Pearl - August 11, 2025Piers Morgan Asks Panel if Sydney Sweeney Has Good Jeans？ ｜ Pearl Daily
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A clip goes viral online of a dozen women being asked the question, Do we need men? Most answered, No, because men are useless. A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.
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Clip going viral online of a dozen women being asked the following question.
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This headline from The Hill, it caught my eye.
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Young men have fallen faster than any demographic in America for the last 40 years.
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Like, we don't need men the way that they used to.
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Men and women are drifting further apart, and society is crumbling because of it.
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A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.
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We've kind of got the trad con versus red pill thing.
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This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.
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You need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.
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It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.
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Now many of the red-pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married.
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One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.
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She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.
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Because if me and you were in a business contract, you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.
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74% or something of divorces are initiated by women.
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Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children.
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Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws.
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I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.
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Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse.
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When you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for.
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And you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.
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I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.
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You're literally just thrown out onto the street.
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We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women.
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and then daughters grow up without their fathers.
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Every problem in society comes from single mother homes.
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A lot of women will just chase this negative rabbit hole of happiness, endless happiness.
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Feminism's biggest failure is it lies to women.
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We tell women to date as many guys as possible.
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We tell them to put off family into marriage.
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You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend.
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I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.
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Like if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic,
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naturally the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.
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Women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy.
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And the problem is we have a modern society where it's me, me, me, my feelings, leave
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when I feel like it, instead of doing what's best for the kids.
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This myth that we live in an age of male privilege, where's my male privilege?
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They think, well, men have all the rights.
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Why doesn't our society care about men's rights?
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I have no friends, no wife, and no social life.
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I've seen so many men on the brink of suicide and they didn't do anything wrong.
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How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?
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The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.
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The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose to alcohol, three times higher among men than among women.
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What kind of a woman are you going to attract if men are in trouble?
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So are women everybody knows this is a huge problem, but nobody wants to admit it every single woman at the table said
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They wanted a man 500k 500k 300k 200k am I crazy everything is really set up against you to fail as a man
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If men make less than women women don't want to marry them
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So you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men?
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I don't want to be an independent woman anymore.
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I don't want to be a strong, independent woman.
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Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairy tale ending
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because men don't want a wife and women can't find a husband.
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The future, if everybody follows your path, is there is no future.
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We go into population decline and our economy goes into decline.
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This is an existential crisis failing young men.
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Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily here on the Audacity Network.
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Today, we are going to be reacting to Andrew Wilson on Piers Morgan, which is kind of a fun,
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it's a fun, chill Sunday. But before we do, I wanted to thank the people that have donated to
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the GoFundMe. So as you guys know, we are trying to raise $100,000 to put together this divorce
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documentary, and we just hit the $37,000 mark. Yes, guys, $50 15 hours ago from
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So thank you guys for getting it to the $37,000 mark.
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Now we're almost to $40,000, which is pretty cool.
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All Super Chats also go to the Divorce Documentary.
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So today we're going to be reacting to Andrew Wilson.
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And so basically, there was a tweet that was put out there.
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saying that Sidney Sweeney is somehow involved in racist campaigns.
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And it's just amazing how much society does not like when a pretty blonde girl,
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So apparently there's like white supremacy over an ad.
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well everything nazism say everybody's a nazi except for the actual nazis historically we have
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only normalized white people and so we've made white women's white women's bodies the norm why
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can't you have good genes sydney sweeney is a sex symbol she is a young hot woman that is all this
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ad is about american eagles sydney sweeney has great genes campaign has unleashed a hitlerian
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hysteria not seen since the U.S. election. In case you'd be living under a rock this week,
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this is what the fuss is about. Genes are passed down from parents to offspring,
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often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color.
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My genes are blue. Sidney Stweeney, Casper Jeans.
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She's got a banging body. She's got a great body.
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well half of the adverse viewers see a cheeky ad with an attractive actress flogging jeans
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the other half apparently see a subliminal propaganda campaign for eugenics fascism
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eugenics you've got to be kidding me and white supremacy with a dash of nazis thrown in for the
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mix those sydney sweeney american eagle ads are weird like fascist weird did american eagle just
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run an ad for eugenics the attractive white woman with blonde hair blue eyes is talking about just
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her just the gene she gets from american eagle see a blonde haired blue-eyed white woman and think
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that is an all-american woman that is the exact problem with this advertisement hey american eagle
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now do black and brown women hey you are there's so many it's like how many ads do you guys want
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there's so many ads with black and brown women you know i don't even like
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we put a blonde girl and they're getting mad go to america eagle oh i can't go in there because
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i'm black all right that's a bit of an exaggeration i think we should just start
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shaming them instead you are an embarrassment sydney sweeney it's all just excitable people
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on social media who are losing their minds on this one even good morning america is wondering
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whether sydney's great genes may herald the onset of a new fourth reich we begin with the
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backlash over a new ad campaign featuring actress sydney sweeney yeah the ads are for american eagle
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and the tagline is sydney sweeney has great genes now in one ad the blonde-haired blue-eyed actress
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talks about genes as in dna being passed down from her parents okay she's hot though i mean
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you could say that about beyonce or something you know i mean it's just a on words is being
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compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones.
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So is Sydney Sweeney the new poster girl for white supremacy, or is it all, as one commentator
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Well, turning to my panel now, I'm away from my usual studio, working on a slight delay,
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so I begin with a polite request for everyone to take it in turns and allow the audience
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I'm joined by Jedidiah Beeler, the host of the Jedidiah Beeler Show, by the conservative influencer, Deborah Lee, academic and host of BET News, Mark Lamont Hill, and the author of Cultural Intelligence for Marketers, Dr. Anastasia Gabrielle.
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I mean, I just saw Sidney Sweeney, looking hot, selling jeans.
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What memo didn't I get? I would love to live in a world where more people would have the privilege
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to look at this ad and simply see an ad for great genes. But that's not the world that we live in.
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And we live in the world that is marked with a lot of cultural baggage. So when I saw this ad
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as a marketer, somebody who works with agencies and brands on issues of culture and cultural
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relevance, I was frankly angered. And the reason for that is that the ad is racist and eugenics
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coded. And I have to be clear that when I say that, I don't mean to talk about the intent
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of the creators behind this ad, but rather the impact that it has on audiences and particularly
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on younger audiences. And here we need to remember that the target audience of American Eagle
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is the most racially and ethnically diverse consumer group in the history of the United
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States. And somebody who has spent a lot of time studying semiotics and the way that meaning is
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encoded in various forms of media and cultural artifacts, it becomes very clear to me that when
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we take apart this particular ad campaign, it marries certain concepts and certain words
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that carry cultural baggage for people. And if that wasn't enough, we can go back and look to
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the source material for this particular campaign, which is a Calvin Klein ad from 1980 that uses
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very explicitly the same kind of rhetoric of, and even more so rather, dramatically natural
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selection, survival of the fittest, selective mating, the superiority of dominant groups,
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et cetera. And from a perspective of media and cultural studies, when we look at this particular
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campaign, we can see how meaning travels from the source of inspiration to this particular
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narrative structure that we see in this ad. And so it is no surprise to me that it was picked up
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by audiences that reacted in the way that they did. And research shows, even though,
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obviously, Gen Z are in themselves a diverse group, they're also generally, on average,
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more progressive leaning, and of course, chronically online.
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Anastasia, we haven't had you on our sensor before.
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I didn't really understand a word of what you just said.
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Are you this much fun at parties or do you have a different persona there?
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I would love it if you weren't disrespectful to me.
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Oh wait, where's Andrew Wilson isn't in this one, am I in the wrong one?
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I am so sorry, okay, I thought it was, oh, it's this one.
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bad my bad guys i don't know woman and me you want these people to destroy your theology if you're
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catholic sir they're going after your theology what am i what am i missing um andrew wilson sydney
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sweeney on pierce morgan okay hold on wait take my screen off for a second because i think it was
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texted to me earlier so just i don't want another wait here get a life oh no that's not it
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i wanted to see one with andrew today okay guys you you vote uh i guess i thought andrew was in
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this. I guess he's not. I was frankly angered. Natural selection, survival of the fittest,
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selective mating, the superiority of... I think TV just picks stupid people,
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okay uh marlon hill let's go let's look at an earlier american eagle ad which was in the middle
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of the whole me too campaign and stuff um do you have any problem with the lady on the left there
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do i have a problem with her no i don't have a problem with her yeah i don't have a problem
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You do have a problem with the woman on the right.
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One, you specifically said, let's not interrupt each other.
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And I haven't been able to articulate one sentence yet.
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I am not offended by the woman on the left, nor am I offended by the woman on the right.
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Like the aha that you're going for isn't there because I'm saying I am not offended by each
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What I am, please, I'm asking respectfully, allow me to finish a thought.
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Two people have spoken uninterrupted for three minutes.
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What I'm saying is, the problem is not either woman.
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The problem is how we're narrating the commercial.
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Several things have been said that I'd like to respond to in direct response to what you're
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The first thing, and I'm glad the last woman who spoke mentioned that she's Jewish because
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think that's really important historically there have been lots of anti-semitic uh images
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narratives tropes that are used that non-jews don't how could you let an ad affect your life
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i i don't understand it i don't see and many times someone will say oh wait a minute they
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They showed that person playing into the cabal narrative.
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They showed this person as a rodent, or they showed this person with changing their name
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And the average person may not intend to be anti-Semitic, although some people are anti-Semitic,
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So I don't want to presume that because a white person doesn't see it, that that means
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Or if a black person doesn't see—you know what I'm saying?
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We have to think about this on all levels from multiple audiences.
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used the word normal and talked about it in the context of this white woman. White women are
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normal, but so are other people. The problem is, historically, we have only normalized white people,
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and so we've made white women's bodies, white male bodies, the norm, and we've made everything
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else less human, less beautiful, less real. And so when we say good genes are the ones that-
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What a load of crap. Honestly, I'm sorry, Mark. If I may jump in on my own show,
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what a load of crap I saw Beyonce do a jeans ad everybody drooled over it
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that's what I mean why do you there's some people that just shouldn't have
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microphones I loved it thought she looked hot but she did right I mean what
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you talking about man this is can you imagine he's employed for his opinions he's paid
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pierce morgan pays he's paid for this and there's people that are subject matter experts
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and like academics and i'm pierce morgan they have like a
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this guy and then a bunch of blonde e-girls
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and then some Jewish lady that can't do a coherent thought, it's like, all right.
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That's a great question. Let me ask you a great question. Does Sydney Sweeney,
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does Sydney Sweeney have bad genes? Yes or no?
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Does she have good genes? Does she have good genes?
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No. Again, you're trying for these gotchas.
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The whole point is to argue that good and bad genes itself is a bad idea.
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Sometimes they just put like dumb people on shows just to argue with him.
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I'm going to respond and I'm going to hope that you don't interrupt me as I answer.
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OK, because, again, no one else has been interrupted except the people who disagree with you.
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What I'm saying is still the word you listen, listen, listen.
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The point here is to judge human beings based on their genes that you decide that you have good genes and you have bad genes isn't in and of itself a racist project.
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That's the point. So, no, it's not that I think that I have good genes and you can't say anyone else has good genes.
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I'm saying, let's get rid of the good genes narrative, particularly when it's based on hair
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and eyes and body type. Why? Because those things are racially coded. In other words,
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if I say that straight hair is good genes or blonde hair is good genes, and no, I'm not after
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watching an ad, Googling someone to figure out their natural roots. You'd be shocked to know
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how many people don't do that. If I'm doing these things and I see blue, your eye color and your
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hair as a sign of your good genes, then that means someone who has a different hair or eye color
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doesn't have good genes. And if you, the last thing I'll say is if you look historically
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at ads. It doesn't though, does it? Calm down. Calm down. It doesn't actually mean that.
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No, no, no. Hang on. Hang on. No, no. I will speak on my own show. So just calm down.
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I'm asking you not to be condescending. Stop being so precious. My instruction about shouting
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was between the three, four of you, not me. It's my show. I do what I like.
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Yes, I don't care if it's your show here. If you interrupt me in the first minute,
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it's bad form. I'm saying that if you let the guests who agreed with you talk for three minutes,
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then don't allow me to talk for more than one second you literally didn't let me finish the
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first you have he's crashing out he is crashing out it's such when you're in these environments
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it's such like um it's such a weird setting i kind of hate so i don't really take these panels
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anymore because i just hate talking like that i want to talk to you like a normal person
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you know i don't want to talk to you like this scripted monologues i want to like have a back
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and forth and understand where you're coming from. Literally, you have literally done more
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talking than all three other guests put together multiple by two or three. So call your precious
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Jeff. Call your precious Jeff. At this point, it was at the first 10 seconds. My point was just
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to interrupt me in the first 10 seconds. Can you calm down? I'm not angry. I'm talking over you.
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Right. I have blue eyes, right? I also have good genes, particularly on my mother's side,
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because my skin is surprisingly good for a personal age, because my mother's side
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all had good skin. You got a problem with that?
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Mom? Is that for me? You got a problem with that? Yes. If I say I've got good genes from my mother
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because I have good skin and I've got blue eyes, so what?
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If someone has bad genes, what would their hair or skin look like?
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I didn't see anybody from American Eagle saying that anybody else is bad.
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Nobody from American Eagle was making any comparison.
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Nobody said somebody else's eye color or skin color was wrong or bad or anything negative.
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All they said in an amusing pun is that Sidney Sweeney has good genes and is wearing great jeans.
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That's it. There was no negative about anybody else.
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And here's why I disagree with that, because if I were to stand on here and say, oh, she's from a good background, she's Gentile.
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Then we would all say, well, wait a minute. I didn't compare to anybody else.
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No, by saying that Gentiles, the good background, I would be implicitly saying that the others are not.
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If I say I have a good body, I'm skinny, then I'm saying that other bodies are not good.
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It's an implicit comparison, but it's not out of context.
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Historically in this country and in the West, we've always said that white bodies are more beautiful.
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We're starting from a place where we've already presumed white.
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I actually think black women have the best bodies.
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i do think blonde women have the best like um features here sometimes blonde women a lot of
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blonde women have nose jobs so i don't think they normally like they kind of have the crooked
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like nowadays most women it's so common to get nose jobs i like latina do you see what i mean
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i feel like there's different things that each race has that look really good i've heard jewish
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women are really pretty i've never i've never i only know one or two but i've heard there i've
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heard the girls in israel are like beautiful have spent the last 10 years the last 10 years
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if you look at all of the marketing campaigns all we have done how many segments on television about
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the elevation of obesity you see people who are massive that you now we're saying it's a good
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thing right it's great let's celebrate everyone who's unhealthy and obese if this ad was an
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African-American, if this ad was a Hispanic girl, no one would be saying a peep. Frankly, I think
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if this ad was a white girl like me with brown hair, brown eyes, I got a little Spanish in me,
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I got a little Italian in me, I'm Sicilian, I got some African in me, I don't think anyone would be
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saying anything either. This is utterly ridiculous. The only people who are offended by this ad are
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people who choose to be offended by everything. Either you choose to see racism in everything,
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or you choose to see sexism or misogyny. I noticed that a whole lot of women online were
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mad about this ad because they were jealous. It was so obvious. Now they're saying that this woman
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is against the body positivity campaign because she's skinny. So let's just say the truth. Sydney
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Sweeney is a sex symbol. She is a young, hot woman. She is objectively attractive. That is all this ad
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was about. Now, why has the stock skyrocketed for this company? The reason this ad has done so well
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is yes, because it creates controversy and we all talk about it and we debate and American Eagle is
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very smart and they knew that, but also because there is a growing segment of the population
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just like me that is saying that is so tired of walking on eggshells to cater to people
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You can put an ad out and offend this person over here or that person over there.
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Everyone is always going to get offended by something.
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If you see everything through the lens of race, that's your problem.
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Yeah. Getting offended, the way I think, even if somebody's insulting you in your face
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and yelling at you and screaming, getting offended says more about you than them
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because their anger is their problem, but your anger is also your problem.
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That's not American Eagle's problem. If you see everything through the lens of misogyny,
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it's the same conversation over and over again.
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You know what? Hang on. Don't all talk at once. Don't all talk at once. No, I'm going to come to Anastasia. Anastasia, here's the problem. The Democrats have just polled at record loads. Right. They are incredibly unpopular.
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And I can tell you one of the reasons why. It's things like this. The reason Donald Trump got reelected is partly the economy, partly immigration, but also partly the culture wars, which the liberal left, the woke left, tried so dementedly to fuel and fire for so many years, behaving like a bunch of insane fascists.
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And it comes down to stuff like this, where most people watch this ad and see it for what
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it is, a harmless ad with a hot actress selling jeans.
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But in the prism of the woke left, which I assume you would identify as, but correct
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me if I'm wrong, you look at it and see it as an obvious example of Nazism, eugenics,
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white supremacy, and you hate it and despise it.
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And anyone who likes it must be cancelled.
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That's why nobody wants to vote for anyone who identifies with the woke left.
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And no one on the left in the woke left seems to understand that it's exactly this kind
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of thing that is the reason that nobody wants to vote for it.
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And I think that kind of strong narratives between, you know, woke left kind of hijacking
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everything is part of a narrative of labeling people and not allowing nuance and context of
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what is actually happening here. So I'm not really interested in being inflammatory around
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the subject. Neither do I think that this particular campaign is a propaganda campaign
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for eugenics. But I am interested in thinking about the power of media and representation in
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our culture and what it means for somebody who engages with this ad who doesn't look like me.
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And as a marketer, I know that actually it is American Eagle's problem that that is a reaction of their customer base, which is younger people and particularly younger girls.
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And as a marketer, I know it's a responsibility of the brand to understand their audience, to understand their worldview, the way that they form their associations and connect with them.
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Women just say a lot of words, but say nothing, nothing at all.
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Today's show is brought to you by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day, and found out one
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model was pictured wearing a colostomy bag, another was photographed with her arm in crutches,
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one woman posed in her wheelchair, and it did nothing for sales.
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So from a marketing point of view, it didn't work.
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Now you have a hot woman who is none of those things, who is just a hot woman like the old
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advertising used to use all the time, along with hot men. I remember the Calvin Klein
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gene ads with men. Yeah. You know, I want to go to a movie or see a models and I want them to
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make me feel bad about myself. I want to look at them and say, wow, I am not shit. And that's how
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I used to feel as a kid. But nowadays, I guess it's kind of nice. Women complain so much that
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they're putting ugly people as models. What a time. Topless selling buckets of jeans. And guess
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what? Sales are up 30%. So you as a marketer should say, well done, American Eagle. You've
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stopped being ridiculously woke, trying to sell to very small groups of people and ignoring the
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mass majority who are going to buy your jeans. And now you've gone route one using sex and
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femininity to sell jeans. And by the way, they don't care if she's white or black or anything
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else. They just care that she's hot. And Beyonce sold jeans. That was a great campaign. That worked
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really well because she's a hot black woman. And the moment you try and read in all this other
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stuff, I mean, you say you don't want to be inflammatory. You literally said it was one of
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the most outrageously racist marketing campaigns ever. What could be more inflammatory than that?
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Well, let me correct you, Pierce. I feel like this is just like
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a twitter space argument in real life it's like people arguing over nothing i said that i've seen
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in recent years i'm very careful with my words so i did not paint this picture of this being a racist
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ad you know ever but i do think and i think i've explained the way that representation works and
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the way that i see it working within this ad um now i would love to see the evidence for the 30
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sales spike i personally have not seen it neither i have seen you know anyone in the marketing
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community share it. So I would love to see it and the source for that. However, there is a question
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of ethics and there is a question of ethical guardrails in marketing. I understand that in
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2020 or whenever, brands were responding to the cultural moment of post-2020 impulse to increase
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representation, diversity, et cetera. And perhaps those campaigns were not commercially successful.
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Now, do I think that commercial outcomes justify any kind of campaign that implies anything out there just because it drives sales?
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As a marketer, I am interested in driving business results.
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There's people starving right now, watching people complain about an ad.
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on top of this this is a low cut top for tv women just have the audacity
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she's beautiful to be honest she's a very pretty woman i see why she's there she's barely talked
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she doesn't have to right that's an upper tier e-girl in terms of looks i would put her as like
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whoever this is that's i deem her the new hottest e-girl on the right i deem her but also thinking
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about the ethics of representation and what kind of messages are young girls and children, frankly,
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consuming when they log on to their Instagram or TikTok and keep swiping. And again, I said,
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I take more balanced approach to this. I do not think it was intentional propaganda,
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as I have already said, but I do think that there are some codes within this marketing media
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communications, which is a unit of media that are concerning in the way that they are implying
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that good, great genes are represented by someone like Sweeney.
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Now, other co-panelists mentioned, if another particular model of other kind of background
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or maybe multiple models were featured, there's likely would not be an uproar.
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And that is because that kind of messaging carries cultural baggage, as I've mentioned.
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I'm German and Irish. What would be my cultural baggage is reflective of the history of racism
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in this country? Because she's white and got blue eyes. Is that why? Because the verbal cues
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surrounding this terminology that carries a lot of cultural weight, such as offspring,
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gray jeans, are paired with these other signifiers that are very specific, blue, blue eyes, blonde
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skin, et cetera. And you have to understand that this is just a reality of how our brains work.
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We move for life and we develop these conceptual and mental maps.
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So you don't like it because she's white and got blue eyes. All right.
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Yeah, because if it was a black girl, they wouldn't care. They'd be like, yes, queen,
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especially if she was fat if she was fat she would be on like the cover of a magazine
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hang on hang on we're gonna go in the right order i'm gonna ask deborah lee deborah lee i mean
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ultimately we got to the real problem she's white and got blue eyes since when was that a crime to
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use a white blue-eyed woman who's hot and an actress to sell products happens all the time
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as it does with black actresses all the time.
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I'd say somewhere in the last five to six years,
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the oldest marketing ploy from the beginning of time is sex sells.
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And the problem with the left and everybody who's offended by this
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which there's a lot that goes into having good genes we don't know about.
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Maybe she doesn't have any history of family illness.
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Like you said, Piers, great skin, didn't need braces.
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It's much more than just having blonde hair and blue eyes, okay?
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But to say that Sidney Sweeney has good genes means now we're saying that all these other
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Why do you have to always get offended by every single thing?
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And let's just go back to, what was it, Abercrombie that had the shirtless models outside of all
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It's the same people that are offended by the Sidney Sweeney ad that were dreaming and
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praying to end up with one of those shirtless models.
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Society has progressed too far in the sense where now every single person needs everything to find value.
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OK, Marla Monhill, I remember a model called Tess Holliday being the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine.
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And the whole piece was about how incredibly empowering this was and what an example of body positivity it was.
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when in fact, it was an unbelievably dangerous promotion of morbid obesity. That's what it was.
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Because if you're 305 pounds at five foot two, you are dangerously fat and you are more likely
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than not to die from the repercussions of being that size. And yet the woke left went, look at
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this. Isn't this fantastic? And yet here you have a model who's not super slim, Sydney Sweeney.
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She's got a very rounded, normal body, right?
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And she looks hot and she's wearing jeans and she happens to be white and happens to have blue eyes.
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To try and turn this into a racial thing or to compare it to the Nazis, even by woke standards, seems to me ridiculous.
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OK, first, just for clarity, Sidney Sweeney is a size zero.
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So even when we say that someone is a normal size, that suggests that the-
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Yeah, but what's wrong with being a size zero? It's better than being a size 14,
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which is like the average dress size of American women.
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The average person is a size zero. The average person, the average woman in this country is not.
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So at all moments when we make these observations that seem neutral,
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we're actually assigning a value. So if I am a size eight as a woman,
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and you just said on national TV is the most important, coolest, most handsome host in the
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history of television. If you say that it's normal to be a size zero, then yeah, when I'm a size eight,
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now I feel like something's wrong with my body. Similarly. So she doesn't look normal to you,
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Sydney Sweeney? She looks normal. 38 seconds, by the way, for interruption. Great. You're on a new
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record. I think she looks normal. Wow, you're really touchy today. I think. Okay, Pierce is
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kind of gaslighting this guy. I hate it. I've gone on the opposite panels and they don't let
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you talk. I've had, you know, similar experiences. Teasing your peers. I'm just very, very upset
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about, uh, about the world, you know, and I need a hug from you and you're not, you're not in the
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studio with me. Um, well, there are more important things to be worried about than Sidney bloody
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Sweeney. Trust me. Honestly, there is war raging around the world. There is famine, right? And
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And you're getting your, you're getting your knickers in a massive twist about Sidney Sweeney.
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That's actually where I'm, that's actually where I'm going, right? I mean, this conversation
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started with. How did you know her dress size, but not her hair color? Because I just Googled
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it when he said it and it comes up because I just typed Sidney Sweeney dress size and it says Sidney
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Sweeney typically wears a size 23, which is equivalent to US size zero. I looked it up to
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make an argument while he was talking. Google is amazing in that way. I had no desire to do it with
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the ad because it wasn't my point. As a scholar, my point was to see how the audience receives
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something, not how I, at a meta level, can look at something. She's not a size zero, by the way.
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She's definitely not. As a woman, she's not a size zero.
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Yeah, I would have guessed like a four. Zero. No. Do you know what? She might be because
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they've been making the sizes bigger for fat women because fat women can't cope. They keep
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getting fatter. And so instead of losing weight, they make the sizes. They like inflate the sizes.
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So now I'd like to respond to the actual point. I can see whatever size she is. My point is to
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say any woman has a normal size. It assigns a value. And I'm not saying white guilt is millennial
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BS. I'm saying we're always articulating values when we say things. Putting a 300 pound woman on
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a, on a, on a cover is not in and of itself a problem. If I put a 300 pound woman on a cover
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and say, that's the healthy body, I'm implicitly saying that other bodies are not. And to your
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point, I think that might be problematic at the beginning of this conversation. Debra,
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I think your name is Debra. Forgive me for, if I, if I got your name wrong. Um, I think
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you, he's even polite to the hottie. He would bitch out Jedediah, but the hot girl, like,
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look at her look at her she's so pretty he's he's the the men are charmed that's why we we start to
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hate these young broads i mean i hate her you know what i mean because i gotta go through all this
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work of being nice and like you know learning to debate and all this stuff look at her look at that
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smile look i mean she looks beautiful it's like yeah screw you uh the river to the sea right the
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river to the sea is not in and of itself. Those words to me are not genocidal. I know they're
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not genocidal, but to you, you hear it differently. Why? Because you're looking at history. You're
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looking at context. You're looking at intent. You're looking at action and you're making a
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different judgment. Your judgment's wrong. That statement is absolutely not Gaza needs to be free.
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No, it's not. It comes from the literal charter. From the river to the sea, we must genocide all
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Jews. So no, I'm not looking at context. I'm looking at the literal Hamas charter and what
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these people believe. That would be context. Okay. Again, allow me to finish. I never interrupted
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you. The Hamas charter would be context. That's my point. You're looking, you're not looking just
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at the words. You're looking at other pieces of evidence. That's called context. You're
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literally making my point. My point to you is- Because words have meaning. Words don't just
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mean nothing. I'll let you ask your question. And so do, listen to me. Words do have meaning
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and the meaning isn't just about literal decoding. It's also about the meanings that are encoded
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into words. It's about the history. It's about other factors. And I'm telling you,
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the same way you're telling me as a Jewish person, there are certain words, certain images,
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certain tropes that impact you because of the history of anti-Semitism. I'm telling you that
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that same history of anti-white supremacy that makes anti-Semitism so ugly also makes anti-Black
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racism so ugly. I didn't tell you I was offended by this argument. You keep saying—you said get
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a job and stop being offended. I think we all have jobs
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here, and I don't think any of us are offended, per se.
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TikTok videos complaining about a woman in an ad,
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you probably don't have bigger things to care about.
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You know, if I honestly, if I was running a marketing campaign for a big company now
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involved in, I don't know, leisure or beauty or fashion, whatever, I would just be deliberately
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goading the woke left now in a smart, funny way.
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I would let them throw all their toys out of a stroller and then just increase sales
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Because this censorious, puritanical bullshit is over.
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I've written a book called Woke is Dead, which is coming out in October.
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I think it'll be a massive bestseller because you know what?
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They are sick of being told what they can laugh at, what they can admire.
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They're sick of being told they can't look at a beautiful white woman without being accused of being a Nazi.
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and every company should do that because there is a group of woke leftists who are outraged by
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just about everything that sit on the sidelines and they just wait. They wait for an opportunity
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and then they jump and they go completely insane. And the vast majority of the country does not feel
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that way. The vast majority of the country does not see everything through a lens of how they can
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be offended. They looked at the ad, they saw a young hot girl, they said, oh, she does have good
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genes. They laughed about it. They went and had a day. They went and had a normal day. They didn't
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get all rancid inside. And the bottom line is, it's so interesting to me because
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these people think they're, somehow these woke leftists think they're winning. They think that
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by getting all riled up, they are winning the game and they don't realize that they're constantly
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Well, you know the irony, you know the irony, Jedediah? Here's the irony. The irony is in their
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attempt to portray everybody as white supremacists, the woke left have an inbuilt
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superiority complex. They think they are better and superior to everybody else, right? And it
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doesn't matter whether the white left or white, black, whatever, but they haven't built superiority
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and it is, and it is now I'm afraid it doesn't work because we've now seen Donald Trump get
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reelected by defying everything they stood for. But not only that, Pierce, what's important to
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note is that the people who created this ad were not creating a racist ad, but the people who saw
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racism and eugenics and Nazism in this ad, maybe they should self-examine. Why do they see everything
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through the lens of race? Why are they outraged by this ad with a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl,
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but if you put, you know, a black girl, if you put a Spanish girl, there would be no outrage.
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Why is everything that they see from the perspective of jumping into outrage?
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No one ever argues that black, no one in the history of the West has ever argued that black
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people have superior genes. The Enlightenment era was built on the human that black people
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have superior genes. The impression aesthetics is good on the idea that wet people have superior
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bodies. Every piece of aesthetics, of philosophy, of epistemology, every piece of Western thought
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and action is— There has been a massive—hold on a second. There has been a massive battle
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in this country about obesity for the longest time. You now have the condemnation of thin
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people. You have the elevation of obese people. You have campaigns, Cosmopolitan magazine,
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magazines across the country saying fat is healthy, fat is the new skinny, all the time.
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People in your camp do not say a peep about that because it's not on the list of things
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You just happen to be outraged about something different today.
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There's always something for the woke left to be outraged about because they're always
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They've always got their families in a bunch because they're so darn sensitive about everything.
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So last word to you, Martha Monahill, otherwise you'll be reporting me.
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And number two, I point out a history of white supremacist logics and cultures that show that white lives, white bodies, white experiences are better.
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You pointed to the influx of fat people on ads as a piece of counter evidence.
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I'm not disputing your argument about fat people.
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I'm not disputing your argument about skinny people.
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I'm saying that there's a history of white people being superior in terms of how we understand them in this country.
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if so if a group of people had said hey i believe that this ad is anti-semitic would you have said
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similarly get over yourself stop fighting anti-semitism everywhere yes yes i would say
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would you say they're just cooking them they're just cooking this is the dumbest argument
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i hate that this stuff gets views there's some stuff as a youtuber you have to cover
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do you know what I mean you're like alright this is trending
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you're wrong all the time but you're consistent
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let me see what the let me go to his page and see the most popular clips um
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let's do this one why do you want these people to destroy your theology if you're catholic sir
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they're going out of your theology on the public stage what is wrong with you you're not a catholic
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you're a pretender what is wrong give me a break what is wrong with you that you're
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sidney left ernest owens off the charts woke wow okay that just made me laugh i shouldn't
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probably read that out but it was very funny that's how you're all seen that's a that's how
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you're all seen and it made me chuckle um let's start with you andrew wilson so from a musical
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perspective i've read a lot of reviews this morning about this uh full disclosure i'm good
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friends with Andrew Lloyd Webber. I think he's a complete genius. Jesus Christ Superstar when
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it came out in the 70s was deliberately designed to be very provocative as we know, but it's never
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been as provocative as this performance. What is your response to it? I mean, from a musical
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perspective, it's been heralded as a great triumph, but obviously many feel it's crossed a line.
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Oh wait, I've seen that play. Oh my gosh, my friend directed this play.
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think oh it's been heralded as a great triumph has it when are they going to do muhammad on ice
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so what they do is they're banking on the fact that there is uh christian pacifism and that we
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won't give the sorts of violent pushback that they would get if they were mocking other religions so
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they kind of bank on that what this is is this is homosexual infiltration once again of the church
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this is what they do this is all they do this is a glad award nose for otto looking chick and
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here's what they did. They didn't just get everything wrong. They didn't even include
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the resurrection, any of the Christian themes. The whole thing is a total mockery. And who cares?
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It is kind of woke. Friend of mine directed it. So he's really cool, but yeah, it's pretty woke.
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A bunch of liberal, you know, a bunch of liberals write up, oh, this was great. This was a musical
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masterpiece. Of course they're going to say that. That's what they do. That's how propaganda works.
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This entire thing was designed to attack Christianity, and it's always that way.
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That's the way it always is. Ernest, I saw you perform one of the great eye rolls in Uncensored
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History just then, but I do think Andrew has a point. There's absolutely zero chance that Hollywood
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would have staged a musical like this, which openly mocked the tenets of Islam, for example.
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I think that Jesus Christ Superstar and its creation, the whole title, the whole, if you
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ever seen it, have you actually seen it, Andrew? Like, have you actually seen it? Everything that
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you're saying would actually be argued that it's already been done. Like, no children are watching
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this to learn about Christ. The type of people that you're thinking of that would be offended
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by this would probably not even spend the kind of money to watch this show live and would not
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have an interest to watch it just because they know that it is an adult themed musical that is
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meant to be provocative since it was in its inception for decades. It's meant to mock
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Christianity, right? I mean, you can say that. I find it be satirical. Yeah, it's meant to mock
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Christianity. Just be honest about it. Just be honest and say, Andrew, it's meant to mock
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Christianity. It's not for you Christians to watch. We're mocking you. That's what we're doing.
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That's what the point is. Well, I mean, if you have a taste of satire and humor,
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you i didn't think it was mocking when i saw it i can't remember being offended
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i just remember the music was really good maybe it was a different one i don't know appreciate
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that as a christian i think a lot of people who know cynthia rivo she sings gospel phenomenally
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well she's an incredible singer and she's done several different types of shows and she has a
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range of that and so for anybody who wants to take this seriously make a cultural out of it i mean
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is this the case for council culture i don't i don't i don't think the argument here is that
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christians are allergic to humor i think the argument here is that it's clear it's clear that
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you would never do this with the dalai lama for example or with with muhammad and because you'd
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get killed if there's one group i've pissed off a lot of groups in my day but if there's one group
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that um i am not a fan of pissing off that's i'm not even gonna say their name because you guys
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scare me you do like religion they're like we're the religion of peace and i'm like then why am i
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scared why am i getting death threats why am i scared uh for the fund thank you corey i appreciate
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the donation i appreciate you so i i think that's where people take issue with it and actually the
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original the original um jesus christ superstar was quite consistent with what happened in the
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bible in terms of the the the theology behind it um this is just basically a bold black i mean they
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they could have at least put a wig on her. It's so weird seeing her have the crown of thorns on
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her head and it's just basically this bold, shiny head. They're clearly taking the mickey out of
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what actually happened. And on the point about the homosexual infiltration, I'm sorry, I just
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thought, I think the Catholic priests beat this play there a few decades ago on that front.
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Did they beat it like the public schools? Like the public schools beat it who have 10 or hundreds
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of times the rate of sexual molestation of children. So I mean, when you talk about predators,
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for instance, guess what? Predators go where their children are. This is no exception for
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secular institutions like public schools. So I don't know why you people use this as a talking
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point. It's a terrible one. That was really funny. True. All right, Mike Nellis. Let me bring in Mike
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Nellis. I would say this, you know, as a... They're claiming white people can't say great
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genes is exposing their inferiority complex. YouTube won't let me put white plus guilt together.
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Wow. That's bullshit. As a Christian, I'm a Catholic, right? I do think one of the best
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things about my religion is that we can laugh at ourselves, right? We can self-lampoon. I often
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laugh at some of the absurdities of my own church, for example. And the fact that Christians
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have a better tolerance level for mockery than other religions is something to be proud of,
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isn't it? Well, I think all the comparisons to Islam are really silly stuff. And I'm going to
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say this as a practicing Catholic, if your faith is so fragile that you're offended about a black
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woman playing Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ superstar, you've got bigger problems than
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what was going on in the culture war. Second, we've heard a lot of, you know, frankly, some
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really weird comments about like homosexual infiltration of American society. Like Andrew
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over there is complaining about people preying on children. I haven't seen Andrew say anything
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about Donald Trump being in the Epstein files or releasing the Epstein files on here. So
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I don't really think that's a red herring. It's a little red herring. Why do you want these people
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to destroy your theology? If you're a Catholic, sir, they're going after your theology on the
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public stage. They're taking out the resurrection, a romantic relationship between Jesus and Mary.
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what is wrong with you you're not a catholic you're a pretender what is wrong give me a break
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what is wrong with you that your faith is so weak that a play in hater he would that's going to be
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you are commanded to defend your faith sir as a catholic i'm defending my man you're going to
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defend it by rolling over and letting him kick you while you're down huh that's you that's you
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defending the faith of christ faith is in practice and my faith is not going online and complaining
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about musicals and making you online complaining you're online complaining i was like what are you
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doing now right now and the thing is you're actually not complaining how dare christians
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be offended what's wrong with you you're a catholic god andrew he can beat anybody in a debate
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supposed to defend the faith defend it i'll defend my faith andrew andrew let me jump in
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let me jump in andrew andrew did you i hang on my i'll come back to you but just life of brian
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