Pearl - December 10, 2025


SHOCKING： ＂Im Racist＂, says NJF On Piers Morgan

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Nick Fuentes Karen Barry Weiss Scott Adams Coleman Hughes David Ellison Piers Morgan Daniel Penny Saint Pearl
White People Will Simply Walk Away White Men Will Just Walk Away From Conservative Politics

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In this episode, I sit down with comedian and podcaster Sassy Saint to discuss a variety of topics, including: Nick Fucetes Why he's a racist? What does he really think about the Black Lives Matter movement and much more!

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00:00:00.000 I mean, it couldn't be clearer, really, unless you want to say that's another of your jokes.
00:00:03.920 But you're basically saying, yeah, I'm a racist, aren't you?
00:00:06.940 Yeah.
00:00:07.580 Yeah, I'm fine with that.
00:00:08.980 Now, I want you to pay attention. 0.72
00:00:10.380 Now, whenever somebody, sorry, Saint, he's a grifter.
00:00:13.960 I don't really care, you know, but it's just, it just kind of goes like this. 1.00
00:00:18.500 Black people go at white people in bad faith and they're shocked when we walk away and say, fuck you. 1.00
00:00:23.940 They're disrespectful. 1.00
00:00:25.320 And then you're like, oh, well, why are white people walking away?
00:00:28.560 It's like, well, I thought it'd be interesting.
00:00:33.320 And, you know, you know, do you see Nick?
00:00:34.940 He's smiling.
00:00:35.800 Good faith.
00:00:36.520 Pierce, bad faith.
00:00:37.680 Already scowling already.
00:00:39.420 And it's because he's yeah, you'll ever it's because Nick's going to go in good faith.
00:00:45.440 He's going to go bad.
00:00:46.360 Talked a lot about me on your show over the years.
00:00:48.940 And this is the first time you actually extended the invitation.
00:00:52.860 I think it might be the second, actually.
00:00:54.620 I think we we talked about doing it during A24 a few years ago, but you've talked a lot about me with the panel.
00:01:00.720 And now you've extended the invitation to talk to me.
00:01:03.940 And I think it'd be interesting for me to maybe clarify some positions and maybe get to know you a little better as well.
00:01:10.260 So I'm looking forward to it. There is a belief that you have two personas.
00:01:16.460 There's one that you roll out now for podcasts and for shows like mine where you come across as reasonable.
00:01:24.620 And then there's your show on Rumble, where you often come across as having, you know, a very unreasonable view on things.
00:01:33.520 This is what Coleman Hughes said about you.
00:01:37.360 Nick Fuentes knows exactly what he's doing.
00:01:40.680 He is consciously playing this double game as part of a long-term strategy to become popular.
00:01:46.480 See, again, this is bad faith.
00:01:48.320 It's you don't say what you mean.
00:01:49.840 It's like the worst.
00:01:51.180 um i said sassy saint not sorry i don't like him well thank you for the super chat um feel free to
00:01:59.100 pay me guys feel free to please pay me you know and i will read the super enough to take the reins
00:02:05.200 of power at which point he plans to pivot towards the extreme and unpopular policies that he
00:02:12.080 advocates daily on rumble so first of all what is your response to that well first of all i would
00:02:19.840 say that coleman hughes is a propagandist he works for the free press which is run by barry weiss so
00:02:25.320 i think that's you have to consider the source and barry weiss is a pro-israel partisan free
00:02:31.140 press is just bought out by cbs for 150 million dollars uh by larry ellison or his son david
00:02:37.960 ellison and so i think that's coming from a particular point of view we can't pretend like
00:02:42.560 that's coming from a vacuum or from some fixed position that's coming from a propaganda outlet
00:02:48.580 that's in favor of israel that's first but second i would say he is right about the two personas
00:02:55.060 and i think that everybody understands this on some level on my show i make jokes and i use
00:03:00.960 rhetoric and i'm hyperbolic uh because for a long time i had an audience that was small
00:03:06.260 on these like dissident platforms i was on d live for many years a lot of people don't even
00:03:12.740 know what that is and so i had a small following and we had sort of like an in-group sense of
00:03:18.280 humor and memes and things like that and you talk about it one way on a freewheeling live stream
00:03:24.380 when I'm by myself and I'm ranting and we make jokes and um we play devil's advocate we play
00:03:30.120 with different positions but then when you sit down in an interview like this one and people
00:03:35.100 ask me a good faith question what do you actually believe well then I clarify and I say well here
00:03:39.820 I'm not joking here I'm not being hyperbolic I'm not being rhetorical I'll tell you precisely what
00:03:44.480 i believe as far as this idea okay i'm gonna skip forward um to where so what when interviewers don't
00:03:53.120 like you and as an audience it's best if you can figure out like how to what will happen is they
00:03:58.800 will take the most uncharitable quotes that you've ever said and they'll go through your content
00:04:04.400 looking for anything they can take out of context it's why i really don't like doing interviews
00:04:08.880 anymore because imagine i go on a show and they say oh pearl you said that you're going to be a
00:04:14.880 villain now what did you mean by that what did you mean by that and it's like go watch the live
00:04:19.260 stream then you know what i mean so what he's going to do is he's going to take all of like
00:04:24.400 they basically have their minions go through all of his live streams to find things they can just
00:04:30.600 nail them on so this pierce isn't in the position where he's really trying to understand what the
00:04:35.720 person is saying he wants to say if if nick says an opinion that's moderate he's gonna say oh you
00:04:41.600 don't really mean that you said this we're looping you said this you haven't really directly i think
00:04:48.280 responded to it which is whether your father would not take you to certain restaurant chains
00:04:53.580 because he associated associated them with black americans is that true no well see here if you're
00:05:01.320 in america you would say that olive garden is not real italian food applebee's tgi fridays this stuff 0.94
00:05:07.540 is a load of crap my dad was just a food snob but no it's got nothing to do with that my best friend 0.92
00:05:12.140 in first grade was a black guy we are not we're not a racist fan yeah um so now and people do this 0.99
00:05:18.280 to me right they'll they'll use my mother against me my mother you know i can't really control what
00:05:25.160 my mom thinks or does but we don't have the same opinions on a lot of stuff i wish her well
00:05:29.300 whatever but we don't we don't have the same opinions very obviously based on it if you know
00:05:35.060 you know i don't want to get into it but but people will always say pearl your mom your mom 0.95
00:05:39.180 your mom like and they do that to be jerks to be honest nick's not you know again they're just 0.88
00:05:46.900 crawling through hours and hours of footage of him talking to use anything against him i am brown i 0.99
00:05:52.640 want to be nice to you so you like colored people okay i like black people obviously you know what
00:05:58.040 i mean like my boyfriend's dominican do you know like um not black dominican but i just there's a
00:06:05.860 lack of respect and decorum and nick's gonna talk about this that they just lack you know and i you
00:06:12.840 know i kind of have a fatigue meter that goes up and down like today i went to the gym and i was
00:06:17.680 vibing with this black girl we were having a cool convo my fatigue went down i'm like oh this is
00:06:23.920 better then someone does something rude and i'm like well fatigue goes up i have white woman 0.99
00:06:30.500 fatigue too i've talked about it um i'm on your side with the saint in the center he's a loser 0.98
00:06:34.280 he is a hunchback girl friend million bat millionaire bachelor exposed him it's to me 1.00
00:06:41.080 it's mostly the entitlement i don't i don't like people that are entitled you know i give two hours
00:06:47.200 of my time to a panel show that that's very low viewership okay like the level of fame and it's
00:06:53.160 because i like lapif actually i i think he's cool like i like him he's always been good to work with 0.95
00:06:58.280 and you know it's just i think it's kind of ghetto shit to be like oh she's running shit like that's 0.98
00:07:04.280 just ghetto shit to me and white people you know we're not gonna i don't entertain the fatigue 1.00
00:07:09.680 anymore if you do some ghetto shit i'm just gonna walk away bad comes in all colors um that's true 1.00
00:07:16.980 but white men are just the least of it i gotta be honest here white men are the most charitable 1.00
00:07:22.620 white men as a group we should be kissing their asses now if we're gonna go off of white people 1.00
00:07:29.080 white women ruin white people enough that I can't even say white people are awesome but white women 1.00
00:07:34.260 I mean we Karen but we we Karen to no extent like we Karen to the end of time but white men now the 0.99
00:07:42.780 flaws in white men are always that they're too nice and they let they let people walk all over 0.69
00:07:47.540 them and they allow white men and you're going to see this in pierce they're they're guilted 0.97
00:07:52.640 into submission they're controlled by guilt from black people and from women so you're going to 1.00
00:07:58.980 see pierce as a guilted white man this is what happens when they he responds to guilt from black 0.88
00:08:04.840 people and women am i so okay so when you told the story i'm just curious so when you told that
00:08:09.580 anecdote which clearly on the face of it is racist right you're you're basically saying
00:08:16.220 your father made racist decisions about where you would go as a family to eat are you saying
00:08:21.240 well i'm just going to ask you a question are you saying that when you told that story you didn't
00:08:26.720 mean to infer that he was racist and do you understand so what he's going to do is now he's
00:08:32.820 bringing up somebody that can't defend themselves like there's a big difference between being on a
00:08:38.060 show telling a story that's obviously for your audience it's like you know it's a different kind
00:08:43.640 content and then you using the story against them as an insult um for somebody that's not
00:08:50.760 even there trying to attack them why when somebody like me reads that anecdote for the first time as
00:08:56.960 i did this week i reach a different conclusion well i understand what you're doing which is
00:09:03.060 this sort of making of a murderer how did he become racist well his father because he said
00:09:08.640 that's not real italian food can i literally remind you so again he's smiling he's still being 0.99
00:09:16.580 friendly and pierce bad faith we're tired of this bad faith bullshit like if we have someone on the 0.99
00:09:23.900 show i want to hear what they have to say yeah so like white men like pierce are traitors i know i 0.99
00:09:31.360 they call me a race traitor right uh but because they're the enforcers nick is the epitome of free 0.92
00:09:42.000 speech men believe in free speech women believe in police speech and you're going to see pierce
00:09:47.600 is now the enforcement on behalf of black people and women of something you said on your show
00:09:54.960 which led me to conclude a certain thing i'm wrong tell me yeah it was said in jest as a
00:10:00.480 humorous anecdote and now you're trying to spin it into a narrative which is his parents are racist
00:10:05.360 he comes from a long line of racists uh and i think everybody knows our parents my parents
00:10:11.120 are boomers and these people come well you're a boomer i guess too and in a way right you were
00:10:16.240 born in 19 yeah so you're a boomer also or maybe you're a gen x-er i suppose it's sort of on the
00:10:21.280 cost uh but it's a humorous anecdote these are kind of the attitudes of baby boomers in society
00:10:26.960 but you're trying to spin it into a narrative which is you're a product of your environment
00:10:31.360 your dad's racist because of this joke now you're a racist and i don't think that's a fair 0.80
00:10:36.000 characterization okay people can make their own minds up they can they can go back and listen to
00:10:40.000 you say i mean the beauty of what i'm going to talk to you about in this interview is that almost
00:10:45.440 all of it is just going to be reminding you what you have said and that's look if i get to that
00:10:52.720 point in the interview i'll just leave there's no point because look i am not going to go through
00:11:01.360 hours and hours of footage trying to find where you messed up okay i just don't have the time
00:11:06.560 i'm going to have you on and we're going to talk about some of your beliefs and people can take it
00:11:10.160 or leave it um but when you're just going through clips trying to make someone look bad what's the
00:11:16.240 point of talking to them like pierce is trying to communicate i don't like him then we can never
00:11:22.880 talk again that's how i feel i'm like we could just never communicate interact again giving you
00:11:30.480 what you meant your position about that story is that it was a joke okay um i want to come to
00:11:36.800 to something else you said uh this is where you talk about jews women and blacks let's just take 0.73
00:11:43.980 a listen they're always coming up with no it's not the jews no it's not women no it's not blacks 0.99
00:11:51.940 it's actually really complicated no it fucking isn't at all jews are running society women need 1.00
00:11:59.640 to shut the fuck up blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part and we would live in paradise 1.00
00:12:06.220 it's that simple okay would you like to clarify what you meant there that's all true that's 100 0.99
00:12:16.480 true now look oh my god this is gonna annoy i'm very sorry about this cable issue doug can you
00:12:25.400 get on the phone with them and see if there's something we can do to fix this this is two days
00:12:30.520 in a row they got to figure something out um um but look at the jay stuff i don't really gotten
00:12:38.160 see if you can call them um i the way i look at it is they win you guys win there's nothing we can
00:12:45.600 do um but again now he's gonna say you're gonna see pierce he's gonna tone police he's not gonna
00:12:52.080 attack him with facts he's just gonna say you can't say it like that the thing i said in that
00:12:55.860 clip is true including that uh blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part uh yeah yes but all 1.00
00:13:03.780 of them no for the most part what does the most part mean what percentage of american blacks would 0.90
00:13:08.260 you like to see in prison uh whatever the percent probably a third because a third of black men have
00:13:13.200 been arrested for a felony probably a third it's probably more accurate and it is of the murderers
00:13:18.420 i think it's one in 20 black men will commit a murder in their lifetime so maybe let's say that 0.99
00:13:23.180 five percent oh so you're talking about wait one in 20 black men will commit a murder in their 0.99
00:13:28.920 lifetime holy crap i didn't know it was that bad like people who murder people yeah oh absolutely 0.99
00:13:36.780 yeah but you didn't say that you just said blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part you didn't 0.99
00:13:42.120 clarify you were talking about black murderers right right no you're right that's a good addition 1.00
00:13:48.280 to that that's a great point you think it's do you think it's funny or i think yeah i do i think 0.95
00:13:54.360 it's hilarious i think it's totally true do you think a black american would find it funny you
00:13:58.160 think that that blacks should be imprisoned for the most part blacks are my biggest fans i get 1.00
00:14:03.780 high fives all the time they say nick fuentes i love your show they agree with me and you want 0.98
00:14:09.080 to know why here's the difference black people are the most victimized by other black people 0.98
00:14:14.800 Black people are the most fatigued. I'm the same way. Some of my diehard fans are black people. 1.00
00:14:20.460 Pearl, I happen to be a daily viewer of Scott Adams. He has a lot to say about persuasion and
00:14:23.760 other topics. Do I pay attention to Scott? I love Scott Adams. One in 20, that can't be correct.
00:14:30.220 I would believe it. I would believe it. That's probably kind of lines up if you go to Chicago.
00:14:37.140 You think black people want to live in the hood and the ghetto and get shot all the time? That's 1.00
00:14:40.800 what happens in the south side of Chicago, you should come here.
00:14:43.540 I'll take you there.
00:14:44.240 We could go to Garfield Park.
00:14:45.300 We could go to Chicago University for a year, actually, several years ago.
00:14:49.300 Okay, that is not the same.
00:14:50.900 That is like a rich school.
00:14:52.940 I know where that's at.
00:14:54.240 University, Chicago University or University of Chicago?
00:14:57.420 It's probably University of Chicago, Chicago University.
00:15:00.640 Let's see what area that is.
00:15:03.500 Okay, if he's talking about UIC, I mean, these are rich schools that have security and stuff.
00:15:10.800 And I know what part of London Pierce is in.
00:15:14.140 I lived in the London, Pakistan area.
00:15:16.800 Because what happens is these immigrants come into these cities and men like Pierce. 1.00
00:15:21.920 Like I've been on Pierce Morgan.
00:15:24.060 He comes in like a private car every day.
00:15:27.120 He gets like driven to and from the studio and he lives.
00:15:30.740 The studio is in a white area.
00:15:32.500 Like it's in a very nice part of London.
00:15:35.000 Yeah, that's a bubble.
00:15:36.020 That's a bubble.
00:15:36.760 You think you're in Chicago and Hyde Park?
00:15:38.740 You don't know Chicago.
00:15:39.920 Go a little bit west. See what it's like over there. And I'll tell you, black people agree with me because they're tired of it, too.
00:15:45.820 And maybe not most of them, but a lot of them agree with what I say about that because they know how it is.
00:15:50.160 That's why the first thing they do when they make a little bit of money is they go and leave to another neighborhood.
00:15:54.500 OK, so what was this? Remind me again, the percentage of black men who commit murder in America. 0.98
00:16:01.020 What was the percentage you gave me? It's one in 20, one in 20. It's it's one in 100. 0.54
00:16:05.260 no it's 1 in 20 no no less than 1 in 100 black u.s men commit murder again he's not he's 0.99
00:16:13.500 automatically bad faith he's assuming he's like oh you're a liar there's no point in having a 0.99
00:16:19.940 conversation with someone like this if in your head i am a liar i don't i don't really need 0.98
00:16:26.940 to convince you otherwise you've made up your mind i'll just we'll just and i always go back
00:16:32.500 to this. We can just never talk again. We can just never. It's like when people crash out on
00:16:41.280 me, I'm like, well, we can just never talk again. Problem solved. It's the most up to date crime
00:16:46.920 statistics in America. That's not true. I've seen other statistics. They say one in 20 will
00:16:51.560 eventually commit a murder. Your rate means you're you're saying that five times as many
00:16:56.700 black men commit murder as the official crime statistics say yeah there's a report i believe 1.00
00:17:03.180 on x by data hazard i'll have to go and double check that for you but yes there's some pretty
00:17:07.500 shocking evidence that says that it's far and this is again why i don't love data because this just
00:17:12.780 becomes a data off your data versus my data your data is bad my data is bad etc when it's like okay
00:17:20.000 what do i see in front of me i see black people committing crimes all the time lack of decorum 1.00
00:17:25.540 higher crushing so you know like the problem with men like pierce is they want power so they want 0.96
00:17:33.620 the power to interpret your reality for you um where i say you know look in real life my show
00:17:39.940 when i talk about this stuff i'd say 85 is what i see in the real world i know early in my career
00:17:45.940 maybe a lot of it was data but now i really i really try to speak on experience because um
00:17:56.500 you really have to go with what you see uh what did i want to say about pakistani london um you
00:18:01.940 don't want to live in pakistani london i was at google white chapel it looks like pakistan you 0.99
00:18:07.860 don't want to live there and so pierce will say oh immigration is fine and it's like uh i've lived
00:18:15.140 in pakistani london no it's not i mean there's protests every weekend about like i i saw a woman
00:18:22.020 protesting. She was a immigrant protesting in front of the housing office in Whitechapel
00:18:29.060 about how she didn't get benefits. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. And this was,
00:18:34.280 I heard it every weekend, like about the war, about whatever. And I'm just thinking I'm in
00:18:39.040 England. Like, why can't I hear about British issues? More alarming than you would think.
00:18:43.740 Okay. But you would accept that the official crime statistics are one of the hundred,
00:18:47.780 or you wouldn't accept that statistic?
00:18:50.860 I don't know.
00:18:51.500 I don't have it in front of me,
00:18:52.580 but I've seen other evidence.
00:18:53.940 Like I said, data hazard on X,
00:18:55.540 I believe produced a report about a year ago.
00:18:57.480 It said one in 20.
00:18:58.940 But I mean, whether it's one in 20 or one in a hundred,
00:19:01.320 that's a lot of people, Piers.
00:19:02.760 I mean, this is a real problem. 0.99
00:19:03.660 Sure, a lot of white people commit murder too. 0.99
00:19:06.720 Well, they do, don't they? 0.99
00:19:07.580 Okay, but it's about proportionality.
00:19:09.780 I mean, white people are 65% of the population.
00:19:12.420 Blacks are 13%. 1.00
00:19:13.620 And I think anybody would tell you 0.83
00:19:15.800 that more black people proportionally 0.98
00:19:17.680 commit violent crime than white people and people vote with their feet people would rather pay a 0.96
00:19:22.280 much higher property tax most mass shootings interruptions yeah and so what they're gonna do 0.99
00:19:29.080 is he's gonna try to manipulate you and black people really you should hate men like pierce 0.97
00:19:33.880 you guys have all this energy black youtube for women like me and women like nick but really 0.99
00:19:38.460 we're being honest here men like pierce are the liars like he's a liar because what he's trying 0.92
00:19:44.700 to do is he's trying to act like black crime and white crime are the same and they're not the same 0.97
00:19:49.100 anyone that's lived in a black neighborhood in a white neighborhood knows that it is not the same 0.99
00:19:53.580 it's not you are not scared of getting shot in a white neighborhood we don't even lock doors 0.99
00:19:58.780 do you think anyone on the south side of chicago isn't locking their doors at night really
00:20:04.700 and so what he's gonna he wants to look good so he wants the virtue signal he wants to look good
00:20:09.900 to the audience so he's going to try to manipulate the data so it's um like essentially
00:20:18.540 there's more white people in america so obviously they're going to have committed a larger 0.55
00:20:22.780 percentage of the crime on top of that when it comes to the data i have sources that say 0.51
00:20:29.740 that a lot of white crime is being overrepresented because they log people that are not white as white
00:20:35.420 in order to manipulate the stats so we're not even sure how accurate it is but we all know if
00:20:40.300 you if you talk to 10 black people and you talk to 10 white people maybe one white person has
00:20:45.340 committed a crime where about a third of black men have been arrested by the age of 25 or have
00:20:52.140 a third of black men have a felony i think half have been arrested so again men like pierce they
00:20:57.900 want to be in control of the narrative they what they want to do is they they want to they want he
00:21:05.100 wants to play god in this scenario he wants to play god because he wants to dictate what data
00:21:11.740 is valuable whose experiences count and matter towards what's going on um so essentially he's
00:21:18.300 trying to play god where i tell you guys you know if you have a different experience i respect that
00:21:23.100 Let your experience, what you see in the real world,
00:21:26.680 that's gotta be your first line of observation,
00:21:29.740 more so than facts, data, and statistics,
00:21:32.100 because that's been manipulated by both sides.
00:21:34.940 I'm sorry.
00:21:36.260 Thank you, I appreciate that.
00:21:38.200 You know, you look at in Chicago, in New York,
00:21:41.060 these neighborhoods are so stratified,
00:21:43.500 people would rather pay a high tax rate,
00:21:45.260 they'd rather pay a much higher property value 0.75
00:21:47.200 to live in a less diverse, less black neighborhood, 0.70
00:21:50.040 because they don't wanna live around the violence.
00:21:52.140 And I think that when you look at even on the public transit, the subway, the blue line, you know, people don't want to go there because they know who occupies and menaces the public transit.
00:22:01.960 It is these people like Daniel Penny had to deal with.
00:22:05.200 It's people like Irina Zarutska had to deal with. 1.00
00:22:07.800 And and that's just the uncomfortable reality. 0.94
00:22:10.320 You've also said you don't want to live near black people. 0.89
00:22:14.500 Let's take a listen to this clip. 0.87
00:22:16.600 I'm a new generation of white person. 0.89
00:22:19.640 I'm not living around blacks. 1.00
00:22:21.360 Sorry. 1.00
00:22:22.140 I want white kids and I don't want my white kids bringing home black people to marry. 1.00
00:22:29.320 It's racial for me. And call me racist. Oh, very Christian to you. I don't give a fuck. 0.99
00:22:35.540 I mean, it couldn't be clearer, really, unless you want to say that's another of your jokes. 1.00
00:22:39.620 But you're basically saying, yeah, I'm a racist, aren't you?
00:22:43.820 Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine with that.
00:22:45.460 again the other thing is he wants to put labels on nick he wants to say you're racist you're sexist 0.59
00:22:54.320 that's why i don't you know i've had people say pearl you're traditional you're not sure you know 0.97
00:22:58.820 i'd rather just say i'm not or i'd rather just say yeah racist sexist homophobic like can we get the
00:23:04.160 labels out of the way and talk about the ideas that's what women do women want to label you 1.00
00:23:08.900 so people don't hear your ideas but when you label someone a certain way that puts you as the judge
00:23:15.160 in the jury you're not the judge in the jury you're not god is i'm not even that religious
00:23:19.620 and also that's god that's god's choice it's not mine nick could just pepper him with the
00:23:24.600 questions what do you mean by racist what source is the guy talking in your ear using where do you
00:23:29.620 live i know pierce lives in the nice part of london i lived in london he does not live in a
00:23:35.100 black area and you're a racist totally i think everybody's racist i think everybody if we're 0.79
00:23:41.020 being honest is racist i think everybody the only people that aren't racist or or pretend not to be 1.00
00:23:47.160 our white people to their detriment everybody else is racist you expect you earlier in the interview
00:23:51.880 you you went really got aggrieved at the idea that your father was a racist you you wanted to make
00:23:57.200 him yeah because my father's he's not because my father doesn't share my same views on that so he's
00:24:02.900 the exception to the everyone's a racist well everybody's a little bit racist you're right so
00:24:08.520 maybe everybody the difference is you're attacking my father you know i'm not attacking your father
00:24:13.780 you are no i'm not i don't know your father and to be clear i i have no knowledge about him at all
00:24:19.160 other well then let's leave him out of it let's leave him out of it if you don't know hang on
00:24:22.940 nick you put that story into the public domain on your show i'm simply reminding you of what you
00:24:30.320 told everybody millions of people about your father if you now want to retract it fine if
00:24:36.520 you want to say it was a joke which is what your position was earlier fine but I'm allowed to put
00:24:41.960 to you things you said publicly that's not unfair that's not me targeting your father you put that
00:24:47.860 story about him you know what you're doing you know I'm asking you about a pretty shocking
00:24:52.420 anecdote which to me looked like you were saying your father made decisions about where you as a
00:24:58.840 family would eat based on skin color of people who worked at these places if you say or use them
00:25:05.360 If you say that is not what you meant, that's fine.
00:25:09.300 You can respond any way you like. 0.99
00:25:10.800 But the idea I can't ask you about it without you saying I'm attacking your father is ridiculous. 1.00