Pearl - December 10, 2025SHOCKING： ＂Im Racist＂, says NJF On Piers Morgan
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Summary
In this episode, I sit down with comedian and podcaster Sassy Saint to discuss a variety of topics, including: Nick Fucetes Why he's a racist? What does he really think about the Black Lives Matter movement and much more!
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I mean, it couldn't be clearer, really, unless you want to say that's another of your jokes.
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But you're basically saying, yeah, I'm a racist, aren't you?
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Now, whenever somebody, sorry, Saint, he's a grifter.
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I don't really care, you know, but it's just, it just kind of goes like this.
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Black people go at white people in bad faith and they're shocked when we walk away and say, fuck you.
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And then you're like, oh, well, why are white people walking away?
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It's like, well, I thought it'd be interesting.
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And it's because he's yeah, you'll ever it's because Nick's going to go in good faith.
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Talked a lot about me on your show over the years.
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And this is the first time you actually extended the invitation.
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I think we we talked about doing it during A24 a few years ago, but you've talked a lot about me with the panel.
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And now you've extended the invitation to talk to me.
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And I think it'd be interesting for me to maybe clarify some positions and maybe get to know you a little better as well.
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So I'm looking forward to it. There is a belief that you have two personas.
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There's one that you roll out now for podcasts and for shows like mine where you come across as reasonable.
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And then there's your show on Rumble, where you often come across as having, you know, a very unreasonable view on things.
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He is consciously playing this double game as part of a long-term strategy to become popular.
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um i said sassy saint not sorry i don't like him well thank you for the super chat um feel free to
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pay me guys feel free to please pay me you know and i will read the super enough to take the reins
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of power at which point he plans to pivot towards the extreme and unpopular policies that he
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advocates daily on rumble so first of all what is your response to that well first of all i would
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say that coleman hughes is a propagandist he works for the free press which is run by barry weiss so
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i think that's you have to consider the source and barry weiss is a pro-israel partisan free
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press is just bought out by cbs for 150 million dollars uh by larry ellison or his son david
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ellison and so i think that's coming from a particular point of view we can't pretend like
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that's coming from a vacuum or from some fixed position that's coming from a propaganda outlet
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that's in favor of israel that's first but second i would say he is right about the two personas
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and i think that everybody understands this on some level on my show i make jokes and i use
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rhetoric and i'm hyperbolic uh because for a long time i had an audience that was small
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on these like dissident platforms i was on d live for many years a lot of people don't even
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know what that is and so i had a small following and we had sort of like an in-group sense of
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humor and memes and things like that and you talk about it one way on a freewheeling live stream
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when I'm by myself and I'm ranting and we make jokes and um we play devil's advocate we play
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with different positions but then when you sit down in an interview like this one and people
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ask me a good faith question what do you actually believe well then I clarify and I say well here
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I'm not joking here I'm not being hyperbolic I'm not being rhetorical I'll tell you precisely what
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i believe as far as this idea okay i'm gonna skip forward um to where so what when interviewers don't
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like you and as an audience it's best if you can figure out like how to what will happen is they
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will take the most uncharitable quotes that you've ever said and they'll go through your content
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looking for anything they can take out of context it's why i really don't like doing interviews
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anymore because imagine i go on a show and they say oh pearl you said that you're going to be a
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villain now what did you mean by that what did you mean by that and it's like go watch the live
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stream then you know what i mean so what he's going to do is he's going to take all of like
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they basically have their minions go through all of his live streams to find things they can just
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nail them on so this pierce isn't in the position where he's really trying to understand what the
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person is saying he wants to say if if nick says an opinion that's moderate he's gonna say oh you
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don't really mean that you said this we're looping you said this you haven't really directly i think
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responded to it which is whether your father would not take you to certain restaurant chains
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because he associated associated them with black americans is that true no well see here if you're
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in america you would say that olive garden is not real italian food applebee's tgi fridays this stuff
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is a load of crap my dad was just a food snob but no it's got nothing to do with that my best friend
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in first grade was a black guy we are not we're not a racist fan yeah um so now and people do this
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to me right they'll they'll use my mother against me my mother you know i can't really control what
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my mom thinks or does but we don't have the same opinions on a lot of stuff i wish her well
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whatever but we don't we don't have the same opinions very obviously based on it if you know
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you know i don't want to get into it but but people will always say pearl your mom your mom
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your mom like and they do that to be jerks to be honest nick's not you know again they're just
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crawling through hours and hours of footage of him talking to use anything against him i am brown i
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want to be nice to you so you like colored people okay i like black people obviously you know what
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i mean like my boyfriend's dominican do you know like um not black dominican but i just there's a
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lack of respect and decorum and nick's gonna talk about this that they just lack you know and i you
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know i kind of have a fatigue meter that goes up and down like today i went to the gym and i was
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vibing with this black girl we were having a cool convo my fatigue went down i'm like oh this is
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better then someone does something rude and i'm like well fatigue goes up i have white woman
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fatigue too i've talked about it um i'm on your side with the saint in the center he's a loser
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he is a hunchback girl friend million bat millionaire bachelor exposed him it's to me
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it's mostly the entitlement i don't i don't like people that are entitled you know i give two hours
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of my time to a panel show that that's very low viewership okay like the level of fame and it's
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because i like lapif actually i i think he's cool like i like him he's always been good to work with
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and you know it's just i think it's kind of ghetto shit to be like oh she's running shit like that's
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just ghetto shit to me and white people you know we're not gonna i don't entertain the fatigue
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anymore if you do some ghetto shit i'm just gonna walk away bad comes in all colors um that's true
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but white men are just the least of it i gotta be honest here white men are the most charitable
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white men as a group we should be kissing their asses now if we're gonna go off of white people
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white women ruin white people enough that I can't even say white people are awesome but white women
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I mean we Karen but we we Karen to no extent like we Karen to the end of time but white men now the
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flaws in white men are always that they're too nice and they let they let people walk all over
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them and they allow white men and you're going to see this in pierce they're they're guilted
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into submission they're controlled by guilt from black people and from women so you're going to
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see pierce as a guilted white man this is what happens when they he responds to guilt from black
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people and women am i so okay so when you told the story i'm just curious so when you told that
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anecdote which clearly on the face of it is racist right you're you're basically saying
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your father made racist decisions about where you would go as a family to eat are you saying
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well i'm just going to ask you a question are you saying that when you told that story you didn't
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mean to infer that he was racist and do you understand so what he's going to do is now he's
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bringing up somebody that can't defend themselves like there's a big difference between being on a
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show telling a story that's obviously for your audience it's like you know it's a different kind
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content and then you using the story against them as an insult um for somebody that's not
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even there trying to attack them why when somebody like me reads that anecdote for the first time as
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i did this week i reach a different conclusion well i understand what you're doing which is
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this sort of making of a murderer how did he become racist well his father because he said
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that's not real italian food can i literally remind you so again he's smiling he's still being
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friendly and pierce bad faith we're tired of this bad faith bullshit like if we have someone on the
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show i want to hear what they have to say yeah so like white men like pierce are traitors i know i
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they call me a race traitor right uh but because they're the enforcers nick is the epitome of free
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speech men believe in free speech women believe in police speech and you're going to see pierce
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is now the enforcement on behalf of black people and women of something you said on your show
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which led me to conclude a certain thing i'm wrong tell me yeah it was said in jest as a
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humorous anecdote and now you're trying to spin it into a narrative which is his parents are racist
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he comes from a long line of racists uh and i think everybody knows our parents my parents
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are boomers and these people come well you're a boomer i guess too and in a way right you were
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born in 19 yeah so you're a boomer also or maybe you're a gen x-er i suppose it's sort of on the
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cost uh but it's a humorous anecdote these are kind of the attitudes of baby boomers in society
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but you're trying to spin it into a narrative which is you're a product of your environment
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your dad's racist because of this joke now you're a racist and i don't think that's a fair
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characterization okay people can make their own minds up they can they can go back and listen to
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you say i mean the beauty of what i'm going to talk to you about in this interview is that almost
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all of it is just going to be reminding you what you have said and that's look if i get to that
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point in the interview i'll just leave there's no point because look i am not going to go through
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hours and hours of footage trying to find where you messed up okay i just don't have the time
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i'm going to have you on and we're going to talk about some of your beliefs and people can take it
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or leave it um but when you're just going through clips trying to make someone look bad what's the
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point of talking to them like pierce is trying to communicate i don't like him then we can never
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talk again that's how i feel i'm like we could just never communicate interact again giving you
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what you meant your position about that story is that it was a joke okay um i want to come to
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to something else you said uh this is where you talk about jews women and blacks let's just take
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a listen they're always coming up with no it's not the jews no it's not women no it's not blacks
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it's actually really complicated no it fucking isn't at all jews are running society women need
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to shut the fuck up blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part and we would live in paradise
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it's that simple okay would you like to clarify what you meant there that's all true that's 100
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true now look oh my god this is gonna annoy i'm very sorry about this cable issue doug can you
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get on the phone with them and see if there's something we can do to fix this this is two days
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in a row they got to figure something out um um but look at the jay stuff i don't really gotten
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see if you can call them um i the way i look at it is they win you guys win there's nothing we can
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do um but again now he's gonna say you're gonna see pierce he's gonna tone police he's not gonna
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attack him with facts he's just gonna say you can't say it like that the thing i said in that
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clip is true including that uh blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part uh yeah yes but all
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of them no for the most part what does the most part mean what percentage of american blacks would
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you like to see in prison uh whatever the percent probably a third because a third of black men have
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been arrested for a felony probably a third it's probably more accurate and it is of the murderers
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i think it's one in 20 black men will commit a murder in their lifetime so maybe let's say that
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five percent oh so you're talking about wait one in 20 black men will commit a murder in their
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lifetime holy crap i didn't know it was that bad like people who murder people yeah oh absolutely
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yeah but you didn't say that you just said blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part you didn't
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clarify you were talking about black murderers right right no you're right that's a good addition
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to that that's a great point you think it's do you think it's funny or i think yeah i do i think
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it's hilarious i think it's totally true do you think a black american would find it funny you
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think that that blacks should be imprisoned for the most part blacks are my biggest fans i get
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high fives all the time they say nick fuentes i love your show they agree with me and you want
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to know why here's the difference black people are the most victimized by other black people
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Black people are the most fatigued. I'm the same way. Some of my diehard fans are black people.
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Pearl, I happen to be a daily viewer of Scott Adams. He has a lot to say about persuasion and
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other topics. Do I pay attention to Scott? I love Scott Adams. One in 20, that can't be correct.
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I would believe it. I would believe it. That's probably kind of lines up if you go to Chicago.
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You think black people want to live in the hood and the ghetto and get shot all the time? That's
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what happens in the south side of Chicago, you should come here.
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We could go to Chicago University for a year, actually, several years ago.
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University, Chicago University or University of Chicago?
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It's probably University of Chicago, Chicago University.
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Okay, if he's talking about UIC, I mean, these are rich schools that have security and stuff.
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Because what happens is these immigrants come into these cities and men like Pierce.
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He gets like driven to and from the studio and he lives.
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Go a little bit west. See what it's like over there. And I'll tell you, black people agree with me because they're tired of it, too.
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And maybe not most of them, but a lot of them agree with what I say about that because they know how it is.
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That's why the first thing they do when they make a little bit of money is they go and leave to another neighborhood.
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OK, so what was this? Remind me again, the percentage of black men who commit murder in America.
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What was the percentage you gave me? It's one in 20, one in 20. It's it's one in 100.
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no it's 1 in 20 no no less than 1 in 100 black u.s men commit murder again he's not he's
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automatically bad faith he's assuming he's like oh you're a liar there's no point in having a
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conversation with someone like this if in your head i am a liar i don't i don't really need
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to convince you otherwise you've made up your mind i'll just we'll just and i always go back
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to this. We can just never talk again. We can just never. It's like when people crash out on
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me, I'm like, well, we can just never talk again. Problem solved. It's the most up to date crime
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statistics in America. That's not true. I've seen other statistics. They say one in 20 will
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eventually commit a murder. Your rate means you're you're saying that five times as many
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black men commit murder as the official crime statistics say yeah there's a report i believe
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on x by data hazard i'll have to go and double check that for you but yes there's some pretty
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shocking evidence that says that it's far and this is again why i don't love data because this just
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becomes a data off your data versus my data your data is bad my data is bad etc when it's like okay
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what do i see in front of me i see black people committing crimes all the time lack of decorum
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higher crushing so you know like the problem with men like pierce is they want power so they want
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the power to interpret your reality for you um where i say you know look in real life my show
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when i talk about this stuff i'd say 85 is what i see in the real world i know early in my career
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maybe a lot of it was data but now i really i really try to speak on experience because um
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you really have to go with what you see uh what did i want to say about pakistani london um you
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don't want to live in pakistani london i was at google white chapel it looks like pakistan you
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don't want to live there and so pierce will say oh immigration is fine and it's like uh i've lived
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in pakistani london no it's not i mean there's protests every weekend about like i i saw a woman
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protesting. She was a immigrant protesting in front of the housing office in Whitechapel
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about how she didn't get benefits. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. And this was,
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I heard it every weekend, like about the war, about whatever. And I'm just thinking I'm in
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England. Like, why can't I hear about British issues? More alarming than you would think.
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Okay. But you would accept that the official crime statistics are one of the hundred,
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But I mean, whether it's one in 20 or one in a hundred,
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I mean, white people are 65% of the population.
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commit violent crime than white people and people vote with their feet people would rather pay a
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much higher property tax most mass shootings interruptions yeah and so what they're gonna do
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is he's gonna try to manipulate you and black people really you should hate men like pierce
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you guys have all this energy black youtube for women like me and women like nick but really
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we're being honest here men like pierce are the liars like he's a liar because what he's trying
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to do is he's trying to act like black crime and white crime are the same and they're not the same
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anyone that's lived in a black neighborhood in a white neighborhood knows that it is not the same
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it's not you are not scared of getting shot in a white neighborhood we don't even lock doors
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do you think anyone on the south side of chicago isn't locking their doors at night really
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and so what he's gonna he wants to look good so he wants the virtue signal he wants to look good
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to the audience so he's going to try to manipulate the data so it's um like essentially
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there's more white people in america so obviously they're going to have committed a larger
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percentage of the crime on top of that when it comes to the data i have sources that say
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that a lot of white crime is being overrepresented because they log people that are not white as white
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in order to manipulate the stats so we're not even sure how accurate it is but we all know if
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you if you talk to 10 black people and you talk to 10 white people maybe one white person has
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committed a crime where about a third of black men have been arrested by the age of 25 or have
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a third of black men have a felony i think half have been arrested so again men like pierce they
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want to be in control of the narrative they what they want to do is they they want to they want he
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wants to play god in this scenario he wants to play god because he wants to dictate what data
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is valuable whose experiences count and matter towards what's going on um so essentially he's
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trying to play god where i tell you guys you know if you have a different experience i respect that
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Let your experience, what you see in the real world,
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that's gotta be your first line of observation,
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to live in a less diverse, less black neighborhood,
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because they don't wanna live around the violence.
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And I think that when you look at even on the public transit, the subway, the blue line, you know, people don't want to go there because they know who occupies and menaces the public transit.
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It is these people like Daniel Penny had to deal with.
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It's people like Irina Zarutska had to deal with.
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You've also said you don't want to live near black people.
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I want white kids and I don't want my white kids bringing home black people to marry.
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It's racial for me. And call me racist. Oh, very Christian to you. I don't give a fuck.
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I mean, it couldn't be clearer, really, unless you want to say that's another of your jokes.
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But you're basically saying, yeah, I'm a racist, aren't you?
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again the other thing is he wants to put labels on nick he wants to say you're racist you're sexist
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that's why i don't you know i've had people say pearl you're traditional you're not sure you know
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i'd rather just say i'm not or i'd rather just say yeah racist sexist homophobic like can we get the
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labels out of the way and talk about the ideas that's what women do women want to label you
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so people don't hear your ideas but when you label someone a certain way that puts you as the judge
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in the jury you're not the judge in the jury you're not god is i'm not even that religious
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and also that's god that's god's choice it's not mine nick could just pepper him with the
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questions what do you mean by racist what source is the guy talking in your ear using where do you
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live i know pierce lives in the nice part of london i lived in london he does not live in a
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black area and you're a racist totally i think everybody's racist i think everybody if we're
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being honest is racist i think everybody the only people that aren't racist or or pretend not to be
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our white people to their detriment everybody else is racist you expect you earlier in the interview
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you you went really got aggrieved at the idea that your father was a racist you you wanted to make
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him yeah because my father's he's not because my father doesn't share my same views on that so he's
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the exception to the everyone's a racist well everybody's a little bit racist you're right so
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maybe everybody the difference is you're attacking my father you know i'm not attacking your father
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you are no i'm not i don't know your father and to be clear i i have no knowledge about him at all
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other well then let's leave him out of it let's leave him out of it if you don't know hang on
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nick you put that story into the public domain on your show i'm simply reminding you of what you
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told everybody millions of people about your father if you now want to retract it fine if
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you want to say it was a joke which is what your position was earlier fine but I'm allowed to put
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to you things you said publicly that's not unfair that's not me targeting your father you put that
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story about him you know what you're doing you know I'm asking you about a pretty shocking
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anecdote which to me looked like you were saying your father made decisions about where you as a
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family would eat based on skin color of people who worked at these places if you say or use them
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If you say that is not what you meant, that's fine.
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But the idea I can't ask you about it without you saying I'm attacking your father is ridiculous.