Pearl - August 20, 2025
Modern Virgins Are Lying to Men About Purity
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Summary
In this episode, we have a special guest on the panel. We discuss virginity, dowry, and what it means to be a virgin in the modern era, as well as some of the history of marriage.
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i pearl i do want to add to that real quick because i am like the top five percent of
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america and one percent globally i'll tell you what guys they're not doing nothing fantastic
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for us neither they're just trying to take our money i want to welcome this is shaw to the panel
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hi pearl thanks for having me again what's going on good to see you glenn hey how you doing in a
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second we'll have you go through the history you know i've been trying to get a hold of you really
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but i wanted yeah anytime glenn i'm i like your stuff man and thank you you're able to pass on
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this cut on this question if you don't want it but have you been virgin how was it uh no not for me
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you know i didn't start dating till a little later and um the way i date now to be honest it's not
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really a concern for me i've not really cared so okay cool um doug mpa what was the question
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um trag cons try to say that a woman saving herself until marriage is supposed to be some
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kind of predictor of of good behavior or virtue like do you think that there's any truth to that
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at all no i don't think so i really don't know because do you know what every time i've met a
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woman that's a virgin like 90 of the time she's a bitch who uses it to like no no okay because
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because if you're like yeah i'm a whore you kind of got to be nice
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but like every time i meet okay i've met and the thing is women that are virgins and they want to
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wait till they're married i did know a girl in high school who did that and she actually was a
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sweetheart but she was done by 21. she was not if you're that's why i said over a certain age
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there's something wrong with you you're not about it because girls that are about it she went through
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school she went to like i'd have to i don't want to dox anybody so she went to a school that i'll just
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say her type was at it had all the stem majors she was like i am going to marry a doctor she said it
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she went there she did it housewife but she was done by 21 that's why like when i meet them and
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they're like 24 i'm like i don't think you're about this like i just i don't think you're i don't
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think you mean that you know i think you just like the like clout because in a lot of church
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communities they get clout for like telling everybody that it's like um in the attention economy
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so i was hoping um shaw you could go through maybe some of the history of marriage because
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i was kind of curious what did men get in the past versus today um now obviously we can't verify
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the virginity stuff so i was more curious in terms of like dowry um in terms of women staying like
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age like what age women married at before like that sort of thing yeah sure i mean it's it's
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definitely a lot but i'll i'll condense as much as i can and you know what most people today are
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familiar with goes back to about the 1950s that's what the trad cons are selling and that's what they
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consider traditional marriage prior to that was the dowry system which we discussed during our sit down
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and that that was actually here not too long ago i mean it got abolished in france in the 1960s
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in italy it was in the 1970s in greece and spain it was in the 1980s uh england was kind of the
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first to push it away and the us after that was following it but but in that system if a woman did
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not have a dowry she was not able to get married i have a newspaper clipping of the pope handing out
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dowries um in the 1800s i believe and the women it says in the newspaper clipping would now be able to
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obtain a husband or have the money to join a convent basically it was up to them at that point
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so this dowry system was what marriage was in the west um so not just in other places but in the west
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for a very long time all throughout uh christian europe prior to that in the roman empire and prior
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to that in ancient greece and it's actually kind of a big clue because the one of the other systems
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is bride price which you see in the old testament that's the mohar um but if you see an ancient
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society and they're a dowry paying society you can pretty much guess that they're a lot more advanced
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because bride price societies are are typically poorer so prior to dowry um societies you had
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the bride price which is there was a set amount a uniform amount it's not a bidding war there is a
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uniform amount for how much someone is expected to compensate her family not her but her family in
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order to marry her so going back prior to dowry we had bride price and nestled within all that is is
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you know changes in family law divorce and polygyny um tend to be a little higher with uh with bride
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price paying societies um in early dowry societies that's where monogamy starts to come in but divorce
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was still really a civil matter there were ways to get divorced and there was divorce laws around that
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then as christianity takes over and it slowly changes in europe um it becomes no divorce so
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you only have annulments and things like that going for you know almost 2 000 years all the way up until
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um industrialization and things starting to change basically and then you get um you know the us which
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as soon as the american revolution happens they're already pushing back against the church of england and
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say we want divorce to be a thing we can do and then you start to see this system of at fault divorce
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being created because they didn't have anything to fall back on because for 2 000 years there was no
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divorce just annulment then you start to see marriage wrestled away from the church and put into the hands
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of the state and divorces used to happen in in the state legislature and then it started being taken
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over by the civil courts and they started coming up with cause which would have been adultery i think that's
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what it was in new york early on and all these kinds of things now to relate this to virginity a little
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bit because i know that's what you're talking about the way these different systems of marriage come up
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is really very much related to um how property it is transmitted throughout society and how the economy
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works in bride price paying societies this is a long time ago women contributed the major labor
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value to agriculture okay so the reason you paid the bride price was because her family was losing
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her labor value and you are giving them a uniform amount because that's going to allow them to
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procure another woman either for the guy who might have his second wife now or one of the sons in the
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family who might be getting his first wife and then this creates a circulating fund and it goes around
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and you got kind of a an exchange there okay and now she's working and her real income which is her
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labor on the farm is contributing to the household wealth when the plow is invented because these poorer
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bride price societies used to use uh hoe and digging stick i can even share my screen and show you some of
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some sources if you like i don't want to complicate it but i do have them here pulled up
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then what happens is is a lot more wealth starts to be generated and you start to get rich families
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middle class families lower class families and when that happens there's a lot more concern about
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system spring up now the value on virginity and the amount of energy it takes to keep a woman a virgin
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starts to increase as there's higher stakes for property being transmitted throughout generations
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so in a bride price paying society having to basically guard her is less of an investment
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because she's probably going to get married around puberty okay now when the dowry system comes in it
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pushes back marriage not to like what it is today where people are getting married at 28 or 30
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but to like 20 you know 18 to like 20 or something like that because it takes time to
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set up the dowry for her to get married and if you have a and so virginity matters because the statuses
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of the families are important but beyond that if she gets pregnant by some guy that's not on equal
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footing with her family you now have a bastard because you don't have genetic tests back then
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this bastard is going to have a higher trouble of of having any kind of integration with society because
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how are you going to get this guy married we don't know who the dad is we don't he doesn't have an
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inheritance request coming to him we can't negotiate this now if it's a daughter we don't know there's
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not much contribution for a dowry except what her family may already have to give her so guarding her
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virginity matters a lot because it's going to affect property transmission for this family
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so there's an incentive to do that now i know this is me probably distilling this down to a lot of
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just economic and property and money kind of concerns yes yes but you know and then there's
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the spiritual aspect of this obviously religion plays a role but you know typically religion helps
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us through these changes in our lives and things like that and so that's kind of where it goes right
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then we go to this at fault system and at fault is heavily influenced by what's called the love match
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okay and as you see the dowry system go away you start to see i mean you start to see media coming
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in you know the printing press came in in the 1400s you started to see tales of romantic chivalry
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being printed cheaper now than ever and then as this started going on and industrialization and all
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these things came in it changed women's labor value in terms of what they can do um romantic stories
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were were really big it's it's becoming part of the psyche but still in a lot of places the dowry
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system reigns supreme you know even in germany we have data uh from a city in germany where it was
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required for both parties to register their assets uh prior to the marriage and you can chart this out i
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have a paper on this too i can show you guys so how do you know that was not just in that specific
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city like what percent of people did this i'm just curious oh because everybody did this from
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top to bottom i have we have so many sources on this it's not even funny i mean we have stuff that's
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contemporaneous with the times we have academic writings about this um so so we know we do know
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exactly how it worked um and we can point back to it so and look at a ton of examples it was more in
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the day there was just way more like the whole family money was riding on this on this girl not
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being a well yeah there was a lot of that because i mean you know if if you ruin your family status
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they might have other siblings they're trying to get married i mean it would just complicate a lot
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of things and then you know all of a sudden she's at the tavern one night and we don't know who gave it
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to her and we can't prove that and then you got you know these mouths to feed over here we don't know
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who it is um and all this kind of stuff and then you know as we come closer because the question is
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is marriage worth it um especially from trad or like that you know you'll ask you'll say peril
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you'll say marriage is a bad deal for men which i 100 agree with especially the way that we do it
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today and the trad cons will come and try to argue with you about that but we can provably show
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that marriage is a bad deal for men because there is so much literature i got newspaper clippings i got
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academic journals that show that people who got married their their wealth levels tended to match
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and that's how it was it was arranged so the woman always came with this property in a lot of places
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the dowry was a whole house i mean in italy in england there's a so not only do you not get a house
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you have to take a girl with a bad credit score like yeah student and you don't even get the free trial
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right hey hey shot yeah i wanted to ask you about the current situation in china sure how there's so
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in rural china there's like 19 million more men than women and first off remember pearl how you always
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say that like rural women will move to the cities a lot of of these women want to move to the cities
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and to forego that they're charging rural men absorbent amounts of money on average like 19 to 20
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000 so they'll charge city men cheaper because if they get to marry in the city where the schools are
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better and stuff so the it's they're not expected to be versions or anything like that it's just out of
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sheer availability and they're trying to push the government to abolish this whole bride price thing
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because in certain areas of china it's gotten out of control yeah china is an interesting place
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historically because it's such a big place i mean you've seen bride price and you've seen dowry
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systems occur there uh typically for rural areas you would see more of a bride price system and then in
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certain places where in the cities where there's more urbanization and class differentiation you would
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see you would see dowry systems um they're in some trouble there because you know they had communism for
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a bit and with communism coming in that got rid of a need for a lot of bride like these kinds of
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concerns because it's suddenly government daddy now and it's just it's completely different um you
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can argue our robust welfare system over here has caused a lot of problems maybe we can talk about
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that later oh yeah boy but then they had their one child policy and all that which really skewed
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the population numbers um a lot you know and even in the past um you know i read something i was
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reading this book from like 100 years ago this isn't just in china but this is also in england and
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they were looking at england and india uh there was less men and there was more women because uh not
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only because of wars and things like that but also because the as a baby that's a male's head is a
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little bit bigger than than a girl's so there was a lot more um infant you know infant mortality with
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with boys so this would affect the numbers especially going through industrialization and these kinds of
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things but that's an interesting aside so what they're dealing with over there and i've seen some
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of those videos i don't know how many of them are true because they're all translated but i believe
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them for the most part where a lot of guys are having trouble they're either having to leave or
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get brides from somewhere else but then there's also a lot of leftover women who want so much that
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they don't get married and that's becoming a phenomena over there too to where it would be especially if
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they're living in the city uh and and it's it's about status it's about trying to secure a husband
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that's going to you know have a higher income then they need a dowry system to do that for her and
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that's the only way you know like there's all these issues because the government have has come in and
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made all these changes even thailand's another interesting example in that they they paid the bride
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price over there but they were technically polygynous it was not illegal for a guy to marry a second
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woman until the 1930s when the king just said we're not doing this anymore we're doing monogamy
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but they never changed from bride price to dowry so it's kind of you know this weird thing so there's
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been a lot of like people coming in here and messing up the systems for what what they used to be
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basically would you say there's a biggest problem and this is that i'm gonna i'm gonna read super
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chats for one second and we'll welcome sean to the panel so um caesar says this is shaw always has
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something interesting to say yes he does um doug i didn't know you were such a tyrone i'm not angry
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just disappointed you should be proud what do you need guys hey thank you for the uh cat super chat
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uh silveria low body count is loyal they said get her early they said let's ask mxr henry how genie
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turned out after 10 plus years of success 100k a month income um yeah okay so again my point is not
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and maybe they're saying i'm contradicting myself but the original deal i thought was men got virgin
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so i guess that's what it should be but that's not what it is and i just don't see virgins sticking
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around today um even the ones today it just seems like there's something off but sean let me know what
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you think on the topic um feel free to add on either that question or so anything else that was
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said go ahead welcome to the show no a lot wasn't said so i don't know where we at but shout out to
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everybody shout out to everybody on the screen right now what's going on what's going on so uh go ahead
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go ahead so we were talking about how um in my experience i always thought that virgin women were
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more moral or something but usually over a certain age there's just something wrong with them
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do you agree disagree have you ever taken someone's virginity um and i also made the point that
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virginity isn't what it used to be um women used to stay now even you can take someone's virginity and
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they'll be on a flight to dubai the next week you don't know so yeah they're definitely gonna be on
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that flight to dubai now i'm not gonna say nothing about if i took virginity i plead the fifth on that
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but what i would say is your assumption that they're good or bad i mean it's quite rare for
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somebody to have that and if they do have that virginity in this point in time then i don't know
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you have to really see why they maintain that virginity but you were right earlier in your
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assumption they're going to probably leverage that in a relationship or leverage that in their dealings
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in the marketplace i think what was just being said about marriages in china and marriages also in
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mating in what's it called thailand while i'm here yeah it's crazy you're definitely paying you're paying
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buffalo gold land girls are raking up on that as far as in china it's very bad in china like i the guys
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are getting crushed girls actually have mating calculators so they know how much they could
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equate for work so it's a it's a crazy marketplace and i think things have changed dramatically um one
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one thing i would say though is in my history of dayton i have received the offer for you could say a
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dowry but it was going in my direction so the family offered me money to marry their actual daughter
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so that's extremely rare but i got lucky on that one i still passed but net net
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it was the interesting situation our family was from sudan so they offered me a massive amounts
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of funds to manage because majority of the sons in the family were not competent to manage the actual
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family's portfolio and the father felt like if i was to marry his daughter i would be a good successor
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and then at the end of the day i was like hey no she could still divorce me and rob me at the end of it
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so now i'm good and then i just backed out of the deal but yeah it's extremely rare for that to happen
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i was gonna say like you know this whole thing it's men appealing to women when really it really
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needs to be the other way around if you think about it like her virginity is nice it's great
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cool cute but how does she treat you would it we already know what men could bring to the table we are
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the protectors providers you know we are the ones that they're going to be taxing on at the end of
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the day if they decide to leave we know that we are carrying the risk right so if we are carrying the
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risk of the investment then what are we investing in why are we appealing to the thing that we're
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trying to invest in when it should be them appealing to you the one that's going to invest in
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them right so it's like we have this whole thing ass backwards and that's why we're in this situation
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guys constantly trying to appeal to women trying to you know dance to be the little monkey to try
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like hey i'm a good catch but you see what the top 20 of them doing they're not even worried about women
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women are appealing to them that's the mindset that guys need to have instead of this other way around
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because that's the only way you're going to be able to flip it is reinstate the value system
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that's different like hey we hold the value you are going to be the addition yeah i agree
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i pearl i do want to add to that real quick because i am like the top five percent of america and one
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percent globally i tell you what guys they're not doing nothing fantastic for us neither they're just
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trying to take our money like i know you guys have dreams that they're like and i'm six six six
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everything six pack six feet my six figures make seven figures so it's like i still get raked over
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the coals it's worse though like they charge me a high price and so i think kevin said it the best
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you're not a high value man you're a high target so at the end of the day i'm just a target right so
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the coolness is just in my freedom but outside of that when i get into a deal they want the whole barn
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they want everything so it's not like hey man if i get this money and i become an ultra ninja i'm
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gonna get girls at my beck and call nah they're just gonna play you that's it and it's worse up here
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ah well the family estate had somewhere around like 50 million or something
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it wasn't too bad he done well for himself or immigrant to america
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oh my gosh did you turn that down yeah i mean i got my own money and then i know what that comes
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with i'm gonna get divorced and she's gonna take half of it like heck no
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nah i mean if i was still on the come i would have took the offer though but i wasn't so wait
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but couldn't you put her on child support then or alimony she's got the money it would depend on how
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that deal went down if they invested some of that money into the conjugal fund of that marriage then
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it would mean something if she split if it's just i'm an heiress for a future date of some of this money
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then it means nothing now exactly and that was more on the last one yeah can i can i add something just
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for the the high high value man i you know when i used to work at child support i've read so many
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divorce orders and divorce judgments that would cross my desk and even before a lot of this content
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was was out there i had realized that the more a guy was making the the bigger fish he was to fry
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so when i heard like kevin samuels or coach greg adams use the word um high value target immediately
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resonated with me because i'm i'm looking at it and this is such a bad deal and this is where
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you know a lot of the red pill centers around this concept of hypergamy and a lot of times you'll
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see um they'll say well women are hypergamous it's just their nature but the truth of the matter is is
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that really both both sides of the equation are looking for the best deal they can get and the
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dowry system especially in a monogamous society is is what checks hypergamy on either side um there's
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a really great comment on one of the shorts that you posted of of us from our sit down pearl that
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described a situation like this but the question i guess i want to ask is you know when i think of
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a high status man or someone who's doing well how would you get that guy to be monogamous you know
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like i always think of andrew tate if i had to pitch the deal to andrew tate how would i do that
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do you guys have a suggestion i'll tell you mine after um i don't think men like that i think he would
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just find a way around it yeah pros tried to ask multiple people to sell sell marriage it's one of
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the things on her platform and no one can do it so i'm not going to even try maybe maybe there's
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some sort of like if i was going to go the dowry route um it would have to be some sort of maybe
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political influence that's probably what i would maybe wait wait let me add to that because i know
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where you're getting at yeah for me i would take well that would be the only way i always i often
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say i don't say i will never get married i would only get married to the the the owner of hawaii he
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has a daughter i would marry her yeah like that would be the only way i would get married so would
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it have to be well well yeah well and that's where i'm getting at and there's interesting because
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because the situation you just described sean i hope if i'm getting your name right is um is what you
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said was really interesting because after you became well off it became something you cared
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about less because now you have that and what we tell men nowadays that's at least put out there as
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common knowledge whether from trad cons or whoever is you have to make it you got to be a good provider
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you got to you got to get past all these things and make all this money and then a woman's going to
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want to pair up with you but if nobody helps him in his early days why would he feel that he needs
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to be monogamous to one woman the dowry system helped these two help the guy get started in his
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early 20s they said okay his family's a good family he's gonna get a good inheritance he he looks like
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he's starting off on a good career path he has a good trade let's invest this money get his store open
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for him get a house set up for him as he grows into this higher status there's no such thing as as
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leaving because these people they you're invested you're mutually invested in this when someone like
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andrew tate i always think about it he'd probably still say no but if someone came to him and said
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uh you know this is my daughter and she's coming with a province in romania and some shipping lanes
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and they have this much income per year he's gonna have to think about it at least and say should i get
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rid of my webcam ladies or whatever or should i take this what's going to be a better prospect for
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my children going forward and he can make that calculation but the point is is it's a negotiation
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it's a mutual contribution and this is how monogamy became a thing uh in higher complex
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civilizations and especially the west and why it worked for so long so nowadays because when it
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comes to virginity if i'm a woman and my parents are leaving me nothing to help me with the marriage
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or no no bequest i'm out here in the market and i have to essentially play the love match game and rely
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on beauty um it will be i don't know maybe it's a better idea to start the only fans and get a
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million dollars like that 18 year old girl that was on twitter recently and i bet i bet she would
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get more takers like to be honest yeah because because the the families are putting out the daughters
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as essentially poor women and then they're expecting some some high value you know some high
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status guy or some guy with potential to take on this deal and then you know fam our family law
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system is essentially 50 50. people don't like 50 50 they don't want to hear the word 50 50 they
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say it's a natural but the fact is is our loss 50 50. so you know until they get that changed
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then i think if guys are going to take the monogamous i'm married to you legally deal
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they have to demand a contribution until then then they're going to keep doing what they're doing and
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the women are going to keep not caring about their virginity because virginity is not enough
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to create monogamy as we're seeing in front of us today well i think also guys need to prepare
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themselves before even thinking about marriage even if you if you're going to get married if
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you're married minded then you need to protect your assets and protect your things and there's
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ways to do that to where they even if you did get married your assets are protected you know do
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like a trust and llc and you know have irrevocable trust there and you know your mama like like
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the hakimi maneuver where you put it all in your mom's name oh put in your mom's name yeah well i
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mean in a way yeah but i mean you could put it in a trust like what four did four put everything in
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a trust before you see what um ronaldo's getting married finally i have to be with that girl i just
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saw 10 years but guys where is he getting married saudi arabia you think she's gonna be able to get
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anything from him in saudi arabia wealth is there now you know glenn to your point also sorry to
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interrupt doug um is um that see that that's where this whole prenup discussion comes from prenups
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weren't really a thing we had actual marriage contracts prenups are just a way of saying i know
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i'm taking a hypergamous deal and we're acknowledging this in the front so i want the higher the person
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that's higher status or higher earner has more net assets wants to create some type of protection
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in order to take the hypergamous deal right and then when you bring up prenups and our society
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nowadays you're the bad guy or why are you even bringing that up i think michael knolls told you
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pearl specifically that he doesn't even even believe in prenups but prior to that i wonder if he believes
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in dowry you should ask him next time pearl he believes this country i don't know if they'll have
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me back but i hope they do when we were there we asked him i was like dude are you telling me if
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your son married a woman who got pregnant by another dude that she knows it wasn't your son's kid yeah
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would you want him to stay married to her he's like the divorces can't have divorce i was like so you
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want him to raise come on this other man's child knowing that he was deceived to begin with i remember
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pearl asking something like that specifically in the conversation um but the other what i'm trying
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to get at too is that there was a defined marriage contract and the marriage contract listed the
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assets that both parties were bringing and this was a thing that was discussed prior to the marriage
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nowadays if you're a guy and you bring this up you're the bad guy you know for bringing this up oh
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you don't love her or or uh that's not your concern i mean it's your deal to provide you shouldn't
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be thinking about divorce but for most of human history we have been having that discussion in the
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form of the marriage contract and it's it's weird because the closest thing we have now is a prenup
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which forces that discussion somewhat but you know women they're playing that sort of angle basically
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well they're manipulating like like oh you're just setting yourself up for failure you're you just have
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one foot out why are you thinking about divorce and here's the thing but oh go ahead doug you see
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that more and more women are getting taken for a ride and all the women are like oh oh you need
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to get a prenup girl you need to get mary j blize has to pay her mary j blize's ex kept six million
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dollars of her money and didn't pay her taxes and then use that to to date and get with another woman
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and she has to pay him 55 000 a year no a month and alimony right yeah alimony there are more and more
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instances of this and women are encouraged to get a prenup but still if guys do it we're
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looked down upon it it's insane but but i would i would offer to the conversation that's their job to do
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it they're selling a product and they're making great deals for themselves i think men just got bad
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at making deals for themselves they have suspended their reason and logic in the sexual marketplace
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and in court team and then i would give you an example do you think julius caesar married the girl
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at the bread shop because she was sexy absolutely not he made it the concubine exactly right he only
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married someone who was going to give him social political and economic power that's what marriage
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was for but at certain point we have this thing called new wealth and so men might get rich by
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working at google men might get rich by getting a get rich quick scheme or whatever it is but they
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enter into a new paradigm and then they say well i don't care about money well any man who's very
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industrialist and ingenious all around in all aspects of life he would look at it on a deal basis and say
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why would i get married to you now i'll give you something you don't even have to be elon musk
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if you go to india it used to be a time where you go to india and then a family would say of
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engineers of lawyers would say you cannot marry that girl she works at mcdonald's our family marries
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engineers only and so there was an exchange always in the same class and in the same politics across
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the board we suspended it my brothers are the same way he would always dump teachers he was like too dumb
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engineering like he literally yeah yeah yeah yeah so we just suspended that though we're just like well i
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make money so i don't care about it and it's like you always must care about it my brothers do well
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but they're like that's when i came into the space and they were like i don't care about money
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i i understand it's not the same but i was like i don't know my brothers they definitely did
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another kind of um you see instead of actual wealth you you see another kind of marriage now of like
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social capital so um russell wilson marrying sierra is another thing where russell wilson it it changed
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his image and kind of verified his blackness because he married sierra who was a single mom into hip-hop and
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stuff or bezos bezos marrying the super mid uh lauren sanchez the greatest mid of all time 100 that should
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be studied man but she um 80 i think isn't it 80 to 85 percent of shoppers on amazon or women i guarantee
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you most of them are between the ages of 30 and 50 and so it gets bezos social capital and it gets him in
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better with his primary demographic of shoppers if he married you know an attractive single mom
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etc because do you imagine if bezos would have made some 22 year old hot little russian model
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or something if they would have skewered him for it yeah you're just like leonardo
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you brought up a lot of uh salient points there sean i i really agreed with all of that and pearl to
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your point about men not caring about money it's completely wrong historically men have
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and that was a major major part of the marriage negotiation um more recently when romance took
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over and the love match took over and fundamentally romance is the pedestalization of the woman putting
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the man down here then there's no limit to what her entitlement expects and to what he thinks he
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should give her then it's i don't care about money the other thing that uh you're talking about sean
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there's there's two points is um about you know this new money stuff and that was something that
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was a result of modernization so it became this thing where now you can go to college you can go
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to school and you could start off from a lower status family and you could have a higher chance
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of slingshotting yourself and then at this point you might demand a higher dowry and all these things
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kind of contributed to muddying the waters and people not knowing how to negotiate that with romance
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taken over was like the perfect storm um but you know i would what's funny now is i look at it now
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and i look at the cost of thing and you know wages not keeping up with the cost of living and all these
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kinds of things and we're sort of moving into this era where romance is kind of taking a back seat
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because we can't afford romance anymore and what we do going forward is probably going to have to
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be informed from what we did in the past uh and then to your point about concubines it's it's funny
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use that word because that's something i always mention and i like to say tradcon wives are not
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they're not real wives they're nothing but concubines because they bring nothing in they
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expect him to pay for everything and when you look at older sources there are older sources from ancient
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rome uh and in different places that say the difference between a wife and a concubine is that
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the wife comes with the dowry that's what puts her into the station like you said about julius
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caesar or king henry the eighth she would not marry a um you know some woman who's a local
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tavern wench or whatever worked at you know at the bakery whatever she does the the woman that gets to
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occupy the queen's seat is bringing in a considerable dowry sometimes the annual income of the entire
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kingdom for a year like it was in in his case so this you know a lot of times you'll hear this other
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maxim that you know a man can make a woman a queen and this and that but it's that's just not how it
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was i guess but it's going to be such a stupid deal everybody's going to be looking at him like
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we have a dummy for a king we're all going to die this is we need to assassinate this guy something
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needs we get rid of this guy he's not like we're saying like he's wanting to risk what he has yeah
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for something that he's not there's not any value wait didn't that guy get stabbed out in game of
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thrones like that doing some nonsense like that i don't you didn't ever see it oh my god the guy
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basically did the same thing he was the king he was supposed to leave but he ended up just marrying
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some girl that was helping people and it messed up his alliance with other people yeah he was
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supposed to work with so i always just say like when you're having marriage men are hypergamous too
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they just suspended it exactly like for me that's the same thing i'm saying what benefit do i get i'm
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a dealer i wheel and deal so at the same time this remote this relationship this is a deal and what is
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the basis of that deal but guys have suspended that and i would say if you think that's lame
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then call genghis khan lane call julius caesar the lame but these guys would never sit around
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in anything watch this pearl guys even took fat wives if they had a higher dowry that's how high
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pergamos they were i have sources on that girls were like go ahead they're them concubines though so
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they're like look yeah i gotta go there with this fat one just one time but you know i got these
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hotties over here though so you know i'm okay yeah that is true it's funny too because you can
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like you were doing the most masculine men in history have have taken dowries they would not
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get married and just throw away their marriage like that uh there was someone named alcibiades
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in in ancient greece and he was a major player in the athens sparta war he was a general he was
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actually fighting on both sides because he played this game of politics so well and there's a there's a
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history about him and the basically what happened is is he was bringing too many escorts to the house
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and his wife got mad and one day she couldn't take anymore and she decided to leave and he had to go
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over there and pretty much beg for her back because if she left she was taking her dowry back with her
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and he wasn't going to be able to maintain his household so it's like this guy was the general
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like he's one of the one of the you know this is a masculine man you can say so we've all been really
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gaslit and we have this kind of weird collective amnesia especially amongst men
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uh of understanding how to negotiate marriage and pearl i'm telling you this whole conversation right
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here is what you gotta lob at the tradcon you know influencers the next time they try to they try to
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they try to put the level of virtue on their morality you know attached to it when it comes down
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to it it's like you can be as moral as we want but it doesn't mean the person that you're going to
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marry is going to be equally immoral as you are yeah and we've seen the court system through the
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divorce system this that church girl that was you know all good she loved jesus she prayed every sunday
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she was out there singing she is just as like non-moral as like the the hole on the street that reminds me
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would you guys take a dowry in the form of only fans money so like the like somebody like 50 million so
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sophia ray and comes in and she says hey guys do you think that's what her husband did wait wait
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she says she says i'm a virgin too because she says she's a virgin i don't believe that
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i'll say this girl i'll say this she's got 50 mil i think or something like that she'll give you
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access to all of her money if you marry her pearl i'll say this i am open for negotiation i will listen to the
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terms of the deal i will sit at that table i will i will have the discussion in good full faith and
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credit you know what about you sean are you open to negotiation yeah i mean you got to hear out every
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deal so you know money could be converted let's get it gotta sit down then are you open
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i'll say i'll say they're at 50. we have another panelist and i'm gonna let some other people up
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uh but thank you guys so much for coming in we have a full back thanks no worries
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no worries thank you pearl this is a great panel so thanks for coming in