00:01:45.000thank you thank you i know i know i know
00:01:55.000topic i know i should drop an album i should shouldn't i you're right how did you guys know
00:02:03.800how did you know thank you thank you you know every day i wake up and i think well
00:02:10.040all right. So a little, I just kind of wanted to shit talk a little bit, tell you guys about my
00:02:17.480life. Is that cool? This is going to have nothing to do with the topic. We'll get into the topic,
00:02:21.460but this has nothing to do with the topic. I like to kind of, I like to kind of spitball
00:02:26.740some thoughts I have. Okay. I like to kind of, so the first thing is that I really want an N word
00:02:38.240pass. Okay. And I think I talked about this last year. I really would like, I'd like to say,
00:02:44.000what's up my, you know, and I really, I'm requesting from the blacks, I'm requesting an
00:02:50.060N word pass. And the reason I want an N word pass, it's not because in my life, you know,
00:02:57.040like I joke, but I don't have a real reason to be dropping the N word. Um, I think I maybe say
00:03:03.840the F word a little bit too much, but like, it's not like something I crave, you know,
00:03:10.060but I just like to feel included. Sue me. I don't like feeling left out. You know,
00:03:21.040it's kind of like that party that you weren't going to go to anyway. The invite is nice. You
00:03:26.460know? I want to say, I want to be able to say N-word in Paris without a care, you know?
00:03:39.960And okay, I'm a little racist, but okay, just because I'm racist, that doesn't mean I hate
00:03:45.080black people. I think we need to differentiate people that hate black people and racists.
00:03:50.160racists notice a pattern and that pattern is very stark but i have no hatred in fact some of my
00:03:58.560best friends are black you know what i mean but they don't like it when white people say that
00:04:04.100they're like well you can't that doesn't you could still be a racist and it's like well
00:04:07.420i think i am a racist but can i be a racist with black friends
00:04:11.240i mean i'll even date interracially like i mean what racist white girls love black guys
00:04:19.080so i just think that i just like to feel included you know i don't know i don't like being left out
00:04:28.440it's just like you guys get to say it why don't why don't i get to say it you know
00:04:32.720i woke up early this morning i like the crack of dawn
00:04:39.280i woke up at like 5 a.m and it wasn't because i had anything to go to i just um
00:04:47.180not last night, but the night before I was on my phone too late. Sometimes I get on Instagram
00:04:53.320reels and I'll be up to like one or two in the morning. So it's like, it was my own fault,
00:05:00.720but I fell asleep at like nine. So 10, 11, 12, one, two, three, four, five. You know,
00:05:05.480if I wake up at five, that's eight hours of sleep and I'm like up. So,
00:05:09.800um, my man, it was his birthday today. It's his birthday.
00:05:17.180I don't know if I'm supposed to. I'll just say I made banana bread this morning and I'm like, okay. So I go to the store. I go to the store and, um, sorry. And all the stores are closed. And I'm like, okay. So I walk to Walgreens. I get my banana bread ingredients. I make banana bread for breakfast. Some coffee. I know it's not the most healthy, but you know, there were some ripe bananas. What are you going to do?
00:05:44.120so um i get my my stuff i make my banana bread and i'm walking outside and it's like pitch black
00:05:54.440like the sun is not up the only people that are up are the homeless people
00:51:06.900If you can save 60 grand, get you a kid.
00:51:10.820i am for surrogacy i'm for it i think more men should do it so become wealthy that's yeah well
00:51:18.880but that's that but you see what i'm saying like this creates a massive problem most men are not
00:51:23.920going to become wealthy people are not going to become more if you're not successful then then
00:51:29.120you have to follow the masses this is this is why so many guys get destroyed because the because
00:51:35.320the game is rigged against them the the population has no real fair way to navigate relationships and
00:51:45.080children consecutively yeah but you create here's the problem that you have here with this analogy
00:51:51.240the first is when you appeal to an anecdote if i were to give you a similar anecdote oh i know a
00:51:56.360lot of guys who do that and doesn't work out for them you wouldn't believe me because that doesn't
00:52:00.040tell us anything. That's one. No, but I would ask for more specific examples. I would say, okay,
00:52:06.300who? Because liars, like people that say know a person, like, okay, if you said to me, I said,
00:52:12.660marriage is a bad deal for men, right? And I said, one of the worst divorces I ever saw was at the
00:52:17.920same church as Michael Knowles. And they said, that's an anecdote. You're lying. And I would
00:52:21.460say, no, this was a guy who was in his mid thirties. He met a girl at an Orthodox church
00:52:27.680or in a traditional latin mass church and she was from eastern europe and she stole his kid
00:52:33.560brought it back to europe like i could go into detail about this couple um even if i wanted to
00:52:39.160be a little bit more broad i could still offer specific details um more like people that are
00:52:49.220lying they tend to be more broad right they can't come up with i mean there's some psychopaths out
00:52:54.440there but you know and the second problem here is one thing about marriage that's useful for us is
00:53:02.360being able to track divorce that's really easy because it all goes on that yeah we got lots of
00:53:08.200data on divorce and the statistics around it yeah and the problem that you have here is that you're
00:53:13.560saying well men are getting destroyed because of how many of these uh you know marriages and
00:53:19.000divorce but that's actually only true of some groups some groups that your risk of uh divorce
00:53:25.560is very very small it's very tiny it's a tiny it's it's well within what i would consider
00:53:31.160again what is the difference in risk for divorce for people that are christians versus non-christians
00:53:36.680it depends on which type of christian we're talking about your nominal christian you're on
00:53:41.480these stats aren't good i mean i can't remember the if ands or buts of why they're not good because
00:53:47.720god it was i i don't know how these people like remember every little detail but um
00:54:00.200oh my god i can't even remember i did a video on it though it's like i'll do a video on it and i'll
00:54:04.680still forget why because it's just not that interesting to me you know it's just not par
00:54:10.360with the national average if you're a devout catholic or devout orthodox it's down to 12
00:54:16.040percent to 18 percent versus 40 percent 12 i mean that's still like one in ten
00:54:24.36012 versus 40. that's a huge like we're talking about now well within acceptable risk if it's
00:54:30.520the case that five to ten percent of people who ever have it but i would have to ask what
00:54:36.200what do they dictate as a failure because do they include the men that don't get laid
00:54:46.040you know so come alcoholics right you wouldn't say that that's so much risk that you should
00:54:54.840never have a drink like that's within what i would consider acceptable barriers of risk
00:54:59.300you're now part of an 80 to 90 percent of success rates rather than you only view it as 10 to 12
00:55:06.480percent failure rate i view it as an 80 to 90 success rate
00:55:10.840no but just because you're together that doesn't mean it's a successful marriage and
00:55:17.500i just know them personally so i'm like how do you guys not see this
00:55:21.360i mean we we've talked about how many and i'm not maybe i don't know but like i'm like
00:55:27.620but personally people we know that like like brother cook it doesn't even matter if they're
00:55:35.260still like okay i have a friend her mom completely turned the kids against the dad they figured that
00:55:41.760out when they're older but she's like psychotic and fat i mean is that successful they're still
00:55:47.180married you know they'll have way too many variables when it comes to marriage even if you
00:55:52.520are a christian when it comes to the churches the pastors that you're dealing with who she is you
00:56:00.380know as far as a woman before you marry her the fact that women always reserve the right to change
00:56:04.700your mind at any given time about you later on down the road we've seen many many religious
00:56:08.860people get divorced and get absolutely fucking cleaned out sure but why don't the numbers then
00:56:13.600reflect it within the individualistic i don't know i haven't collected the data but i mean
00:56:17.720some of the data as well that i've talked about you can look at you can look at the data say that
00:56:23.260the earth is warming when we all know that's not happening yeah yeah but but hang on there's a big
00:56:28.180difference between people producing warming models which are vastly hypothetical and predictive
00:56:36.260versus gathering data which is established because we just have raw numbers of how many people are
00:56:40.980divorced within which category which group i mean the vast majority of models they try to point to
00:56:46.500statistics that are as accurate as possible but well i mean we have we have accurate records of
00:56:51.460how many islamis have been divorced man that's not hard to gather that's not hard data to figure out
00:56:57.300and so that's the case or hindu type of religion since the divorce rate's lower or for i agree
00:57:04.260yeah actually i agree what i'm looking for is what is the things inside of these religious models
00:57:11.540that's keeping the divorce rate so low compared to the average and i think that that's what's
00:57:15.540left out of the nuance of the discussion tell us well here's what's going on and again well-studied
00:57:21.860phenomenon is that but it's just i don't know i wish andrew there's some things that just are not
00:57:29.020in your depth like and they're not in my depth either right like i don't really care how many
00:57:35.340studies and how many debates i went i will never be as knowledgeable as the people on the ground
00:57:41.740and the experts in the field i just won't i won't i will never be able to talk about men's issues
00:57:47.460the way that a man, I mean, it's why I openly acknowledge that there's a lot of men that know
00:57:51.800the material better than me. And I point you guys to them because like, it's just true, you know,
00:58:03.880and the men that like work with and coach men, they just have way better insights. You know,
00:58:10.180whenever I want to know about a trend in the dating marketplace, I literally go to my friend
00:58:14.220who's just, like, he's just a professional woman banger. Like, he just, and I just ask him,
00:58:19.300have you seen SSRIs in women's, like, things? Do you see this? Do you see that? And he can give me
00:58:24.600such good insights into the marketplace. That's way better than a study. Subject matter experts
00:58:29.280are better than studies. And in my opinion, you cannot become a subject matter expert.
00:58:37.240um like we're so like like andrew is a subject matter expert on debating right and maybe like
00:58:44.140on on certain parts of history you know but you're just never going to compare to the boots on the
00:58:49.520ground ever you know so religion operates on a support network so you end up having people who
00:58:58.860have shared like-minded value structures especially for your wife well that's a big thing
00:59:03.780Because if women are hanging out with like divorcees and they're hanging out with promiscuous women and things like that, they tend to often follow suit based on those social pressures.
01:04:22.640of the family that they're supposed to work through marital issues rather than get divorced
01:04:28.820and it's just a different society like people don't i mean again i know somebody that's from
01:04:34.900that type of mass and like all of the kids moved away you're not in these like tight-knit
01:04:43.400communities anymore it's just not the same thing they all moved to the cities including for the
01:04:47.960sake of the kids that's why so when people say america is mostly a christian country it's actually
01:04:53.480not factually true it's mostly a nominal christian country it is true that like 65 or 70 percent of
01:05:00.200people will identify as being a christian but when you look at their behaviors in society they act
01:05:05.520no different than a secularist non-christian they don't go to church they don't participate
01:05:09.740in sacraments they don't take their religion very seriously it's called like cultural christianity
01:05:14.820But nominal Christianity is fine, too.
01:05:17.360All right. Well, I mean, since Jake invited me to do this conversation slash debate with you, I was listening to any YouTube conversation you had with anybody, you know, James Sexton, Coach Greg Adams.
01:05:32.760There's been a few other ones where you've had these conversations and you've changed your story in some of those conversations.
01:05:38.420I don't know if you've updated your beliefs, but I've heard you say in the past that the vast majority of America is Christian.
01:05:44.820but now yeah but now hang on saying that they're not nominal nominal christian okay so this is new
01:05:51.980so now this is a new model you're saying well it's not it's not a new model what we're doing
01:05:56.720so well i mean there's recordings out there when we're talking about specificity by the way i
01:06:00.940reserve the right to update my worldview based on new information at all times right so whether or
01:06:08.180yeah so if i've never if i've ever said before uh you know the united states is mostly a christian
01:06:17.700nation but didn't put in the caveat of nominal it's actually irrelevant right i do think that
01:06:25.060that it's it is the case that most people identify the majority of people identify as being christian
01:06:31.060but i'm trying to figure out what that means right so yeah so what i was going to get to
01:06:35.300is this i mean you know if america is a christian country or nominal christian country you know
01:06:39.620let's call it it's past laws and legislation that aren't aligned with the religion and it's created
01:06:47.380an environment that's hostile to its christian you know participants agreed so what's the solution to
01:06:55.140that andrew well the solution to this from a political standpoint is going to be likely the
01:07:02.020push for mass marriage reform which would look now well it would look like exactly what you're
01:07:07.380talking about in kentucky where you start with grounding localized laws which will do things
01:07:13.380like immediate custody disbursement between both couples things like this the groundswell
01:07:19.140of traditionalism which is moving back into the mainstream especially from the right wing is now
01:07:24.980beginning to make more demands like this and they have more access to the legislators to do this
01:07:30.100that's step one but in the interim time we have we have to have some way in which children are
01:07:35.780still being produced and men don't lose hope because all hope is lost you're going to be part
01:07:40.820yeah but i don't sell hope like i don't think it's a bad thing to lose hope it's kind of freeing now
01:07:46.100like i've just kind of it's it's i don't know how to put it there's this
01:07:50.340freedom that just happens when you lose hope
01:07:53.300there's a freedom like you just feel so free it's like yep the world's going to shit let's let's
01:08:04.260party everybody pearl calls going church christians were self-righteous pious unlikable
01:08:10.480hippo i mean i didn't say that but i guess if you're going to take the least charitable way
01:08:14.780to say it yet they have lower divorce rates well again but that doesn't mean they have better
01:08:20.860marriages baby mamas and baby daddies they have a lifelong bond a bond stronger than most husbands
01:08:29.260and wives you know um yeah because it's kind of like you know like if you accept my wife is
01:08:44.020probably going to cheat on me if you accept that then now you don't have to worry about it
01:08:53.200you know and just know women are women aren't that good of liars so yeah hold on i'm gonna go
01:08:59.400get the delivery i was talking to you about but i'm gonna make the screen i'm gonna make the
01:09:03.380screen full and play it for a little bit part of this 40 statistic or 50 statistic and you're
01:09:09.660screwed. That's actually not the case. The case is, is that individually, if we break down various
01:09:16.360groupings of the types of people who are getting divorced, some groups are at way higher risk than
01:09:21.700other groups. And that's factually true. And if you're a part of a group that has a very low risk
01:09:26.260of divorce, it suddenly becomes much more attractive to men to do. And they're less
01:09:30.860likely actually to get destroyed in a divorce because they're not even likely to get one in
01:09:35.240the first place so if we examine the change that's required we realistically need to say
01:09:42.340no more to women yeah would you agree um yeah what's the plan for that given the environment
01:09:51.760that we live in not the environment that we ought to live in do you mean the descriptive is
01:09:56.980like what do you what do we want to do about it right this second because nobody's able to say
01:10:02.720no to women today what do you mean by that everything everything that happened the vast
01:10:07.760majority of things that happen in culture and politics is all to support a female first primary
01:10:14.240social order it's all to um it's all to make men less and make women more it's yeah i don't disagree
01:10:21.360with that i think feminism is the supremacy movement today it's not about equality anymore
01:10:25.520it's about destroying men well it's about removal of the of the patriarchy yeah it's about the rule
01:10:30.560of man from the household and making the state and women the head of the household so that so
01:10:36.480that dynamic is shift completely it's it's put everything on its head so christianity as you
01:10:42.880idealize it you know the ought to version of christianity is not is not supporting i don't
01:10:48.880i don't get i don't get why you keep saying that this is an ought when it's descriptively true
01:10:54.560right now as we speak it is the case that these groups exist right this second as we speak where
01:11:02.720your risk of getting divorced is greatly mitigated by just being part of these groups because they
01:11:07.840do tell women no the traditional churches the traditional churches tell women it's not perfectly
01:11:13.120idealized it's a case right this second right now what do you mean in a in a perfect idealized
01:11:18.880church system but the church system is not like that yes it is compromised by toxic feminism let
01:11:24.080let me ask you a question can the orthodox or catholic church have female deacons i don't know
01:11:29.220i'm not i'm not no can they have priests who are female no can they have women who are in positions
01:11:34.060of leadership no they're being told no all the time they're being told no you can't be in here
01:11:40.080you're not allowed you're not allowed to be a deacon you're not allowed to be a priest you're
01:11:44.360not allowed to do any of that they're being told no and that's why you see the mitigation rate for
01:11:48.740like orthodox christians especially the mitigation is so low right that your chance of getting a
01:11:56.340divorce if you're getting married inside the church and participating inside the church
01:11:59.560it's abysmal it's abysmally low and so it's like yeah there are organizations which tell women no
01:12:05.880and they do it all the time and they won't let them in any position of leadership and they do
01:12:09.980it all the time and it's that's not in the future that that's going to happen that's
01:12:14.060right now that's happening there's orthodox churches that are pro-lgbtq their messaging
01:12:22.540allowing for divorces in their churches today yeah they allow for divorce but the chance
01:12:29.020they allow for divorce under certain extremities same as catholics so if there's abandonment i'm
01:12:34.700not happy i got bored not those not those no there's only there's only there's very few
01:12:40.300adultery abandonment addiction those are really the only three in which you have any grounds to
01:12:47.020even petition the church for divorce and so that helps mitigate in a huge way divorces inside of
01:12:55.560these churches because you're right most of the time women sue for divorce it's for irreconcilable
01:12:59.200differences not because of abuse not because of abandonment not because of cheating they're not
01:13:03.920mostly not pursuing divorces under those grounds so so your churches only allow it
01:13:08.620about christians and will lower the divorce rates and everything will be fine wait say that again
01:13:14.940so your recommendation is everybody become devout christians no lower the divorce rate to a level
01:13:20.460that's not risky and everybody no i'm not first of all what i'm getting is a descriptor for if
01:13:26.860marriage is good in the west right now not even a prescription not even a prescription yet just
01:13:32.700just a descriptor and the descriptor is obviously for some groups it's fine and for other groups
01:13:38.940which are groups who are not part of the devout infrastructure of religion it seems to be really
01:13:43.780bad okay for you guys really good for us really bad for you huh you still have a 12 divorce rate
01:13:50.800where men will get that's really low dude still that is really low really low huh can i just say
01:13:58.240um the i think that you're kind of talking past each other a little bit in certain ways so andrew
01:14:04.080you're coming from the religious aspect rich you're coming from an aspect where your mitigations for
01:14:08.960these problems rely on you being a little bit more wealthy so if you are looking at a guy for example
01:14:14.000who is between 25 and 30 maybe living paycheck to paycheck doesn't have a deep spiritual life
01:14:18.960in any way what what do you think is the is the best thing for that sort of guy to do
01:14:23.040you're asking me oh both of you yeah if the average joe just doesn't have a deep spiritual
01:14:32.160life or if the average joe is living paycheck to paycheck i know andrew would say get a deep
01:14:36.880spiritual life that'll solve your problems what do you think is the best for this for this guy to do
01:14:42.080i mean that's a difficult one because he's he's got to enter into a conventional marriage and
01:14:48.640that's what most of them try to do they get them destroyed um sorry i'm just looking at the data
01:14:54.800for uh the devout christian is that what they're called devout christians uh no so it depends
01:15:03.600we would be looking at we'd be looking at denomination and then practice within
01:15:07.680denomination in order how many different denominations are there for christians
01:15:11.280a lot like how many what i would do maybe the easiest way to parse it out
01:15:18.240would be to look at catholics orthodox and then protestants there's going to be the the kind of
01:15:23.760major but it does get into things like catholic orthodox wait hold on and you're gonna you're
01:15:31.000gonna have you're gonna have hold on i need to take a commercial break we'll can come back to
01:15:35.520this. I need to cook some e-girls. Hold on. Let me, give me a second. Give me a second.