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00:02:25.100 we're talking about ivf so modern women are waiting far too long to have children in 2025 0.85

00:02:33.480 we have women entertaining the thought of having kids in their late 30s to mid 40s 1.00

00:02:39.960 in a quest to be a boss babe and have it all studies show that a woman's chance of getting 1.00

00:02:45.400 pregnant drops to 20% after 35 and 5% after 40. Do any of the stats about infertility and age

00:02:53.320 matter to women? The answer is no. They're going to keep going to high priced institutions to get 1.00

00:02:59.860 degrees that no one cares about to jobs that aren't going to make them any money to put themselves 1.00

00:03:04.500 into a bunch of debt that they're going to have to pay off the rest of their lives. So what do

00:03:10.900 these women turn to when they've smashed into the wall and they want to have a kid and they're 1.00

00:03:16.580 having fertility problems? IVF. In 2022, nearly 100,000 babies were born with the help of in

00:03:25.340 vitro fertilization. Babies born using IVF and other assisted reproductive technologies grew by

00:03:32.320 almost 50% from 2012 to 2022. Women under the age of 35 having a live birth, women under the age of

00:03:41.080 35 have a live birth success rate of 55%. The success rate, the success rate per cycle drops

00:03:49.500 to below 40 between the ages of 35 to 40 and below 10% after the age of 40. IVF doubles the

00:03:58.560 chance of success for giving birth. Men have hacked fertility, but it is at a cost. The average 1.00

00:04:05.540 cost of IVF is between $12,000 to $17,000 per cycle. If you look at social media, you see all

00:04:13.560 of the success stories from IVF. I mean, women that have finally had their miracle baby after

00:04:19.060 years of trying, but we never get to hear about the horror stories of IVF. The people that had

00:04:26.740 some type of complication or traumatic experience. That's what we're going to talk about on today's

00:04:31.880 show. I wanted to start by talking about that Kanye West tweet. Um, I wanted to start by

00:04:38.220 talking about the tweet Kanye West put out the other day that got everyone upset. So we got

00:04:44.280 Kanye over here. So is this real Beyonce fans lash out at Kanye West over his disturbing

00:04:54.320 comments on her kids. Amid his many, many disturbing tweets on social media, on the social

00:05:00.860 media platform X, Ye, a rapper formerly known as Kanye West, took a swing at Jay-Z and Beyonce

00:05:07.760 and their twin kids, Rumi and Sir Carter. Kanye, who has been going on more frequent rants

00:05:15.680 targeting various stars, has long been under fire on social media. Kanye West targeted Jay-Z and

00:05:22.980 Beyonce's seven-year-old twins in his latest posts on X. So as you guys know, Kanye's the

00:05:28.860 type of guy, he says what everyone's thinking. He has, I have never seen someone as unfiltered

00:05:36.540 as Kanye. So there's Jay-Z and Beyonce. As if dragging the names of artists, including Cardi B,

00:05:44.940 Iggy, Kendrick Lamar, and Playboy Cardi through the mud wasn't enough,

00:05:48.880 Ye has now targeted former friend and longtime collaborator Jay-Z and his wife Beyonce's family.

00:05:57.440 Speaking about the couple's seven-year-old twins, Ye wrote,

00:06:01.840 Has anyone ever seen Jay-Z and Beyonce's younger kids? 0.98

00:06:05.740 They're retarded. 1.00

00:06:08.880 That's why artificial insemination is such a blessing. 1.00

00:06:13.240 Having retarded kids is a choice. 1.00

00:06:18.880 he shared with his 33 million followers on x tuesday march 18th so there's him smiling

00:06:27.540 not caring at all and there are the children the posts quickly went viral and were reported for

00:06:35.280 bullying by several users yay eventually took down the tweets but it didn't take long for him

00:06:40.980 to follow up in another post i need everyone to know that i took the post about jay-z and

00:06:46.220 beyonce's family down because there was the possibility of my twitter being canceled

00:06:50.700 not because i'm a good person he shared wow thank you i took it down like down syndrome get it

00:06:59.660 f the world f everybody the rapper added so this is the tweet right there at least jay-z and beyonce 0.77

00:07:08.640 get to raise their retarded ass kids okay and youtube he's saying this i'm just reading it all 0.93

00:07:17.960 right um the disturbing comments came just a month after the rapper went on a full-on rant 1.00

00:07:24.180 streak deemed by many to be homophobic anti-semitic fatphobic sexist and racist at the time kanye

00:07:31.780 claimed the public backlash for these posts helped his merchandise sales skyrocket. 0.99

00:07:39.460 No matter how you feel about Beyonce, this is disgusting. Not to mention he put his own

00:07:44.060 daughter on a song with Diddy. He's clearly mentally deranged. That's what the people are 1.00

00:07:49.480 saying. Now, not long after Ye's posts, online users and Beyonce's dedicated fan base Beehive

00:07:58.200 quickly rushed to clap back at the notorious rapper one user joked about kanye west and jay-z's

00:08:05.540 iconic album watch the throne saying um do down don't guess watch the throne too

00:08:15.140 don't guess watch the throne too isn't coming out a fan wrote kanye and his years long obsession

00:08:22.200 with Beyonce referencing Kanye West's iconic stunt at 2009 VMAs where the rapper jumped on

00:08:28.660 stage after Taylor Swift bested Beyonce saying yo Taylor I'm really happy for you I'll let you

00:08:34.200 finish but Beyonce has one of the greatest or has one of the best videos of all time somebody take

00:08:40.760 all of his devices please another joked Beyonce letting every single person know she knows to

00:08:48.540 stop working in any shape or form with kanye and it's over other mentioned the recent conspiracies

00:08:54.400 theories that linked beyonce and jay-z to diddy's corrupt use of power in the entertainment industry

00:09:00.240 okay so the rest of the article is just um obviously everyone getting mad you know they're

00:09:07.760 getting upset with yay so all right now was this tweet in bad taste yeah but does he have a point

00:09:19.220 we see blue ivy all the time but we've never seen the twins ever do they have developmental delays

00:09:27.840 is this is that why we don't see them in public remember beyonce and jay-z had their twins through

00:09:34.780 IVF. Beyonce was 29 when she had Blue Ivy and 35 when she had her set of twins, Sir and Rumi.

00:09:43.360 Too many modern women are choosing IVF as a family planning method. They are relying on an industry 1.00

00:09:49.920 lightly regulated to give them a child. They are foregoing building relationships with men

00:09:55.480 and marriage for career and hopefully having enough money and resources to pay for something

00:10:01.120 as expensive as IVF. It is only recently that we see and hear about some of the horror stories

00:10:07.820 that some couples have gone through IVF have experienced. I saw this article that tells

00:10:14.340 multiple stories about complications that people have experienced with IVF. Why don't we take a

00:10:19.820 look? No, I think she didn't have IVF at 29. I think it was 35. Okay. Another IVF nightmare.

00:10:29.740 patients have few protections.

00:10:35.200 Christina

00:10:35.880 Murray realized something had gone

00:10:37.780 awry in her in vitro 0.93

00:10:39.980 fertilization process immediately

00:10:42.020 after giving birth. She is

00:10:44.000 white, as was her chosen 0.74

00:10:45.800 sperm donor, who had

00:10:48.020 dirty blonde hair and blue eyes,

00:10:49.840 but her baby was dark-skinned.

00:10:51.940 He was beautiful and perfect, but it

00:10:53.900 was very clear that something was wrong, she said. 0.78

00:10:56.040 I hoped it was just a sperm

00:10:57.880 mix-up. The IVF process has been grueling. Murray, now 38, has ensured multiple daily injections,

00:11:05.120 frequent blood draws, bouts of nausea, and exhaustion, a first embryo transfer that didn't

00:11:10.740 take, and finally pregnancy and labor. Then a DNA test revealed that the Georgia fertility clinic

00:11:17.480 Murray had used had implanted a different couple's embryo in her uterus. After raising the baby for

00:11:25.140 five months murray heartbroken handed him over to the biological parents so she gave birth

00:11:32.940 to a child that wasn't hers oh i would be so pissed

00:11:37.480 oh i would be done we all met in court and the decision was made she said i walked in

00:11:44.900 a mom and a child and a baby who loved me and was mine and was attached to me and i walked out of

00:11:50.860 the building with an empty stroller and they left with my son she sued the clinic last month

00:11:57.100 white women love doing the sperm donor thing i think we're the highest earning other than asian 1.00

00:12:07.900 so we're the we're the ones with the money for the dumb shit right like that's do you know what 0.99

00:12:14.560 we we're all different races of women and not all i'm speaking in generalities we just have 1.00

00:12:23.760 different tools of how we're crazy right you know like you you see the black women in the news and 1.00

00:12:32.000 not all not all but like you know they're throwing hands or whatever and you see that a lot right 1.00

00:12:37.280 white women we just sign up for dumb shit so like if you see a kid that's transitioned 1.00

00:12:44.780 that's getting transitioned right guarantee the white it's a white woman doing it if you see like 1.00

00:12:53.320 um a kid like grow i'm gonna raise my kid non-binary it's white like we have the money 0.99

00:13:00.340 for those gender clinics or whatever it is um and the IVF stuff I do really see a lot of white 0.85

00:13:09.640 women doing this um now again I'm not saying other nationalities don't or races don't but

00:13:17.280 I can just speak from where I I grew up okay okay so she sued the clinic last month although

00:13:24.000 While many cases like Murray's are thought to be rare, an NBC News analysis of federal and state legal databases found more than 300 lawsuits filed from 2019 to 2024, alleging that embryos, eggs, or sperm has been lost, destroyed, or swapped.

00:13:42.340 The suits were filed against fertility clinics or companies involved in the IVF process across 19 states.

00:13:49.980 and the majority at least 260 involved alleged allegations of product or equipment failures

00:13:59.640 some legal experts say that the cases are in part a product of the industry's rapid growth

00:14:06.060 the number of babies born via assisted reproductive technology which includes ivf

00:14:11.460 more than quadrupled from 1996 to 2022 the number of fertility procedures increased more than six

00:14:19.020 fold. Market researchers estimated the U.S. fertility industry was worth $5.7 billion last year.

00:14:29.140 IVF isn't governed by the same regulations that hold other medical practitioners accountable for

00:14:35.240 mistakes or safety violations. Three legal experts said, for example, although more than half of

00:14:41.000 states require hospitals to report serious avoidable medical errors to regulators,

00:14:46.000 those requirements don't apply to IVF clinics and embryo and embryology labs aren't subject

00:14:54.820 to federal inspections the way say blood banks are instead most are inspected by accredited

00:15:01.320 accredited organizations what's what's more there is no established established legal claim

00:15:07.860 pertaining to lost or swapped embryos like there is for medical malpractice cases involving errors

00:15:15.580 by health care providers so ivf patients have a hard time seeking redress after something goes

00:15:22.200 wrong few of the lawsuits in nbc's news analysis have gone to trial and of those that have been

00:15:29.560 resolved most were settled or dismissed adam wolf wolf an attorney representing murray says he

00:15:35.460 expects to see more cases like hers because in his view the u.s lacks sufficient state and federal

00:15:41.740 regulations governing fertility clinics and labs so again this is what women do not all not all 0.99

00:15:47.580 not all have a tendency to do i'll say we make a bad choice right or a risky choice right like for

00:15:56.920 example a woman gets goes to miami and gets a bbl that's risky but when things go south and it looks

00:16:08.560 pretty stupid she's going to blame the surgeon or say she was lied to and where if a guy gets a 1.00

00:16:17.480 risky surgery like that height lengthening surgery he's just going to say i took a risk and it didn't 1.00

00:16:23.300 pay off right until ivf clinics are subject to real regulations reporting requirements and

00:16:30.180 mandatory certification programs for lab staff these type of errors will continue to occur

00:16:36.240 he said at a news conference last month wolf is part of a growing chorus of former ivf patients

00:16:44.400 lawyers and bioethics and even anti-abortion advocates calling for increased regulation

00:16:49.860 of ivf so all the lawyers are looking at this they're saying i can't wait to make money off 0.88

00:16:56.600 these dumb hoes it's like the divorce industry right now there's going to be an ivf lawsuit and 1.00

00:17:03.820 it just keeps going it's like women make dumb decision right and then the men watch it and 1.00

00:17:11.100 they say i can't stop them how can i make money off of this and do you know what happens do you 0.95

00:17:17.120 know what happens then there's a whole industry that's born like for example melania trump is 1.00

00:17:24.300 passing like an anti-nude images on the internet so women take nudes send them around that's a 1.00

00:17:30.600 risky decision right you're trusting someone else to not share them we all know men have a hard drive 0.96

00:17:37.440 we all know that you guys don't delete shit okay they have it forever so knowing that women can 1.00

00:17:45.140 make the choice to not do it or know that it's a calculated risk now instead if things get leaked 0.98

00:17:52.420 on the internet again what do women do they sue now what's what's pixie suing destiny for 1.00

00:17:58.520 if these all become industries of women making stupid decisions and men realizing they can sue 1.00

00:18:06.640 other people because women can't take accountability so it'll just be a lawsuit you know it's the same 1.00

00:18:12.200 thing with the marriage you know women you know men know when they get married it's a calculated 0.85

00:18:17.280 risk it might work out it might not but women can't take that l right they can't they don't 1.00

00:18:26.080 Their reputation cannot be ruined.

00:18:29.580 So they got to make their ex-husband's life a living hell.

00:18:34.880 Okay.

00:18:36.480 So maybe if enough of us speak out, there will be more regulation.

00:18:41.220 There will be more protocol put into place, says Marissa, 36,

00:18:46.060 who sued her L.A. fertility clinic in the fall, 0.95

00:18:49.620 alleging that the embryos she and her partner intended to use to start a family

00:18:53.840 have been discarded by mistake. That's my only hope. How common are IVF errors? It's a mystery.

00:19:03.340 Calhoun was diagnosed in her teens with severe endometriosis, a condition that can make it

00:19:10.420 difficult to get pregnant. By 35, she had completed three painful egg retrievals.

00:19:16.800 she and her partner steven castanita were elated in late 2023 when they found out

00:19:23.280 16 of her eggs had been successfully fertilized but days later her doctor called he told me that

00:19:29.840 all of my embryos have been discarded he described it as an error in the lab she said i could barely

00:19:35.960 speak the weight of my medical condition the weight of the years i spent collecting those eggs

00:19:40.820 i can't describe the rush of thoughts and the rush of emotions that overtook me i was just

00:19:47.200 inconsolable calhoun's lawsuit alleges that a lab employee had failed to label her embryos before

00:19:54.800 placing them in an incubator then threw away the on threw away the unlabeled embryos 0.96

00:20:00.360 the clinic said it could not comment on an active lawsuit but denied the allegations in a court

00:20:08.140 filing a conference between the judge and the opposing parties is scheduled for later this

00:20:13.100 month to determine next steps nbc's news analysis identified 82 lawsuits related to the allegations

00:20:20.220 of human error from 2019 to 2024 and over 13 being swapped embryos egg or sperm so yeah

00:20:29.340 yep the cases involving equipment and product failures meanwhile included 176 related to a

00:20:39.180 2018 storage tank failure at a fertility clinic in san francisco called pacific

00:20:45.100 fertility center which led to the destruction of about 2,500 eggs and 1,500 embryos

00:20:52.980 The tank's marker, Chart Industries, denied an allegation made in a class action suit

00:20:59.840 that the tank was defective.

00:21:01.960 The clinic's parent company denied allegations that it had been negligent.

00:21:07.760 Prelude and Pacific Fertility contend that the 2018 storage tank failure was caused by

00:21:12.940 a defective tank, said Alexandria Preece Barlow, an attorney who represented Prelude

00:21:20.740 in a class action suit.

00:21:22.220 Many of the allegations against the clinic have gone into arbitration.

00:21:26.840 However, in one that went to trial, a jury determined that the chart and the Pacific Fertility Center have been negligent and awarded five former patients a total of $15 million.

00:21:39.560 Chart appealed and reached a confidential settlement in that case and others.

00:21:45.660 um chart prelude fertility and pacific fertility center did not respond to requests for comment

00:21:54.920 however the clinic told the nbc bay area shortly after the incident that it had bought in brought

00:22:02.660 in independent experts to investigate we are truly sorry that this happened for the anxiety

00:22:08.260 that it will surely cause at the time 50 plus other lawsuits in nbc's news analysis were related

00:22:15.880 to claims that a liquid used to help fertility eggs develop destroyed hundreds of embryos

00:22:21.560 the company that manufactured the solution copper surgical received several lots last year

00:22:28.300 cooper surgical did not respond to requests for comment in a statement to nbc last year

00:22:34.940 It said that it intended to recall proactively while investigating any potential issues.

00:22:41.420 Okay, so, I mean, it just keeps going.

00:22:46.220 There is a bunch of issues that have been going on with IVF.

00:22:51.060 So we're going to watch a video of another embryo mix-up.

00:22:56.140 So let's see this.

00:22:57.260 an extraordinary fertility clinic mix-up is talking about what happened to them for the

00:23:08.840 first time CBS 2's Dick Brennan has a story it was just it was heartbreaking Ani and Ashot

00:23:15.740 Manukian say they've been devastated by what they call an unimaginable mix-up by the CHOP

00:23:20.520 Fertility Center in Los Angeles involving three different couples CHOP with my family

00:23:25.920 Pearl Reed on the website, no one donates egg or sperm.

00:23:29.880 They are paid.

00:23:30.680 This is a big business and a disgusting business. 0.92

00:23:34.460 Through a living hell, we're like zombies.

00:23:37.700 We could not sleep, eat, or focus.

00:23:40.360 We were helpless.

00:23:41.920 It was awful.

00:23:42.580 The Manukians say the fertility center transferred their embryo to an unidentified New York woman

00:23:47.460 who then gave birth to their son along with another couple's baby.

00:23:50.920 The New York couple is Korean-American, and they were expecting to have two girls.

00:23:56.480 And they had two boys, and Arayana Shots' boy is Armenian.

00:24:03.940 A DNA test revealed the error, and it was six weeks before the Mnookians finally got to see their son.

00:24:09.400 Now the couple is suing the center.

00:24:10.960 A child robbed me of my ability to carry my own child, my baby boy, to be with him in the first couple of, you know, moments of his life, to nurse him, to just do, like, skin-on-skin contact.

00:24:27.680 So how could this happen?

00:24:29.100 I am totally shocked and I am totally dismayed.

00:24:32.180 Fertility doctor Jeffrey Steinberg says a mix-up like this is extraordinary.

00:24:35.860 Before an embryo can go back into a patient, the computerized records have to be reviewed by the medical director, myself, and the physician, if there's another physician involved.

00:24:47.120 The paper records have to be reviewed, the signatures have to be reviewed, and then the entire staff gets together and question the patient.

00:24:55.700 And further agonizing for the Manoukians, they say the fertility center never explained what happened to all of their embryos.

00:25:02.020 Ani and Ashot have no idea if there is another baby.

00:25:05.160 You see this? This is called a shark. This guy right there, he sees an up-and-coming industry.

00:25:13.160 He's like, I am going to get rich. I am going to get rich off of these women's decisions. 1.00

00:25:18.960 In this world, of theirs, that they're unaware of right now.

00:25:24.420 Now, Ani Minoukian says her son that she was finally united with is, in her words, a perfect baby.

00:25:30.500 Attorneys for the clinic have not...

00:25:32.720 Yeah. We got another one in Canada.

00:25:39.880 What was supposed to be one of the happiest moments of Alexander Cardinale's life, meeting his...

00:25:45.420 Oh, that's a cute baby.

00:25:46.900 ...baby happened four months late, thanks to an apparent mix-up.

00:25:51.100 I was in some kind of hell. It was just getting worse.

00:25:55.080 In 2019, his wife Daphna gave birth to a baby that looked nothing like them.

00:25:59.780 They'd used in vitro fertilization and immediately feared something had gone wrong.

00:26:05.460 I think we were hoping if at least one of us was genetically related to her, then we could keep her.

00:26:14.760 But I think the biggest fear in all of this is like, am I going to lose my baby?

00:26:22.660 According to their lawsuit, three months later, genetic testing showed their embryo had been switched with another couple's.

00:26:29.420 The solution? Legally exchange the children. 0.89

00:26:32.740 Our biological child was given to someone else.

00:26:37.420 And the baby that I fought to bring into this world was not mine.

00:26:43.580 Can you imagine giving birth? It's not your... 0.95

00:26:46.580 Oh, 2025 is a weird year.

00:26:49.900 Thank you.

00:26:50.900 The couple is suing their L.A. fertility doctor, clinic, and lab.

00:26:55.140 The other family wants...

00:26:56.060 Who's the lucky lawyer?

00:26:58.220 Where is he at?

00:26:59.140 remain anonymous but reportedly plans to sue as well while cases like this have happened in the

00:27:05.300 u.s before they are exceedingly rare but accidents happen mistakes happen fertility lawyer sherry 0.98

00:27:12.820 leviton said there she is yeah she sees a cash grab the miraculous thing here is both women

00:27:21.540 successfully gave birth and agreed to switch the bait yeah that is lucky imagine giving birth

00:27:27.140 going through all that giving birth to someone else's kid and you get nothing nothing peace

00:27:34.180 i understand that there are a hundred different horrible outcomes and this was the least horrible

00:27:40.340 of all those outcomes the cardinalis say their pain is eclipsed by that of their older daughter

00:27:46.980 is this ordeal has taken away everything that feels safe maury says you are not the father

00:27:54.740 then he says you are not the mother lol thank you doug mpa um captain no cap says women have

00:28:02.480 betrayed their governments they're misled into thinking they can offset children until later

00:28:06.580 the brutal reality is that and is that after 25 they're past halfway with the second leg harder

00:28:14.840 and has shaken her trust in us as parents who can't possibly understand why she lost the little

00:28:22.720 sister she'd grown to love. Chris Glover, CBC News, Washington. All right, let's see what we got

00:28:30.640 next. Another embryo mix-up. A couple who dreamed of becoming parents to a healthy newborn now

00:28:41.280 suing their fertility clinic tonight. They said the clinic implanted the wrong embryo,

00:28:45.760 which has now put their child's life at stake. Fox 11's Chelsea Edwards has the story.

00:28:51.260 We had visions of what his life was going to be like, living a normal life.

00:28:55.380 When Melissa and Jason Diaz decided to start a family,

00:28:58.320 they were determined not to pass on certain cancer-causing genes that run on their families.

00:29:02.540 We wanted our children to not have any worry regarding these types of genetic mutations that we carry.

00:29:09.560 So we try to do everything in our power to give them a fighting chance at life with a healthy life.

00:29:15.080 So they chose to undergo genetic testing and in-vitro fertilization

00:29:18.440 through huntington reproductive center in pasadena but attorneys say the wrong embryo was transferred

00:29:24.040 to melissa which carried the rare and deadly cancer gene they tried to eliminate by going 0.99

00:29:29.000 through ivf it breaks my dang all that money just uh oh to know that he has to go through that when

00:29:36.440 he didn't it wasn't his choice it was never supposed to be that that way and you actively

00:29:41.960 worked to prevent this exact situation 100 everything we could do that was in our power

00:29:46.600 we tried to do everything available from technology to date we did and we followed all their orders

00:29:53.960 and everything that we needed to do melissa first noticed the error on a medical report she requested

00:29:58.760 from hrc about 10 months after her son was born in 2021 handwritten notes on that report indicated

00:30:04.920 that the embryo which became her baby boy indeed carried the cdh1 gene the very one that caused

00:30:11.080 jason's stomach cancer mig tau by logic thank you for the super chat guys we're newly re-monetized

00:30:17.000 on the channel so every super chat does help imagine not knowing if the baby is yours they

00:30:22.200 must be so that must be so hard for these poor women to deal with like wow 1.00

00:30:29.320 i don't feel bad at all but i'm glad you have empathy but i do not i was terrified my heart

00:30:35.480 fell. I was hoping it wasn't real, hoping it was a mistake. When you first understood that the

00:30:42.800 embryo that had been transferred did in fact carry that gene, what was your reaction? I was

00:30:47.280 devastated. I felt like I was diagnosed with cancer for the second time again. After requesting her

00:30:52.920 full medical records from the clinic, Melissa says she received an altered version of the initial

00:30:57.320 report. The handwritten notes, gone. On Wednesday, their attorney, Adam Wolfe, filed a lawsuit.

00:31:02.400 There's the next shark. I'm telling you, these guys all look the same. They are like,

00:31:09.200 this is a booming industry.

00:31:10.880 Against the clinic and Dr. Bradford Kolb, claiming negligence, malpractice,

00:31:15.320 battery, misuse of embryos, and fraudulent concealment.

00:31:19.020 And maybe by having this conversation right now, we can lend our little bit of support

00:31:23.520 to changing processes, to changing regulations, to having some sort of framework to minimize

00:31:29.120 or hopefully completely eliminate when you think about it women are the biggest eugenicists 1.00

00:31:35.440 like women are the real racist sexists or whatever like they'll abort their kid if it's 1.00

00:31:41.820 not the right dad or the right sex like they're the they're the og like um eugenicists when you 1.00

00:31:48.460 think about it ever happening again the diaz's son is now men don't discriminate they'll not in

00:31:54.000 just about anything do you know what i mean like they'll

00:31:57.120 they'll get like you ever see guys like baby mothers and you're like why would you do that 0.99

00:32:04.000 like you could have you could have pulled out you know but

00:32:08.060 so when you think about it like women yeah there's a big focus on genes amish have zero cancer

00:32:16.840 diabetes, autism, $250,000 control group. It's not genes. Well, yeah, but nobody wants to be

00:32:25.140 Amish. I mean, do you want to be Amish? I'm not going to go be Amish. So if you're not willing 0.99

00:32:30.480 to go live like the Amish, I don't like, no one's going to do it. You're in my YouTube chat. 1.00

00:32:36.700 We're fat. Okay. That's, that's why we have all this stuff. We have old eggs. The women, 1.00

00:32:42.100 we're having kids too old and we're fat. That's the problem.

00:32:44.860 Happy and healthy one-year-old, but will face the life-altering stomach removal surgery his dad underwent as a result of the embryo mix-up.

00:32:52.720 What would justice look like for the two of you?

00:32:56.440 I don't think there's anything that can justify what happened or what they did.

00:32:59.860 My son's still going to have the same future.

00:33:02.020 He's still going to have to live his life differently because of something that we tried everything to prevent.

00:33:08.720 Reporting for Fox 11, I'm Chelsea Edwards.

00:33:11.140 chelsea reached out to the huntington reproductive center for a statement they have not yet

00:33:19.860 that was almost ethical ivf i mean i don't really have an opinion on it one way or another but that

00:33:24.980 was almost that's pretty understandable you don't want your kid to get cancer

00:33:32.340 fertility specialists using assisted reproductive technology to make the pregnancy dreams of 0.98

00:33:38.500 patients come true are now facing a new and complex ethical dilemma when it comes to what

00:33:44.420 to do with abandoned embryos none of us were really trained on what to do with this it's

00:33:49.940 a dilemma it's a conundrum it's a problem during the ivf process doctors often create multiple

00:33:56.020 embryos which are then either implanted or frozen for use at a later time if a couple decides they

00:34:02.820 do not need the remaining embryos they have the following options they can destroy them

00:34:08.020 donate them to research or to another couple or continue to pay storage fees which could run

00:34:13.620 anywhere from four hundred dollars to more than a thousand dollars a year yeah so there's all

00:34:18.260 these embryos that are just sitting and they don't none of these clinics know what to do with them

00:34:23.380 and they're not federally regulated so what do you guys think realistically they're gonna do with

00:34:29.940 these embryos in many cases patients stop paying their storage bills and stop answering calls

00:34:37.540 leaving the clinics with what they call abandoned embryos if you talk to patients when they're

00:34:43.380 thinking about having a child nobody thinks that they'll ever discard or abandon their embryos

00:34:47.940 dr craig sweet runs a fertility clinic in florida he says about a quarter of the frozen embryos at

00:34:53.860 his clinic have been abandoned and according to experts it's a problem in fertility clinics

00:34:59.220 across the country over time of more and more embryos have accumulated that have been abandoned

00:35:05.780 i know of organizations that have bats of abandoned embryos and they're afraid to discard them it's

00:35:12.660 unclear exactly how many frozen embryos have been abandoned nationwide some doctors estimate the

00:35:19.220 number to be in the hundreds of thousands while other studies suggest it could be in the millions

00:35:25.380 adding additional complications to the debate the fact that embryos are fertilized eggs

00:35:30.740 meaning they have a potential for life alissa strauss and her husband turned to ivf to conceive

00:35:37.540 their second child after she was diagnosed with secondary infertility when her son was just five

00:35:43.940 months by the way when women are infertile if it's not endometriosis a lot of times 0.99

00:35:52.180 they don't tell you this it's an std it's like hpv or some other std that left them that way

00:36:01.540 a lot of you guys get trapped where the woman says oh i'm infertile it's like

00:36:07.860 it might be that they were faced with the decision of what to do with their remaining embryos

00:36:13.940 all of a sudden you realize that you have these two things and they're the size of a poppy seed

00:36:19.460 but at the same time they're kind of the most important things alissa says she wasn't prepared

00:36:24.980 to make the emotional decision i just wanted to be a mom with a new baby you're talking to someone

00:36:30.260 that's so desperate to have in the end just an embryo that's going to work out for them and to 0.68

00:36:35.940 kind of bring up you might have extra i don't know that how you emotionally can handle that

00:36:40.980 the strausses ultimately decided to donate their embryos to research but it wasn't easy

00:36:46.820 at some point you're gonna doug mpa says 15 of women will be infertile in the u.s and 25

00:36:53.300 of female doctors are infertile well it's because they're throwing it back you know throwing it back 1.00

00:37:00.340 raw they get too many gonorrhea diagnosis or whatever and then boom and then now women are 1.00

00:37:10.660 giving birth to kids with STDs. If you have an incurable STD that's going to be passed

00:37:16.720 on to your kid, you might as well just not have them. That is not fair.

00:37:21.780 To face down the decision. So the more we talk about it, the more people say, hey, you're

00:37:26.380 going to have this big decision to make.

00:37:28.280 30 Doug MPA says 30% of the women in the military are infertile. You know, I've heard a lot

00:37:34.780 about these military women. I have not heard great things. I won't lie to you ladies. I've

00:37:40.020 heard terrible things about you. It's going to be tough. Here's some ways to think through it.

00:37:44.360 You know, the less likely I think we are for people to be stuck in that indecision, which is

00:37:48.940 so common. We've dedicated our lives for building families and throwing embryos in a biohazardous

00:37:53.900 waste container just seems really wasteful. Concerned about the increasing number of

00:37:59.480 abandoned embryos, Dr. Sweet has made his clinic a non-discard facility, meaning all of his patients 0.83

00:38:06.120 must agree they will donate and not discard their embryos. He says he made the decision for ethical,

00:38:12.500 not religious reasons. We have to take a look at this and go, this is a problem and we need to try,

00:38:19.060 try to solve it. We may not be able to solve all of it, but I do think we can make things better.

00:38:23.920 Yeah. Do you know what? I got to be honest, guys. You know how men can spread their seed?

00:38:31.860 now women can essentially spread their eggs that is never you've never been able to do that in 1.00

00:38:38.920 history would it be it would be the man and the woman's eggs and sperm but i think women can 1.00

00:38:46.680 donate their eggs too it's kind of cool only guys have been able to do that ever

00:38:56.240 worried that the longer we wait like if i i'm not gonna do i'm gonna say i'm not gonna do this so

00:39:03.780 don't go around saying i'm gonna do it but i'm just saying hypothetically i could donate a bunch

00:39:09.080 and then i could get like a half asian pearl right and then a half black pearl like mini pearl kid

00:39:17.420 and then a half like latina and then a white like a ginger do you see what do you guys see

00:39:24.260 what I'm saying? Like it could be only men have had the opportunity historically to do that. Now

00:39:29.660 women can do that. Bigger the problem will be. So given this issue, some doctors say that the 1.00

00:39:39.720 fertility industry needs regulation. For example, Germany and Italy both have laws that only allow

00:39:45.560 three embryos to be created and transferred at a time. So that avoids surplus embryos altogether.

00:39:51.080 but as of now pearl reed is there anything good that you have to say about ivf at all

00:39:57.240 it gave us nick f i'm indifferent to it i'm not for or against

00:40:06.840 i'm indifferent

00:40:11.080 there are no national laws in place that address these abandoned embryos so it's up to each and

00:40:16.440 every doctor to handle this on a case-by-case family and of course with the families as well

00:40:21.080 and families are making really tough decisions too i mean egg donation one million dollars you

00:40:26.840 guys can have one a million dollars and you can have a little pearl a lot of people for religious

00:40:34.040 reasons you know they they will not destroy that embryo obviously but i can only imagine how tough

00:40:39.480 that is for folks yeah it's such a personal decision so in the meantime they have to pay

00:40:42.760 every single month or sometimes you just pay every year to make sure okay all right so we're

00:40:49.640 going to do a call in now Doug MPA is going to come on first and then we're going to allow other

00:40:55.660 people to come in these are the questions that I'm going to give you guys and when you come on

00:41:02.320 you're going to have four minutes each so make sure you get to your point

00:41:06.560 and when you guys do come on you can answer any of these questions that apply to you

00:41:13.360 so it's not required that you answer all of these so i first want to know do you guys have any

00:41:20.840 personal stories with ivf do you know anyone that's done it um has anyone you've dated tried

00:41:26.920 to do it is it something you've done what was your experience life like second question how do

00:41:33.020 you feel about it personally um and if you were dating an older woman and she wanted to have a

00:41:39.620 child would you consider IVF and would it change it if she paid for it so yeah let me get there's

00:41:49.960 going to be a link in the chat let me know when Doug MPA is up here also side note guys my song

00:41:58.560 is on Spotify I'm going to put it in the comments after the show but if you guys want to listen to

00:42:03.960 we don't party like we used to. It is officially on Spotify. What's up, Doug MPA? How are you?

00:42:10.900 Pearl, how are you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. So

00:42:15.180 the sad part about it is women are just waiting too long, man. They're just waiting too long

00:42:22.700 to have kids. I know three people and they only put the positive parts of IVF on social media.

00:42:30.060 they don't say the negative parts because to me the saddest thing i've ever seen a woman go through

00:42:36.240 is okay women they say they don't want kids when they're young because they want some kind of 1.00

00:42:42.560 control like oh i don't want kids because it's cool to say you know to fight the patriarchy and

00:42:47.820 being a a breeding a breeder if they say they don't want kids but they're leaving off the last

00:42:54.180 part of the sentence they don't want to have kids until they've got a bachelor's degree or a

00:42:59.760 master's degree or they make six figures or they buy a house or they've been to Turks and Caicos,

00:43:04.080 all these different places. But most women will cross that stuff off their list and they want to 1.00

00:43:09.360 have kids. But by then it's too late. So I had a friend who was a teacher for 20 years and she got

00:43:16.760 to be a vice principal and she married this guy and she wanted to have kids at 43 years old. And

00:43:23.200 she went through three rounds of IVF and couldn't have a kid. So now she's crushed because she can

00:43:29.020 have a kid and she's around kids every single day because she worked in a school don't you think 1.00

00:43:34.240 she didn't want kids then because like if she wanted to she would have did it well she was 1.00

00:43:40.460 focused on her career yeah but that's like that's like the fat guy that says he wants to lose weight

00:43:46.620 and then just keeps eating well but you know what i mean like her revealed her life choices showed

00:43:53.300 she didn't want kids i would agree yeah i'm not gonna i'm not gonna argue with you there's just

00:43:59.780 a social infrastructure in place that make it okay for women to take this gamble these women think 1.00

00:44:06.260 that ivy you read the stats a lot of women just think that ivf is 100 guaranteed and it's not 1.00

00:44:13.620 not even close well and the other go ahead go ahead go ahead well the other sorry no the other

00:44:21.140 the other problem is um they look at rich women like okay so it's like 50 50 for ivf right like 0.99

00:44:30.820 before 35. so okay like kim kardashian and giselle janko whatever that tom brady's ex-wife she's got 1.00

00:44:40.900 a five percent chance after 40 but she can afford to do ivf every month yeah she can you know she 0.99

00:44:48.100 can do ivf you know if she's got a five percent chance and she's doing it for four years in a row 1.00

00:44:55.220 do you know what i mean she's got a better better odds than you who has enough money for one round 1.00

00:45:02.980 do you know what i mean does that make sense yeah that makes sense well that's the thing because

00:45:07.940 the delusion see women spend a lot of money they women have no concept of of violence and they have 0.98

00:45:14.420 no concept of like spending money responsibly and resources a lot of these women think that 1.00

00:45:19.620 and then also remember baby rabies is real a lot of women they just want to have the baby 1.00

00:45:24.660 and they'll just figure it out afterwards yeah we got and sorry go ahead and even worse are these

00:45:31.460 because guys put in the chat what are the worst what's the worst kind of single mother 1.00

00:45:38.820 the one that was married and divorced who's a single mom the baby mama who's never married 0.52

00:45:44.580 or the single mother by choice in my opinion the single mothers by choice these women 1.00

00:45:53.220 who choose to go to ivf with uh sperm that they don't even know who the father is so their father

00:46:01.860 their child's never going to know their father and have a baby through ivf these women are the 1.00

00:46:07.300 scum of the earth absolute worst yeah your child's never gonna have a father ever you're so selfish 1.00

00:46:14.900 you and a child that your father the child's not gonna have a father you're gonna spend all this 1.00

00:46:19.620 money and then your child's gonna grow up at every single statistical disadvantage ever the most

00:46:24.900 selfish women in the united states right now are these single mothers by choice well and they don't 1.00

00:46:28.980 actually want to be a mom they just want the cloud of a kid like there's a difference between a woman 1.00

00:46:34.340 that wants to be a mom and a woman that wants a kid does that make sense yeah like it's like the

00:46:41.820 women that put their kids in daycare i mean there's a different like i know there's some where 1.00

00:46:46.300 they have no choice but a lot have a choice and just don't want to be a mother right they want to

00:46:51.920 do other things whatever that woman you know it is and you'll still see this okay when uh the

00:47:02.380 fastest growing group of single mothers, when I was young, it was teenage mothers, like 15 to like

00:47:07.480 18 or 19, right? Now it's women between the ages of 33 to 37. And why? What happens at 35, guys?

00:47:15.460 They smash into the wall, right? So these women, I call them buzzer beaters. They want to sneak 1.00

00:47:21.040 in a kid real quick before the clock runs out. Now, only 2% of babies are born from

00:47:27.340 in vitro fertilization and insemination, right?

00:47:32.600 So what do most of these women do? 1.00

00:47:34.360 They find some loser who is loose with a seed. 0.98

00:47:38.800 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:47:39.440 They get pregnant by it. 0.97

00:47:40.920 But those women have, they have that excuse that people always believe, 1.00

00:47:44.940 oh, he didn't want to step up to the plate.

00:47:47.100 He didn't want to be a real man.

00:47:49.760 He had four other kids.

00:47:52.180 Yeah.

00:47:52.480 What made you think he would?

00:47:54.120 But I say this because the single mothers by choice, Pearl, 0.94

00:47:57.340 What excuse do they have?

00:47:59.580 None.

00:48:01.100 What excuse do they have?

00:48:02.420 Or the sperm, like the ones that go, I know someone that did sperm donation and she was 1.00

00:48:11.360 pretty old and her kid, her kid has like a birth defect because of it. 0.96

00:48:14.820 She didn't do IVF, like somehow she got pregnant naturally, but it was just really old.

00:48:18.940 How old was she? 0.89

00:48:19.800 Do you know?

00:48:21.320 Was she in the late 40s?

00:48:22.440 I think early to mid 40s.

00:48:24.300 man i'm not gonna you know i think the reason why there's so many children with developmental

00:48:31.660 delays and birth defects is because older women are having older children with their older eggs 0.99

00:48:37.920 yeah i don't have any scientific background for that but uh if you ask me that's what i think it

00:48:44.240 is um we got matt coming in and i'm gonna read the chat while he comes in um a guy can do it

00:48:53.500 anytime within reason so they get the career and the money to care for the wife who concentrates

00:48:59.100 on the child rearing children require a lot of energy from their parents the younger the parents

00:49:04.140 the more energy they have they're healthier too um okay hello matt welcome to the show

00:49:11.820 so we got two ques or um you can answer any of these questions um that apply to you so the first

00:49:18.300 is i'd love to know if you have any personal experience with ivf either either a woman you

00:49:24.140 know or maybe someone you dated how do you feel about it overall or if you were dating an older

00:49:32.600 woman and she wanted to have a child would you consider ivf so feel free to answer any of those

00:49:39.700 that apply oh he left well i guess we're going to go to the next one

00:49:47.620 um okay hello hey how's it going uh hello how you doing how you doing uh this uh conscious energy

00:50:04.420 uh you know speaking to you with the spectacular vernacular doing it all legal so i can fly like

00:50:11.020 ego i'm sending you tons and tons of good energy pearl take that take that on a beautiful day we

00:50:17.660 just breathing that good out you know i wanted to talk about this okay kerfuffle just for a few

00:50:24.380 minutes you know uh first off i want to say i've been watching your channel a long time

00:50:28.940 you probably never heard of me my name conscious energy but um i've been in your chat room trolling

00:50:33.660 some time as uh uh dbz dbz nation you know i'm always in your chat room oh yeah good to hear

00:50:42.060 from you bro good to hear from you you're always really positive from the chat so thank you for

00:50:46.060 coming up yeah man i'm always saying you know pearl is our queen whatever you know i just be trolling

00:50:52.300 but yeah is is this is this steve or doug doug mpa oh okay yeah yeah yeah well you know uh pearl i

00:51:01.900 just wanted to talk for a few minutes about the kerfuffle you know with the with the ladies in

00:51:06.860 the in the embryos and whatnot okay and it brings me to a to a story that happened with the kardashians

00:51:12.940 i don't know if a lot of people remember but um chloe kardashian and i believe uh the oldest um

00:51:20.620 sister all froze they eggs and um you know you know in california because it's very expensive

00:51:28.540 but um i think chloe kardashian she froze her eggs and she was paying like i think fifty thousand 0.94

00:51:35.820 dollars a year to keep them froze and so what i think like i said i'm just speaking from a male

00:51:41.900 perspective respectfully but what i think is going on keep in mind that broke women are women who who 1.00

00:51:50.700 don't make a lot of money can't much afford to freeze their eggs it's very very expensive not

00:51:56.220 only to extract the egg but also to freeze it and to take care of it and i think that um kourtney

00:52:04.060 kardashian i think she went back you know she just had a baby with that um with the rock star you

00:52:09.420 know that played the drums and she almost in her late 40s and she was able to to use her embryos 0.96

00:52:16.140 and so as far as you know travis barker travis yeah that guy right there you know interesting

00:52:24.060 but you know it's just like i say it's nothing it's nothing that a regular nine to five everyday

00:52:30.620 woman or man can afford because it's very expensive and i only think you know people 0.99

00:52:36.460 of well means can afford to even freeze their eggs go ahead pearl so would you consider it 0.99

00:52:43.340 if the woman paid for it well of course of course but okay so you'd be you'd be okay with it if you

00:52:51.260 were dating a woman and she said look i'm a little older but i'll pay for the ivf

00:52:57.180 and yeah okay i mean i mean if you're dating an older woman and she wants to you know have kids

00:53:04.060 whatever i mean hey you know she wanted to pay for it but like i said it's very expensive i mean

00:53:09.740 some somebody if you make an under on this beyond if you make an under a hundred grand a year you

00:53:16.940 You probably can't afford to extract the eggs to freeze them and to take care of them.

00:53:21.480 And that's why I think a lot of that, a lot of those, because you sound like a lot of doctors don't want to throw away the embryos because it's still like a human life.

00:53:29.000 But I think, you know, some of the companies don't have a choice because the women, some of the women can't afford to long term care for those embryos. 0.68

00:53:39.680 So, you know, they end up in these unfortunate kerfuffles, you know what I mean?

00:53:44.260 Totally.

00:53:44.560 i think it's a thing where women get what they want and then they don't care about the rest of 1.00

00:53:49.980 it anymore right so they're trying for a baby then when they get that baby they're like what

00:53:55.000 all they're focused on is a baby they don't care about all the rest of it

00:53:58.820 and you know something before i go pro i want to say this i'm so glad that you got your

00:54:03.420 monetization back you know all the haters all those female haters and male haters who was 1.00

00:54:09.860 throwing salt and hating on you i'm glad you got your monetization back because you were able to 0.51

00:54:15.700 know i'm saying the sort of people can see that that that we really support you know i'm saying

00:54:20.580 and you you show up every day you do very great content you're you're one of the rare women that

00:54:26.900 i really respect on youtube you you created your own lane you're not out here buck dancing and

00:54:33.140 jiving and shook it i mean you do your own content and you stand on business so i really appreciate

00:54:39.140 that pearl i just hope you continue to do your content i hope everybody in the content everybody

00:54:44.580 make donations to everybody hit the like button man because we got to support our queen thank you

00:54:50.420 so much that's very kind of you yes indeed will you take care of pearl and doug you take care too

00:54:57.220 and maybe i hit a link uh further in the future cool yeah call back anytime yeah all right take

00:55:04.340 Take care, Pearl.

00:55:05.140 Peace.

00:55:05.260 Bye.

00:55:07.380 Let's do Andrew.

00:55:15.220 Welcome to the show, Andrew.

00:55:17.460 Just a reminder, the questions that you can answer, and you don't have to answer all of these, just the ones that apply to you, are, do you know anyone personally that's dealt with IVF?

00:55:31.200 either, you know, a sister, friend, girlfriend, whatever. And if you were dating an older woman

00:55:37.280 and she wanted to have a child, would you consider IVF? Like check. Yeah. Andrew here.

00:55:45.260 Hi, Pearl. Thank you for having me. My wife and I have done IVF. She has a stage four endometriosis

00:55:55.040 and we were attempting natural conception didn't work so yeah we did it and yeah it's a super

00:56:06.800 traumatic to say the least there's so many things that go into fertility issues that

00:56:15.480 aren't spoken about mental health issues physical issues that women go through especially women with 0.95

00:56:24.140 endometriosis. Apparently, women are born with endometriosis and it shows up their first

00:56:34.920 menstruation. The only way to stop it is to get pregnant early. So all that to say, our

00:56:42.140 experience with fertility issues and IVF kind of showed how much the social norm of today

00:56:50.980 A is, you know, the woman wants to have her career, get established, have some savings, buy a house, and then have kids. 1.00

00:57:00.220 But a lot of women aren't able to do that. 1.00

00:57:02.540 And by the time they figure it out, it's much too late.

00:57:07.560 How much did you, so did you end up getting pregnant from, or not you, but her, did she end up getting pregnant from it? 0.96

00:57:14.520 Yeah, we have two babies.

00:57:16.860 We have one two-month-old and one two-year-old.

00:57:20.980 and how much did you guys spend total like ballpark it you don't have to give it an exact

00:57:26.080 amount but can you ballpark it yeah yeah so far it's been right around 60 000

00:57:31.740 okay and how many rounds did you guys do before you got pregnant each time so when we found out 0.78

00:57:40.720 she was not able to have children uh naturally because endometriosis ravaged her reproductive 0.98

00:57:47.540 of organs um she was 32 uh so we made the decision let's go all in on ivf because nothing else is

00:57:56.780 going to work so our first retrieval which is the process of getting the eggs and harvesting

00:58:04.080 just eggs uh she produced a lot of eggs so that's the most expensive part because after you do that

00:58:09.880 uh well assuming you're going to fertilize them immediately which is recommended when you're

00:58:14.440 fertilize when you're harvesting eggs um the embryos are created so that's the most expensive

00:58:19.680 part that was around forty thousand to fifty thousand dollars okay um and then we we've done

00:58:26.260 a total of uh three transfers of healthy embryos okay so far and each one of those is around six

00:58:35.000 seven thousand and one embryo did not make did not uh survive the thawing process and one ended

00:58:42.040 in miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy okay so two out of three worked then correct well two out of

00:58:49.820 four uh two out of three transfers two out of four embryos uh survived uh live birth so you

00:58:56.080 were basically the stat which is 50 percent yeah yeah um so you said every woman's born with 1.00

00:59:05.140 endometriosis could you tell me because me and um doug mpa were talking about that earlier

00:59:10.020 I was wondering, it's so common, I was wondering if it was some sort of STD, and he was telling me it wasn't.

00:59:16.300 No, it's not. The exact etiology is hard to pin down for scientists and doctors and researchers,

00:59:24.220 because the symptoms only present once the first period happens.

00:59:30.500 So once the first period happens, when the child is, you know, in their, you know,

00:59:35.320 pubescent post-pubescent kind of pubescent stage that the uh the endometriosis starts to starts to

00:59:42.900 do its thing it's where the uh lining the lining of the of the uterus is is thickening and sloughing 1.00

00:59:49.360 off and that happens outside of the uterus only with women in endometriosis so that the only way 1.00

00:59:54.940 to stop it from from getting worse to stage four level which where my wife is because she 1.00

00:59:59.880 she never gotten she had never gotten pregnant naturally and then when we started when we got 0.99

01:00:04.640 married she was 29 so um that's 15 years or so you know every month uh the endometriosis is getting

01:00:12.700 worse and worse and worse which is kind of why i brought up which is really really fascinating

01:00:16.860 which made me think like i have two daughters now right so i'm going to be encouraging them to

01:00:23.200 not just pursue like education but also pursue love and relationship and pursue uh healthy

01:00:31.680 relationships and not to put those things off if they present themselves if somehow they you know

01:00:38.400 found a suitor or a man or or whatever um to not say oh well i need to get my degree because a lot

01:00:46.880 of times you know given our situation uh it's not the right decision if being a mother is something

01:00:53.360 you really want um my wife chose not to get married not only because she didn't really have 0.95

01:00:59.680 help finding a man but also because she was told the right thing to do is to go to college and get

01:01:05.280 your degree and get established and buy a house and then how how old were you when you had your

01:01:11.420 how old were you and your your wife when you had children oh yeah so my daughter's two so i'm 36

01:01:18.260 so i was 34 my wife um was 36 okay so because i said it earlier these there are too many women 1.00

01:01:29.400 relying on ivf as like they're there as as planned parenting pretty much

01:01:36.280 yeah i think yeah i think you're right if you could talk to a room of women who were 1.00

01:01:41.400 you know fresh out of college and saying i'm gonna wait what would you say to these women 1.00

01:01:46.920 i would say uh when they say you know i'm gonna do ivf so right you know i'm gonna freeze my eggs

01:01:53.560 what would you say to them i would say i would uh strongly encourage them to rethink that i

01:01:58.680 would try to separate it out i mean some women don't need to be having kids um they probably 1.00

01:02:04.040 shouldn't have kids those women who were probably saying that just speaking directly because it's 1.00

01:02:09.320 a bad decision if if if if if a woman graduating college uh-oh um don't do not rely on ivf do not 1.00

01:02:20.920 rely on uh science because it's not the journey is is a lot darker than you think you're going to

01:02:28.120 have to put your body through a lot your mind through a lot and your your plan for life regarding

01:02:33.880 money uh through a lot so it's it's not a good decision to to walk to uh use that as a family

01:02:40.360 planning tactic and i think it should be reserved for for people who are infertile not because

01:02:46.680 people are thinking they can tailor their life did she know she had endometriosis or was that

01:02:52.600 something she found out no it was something we found out during the infertility stage

01:02:58.680 uh i have so i'm sorry go ahead bro go ahead what were the like her symptoms

01:03:05.000 the symptoms were very mild for my wife uh the main symptom was infertility

01:03:09.880 um there were some uh there was some pain uh traditionally you hear that there's like immense

01:03:16.600 10 out of 10 pain, but hers was more 7 out of 8 pain during menstruation and cramps. I guess

01:03:25.040 it feels like the worst cramps she ever had. But hers were pretty mild, so it wasn't immediately

01:03:31.140 noticeable for her. Some women, they get the symptoms a lot sooner and a lot more severe 1.00

01:03:37.840 than my wife did. I have this thing. Okay. So these single mothers by choice that willingly 1.00

01:03:45.900 go through IVF by themselves or they get inseminated by themselves, I say are the worst women on the 1.00

01:03:53.480 planet, right? And only child syndrome is a real thing, but I've always wondered these women who 0.56

01:04:04.560 have an only child, but they paid like $50,000 to have that child, is that going to make them

01:04:09.820 even more of a spoiled brat and i say this because do you see i mean this is you don't have to answer

01:04:17.180 because i don't know i'm gonna answer this question do you see your kids differently

01:04:22.780 because you had to spend so much money to have them understand i'm saying like right is is that

01:04:28.900 a is that a factor into your parenting or how you see your children at all the fact that you had to

01:04:33.300 spend that amount of money because i think that um we're gonna have a bunch of single mothers by 1.00

01:04:39.300 choice who are going to spoil their kids rotten and let them get away with everything because

01:04:43.700 they paid forty fifty thousand dollars for their child yeah i think for just personally no but i

01:04:51.060 think that's an interesting thought that you have um i would say personally no for me because um

01:04:57.060 being a mother was something my wife um you know it was kind of a a thing that she's always dreamt

01:05:04.260 about um but was never you know it was just more more that than um i need to have this because you

01:05:13.460 know if i'm not this uh i don't know i think sometimes women think of children as accessories

01:05:20.180 and then once they get presented with motherhood it's an inconvenience and i think that's where

01:05:26.740 the spoiling comes in because you're just trying to get this child to get away from you or to you

01:05:32.980 know to be the good accessory that you want it to be i think that might have a little to do with it

01:05:37.620 but that's just that's that's interesting thought though um okay what were the side effects that

01:05:42.820 she had you said it's a lot darker than like they say so what did you mean by that i think fertility

01:05:50.900 issues for women are is is very is a very dark thing for women to experience um because we're 1.00

01:05:57.140 talking about a woman going into the proposition of being a mother and that brings up a lot of

01:06:03.220 emotions i think that were not previously there for women if if they were you know preoccupied

01:06:08.740 with other things for instance um you know our journey was okay we thought we're doing the right

01:06:14.980 thing my wife you know her thought was i did the right thing i'm going to get married you know

01:06:19.620 after i'm you know established in my career a bit and uh which is why you know she got married at 0.91

01:06:24.900 29 but not only the the previous man she was with she was with for 10 years and he just kind of

01:06:30.100 never proposed her um never kind of showed initiative to want to marry her so she she left

01:06:39.060 him and uh you know when we was to have a family she was so we got married but you know when you're

01:06:47.140 dealing with fertility problems uh and then you're presented with the fact that you might not be able

01:06:52.420 to ever have children you uh enter into this kind of uh reality of like i never thought my life would

01:06:59.780 not involve having a family and for a lot of women a lot of men too it becomes very depressing and

01:07:05.940 then you have to deal with uh navigating the medical system uh while you're depressed while

01:07:11.380 you're downtrodden um there's a lot of trauma that comes with uh fertility treatment when you're when

01:07:19.140 when you're not successful, when you're spending all this money, and then it's not working. Or,

01:07:25.040 you know, for instance, if you're waiting way later, my wife was 32, and she had her egg

01:07:29.740 retrieval, and we had 28 eggs, which didn't all make it to the embryo stage, only six did.

01:07:35.800 Some women, they'll go through that, they'll go through that process, and they'll not come out 1.00

01:07:42.180 with anything or come out with one embryo, and the embryo has, let's say, a genetic malformation,

01:07:47.540 and the clinic will say no we're not going to transfer that embryo and then now what do they do

01:07:52.920 um and and and these women are usually older uh just you know because as you age every year after 1.00

01:07:59.900 35 i think the amount of eggs you start to produce lessens by 10 percent um and then at 35 it's

01:08:06.620 already really low so i just met no sorry it's no sorry finish yeah uh so i think uh mainly it's

01:08:13.980 It's the trauma, the mental health, it gets really dark,

01:08:17.580 especially if you're not able to deal

01:08:19.100 with those things on your own.

01:08:22.940 Hopefully, you've thought about this

01:08:25.220 if you're going to decide to do IVF

01:08:28.500 or decide to have a family later.

01:08:30.780 If not, it's just simple.

01:08:33.020 The only way to beat endometriosis

01:08:34.660 is to get pregnant as soon as you can. 1.00

01:08:38.860 So for women who do have it, 0.68

01:08:40.940 hopefully they can find out as soon as they can.

01:08:42.580 As soon as they do find out they have it,

01:08:43.980 they should stop screwing around i mean even my wife i think you know there was a period between 1.00

01:08:49.240 her her first relationship and me that she was kind of just traveling or working hanging out

01:08:54.920 and it's like she didn't really take it very seriously but i know she would have probably

01:08:58.340 attempted to find someone a lot sooner um had she known was it painful at all like the procedures

01:09:07.320 or whatever like did her body have side effects from like the drugs she had to take definitely 0.98

01:09:12.220 Well, yeah, not the drugs, the procedures were painful. It was a lot of procedures. It's this whole process. If you think of plants, I don't know if you have a garden or anything, but there's a lot of stuff you have to do to the ground before you're able to start a garden.

01:09:31.340 and um that's kind of a good analogy for all of the doctor visits all of the you know they had

01:09:36.700 to do these scopes and go into her uterus and clean it out and have to um do all of these these 1.00

01:09:43.020 things uh and then not to mention um birth process for women with endometriosis is pretty tough

01:09:49.900 because um all of those years of endometriosis causing damage it it causes fibrosis and when

01:09:56.620 fibrosis sets into your reproductive organs they don't stretch as well and then usually these

01:10:02.140 women are having to have c-sections and when you cut into tissue that has fibrosis it bleeds a lot 1.00

01:10:07.980 more so each time she's gone into labor we've had to do a c-section and she's lost a ton of blood 0.90

01:10:14.780 this last time she had uh major complications including like a pneumothorax um they had to

01:10:21.660 remove like a big fibroid there's just all kinds of issues which were super traumatic and i think

01:10:29.820 a lot of that too has to do with having kids later and then the recovery process also um if she was 1.00

01:10:36.140 in you know if she was in tick-top crazy shape i think the surgery recovery would have been easier 1.00

01:10:41.420 but you know as you get older you you you know you may become a bit more sedentary so she she

01:10:47.020 probably didn't recover well because of that as well so a lot of these things i think yeah you

01:10:51.180 know had to do with being a little bit older the endometriosis okay because i was just wondering

01:10:56.460 why it came up out of nowhere and so that makes like it didn't seem like that was a problem 50

01:11:01.900 years ago so that what you said about pregnancy like stopping it that makes perfect sense

01:11:09.020 yeah yeah yeah because there's no more periods and yeah i think a long time ago it wasn't a big

01:11:13.420 issue because women were getting pregnant you know they were getting married in their early 20s 1.00

01:11:19.100 that's only a few years of endometriosis doing its thing and um i've talked to a couple older ladies

01:11:25.420 um i work you know with a bunch of nurses so we talk and they they were saying um you know women 1.00

01:11:31.260 in their 50s and 60s they were saying when they were in their teenage years um around graduating

01:11:37.420 high school they would do a surgery to if the if the girl was having a lot of pain for for during 1.00

01:11:44.300 their period to diagnose endometriosis early um it was just a normal thing for them to do and if it

01:11:50.220 was if they said they um did have it then they would you know kind of hurry that process of

01:11:56.220 having kids along um so it's kind of they they treat it differently now they don't test for it

01:12:00.620 at all until you're showing symptoms um these days because there's no treatment besides pregnancy but

01:12:07.500 i don't think doctors these days or the medical system is looking at pregnancy as a treatment

01:12:11.900 anymore because I think well I know for a fact that that doctors are looking at pregnancy as

01:12:18.640 kind of like something that a woman could either choose to do or not choose to do which is which

01:12:24.400 is the correct but I'm just saying for women who want to have kids they should be encouraging them 0.97

01:12:28.580 to get pregnant but that's just is it a tough test like to do like it's a surgery so they have 0.99

01:12:34.740 do like a laparoscopic surgery okay they go in and they they harvest a biopsy or they

01:12:41.140 go in and look around with the scope so it is a surgery it is hard to test for

01:12:45.620 um there's no other test for it oh okay because i don't know what else he would do it's not like

01:12:51.140 girls in their early 20s are going to want to get a surgery you know what i mean well it's it's a 1.00

01:12:56.900 very minor surgery so i mean i think if my kids are i have two girls so if they're having like

01:13:03.300 major issues with their periods i'll probably encourage them to take a look because my wife has 1.00

01:13:09.780 it you know oh yeah you know so yeah but i can see where where you know a normal healthy woman 1.00

01:13:16.180 would not want to have surgery that's normal yeah well thanks for calling in that was just really

01:13:22.420 informative i learned a lot did you yeah we we are faced with an issue though like we have two

01:13:27.860 embryos left the last two the last two um uh c-sections were pretty traumatic the um so we

01:13:34.740 have to figure out what we're going to do with these embryos my wife is you know she's a soldier 1.00

01:13:38.980 she wants to uh to try to have them both um but i'm just really scared because it's like i don't

01:13:45.060 want her to i don't want her to die to try to have these two embryos you know during yeah during a 1.00

01:13:50.180 c-section but um it is a it is very expensive it's about a thousand dollars to store them per year

01:13:56.580 um and then there are the only the three options so we you know we're kind of and we we look at it

01:14:04.300 as those embryos are ours like the ones that didn't make it like broke our heart you know

01:14:08.480 those are our potential children and uh so i think we come from it from that perspective where it's

01:14:14.860 like we we need to figure this out and uh it is it is a big problem though the the that's why i

01:14:22.280 think this conversation is really important because i don't think i think a lot of people

01:14:26.380 they don't think of it like that and that's pretty troubling what are all these embryos just doing

01:14:30.480 they're chilling do you think the technology is going to evolve so women can regularly have kids 1.00

01:14:37.180 in their 40s do you see that happening yeah definitely really so you think you think it's

01:14:43.460 going to get better interesting okay i don't think it's going to get better i just think it's

01:14:48.260 they're they're well they're going to i don't think it's a good thing but i think they're going

01:14:52.440 to they're going to kind of um perfect this process yeah but you can't fight biology though

01:15:00.680 you really can't well most of infertility is due to age so if they can get these eggs frozen and

01:15:07.240 get a ton of them frozen and then decide to unf like that's kind of what the rich people do um

01:15:13.960 and then they can go ahead and put those embryos together in the lab as they meet you know people

01:15:19.400 they want to have kids with later on and if that's not until 40 i mean a uterus is viable and it's a

01:15:25.480 healthy organ so into their 40s it could remain that way if you know uh the a the egg factor i

01:15:33.720 think is the main part of fertility issues for women past 35. really huh not not the like healthy

01:15:42.040 so i saw an article on this website it was some feminist website saying that 1.00

01:15:48.520 you should get your daughter's egg freezing for a graduation call 0.99

01:15:53.160 undergrad graduation present i couldn't believe it well i couldn't believe it i don't know doug

01:15:58.660 mpa the there's so much money like that they want women to think we're going to be young forever so 0.96

01:16:06.480 like the guy that figures out how to get women pregnant in their 40s is going to make a billion

01:16:11.380 dollars i agree like yeah so like that's the question i'm not saying like i i just i wonder

01:16:18.680 in my lifetime how common it's going to be that's kind of my question yeah well i mean it became a

01:16:26.080 ivf became a political issue uh this last presidential race i don't know if you saw any of

01:16:32.040 that um but it's becoming something that i think politicians are realizing is something that

01:16:38.600 people are really wanting to yeah because everyone kind of bent the knee to it everybody did

01:16:44.320 yeah yeah and uh both pro-life side and the pro-choice side and i think um the more that

01:16:51.580 they politicize it i actually wrote a paper about this um the more that they politicize it they that

01:16:56.720 uh you know the more the lobbyists will get involved the more the insurance companies will

01:17:02.640 involved if it becomes covered by insurance it already is it already is so it's not it's not

01:17:09.760 it's not widespread covered by insurance but it is sometimes partially covered by insurance

01:17:15.840 i saw an article where um law firms and then medical uh uh doctors offices and uh medical

01:17:26.800 networks are offering female doctors and lawyers ivf and egg storage in their insurance plans

01:17:33.200 to keep them from having kids until later because most of the time when they have a kid they're

01:17:38.320 going to leave the profession or only go to part-time right yeah to keep that talent in the

01:17:43.120 talent pool i can see that yeah that makes sense someone said hallie berry had her second child at

01:17:48.160 47 no ivf do you believe that yeah that's it you guys gotta campbell that's like the that's like

01:17:56.960 the women wait wait pearl it might be iui which is um instead of putting the the embryo in there 1.00

01:18:06.080 with the catheter they put the egg in there with the catheter and then they put the the sauce in

01:18:11.760 after that this is awesome so they it's just kind of a workaround naomi campo had a kid at 52

01:18:19.920 she kept her eggs and then she got you know she's ivf and had a surrogate carry the child 1.00

01:18:25.280 but she's a mother at 52. and then the brat the rapper her and her wife uh they they took her 1.00

01:18:35.040 wife's eggs out because she was 40 and the brat was 47 so they took the wife's eggs out but she 0.83

01:18:43.040 had a bunch of she had a bunch of blood clots and complications from the egg retrieval process that

01:18:47.200 they recommend that she not carry the child so they got the egg fertilized and then the brat 0.97

01:18:53.360 the rapper carried the child and gave birth to the child

01:18:57.280 what a time insane well thanks for calling in andrew i think we got to move on to the next

01:19:05.120 caller but you've been really informative so i really appreciate you calling in yeah thank you

01:19:09.240 so much yeah anytime great topic thank you yeah call in anytime okay thank you um you can who is

01:19:17.080 next you can put in uh okay we got trump quest

01:19:30.140 some lady had a natural baby at 60. wow did he get on or no 0.99

01:19:44.040 trump quest are you there okay we can just go to the next one then

01:19:49.100 if they both get on though we'll just tell them to wait

01:19:51.920 hi carlos how's it going lady had a oh hi uh make sure you mute me in the background

01:20:01.240 about to do that okay there you go so hi so do you have an experience with ivf or someone that you

01:20:09.800 know i don't but i'm really interested in it um i watch youtubers that you know talk about it

01:20:17.460 there's a couple actually that's popular for that um i don't know if i should talk about other

01:20:22.960 youtubers but um yeah like so what i uh the issue that i wanted to talk about was um so humans for

01:20:32.760 a long time we had like this evolutionary pressure that helped us you know get to where we are right

01:20:37.980 now right we're intelligent we're healthy but right around the industrial revolution

01:20:42.720 there was this problem where we have so much abundance of resources and medicine that

01:20:48.180 these evolutionary pressures went away so for the future of humanity you know i don't think

01:20:55.460 we're going to run out of resources anytime soon and i do think that ivf is going to be

01:20:59.820 you know as the technology gets better it's going to be in my in my mind it's like the only way that

01:21:06.040 we can keep evolving because we don't have these difficult environments anymore you know um we have

01:21:12.980 plenty of food and yeah that's basically that's pretty much the main point i don't know if you

01:21:17.480 have any opinion about that i do so if we have plenty of food and resources um then i think that

01:21:25.340 it would be better for women to just have children younger because the yeah but you know you know 1.00

01:21:31.240 you know we're not going to do that like but i'm just saying rather than pushing this ivf stuff

01:21:37.080 if there's so much abundance of resources well then i don't know why women feel the need to have 1.00

01:21:41.860 to you know pay a hundred thousand dollars for a liberal arts degree to get a job making thirty

01:21:47.720 five thousand dollars a year when they can just have a kid because they don't they don't they

01:21:51.800 don't want to spend their youth on a man like it's like it's either it's either we force women 1.00

01:21:56.880 to be mothers or we give them choice you know it's like because i i think that in my opinion

01:22:03.560 is kind of what it comes down to is like are we do we want to force them is that even possible

01:22:09.280 today and by having kids younger i mean like early 20s mid 20s guys get your heads out of

01:22:17.140 the gutter come on now no i know i know what you meant but i just yeah i'm just i'm looking around

01:22:21.880 and i don't see that happening do you know what i mean like i don't think the college girls 1.00

01:22:25.880 tomorrow are gonna say yeah i want to be a mom they want to go party in miami on a boat with

01:22:31.460 drake or something so because your answer is carlos are you pretty much expecting to be in

01:22:38.380 your 30s or 40s and meet a girl in her 30s and 40s and say i want to do ivf is that pretty much 1.00

01:22:43.560 where you see your the outcome if i have the money i would do it it's just that it's it's

01:22:50.860 pretty expensive and you want to get a good doctor too but um yeah like I think um like like I said

01:22:56.860 some of these people that I follow you know with all of these uh you know like uh problems that we

01:23:04.180 have in society and all of these carcinogenic um and all these other weird diseases that you know

01:23:09.740 come just from the environment um yeah like I just think that I really don't see a future where

01:23:17.440 we're not doing that and i think uh i think something about i heard something about the

01:23:22.280 trump administration making it easier more accessible um and i guess one last point regarding

01:23:28.460 that is um yeah like i like i just i guess how else are we going to you know evolve right it's

01:23:40.580 like what's going to happen if if the technology gets to the point where the children of people who

01:23:45.960 you know can edit the genes of their kids to be very healthy and intelligent are out competing

01:23:52.580 the ones that are natural right um i think you're gonna have a like a very large demand

01:23:59.140 for ivf and and i can i and i i take it that um the main sort of uh reason why people do it now

01:24:08.880 is just to like freeze their eggs right so they can basically postpone being a responsible adult

01:24:14.900 and a parent um but yeah like i just i i just strongly believe that that's like the future you

01:24:21.540 know for for humanity well i'm just gonna have one other thing so remember the rich people are

01:24:26.820 having kids maybe they're putting off kids by head and having ivf the middle class aren't the 1.00

01:24:33.300 are the ones not having children but poor people are going to keep having kids though 1.00

01:24:37.700 right they're going to keep having kids so there's that too

01:24:42.020 yeah well do you think that um like if it was accessible to the middle class um and you know

01:24:52.820 like i guess that's the strong selling point is it's like oh do you want to have healthy kids that

01:24:57.040 are going to grow up to be engineers and doctors um like you know if you had that i think it's i

01:25:03.540 think it's going to be more accessible i don't see a world where i kind of agree with you i don't see

01:25:08.420 a world where this doesn't happen yeah like i don't i think there's too much money in it i just

01:25:14.260 don't see it i my question is how much can they really delay fertility without there being major 0.66

01:25:20.620 issues but imagine in 20 years if women that are 45 and 50 are regularly having children like oh 0.94

01:25:28.780 god well their first kid you know what i mean my grandma was around 45 when she had her ninth kid

01:25:36.040 you know but it's gonna be kind of crazy to watch like

01:25:39.660 first time and i think my mom was like 42 or something but again it was like her sixth kid

01:25:46.460 right so you know okay well thanks for calling in carlos it was an interesting point feel free

01:25:53.880 to call back anytime but i think we got to move on to the next caller sounds good have a good one

01:25:58.920 you too all right we got sure

01:26:10.760 you can just let them both in let's see

01:26:16.760 okay we got john welcome to the show

01:26:20.040 um okay i'm gonna have i hope i'm saying it right ahan go first

01:26:31.400 welcome thank you so much bro welcome to the show um what are your thoughts on the topic

01:26:38.360 first of all uh i've been watching your show since last two years when pearl was like few few

01:26:46.980 thousand followers. Wow. Thanks so much. I would like to make it clear. I would like to make it

01:26:52.920 clear. I really appreciate the stuff that you talk, that you mostly talk about. And I'm actually

01:26:57.900 joining the show from the other side of the world. I'm in Pakistan right now. So a few things that

01:27:03.800 might be not, you know, suitable for the audience in terms of cultural difference. But I have some

01:27:09.640 points because I work with American companies. So, you know, I understand the culture. I understand

01:27:14.620 what people are going through and what kind of conversations are now.

01:27:18.520 We like all perspectives, so you can, yeah, that's fine.

01:27:21.620 That's amazing.

01:27:22.380 So giving you a little bit of background, I'm 29.

01:27:25.440 I'm father of three.

01:27:26.560 I got married when I was 23.

01:27:28.340 So three kids, all praise to God.

01:27:31.360 So now coming to the topic, I don't want to slack around it.

01:27:34.640 IVF, first of all, my degree is in biotechnology, so I understand the whole thing, what this

01:27:40.020 is all about.

01:27:40.520 one thing i would like to add to the last caller is when they say uh this is like imagine having

01:27:49.420 kids at 40 first of all women are not built like that uh their body they you know this is biology 1.00

01:27:56.420 this is uh human life it declines and cannot withstand all the nine month course of pregnancy 0.82

01:28:03.400 right through the you know so they'll have so first of all the eggs will go in they might get

01:28:08.740 pregnant, but it'll be a miscarriage is what you're saying. It will because helping them

01:28:15.380 understand there are two parts of pregnancy. First is placenta coming from the man. And then

01:28:20.540 there is the uterus from the woman. So if placenta is good, if the guy is young, his health is good. 0.74

01:28:26.360 But if the uterus where the whole thing is going to happen for nine months is not in a position to

01:28:32.080 hold the growth and the hormones and changing all that, that's not going to happen. There's

01:28:38.000 not nothing going to happen. And it will be a miscarriage. It will be not only physical damage,

01:28:41.440 but also, you know, mental damage, depression, anxiety, you know, women on some sort of drugs 0.98

01:28:47.100 or whatsoever. But at the same time, what we are pushing toward is delaying kids. It's a problem,

01:28:53.400 not only for the women, but also for the men. So if you're in your post 30s or close to 40s,

01:28:58.960 it will be difficult for you to impregnate somebody because your sperm is not that agile.

01:29:03.840 It's not going to be, you know, that fertilizing or that, you know, strengthen that it will impregnate an egg in an IVF situation.

01:29:13.640 First of all, IVF is an artificial environment.

01:29:18.360 Slight changes, one or two nutrients going up and down, the whole process can't happen.

01:29:23.960 If you have 10 eggs with IVF, you can impregnate at least three.

01:29:27.260 and there is a chances of about 20 to 30 percent of them to you know go to the full pregnancy

01:29:34.960 and even though in most cases first three months is a critical time so within the first three

01:29:40.700 months the pregnancy goes away you there's very few chances I've been around people that done 1.00

01:29:46.280 that process they were blessed they had money everything but it's a big toll on the woman's 1.00

01:29:52.740 it takes a lot of you know experimentation going on back and forth so making it available to middle

01:30:00.380 class or poor people it's also fugazi that people are talking about and I don't think so it's coming

01:30:06.060 any forward pretty soon people will realize that we have to go back to the same thing which we used

01:30:10.960 to do you know getting married in early ages being a responsible you know person and repopulate the

01:30:18.140 Do you really see that happening? Because I don't see any trend or data anywhere that that's going to happen. The only investments I see is into technology. I'm not saying what I want to happen, but I look at the trends. I'm like, I don't see it going any other way. But I'm open to being proven wrong, so feel free.

01:30:39.580 No, no. It's not like that. I would say data is one indicator. But on the other side, when things go wrong, people tend to go with the processes which work. That's how humans evolve. And when they see something is not working out, they'll go to something that used to work out.

01:30:58.880 And again, I would say this is natural selection. So if somebody thinks they're so smart and they're going to dodge the whole nature cycle, eventually what's going to happen is nature is going to catch up with them and they will be obsolete. Their gene will be out of gene pool. And some poor guy with 11 kids or 10 kids or five kids is going to replace that gene pool. And what are you going to do about it?

01:31:21.440 Do you know what, though? I think the problem is social media. It doesn't even matter if the technology works. Women just have to believe that it works. Does that make sense? I think that's the caveat. Go ahead. 1.00

01:31:37.920 I understand. Even though living in a third world country, I'm looking at the present situation out there. I'm a kind of a social person. I like to go out, sit with people, talk about these things. Because let me tell you guys, all the viewers that are watching from Europe or America or something like that, anything you guys discuss eventually get discussed among us as well in the third world.

01:32:01.100 Because you guys are, you know, now being the first world nation, you guys are the trendsetters, right?

01:32:06.540 So when you bring something in discussion, that also gets discussed among us.

01:32:12.000 So we see there are a few problems with the Western way of thinking.

01:32:15.820 And eventually you guys are going to realize yourself as well.

01:32:19.600 And that's where we're going to go.

01:32:21.600 Do you see any of the trends that are happening here, happening in Pakistan?

01:32:27.120 Yes.

01:32:27.600 first of all the feminism uh third wave women don't think they they should get married i'm in 1.00

01:32:32.800 a muslim country where so you agree the trends are going the same way i was about to ask i've

01:32:38.720 always wanted to get a person how does the feminism work in a predominantly in a muslim society how 1.00

01:32:45.440 does that work well i would like to add one thing uh if you some of the people that understand the

01:32:52.640 religion out there, especially Muslim religion, feminism is not something which should have 1.00

01:32:58.680 affected us because the way Islam talks about women, except the Fox News and ABC, whatever 0.99

01:33:07.520 news channels you guys are watching there, women already have a lot of rights, which 1.00

01:33:13.340 in post-1900 women in America and Europe got when we had those rights in our culture since 0.99

01:33:20.860 the beginning. So if we take the litmus test of modern so-called Islamic countries, that's not 0.97

01:33:28.140 a justice with the religion, to be very honest with you. So Muslims are very immune to this thing 0.98

01:33:34.300 that it's not going to affect us because we hear women don't like to go out work.

01:33:40.080 Muslim women, they think that the best thing they can have is a good husband that takes care of them. 1.00

01:33:43.920 Okay. But now when you get shamed for choosing the motherhood, it eventually catches up. So

01:33:52.920 young women that are going to universities that are watching YouTube and all the Netflix and all

01:33:59.800 that stuff. So they think that they know something better. And now I'm married. I see people around

01:34:06.860 me that are not getting married. They wish traditional ways, but the way they act is like

01:34:13.180 modern and all that so now there is a big big lag which which women think that it's their own fault 1.00

01:34:22.620 i have one more question so we have christian feminism in the west especially in the united 0.94

01:34:27.900 states where women the in church ended up you've probably seen stories but is there that going on

01:34:36.140 in pakistan was a christian kind of islam i'm sorry a feminist kind of islam developing 0.75

01:34:41.820 Yeah. Women wish they should bring something where they can demean men. But the thing is, our society is mostly predominantly patriarchal because men do most of the work. In Third World Nation, you cannot afford to be a feminist because life is not that easy. 0.92

01:34:59.760 uh when you go out uh you know you don't get to be i would say uh being in an air conditioning

01:35:08.420 transport going to the work and you have like privileges and all that

01:35:12.800 this is like a cutthroat society where everybody's trying to make their living

01:35:17.020 so they're trying to become that but when they go out when they face the music in in the real

01:35:24.400 society they understand the better ways to be sit at home and or maybe you know do something like

01:35:29.580 business-wise and have a husband that takes care of them right okay thank you thank you for calling

01:35:35.660 in i have to move on to the next caller it was it was pleasant thank you so much for having me and

01:35:41.180 i really appreciate you guys keep discussing such things that really you know i would say make it

01:35:45.340 make a difference thank you so much thank you um jonathan thank you pearl do you have anything to add

01:35:51.420 you're on mute yeah you're muted if you're on mute

01:35:58.120 now can you hear yeah i can hear you hello welcome to the show

01:36:02.580 oh welcome it's my first time on the show i've been watching you for a long time now so

01:36:08.700 i like this thing well i'm from nicaragua okay and based on this theme that you're having tonight

01:36:16.580 i've been listening very carefully but i don't really see lots of that problem on here

01:36:23.720 you know women saving the eggs and stuff like that you see you got very strong women down here 1.00

01:36:30.580 you do see that happening there no oh you don't you don't see that happening in nicaragua

01:36:37.260 yeah it's not really no got a lot of strong women around here and most of them are 1.00

01:36:45.480 still 40 at their party even 15 so so when you see stories like this whole ivf thing or women 0.95

01:36:54.640 you know doing ivf by themselves what do you think at first it's strange to me you know i would

01:37:03.220 imagine so because it's like i don't know sometimes sometimes i listen to pearl team and

01:37:12.260 like you know some of those theme like feminist things and stuff like that you know some of them 1.00

01:37:19.540 we do have but really like this kind you know let's go back to finance people don't even have

01:37:27.140 money for that so you know and um they're very percentage is very low in um barring women so 1.00

01:37:37.220 So you've got a lot of people who, even though we have kids like 15, 16 years having a baby,

01:37:45.200 you know, very good.

01:37:46.740 And they go right up.

01:37:48.040 It's like, I believe the food they eat, the water, the drink, and the air, you know, everything

01:37:54.420 is much more natural.

01:37:56.000 So it's like, let's go back in the 80s or in the 90s.

01:38:00.860 People are still strong over here.

01:38:02.440 yeah well thank you for so much for sharing your experience it's always cool and we have people

01:38:08.820 from other countries call in um i think we got to move on to the next caller but thank you so much

01:38:14.300 um put in matt next and i think that's gonna be the last caller hey matt how's it going oh not bad

01:38:27.580 oh sorry you're okay um so what are your thoughts on the topic to be honest with you i'm okay with 0.88

01:38:36.840 it my women women are so screwed all right our collapse society is like eminent so all you guys 0.99

01:38:47.260 out there that have all kinds of resources that you kind of want to hand off to a son or something 0.99

01:38:51.540 like that you might as well just take advantage of that technology and save yourself like go ahead

01:38:58.740 at this at this point like i mentioned in the youtube chat you know there's enough there's

01:39:03.540 research going on there about external gestation you know and steve mentioned there too you got

01:39:08.980 crisper technology so you might as well create a synthetic human there with no gender and hope for 1.00

01:39:14.900 the best i guess that's what i think about it so so would you would you do it if you were if you

01:39:22.820 had a wife or a girlfriend that had fertility issues or would you dump her and find someone 0.94

01:39:27.780 younger where would you go like i well to be honest i wouldn't mind having somebody younger

01:39:33.940 but the problem is i ain't really attractive very much in my demographic of the world unfortunately

01:39:39.860 where are you at yeah i'm in your i'm in winnipeg actually and then i'm kind of heading

01:39:46.740 getting ready to move further north there into tulon manitoba what kind of women do they have 1.00

01:39:52.020 like like lumberjack woman or well you know if you like if you like toothless toothless indians 1.00

01:39:59.300 and you know and they say that like there's these trad women in the country that are just like 1.00

01:40:05.700 waiting to like make bread do they not exist no while waiting to tap trees for maple syrup right

01:40:12.020 yeah are they there like the kind of like the kind of women out here are not bad but they're just 1.00

01:40:18.820 okay manitoba is like this weird zombified province okay it's like okay you know if the

01:40:28.500 universities i go to you think that there's going to be dorm rooms of lots of you know you

01:40:33.540 you see all you know you go into say what do you call it um like ucla whatever it is and you've got

01:40:39.540 the protests we're gonna snop out all those christians and we want uh anti-abortion and 0.88

01:40:45.540 pro-abortion and you got all these people that are ready to kill each other so you got a little 0.91

01:40:49.860 bit here in manitoba they're like in the in the university of manitoba for instance and everybody's

01:40:54.580 like yeah we we don't like abortion and everybody's just like yeah you know whatever there's there's

01:41:01.220 no there's no frat houses here there's no there's no uh so people don't people don't hook up they're

01:41:07.860 not like doing it no it's just like it just displaces you go to school you get education

01:41:11.860 you get the out you go to work you get your work you get your money and you get the out

01:41:16.420 and most of the nightclubs are well there's a couple of clubs here in winnipeg but they're

01:41:21.620 just kind of around there's like three of them and there's nothing a whole hell of a lot of

01:41:25.460 of them there probably is a lot of hookup culture but it's just so scarce and empty and zombified

01:41:32.980 i'm like these women are not celibate they're doing somebody no they are you're absolutely

01:41:38.420 right i'm just saying that winnipeg manitoba is a place of just zombified people like i don't know

01:41:46.580 it's for the men too it's it's it's a very weird place everybody's all fluoride damage or something

01:41:52.900 around here like it just like it just they're like you i have to wonder if they're even human

01:41:57.860 beings you go if i go into north dakota just south of the border and you start noticing a

01:42:02.580 radical change in culture but as soon as you get across as soon as you cross over the canada border

01:42:07.300 northern manitoba everything is just zombie so you just how old are you i'm 40 years old

01:42:15.060 so if you met a 40 year old woman and she said let's give it a go with ivf you're down

01:42:19.220 well i said there you know might as well just grow it in a maturation chamber

01:42:25.060 but you're you're in yeah it's just like you might as well like i need i like i'm an only child okay

01:42:31.780 i got no brothers sisters i got thousands of dollars for the resources where are they going

01:42:35.860 to go you know you might as well so okay do you know anybody that's done it personally

01:42:44.020 no actually no you don't i don't think i've never even seen the procedure available anywhere in this

01:42:48.740 part of the country i'm pretty sure it might be somewhere but i've just never heard of it even for

01:42:53.380 being offered in this area so when you meet your like maple syrup queen up there you can you have

01:42:59.940 to you'll fly her to like you'll fly you'll fly her to to wherever whatever the big cities are

01:43:10.720 in canada i don't even know probably have to fly her to texas or something or la or california 1.00

01:43:17.640 where they screw everything right up maybe we'll get a fertility doctor on the network 1.00

01:43:24.200 you can't beat them join them do you know what i mean well absolutely like there's all kinds

01:43:29.240 of things that can be done like for god's sakes you know there might even i've come across uh

01:43:34.120 some really interesting research and uh actually believe not in electromagnetics this is very

01:43:39.400 advanced electromagnetics i bet you the other guy that from pakistan would love i'd love to

01:43:44.040 have a conversation with them okay that there may actually be possible to like for instance a 20

01:43:51.480 year old woman if you were to grab a bunch of her eggs that you could actually almost digitize the 1.00

01:43:57.400 complete uh genome section into a computer and then actually put it back so you can see if the

01:44:03.720 kids you can see if the kid's gonna be ugly or not well hold on a minute it might be possible to

01:44:10.920 digitally change dna yeah like it might actually be possible like to reach into you pearl scoop 0.89

01:44:17.080 out a bunch of of your ovaries or eggs or whatever is your ovaries i said and re-stripe them like uh 1.00

01:44:23.960 like a vhs cassette hey i said a million a million dollars i'll sell one i wonder if they're gonna 0.90

01:44:30.360 have a racket where they'll they'll pay 20 to 25 year old women for their eggs for people to use 1.00

01:44:38.920 i bet no they do they do it already that's the thing yeah that's totally a thing yeah okay i

01:44:45.320 didn't know that well now now with the like with the ability like the dna inside human beings

01:44:50.840 believe it or not has all kinds of information and it's really fascinating so it's totally possible

01:44:56.920 let's just say pearl 90 years from not 90 years now it's too far let's just say 40 50 years from

01:45:03.560 now your mother's walking around with a cane she's got gray hair she's lost all her teeth 1.00

01:45:08.920 I came across Russian research, which I kind of lost during a police raid, but it was very, very in-depth, about a woman in their 90s growing back her teeth by taking light from one of their daughters.

01:45:25.440 So laser light would shine on the gums and then come back out through a quartz fiber back to another woman, to her mother, and shine that light onto the damaged section of the mouth and able to actually regrow the tooth.

01:45:43.080 And part of the reason why is as you age, it's like having a VHS tape or a cassette tape and the tape gets chewed up.

01:45:49.840 But if you're able to restructure that genetic sequence, which much of it exists, if you had offspring, there's entirely possible that the immune system can actually rebuild that damaged section of DNA.

01:46:03.760 So presumably, isn't that what Assassin's Creed the game is about?

01:46:08.800 Well, I don't know about that.

01:46:10.200 I'm just playing on this way. They have a thing with Assassin's Creed. That's kind of where you can tell someone's history through their DNA. I was making a joke.

01:46:17.800 Well, actually, you know what? You might there might be something to that, unfortunately, which is I won't get into it now, because if you want to know more, I can give you more of my awful airfare.

01:46:26.460 But I've seen two stories where the the the daughter had something go wrong with her uterus where she couldn't carry a child. 1.00

01:46:36.560 So her husband and the daughter had the mother carry their child. 0.99

01:46:42.060 So the mother gave birth to the grandchild.

01:46:45.160 then i saw a story where the son was infertile so the father they used the father's sperm to

01:46:55.680 impregnate his wife the dad didn't sleep with the wife they used insemination so the father 0.91

01:47:01.720 used his sperm to impregnate the wife and they had a kid so they're they're raising 0.98

01:47:07.380 his brother as their grandchild it makes perfect sense like you have to understand

01:47:14.920 you can do this all with computers now like analog to digital conversion technology and

01:47:19.320 instrumentation is so advanced now that there is probably there is more than enough computing power

01:47:25.640 to be able to digitize enough of the genome spectrum um at you know at high bid rates

01:47:32.200 to be able to take it off of uh say a sperm sample and re-stripe it onto another sperm sample like

01:47:38.600 there is more than enough technology to do that now i want to spread i want to spread i want to

01:47:44.120 spread my eggs you know guys can spread their seeds well you know that well if you've done

01:47:51.640 enough computer version technology it might actually be possible why not i know it's funny

01:47:56.280 but it might actually be possible now hey that's so crazy thanks um yeah go ahead no no no i was

01:48:05.400 gonna say thank you for calling in matt he he put in the chat what's the show about i'm calling in

01:48:10.120 so i knew he was going to come in through always good calling matt thank you for calling in bro

01:48:14.260 thanks matt calling anytime thank you very much bye-bye bye um i think there was one super chat

01:48:21.940 i didn't read it was let me go up let me go back um also thank you to everyone in the audacity chat

01:48:32.320 we love you out here doug mpa isn't the audacity chat awesome yeah the youtube chat the audacity

01:48:39.820 chat and there's a bunch of new faces and both so thank you guys for being in both chats we really

01:48:44.620 appreciate it thank you for all the donations and uh if we ever do a show about ivf again pearl

01:48:49.580 there's a guy there's a british guy who met this single he came to the united states and moved to

01:48:55.020 california and he met this single mom of three they got married but he they wanted to have a child

01:49:02.140 but she was in her late 30s and he robbed banks to come up with money for they would do seven

01:49:08.780 rounds of IVF to have their child he robbed banks to pay the money back and he said he got caught

01:49:15.740 and had to go to prison yeah he sold like eighty thousand dollars to try to pay out because they

01:49:21.320 went over a hundred thousand dollars in IVF debt he robbed banks he got thrown in jail and then

01:49:26.540 got deported I would just take that Al Anna says great show tonight the topic commentary and guests

01:49:32.600 were very interesting um captain says I think a lot of autism comes from ultrasound scans this

01:49:38.720 This is because the technology was designed as a weapon.

01:49:41.320 Let that sink in.

01:49:42.740 I don't really think so.

01:49:43.680 I think the old eggs makes way more sense.

01:49:50.320 I think that's everything from this chat.

01:49:54.060 I think there was one super chat I missed.

01:49:58.260 Okay, what are your final thoughts on the topic, Doug MPA?

01:50:02.220 um we're gonna see more and more women uh counting on ivf as a family planning strategy 1.00

01:50:10.940 we're gonna see more single mothers by choice uh you're gonna see more women getting disappointed

01:50:15.980 because he can't fight biology he just can't do it and um yeah and single mothers by choice 0.61

01:50:22.620 are the worst and that's it emma says congrats on re-monetization

01:50:28.620 um i my final thoughts are that i expect this to get worse um i don't see it getting better

01:50:35.720 and i know i'm black pilled guys but i'm a happy black pillar so that makes it better okay um i do

01:50:43.340 think it's going to be more common for women to have kids in their late 30s 40s and even 50s

01:50:48.340 i don't think the majority will be successful but i think there will be enough that do it

01:50:54.360 that will spread hope to all women to make them think that they can be them, 1.00

01:50:59.940 but they don't have their money, resources, or looks to pull it off.

01:51:03.480 Similar to Taylor Swift bagging an NFL athlete, Super Bowl champion at like 36 or whatever she is. 1.00

01:51:13.140 You know, she gives women hope everywhere that they can do that and they can't. 1.00

01:51:17.700 I think it'll be something similar.

01:51:20.060 Do you agree with that, Doug, MPA?

01:51:21.500 begrudgingly yeah i mean that's the reality the sad reality so but we're happy people so it's all

01:51:29.980 right right you know okay guys um thanks so much for watching today i love having these interesting

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