.240 Like, I don't think men really like hanging out with women as men, men, men like, men
01:26:28.280 like sex more than they like women. 0.99
01:26:30.820 I think. 0.78
01:26:31.180 Yeah.
01:26:31.400 That's what I'm like.
01:26:32.180 I don't really think the sexes like each other as much as we thought.
01:26:35.640 I, I, yeah, that's, that's what I've realized as well.
01:26:38.100 And that's the thing is like, you know, when I first started doing this, there were a lot
01:26:40.860 of things that I believed.
01:26:42.520 And then I kind of debunked my own misconceptions.
01:26:45.160 Like I, I, I thought when I first started doing this, well, you know, men and women really
01:26:49.340 want to be together and they really like each other.
01:26:51.280 And women just are confused about what men actually want. 0.99
01:26:55.460 And if we just kind of, you know, get on the same page again, but I don't know.
01:27:00.420 This is why I think it just comes down to, you know, okay.
01:27:04.040 I've asked women, are you more, are women today more interested in love or power?
01:27:08.100 Um, control power.
01:27:11.100 Yeah.
01:27:11.480 Yeah.
01:27:11.940 And, and, you know, how do women get power? 1.00
01:27:15.060 You know, they're interested in controlling the top 10% of men.
01:27:19.840 Like that's the female dream. 0.99
01:27:21.660 Yeah.
01:27:22.100 Like the, you watch scandal, you know, it's like, she wants the president. 1.00
01:27:26.620 She wants to use her sexual power to control the president. 1.00
01:27:30.760 So that's what, that's what I would say.
01:27:33.380 But, but once again, it's like, you know, by trying to, you know, you know, put some type
01:27:39.460 of restrictions on that is misogyny.
01:27:42.620 So it's kind of like, okay, well, you know, our, our culture only seems to know about misogyny,
01:27:49.020 but not misandry.
01:27:49.840 And it's like, well, why aren't they given equal, you know, platforms?
01:27:53.040 Cause at the end of the day, I mean, I think we almost really live in a culture of misandry.
01:27:57.080 I mean, we've got, you know, misandry coming from everybody.
01:28:00.100 You know, we've got it coming from the feminists. 1.00
01:28:02.000 We've got it coming from the women feminists, the male feminists. 1.00
01:28:04.780 We've got it coming from the trad cons, you know?
01:28:07.220 I mean, I think that, that gynocentrism in this romantic model, it's all about female 1.00
01:28:12.080 worship and, and, you know, you're, you know, in order to be seen as a man, in order to
01:28:17.140 qualify as a man, it's all about serving women. 0.96
01:28:19.780 There's this thing I kind of came up with just for my own, you know, knowledge, but I
01:28:25.080 call it the Holy Trinity.
01:28:25.940 Uh, it's basically the idea that women have these three powers. 1.00
01:28:30.900 They have sexual power. 0.99
01:28:34.100 They have victimhood power and they have chivalry power.
01:28:38.580 And those three powers together.
01:28:41.000 That's great.
01:28:42.060 Yeah.
01:28:42.200 Those three powers together are just make them invincible.
01:28:45.820 Yeah.
01:28:46.820 Have you, I was curious, have you had any groupies?
01:28:51.120 You know, um, a couple and it's actually surprising.
01:28:53.800 I, it's, it's funny because I mean, even though I have, you know, a pretty decent following
01:28:57.420 now, um, you know, whenever I'm on the street, I'll, I'll go up to just random people and
01:29:01.760 I'll still say, Hey, will you subscribe to my channel?
01:29:04.300 Not because I necessarily need to, but I feel like, you know, Vegas is a very small town and
01:29:07.620 I want everyone here to know kind of what I'm about and who I am.
01:29:10.540 Um, and I want, uh, to just share this, this, this knowledge, this information with people.
01:29:16.780 Um, and every once in a while, like I'll meet a girl and you know, she might be really cute 0.99
01:29:21.040 and she'll be like, Oh my God, I follow you.
01:29:22.680 And I'm thinking to myself, wow, like that's pretty cool when I have a girl who follows
01:29:27.660 me and actually appreciates what I do because I'll be honest with you.
01:29:32.280 Like one of the reasons why I was very reluctant initially to show my face was because I was
01:29:36.700 afraid of the backlash. I was, I was thinking like, Oh my God, I'm going to be, you know,
01:29:40.520 labeled and canceled or, you know, I mean, I've, I've before I kind of like tempered myself
01:29:46.620 and knew how to ask questions in a way, like you said early on, like I know how to do it
01:29:51.620 in a way where I'm kind of trying to not trigger people. But when I first started, I needed to
01:29:57.540 kind of test the line and see how far I could push things. And I think there's like one bar
01:30:01.620 that I got 86 from because I, you know, I mean, God forbid, you know, some girl feels
01:30:06.420 unsafe or whatever it is. She tells somebody and you're automatically out. You're, you're,
01:30:09.800 you're, you're guilty. Um, and so there's been like maybe one or two instances of that,
01:30:14.640 but I think since then, you know, I, I take it more from a much more inquisitive, like I'm
01:30:19.840 just trying to understand what's going on. And, but I mean, God, it's just, sometimes you're
01:30:24.520 just going to get attacked or just, you know, criticized just for asking questions.
01:30:28.900 What did you do before this? What was your, like, do you still, I met you live off of this,
01:30:34.360 right? You don't, uh, yeah, I live off this, um, like no one could have a day job and do this.
01:30:38.780 Yeah, no, it's no, no, no, it, it, I'll believe it. Like it takes me like two weeks to make an
01:30:44.260 episode, sometimes longer, depending on the weather, cause I'm out in the elements.
01:30:47.580 Well, your stuff is very well edited. Thank you. And you fought you, you really like
01:30:51.620 put like all the best interviews together. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, cause that's the other thing
01:30:56.980 too, is the fact that, um, just to answer your first question, by the way, um, I used to work
01:31:00.640 at a music venue out here. Um, and I also like have done eBay and, uh, you know, buying and selling
01:31:06.460 of collectibles and things like that. Um, so my, my, my family would kind of like have that type of
01:31:11.340 business. Um, so it's always kind of been like, you know, I kind of had jobs where I just kind of
01:31:16.420 work for myself. Um, and that's kind of, but then I, you know, I went to film school and I kind of
01:31:21.540 learned, you know, editing and shooting and things like that. So I'm glad at least I'm using my film
01:31:25.440 school education now. Um, and so, uh, but, but one of the things people also think I have like a team
01:31:31.500 of people, I pretty much do everything myself. I write, edit, you know, uh, and it's, it's a lot
01:31:39.000 of work. And, uh, you know, I think that, you know, if, you know, I try to put shorts out every
01:31:45.160 day, if I could, you know, put out a new episode every day, I would. But like I said, just at the
01:31:49.420 level that I'm at, you know, it's, I want to put out quality, not quantity and stuff. You know what I
01:31:54.540 mean? I don't want to be fast food. I want to, you know, really give people. And sometimes I
01:31:58.460 interview people and they're like, wow, that's a really good question, but I don't want to put out
01:32:01.300 an interview with people just going, uh, I don't know. I don't know. It's a good question. I don't
01:32:05.320 know. Yeah. So, um, yeah, but that's kind of, it just kind of like, like, like if I had to give
01:32:12.920 advice to anyone who was a creator, I would say just start doing it and tweak as you go, because it's
01:32:18.260 an evolving thing. I mean, you're not making the same content you were when you started. So if you just,
01:32:23.780 you know, find something you're passionate about and keep doing it, then, you know,
01:32:27.400 eventually you'll, you'll find yourself along the way. So, um, how do you, like, would you get
01:32:33.120 married in this climate? Well, I mean, not on paper. Um, I think that, uh, I don't think you need to be
01:32:43.740 married. I think that, um, you know, you could just have a, uh, you could just have a relationship
01:32:49.360 with somebody. This is not a, um, common law state, I believe, but, um, I don't know. For some
01:32:55.580 reason, I think that, that in my weird mind, I think that relationships might actually work out
01:33:00.120 better if either, I mean, assuming you don't have children, I'm assuming that if either one of you
01:33:04.440 could leave it either at any time and you stay together, that means more because, you know, love
01:33:10.720 is a choice. And, you know, if you're, you know what I mean? There's nothing keeping you there,
01:33:15.400 but you choose to stay there. That means more, you know, just like, uh, it's funny cause I, I,
01:33:21.000 I post shorts every day and I mentioned to you that today's short was, was about talking to you
01:33:25.600 about love languages from our interview, you know, years ago. And I think that quality time is probably
01:33:30.720 your most important, uh, uh, choice because, um, time is your most precious resource and you make
01:33:39.700 time for what's important. And you know, it's interesting. I had the same, I wrote like when I,
01:33:46.740 I took a break after I left London and I wrote down my conclusions. And that was my conclusion
01:33:51.480 was that the form of marriage we have today is the most superior, not the loveless sexless man,
01:33:58.540 but the people that like, like in a way the women, I don't want to say the men that stay cause men
01:34:04.260 will stay like the, the few people that make it actually do love each other because they actually,
01:34:12.320 they choose to be together where before it might've been religion. It might've been culture. It might've
01:34:16.300 been, they had no other choice where now it's, they both want to. So, um, this is one of my questions
01:34:23.060 I asked in my, at the end of my dowry episode, at what point in history do you think that marriage
01:34:27.300 worked the best? Hmm. At what point in history do I think marriage works the best? I don't know.
01:34:39.500 Um, because I can't say today with the laws. I think you've said that marriage today isn't
01:34:49.380 even married. Yeah. Um, 1700s maybe. I don't know when gynocentrism, I was trying to remember,
01:34:59.000 I can't off the top of my head, remember when gynocentrism, uh, it was interesting because it
01:35:05.020 was medieval times, wasn't it? The last time, like before, when did gynocentrism, when did the
01:35:10.940 romantic model take over? Yeah. Wasn't it like after medieval times? Am I wrong? I could be wrong.
01:35:16.280 I mean, chivalry, you know, and, and medieval knights kind of, you know, I think that kind
01:35:21.360 of goes hand in hand. No, but wasn't that where it started? They wanted to like bow to the women 1.00
01:35:25.460 instead of the knights? Yeah. Yeah. I believe, I believe, I believe that would probably be,
01:35:31.060 but I mean, you know, maybe if we, you know, I don't know, get, get some of our friends on the
01:35:35.260 phone and we can, uh, I wasn't alive in any of those time periods. Well, that's the thing also. And,
01:35:39.480 and, you know, we have to question history and look at, you know, multiple sources. Cause obviously
01:35:43.760 things, you know, might've been rewritten or whatever it is, but, but I don't know. I mean,
01:35:48.220 uh, I was talking to a woman the other day about the dowry and she was saying, well, you know,
01:35:52.460 the whole concept of a dowry, you know, was, you know, that was a rule invented by a man.
01:35:56.760 Everyone's feminists always want to try to dismiss everything as well. A man came up with that. 1.00
01:36:02.160 Who came up with that system? You know, you, have you heard that argument all the time?
01:36:05.600 Um, and I'm saying, well, you know, men can be victims of other men. So just because, you know,
01:36:12.300 men came up with a system that might, you know, punish other men, does that mean that we don't
01:36:17.820 care about then? You know what I mean? Like if women, if women are victims of a, 0.99
01:36:22.140 that's a question because I want to screw this up. It's like, um, you know, can do women oppress 1.00
01:36:28.080 other women or do only men oppress women according to feminists? And, and, and then at the same time, 0.51
01:36:33.100 um, you know, if men oppress other men because men sent other men to war or enslaved other men,
01:36:39.240 do we not care about that? So why, how are we living in a patriarchy if men have oppressed
01:36:44.160 men more than they've ever oppressed women? So. Yeah. I, I've had a, uh, point where I decided I
01:36:52.740 need to stop romanticizing the past cause we really don't know, you know, cause I think at one point I
01:36:58.480 would really romanticize marriage in the past. And then I started reading some accounts and I was
01:37:04.480 like, I don't know if it was what we thought it was. Would you get married? Um, I really don't
01:37:11.640 think if I loved the guy, I'd want to put him in that position to be honest. Um, if he wanted to,
01:37:17.520 I would like, that's yeah. If he wanted to, would you sign a prenup? Yes. I want to sign a prenup for
01:37:27.100 me. Well, that's the thing is, is it really like whenever, you know, whoever's money is on the
01:37:31.460 line, I guess you would say. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I would, you would, you would, I mean, at the very
01:37:39.880 least, but, um, I mean, prenups don't even hold up apparently. So, you know, I guess, what do they
01:37:45.800 say the best, the best prenup is no marriage? Yeah. Do you believe that prenups invalidate
01:37:53.520 the sacrament? No, I don't because it's just smart. I don't, you know, I'm too blackpilled. 0.97
01:38:01.540 I barely like, it just doesn't mean anything anymore. So when did you officially become
01:38:06.340 blackpilled? Cause I'm, I'm assuming when you first started doing this, you weren't. No, I wasn't.
01:38:10.700 I was not. Um, and do you think that, do you think the divorce documentary blackpilled me
01:38:15.120 because I saw women that I would deem as better than me do worse things than I thought I would
01:38:20.500 ever do. So like, I would interview these women and by every account, I'm like, they're better. 0.96
01:38:25.380 Like just, I'm like, um, they're, they're softer than me. They're like, um, they got married younger
01:38:32.180 than I did. They like were more traditional. They were like, by every account, like on paper,
01:38:37.820 I'm like, and I'm like, but you did this awful thing, like God awful. And I'm like, holy shit. 1.00
01:38:44.680 Like, that's when it kind of like clicked for me. I'm like, I'm not seeing a difference 0.98
01:38:48.420 between the behavior of like conservative women and porn stars. Like I'm not seeing any
01:38:53.760 difference. Yeah. And I'm like, oh my, yeah. Well, that's the other thing too. Even, even
01:38:58.900 when I did, uh, this episode, when I was interviewing some of the country girls, the traditional women,
01:39:03.600 I, this viral clip about, I said, you know, as a man, less of a man, if he can't change a flat,
01:39:08.220 change a flat tire, is a woman less of a woman if she can't cook a meal from scratch. 1.00
01:39:13.060 And you're seeing the double standards right there. And it's like, these, these, you know,
01:39:18.180 can literally be undercover feminists. They're just wearing a costume, you know, 1.00
01:39:21.800 can we talk about how, and they love simps. They all love simps.
01:39:25.980 And they just want to do this new trad wife content. I'm like, ladies, can we just talk
01:39:31.660 about how it's, it's kind of a waste of time to make bread. You can go buy it for like $5.
01:39:40.120 Sourdough. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. And do you know what? I have this, I've made bread once,
01:39:44.580 right? Cause I wanted to see. Yeah. And I was like, this isn't as good as the stuff I buy in
01:39:50.060 this door. Maybe I'm just not that good at making it. Right. Well, what's happening with the wife's 0.99
01:39:54.020 school and stuff? I mean, is that part of it? I went, I went through, oh, I did like the wife's
01:39:57.800 school. That was fun. Um, but the, well, I liked it. It was a fun thing, but I just didn't have time
01:40:05.940 to do it, to be honest. Okay. And it was, everyone was just roasting me for doing it. Well, you're
01:40:11.040 working on the divorce documentary and the wife's school. You got a lot of stuff going on. I took on
01:40:14.480 way too many projects that was like, and then I got demonetized. It was like, after I got demonetized,
01:40:19.500 I had to like cut it, but it was fun. I really enjoyed it. I really like cooking. So I wouldn't
01:40:25.460 even like, I just like doing it. I remember asking you this. You're like, you make really
01:40:29.420 mean chicken, right? I do. I like cooking. Like I'm not the best, but I do like doing it. Um,
01:40:35.520 but I do think making bread is a waste of time. And I tried to make a pizza from scratch once and I
01:40:43.100 was like, why didn't I just buy it? So some of the trad wives, they'll like talk and I'm like,
01:40:50.180 just like go to Chipotle. Well, no, not only that, but it's like, you know,
01:40:54.120 with women, yes, it's like, you know, they can go to Chipotle or whatever it is. And for the men,
01:40:58.040 oh, you're not a man. If you can't change a flat tire, well, why not just call AAA? We have
01:41:01.760 modern conveniences now. We can, I mean, even when it talks to, even when we talk about women being, 0.93
01:41:07.460 you know, trad wives, men have invented appliances to make women's lives so much easier. 1.00
01:41:13.460 I know. And we don't have as many kids.
01:41:15.580 Yeah. But what have, what have women invented to make men's lives easier? 1.00
01:41:19.840 Nothing. But my point is like the trad wives, there's no really need for trad wives because 0.75
01:41:25.600 women have to, like, if you, again, I come from 10 kids. Okay. 1.00
01:41:29.920 Not two. And the different, like when there's 10, the, like, you're going to have like the hard part
01:41:37.220 growing up that I would say was the most time consuming was when the kids were, and I'm not a
01:41:42.780 mother. So this is just what I remember. But when the kids were under three, right? So it was like,
01:41:49.100 so it's like for a 10 years, you always have a kid that's under three, but like, you're done
01:41:54.420 in five. So I'm like, we need to make bread. Well, the other, one thing I heard the other
01:42:02.740 day, it's like, if childbirth is the worst pain in the world, you know, why do women continue 1.00
01:42:08.000 having babies? They stopped. And, and, and also, you know, if divorce is such a horrible
01:42:14.620 thing, you know, why would a man ever get remarried? I think it's, you know, the most I'm taken
01:42:26.940 now, but when I was dating that I found the most desperate guys were once divorced where
01:42:33.540 like, they were just like, like, I need a new wife right now. Like it would be like, and 0.99
01:42:39.320 I was like, whoa, you know, like, well, let me get to know you for, you know, and those would
01:42:43.660 be the guys that would just put me on this like crazy pedestal where they're, you know,
01:42:47.640 and, and it would just be like, um, how do I put this? They didn't want the dream to die.
01:42:57.220 And so that's what I find why men got married again is they're still in the trad con like
01:43:02.360 mindset. Right. And they like that ego belief, like they cannot, they they're like, no, no,
01:43:09.920 I just picked one wrong girl. This is not the nature of women. This is not my, my Christian 1.00
01:43:15.720 beliefs. I just, I picked wrong. Yeah. And like, you even heard Crowder say that when
01:43:20.940 he like got one through, oh, I just picked wrong, but it wasn't anything about.
01:43:26.040 So I haven't really followed much up on Crowder, but what, like, what's his current state or what's
01:43:30.840 his current views on the state of marriage?
01:43:32.440 Um, I think he's kind of avoided the topic after, to be honest. Um, I, I haven't, I haven't
01:43:40.280 like, I really would love to do an in-depth interview with him. I've been working on it
01:43:44.100 the last couple of months, so it could happen.
01:43:45.960 Cause you wonder like what would happen if God forbid, you know, any of the other guys
01:43:49.420 at the daily wire, you know, got hit with a divorce.
01:43:52.920 Oh, one of them will. It's just like a numbers game.
01:43:55.840 Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's crazy. And, and, uh, you know, just, and it's weird because
01:44:01.460 it's like, you know, I really enjoy a lot of their content when it comes to certain
01:44:05.540 topics. Uh, it makes a lot of sense, but then as soon as I start talking about men's 0.53
01:44:09.360 issues, they just lose me because it's this, they're just stuck in this 1950s model that
01:44:14.880 just isn't even practical in today's, today's world.
01:44:19.180 Well, and it's playing pretend because I was doing it with this, with the Christian guys, 1.00
01:44:23.860 cause they all want to sell me that they're like, girl is different. Right.
01:44:30.240 And I'm like, okay, what age did you meet her? What was she doing here? Did she go to
01:44:34.580 a cut? Like, and if you look at like, cause I've done spreadsheets, I'm like autistic like 1.00
01:44:39.360 this. I've done like a literal spreadsheet of all the trad con women and the age they got
01:44:43.280 married, how many children they had, what age. Cause there's like two types of marriages 0.98
01:44:47.920 I've found with trad con women. They either wait and push it off or, um, 1.00
01:44:53.860 and then still claim traditional, but like they get like, um, like Charlie Kirk is always
01:44:58.920 saying that he was a virgin on his wedding day. I don't hear that from his wife. I don't
01:45:03.240 know. I don't know if she was, or she wasn't. I just don't hear that. Um, but the, or if
01:45:09.240 they do get married young, it's like a Lauren Chen type marriage where they still wait and
01:45:14.240 it's like, like nobody wants to spend youth on their husbands. Like that's pretty much
01:45:18.320 what it is. Yeah. So, um, basically though, it's like cosplay. Like it's not, it's like
01:45:26.540 everyone's modern, but no one wants to admit it. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. And even, um, I think
01:45:33.360 there was, yeah. Age. Yeah. Even like they all went to college. Oh yeah. There's no difference.
01:45:40.300 The state of marriage right now is, like I said, it's, it's, it's on life support. I
01:45:46.800 don't know if, if there's going to be, uh, any changes if, you know, is it going to take
01:45:51.460 men to really just boycott marriage and say, we're not going to do it under this, under
01:45:55.780 these conditions. That's really going to make any difference. But I mean, the track cons
01:45:59.760 will, will admit that, you know, the divorce it's, it's, they just say, just do it anyway.
01:46:06.600 They'll say, that's where I'm getting it. They'll say, just do it anyway and stuff. And
01:46:09.460 I'm like, I was on, I was just on this show and I, he asked me like, how do men fall for
01:46:15.120 this? And I said, well, earlier in the show, you told me that you were not, um, you did,
01:46:21.500 you don't believe in prenups, but you've seen the nature of women. Like you've seen the 1.00
01:46:25.500 nature of the market, right? So why? Yeah. But, but, but I mean, why are they not the
01:46:32.120 ones fighting the hardest to get these laws changed? Why is it? They're getting paid. 0.83
01:46:36.780 Like they, it's cause they, they have more like, I don't know if you agree with this,
01:46:42.340 but it's like, they have more control over like their money and everything. If women 1.00
01:46:46.740 are making their own. So that if you get like, cause I always divide everything $8, $2. So
01:46:52.380 if I can make $8 off of one market and $2 off of another, why wouldn't I want the women 1.00
01:46:57.260 single? Why wouldn't I want the, like, they need them in their church. They need them. 1.00
01:47:01.520 Like, I bet you the biggest donors to them are either women or men trying to sell to women. 0.90
01:47:07.400 Once again, follow the money. Yeah. Yeah. It's just same old story. But, um, no, I, I, I think
01:47:13.920 that, uh, you know, you see a lot of people just kind of like speaking out of both sides of their
01:47:19.540 mouth, or like I said, you know, they'll, they'll just say, oh, well, feminism's the only problem. 1.00
01:47:23.540 And it's like, no, we have to look at the whole picture here because this is not,
01:47:27.440 you know, people say it took us what a hundred years to get here. And it's going to take us a
01:47:32.460 hundred years to get out of this. And it's like, well, what is the goal here? You know,
01:47:35.940 is the goal to go back to the 1950s? I mean, then, okay, let's take away, you know, 70 years worth of
01:47:42.140 laws. And you know what I mean? Like we can't, we're not going back to traditionalism. I think
01:47:47.840 you've said that and stuff. So it's like, okay, well then does it really make sense to keep men 0.64
01:47:53.120 in a traditional role when women have been liberated? Correct. Yeah. I don't think it
01:47:59.040 does. So, but I think that's kind of like what everyone's pushing for. And I think that,
01:48:04.740 you know, it's like, it's like, well, then we complain that, you know, men are simping and it's 0.76
01:48:08.380 like, well, aren't kind of men kind of pushed into a simp dynamic where it's happy wife, happy,
01:48:14.860 happy wife, happy life is the only thing that's going to keep them, you know, in that, like I said,
01:48:21.260 they're held hostage and stuff. So, yeah. Yeah. Legalize prostitution. I'm with you.
01:48:27.440 I think that's part of it. I think it's a solution. I don't think it's the solution,
01:48:30.680 but I think it probably would at least, you know, maybe, you know, create some,
01:48:35.100 some balance in, in the leverage. So what would you, three solutions, what would they be?
01:48:40.480 So legalize prostitution. Legalize prostitution. I would say definitely there's got to be what,
01:48:45.320 like caps on spousal and, uh, uh, child support. Um, we have to look at the, uh, the sex laws,
01:48:52.960 the consent laws. Um, cause obviously that has nothing to do with masculinity that has everything 0.85
01:48:57.620 to do with just, you know, just, just bias in the system. Um, what else? Uh, I think we need some,
01:49:05.140 you know, some real serious discussions about, you know, like, like, I mean, the episode I'm doing
01:49:11.080 on consent, we need to have some, you know, some serious conversations about what consent actually
01:49:15.540 looks like. Um, what kind of, you know, masculinity means maybe redefine masculinity. Um, and that
01:49:22.420 doesn't necessarily mean that men want to become women. It just means that men want to be liberated
01:49:26.480 from, you know, all these sexist expectations and burdens placed on them that don't really yield them
01:49:33.260 any results that they want anyway. Um, and I think that, uh, you know, maybe just understanding that
01:49:40.840 men are human beings with feelings and we're not just a utility. So. Do you think AI sex bots are 0.57
01:49:49.560 going to change anything? I've asked about that and I think it's interesting. Isn't that an advanced
01:49:54.780 form of corn? Yeah. Cause it's kind of like, you know, I mean, obviously there was a movie with
01:50:01.360 Joaquin Phoenix called Her and it's like, okay, I've seen all these people say, wait until the AI
01:50:06.680 girlfriends come out. We'll just, it's, it's like men and women are trying to engineer each other out of
01:50:10.720 the equation. We don't need women anymore because we can basically get an artificial womb, which is 1.00
01:50:15.560 just an advanced form of a surrogate. I've read articles that maybe they're trying to develop,
01:50:23.860 uh, artificial wombs to grow babies. Do I think that'll happen? 0.99
01:50:29.320 We've already seen things that I never thought were possible. So who knows at this point? Um,
01:50:35.360 IVF kind of solved fertility. You know, it's crazy. So if you hook up with a 20 year old,
01:50:43.100 that's ovulating, what do you think your chance of getting her pregnant is? 1.00
01:50:46.380 50%?
01:50:51.220 25. Okay. So, um, if you do a round of IVF treatments, what is her chance of getting pregnant 0.99
01:51:00.160 from it? Well, I know you have to have, uh, several, uh, multiple procedures and each procedure
01:51:07.120 could be up to like $30,000, I think. Correct. Correct. But remember they're trying to make it
01:51:11.920 free. That's, that's more affordable. They're trying to subsidize IVF. Okay. Um, I'm not saying
01:51:18.860 there are not complications with it. I'm not saying it's good or bad. Right. Um, but what do you think
01:51:23.760 the percent chance of getting pregnant off of IVF is off of one round? Oh my God. That's got, 0.98
01:51:30.440 that's gotta be like 5%. 50. What? 50%. And I had people call into my show talking about their
01:51:39.020 experience and they did like on average two rounds. Okay. So I think that the number of births from IVF
01:51:46.720 is way higher than we think because they've essentially, if you have the money for it,
01:51:52.380 re-engineered fertility where now to be fair, right, it's a lot easier to just have sex when
01:51:58.120 she's ovulating for a year at 20. Yeah. But I still could not believe that it was that high. Like I
01:52:05.120 just, to me, it's insane that essentially if you have money, you've re-engineered fertility. Wow.
01:52:11.540 That was crazy. Um, and I'm, I know there's issues. I know everyone in the chat will say like,
01:52:18.100 oh, well, the babies are autistic. Yeah. I'm not saying it's a perfect system. I'm saying like, 1.00
01:52:22.520 obviously, but they get a kid. Like, I'm like, that's insane. And even at like 40, it's like
01:52:29.520 way higher than I thought. I think it's like 10% or 5%, which I think is insane. Well, yeah,
01:52:34.960 but at that age, you know, the, the risk of geriatric pregnancies. So, I mean, oh, I'm not
01:52:40.960 saying it's like, but even, I even thought like out of a hundred, that 10 will get a kid at 40.
01:52:46.000 That's crazy. Well, like that's, that's crazy. And they're going to keep selling it to us that
01:52:51.160 it's going to be attainable. So there's, I think there's going to be like more moms over 40 than
01:52:56.460 ever in history. Yeah. Um, but obviously for every winner, there's like 10 losers.
01:53:01.800 What about that statistic where they say, you know, by what is it, 20, 40, you know,
01:53:05.960 45% of women are going to be single and childless. So what does it account for that? 0.62
01:53:10.240 Well, I think they're just pushing it off. Like women will keep having kids, 1.00
01:53:14.040 but we're just going to push it older and older. So like the, you know, like Giselle
01:53:18.380 Budachan has convinced all these women that they're going to get pregnant at 42 by a jujitsu instructor.
01:53:25.240 It's kind of, it's kind of crazy though. Cause it's like when women are young and fertile, 1.00
01:53:28.480 they want to have abortions. And then when they start, you know, aging out, 0.58
01:53:32.400 then they want to have IVFs. It's they, we don't want to spend our youth because it's like, okay,
01:53:36.940 if they, it, it's like women, like they're not going to get to go on a yacht in Miami pregnant. 0.99
01:53:46.160 They'll never get the chance. They'll never get the chance to be on that yacht again.
01:53:50.200 So they're, they're trying to maximize, you know, take advantage of all their, you know,
01:53:54.480 opportunity. Yeah. The beauty opportunities. Right. And then get a kid at 42. Yeah.
01:54:02.520 Well, I mean, but that's the thing is that's what technology, you know, technology is all
01:54:06.720 about giving people options. And that's why I'm saying, okay, so if we're going to subsidize IVF
01:54:11.520 for women, why don't we have the government subsidized prostitution for men? I'm with you. 0.98
01:54:17.260 I think they should, but yeah. Why do you think it's, why do you think it's not talked about in the
01:54:21.000 manosphere? I mean, I've, I've asked certain people, um, if that would be a game changer and
01:54:27.080 they said, yes, I think it would. So why is that never looked at as a option? Is it just because
01:54:33.640 it's, it's immoral, it's degenerate or it's perceived that way, even though it was legal in
01:54:39.520 the past? I wonder if it's maybe seen as a shortcut and they think like you should do the work of like
01:54:45.340 approaching 10,000 women or why are we more focused on trying to sell men a dream that most
01:54:53.040 will never achieve instead of actually let's come up with a practical solution that actually
01:54:58.200 makes sense. And as something like, does anybody want to make things easier for men? Or do we,
01:55:04.140 you know what I mean? Like, like who, who is actually, who is actually an ally who's actually
01:55:09.400 trying to help men versus just blame men and say, you don't want to do the work. And you know,
01:55:14.860 men need to step up. I mean, it just seems like, like, you know, if it's, if it's feminists or it's 0.99
01:55:21.380 trad cons or some red pillars are all saying the same thing, what's the difference? It all sounds
01:55:27.740 like feminism to me. Yeah. You need to go on fresh and fit. I would love to hear this conversation 1.00
01:55:33.100 between you two. I think it'd be really interesting. Well, like I said, I mean, you know,
01:55:36.600 there's, there's a lot of things that, that we can agree on, but there's some things we don't agree
01:55:40.980 on and I can respectfully, you know, challenge people if they're open to it, you know?
01:55:46.120 Well, thanks so much for, we're coming on time. So thanks so much for coming on.
01:55:50.220 No, this was great. I appreciate it. Yeah. I really enjoyed having you on. You even,
01:55:53.840 you're like one of the few content creators that really can make me think and like almost
01:55:57.440 stopped me in my track. So I appreciate it. Thank you for that.
01:56:00.920 Do you want to tell the people where they can find you?
01:56:03.020 Yes. Um, so I can be found on YouTube. Uh, it's complicated channel is name. And, uh, basically,
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01:56:26.040 that's why I appreciate this opportunity to kind of show my face and at least get my face and my brand
01:56:30.760 kind of linked up a little bit because people don't really know who I am, but they know my
01:56:34.540 work and they know my voice. So appreciate that. Would you ever do street interviews like sitting 0.78
01:56:39.100 down? I'm, I'm open to trying all different things now, I guess, you know, I mean, I think
01:56:43.300 that maybe my format, you know, was, is, you know, fine, you know, in, in different, uh, scenarios.
01:56:48.640 Oh, you did whatever, right? Yeah, I did that. Um, but you know, I mean, I could go on podcasts.
01:56:54.060 I think that, that for me being on the street, there's certain limitations and I have more
01:57:00.080 opportunities to maybe like dive a little bit deeper into deeper conversations and follow-up
01:57:04.160 questions when I'm on a podcast or in a controlled setting. So I'm, I'm open to it, you know?
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