Pearl - August 11, 2025


Piers Morgan Asks Panel if Sydney Sweeney Has Good Jeans？ ｜ Pearl Daily


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00:00:00.000 Clip going viral online of a dozen women being asked the following question.
00:00:08.840 Do we need men?
00:00:11.120 Most answered very quickly, no.
00:00:14.040 Because men are useless.
00:00:16.860 This headline from The Hill, it caught my eye.
00:00:19.760 Most young men are single.
00:00:21.440 Most young women are not.
00:00:22.680 Young men have fallen faster than any demographic in America for the last 40 years.
00:00:27.500 It's a different world now.
00:00:28.400 Like, we don't need men the way that they used to.
00:00:30.520 Nobody needs men!
00:00:31.760 The future is female.
00:00:34.820 Men and women are drifting further apart, and society is crumbling because of it.
00:00:41.360 A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.
00:00:44.620 We've kind of got the trad con versus red pill thing.
00:00:47.300 This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.
00:00:50.940 You need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.
00:00:55.020 Marriage is a bond, and it's a sacred bond.
00:00:57.480 It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.
00:01:00.680 Now many of the red-pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married.
00:01:05.640 Hannah Pearl Davis, or just pearly things.
00:01:09.260 One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.
00:01:12.920 She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.
00:01:15.780 Because if me and you were in a business contract, you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.
00:01:20.960 Gee, what could go wrong there?
00:01:23.160 74% or something of divorces are initiated by women.
00:01:26.580 Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children.
00:01:29.580 Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws.
00:01:32.280 I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.
00:01:37.220 Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse.
00:01:40.440 You need no evidence.
00:01:41.560 When you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for.
00:01:45.280 And you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.
00:01:48.620 I interviewed them on the other side.
00:01:51.140 I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.
00:01:53.440 How much did you spend trying to get him back?
00:01:55.500 The legal fees alone was about $200,000.
00:01:57.960 Before you know it, you're homeless.
00:01:59.400 You're literally just thrown out onto the street.
00:02:01.300 We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women.
00:02:03.840 Wives are taught to leave their husbands,
00:02:05.640 and then daughters grow up without their fathers.
00:02:08.000 Family is the foundation of society.
00:02:09.700 Every problem in society comes from single mother homes.
00:02:12.880 A lot of women will just chase this negative rabbit hole of happiness, endless happiness.
00:02:17.180 Feminism's biggest failure is it lies to women.
00:02:19.160 We tell women to date as many guys as possible.
00:02:20.980 We tell them to put off family into marriage.
00:02:22.480 You are allowed to leave your perfect husband.
00:02:25.500 You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend.
00:02:29.920 Oh, freeze your ex. Have an abortion.
00:02:31.720 What? You're evil.
00:02:32.980 I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.
00:02:36.840 Like if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic,
00:02:40.940 naturally the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.
00:02:43.680 It's self-sabotage.
00:02:44.520 That's the thing.
00:02:45.200 Women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy.
00:02:48.420 This is not about happiness.
00:02:50.180 The most important thing is the children.
00:02:52.120 And the problem is we have a modern society where it's me, me, me, my feelings, leave
00:02:57.140 when I feel like it, instead of doing what's best for the kids.
00:03:01.040 This myth that we live in an age of male privilege, where's my male privilege?
00:03:04.780 They think, well, men have all the rights.
00:03:06.340 They have all the power.
00:03:07.600 Privilege, patriarchal system that we have.
00:03:09.880 Why doesn't our society care about men's rights?
00:03:12.500 I have no friends, no wife, and no social life.
00:03:15.740 Men are alone in this situation.
00:03:17.660 Men are homeless.
00:03:18.620 Men are thinking about eating guns.
00:03:20.380 I've seen so many men on the brink of suicide and they didn't do anything wrong.
00:03:24.840 How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?
00:03:30.260 The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.
00:03:34.120 Women are helplessly dependent upon men.
00:03:36.440 The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose to alcohol, three times higher among men than among women.
00:03:43.840 Culture is telling men, you are no good.
00:03:45.680 You've got to get your act together.
00:03:46.900 I think men have failed themselves.
00:03:48.520 What kind of a man are you?
00:03:49.400 What kind of a woman are you going to attract if men are in trouble?
00:03:53.240 So are women everybody knows this is a huge problem, but nobody wants to admit it every single woman at the table said
00:03:59.720 They wanted a man 500k 500k 300k 200k am I crazy everything is really set up against you to fail as a man
00:04:05.560 If men make less than women women don't want to marry them
00:04:09.160 So you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men?
00:04:13.220 women
00:04:14.720 I don't want to be an independent woman anymore.
00:04:16.940 I don't want to be a strong, independent woman.
00:04:19.200 I'm over it.
00:04:20.360 When is it going to be my turn?
00:04:21.660 Where are we meeting the men that don't stop?
00:04:23.400 I can't keep having these same conversations.
00:04:26.200 The only simp here is you, Pearl.
00:04:27.480 You simp for men.
00:04:28.080 No, I think you simp for women.
00:04:29.500 She's a provocateur.
00:04:30.480 She says stupid stuff.
00:04:31.660 But Pearl is right about this.
00:04:32.920 It's already happening.
00:04:34.060 It's just not out in the open yet.
00:04:35.520 Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairy tale ending
00:04:38.140 because men don't want a wife and women can't find a husband.
00:04:40.960 The future, if everybody follows your path, is there is no future.
00:04:45.460 We go into population decline and our economy goes into decline.
00:04:49.320 Civilization will crumble.
00:04:51.100 The American story does not end well.
00:04:53.660 This is an existential crisis failing young men.
00:05:02.700 What up, guys?
00:05:04.540 What's going on, guys?
00:05:05.980 Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily here on the Audacity Network.
00:05:09.940 Today, we are going to be reacting to Andrew Wilson on Piers Morgan, which is kind of a fun,
00:05:15.600 it's a fun, chill Sunday. But before we do, I wanted to thank the people that have donated to
00:05:22.740 the GoFundMe. So as you guys know, we are trying to raise $100,000 to put together this divorce
00:05:29.700 documentary, and we just hit the $37,000 mark. Yes, guys, $50 15 hours ago from
00:05:39.920 Juan, Ignatio, $10, Anonymous, $10.
00:05:44.500 So thank you guys for getting it to the $37,000 mark.
00:05:47.740 Now we're almost to $40,000, which is pretty cool.
00:05:51.080 All Super Chats also go to the Divorce Documentary.
00:05:54.580 So today we're going to be reacting to Andrew Wilson.
00:05:57.880 I'm talking about the Sidney Sweeney debate.
00:06:02.400 Andrew Wilson, Sidney Sweeney.
00:06:05.680 And so basically, there was a tweet that was put out there.
00:06:09.920 saying that Sidney Sweeney is somehow involved in racist campaigns.
00:06:19.180 And it's just amazing how much society does not like when a pretty blonde girl,
00:06:28.520 how much they hate pretty blonde women.
00:06:31.300 I do not know why.
00:06:32.260 I do not get it.
00:06:36.140 All right, let's see.
00:06:37.340 So apparently there's like white supremacy over an ad.
00:06:42.280 So let's, let's watch this.
00:06:46.680 Oh my gosh.
00:06:53.040 Okay.
00:06:53.340 well everything nazism say everybody's a nazi except for the actual nazis historically we have
00:07:00.820 only normalized white people and so we've made white women's white women's bodies the norm why
00:07:06.240 can't you have good genes sydney sweeney is a sex symbol she is a young hot woman that is all this
00:07:12.680 ad is about american eagles sydney sweeney has great genes campaign has unleashed a hitlerian
00:07:19.620 hysteria not seen since the U.S. election. In case you'd be living under a rock this week,
00:07:24.280 this is what the fuss is about. Genes are passed down from parents to offspring,
00:07:29.660 often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color.
00:07:36.880 My genes are blue. Sidney Stweeney, Casper Jeans.
00:07:45.340 She's got a banging body. She's got a great body.
00:07:49.620 well half of the adverse viewers see a cheeky ad with an attractive actress flogging jeans
00:08:05.980 the other half apparently see a subliminal propaganda campaign for eugenics fascism
00:08:12.440 eugenics you've got to be kidding me and white supremacy with a dash of nazis thrown in for the
00:08:20.420 mix those sydney sweeney american eagle ads are weird like fascist weird did american eagle just
00:08:27.580 run an ad for eugenics the attractive white woman with blonde hair blue eyes is talking about just
00:08:33.300 her just the gene she gets from american eagle see a blonde haired blue-eyed white woman and think
00:08:37.980 that is an all-american woman that is the exact problem with this advertisement hey american eagle
00:08:43.800 now do black and brown women hey you are there's so many it's like how many ads do you guys want
00:08:51.600 there's so many ads with black and brown women you know i don't even like
00:08:59.160 do you know what i mean it's like how many
00:09:02.540 we put a blonde girl and they're getting mad go to america eagle oh i can't go in there because
00:09:10.880 i'm black all right that's a bit of an exaggeration i think we should just start
00:09:16.140 shaming them instead you are an embarrassment sydney sweeney it's all just excitable people
00:09:20.940 on social media who are losing their minds on this one even good morning america is wondering
00:09:26.440 whether sydney's great genes may herald the onset of a new fourth reich we begin with the
00:09:31.900 backlash over a new ad campaign featuring actress sydney sweeney yeah the ads are for american eagle
00:09:36.860 and the tagline is sydney sweeney has great genes now in one ad the blonde-haired blue-eyed actress
00:09:42.440 talks about genes as in dna being passed down from her parents okay she's hot though i mean
00:09:48.660 you could say that about beyonce or something you know i mean it's just a on words is being
00:09:57.200 compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones.
00:10:02.320 So is Sydney Sweeney the new poster girl for white supremacy, or is it all, as one commentator
00:10:07.960 put it, just ugly girl jealousy?
00:10:10.880 Well, turning to my panel now, I'm away from my usual studio, working on a slight delay,
00:10:16.000 so I begin with a polite request for everyone to take it in turns and allow the audience
00:10:20.420 to enjoy all of your insights.
00:10:22.460 I'm joined by Jedidiah Beeler, the host of the Jedidiah Beeler Show, by the conservative influencer, Deborah Lee, academic and host of BET News, Mark Lamont Hill, and the author of Cultural Intelligence for Marketers, Dr. Anastasia Gabrielle.
00:10:41.500 Well, welcome to all of you.
00:10:43.500 Okay, let me start with you, Dr. Anastasia.
00:10:46.940 What's your problem with this ad?
00:10:48.480 I mean, I just saw Sidney Sweeney, looking hot, selling jeans.
00:10:53.420 What memo didn't I get? I would love to live in a world where more people would have the privilege
00:10:59.340 to look at this ad and simply see an ad for great genes. But that's not the world that we live in.
00:11:05.500 And we live in the world that is marked with a lot of cultural baggage. So when I saw this ad
00:11:11.100 as a marketer, somebody who works with agencies and brands on issues of culture and cultural
00:11:15.420 relevance, I was frankly angered. And the reason for that is that the ad is racist and eugenics
00:11:22.780 coded. And I have to be clear that when I say that, I don't mean to talk about the intent
00:11:28.220 of the creators behind this ad, but rather the impact that it has on audiences and particularly
00:11:33.260 on younger audiences. And here we need to remember that the target audience of American Eagle
00:11:38.100 is the most racially and ethnically diverse consumer group in the history of the United
00:11:45.300 States. And somebody who has spent a lot of time studying semiotics and the way that meaning is
00:11:51.460 encoded in various forms of media and cultural artifacts, it becomes very clear to me that when
00:11:56.920 we take apart this particular ad campaign, it marries certain concepts and certain words
00:12:04.120 that carry cultural baggage for people. And if that wasn't enough, we can go back and look to
00:12:10.420 the source material for this particular campaign, which is a Calvin Klein ad from 1980 that uses
00:12:17.500 very explicitly the same kind of rhetoric of, and even more so rather, dramatically natural
00:12:23.540 selection, survival of the fittest, selective mating, the superiority of dominant groups,
00:12:32.340 et cetera. And from a perspective of media and cultural studies, when we look at this particular
00:12:37.700 campaign, we can see how meaning travels from the source of inspiration to this particular
00:12:43.780 narrative structure that we see in this ad. And so it is no surprise to me that it was picked up
00:12:49.460 by audiences that reacted in the way that they did. And research shows, even though,
00:12:55.060 obviously, Gen Z are in themselves a diverse group, they're also generally, on average,
00:13:01.140 more progressive leaning, and of course, chronically online.
00:13:04.340 Crazy.
00:13:05.340 You mean crazy?
00:13:06.340 Anastasia?
00:13:07.340 Anastasia, we haven't had you on our sensor before.
00:13:12.420 I didn't really understand a word of what you just said.
00:13:15.380 Thank you.
00:13:16.380 Are you this much fun at parties or do you have a different persona there?
00:13:19.900 I would love it if you weren't disrespectful to me.
00:13:22.620 It's a pleasure to join you today.
00:13:24.620 Gaslighting.
00:13:26.160 That's what we do.
00:13:27.160 It's like our default.
00:13:28.620 Our default is gaslighting, yep.
00:13:32.800 And I look forward to exchanging opinions.
00:13:34.860 Oh wait, where's Andrew Wilson isn't in this one, am I in the wrong one?
00:13:42.120 Okay, Andrew Wilson, Sydney Sweeney.
00:13:50.180 I am so sorry, okay, I thought it was, oh, it's this one.
00:13:58.580 bad my bad guys i don't know woman and me you want these people to destroy your theology if you're
00:14:03.860 catholic sir they're going after your theology what am i what am i missing um andrew wilson sydney
00:14:12.820 sweeney on pierce morgan okay hold on wait take my screen off for a second because i think it was
00:14:22.580 texted to me earlier so just i don't want another wait here get a life oh no that's not it
00:14:36.660 i wanted to see one with andrew today okay guys you you vote uh i guess i thought andrew was in
00:14:43.540 this. I guess he's not. I was frankly angered. Natural selection, survival of the fittest,
00:14:54.260 selective mating, the superiority of... I think TV just picks stupid people,
00:15:02.500 so it's more entertaining. Oh my God.
00:15:05.460 okay uh marlon hill let's go let's look at an earlier american eagle ad which was in the middle
00:15:16.020 of the whole me too campaign and stuff um do you have any problem with the lady on the left there
00:15:23.860 do i have a problem with her no i don't have a problem with her yeah i don't have a problem
00:15:28.500 You're not offended by that image.
00:15:31.000 I'm not.
00:15:32.680 Fascinating.
00:15:33.860 No, no, no.
00:15:34.400 You do have a problem with the woman on the right.
00:15:36.020 No, no, no, no, no.
00:15:37.100 Hold on.
00:15:38.040 Two things.
00:15:38.520 One, you specifically said, let's not interrupt each other.
00:15:40.400 And I haven't been able to articulate one sentence yet.
00:15:42.620 And I've been interrupted twice.
00:15:43.600 So let's follow your own rules.
00:15:45.360 No, I want to.
00:15:45.920 I'm not offended by the woman on the left.
00:15:48.160 Let me complete the sentence.
00:15:50.460 I am not offended by the woman on the left, nor am I offended by the woman on the right.
00:15:54.580 Like the aha that you're going for isn't there because I'm saying I am not offended by each
00:15:58.680 of the women.
00:15:59.520 What I am, please, I'm asking respectfully, allow me to finish a thought.
00:16:03.400 Two people have spoken uninterrupted for three minutes.
00:16:05.080 I haven't gotten 10 seconds out.
00:16:07.000 What I'm saying is, the problem is not either woman.
00:16:11.440 The problem is how we're narrating the commercial.
00:16:14.680 That's what people are concerned about.
00:16:16.560 Several things have been said that I'd like to respond to in direct response to what you're
00:16:20.020 asking me, Piers.
00:16:20.840 The first thing, and I'm glad the last woman who spoke mentioned that she's Jewish because
00:16:24.340 think that's really important historically there have been lots of anti-semitic uh images
00:16:31.140 narratives tropes that are used that non-jews don't how could you let an ad affect your life
00:16:44.020 i i don't understand it i don't see and many times someone will say oh wait a minute they
00:16:49.780 They showed that person playing into the cabal narrative.
00:16:54.040 They showed this person as a rodent, or they showed this person with changing their name
00:16:58.180 to this or that.
00:16:59.400 And the average person may not intend to be anti-Semitic, although some people are anti-Semitic,
00:17:04.440 but it's still there and Jews recognize it.
00:17:06.400 So I don't want to presume that because a white person doesn't see it, that that means
00:17:11.120 that it can't be racist.
00:17:13.340 Or if a black person doesn't see—you know what I'm saying?
00:17:15.520 We have to think about this on all levels from multiple audiences.
00:17:18.600 used the word normal and talked about it in the context of this white woman. White women are
00:17:23.160 normal, but so are other people. The problem is, historically, we have only normalized white people,
00:17:29.560 and so we've made white women's bodies, white male bodies, the norm, and we've made everything
00:17:34.880 else less human, less beautiful, less real. And so when we say good genes are the ones that-
00:17:40.400 What a load of crap. Honestly, I'm sorry, Mark. If I may jump in on my own show,
00:17:46.400 what a load of crap I saw Beyonce do a jeans ad everybody drooled over it
00:17:52.280 that's what I mean why do you there's some people that just shouldn't have
00:18:05.300 microphones I loved it thought she looked hot but she did right I mean what
00:18:11.400 you talking about man this is can you imagine he's employed for his opinions he's paid
00:18:17.480 pierce morgan pays he's paid for this and there's people that are subject matter experts
00:18:23.400 and like academics and i'm pierce morgan they have like a
00:18:29.720 this guy and then a bunch of blonde e-girls
00:18:33.960 and then some Jewish lady that can't do a coherent thought, it's like, all right.
00:18:41.660 That's a great question. Let me ask you a great question. Does Sydney Sweeney,
00:18:45.560 does Sydney Sweeney have bad genes? Yes or no?
00:18:50.400 No, I don't think she has bad genes.
00:18:52.580 Does she have good genes? Does she have good genes?
00:18:56.580 No. Again, you're trying for these gotchas.
00:18:59.680 So she doesn't have good or bad genes?
00:19:01.960 The whole point is to argue that good and bad genes itself is a bad idea.
00:19:06.320 It's a racist idea.
00:19:06.920 Why can't you have good genes, Mark?
00:19:08.260 Why is it racist?
00:19:10.400 Why can't you?
00:19:12.800 They just pay him to argue with him.
00:19:17.280 Sometimes they just put like dumb people on shows just to argue with him.
00:19:22.120 Why can't you have good genes?
00:19:26.140 I'm going to respond and I'm going to hope that you don't interrupt me as I answer.
00:19:30.600 OK, because, again, no one else has been interrupted except the people who disagree with you.
00:19:34.220 What I'm saying is still the word you listen, listen, listen.
00:19:38.260 The word eugenics literally means good genes.
00:19:40.480 It literally means that etymologically.
00:19:42.540 The point here is to judge human beings based on their genes that you decide that you have good genes and you have bad genes isn't in and of itself a racist project.
00:19:50.980 That's the point. So, no, it's not that I think that I have good genes and you can't say anyone else has good genes.
00:19:54.960 I'm saying, let's get rid of the good genes narrative, particularly when it's based on hair
00:19:58.720 and eyes and body type. Why? Because those things are racially coded. In other words,
00:20:05.020 if I say that straight hair is good genes or blonde hair is good genes, and no, I'm not after
00:20:09.120 watching an ad, Googling someone to figure out their natural roots. You'd be shocked to know
00:20:12.400 how many people don't do that. If I'm doing these things and I see blue, your eye color and your
00:20:17.100 hair as a sign of your good genes, then that means someone who has a different hair or eye color
00:20:21.020 doesn't have good genes. And if you, the last thing I'll say is if you look historically
00:20:24.060 at ads. It doesn't though, does it? Calm down. Calm down. It doesn't actually mean that.
00:20:30.380 No, no, no. Hang on. Hang on. No, no. I will speak on my own show. So just calm down.
00:20:35.940 I'm asking you not to be condescending. Stop being so precious. My instruction about shouting
00:20:40.640 was between the three, four of you, not me. It's my show. I do what I like.
00:20:45.200 Yes, I don't care if it's your show here. If you interrupt me in the first minute,
00:20:48.600 it's bad form. I'm saying that if you let the guests who agreed with you talk for three minutes,
00:20:52.500 then don't allow me to talk for more than one second you literally didn't let me finish the
00:20:55.600 first you have he's crashing out he is crashing out it's such when you're in these environments
00:21:03.020 it's such like um it's such a weird setting i kind of hate so i don't really take these panels
00:21:10.060 anymore because i just hate talking like that i want to talk to you like a normal person
00:21:15.920 you know i don't want to talk to you like this scripted monologues i want to like have a back
00:21:22.120 and forth and understand where you're coming from. Literally, you have literally done more
00:21:27.680 talking than all three other guests put together multiple by two or three. So call your precious
00:21:35.280 Jeff. Call your precious Jeff. At this point, it was at the first 10 seconds. My point was just
00:21:40.060 to interrupt me in the first 10 seconds. Can you calm down? I'm not angry. I'm talking over you.
00:21:47.640 Right. I have blue eyes, right? I also have good genes, particularly on my mother's side,
00:21:54.640 because my skin is surprisingly good for a personal age, because my mother's side
00:21:59.060 all had good skin. You got a problem with that?
00:22:05.720 Mom? Is that for me? You got a problem with that? Yes. If I say I've got good genes from my mother
00:22:11.120 because I have good skin and I've got blue eyes, so what?
00:22:15.360 So what color eyes are bad genes?
00:22:18.980 If someone has bad genes, what would their hair or skin look like?
00:22:21.180 I don't think any are bad.
00:22:22.500 I didn't see anybody from American Eagle saying that anybody else is bad.
00:22:26.060 No one said anything.
00:22:27.100 No one, no one.
00:22:27.980 Just to be clear.
00:22:29.060 Hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:22:31.980 He's rewarded for being an emotional man.
00:22:35.940 It's unfortunate.
00:22:37.500 Nobody from American Eagle was making any comparison.
00:22:40.780 Nobody said somebody else's eye color or skin color was wrong or bad or anything negative.
00:22:48.780 All they said in an amusing pun is that Sidney Sweeney has good genes and is wearing great jeans.
00:22:56.940 That's it. There was no negative about anybody else.
00:23:00.640 And here's why I disagree with that, because if I were to stand on here and say, oh, she's from a good background, she's Gentile.
00:23:07.000 Then we would all say, well, wait a minute. I didn't compare to anybody else.
00:23:10.360 No, by saying that Gentiles, the good background, I would be implicitly saying that the others are not.
00:23:14.900 If I say I have a good body, I'm skinny, then I'm saying that other bodies are not good.
00:23:19.600 It's an implicit comparison, but it's not out of context.
00:23:22.380 Historically in this country and in the West, we've always said that white bodies are more beautiful.
00:23:26.320 So it's not like we're coming out of nowhere.
00:23:28.060 This is not a Zeus's head.
00:23:29.340 We're starting from a place where we've already presumed white.
00:23:32.000 I actually think black women have the best bodies.
00:23:35.020 I really do.
00:23:36.480 They just that that waist to hip ratio.
00:23:38.780 i do think blonde women have the best like um features here sometimes blonde women a lot of
00:23:45.840 blonde women have nose jobs so i don't think they normally like they kind of have the crooked
00:23:51.360 like nowadays most women it's so common to get nose jobs i like latina do you see what i mean
00:23:59.180 i feel like there's different things that each race has that look really good i've heard jewish
00:24:05.160 women are really pretty i've never i've never i only know one or two but i've heard there i've
00:24:10.800 heard the girls in israel are like beautiful have spent the last 10 years the last 10 years
00:24:17.800 if you look at all of the marketing campaigns all we have done how many segments on television about
00:24:23.360 the elevation of obesity you see people who are massive that you now we're saying it's a good
00:24:28.060 thing right it's great let's celebrate everyone who's unhealthy and obese if this ad was an
00:24:34.060 African-American, if this ad was a Hispanic girl, no one would be saying a peep. Frankly, I think
00:24:39.460 if this ad was a white girl like me with brown hair, brown eyes, I got a little Spanish in me,
00:24:44.560 I got a little Italian in me, I'm Sicilian, I got some African in me, I don't think anyone would be
00:24:48.320 saying anything either. This is utterly ridiculous. The only people who are offended by this ad are
00:24:53.560 people who choose to be offended by everything. Either you choose to see racism in everything,
00:24:59.040 or you choose to see sexism or misogyny. I noticed that a whole lot of women online were
00:25:03.880 mad about this ad because they were jealous. It was so obvious. Now they're saying that this woman
00:25:08.720 is against the body positivity campaign because she's skinny. So let's just say the truth. Sydney
00:25:13.980 Sweeney is a sex symbol. She is a young, hot woman. She is objectively attractive. That is all this ad
00:25:20.580 was about. Now, why has the stock skyrocketed for this company? The reason this ad has done so well
00:25:26.820 is yes, because it creates controversy and we all talk about it and we debate and American Eagle is
00:25:30.500 very smart and they knew that, but also because there is a growing segment of the population
00:25:34.340 just like me that is saying that is so tired of walking on eggshells to cater to people
00:25:39.800 like Mark's sensitivities.
00:25:41.320 Frankly, I don't care if you're offended.
00:25:43.420 You can put an ad out and offend this person over here or that person over there.
00:25:47.460 Everyone is always going to get offended by something.
00:25:50.020 Who cares?
00:25:50.800 Here's the bottom line.
00:25:51.760 Stop getting so offended.
00:25:52.860 If you see everything through the lens of race, that's your problem.
00:25:56.220 That's not Sidney Sweeney's problem.
00:25:57.980 I agree with Jedediah.
00:25:58.940 Yeah. Getting offended, the way I think, even if somebody's insulting you in your face
00:26:06.440 and yelling at you and screaming, getting offended says more about you than them
00:26:13.340 because their anger is their problem, but your anger is also your problem.
00:26:18.880 That's not American Eagle's problem. If you see everything through the lens of misogyny,
00:26:22.460 it's the same conversation over and over again.
00:26:25.440 You know what? Hang on. Don't all talk at once. Don't all talk at once. No, I'm going to come to Anastasia. Anastasia, here's the problem. The Democrats have just polled at record loads. Right. They are incredibly unpopular.
00:26:40.620 And I can tell you one of the reasons why. It's things like this. The reason Donald Trump got reelected is partly the economy, partly immigration, but also partly the culture wars, which the liberal left, the woke left, tried so dementedly to fuel and fire for so many years, behaving like a bunch of insane fascists.
00:27:04.920 And it comes down to stuff like this, where most people watch this ad and see it for what
00:27:09.920 it is, a harmless ad with a hot actress selling jeans.
00:27:13.520 But in the prism of the woke left, which I assume you would identify as, but correct
00:27:18.680 me if I'm wrong, you look at it and see it as an obvious example of Nazism, eugenics,
00:27:25.240 white supremacy, and you hate it and despise it.
00:27:28.860 And anyone who likes it must be cancelled.
00:27:31.940 And that's the problem with the woke left.
00:27:35.540 That's why nobody wants to vote for anyone who identifies with the woke left.
00:27:39.580 That's why Trump won.
00:27:41.660 And no one on the left in the woke left seems to understand that it's exactly this kind
00:27:46.380 of thing that is the reason that nobody wants to vote for it.
00:27:50.460 Over to you.
00:27:51.460 Yeah, I hear where you're coming from.
00:27:55.140 And I think that kind of strong narratives between, you know, woke left kind of hijacking
00:28:00.960 everything is part of a narrative of labeling people and not allowing nuance and context of
00:28:07.100 what is actually happening here. So I'm not really interested in being inflammatory around
00:28:11.240 the subject. Neither do I think that this particular campaign is a propaganda campaign
00:28:16.300 for eugenics. But I am interested in thinking about the power of media and representation in
00:28:21.340 our culture and what it means for somebody who engages with this ad who doesn't look like me.
00:28:26.660 And as a marketer, I know that actually it is American Eagle's problem that that is a reaction of their customer base, which is younger people and particularly younger girls.
00:28:38.940 And as a marketer, I know it's a responsibility of the brand to understand their audience, to understand their worldview, the way that they form their associations and connect with them.
00:28:49.100 Women just say a lot of words, but say nothing, nothing at all.
00:28:53.040 Speak to them in a way that resonates.
00:28:55.760 So it's absolutely...
00:28:56.440 Well, let me respond to that.
00:28:58.920 Today's show is brought to you by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day, and found out one
00:29:04.740 model was pictured wearing a colostomy bag, another was photographed with her arm in crutches,
00:29:09.360 one woman posed in her wheelchair, and it did nothing for sales.
00:29:13.160 So from a marketing point of view, it didn't work.
00:29:16.820 Now you have a hot woman who is none of those things, who is just a hot woman like the old
00:29:23.820 advertising used to use all the time, along with hot men. I remember the Calvin Klein
00:29:28.420 gene ads with men. Yeah. You know, I want to go to a movie or see a models and I want them to
00:29:35.800 make me feel bad about myself. I want to look at them and say, wow, I am not shit. And that's how
00:29:40.900 I used to feel as a kid. But nowadays, I guess it's kind of nice. Women complain so much that
00:29:46.240 they're putting ugly people as models. What a time. Topless selling buckets of jeans. And guess
00:29:53.800 what? Sales are up 30%. So you as a marketer should say, well done, American Eagle. You've
00:30:00.160 stopped being ridiculously woke, trying to sell to very small groups of people and ignoring the
00:30:07.140 mass majority who are going to buy your jeans. And now you've gone route one using sex and
00:30:12.760 femininity to sell jeans. And by the way, they don't care if she's white or black or anything
00:30:18.720 else. They just care that she's hot. And Beyonce sold jeans. That was a great campaign. That worked
00:30:25.360 really well because she's a hot black woman. And the moment you try and read in all this other
00:30:30.320 stuff, I mean, you say you don't want to be inflammatory. You literally said it was one of
00:30:34.620 the most outrageously racist marketing campaigns ever. What could be more inflammatory than that?
00:30:40.720 Well, let me correct you, Pierce. I feel like this is just like
00:30:43.480 a twitter space argument in real life it's like people arguing over nothing i said that i've seen
00:30:51.400 in recent years i'm very careful with my words so i did not paint this picture of this being a racist
00:30:57.060 ad you know ever but i do think and i think i've explained the way that representation works and
00:31:02.480 the way that i see it working within this ad um now i would love to see the evidence for the 30
00:31:07.820 sales spike i personally have not seen it neither i have seen you know anyone in the marketing
00:31:12.440 community share it. So I would love to see it and the source for that. However, there is a question
00:31:19.640 of ethics and there is a question of ethical guardrails in marketing. I understand that in
00:31:25.860 2020 or whenever, brands were responding to the cultural moment of post-2020 impulse to increase
00:31:33.080 representation, diversity, et cetera. And perhaps those campaigns were not commercially successful.
00:31:38.640 Now, do I think that commercial outcomes justify any kind of campaign that implies anything out there just because it drives sales?
00:31:48.340 Well, no.
00:31:48.760 As a marketer, I am interested in driving business results.
00:31:52.780 Can you imagine?
00:31:54.380 There's people starving right now, watching people complain about an ad.
00:32:00.380 There's people dying in other countries.
00:32:02.880 They're like in war zones.
00:32:05.660 And what gets airtime is an ad.
00:32:07.240 on top of this this is a low cut top for tv women just have the audacity
00:32:12.260 she's beautiful to be honest she's a very pretty woman i see why she's there she's barely talked
00:32:19.880 she doesn't have to right that's an upper tier e-girl in terms of looks i would put her as like
00:32:27.140 whoever this is that's i deem her the new hottest e-girl on the right i deem her but also thinking
00:32:33.540 about the ethics of representation and what kind of messages are young girls and children, frankly,
00:32:40.040 consuming when they log on to their Instagram or TikTok and keep swiping. And again, I said,
00:32:45.900 I take more balanced approach to this. I do not think it was intentional propaganda,
00:32:50.520 as I have already said, but I do think that there are some codes within this marketing media
00:32:56.720 communications, which is a unit of media that are concerning in the way that they are implying
00:33:02.520 that good, great genes are represented by someone like Sweeney.
00:33:08.540 Now, other co-panelists mentioned, if another particular model of other kind of background
00:33:16.900 or maybe multiple models were featured, there's likely would not be an uproar.
00:33:21.180 And that is because that kind of messaging carries cultural baggage, as I've mentioned.
00:33:27.080 What is cultural baggage?
00:33:28.920 I'm German and Irish. What would be my cultural baggage is reflective of the history of racism
00:33:37.720 in this country? Because she's white and got blue eyes. Is that why? Because the verbal cues
00:33:52.340 surrounding this terminology that carries a lot of cultural weight, such as offspring,
00:33:57.600 gray jeans, are paired with these other signifiers that are very specific, blue, blue eyes, blonde
00:34:05.240 skin, et cetera. And you have to understand that this is just a reality of how our brains work.
00:34:10.560 We move for life and we develop these conceptual and mental maps.
00:34:13.920 So you don't like it because she's white and got blue eyes. All right.
00:34:16.640 That's not why, though.
00:34:17.880 That is very dismissive.
00:34:18.940 Hang on, hang on.
00:34:20.280 Yeah, because if it was a black girl, they wouldn't care. They'd be like, yes, queen,
00:34:23.520 especially if she was fat if she was fat she would be on like the cover of a magazine
00:34:29.020 hang on hang on we're gonna go in the right order i'm gonna ask deborah lee deborah lee i mean
00:34:36.660 ultimately we got to the real problem she's white and got blue eyes since when was that a crime to
00:34:42.280 use a white blue-eyed woman who's hot and an actress to sell products happens all the time
00:34:48.900 as it does with black actresses all the time.
00:34:54.400 I'd say somewhere in the last five to six years,
00:34:56.960 the oldest marketing ploy from the beginning of time is sex sells.
00:35:00.680 Every single person knows that.
00:35:02.160 And the problem with the left and everybody who's offended by this
00:35:04.520 is they extrapolate.
00:35:05.680 It's not just this situation.
00:35:07.160 They hear somebody say, I love being thin.
00:35:09.320 And they go, oh, so you hate fat people?
00:35:11.880 Sydney Sweeney's saying she has good genes,
00:35:14.000 which there's a lot that goes into having good genes we don't know about.
00:35:16.400 Maybe she doesn't have any history of family illness.
00:35:18.140 Maybe she has very low visceral fat.
00:35:19.920 Like you said, Piers, great skin, didn't need braces.
00:35:22.300 It's much more than just having blonde hair and blue eyes, okay?
00:35:26.000 But to say that Sidney Sweeney has good genes means now we're saying that all these other
00:35:29.540 people don't have good genes.
00:35:31.180 Relax.
00:35:31.760 Why do you have to always get offended by every single thing?
00:35:34.040 Nobody's saying that.
00:35:35.240 And let's just go back to, what was it, Abercrombie that had the shirtless models outside of all
00:35:40.100 of their offices?
00:35:41.120 It's the same people that are offended by the Sidney Sweeney ad that were dreaming and
00:35:44.460 praying to end up with one of those shirtless models.
00:35:46.680 Society has progressed too far in the sense where now every single person needs everything to find value.
00:35:54.000 OK, Marla Monhill, I remember a model called Tess Holliday being the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine.
00:36:00.740 She was 305 pounds and five foot two.
00:36:04.860 And the whole piece was about how incredibly empowering this was and what an example of body positivity it was.
00:36:12.320 when in fact, it was an unbelievably dangerous promotion of morbid obesity. That's what it was.
00:36:20.180 Because if you're 305 pounds at five foot two, you are dangerously fat and you are more likely
00:36:26.160 than not to die from the repercussions of being that size. And yet the woke left went, look at
00:36:32.200 this. Isn't this fantastic? And yet here you have a model who's not super slim, Sydney Sweeney.
00:36:39.440 She's got a very rounded, normal body, right?
00:36:43.740 She's not like a stick insect supermodel.
00:36:46.340 And she looks hot and she's wearing jeans and she happens to be white and happens to have blue eyes.
00:36:53.460 To try and turn this into a racial thing or to compare it to the Nazis, even by woke standards, seems to me ridiculous.
00:37:03.880 OK, first, just for clarity, Sidney Sweeney is a size zero.
00:37:09.140 So even when we say that someone is a normal size, that suggests that the-
00:37:15.540 Yeah, but what's wrong with being a size zero? It's better than being a size 14,
00:37:20.020 which is like the average dress size of American women.
00:37:22.580 The average person is a size zero. The average person, the average woman in this country is not.
00:37:27.140 So at all moments when we make these observations that seem neutral,
00:37:31.060 we're actually assigning a value. So if I am a size eight as a woman,
00:37:35.460 and you just said on national TV is the most important, coolest, most handsome host in the
00:37:40.740 history of television. If you say that it's normal to be a size zero, then yeah, when I'm a size eight,
00:37:45.780 now I feel like something's wrong with my body. Similarly. So she doesn't look normal to you,
00:37:51.760 Sydney Sweeney? She looks normal. 38 seconds, by the way, for interruption. Great. You're on a new
00:37:57.760 record. I think she looks normal. Wow, you're really touchy today. I think. Okay, Pierce is
00:38:04.680 kind of gaslighting this guy. I hate it. I've gone on the opposite panels and they don't let
00:38:09.560 you talk. I've had, you know, similar experiences. Teasing your peers. I'm just very, very upset
00:38:15.480 about, uh, about the world, you know, and I need a hug from you and you're not, you're not in the
00:38:20.280 studio with me. Um, well, there are more important things to be worried about than Sidney bloody
00:38:24.380 Sweeney. Trust me. Honestly, there is war raging around the world. There is famine, right? And
00:38:32.420 And you're getting your, you're getting your knickers in a massive twist about Sidney Sweeney.
00:38:37.000 That's actually where I'm, that's actually where I'm going, right? I mean, this conversation
00:38:40.460 started with. How did you know her dress size, but not her hair color? Because I just Googled
00:38:45.140 it when he said it and it comes up because I just typed Sidney Sweeney dress size and it says Sidney
00:38:49.640 Sweeney typically wears a size 23, which is equivalent to US size zero. I looked it up to
00:38:54.240 make an argument while he was talking. Google is amazing in that way. I had no desire to do it with
00:38:58.360 the ad because it wasn't my point. As a scholar, my point was to see how the audience receives
00:39:02.880 something, not how I, at a meta level, can look at something. She's not a size zero, by the way.
00:39:07.760 She's definitely not. As a woman, she's not a size zero.
00:39:12.580 Yeah, I would have guessed like a four. Zero. No. Do you know what? She might be because
00:39:17.480 they've been making the sizes bigger for fat women because fat women can't cope. They keep
00:39:22.380 getting fatter. And so instead of losing weight, they make the sizes. They like inflate the sizes.
00:39:29.720 So now I'd like to respond to the actual point. I can see whatever size she is. My point is to
00:39:36.040 say any woman has a normal size. It assigns a value. And I'm not saying white guilt is millennial
00:39:41.240 BS. I'm saying we're always articulating values when we say things. Putting a 300 pound woman on
00:39:49.180 a, on a, on a cover is not in and of itself a problem. If I put a 300 pound woman on a cover
00:39:54.300 and say, that's the healthy body, I'm implicitly saying that other bodies are not. And to your
00:39:58.980 point, I think that might be problematic at the beginning of this conversation. Debra,
00:40:02.980 I think your name is Debra. Forgive me for, if I, if I got your name wrong. Um, I think
00:40:06.320 you, he's even polite to the hottie. He would bitch out Jedediah, but the hot girl, like,
00:40:13.420 look at her look at her she's so pretty he's he's the the men are charmed that's why we we start to
00:40:20.640 hate these young broads i mean i hate her you know what i mean because i gotta go through all this
00:40:26.980 work of being nice and like you know learning to debate and all this stuff look at her look at that
00:40:32.640 smile look i mean she looks beautiful it's like yeah screw you uh the river to the sea right the
00:40:42.580 river to the sea is not in and of itself. Those words to me are not genocidal. I know they're
00:40:47.480 not genocidal, but to you, you hear it differently. Why? Because you're looking at history. You're
00:40:53.040 looking at context. You're looking at intent. You're looking at action and you're making a
00:40:58.040 different judgment. Your judgment's wrong. That statement is absolutely not Gaza needs to be free.
00:41:02.520 No, it's not. It comes from the literal charter. From the river to the sea, we must genocide all
00:41:07.580 Jews. So no, I'm not looking at context. I'm looking at the literal Hamas charter and what
00:41:12.240 these people believe. That would be context. Okay. Again, allow me to finish. I never interrupted
00:41:15.600 you. The Hamas charter would be context. That's my point. You're looking, you're not looking just
00:41:20.600 at the words. You're looking at other pieces of evidence. That's called context. You're
00:41:23.880 literally making my point. My point to you is- Because words have meaning. Words don't just
00:41:27.820 mean nothing. I'll let you ask your question. And so do, listen to me. Words do have meaning
00:41:33.720 and the meaning isn't just about literal decoding. It's also about the meanings that are encoded
00:41:39.020 into words. It's about the history. It's about other factors. And I'm telling you,
00:41:43.580 the same way you're telling me as a Jewish person, there are certain words, certain images,
00:41:47.160 certain tropes that impact you because of the history of anti-Semitism. I'm telling you that
00:41:51.220 that same history of anti-white supremacy that makes anti-Semitism so ugly also makes anti-Black
00:41:56.560 racism so ugly. I didn't tell you I was offended by this argument. You keep saying—you said get
00:42:00.620 a job and stop being offended. I think we all have jobs
00:42:02.760 here, and I don't think any of us are offended, per se.
00:42:05.240 I wasn't speaking just to you.
00:42:06.640 I was speaking to the people offended by this.
00:42:09.500 If you have time to sit and make
00:42:10.560 TikTok videos complaining about a woman in an ad,
00:42:12.780 you probably don't have bigger things to care about.
00:42:14.660 I like that
00:42:16.800 comment. I like her. She's spicy
00:42:18.820 too. She's got
00:42:20.780 a little sass. There's much bigger
00:42:22.660 problems. I agree.
00:42:24.600 Let me bring in Jedediah
00:42:26.520 for the final word on this.
00:42:28.820 Jedediah, it seems to me,
00:42:29.840 You know, if I honestly, if I was running a marketing campaign for a big company now
00:42:34.360 involved in, I don't know, leisure or beauty or fashion, whatever, I would just be deliberately
00:42:39.820 goading the woke left now in a smart, funny way.
00:42:44.160 I would just do it.
00:42:44.660 I would do it all the time.
00:42:47.400 I would let them throw all their toys out of a stroller and then just increase sales
00:42:51.500 and just laugh my head off.
00:42:53.060 Because this censorious, puritanical bullshit is over.
00:42:58.080 I've written a book called Woke is Dead, which is coming out in October.
00:43:02.560 I think it'll be a massive bestseller because you know what?
00:43:05.440 People are sick of it.
00:43:07.200 They are sick of being told what they can laugh at, what they can admire.
00:43:12.820 They're sick of being told they can't look at a beautiful white woman without being accused of being a Nazi.
00:43:18.000 It's ridiculous.
00:43:19.420 You are 100 percent correct.
00:43:21.020 and every company should do that because there is a group of woke leftists who are outraged by
00:43:26.700 just about everything that sit on the sidelines and they just wait. They wait for an opportunity
00:43:31.420 and then they jump and they go completely insane. And the vast majority of the country does not feel
00:43:36.960 that way. The vast majority of the country does not see everything through a lens of how they can
00:43:40.720 be offended. They looked at the ad, they saw a young hot girl, they said, oh, she does have good
00:43:44.700 genes. They laughed about it. They went and had a day. They went and had a normal day. They didn't
00:43:48.660 get all rancid inside. And the bottom line is, it's so interesting to me because
00:43:53.940 these people think they're, somehow these woke leftists think they're winning. They think that
00:43:58.440 by getting all riled up, they are winning the game and they don't realize that they're constantly
00:44:02.680 Well, you know the irony, you know the irony, Jedediah? Here's the irony. The irony is in their
00:44:09.440 attempt to portray everybody as white supremacists, the woke left have an inbuilt
00:44:15.660 superiority complex. They think they are better and superior to everybody else, right? And it
00:44:22.820 doesn't matter whether the white left or white, black, whatever, but they haven't built superiority
00:44:26.620 and it is, and it is now I'm afraid it doesn't work because we've now seen Donald Trump get
00:44:32.160 reelected by defying everything they stood for. But not only that, Pierce, what's important to
00:44:37.620 note is that the people who created this ad were not creating a racist ad, but the people who saw
00:44:43.780 racism and eugenics and Nazism in this ad, maybe they should self-examine. Why do they see everything
00:44:49.600 through the lens of race? Why are they outraged by this ad with a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl,
00:44:54.560 but if you put, you know, a black girl, if you put a Spanish girl, there would be no outrage.
00:44:59.420 Why is everything that they see from the perspective of jumping into outrage?
00:45:03.780 No one ever argues that black, no one in the history of the West has ever argued that black
00:45:07.360 people have superior genes. The Enlightenment era was built on the human that black people
00:45:11.480 have superior genes. The impression aesthetics is good on the idea that wet people have superior
00:45:15.860 bodies. Every piece of aesthetics, of philosophy, of epistemology, every piece of Western thought
00:45:21.360 and action is— There has been a massive—hold on a second. There has been a massive battle
00:45:24.880 in this country about obesity for the longest time. You now have the condemnation of thin
00:45:30.280 people. You have the elevation of obese people. You have campaigns, Cosmopolitan magazine,
00:45:35.240 magazines across the country saying fat is healthy, fat is the new skinny, all the time.
00:45:41.180 No one says a peep.
00:45:42.660 People in your camp do not say a peep about that because it's not on the list of things
00:45:47.500 that outrages them.
00:45:48.860 This annoys all the right people.
00:45:50.880 This is a thin woman.
00:45:52.960 It annoys the fat girl.
00:45:53.600 I'm not talking about skinny.
00:45:54.700 Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.
00:45:55.160 Just hear me out.
00:45:55.780 I'm not talking about skinny.
00:45:56.860 It's the same conversation, Mark.
00:45:58.400 No, it's not.
00:45:58.700 You just happen to be outraged about something different today.
00:46:01.880 Today, it's about race and eugenics.
00:46:03.920 Tomorrow, it's about obesity.
00:46:05.580 There's always something for the woke left to be outraged about because they're always
00:46:09.000 offended.
00:46:09.440 They've always got their families in a bunch because they're so darn sensitive about everything.
00:46:13.880 They are not representative of the public.
00:46:16.680 So last word to you, Martha Monahill, otherwise you'll be reporting me.
00:46:20.520 I'm not outraged, number one.
00:46:21.660 And number two, I point out a history of white supremacist logics and cultures that show that white lives, white bodies, white experiences are better.
00:46:30.240 And you pointed to the recent—
00:46:32.620 This is not about history.
00:46:34.100 Please let me finish.
00:46:35.100 You pointed to the influx of fat people on ads as a piece of counter evidence.
00:46:39.940 I'm not disputing your argument about fat people.
00:46:42.200 I'm not disputing your argument about skinny people.
00:46:43.960 All I'm saying is that...
00:46:45.320 I know what you're saying.
00:46:46.940 You said it.
00:46:47.260 I'm saying, now let me say it.
00:46:48.380 I'm saying that there's a history of white people being superior in terms of how we understand them in this country.
00:46:54.020 So you're only mad at Sidney's wife.
00:46:55.900 You don't care about the good she's wife.
00:46:56.820 So let me ask you this question.
00:46:59.040 Let me ask you another question.
00:46:59.940 if so if a group of people had said hey i believe that this ad is anti-semitic would you have said
00:47:06.040 similarly get over yourself stop fighting anti-semitism everywhere yes yes i would say
00:47:12.080 would you say they're just cooking them they're just cooking this is the dumbest argument
00:47:23.100 i hate that this stuff gets views there's some stuff as a youtuber you have to cover
00:47:28.140 and you just think who cares
00:47:30.680 do you know what I mean you're like alright this is trending
00:47:32.900 I gotta do it
00:47:34.040 but who cares
00:47:36.380 if anything
00:47:38.740 I think Sidney Sweeney wasn't hot enough
00:47:40.540 I think we need to get Megan Fox's back
00:47:42.820 saying I would have done
00:47:44.640 we've got to leave it there
00:47:46.000 I think you're
00:47:48.760 consistent and wrong on all the issues
00:47:49.900 you're wrong all the time but you're consistent
00:47:52.020 alright let's see
00:47:54.340 I think there's one more debate panel
00:47:56.220 I wanted to see
00:47:57.100 let me see what the let me go to his page and see the most popular clips um
00:48:05.420 let's do this one why do you want these people to destroy your theology if you're catholic sir
00:48:11.740 they're going out of your theology on the public stage what is wrong with you you're not a catholic
00:48:16.460 you're a pretender what is wrong give me a break what is wrong with you that you're
00:48:20.700 sidney left ernest owens off the charts woke wow okay that just made me laugh i shouldn't
00:48:31.100 probably read that out but it was very funny that's how you're all seen that's a that's how
00:48:37.180 you're all seen and it made me chuckle um let's start with you andrew wilson so from a musical
00:48:42.780 perspective i've read a lot of reviews this morning about this uh full disclosure i'm good
00:48:47.580 friends with Andrew Lloyd Webber. I think he's a complete genius. Jesus Christ Superstar when
00:48:52.140 it came out in the 70s was deliberately designed to be very provocative as we know, but it's never
00:48:57.420 been as provocative as this performance. What is your response to it? I mean, from a musical
00:49:03.100 perspective, it's been heralded as a great triumph, but obviously many feel it's crossed a line.
00:49:09.820 Oh wait, I've seen that play. Oh my gosh, my friend directed this play.
00:49:17.580 think oh it's been heralded as a great triumph has it when are they going to do muhammad on ice
00:49:22.660 so what they do is they're banking on the fact that there is uh christian pacifism and that we
00:49:29.000 won't give the sorts of violent pushback that they would get if they were mocking other religions so
00:49:33.980 they kind of bank on that what this is is this is homosexual infiltration once again of the church
00:49:39.800 this is what they do this is all they do this is a glad award nose for otto looking chick and
00:49:45.480 here's what they did. They didn't just get everything wrong. They didn't even include
00:49:50.480 the resurrection, any of the Christian themes. The whole thing is a total mockery. And who cares?
00:49:56.540 It is kind of woke. Friend of mine directed it. So he's really cool, but yeah, it's pretty woke.
00:50:04.760 A bunch of liberal, you know, a bunch of liberals write up, oh, this was great. This was a musical
00:50:11.060 masterpiece. Of course they're going to say that. That's what they do. That's how propaganda works.
00:50:16.380 This entire thing was designed to attack Christianity, and it's always that way.
00:50:21.040 That's the way it always is. Ernest, I saw you perform one of the great eye rolls in Uncensored
00:50:27.200 History just then, but I do think Andrew has a point. There's absolutely zero chance that Hollywood
00:50:33.200 would have staged a musical like this, which openly mocked the tenets of Islam, for example.
00:50:41.060 I think that Jesus Christ Superstar and its creation, the whole title, the whole, if you
00:50:46.320 ever seen it, have you actually seen it, Andrew? Like, have you actually seen it? Everything that
00:50:50.580 you're saying would actually be argued that it's already been done. Like, no children are watching
00:50:57.540 this to learn about Christ. The type of people that you're thinking of that would be offended
00:51:03.120 by this would probably not even spend the kind of money to watch this show live and would not
00:51:08.980 have an interest to watch it just because they know that it is an adult themed musical that is
00:51:14.800 meant to be provocative since it was in its inception for decades. It's meant to mock
00:51:18.840 Christianity, right? I mean, you can say that. I find it be satirical. Yeah, it's meant to mock
00:51:25.520 Christianity. Just be honest about it. Just be honest and say, Andrew, it's meant to mock
00:51:29.860 Christianity. It's not for you Christians to watch. We're mocking you. That's what we're doing.
00:51:33.800 That's what the point is. Well, I mean, if you have a taste of satire and humor,
00:51:37.620 you i didn't think it was mocking when i saw it i can't remember being offended
00:51:45.300 i just remember the music was really good maybe it was a different one i don't know appreciate
00:51:50.420 that as a christian i think a lot of people who know cynthia rivo she sings gospel phenomenally
00:51:55.140 well she's an incredible singer and she's done several different types of shows and she has a
00:52:00.020 range of that and so for anybody who wants to take this seriously make a cultural out of it i mean
00:52:04.820 is this the case for council culture i don't i don't i don't think the argument here is that
00:52:08.660 christians are allergic to humor i think the argument here is that it's clear it's clear that
00:52:13.860 you would never do this with the dalai lama for example or with with muhammad and because you'd
00:52:19.060 get killed if there's one group i've pissed off a lot of groups in my day but if there's one group
00:52:26.500 that um i am not a fan of pissing off that's i'm not even gonna say their name because you guys
00:52:33.860 scare me you do like religion they're like we're the religion of peace and i'm like then why am i
00:52:38.980 scared why am i getting death threats why am i scared uh for the fund thank you corey i appreciate
00:52:46.500 the donation i appreciate you so i i think that's where people take issue with it and actually the
00:52:52.340 original the original um jesus christ superstar was quite consistent with what happened in the
00:52:57.220 bible in terms of the the the theology behind it um this is just basically a bold black i mean they
00:53:02.820 they could have at least put a wig on her. It's so weird seeing her have the crown of thorns on
00:53:07.640 her head and it's just basically this bold, shiny head. They're clearly taking the mickey out of
00:53:12.000 what actually happened. And on the point about the homosexual infiltration, I'm sorry, I just
00:53:16.280 thought, I think the Catholic priests beat this play there a few decades ago on that front.
00:53:21.980 Oh, did they? Yeah.
00:53:23.580 Did they beat it like the public schools? Like the public schools beat it who have 10 or hundreds
00:53:28.340 of times the rate of sexual molestation of children. So I mean, when you talk about predators,
00:53:34.740 for instance, guess what? Predators go where their children are. This is no exception for
00:53:38.860 secular institutions like public schools. So I don't know why you people use this as a talking
00:53:42.980 point. It's a terrible one. That was really funny. True. All right, Mike Nellis. Let me bring in Mike
00:53:54.940 Nellis. I would say this, you know, as a... They're claiming white people can't say great
00:54:01.700 genes is exposing their inferiority complex. YouTube won't let me put white plus guilt together.
00:54:09.400 Wow. That's bullshit. As a Christian, I'm a Catholic, right? I do think one of the best
00:54:15.780 things about my religion is that we can laugh at ourselves, right? We can self-lampoon. I often
00:54:23.400 laugh at some of the absurdities of my own church, for example. And the fact that Christians
00:54:28.760 have a better tolerance level for mockery than other religions is something to be proud of,
00:54:33.800 isn't it? Well, I think all the comparisons to Islam are really silly stuff. And I'm going to
00:54:38.700 say this as a practicing Catholic, if your faith is so fragile that you're offended about a black
00:54:42.280 woman playing Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ superstar, you've got bigger problems than
00:54:46.420 what was going on in the culture war. Second, we've heard a lot of, you know, frankly, some
00:54:50.080 really weird comments about like homosexual infiltration of American society. Like Andrew
00:54:54.620 over there is complaining about people preying on children. I haven't seen Andrew say anything
00:54:58.240 about Donald Trump being in the Epstein files or releasing the Epstein files on here. So
00:55:01.780 I don't really think that's a red herring. It's a little red herring. Why do you want these people
00:55:07.340 to destroy your theology? If you're a Catholic, sir, they're going after your theology on the
00:55:11.460 public stage. They're taking out the resurrection, a romantic relationship between Jesus and Mary.
00:55:16.380 what is wrong with you you're not a catholic you're a pretender what is wrong give me a break
00:55:21.760 what is wrong with you that your faith is so weak that a play in hater he would that's going to be
00:55:28.180 you are commanded to defend your faith sir as a catholic i'm defending my man you're going to
00:55:33.900 defend it by rolling over and letting him kick you while you're down huh that's you that's you
00:55:37.700 defending the faith of christ faith is in practice and my faith is not going online and complaining
00:55:42.900 about musicals and making you online complaining you're online complaining i was like what are you
00:55:47.480 doing now right now and the thing is you're actually not complaining how dare christians
00:55:52.720 be offended what's wrong with you you're a catholic god andrew he can beat anybody in a debate
00:56:00.820 supposed to defend the faith defend it i'll defend my faith andrew andrew let me jump in
00:56:05.960 let me jump in andrew andrew did you i hang on my i'll come back to you but just life of brian
00:56:11.920 Andrew. Monty Python. Did you find that funny?
00:56:16.100 Tonight's show is brought to you by...
00:56:17.340 Okay. I just thought
00:56:20.080 we'd watch that for a little bit.
00:56:22.720 But we got through the reaction
00:56:24.080 kind of quick today.
00:56:26.980 I wanted to think if I had
00:56:28.060 any other updates.
00:56:30.580 Not really.
00:56:33.160 If you guys have any
00:56:34.120 requests for stuff to react to this
00:56:36.100 week, we're going to go back to normal programming
00:56:38.120 tomorrow, so we'll do a call-in show.
00:56:40.320 It'll be at 7.
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