Pearl - Mourning Can Be Used For Political and Personal Gain

00:00:00.720 men find a workaround for everything you guys are so funny okay you know do you think there's a

00:00:06.320 right uh do you think there's a right and a wrong way to mourn and what are your thoughts

00:00:12.400 on the marketing campaign hey how's it going pearl um you know i think people are mourning

00:00:20.800 differently too you know we're we're looking at um things from a different perspective now

00:00:29.760 you know these people that have been on social media their whole life um you know comparing

00:00:41.440 um kirk's wife to jackie onassa's is kind of a long stretch but i i think you know these people

00:00:52.000 seek attention right so we're in in this dystopian time where we're looking at things and it's kind

00:01:03.600 of unbelievable to see from um a common sense point of view or you know we're looking at people that

00:01:12.880 a lot of people are feeling you know relating are relating to but

00:01:18.080 the average person can't really relate to charlie kirk you know so it's um some delusion there i

00:01:27.120 think sure um they can't no keep going keep going yeah and the campaign you know just um obviously

00:01:37.280 it's very thought out right there's a woman grieving and there's a person with the camera it's very

00:01:43.920 very performative and um calculated you know um i i don't really know how to take it you know everybody

00:01:55.200 does you know it's cliche but everybody does grieve differently and when there's a spotlight around and

00:02:02.720 cameras and um followers and i i think people can't really be genuine you know and and someone that

00:02:15.360 has lived in the shadows of a celebrity husband probably is very hard to relate to for the average

00:02:24.240 person i would imagine so yeah i feel so weird so yeah um i agree i i agree thank you for calling in

00:02:35.920 calling anytime okay hey yeah we'll see you next time bye so next we got hannibal all right hannibal

00:02:46.000 you know you don't have to do all that you could just turn the camera off

00:02:48.960 yeah well you said you wanted a camera on so here we are well i mean i do give preference but

00:02:55.520 it kind of defeats the purpose when you have a ski mask on there you go so sorry men find a workaround

00:03:05.520 for everything you guys are so funny okay you know it so there's a psychological mechanism inside

00:03:13.040 everybody that when we lose control over a situation we try to do all that we can to regain control over

00:03:21.760 a situation so to some people that might be in charlie's case right he had this whole like mission

00:03:29.920 statement and everything so to regain control over a situation of trying to figure out that okay he's gone

00:03:36.720 um that would be continuing his mission to someone else that might just be

00:03:43.200 going out and just hiking in the woods for three days because they're essentially doing the same

00:03:49.440 thing you're regaining control of a situation in that you're alone he's gone type of thing

00:03:55.120 it and so whatever it is there's it's just to a certain extent it's just grasping at straws so

00:04:01.280 okay so you don't find it performative but you think it's just the way that they're trying to regain

00:04:07.200 control of the situation by continuing his mission because they're losing control by losing the guy in charge

00:04:13.440 maybe not even regain control over the situation but regain control over their perception of the

00:04:19.520 situation yeah that's my guess yeah no that's a really good point of view um do you have anything

00:04:26.480 else you want to add on it that's i appreciate the differing uh point of view so i think it's really

00:04:31.680 good that's what i got all right cool you're i can't the ski mask is cracking me up i won't like

00:04:40.560 gotta do what you gotta do all right thanks hilarious

00:04:44.320 he's like i will get to the front of the line camera off

00:04:52.640 although in this way i can't see so i actually don't know but

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00:05:51.840 i think next month we're actually gonna figure out something with the divorce documentary

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00:06:03.280 um because we have we have got enough money to get started on the documentary not to finish it but

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00:08:35.440 all right jeff i need you to turn off the youtube in the background

00:08:40.000 and how's it going so very good today we're talking about is there a right or wrong way to grieve

00:08:46.160 and what did you think of the marketing campaign after charlie kirk's death uh yeah so um i have a

00:08:52.240 background as a chaplain and uh i'm a professional at helping people grieve so we've had the best

00:08:58.880 calls today i think these are the best calls i've ever had go ahead go ahead i was like what a what a

00:09:03.600 perfect person to call in go ahead so uh in terms of wrong um it's pretty hard to achieve a wrong state

00:09:11.840 but i would say that uh the wrong state is um where it comes into conflict with other people's

00:09:18.000 ability to grieve as as they see fit so it's basically kind of like a it's a a gray barrier i

00:09:27.200 guess so it really depends on uh the background of people you're dealing with but in terms of like uh

00:09:34.080 kind of like out there things there in terms like if you look across the world and like how people grieve

00:09:40.400 um there's all kinds of uh ways that that goes down and a lot of it would be uh cringe to western

00:09:51.200 audiences so there's still people that are like you know like the mayans for example will dig up their

00:09:57.600 family's skulls and uh have meals with them once a year things like that um in terms of uh what we saw

00:10:05.120 with charlie and the viewing of the body uh the significance of viewing a body in a funeral is that

00:10:16.240 it gives you the experience that their death is a reality it takes people a while to really integrate

00:10:26.000 the death of someone and uh charlie of course was a public figure so this uh grieving process is a

00:10:33.920 public process so i i do agree with it um i'm i'm glad she didn't show his face um i think the hands were

00:10:43.520 okay so what do you have you ever seen anything in your line of work where you thought it maybe it

00:10:51.520 wasn't okay but you maybe thought it was too attention seeking or too like was there ever a

00:10:56.720 time where you worked at a funeral and you just thought it kind of was totally like a little bit

00:11:03.440 too far for you um well i think the last funeral i was at um was for a christian uh friend a college

00:11:14.800 friend and um uh one of the people got up and and just used the moment to preach kind of fire and

00:11:22.720 brimstone get your life right and you know get with god and it was basically had questionable relation

00:11:30.800 to anything uh about the deceased so it was kind of like very much a you know an ad post for for jesus

00:11:39.280 uh so yeah it was a bit cringe on that you know let it slide i have an uncle who would do that yeah

00:11:47.680 but but yeah it's the thing because it's such a sensitive time no one's gonna no one's gonna say

00:11:52.960 anything yeah what what are the biggest differences you've seen uh in the way that men grieve and

00:12:02.400 their spouse dying and the way that women grieve when their spouse has died or has died what's the

00:12:08.800 difference um if men well when if and when men break they break a lot harder than women do like

00:12:24.480 women just kind of like they start a sob and it kind of like it's kind of like a like a soft wave

00:12:31.040 and men it's like cataclysm when they when they gotta stop and like like the whole world stops for them

00:12:37.760 basically so it's kind of i don't know i'd say men are more dramatic sometimes when they're

00:12:44.160 when they're really truly emotionally grieving okay cool great is it god oh yeah i did have one more

00:12:54.160 thing uh well so what we all witnessed um essentially i'm worried that uh that what we had was a mass trauma

00:13:05.920 event because people all witnessed what happened to charlie and my concern is that we're going to have a

00:13:14.640 mass uh psychological uh traumatic event or development of uh acute and uh long-term traumas for the people

00:13:26.720 who witnessed that both there and even uh just through media because so many people interacted with

00:13:36.480 this content and you know you make some kind of a connection there so when you have this uh visceral

00:13:45.280 experience of someone dying that's very easy gonna very easily gonna uh create a significant amount of

00:13:53.280 people who are going to have this trauma that's going to endure and so uh yeah it's gonna be uh

00:14:03.440 it's gonna be a real issue how do you think that'll play out like and you know so people have this

00:14:09.680 trauma but what what will happen um

00:14:13.440 um well people i mean just i mean as we've already noticed like people are more volatile right now

00:14:24.640 so they're more uh they're more likely to react or act out um as a result of this

00:14:33.840 okay so you're saying they'll be like they might do crazy things basically in retaliation

00:14:40.160 uh yeah and for the people who experience what's called like acute trauma um they might to start to

00:14:49.760 develop symptoms that become um intrusive like basically they begin to limit your ability to function

00:15:01.680 because you're um you'll find yourself caught in a state of dissociation

00:15:07.920 where you're trying to where you're basically like in a caught state of freezing

00:15:14.400 and so that freezing like it what happens like if like say between so ptsd takes like at least

00:15:22.320 six months like it takes between three to six months to develop in a permanent way um but in that first

00:15:29.200 three months it's uh it's more of acute but what's happening is that that there's kind of a feedback loop

00:15:38.400 where like your reptilian brain is hyperactive and so it's rest it's recognizing stress as trauma

00:15:46.720 or uh stressors as like life-threatening or potentially life-threatening so it's like a miss

00:15:53.120 a misreading or mischaracterization of stressors as uh as life-threatening uh issues so that's what i

00:16:02.720 mean like people are potentially going to be more volatile wow good point um yeah i never really thought

00:16:11.440 of that thanks for calling in yeah my pleasure um i yeah i don't mean to plug myself but i i will be

00:16:19.760 making content for it uh to address the to address the drama okay cool uh what's your channel

00:16:27.520 uh it's buddhist priest buddhist priest all right thank you d williams make sure the youtube isn't

00:16:33.840 playing in the background um so what are your thoughts on the topic is there a right or wrong

00:16:40.160 way to grieve and what did you think of the marketing campaign hey cory hello hey so can you

00:16:47.520 hear me there he is there you go hey we in there yeah so what do you think of the topic is there a

00:16:54.400 right and a wrong way to grieve and what did you think of the marketing campaign um so the grieving

00:17:01.440 situation is a little strange for me i will say when i first seen that video and with her like

00:17:07.760 kissing the hands i thought that was strange um now i have seen strange behavior at funerals before

00:17:14.960 um i've seen my little sister uh it was it was my mom who passed away but she was like she showed up in

00:17:23.120 a veil she showed up in a veil to the funeral and i just made it a lot more dramatic than any of her

00:17:33.440 other children which you know i am one of um and so i have seen people have just kind of bizarre reactions

00:17:42.000 that are not exactly like they're you know obviously my little sister didn't have a campaign

00:17:50.400 going on for my mother it was just this natural reaction she had to it and it was bizarre to me

00:17:59.040 it actually frustrated me um so when i think about that i do look at her situation and understand that

00:18:07.040 like she is as you know if the most traumatized out of this out of anyone um so maybe that's why it

00:18:16.400 seems a little weird but then there's also the dynamic that she is trying to help step into the

00:18:24.560 role that he played in turning point and i wonder if she is you know if there is some political

00:18:32.160 motivation there obviously it's going to have some political effect um so it's it's awkward it's hard

00:18:40.160 there's a lot of factors that apply to why anything's the way it is so it's hard to put your finger on

00:18:45.600 one reason why that was the way it was um i don't think that it for the most part was uh

00:18:55.280 completely politically motivated there's just so much trauma involved in what she's going through

00:18:59.840 right now that i think um it's that's the biggest factor that applies to why she's

00:19:06.560 moving in any sort of way so you think the biggest she's really traumatized so she's

00:19:13.280 kind of doing this whole campaign as a way to cope well when you call it a campaign is that like the

00:19:19.680 words you're putting on it or is that the words they're putting on it well it's a market like i mean

00:19:25.440 when you send emails and texts for donations over a death it's a marketing campaign okay yeah so like

00:19:32.000 i would just say it's a marketing campaign well have you seen the people who are trying to um

00:19:39.360 it's pretty deep conspiracy stuff but i've seen people trying to paint uh maybe there's some sort

00:19:46.320 of prophecy involved in this where apparently like a a woman it takes takes the reins on like uh

00:19:54.960 uh what's the words for it it's um like she will lead the world out of this out of these evil ways

00:20:04.160 um some people i've heard people make the relation there that like she

00:20:10.400 could be the the woman of this like and i've never even heard of the prophecy or whatever this

00:20:15.440 thing they were referring to i mean i just women in charge of things just always leads to destruction

00:20:20.960 so if she is if she's in charge of it which i don't know it could just be like um well not

00:20:26.880 necessarily in charge but like lead the way as far as the face of it because of the movement because

00:20:33.600 you know somebody's looking at it from that that that dynamic probably not her at this moment but

00:20:38.320 they would love for her to ride this wave and i mean she could be the public person but running an

00:20:45.680 organization that i mean that's difficult and pretty much impossible for women to do

00:20:52.400 big organizations like that i mean usually if they do it there's a man doing the work

00:20:58.320 uh yeah um i mean i'm i'm not i'm not here to to to really draw that line in the sand um because i

00:21:07.600 don't i don't i don't really associate to like that you know i'm a woman can't get the job done i i

00:21:14.720 don't yeah i don't especially feel that way that a woman couldn't get the job done i think as long

00:21:19.520 as your heart's in the right place that that you can get the job done um anybody can and so i don't

00:21:26.400 even they are i don't think most men can i mean that i mean that's a tough job do you know what i'm

00:21:31.440 saying like like that's that's my my point is she's not like qualified anyway she's a mom which is which

00:21:38.080 is cool but like that's very different from running like an organization with hundreds of people

00:21:44.720 yeah and honestly the critical period is going to be the next eight to ten months yeah if she sets

00:21:49.840 out ahead of this and takes his place you're gonna find out in eight to ten months like i don't know

00:21:56.480 i saw a lot of people criticizing that i think ben shapiro might take over um but i just thought

00:22:02.480 he might be that he's probably one of the only few that are qualified that can do it

Pearl - September 17, 2025

Mourning Can Be Used For Political and Personal Gain - Is It Happening Now？

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