Pearl - March 03, 2026


Rachel Wilson Tells Her Story on Joe Rogan

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Jojo Ragan is a writer, activist, and all-around weirdo who grew up in the late 80s and early 90s in a broken family and grew up with a father and a mother who were both addicted to drugs and alcohol. As a child, she was raised in a world where her alcoholic mother and alcoholic father were the norm, and her alcoholic father was the only man in her world. In her new book, she tells the story of how she overcame the stigma surrounding her alcoholic parents and overcame her own addictions to become a writer and activist.

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00:00:00.000 i end up doing everything and everybody else gets the a even though i did everything so those are
00:00:04.080 the people that are really into socialism people that have fast stuff yes sit back relax get some
00:00:09.920 popcorn today we're we're gonna all watch joe rogan yeah so i had divorced parents yeah
00:00:19.040 really didn't like like another four years of school just sounded like hell to me didn't really
00:00:24.560 think too much into how this all got started until i listened to your book and i'm like this is kind
00:00:30.320 of bonkers so before we get into your book like how did you decide to write about this like what
00:00:37.040 what was your little journey oh or big journey yeah it's kind of a big journey so uh when i was
00:00:43.120 growing up i was like a in all the advanced kid classes and from the time i was in like kindergarten
00:00:48.640 it was just pounded into my head like you're going to college you're going to have a career
00:00:53.680 it you know you're smart and you have to do something with that it was like the only option
00:00:57.920 that was put before me and so i followed that path like all the way through school
00:01:01.840 and by the time i got done with 12 years of regular school i realized a couple things one
00:01:06.960 is uh school is not where you go to learn things uh school isn't nest public school is not so great
00:01:12.400 for smart people for the most part and that i really didn't like like another four years of
00:01:19.680 school just sounded like hell to me and i really just wanted to get married and have kids that's
00:01:25.120 kind of what i always wanted to do much to the horror of my marxist feminist mother um who did 0.97
00:01:32.000 not like that at an early age well she tried you can't always control your kids that's the thing a
00:01:37.040 lot of people think um that you can control your kid a doll we're really doing the lowest dollar
00:01:44.320 super chat here okay sorry okay but i was the why kid i was the kid that's just like why why but why
00:01:54.400 um and i had like a rush limbaugh dad wow yeah they got divorced shocker who could have seen it
00:02:01.360 coming um so they got divorced when i was like nine and i had so i grew up in like two worlds
00:02:06.000 i had like republican business owner rush limbaugh dad and i had marxist feminist crazy mom was the 1.00
00:02:12.400 mom always marxist feminist and was the the the dad always like a rush limbo republican yep how 0.83
00:02:18.800 did they fall in love how did all that happen i was an accident oh so they just fall in lust
00:02:25.680 i was like a an oops baby and my dad said that when he saw me he was like well i don't want
00:02:32.080 anybody else great like this is the only thing that matters to me so i'm gonna make this work
00:02:36.480 and he tried his best how did they even hook up that never works such radically different
00:02:41.760 ideologies hey sometimes you you what you hate you know hate is closer to love i don't think
00:02:49.040 they were talking about that sort of thing when they got together they were probably hanging out
00:02:52.200 at a bar oh so they didn't really know each other very well not really no they were kind of like
00:02:58.020 they worked in the same place and met at work and then had like a fling and then i was born yeah
00:03:05.000 yeah so i had divorced parents yeah it was it was really rough because my mother like hated my dad 0.79
00:03:13.960 she could never tell you anything he did wrong yeah it was just like he's a evil white patriarchist
00:03:20.440 bad bad republican man one of my earliest memories is them fighting over the bush 0.64
00:03:25.080 dukakis election in 88 and like threatening to lock each other in the house so that the
00:03:28.920 one couldn't cancel the other one's vote yeah yeah i know it was fun was this before after
00:03:35.640 kitty dukakis drank mouthwash or what did she drink she drank something like that aftershave 1.00
00:03:40.680 or mouthwash to try to get drunk yeah she would the pressure of the election must have been so
00:03:47.400 insane and this is pre-social media right and this lady was already struggling with like alcoholism 1.00
00:03:54.280 and uh i think she was hospitalized for drinking something that was not a drink well can you find
00:04:00.680 out what that was it was really crazy right remember do you remember that i just remember
00:04:05.000 that whole election being pretty nuts like as far as like the democrats versus republicans
00:04:09.880 this was when democrats were more like how republicans are right now they weren't like
00:04:15.480 ride in a tank to make everybody think he was like a pro-war tough guy remember that yeah
00:04:20.200 yeah this is before me i wasn't alive yeah and i remember reading my lips no new taxes and all
00:04:26.240 that stuff so like i i had this going on like as a kid so i think my brain was already thinking
00:04:31.640 about this sort of stuff from the time i was little rubbing alcohol oh that's crazy nail 0.98
00:04:38.740 polish remover oh my god she drank nail polish remover holy shit she couldn't just huff paint 1.00
00:04:46.520 like normal person very open about her struggles with alcohol and addiction to amphetamines 0.97
00:04:51.720 to reduce the stigma surrounding these issues later detailing these experiences in her books
00:04:56.500 okay yeah so my parents were like ready to kill each other over that and so they divorced right
00:05:04.060 right after that they divorced and so i'd spend time with dad and i'd spend time with mom and i
00:05:08.540 had two completely different realities and worldviews and i think growing up like that
00:05:14.540 you're trying to sort out what's true you're trying to figure out like is there any merit to
00:05:18.460 what mom's saying the world is or any merit to what dad's saying the world is and i think dad
00:05:23.440 was more persuasive and and better at pulling me his direction because i never really absorbed 0.98
00:05:28.180 like i always thought marxism was you know faking gay and stupid i just never bought into it at all 0.98
00:05:34.020 why at an early age did you think that uh because i already had seen that you know we're not all 0.99
00:05:41.100 born equal with equal things and some people work much harder some people have natural gifts and
00:05:46.980 talents and to think that because my mother would literally say stuff in the house like 1.00
00:05:52.220 from you know from each person according to their ability to each person according to their need and
00:05:57.960 i was like even when i do that in class like if there's a group project everybody wants me on
00:06:02.580 their team because i'm the smart kid who's going to do the homework i end up doing everything and
00:06:06.280 everybody else gets the a even though i did everything so those are the people that are
00:06:09.640 into socialism people that have fast stuff yes yeah and so like from being a little kid i even
00:06:16.120 noticed like no things aren't equal and things aren't always fair and it depends on you know
00:06:22.840 your natural skills and abilities and then what you do with those things because there's lots of
00:06:26.680 people like my mother was super talented really intelligent person but she was so like emotionally 0.98
00:06:32.440 chaotic she never applied them to anything she never really got anywhere or did anything she had
00:06:37.080 big dreams of what she thought she should have and never really got there because she was so
00:06:42.920 like emotionally unregulated and kind of chaotic so i just kind of saw that no there's not this
00:06:48.920 like thing where you can just even the playing field and make it all equal for everyone that's
00:06:52.680 not how it works there's also a thing that if you're locked up in something like marxism you
00:06:58.760 if that's your ideology you're in this constant struggle with the rest of the world all the time
00:07:05.640 where you want to bend it to your ideology you want to change it and so even if you're a very
00:07:10.840 intelligent person your daily mindset is struggle your daily mindset is conflict and existential
00:07:19.480 crisis like you know that is exactly that was that was the picture that was laid in front of
00:07:24.920 me yeah i go to dad's house and he's like he started a business after the divorce and he's
00:07:30.920 like hustling he's working 12 to 14 hour days he's doing everything he can to make it work he's not
00:07:36.200 complaining he's just like this is what you got to do if you want to make it if you want to you
00:07:40.200 know do your own thing and prove that you know you're good at what you do you have to compete
00:07:44.360 you have to get out there you have to work hard why complain about it and then my mom's whole
00:07:49.080 world was she ended up being very bitter and resentful because it was like this view of
00:07:53.640 but i deserved this that should have been me i got robbed of it because here's the thing a lot of
00:07:59.480 women that are like super left are gonna raise these daughters that just hate their guts 1.00
00:08:06.760 my mom's running for congress i don't think women should vote i'm not gonna get too into it right 1.00
00:08:11.400 but that's the difference in opinion you know what i mean i'll tell you what you know like and
00:08:16.440 what's gonna prove it what's gonna prove it is actually because we saw their life choices yeah
00:08:23.400 as whatever reason and often it was like if i was more attractive you know the men at work would
00:08:30.280 have given me a raise if i looked like the other woman in the office or something you know so it 1.00
00:08:34.680 was like this bitter resentful she was kind of like at war with the world so seeing those two
00:08:41.160 things neither of my parents are perfect who is who has perfect parents but it was kind of like
00:08:46.840 i'd rather play over here where there's a purpose for me working hard and giving it my best shot
00:08:51.880 and trying in life and figuring out what's important to me and then tailoring you know all
00:08:57.480 my efforts toward that and i just thought that um having a family was so cool and i wanted to have
00:09:05.000 the family i didn't have so uh i i had this dream of like getting married having kids having an
00:09:11.400 intact family and making it like a place where kids can grow up without all the screaming and
00:09:17.800 and yelling and chaos that i had yeah i i think that rachel just my recommendation would get less 0.98
00:09:25.260 grief for her you know the the divorces and that stuff i know she never says she's perfect
00:09:32.800 i'm not either but the problem when you put your story like your personal story out i just i if i
00:09:40.060 were her i wouldn't put it out as much because then people just you give them ammo you know i
00:09:44.840 know or maybe makes people connect with you that's a decision every creator has to make
00:09:49.880 and that a lot of kids have nowadays so um didn't go to college i had a full ride scholarship and i
00:09:56.040 didn't go which everybody thought was the end of the world it was like a million views i'm kind
00:10:01.240 of curious what was the difference between her and andrews he said what the heck where did his go
00:10:06.040 latest god where is andrew the heck am i missing something i just i'm only looking because i saw
00:10:12.520 a tweet that was like if she gets more joe rogan andrew if she gets more views than me oh 2.1 now
00:10:20.760 one month ago four days maybe you think i'll ever go on joe rogan guys do you think he'll ever have
00:10:26.840 me on okay i want to go a little further uh because i know her story education is something
00:10:33.320 that allows you to get along without intelligence and intelligence is something that allows you to
00:10:37.880 get along without education i like that that's yeah and i was like oh i get it there's there's 0.52
00:10:43.960 certain people that are just dumb at certain things like i remember being around intelligent
00:10:49.560 people that had no knowledge of how a car worked okay i've been thinking more about the peasant 0.96
00:10:57.640 class and the high status class i think i'm going to start calling it the high status class and
00:11:02.920 everybody is fighting like hell to be in the high status class because the high status class
00:11:08.040 includes the dating marketplace so men are looking to like make a lot of money they're
00:11:13.720 like i want to be in the high status class women are like like me i go to the gym every day you 1.00
00:11:20.520 know we're getting botox plastic surgery maybe i'll get a new face next year i don't know but
00:11:27.080 we fight like hell that's why anna kasparian her face like doesn't move like she's obviously had 1.00
00:11:31.720 ton of work done um and it's because they don't want to be in the peasant class meaning they have 0.94
00:11:38.200 to like do all their own stuff but the problem is when you're in the high status class you're
00:11:42.600 functionally retarded in some areas the peasant class the low status class they learn how to do 1.00
00:11:48.120 things themselves they cook their own meals they know how to they know how to um budget really well
00:11:54.440 like they, because they're forced to, they have to. Yeah. Women have high status in their twenties 1.00
00:12:01.820 for just existing. Correct. And that's why they don't take the opinion of low status men or ugly
00:12:07.740 women. Those are usually the ones crying that like women are whores. The high status men aren't crying 1.00
00:12:12.980 that women are whores because they're banging the whores, right? They're like, no, no, no, 1.00
00:12:16.120 this is great. It's low status men that are upset. And it's the same thing with, in general, right?
00:12:22.440 um it's the same thing with ugly women you know that's what i know i realized i would always 1.00
00:12:27.880 bitch about girls like getting on yachts in dubai but i was like i was never invited to a yacht so 0.99
00:12:32.680 i just would never know what that's like but then the men enter into high status later in life 0.98
00:12:39.320 because they become something and i think that's like the biggest time when women crash out when 1.00
00:12:44.520 they lose their status and the men gain their status because they they women generally marry 1.00
00:12:50.520 men lower in status that like than them but their status is dwindling so they're like usually on the
00:12:56.760 tail end of their status they get a low lower status guy but not by much and he's about to
00:13:02.200 ascend them in status does that make sense does that make sense so like that but a lot of times
00:13:08.440 the low status people are smarter than the high status people because they can do stuff themselves
00:13:14.520 right they can fix their own car they can where the high status people have people do things for
00:13:20.920 them so any of the workings of a car you would tell well this is back in like spark plug days
00:13:26.840 you could explain to them like oh one of the cables for your spark plug got loose you're
00:13:30.680 only firing on five cylinders the six the whole six is not that's why it's like shaking like that
00:13:35.800 who like if that if it was anything else if you're talking about the economy if you're talking about 0.97
00:13:40.840 about the political process that guy would think the other guy was a moron but now this guy thinks 0.86
00:13:45.960 he's more i remember like being like auto shop class going there's a lot of different kinds of 0.97
00:13:51.220 intelligence we've just done this weird thing where we've categorized like no complete like
00:13:57.960 there are highly intelligent people but they apply their intelligence in different ways and
00:14:03.340 some people just have like a random thing they're really smart at like my dad is a brother who's
00:14:09.720 just a really good pilot. He's not a pilot professionally or anything, but he's just really
00:14:13.840 good at flying.