Pearl - Modern Virgins Are Lying to Men About Purity

00:00:00.000 i pearl i do want to add to that real quick because i am like the top five percent of

00:00:05.440 america and one percent globally i'll tell you what guys they're not doing nothing fantastic

00:00:10.240 for us neither they're just trying to take our money i want to welcome this is shaw to the panel

00:00:17.600 hi pearl thanks for having me again what's going on good to see you glenn hey how you doing in a

00:00:22.560 second we'll have you go through the history you know i've been trying to get a hold of you really

00:00:28.080 but i wanted yeah anytime glenn i'm i like your stuff man and thank you you're able to pass on

00:00:33.520 this cut on this question if you don't want it but have you been virgin how was it uh no not for me

00:00:40.480 you know i didn't start dating till a little later and um the way i date now to be honest it's not

00:00:45.840 really a concern for me i've not really cared so okay cool um doug mpa what was the question

00:00:53.360 um trag cons try to say that a woman saving herself until marriage is supposed to be some

00:01:01.440 kind of predictor of of good behavior or virtue like do you think that there's any truth to that

00:01:08.400 at all no i don't think so i really don't know because do you know what every time i've met a

00:01:13.600 woman that's a virgin like 90 of the time she's a bitch who uses it to like no no okay because

00:01:22.560 because if you're like yeah i'm a whore you kind of got to be nice

00:01:29.360 but like every time i meet okay i've met and the thing is women that are virgins and they want to

00:01:35.680 wait till they're married i did know a girl in high school who did that and she actually was a

00:01:40.240 sweetheart but she was done by 21. she was not if you're that's why i said over a certain age

00:01:46.800 there's something wrong with you you're not about it because girls that are about it she went through

00:01:51.840 school she went to like i'd have to i don't want to dox anybody so she went to a school that i'll just

00:01:58.800 say her type was at it had all the stem majors she was like i am going to marry a doctor she said it

00:02:05.360 she went there she did it housewife but she was done by 21 that's why like when i meet them and

00:02:11.200 they're like 24 i'm like i don't think you're about this like i just i don't think you're i don't

00:02:17.920 think you mean that you know i think you just like the like clout because in a lot of church

00:02:23.280 communities they get clout for like telling everybody that it's like um in the attention economy

00:02:28.960 so i was hoping um shaw you could go through maybe some of the history of marriage because

00:02:35.840 i was kind of curious what did men get in the past versus today um now obviously we can't verify

00:02:42.880 the virginity stuff so i was more curious in terms of like dowry um in terms of women staying like

00:02:50.880 age like what age women married at before like that sort of thing yeah sure i mean it's it's

00:02:56.960 definitely a lot but i'll i'll condense as much as i can and you know what most people today are

00:03:02.080 familiar with goes back to about the 1950s that's what the trad cons are selling and that's what they

00:03:08.000 consider traditional marriage prior to that was the dowry system which we discussed during our sit down

00:03:14.320 and that that was actually here not too long ago i mean it got abolished in france in the 1960s

00:03:20.080 in italy it was in the 1970s in greece and spain it was in the 1980s uh england was kind of the

00:03:26.640 first to push it away and the us after that was following it but but in that system if a woman did

00:03:33.920 not have a dowry she was not able to get married i have a newspaper clipping of the pope handing out

00:03:40.560 dowries um in the 1800s i believe and the women it says in the newspaper clipping would now be able to

00:03:48.160 obtain a husband or have the money to join a convent basically it was up to them at that point

00:03:53.600 so this dowry system was what marriage was in the west um so not just in other places but in the west

00:04:00.400 for a very long time all throughout uh christian europe prior to that in the roman empire and prior

00:04:08.720 to that in ancient greece and it's actually kind of a big clue because the one of the other systems

00:04:13.600 is bride price which you see in the old testament that's the mohar um but if you see an ancient

00:04:19.200 society and they're a dowry paying society you can pretty much guess that they're a lot more advanced

00:04:23.680 because bride price societies are are typically poorer so prior to dowry um societies you had

00:04:30.320 the bride price which is there was a set amount a uniform amount it's not a bidding war there is a

00:04:37.120 uniform amount for how much someone is expected to compensate her family not her but her family in

00:04:44.880 order to marry her so going back prior to dowry we had bride price and nestled within all that is is

00:04:53.600 you know changes in family law divorce and polygyny um tend to be a little higher with uh with bride

00:04:59.840 price paying societies um in early dowry societies that's where monogamy starts to come in but divorce

00:05:07.200 was still really a civil matter there were ways to get divorced and there was divorce laws around that

00:05:13.200 then as christianity takes over and it slowly changes in europe um it becomes no divorce so

00:05:19.360 you only have annulments and things like that going for you know almost 2 000 years all the way up until

00:05:26.560 um industrialization and things starting to change basically and then you get um you know the us which

00:05:35.200 as soon as the american revolution happens they're already pushing back against the church of england and

00:05:39.360 say we want divorce to be a thing we can do and then you start to see this system of at fault divorce

00:05:44.240 being created because they didn't have anything to fall back on because for 2 000 years there was no

00:05:49.280 divorce just annulment then you start to see marriage wrestled away from the church and put into the hands

00:05:55.040 of the state and divorces used to happen in in the state legislature and then it started being taken

00:06:01.040 over by the civil courts and they started coming up with cause which would have been adultery i think that's

00:06:05.920 what it was in new york early on and all these kinds of things now to relate this to virginity a little

00:06:11.680 bit because i know that's what you're talking about the way these different systems of marriage come up

00:06:17.760 is really very much related to um how property it is transmitted throughout society and how the economy

00:06:26.800 works in bride price paying societies this is a long time ago women contributed the major labor

00:06:35.600 value to agriculture okay so the reason you paid the bride price was because her family was losing

00:06:43.840 her labor value and you are giving them a uniform amount because that's going to allow them to

00:06:48.720 procure another woman either for the guy who might have his second wife now or one of the sons in the

00:06:54.320 family who might be getting his first wife and then this creates a circulating fund and it goes around

00:07:00.160 and you got kind of a an exchange there okay and now she's working and her real income which is her

00:07:06.880 labor on the farm is contributing to the household wealth when the plow is invented because these poorer

00:07:12.800 bride price societies used to use uh hoe and digging stick i can even share my screen and show you some of

00:07:18.400 some sources if you like i don't want to complicate it but i do have them here pulled up

00:07:22.640 then what happens is is a lot more wealth starts to be generated and you start to get rich families

00:07:28.240 middle class families lower class families and when that happens there's a lot more concern about

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00:08:44.160 system spring up now the value on virginity and the amount of energy it takes to keep a woman a virgin

00:08:50.880 starts to increase as there's higher stakes for property being transmitted throughout generations

00:08:56.960 so in a bride price paying society having to basically guard her is less of an investment

00:09:03.280 because she's probably going to get married around puberty okay now when the dowry system comes in it

00:09:08.560 pushes back marriage not to like what it is today where people are getting married at 28 or 30

00:09:14.160 but to like 20 you know 18 to like 20 or something like that because it takes time to

00:09:19.360 set up the dowry for her to get married and if you have a and so virginity matters because the statuses

00:09:26.240 of the families are important but beyond that if she gets pregnant by some guy that's not on equal

00:09:31.600 footing with her family you now have a bastard because you don't have genetic tests back then

00:09:36.080 this bastard is going to have a higher trouble of of having any kind of integration with society because

00:09:41.200 how are you going to get this guy married we don't know who the dad is we don't he doesn't have an

00:09:44.480 inheritance request coming to him we can't negotiate this now if it's a daughter we don't know there's

00:09:49.840 not much contribution for a dowry except what her family may already have to give her so guarding her

00:09:56.000 virginity matters a lot because it's going to affect property transmission for this family

00:10:00.400 so there's an incentive to do that now i know this is me probably distilling this down to a lot of

00:10:05.520 just economic and property and money kind of concerns yes yes but you know and then there's

00:10:12.480 the spiritual aspect of this obviously religion plays a role but you know typically religion helps

00:10:17.200 us through these changes in our lives and things like that and so that's kind of where it goes right

00:10:22.880 then we go to this at fault system and at fault is heavily influenced by what's called the love match

00:10:28.320 okay and as you see the dowry system go away you start to see i mean you start to see media coming

00:10:35.040 in you know the printing press came in in the 1400s you started to see tales of romantic chivalry

00:10:41.120 being printed cheaper now than ever and then as this started going on and industrialization and all

00:10:47.040 these things came in it changed women's labor value in terms of what they can do um romantic stories

00:10:53.600 were were really big it's it's becoming part of the psyche but still in a lot of places the dowry

00:10:58.560 system reigns supreme you know even in germany we have data uh from a city in germany where it was

00:11:05.200 required for both parties to register their assets uh prior to the marriage and you can chart this out i

00:11:13.920 have a paper on this too i can show you guys so how do you know that was not just in that specific

00:11:19.120 city like what percent of people did this i'm just curious oh because everybody did this from

00:11:24.720 top to bottom i have we have so many sources on this it's not even funny i mean we have stuff that's

00:11:30.880 contemporaneous with the times we have academic writings about this um so so we know we do know

00:11:37.440 exactly how it worked um and we can point back to it so and look at a ton of examples it was more in

00:11:43.120 the day there was just way more like the whole family money was riding on this on this girl not

00:11:47.920 being a well yeah there was a lot of that because i mean you know if if you ruin your family status

00:11:54.720 they might have other siblings they're trying to get married i mean it would just complicate a lot

00:11:58.800 of things and then you know all of a sudden she's at the tavern one night and we don't know who gave it

00:12:03.680 to her and we can't prove that and then you got you know these mouths to feed over here we don't know

00:12:08.640 who it is um and all this kind of stuff and then you know as we come closer because the question is

00:12:14.720 is marriage worth it um especially from trad or like that you know you'll ask you'll say peril

00:12:20.880 you'll say marriage is a bad deal for men which i 100 agree with especially the way that we do it

00:12:26.720 today and the trad cons will come and try to argue with you about that but we can provably show

00:12:32.480 that marriage is a bad deal for men because there is so much literature i got newspaper clippings i got

00:12:38.560 academic journals that show that people who got married their their wealth levels tended to match

00:12:45.040 and that's how it was it was arranged so the woman always came with this property in a lot of places

00:12:50.960 the dowry was a whole house i mean in italy in england there's a so not only do you not get a house

00:12:57.200 you have to take a girl with a bad credit score like yeah student and you don't even get the free trial

00:13:04.880 right hey hey shot yeah i wanted to ask you about the current situation in china sure how there's so

00:13:15.600 in rural china there's like 19 million more men than women and first off remember pearl how you always

00:13:21.760 say that like rural women will move to the cities a lot of of these women want to move to the cities

00:13:29.440 and to forego that they're charging rural men absorbent amounts of money on average like 19 to 20

00:13:36.800 000 so they'll charge city men cheaper because if they get to marry in the city where the schools are

00:13:43.360 better and stuff so the it's they're not expected to be versions or anything like that it's just out of

00:13:50.080 sheer availability and they're trying to push the government to abolish this whole bride price thing

00:13:56.160 because in certain areas of china it's gotten out of control yeah china is an interesting place

00:14:01.920 historically because it's such a big place i mean you've seen bride price and you've seen dowry

00:14:06.560 systems occur there uh typically for rural areas you would see more of a bride price system and then in

00:14:12.720 certain places where in the cities where there's more urbanization and class differentiation you would

00:14:17.040 see you would see dowry systems um they're in some trouble there because you know they had communism for

00:14:23.040 a bit and with communism coming in that got rid of a need for a lot of bride like these kinds of

00:14:29.200 concerns because it's suddenly government daddy now and it's just it's completely different um you

00:14:34.400 can argue our robust welfare system over here has caused a lot of problems maybe we can talk about

00:14:38.560 that later oh yeah boy but then they had their one child policy and all that which really skewed

00:14:43.840 the population numbers um a lot you know and even in the past um you know i read something i was

00:14:51.280 reading this book from like 100 years ago this isn't just in china but this is also in england and

00:14:56.240 they were looking at england and india uh there was less men and there was more women because uh not

00:15:03.520 only because of wars and things like that but also because the as a baby that's a male's head is a

00:15:08.560 little bit bigger than than a girl's so there was a lot more um infant you know infant mortality with

00:15:15.520 with boys so this would affect the numbers especially going through industrialization and these kinds of

00:15:20.400 things but that's an interesting aside so what they're dealing with over there and i've seen some

00:15:24.320 of those videos i don't know how many of them are true because they're all translated but i believe

00:15:27.840 them for the most part where a lot of guys are having trouble they're either having to leave or

00:15:31.600 get brides from somewhere else but then there's also a lot of leftover women who want so much that

00:15:38.160 they don't get married and that's becoming a phenomena over there too to where it would be especially if

00:15:44.800 they're living in the city uh and and it's it's about status it's about trying to secure a husband

00:15:52.480 that's going to you know have a higher income then they need a dowry system to do that for her and

00:15:57.440 that's the only way you know like there's all these issues because the government have has come in and

00:16:01.760 made all these changes even thailand's another interesting example in that they they paid the bride

00:16:08.400 price over there but they were technically polygynous it was not illegal for a guy to marry a second

00:16:12.880 woman until the 1930s when the king just said we're not doing this anymore we're doing monogamy

00:16:17.840 but they never changed from bride price to dowry so it's kind of you know this weird thing so there's

00:16:22.800 been a lot of like people coming in here and messing up the systems for what what they used to be

00:16:28.000 basically would you say there's a biggest problem and this is that i'm gonna i'm gonna read super

00:16:33.680 chats for one second and we'll welcome sean to the panel so um caesar says this is shaw always has

00:16:39.360 something interesting to say yes he does um doug i didn't know you were such a tyrone i'm not angry

00:16:46.880 just disappointed you should be proud what do you need guys hey thank you for the uh cat super chat

00:16:56.000 uh silveria low body count is loyal they said get her early they said let's ask mxr henry how genie

00:17:03.040 turned out after 10 plus years of success 100k a month income um yeah okay so again my point is not

00:17:13.840 and maybe they're saying i'm contradicting myself but the original deal i thought was men got virgin

00:17:20.320 so i guess that's what it should be but that's not what it is and i just don't see virgins sticking

00:17:25.200 around today um even the ones today it just seems like there's something off but sean let me know what

00:17:31.280 you think on the topic um feel free to add on either that question or so anything else that was

00:17:37.120 said go ahead welcome to the show no a lot wasn't said so i don't know where we at but shout out to

00:17:42.320 everybody shout out to everybody on the screen right now what's going on what's going on so uh go ahead

00:17:49.440 go ahead so we were talking about how um in my experience i always thought that virgin women were

00:17:55.440 more moral or something but usually over a certain age there's just something wrong with them

00:18:01.840 do you agree disagree have you ever taken someone's virginity um and i also made the point that

00:18:09.920 virginity isn't what it used to be um women used to stay now even you can take someone's virginity and

00:18:17.920 they'll be on a flight to dubai the next week you don't know so yeah they're definitely gonna be on

00:18:23.520 that flight to dubai now i'm not gonna say nothing about if i took virginity i plead the fifth on that

00:18:30.160 but what i would say is your assumption that they're good or bad i mean it's quite rare for

00:18:36.080 somebody to have that and if they do have that virginity in this point in time then i don't know

00:18:41.520 you have to really see why they maintain that virginity but you were right earlier in your

00:18:45.920 assumption they're going to probably leverage that in a relationship or leverage that in their dealings

00:18:52.240 in the marketplace i think what was just being said about marriages in china and marriages also in

00:18:59.760 mating in what's it called thailand while i'm here yeah it's crazy you're definitely paying you're paying

00:19:07.920 buffalo gold land girls are raking up on that as far as in china it's very bad in china like i the guys

00:19:16.640 are getting crushed girls actually have mating calculators so they know how much they could

00:19:21.680 equate for work so it's a it's a crazy marketplace and i think things have changed dramatically um one

00:19:28.480 one thing i would say though is in my history of dayton i have received the offer for you could say a

00:19:35.520 dowry but it was going in my direction so the family offered me money to marry their actual daughter

00:19:41.360 so that's extremely rare but i got lucky on that one i still passed but net net

00:19:47.600 it was the interesting situation our family was from sudan so they offered me a massive amounts

00:19:52.560 of funds to manage because majority of the sons in the family were not competent to manage the actual

00:19:59.520 family's portfolio and the father felt like if i was to marry his daughter i would be a good successor

00:20:05.520 and then at the end of the day i was like hey no she could still divorce me and rob me at the end of it

00:20:10.000 so now i'm good and then i just backed out of the deal but yeah it's extremely rare for that to happen

00:20:15.600 yeah glenn what were you gonna say earlier

00:20:21.360 i was gonna say like you know this whole thing it's men appealing to women when really it really

00:20:28.720 needs to be the other way around if you think about it like her virginity is nice it's great

00:20:33.680 cool cute but how does she treat you would it we already know what men could bring to the table we are

00:20:38.720 the protectors providers you know we are the ones that they're going to be taxing on at the end of

00:20:44.000 the day if they decide to leave we know that we are carrying the risk right so if we are carrying the

00:20:49.600 risk of the investment then what are we investing in why are we appealing to the thing that we're

00:20:56.000 trying to invest in when it should be them appealing to you the one that's going to invest in

00:21:01.680 them right so it's like we have this whole thing ass backwards and that's why we're in this situation

00:21:09.120 guys constantly trying to appeal to women trying to you know dance to be the little monkey to try

00:21:14.400 like hey i'm a good catch but you see what the top 20 of them doing they're not even worried about women

00:21:20.640 women are appealing to them that's the mindset that guys need to have instead of this other way around

00:21:26.160 because that's the only way you're going to be able to flip it is reinstate the value system

00:21:30.960 that's different like hey we hold the value you are going to be the addition yeah i agree

00:21:39.200 i pearl i do want to add to that real quick because i am like the top five percent of america and one

00:21:45.360 percent globally i tell you what guys they're not doing nothing fantastic for us neither they're just

00:21:51.360 trying to take our money like i know you guys have dreams that they're like and i'm six six six

00:21:56.800 everything six pack six feet my six figures make seven figures so it's like i still get raked over

00:22:02.800 the coals it's worse though like they charge me a high price and so i think kevin said it the best

00:22:08.480 you're not a high value man you're a high target so at the end of the day i'm just a target right so

00:22:14.960 the coolness is just in my freedom but outside of that when i get into a deal they want the whole barn

00:22:21.040 they want everything so it's not like hey man if i get this money and i become an ultra ninja i'm

00:22:27.840 gonna get girls at my beck and call nah they're just gonna play you that's it and it's worse up here

00:22:34.400 i'm curious how much money were you offered

00:22:38.800 ah well the family estate had somewhere around like 50 million or something

00:22:44.560 it wasn't too bad he done well for himself or immigrant to america

00:22:48.480 oh my gosh did you turn that down yeah i mean i got my own money and then i know what that comes

00:22:55.200 with i'm gonna get divorced and she's gonna take half of it like heck no

00:23:00.400 was she a complete goblin or something

00:23:04.480 nah i mean if i was still on the come i would have took the offer though but i wasn't so wait

00:23:10.160 but couldn't you put her on child support then or alimony she's got the money it would depend on how

00:23:17.360 that deal went down if they invested some of that money into the conjugal fund of that marriage then

00:23:22.240 it would mean something if she split if it's just i'm an heiress for a future date of some of this money

00:23:27.120 then it means nothing now exactly and that was more on the last one yeah can i can i add something just

00:23:34.480 for the the high high value man i you know when i used to work at child support i've read so many

00:23:40.560 divorce orders and divorce judgments that would cross my desk and even before a lot of this content

00:23:45.440 was was out there i had realized that the more a guy was making the the bigger fish he was to fry

00:23:51.600 so when i heard like kevin samuels or coach greg adams use the word um high value target immediately

00:23:57.760 resonated with me because i'm i'm looking at it and this is such a bad deal and this is where

00:24:03.440 you know a lot of the red pill centers around this concept of hypergamy and a lot of times you'll

00:24:08.480 see um they'll say well women are hypergamous it's just their nature but the truth of the matter is is

00:24:13.840 that really both both sides of the equation are looking for the best deal they can get and the

00:24:19.840 dowry system especially in a monogamous society is is what checks hypergamy on either side um there's

00:24:26.160 a really great comment on one of the shorts that you posted of of us from our sit down pearl that

00:24:31.360 described a situation like this but the question i guess i want to ask is you know when i think of

00:24:36.800 a high status man or someone who's doing well how would you get that guy to be monogamous you know

00:24:43.520 like i always think of andrew tate if i had to pitch the deal to andrew tate how would i do that

00:24:50.160 do you guys have a suggestion i'll tell you mine after um i don't think men like that i think he would

00:24:57.920 just find a way around it yeah pros tried to ask multiple people to sell sell marriage it's one of

00:25:03.920 the things on her platform and no one can do it so i'm not going to even try maybe maybe there's

00:25:09.920 some sort of like if i was going to go the dowry route um it would have to be some sort of maybe

00:25:16.320 political influence that's probably what i would maybe wait wait let me add to that because i know

00:25:21.920 where you're getting at yeah for me i would take well that would be the only way i always i often

00:25:28.960 say i don't say i will never get married i would only get married to the the the owner of hawaii he

00:25:35.280 has a daughter i would marry her yeah like that would be the only way i would get married so would

00:25:40.880 it have to be well well yeah well and that's where i'm getting at and there's interesting because

00:25:45.200 because the situation you just described sean i hope if i'm getting your name right is um is what you

00:25:50.880 said was really interesting because after you became well off it became something you cared

00:25:56.880 about less because now you have that and what we tell men nowadays that's at least put out there as

00:26:02.160 common knowledge whether from trad cons or whoever is you have to make it you got to be a good provider

00:26:06.400 you got to you got to get past all these things and make all this money and then a woman's going to

00:26:10.000 want to pair up with you but if nobody helps him in his early days why would he feel that he needs

00:26:16.160 to be monogamous to one woman the dowry system helped these two help the guy get started in his

00:26:22.240 early 20s they said okay his family's a good family he's gonna get a good inheritance he he looks like

00:26:27.520 he's starting off on a good career path he has a good trade let's invest this money get his store open

00:26:32.560 for him get a house set up for him as he grows into this higher status there's no such thing as as

00:26:38.560 leaving because these people they you're invested you're mutually invested in this when someone like

00:26:43.440 andrew tate i always think about it he'd probably still say no but if someone came to him and said

00:26:48.880 uh you know this is my daughter and she's coming with a province in romania and some shipping lanes

00:26:54.480 and they have this much income per year he's gonna have to think about it at least and say should i get

00:26:59.680 rid of my webcam ladies or whatever or should i take this what's going to be a better prospect for

00:27:04.640 my children going forward and he can make that calculation but the point is is it's a negotiation

00:27:09.840 it's a mutual contribution and this is how monogamy became a thing uh in higher complex

00:27:17.600 civilizations and especially the west and why it worked for so long so nowadays because when it

00:27:22.800 comes to virginity if i'm a woman and my parents are leaving me nothing to help me with the marriage

00:27:29.360 or no no bequest i'm out here in the market and i have to essentially play the love match game and rely

00:27:36.240 on beauty um it will be i don't know maybe it's a better idea to start the only fans and get a

00:27:41.600 million dollars like that 18 year old girl that was on twitter recently and i bet i bet she would

00:27:46.720 get more takers like to be honest yeah because because the the families are putting out the daughters

00:27:52.480 as essentially poor women and then they're expecting some some high value you know some high

00:27:58.560 status guy or some guy with potential to take on this deal and then you know fam our family law

00:28:03.520 system is essentially 50 50. people don't like 50 50 they don't want to hear the word 50 50 they

00:28:07.680 say it's a natural but the fact is is our loss 50 50. so you know until they get that changed

00:28:13.360 then i think if guys are going to take the monogamous i'm married to you legally deal

00:28:18.720 they have to demand a contribution until then then they're going to keep doing what they're doing and

00:28:23.120 the women are going to keep not caring about their virginity because virginity is not enough

00:28:27.120 to create monogamy as we're seeing in front of us today well i think also guys need to prepare

00:28:31.840 themselves before even thinking about marriage even if you if you're going to get married if

00:28:35.920 you're married minded then you need to protect your assets and protect your things and there's

00:28:40.080 ways to do that to where they even if you did get married your assets are protected you know do

00:28:46.000 like a trust and llc and you know have irrevocable trust there and you know your mama like like

00:28:52.080 hakimi did

00:28:52.880 the hakimi maneuver where you put it all in your mom's name oh put in your mom's name yeah well i

00:29:01.120 mean in a way yeah but i mean you could put it in a trust like what four did four put everything in

00:29:06.160 a trust before you see what um ronaldo's getting married finally i have to be with that girl i just

00:29:11.840 saw 10 years but guys where is he getting married saudi arabia you think she's gonna be able to get

00:29:19.600 anything from him in saudi arabia wealth is there now you know glenn to your point also sorry to

00:29:27.280 interrupt doug um is um that see that that's where this whole prenup discussion comes from prenups

00:29:33.120 weren't really a thing we had actual marriage contracts prenups are just a way of saying i know

00:29:38.320 i'm taking a hypergamous deal and we're acknowledging this in the front so i want the higher the person

00:29:45.280 that's higher status or higher earner has more net assets wants to create some type of protection

00:29:50.720 in order to take the hypergamous deal right and then when you bring up prenups and our society

00:29:56.480 nowadays you're the bad guy or why are you even bringing that up i think michael knolls told you

00:30:00.240 pearl specifically that he doesn't even even believe in prenups but prior to that i wonder if he believes

00:30:05.680 in dowry you should ask him next time pearl he believes this country i don't know if they'll have

00:30:11.280 me back but i hope they do when we were there we asked him i was like dude are you telling me if

00:30:17.680 your son married a woman who got pregnant by another dude that she knows it wasn't your son's kid yeah

00:30:24.640 would you want him to stay married to her he's like the divorces can't have divorce i was like so you

00:30:29.920 want him to raise come on this other man's child knowing that he was deceived to begin with i remember

00:30:37.680 pearl asking something like that specifically in the conversation um but the other what i'm trying

00:30:42.560 to get at too is that there was a defined marriage contract and the marriage contract listed the

00:30:47.600 assets that both parties were bringing and this was a thing that was discussed prior to the marriage

00:30:53.520 nowadays if you're a guy and you bring this up you're the bad guy you know for bringing this up oh

00:30:57.920 you don't love her or or uh that's not your concern i mean it's your deal to provide you shouldn't

00:31:03.280 be thinking about divorce but for most of human history we have been having that discussion in the

00:31:10.160 form of the marriage contract and it's it's weird because the closest thing we have now is a prenup

00:31:14.560 which forces that discussion somewhat but you know women they're playing that sort of angle basically

00:31:21.600 well they're manipulating like like oh you're just setting yourself up for failure you're you just have

00:31:26.480 one foot out why are you thinking about divorce and here's the thing but oh go ahead doug you see

00:31:32.640 that more and more women are getting taken for a ride and all the women are like oh oh you need

00:31:38.960 to get a prenup girl you need to get mary j blize has to pay her mary j blize's ex kept six million

00:31:45.600 dollars of her money and didn't pay her taxes and then use that to to date and get with another woman

00:31:51.680 and she has to pay him 55 000 a year no a month and alimony right yeah alimony there are more and more

00:32:00.240 instances of this and women are encouraged to get a prenup but still if guys do it we're

00:32:06.000 looked down upon it it's insane but but i would i would offer to the conversation that's their job to do

00:32:12.160 it they're selling a product and they're making great deals for themselves i think men just got bad

00:32:16.720 at making deals for themselves they have suspended their reason and logic in the sexual marketplace

00:32:23.040 and in court team and then i would give you an example do you think julius caesar married the girl

00:32:27.920 at the bread shop because she was sexy absolutely not he made it the concubine exactly right he only

00:32:35.200 married someone who was going to give him social political and economic power that's what marriage

00:32:40.080 was for but at certain point we have this thing called new wealth and so men might get rich by

00:32:45.280 working at google men might get rich by getting a get rich quick scheme or whatever it is but they

00:32:50.800 enter into a new paradigm and then they say well i don't care about money well any man who's very

00:32:56.880 industrialist and ingenious all around in all aspects of life he would look at it on a deal basis and say

00:33:04.240 why would i get married to you now i'll give you something you don't even have to be elon musk

00:33:08.720 if you go to india it used to be a time where you go to india and then a family would say of

00:33:14.720 engineers of lawyers would say you cannot marry that girl she works at mcdonald's our family marries

00:33:22.400 engineers only and so there was an exchange always in the same class and in the same politics across

00:33:30.960 the board we suspended it my brothers are the same way he would always dump teachers he was like too dumb

00:33:37.520 engineering like he literally yeah yeah yeah yeah so we just suspended that though we're just like well i

00:33:43.200 make money so i don't care about it and it's like you always must care about it my brothers do well

00:33:48.320 but they're like that's when i came into the space and they were like i don't care about money

00:33:53.680 i i understand it's not the same but i was like i don't know my brothers they definitely did

00:33:59.600 another kind of um you see instead of actual wealth you you see another kind of marriage now of like

00:34:07.680 social capital so um russell wilson marrying sierra is another thing where russell wilson it it changed

00:34:17.040 his image and kind of verified his blackness because he married sierra who was a single mom into hip-hop and

00:34:22.320 stuff or bezos bezos marrying the super mid uh lauren sanchez the greatest mid of all time 100 that should

00:34:33.360 be studied man but she um 80 i think isn't it 80 to 85 percent of shoppers on amazon or women i guarantee

00:34:41.360 you most of them are between the ages of 30 and 50 and so it gets bezos social capital and it gets him in

00:34:49.680 better with his primary demographic of shoppers if he married you know an attractive single mom

00:34:56.400 etc because do you imagine if bezos would have made some 22 year old hot little russian model

00:35:03.120 or something if they would have skewered him for it yeah you're just like leonardo

00:35:11.520 you brought up a lot of uh salient points there sean i i really agreed with all of that and pearl to

00:35:16.800 your point about men not caring about money it's completely wrong historically men have

00:35:21.680 and that was a major major part of the marriage negotiation um more recently when romance took

00:35:27.440 over and the love match took over and fundamentally romance is the pedestalization of the woman putting

00:35:33.280 the man down here then there's no limit to what her entitlement expects and to what he thinks he

00:35:38.800 should give her then it's i don't care about money the other thing that uh you're talking about sean

00:35:43.440 there's there's two points is um about you know this new money stuff and that was something that

00:35:50.400 was a result of modernization so it became this thing where now you can go to college you can go

00:35:55.360 to school and you could start off from a lower status family and you could have a higher chance

00:35:59.840 of slingshotting yourself and then at this point you might demand a higher dowry and all these things

00:36:05.360 kind of contributed to muddying the waters and people not knowing how to negotiate that with romance

00:36:09.760 taken over was like the perfect storm um but you know i would what's funny now is i look at it now

00:36:15.920 and i look at the cost of thing and you know wages not keeping up with the cost of living and all these

00:36:20.960 kinds of things and we're sort of moving into this era where romance is kind of taking a back seat

00:36:25.280 because we can't afford romance anymore and what we do going forward is probably going to have to

00:36:29.840 be informed from what we did in the past uh and then to your point about concubines it's it's funny

00:36:35.680 use that word because that's something i always mention and i like to say tradcon wives are not

00:36:40.160 they're not real wives they're nothing but concubines because they bring nothing in they

00:36:44.720 expect him to pay for everything and when you look at older sources there are older sources from ancient

00:36:50.320 rome uh and in different places that say the difference between a wife and a concubine is that

00:36:55.360 the wife comes with the dowry that's what puts her into the station like you said about julius

00:37:00.160 caesar or king henry the eighth she would not marry a um you know some woman who's a local

00:37:07.440 tavern wench or whatever worked at you know at the bakery whatever she does the the woman that gets to

00:37:13.520 occupy the queen's seat is bringing in a considerable dowry sometimes the annual income of the entire

00:37:18.640 kingdom for a year like it was in in his case so this you know a lot of times you'll hear this other

00:37:24.480 maxim that you know a man can make a woman a queen and this and that but it's that's just not how it

00:37:28.960 was i guess but it's going to be such a stupid deal everybody's going to be looking at him like

00:37:33.360 we have a dummy for a king we're all going to die this is we need to assassinate this guy something

00:37:37.760 needs we get rid of this guy he's not like we're saying like he's wanting to risk what he has yeah

00:37:43.360 for something that he's not there's not any value wait didn't that guy get stabbed out in game of

00:37:49.520 thrones like that doing some nonsense like that i don't you didn't ever see it oh my god the guy

00:37:55.760 basically did the same thing he was the king he was supposed to leave but he ended up just marrying

00:37:59.920 some girl that was helping people and it messed up his alliance with other people yeah he was

00:38:04.320 supposed to work with so i always just say like when you're having marriage men are hypergamous too

00:38:10.880 they just suspended it exactly like for me that's the same thing i'm saying what benefit do i get i'm

00:38:15.760 a dealer i wheel and deal so at the same time this remote this relationship this is a deal and what is

00:38:23.520 the basis of that deal but guys have suspended that and i would say if you think that's lame

00:38:28.640 then call genghis khan lane call julius caesar the lame but these guys would never sit around

00:38:33.920 in anything watch this pearl guys even took fat wives if they had a higher dowry that's how high

00:38:40.720 pergamos they were i have sources on that girls were like go ahead they're them concubines though so

00:38:47.120 they're like look yeah i gotta go there with this fat one just one time but you know i got these

00:38:50.800 hotties over here though so you know i'm okay yeah that is true it's funny too because you can

00:38:56.640 like you were doing the most masculine men in history have have taken dowries they would not

00:39:01.360 get married and just throw away their marriage like that uh there was someone named alcibiades

00:39:06.000 in in ancient greece and he was a major player in the athens sparta war he was a general he was

00:39:11.680 actually fighting on both sides because he played this game of politics so well and there's a there's a

00:39:16.720 history about him and the basically what happened is is he was bringing too many escorts to the house

00:39:22.800 and his wife got mad and one day she couldn't take anymore and she decided to leave and he had to go

00:39:27.360 over there and pretty much beg for her back because if she left she was taking her dowry back with her

00:39:32.880 and he wasn't going to be able to maintain his household so it's like this guy was the general

00:39:37.120 like he's one of the one of the you know this is a masculine man you can say so we've all been really

00:39:42.560 gaslit and we have this kind of weird collective amnesia especially amongst men

00:39:47.520 uh of understanding how to negotiate marriage and pearl i'm telling you this whole conversation right

00:39:52.400 here is what you gotta lob at the tradcon you know influencers the next time they try to they try to

00:39:59.840 they try to put the level of virtue on their morality you know attached to it when it comes down

00:40:06.000 to it it's like you can be as moral as we want but it doesn't mean the person that you're going to

00:40:10.800 marry is going to be equally immoral as you are yeah and we've seen the court system through the

00:40:16.240 divorce system this that church girl that was you know all good she loved jesus she prayed every sunday

00:40:22.320 she was out there singing she is just as like non-moral as like the the hole on the street that reminds me

00:40:30.400 would you guys take a dowry in the form of only fans money so like the like somebody like 50 million so

00:40:37.760 sophia ray and comes in and she says hey guys do you think that's what her husband did wait wait

00:40:46.160 she says she says i'm a virgin too because she says she's a virgin i don't believe that

00:40:52.720 i'll say this girl i'll say this she's got 50 mil i think or something like that she'll give you

00:40:58.160 access to all of her money if you marry her pearl i'll say this i am open for negotiation i will listen to the

00:41:04.000 terms of the deal i will sit at that table i will i will have the discussion in good full faith and

00:41:10.640 credit you know what about you sean are you open to negotiation yeah i mean you got to hear out every

00:41:18.560 deal so you know money could be converted let's get it gotta sit down then are you open

00:41:26.800 i'll say i'll say they're at 50. we have another panelist and i'm gonna let some other people up

00:41:36.800 uh but thank you guys so much for coming in we have a full back thanks no worries

00:41:40.960 no worries thank you pearl this is a great panel so thanks for coming in

Pearl - August 20, 2025

Modern Virgins Are Lying to Men About Purity

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