Pearl - Should Christians Forgive Pure Evil？ (Call-In Show)

00:00:00.000 on the audacity network today um it's a little bit more somber of a topic so i just

00:00:07.680 i didn't really feel like um starting with the music today i just i didn't really have a song

00:00:13.760 for this one so please forgive me but thank you guys for tuning in um a couple updates on the

00:00:19.700 channel the first is we are in the works for this divorce documentary and it'd be actually

00:00:24.120 interesting if you as the viewers could have direct impact on what we edit and put in the

00:00:29.720 documentary um so what we're actually um looking at now when it comes to the divorce documentary

00:00:37.580 that the concept of it is what's in it for men and essentially what we're trying to figure out

00:00:44.720 is what if we want to do a descriptive documentary or have a call to action in it so if you're

00:00:50.680 interested if you have a take um put it in the comments you know let me know we were thinking

00:00:55.680 a call to action at the end but it could just be descriptive um and if you have any guests that you

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00:01:06.960 out to them if you have a divorce story yourself feel free uh pearly things with a z on twitter

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00:01:17.200 support us at theaudacitynetwork.com. Okay, so today we're talking about how we're kind of

00:01:27.520 going to be going over Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica Kirk's speech when it comes to the memorial of

00:01:36.060 Charlie Kirk. Now, I do want to start this show by saying this is not a conversation that's meant

00:01:41.500 be judgmental i do consider this to be a safe space on my channel so what meaning i don't judge

00:01:49.020 any opinion and my hope is that you are not judgmental of mine obviously this is the internet

00:01:54.140 i understand what what comes with this but i have no hatred in my heart towards any of these women

00:02:01.100 but i just know there's a section of america and really of of twitter kind of watching this

00:02:07.820 go on that kind of feels this way. Okay, so we're going to start with watching Erica's

00:02:19.680 speech. So we're going to listen to some of Erica Kirk's memorial speech for Charlie. So let's go.

00:02:29.080 But there was something else too, even in death, I could see the man that I love.

00:02:40.580 11 days ago, God accepted that total surrender from my husband and then called him to his

00:03:04.960 side.

00:03:07.920 More than anything, Charlie wanted to do, not his will, but God's will.

00:03:12.940 And over these past 11 days, through all the pain, never before have I found as much comfort.

00:03:23.900 Okay, so the individual, thank you for signing up for our memberships.

00:03:28.720 At some point, we might do members-only shows.

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00:03:33.540 As I now do, in the words of our Lord's Prayer, thy will be done.

00:03:53.040 God's love was revealed to me on the very day my husband was murdered.

00:03:58.440 On the afternoon of September 10th, I arrived at a Utah hospital to do the unthinkable,

00:04:07.960 to look directly at my husband's murdered body.

00:04:14.840 I saw the wound that ended his life.

00:04:19.560 I felt everything you would expect to feel.

00:04:22.520 I felt shock, I felt horror, and a level of heartache that I didn't even know existed.

00:04:40.140 But there was something else, too.

00:04:44.520 Even in death, I could see the man that I love.

00:04:51.960 I saw the one single gray hair on the side of his head,

00:04:58.680 which I never told him about.

00:05:01.260 Now he knows.

00:05:02.780 Sorry, baby, I'm telling you now,

00:05:04.160 but never told him, didn't want to.

00:05:10.260 I also saw this.

00:05:13.480 I also saw on his lips the faintest smile.

00:05:18.360 And that told me something important.

00:05:24.940 It revealed to me a great mercy from God in this tragedy.

00:05:31.620 When I saw that, it told me that Charlie didn't suffer.

00:05:38.220 Even the doctor told me.

00:05:41.180 It was something so instant that even if Charlie had been shot in the operating room, it's itself.

00:05:47.700 So, I just have a couple observations.

00:05:51.680 Now, these observations, I am not excited that I'm going to be the one to point these out.

00:05:56.960 I'm really not.

00:05:57.820 I kind of feel like a bad person.

00:05:59.020 Maybe I shouldn't be, right?

00:06:01.640 I mean, who am I?

00:06:03.480 But this is a conversation happening on the internet, and I think it's going through a lot of people's minds.

00:06:12.080 that it's almost like

00:06:15.300 they're turning this death into

00:06:17.680 it just doesn't

00:06:21.700 it's just

00:06:24.480 it doesn't seem

00:06:26.120 like the attention

00:06:31.120 is respectful

00:06:34.840 in a way when it's like

00:06:36.420 stadiums full

00:06:38.640 of

00:06:39.460 of people

00:06:41.820 and i'm gonna i'm gonna verbalize this a little bit better hold on nothing could have been done

00:06:48.920 yeah it almost someone put it in the chat it's like men whenever i'm blank and they just give

00:06:54.640 me the answer um you know yeah it almost seems like nobody cared about it and i know maybe

00:07:02.900 there's a side of youtube that's saying everyone's showing they care they're showing up they're

00:07:07.380 filling stadiums um but it just it's just kind of an odd way to go about it it's almost like it

00:07:15.220 didn't even happen um when everybody's nobody seems like and people grieve in different ways

00:07:24.320 so i don't know i don't know any of these people personally but just a lot of these speeches

00:07:29.420 they come off as performative like this doesn't look like a woman who lost her husband 10 days

00:07:35.200 ago i think would be the best way to put it um and i don't know maybe i'm the only crazy person

00:07:42.060 for getting that for having this opinion that's very possible it could and i don't have any

00:07:47.380 hatred in my heart towards her but um it's just when i was listening to this speech

00:07:54.980 it just didn't really seem like the focus of the speech was charlie and when i'm really looking at

00:08:02.640 this movement it almost seems like erica has been put in the front of the conservative movement now

00:08:10.240 it almost seems like she's kind of the new god of conservative like it's almost this almost seems

00:08:16.900 like an erica worship fest in a way the way people are reacting on twitter and i say this with no

00:08:24.260 malice in my heart right i really i really don't but i think when you acknowledge gender like the

00:08:31.200 differences in the genders and what each gender has proclivities to, you can see issues when

00:08:37.540 you're putting a woman in front. You know, as we've said on this channel, women really aren't

00:08:42.780 meant to lead movements. We're not really meant to be in charge of things. We don't do well with

00:08:47.400 it. In general, not all, not all. And so I just wonder if people are really looking out for

00:08:55.340 erica's best interest it almost seems like you know um is this really the best position to put

00:09:06.560 a grieving widow in who lost her husband 10 days ago um in like a super bowl stadium maybe it is

00:09:14.400 right maybe i'm just maybe i'm just full of it i don't know um but i think that's where a lot of

00:09:25.020 people's minds are going towards i think that's what a lot of people are thinking

00:09:33.540 and i'm going to be the one to say it because i you know i'm really just trying to have the

00:09:39.640 conversation here no thing yeah what did the what did the widows of jfk rfk and mlk do they

00:09:47.740 kind of faded into the background he's right and this has almost become like an erica worship fest

00:09:54.380 And it doesn't really surprise me, I guess, knowing her background.

00:10:00.760 She always came off to me as an attention-seeking woman.

00:10:05.580 Like, she always wanted to be in the spotlight.

00:10:07.560 Now, look, who am I to say that, right?

00:10:09.220 I have a show.

00:10:11.000 This isn't meant to be judgmental.

00:10:13.720 But if I'm observing, you know, this is a widow that's got two young kids at home.

00:10:18.620 are conservatives really looking at her and her family's best interests by saying here's a

00:10:26.360 300 bajillion dollar organization that you're the ceo of

00:10:32.000 is it really in her best interest that you know to have this like scripted

00:10:39.780 perform it just doesn't seem real to me um now again

00:10:45.020 you know maybe this is what he would have wanted i don't know

00:10:53.220 no agony one moment charlie was doing what he loved arguing and debating on campus

00:11:01.900 fighting for the gospel and truth in front of a big crowd and then he blinked

00:11:13.840 he blinked and saw his savior in paradise.

00:11:33.280 And all the heavenly mysteries were revealed to him.

00:11:36.360 God's love continued to be revealed to me in the days that followed.

00:11:48.360 The next day on the tarmac in Air Force Two, I confronted Usha Vance, precious woman.

00:12:01.840 I held her hand and I told her, honestly, I do not know how I'm going to get through this.

00:12:09.160 Pearl, do you think she's faking it?

00:12:11.300 Well, if I'm being honest, it really comes off that way.

00:12:17.980 I hate that I'm having that thought.

00:12:20.520 I almost feel guilty for having that thought because it seems like it's almost immoral to think that, you know, of a grieving widow.

00:12:29.540 but I just wonder what is the purpose what is the purpose of you know drawing all this attention

00:12:41.580 to a grieving widow it doesn't seem like his best friends were doing that

00:12:46.900 you know because it just seems like we'd want the attention on the husband

00:12:52.860 um i don't like that i'm thinking of it like this but if if i'm really being honest that's how it

00:13:02.800 comes across to me um and i really i want to and i had some notes here i want to reiterate what the

00:13:09.780 issue you get when you put women as the heads of a lot of these movements um the challenge the

00:13:16.320 challenge you get a lot um and you're gonna kind of gonna see this in this speech is that women we

00:13:22.200 have a tendency to misquote the bible um we have a tendency to just get things wrong um

00:13:29.900 and christian women have a tendency to get power and just turn it into a nagging session on men

00:13:38.540 and even in this speech which you would think would be like a inveterance to charlie that it

00:13:44.000 would just be you know it would only like i would think it would just be positive things about charlie

00:13:49.240 um it even turns into nagging men and i hate i hate i hate that i have to be the one i i don't

00:13:59.760 like that i'm saying this it feels in in portray maybe maybe i'm wrong for it but you know i mean

00:14:07.780 i just got to be honest where that's how it comes across

00:14:11.020 um it came across as victim here i would put her in charge left will have a hard time making fun

00:14:20.740 of the widow a strong independent woman mother even tyler robinson would think twice major plot

00:14:27.000 armor around her um i don't think it'll turn out well i don't you could say you know because this

00:14:36.120 is the political arena, okay? Are you really looking out for her best interests? Let's

00:14:45.060 say we want Erica to do, we want those kids to be raised well. Are we really looking out

00:14:51.300 in her best interest by putting her in charge of a giant organization so that we can't be

00:14:57.220 made fun of as hard yeah so let me just I'll continue she told me something

00:15:10.620 she said you know when you're on an airplane with your kids and it's the

00:15:18.060 last 15 minutes of the flight things are crazy kids are not cooperating toys are

00:15:24.340 flying everywhere, and everyone's screaming.

00:15:27.460 And you think to yourself, I cannot wait for this flight

00:15:30.640 to land, and it's 15 minutes before you land.

00:15:37.900 And she told me, you will get through these 15 minutes,

00:15:43.480 and the next 15 minutes after that.

00:15:47.760 Rucha, I don't think you realized it then,

00:15:51.340 but those words were exactly what I needed to hear.

00:15:54.220 Yeah, and you guys are putting it.

00:15:56.880 Somebody's going to be raising the kids, and it's going to be nannies.

00:15:59.700 And I was a nanny kid guy.

00:16:01.180 I think I had 20-something nannies growing up, if I had to guess.

00:16:05.880 I could not name them all.

00:16:07.880 I had so many.

00:16:08.820 I literally could not name them all.

00:16:10.260 And it's very difficult for children to have these rotating women

00:16:14.500 that just come in and out and in and out and in and out.

00:16:17.980 you know and I'd like to say I do think there are some jobs that women can do while being a mom I

00:16:29.640 am the first one to say that but leading a multi-million dollar organization you know a lot

00:16:35.600 of people are coming at me and they're saying Pearl you're just jealous you know I had a team

00:16:41.540 of 20 people at one point and that was the worst time of my life no that's dramatic sorry I should

00:16:47.960 sound more grateful but i did i'll just say this plainly i did not enjoy that it was not the right

00:16:53.860 i didn't mean for it to get that big

00:16:55.960 so you know i just i'm trying to facilitate i don't like that i'm i don't i don't like i think

00:17:07.380 there's a little fear in my voice treading on this i don't like that but you know i i'm trying

00:17:14.720 to be as respectful as I possibly can, but I foresee there will be problems. When you give

00:17:22.540 a woman power, even a grieving widow, we have a tendency to not be the best with it. And I don't

00:17:29.460 really think worshiping her is going to lead to good things. I would predict it's really,

00:17:36.280 and I'm going to wait and see, I could be wrong, but the ego, when women get excess praise,

00:17:43.400 the ego that builds can sometimes lead us to making very stupid decisions that are not in

00:17:51.620 our best interest i mean there's a reason there's a reason we like the bad boy nobody

00:17:58.740 ever tells us no ever except him but most of all god's mercy and god's love have been real

00:18:05.980 revealed to me these past 10 days after charlie's assassination we didn't see violence

00:18:13.300 we didn't see rioting

00:18:17.140 all right someone put charlie is alive we are not with these conspiracy theories here

00:18:27.340 you know what i'm sorry i need you to exit my chat if you really think he's still alive

00:18:33.780 you just you're not there needs to be like an iq over a certain threshold to be here

00:18:41.040 and you just need to go like we can't be um she is practically a soldier now you are right but

00:18:49.300 going into exile would let the left win i disagree with that there are competent smart

00:18:55.740 intelligent men that can take that role there are i mean you don't think charlie had a right hand man

00:19:02.740 at work now a lot of people are saying but pearl she's just the figurehead i think that's really

00:19:10.940 dangerous, actually, just in general. I mean, I've seen what that does when women are in charge

00:19:19.380 and then men do all the work, the ego that builds. I don't think you're really looking out for her

00:19:25.400 best interest by doing that. That means she is still going to have major decision-making power

00:19:32.040 in the company. And if she's at home raising the kids, you cannot make good decisions in a company

00:19:37.280 without knowing specifically what's going on.

00:19:40.520 And I'll tell you, I had this problem when I was in England.

00:19:44.820 And I could say, guys, this was like, I don't know how many people.

00:19:49.080 I'd have to look back.

00:19:50.140 But 20 people tops.

00:19:51.440 This was a small, this was not a big number of people.

00:19:56.280 But a challenge is if you don't kind of really understand every part of the business,

00:20:04.080 people just do nothing.

00:20:06.540 I mean, that's, like, the best way to put it.

00:20:08.000 People just, Doug MPA told me this today.

00:20:12.340 He said those who can't or don't have, I think it was, like, those who don't have to won't.

00:20:17.720 And I don't even really like women in figurehead positions.

00:20:25.220 I don't think that's the greatest idea.

00:20:30.180 I foresee that there is going to be issues with it.

00:20:36.160 Tucker, I don't know if Tucker would, because Tucker was always an employee.

00:20:39.880 It's a very different skill set, like talking on camera,

00:20:43.940 than running an organization.

00:20:47.500 Those are two, I would say Ben Shapiro would be the best one I could think of.

00:20:52.440 Or even that guy, the Jeremy Boring guy.

00:20:54.700 I mean, those are just the names I know.

00:20:57.080 I'm sure there's people in the industry that are better.

00:21:00.180 okay wait

00:21:04.540 we didn't see revolution instead we saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country

00:21:17.820 we saw revival i know we're gonna get to the question of the pure evil we're just

00:21:25.000 to get to that part of the speech this past week we saw people open a bible for the first time in

00:21:42.440 a decade we saw people pray for the first time since they were children we saw people go to a

00:21:50.280 church service for the first time in their entire lives charlie liked to journal and i say this

00:22:08.600 because he did it to remember important moments and sayings that affected him so i'm listening

00:22:15.640 to the speech so far and it just seems to be it seems to be more about the movement than about

00:22:22.280 charlie thus far and that's just what i noticed that's what i noticed in a lot of the speeches

00:22:27.560 um the attention seemed to be drawn to the movement not who he was as a person

00:22:32.340 and again maybe that's what he would have wanted it's very possible i mean i could see him wanting

00:22:38.020 that so i could be you know completely wrong in saying this but that that's where my head goes

00:22:44.460 And one of the things he wrote in his journal was this, every time you make a decision,

00:22:56.640 it puts a mark on your soul.

00:23:01.780 To those of you out there who just made that decision and took the first step toward a

00:23:09.980 spiritual life, I say thank you and welcome.

00:23:24.660 One day I hope you look back and realize it was the most important decision of your life,

00:23:30.900 because it is.

00:23:34.220 All of you who are already believers, it is your job to shepherd these people.

00:23:44.200 Do not take that lightly.

00:23:47.700 Water the seed of their faith.

00:23:51.940 Protect it and help it grow.

00:23:57.280 Every day as Charlie rode into the office, he would go through his contact list.

00:24:04.160 And I know there's many of you who were impacted by this.

00:24:08.000 He would go through his contact list and send Bible verses for the day.

00:24:13.720 He knew that faith was a habit.

00:24:17.040 The more you live it, the more it grows.

00:24:21.360 But know this too, the seed has only just been planted.

00:24:29.240 The enemy will tempt you the most in a time like this one.

00:24:35.780 God will always be there for you, but you must choose to mark your soul again and again

00:24:44.040 in the direction of Christ.

00:24:55.240 Pray again.

00:24:57.180 Read the Bible again.

00:24:59.260 Go to church next Sunday and the Sunday after that and break free from the temptations and

00:25:05.660 shackles of this world.

00:25:17.820 Being a follower of Christ is not easy, it's not supposed to be.

00:25:24.620 Jesus said if anyone would come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and

00:25:30.300 follow me.

00:25:34.160 He said he would be persecuted, he said we would be persecuted, and Charlie knew that

00:25:39.140 and happily carried his cross all the way to the end.

00:25:45.940 And I want all of you to know, while Charlie died far too early, he was also ready to die.

00:25:57.000 There was nothing, nothing he was putting off.

00:26:01.240 There was nothing that was too hard or too painful or nothing that he just felt like

00:26:06.740 he didn't want to do it.

00:26:09.920 He left this world without regrets.

00:26:14.700 He did 100% of what he could every day.

00:26:19.020 But I want you to know something.

00:26:23.380 died with incomplete work but and so it just seems like the attention is on

00:26:35.260 Christianity as a whole his the movement it just it it seems like I just haven't

00:26:47.440 heard a ton about who he was as a person and and that's really i think what is maybe off-putting

00:26:55.780 about a lot of what i've seen post his death you know i mean i saw people running ads um

00:27:03.060 you know i saw megan kelly they had a clip today and it was talking about charlie and then there

00:27:12.540 it's like they cut to an ad about gold.

00:27:15.860 And I'm thinking, are you crazy?

00:27:21.940 And I don't know, maybe I'm wrong for feeling like this,

00:27:27.340 but, you know, that's just how it comes off,

00:27:30.300 if I'm being honest.

00:27:31.900 Finished business.

00:27:36.220 Guys, you just are not going to convince me

00:27:38.500 that the assassin went through a tunnel.

00:27:40.820 This is not the day.

00:27:43.180 This is not the day, okay?

00:27:54.640 But I will miss him.

00:28:00.300 I will miss him so much because our marriage and our family were beautiful.

00:28:06.500 They still are.

00:28:08.340 But see, do you notice?

00:28:09.860 It's never he was awesome.

00:28:11.500 It's the marriage was awesome.

00:28:13.100 The family was awesome.

00:28:14.340 The mood, like.

00:28:26.480 The greatest cause in Charlie's life

00:28:28.640 was trying to revive the American family.

00:28:32.380 When he spoke to young people,

00:28:34.320 he was always eager to tell them

00:28:36.180 about God's vision for marriage

00:28:38.540 And how, if they could just dare to live it out, it would enrich every part of their life in the same way that it enriched ours.

00:28:50.580 And someone once asked me how Charlie and I, how we kept our marriage so strong when he was busy traveling.

00:29:03.520 And our little secret, it was love notes.

00:29:08.540 every saturday charlie wrote one for me and he never missed a saturday

00:29:17.580 so it's still he did this for me he did this for it's not

00:29:23.420 and i don't think it's conscious really i think it's unconscious but

00:29:28.660 like i'm sure someone maybe even wrote her this but

00:29:33.740 it just seems to be going a different direction

00:29:38.140 And in every single one of them, he'd tell me what his highlight was for the week, how

00:29:45.920 grateful he was for me and our babies.

00:29:50.780 And always at the end, he would always end it with asking the most beautiful question.

00:30:00.260 He'd always end it by asking, please let me know how I can better serve you as a husband.

00:30:06.580 Charlie perfectly understood God's role for a Christian husband.

00:30:17.040 Who's serving who in a traditional marriage?

00:30:23.120 And if you say you're serving each other, that's egalitarian.

00:30:26.440 One's got to serve the other more.

00:30:29.720 I'm just being honest here.

00:30:31.580 And this is the challenge when you get when you put women in that leadership position.

00:30:37.800 A lot of times we get things wrong, and the position you're putting her in is you're opening her up.

00:30:44.740 Because, you know, if I'm offering light pushback on this, imagine what the left is going to do with this.

00:30:51.600 Is this the best place for a grieving mother and a widow?

00:30:56.220 And I just wondered, is anyone really thinking about what her best interests are?

00:31:00.720 like her and her family's best, like seriously, is anybody, you know, because when you're in an

00:31:06.380 emotional state, nobody's really going to look out for you. You know, I mean, I mean, who, who

00:31:13.700 here in the chat has made a poor decision when you're in an extremely emotional state, when

00:31:19.240 you're just crashing out or whatever, you know, she's in an extremely emotional state and it just

00:31:26.060 seems like it just feels wrong that they're putting her in front of the or like they're

00:31:32.680 putting her as the head of the organization they're putting her out in front and I just keep

00:31:36.960 thinking is this the best you know it may it may even be what she wants to do but sometimes what

00:31:44.380 you want to do isn't what's best for you you know and it just I don't it just seems like everybody

00:31:51.060 just wants to milk this as long as possible so a man who leads so that they can serve

00:32:06.360 a man who leads so he can serve do you see okay

00:32:14.420 and now she transitioned and this is really if i had to paraphrase the the memorial about that

00:32:22.940 was supposed to be about charlie it's like the first part is about christianity okay

00:32:29.240 the next part is about the stuff he did for her the next part and i don't think women

00:32:35.760 consciously do this it's kind of a subconscious thing and now um the next part is going to be

00:32:42.640 her nagging husbands which is really out of your place as a woman as a woman you're not really

00:32:48.080 and you're not really meant to tell men what to do if if you're a more traditional woman right

00:32:56.800 you're not you're not supposed to nag men um and yeah that's what she goes into

00:33:12.640 to all the men watching around the world accept charlie's challenge and embrace true manhood

00:33:24.800 be strong and courageous for your families

00:33:31.360 love your wives and lead them love your children and protect them so notice all

00:33:40.480 of the standards she's going to require for men and then the lack of standards she requires for

00:33:48.080 women and by the way if this is how she thinks i'm just going to remind you this is what she's

00:33:53.760 in turning point was kind of like that anyway they had nala on right but i don't see it getting

00:33:59.440 better i see it getting much more feminist um be the spiritual head

00:34:07.920 of your home but please be a leader worth following so what what is that insinuation

00:34:18.760 please be a leader worth following it's insinuating that app that most men are not worth

00:34:24.500 following because why would she have to say that do you know what i mean it's like if

00:34:30.960 you know because it's like why would you have to say that if you thought highly of most men

00:34:42.120 do you know what i mean it's like i'm trying to think of a good analogy i'm kind of i'm kind of

00:34:47.820 slow today but it you know because if if most people would be okay let's say let's say if i

00:34:55.240 said guys please don't steal it would kind of be out of place if you're in a

00:35:01.540 society that nobody steal you know what I'm saying anyways I'll just I'll

00:35:04.600 continue

00:35:14.340 your wife is not your servant so now she's so she said

00:35:25.000 that the men need to serve the the women but the wives are not servants to the men it's like okay

00:35:34.800 your wife is not your employee

00:35:37.660 your wife is not your slave she is your helper you are not rivals

00:35:47.760 you are one flesh working together for the glory of god

00:35:53.260 I was Charlie's confidant.

00:36:10.480 I was his vault.

00:36:13.540 His closest and most trusted advisor, his best friend, I poured into him and loved him

00:36:21.160 so deeply empowered him because his love for me drove me to be a better wife every day he honored

00:36:31.540 me and I prayed that I could be the wife that God needed me to be for my husband women I have a

00:36:39.280 challenge for you to be virtuous this is what they do they say virtuous but they have no standards

00:36:48.880 for virtue you know like if I had to give a standard for virtue I mean I would start with

00:36:56.460 virginity right that would be number one but they never they will never say that because that would

00:37:00.860 be a standard and you know to be fair that's something I might say I can't I'm not going to

00:37:05.720 live up to that obviously I'm 28 you know but you know at least that's that's a standard but even

00:37:13.720 the virgins are bitches nowadays it's like i'll tell you what i interviewed five virgins or

00:37:19.120 declared virgins on my show um there was one i might have believed and if you guys saw the men

00:37:28.420 in her dms you would just give up i'm gonna be honest you would just you would just quit

00:37:32.600 i can't i can't say i wouldn't i would never do that because but yeah you you would just quit but

00:37:40.200 I'll just, the person had enough money with a B, I'll say that. Yeah, you just quit.

00:37:47.760 Our strength is found in God's design for our role. Yeah, you're right. I'm 18 going on 21.

00:37:53.740 I like that better. We are the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers.

00:38:03.260 guard your heart everything now again again what is this insinuating if the women need to guard

00:38:12.660 their heart who are they guarding it from the evil men like that's always the subconscious

00:38:17.640 that's always the subcon i mean these days men need to guard their heart from women everything

00:38:23.660 women project onto like everything women say about men women are so who needs to guard their

00:38:32.760 hearts here. And again, that it still blames female sin on the men. It never puts it on the

00:38:38.840 women. And you do flows from it. And if you're a mother, please recognize that is the single

00:38:47.840 most important ministry. Now, again, again, this is gaslighting.

00:38:53.400 it's really gaslighting to take the position of a ceo and then say this is the single most

00:39:04.740 important ministry now i know a lot of people are saying well maybe she'll just put men in charge

00:39:10.460 well then why would you have the position the title of the ceo you know what i'm saying like

00:39:15.360 why wouldn't you that doesn't make any sense um because she still will have to make the higher

00:39:23.940 like i think personally when i was i think that's the most difficult part for women is we want to

00:39:29.620 be friends with everybody we don't like hiring and firing and having really direct conversation

00:39:34.940 that's very difficult for us um so i mean that's going to put a lot of stress on the mother and so

00:39:43.000 you know a lot of women have this idea they say you know they can do it all but

00:39:48.480 something's going to suffer and if she goes down this path it's most likely going to be the kids

00:39:54.880 but the challenge is conservatives they're not looking out in her best interest and what they're

00:40:00.260 doing is they're essentially worshiping her now and she's going to get more praise doing this than

00:40:07.160 watching the kids so women you know it's like we have natural proclivities we really like praise

00:40:14.720 we really like being told a good job we really like it's like um so when we when we get a lot

00:40:22.420 of praise doing something and intent we like attention but the challenge is conservatives

00:40:27.100 never recognize the proclivities that women have to certain sins um now men have certain proclivities

00:40:35.240 too and but the problem is they recognize the male sin and not the other you don't you get no makeup

00:40:44.480 for war yeah and this isn't me trying to be mean I got no hatred in my heart but you know from my

00:40:51.800 from my my side like my point of view I don't think even the people around her are looking out

00:40:57.740 for Erica because you know part of loving a woman is the ability to tell her no that's not a good

00:41:03.960 idea now she might not listen you have very little authority or control in this society

00:41:08.220 but you know and that's i think that's a lot of grievances people have with a lot of right-leaning

00:41:15.780 men is they have such an inability and it's almost worse than left-leaning men to tell their wives

00:41:23.000 no that's not a good idea it's it's very rare that i find it in conservatism um and it's because

00:41:32.640 you know of this sort of it's almost like brainwashing from a lot of church organizations

00:41:38.720 because a lot of them are led by women and so you know you know conservatives will say do the right

00:41:45.600 thing do the right thing do the right thing and we're looking at them saying you can't even tell

00:41:49.180 your wife no like how are you going to say that you're a virtuous person if you don't have the

00:41:54.140 ability to tell her no or if you're afraid of the crash out or looking bad and really when I do

00:42:00.940 streams like this i know i'm i know i'm gonna be the one to look bad i mean i this is i don't

00:42:07.340 enjoy doing this but nobody's gonna say that this is not in her best interest

00:42:22.380 in our home because charlie traveled a lot we tried to travel with him where we could

00:42:34.200 but i made sure that when charlie returned from work so now this is going to be talking about

00:42:41.840 what she did good as a way you know i just again i'm listening to this we're 18 minutes in i've

00:42:50.620 heard very little about Charlie I'm just being I've just heard I'm being honest

00:42:57.520 with what I'm hearing and I know this is going through a lot of men's minds you

00:43:02.080 know I know I know there's men in the audience thinking this but men aren't

00:43:06.820 dumb enough to say it I am you know um so let me I'll continue it was his

00:43:15.060 sacred landing place away from the worries of the world

00:43:24.740 I didn't make him feel guilty so here again it's I am awesome for being away

00:43:32.100 too long or too much we're getting home too late I always told him home is here

00:43:38.340 for you. This is what I did right. And it'll be ready for you. And I made it into this place where

00:43:46.440 he wanted to be as soon as possible when he was on the road. There was no keeping score between us.

00:43:59.080 We were a team working together for the same mission.

00:44:03.900 I never wanted to be the one standing between Charlie

00:44:09.520 and the task that God prepared for him,

00:44:15.140 had set for him.

00:44:17.740 And I knew Charlie would always do his best

00:44:19.920 to help me with the same.

00:44:24.600 My marriage with Charlie was the best thing

00:44:26.540 that ever happened to me.

00:44:28.500 And I know it was the best thing

00:44:29.760 that ever happened to him as well.

00:44:30.820 He wanted everyone to experience that joy.

00:44:36.640 And that's what's so beautiful about God's design for marriage is that everyone can.

00:44:45.740 And I could talk endlessly about it in years to come, I will.

00:44:50.640 But Charlie's mission above all was aimed directly at those who aren't married.

00:44:57.640 he named his organization well he knew things were not right with america and especially with

00:45:05.960 young people and they needed a new direction now again now it's going to get married i just

00:45:13.320 is this about charlie or is this a turning point or you know maybe that's what he would have wanted

00:45:20.900 i don't know charlie passionately wanted to reach and save the lost boys of the west

00:45:30.820 the young yeah i i was the best thing to ever happen to charlie kirk please donate that's

00:45:38.260 that's that's what it sounds like but i think women we never get feedback from men on how we

00:45:43.940 talk ever so we don't we have no idea how bad this sounds feel like they have

00:45:52.520 no direction no purpose no faith and no reason to live the men wasting their

00:46:00.800 lives on distractions and the men consumed with resentment anger and hate

00:46:07.180 Charlie wanted to help them.

00:46:12.060 He wanted them to have a home with Turning Point USA.

00:46:16.480 And when he went onto campus, he was looking to show them a better path and a better life

00:46:24.480 that was right there for the taking.

00:46:27.220 He wanted to show them that.

00:46:34.460 My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life.

00:47:04.460 That young man, that young man, on the cross, our Savior said,

00:47:17.340 Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do.

00:47:24.600 That man, that young man, I forgive him.

00:47:34.460 Thank you.

00:48:04.460 yeah and so this was really my question and I've been mulling this over all day

00:48:11.060 you know this man has shown no repentance now no remorse I have not

00:48:20.540 seen anything where he says he's sorry for what he did I haven't even seen him

00:48:24.060 admit to what he did now I'd like to say to be honest I'll forgive most things

00:48:30.700 with a genuine apology, if I'm being truly honest here.

00:48:36.640 But there has to, I would think there has to be some repentance,

00:48:42.260 some remorse, maybe a penance.

00:48:44.640 You know, I'm sorry would be a good start.

00:48:48.660 I did that would be a second start.

00:48:52.360 And some sort of penance.

00:48:56.660 But I really want to hear from the people.

00:48:59.220 you know what what did you think of this speech maybe i'm off base if you think i'm and you're

00:49:06.440 i am you're welcome to call in and tell me but more importantly should christians forgive pure

00:49:13.560 evil because from where i stand it seems like people just know that they can do whatever they

00:49:22.040 want to christians and nothing's gonna happen because christians just will not fight back

00:49:29.960 and i could be wrong in that thought so you know why don't you guys call in we're gonna

00:49:37.540 put the zoom link in the chat and let me know what you think is doug mpa on the line

00:49:45.980 hi i'm here how's it going hey doug mpa so what are your thoughts um on the forgiveness part

00:49:59.440 what did you think about her forgiving the killer first off i smell feminism coming

00:50:04.680 yeah it's coming um you hear so she's like your wife is not your slave and blah blah blah

00:50:10.640 she's she pretty much said that your wife is your equal partner and all this and then she's going to

00:50:17.680 reinforce the narrative by claiming credit for everything charlie did he did this and this and

00:50:22.180 this but because i did this and this and this she's freaking already doing it right now she's

00:50:27.380 already doing it and she she's going to take all of charlie's hard hard work and twist it to her

00:50:33.180 narrative and and everyone's going to let her do it because she's charlie kirk's grieving widow

00:50:37.680 Oh, watch. Feminism's coming.

00:50:39.880 Yeah, and that's the thing.

00:50:40.900 Men are afraid to say no to women.

00:50:44.140 Like, you know, oh, you did email it to me.

00:50:46.500 Okay.

00:50:47.800 Even in this position, it's a sad situation,

00:50:50.320 but that doesn't mean do whatever you want.

00:50:55.060 You know what I mean?

00:50:55.560 Like, it doesn't mean you can do anything now,

00:50:59.220 as sad as the situation is.

00:51:02.020 And I just don't, I think people want to milk this so bad.

00:51:05.400 They don't want to look like bad people either.

00:51:07.680 and and if you're if you're thinking about if you're thinking about that then you're not really

00:51:14.300 being an honest person you know what i you're yep i agree yeah and you're not looking out for her

00:51:20.300 you're looking out for yourself go ahead just the fact that she's if she becomes

00:51:27.960 ceo of turning point like everything that charlie wanted because she's supposed to be a conservative

00:51:35.380 and charlie preached he didn't preach her accepting a position of a major multi you know

00:51:44.760 multi-million dollar company she's supposed to be staying home and taking care of the kids

00:51:49.080 yeah and to be fair though i do i could have seen charlie signing off on something like this because

00:51:54.940 he was we know how he spoke before he died i don't want to speak ill of the dead but

00:52:00.180 you know the way he talked

00:52:02.640 I actually want to react to one more thing

00:52:05.240 before we take callers

00:52:07.440 because I just couldn't believe

00:52:08.940 how grifty this was

00:52:10.440 just real fast, so about the forgiveness

00:52:13.180 thing, that's one of the reasons why I'm not

00:52:14.860 religious, I'm a black belt

00:52:17.180 and holding grudges man

00:52:18.820 I'm not even joking

00:52:20.780 I hold grudges, yes I do

00:52:22.880 I'm petty and I hold grudges

00:52:24.900 that's one of the best parts of not being religious

00:52:27.080 and it's only because

00:52:28.800 people will do things so egregious see the this forgiveness thing they don't take into account

00:52:35.620 like someone putting up you know a hole in your husband's neck you know or someone touching a

00:52:41.360 child or something like that there's certain things that should not be forgiven sorry you

00:52:45.600 know why i got less religious um because i was more religious when i was younger but it was

00:52:50.460 because i realized all the best people i knew weren't religious like the most moral acting

00:52:55.300 like people i knew and then i would look at like the religious people i knew and it was like 9.5

00:53:01.520 out of 10 of them were afraid of their wives like how can you say you're afraid of god if you're

00:53:05.020 afraid of your wife oh man that's a good no like seriously like how and i'm so i'm i i'm just

00:53:11.520 sitting there and i'm thinking like even in these would be like very theologically sound people

00:53:17.460 and i would just and they would they would have all the right arguments and all the debates but

00:53:22.260 i can tell i can tell they're afraid of their wife and so i'm like but how can you fear god

00:53:28.500 if you fear a woman like that doesn't make any sense to me yeah and that's and that's what i

00:53:33.700 see embodied like over and over again it's just an extreme fear of women yep because it's supposed

00:53:41.500 to be god you know a woman is supposed to respect the the god and the man but if a woman's running

00:53:48.380 things it's kind of the other way around you know a man is respecting the god and the woman

00:53:52.380 but it always yeah it always just ends the same way they always just end up worshiping

00:53:56.700 the woman like it always and i've just seen it so many times it just never god i've seen it over

00:54:04.040 and over again in catholics god over and i just i hate it when they try to gaslight me and they

00:54:09.640 say oh it's like not the orthodox it's not the catholic and i'm like bro i went to 20 years of

00:54:15.320 catholic school like oh my god there's so many super simps it's crazy but like and so but that

00:54:24.920 that was what did it for me and but i think at a base level conservatives don't realize what they're

00:54:30.040 doing by putting women in charge of this stuff because what happens is the most competent logical

00:54:35.820 people leave and the men that are the most emotional stay because who's gonna let's take

00:54:42.680 protestantism right who's going to stick around when there's like a concerts and juice at church

00:54:48.440 it's going to be the prod it's going to be the emotional guys or the the men that go because of

00:54:54.200 their wife where the other way around where it's it's and that's what i just kept finding was

00:55:02.400 the men i knew that i would say lived in a most like if i if i didn't hear a word that came out

00:55:08.720 of your mouth and i just saw how you acted the most moral guys i knew just weren't religious

00:55:14.660 um so you know what i think it is i think it's group behavior whenever there's big groups like

00:55:21.560 this just always happens because women always find a way women have power in groups so they

00:55:27.940 get all they get everybody together and they just all get together and they start manipulating and

00:55:33.140 then it's over. That's why if I, a church I would like is a church women are banned from,

00:55:38.520 where it's just the men, and then the men can go home and teach their wives at home.

00:55:43.900 And then you believe whatever I say, honey. That would be my church. Go ahead.

00:55:49.480 And that's one of the things, because remember, men and women fraternizing together is a new thing.

00:55:55.400 It's only been that way since like the 70s. You know what I'm saying? So it used to be the guys

00:56:00.660 would hang out and have their lodges and all that stuff like that but the women would get together

00:56:04.680 and plot on how to collectively influence their husbands to get what they wanted understand i'm

00:56:10.260 saying yeah and so it's like so it's just seems like i'm watching a woman use her husband's death

00:56:17.260 to gain power oh my gosh that's what i couldn't verbalize earlier what made it feel so weird to

00:56:25.180 me but that's what it just appears it seems like everybody's using his death to gain as much power

00:56:32.400 as they possibly can that's what it appears like um i'm gonna i'm gonna watch this got caller sorry

00:56:41.900 i put the thing in the chat prematurely i forgot i had this clip some people and so any but here's

00:56:48.580 the thing anybody that has this thought they make you seem like you're a bad person for even thinking

00:56:54.720 this um you know and i'm not hating on her but it's almost as if if you notice this is going on

00:57:03.780 the the women especially and the feminine men they have a tendency to uh just shame you and

00:57:11.280 say you're a bad person for noticing we're critical of the fact that she and others walked

00:57:15.780 out and they had the pyrotechnics going and i completely reject that because you have to

00:57:20.800 understand turning point events this is an homage to charlie uh that's he loved that stuff and we

00:57:26.380 all love that stuff when we go to a turning point event you walk out and they've got the pyrotechnics

00:57:30.800 and they've got the smoke going the dry ice smoke and it's just so fun so it makes the event feel

00:57:36.380 yeah so again this argument hey charlie loved this stuff that's a fair point that's a fair point

00:57:43.240 big and celebratory and that's what they wanted to do to make this event feel big and celebratory

00:57:48.260 not a maudlin sad tears crying you know good god this terrible assassin type event they wanted it

00:57:57.180 to be a celebration of life you know which is not unusual it's just they did it charlie kirk style

00:58:03.500 and turning point style so to me it made perfect sense that they did use uh the pyrotechnics and

00:58:08.560 doug mpi if you have any thoughts as i'm listening to this feel free to jump in

00:58:12.060 okay no sane person was thinking that meant erica was celebrating charlie's death i mean

00:58:20.600 it's like only the most no they're saying you're insane for thinking anything else

00:58:25.920 i don't think it's insane at all and at the end of this clip i'm going to show you why i don't

00:58:32.220 think it's insane most cynical bastards would even suggest that but of course you know we're

00:58:38.080 dealing with these leftists so you know now it's the shaming language even if you even think that

00:58:42.880 you're a cynical bastard but she comes out and she talks about charlie's message and charlie like

00:58:51.680 what what he wanted to do and i think does i'm trying to find out for my team is is sought to

00:58:56.800 it came chronologically before sought one right because i want to play these in sequential order

00:59:01.740 I think it did. Let's place that two. Charlie passionately wanted to reach and save the lost

00:59:08.840 boys of the West. The young men who feel like they have no direction, no purpose, no faith,

00:59:17.100 and no reason to live. The men wasting their lives on distractions and the men consumed with

00:59:24.540 resentment, anger, and hate.

00:59:29.260 Charlie wanted to help them.

00:59:33.000 He wanted them to have a home with Turning Point USA.

00:59:37.420 And when he went onto campus, he was looking to show them a better path and a better life

00:59:45.400 that was right there for the taking.

00:59:48.160 wanted to show them that my husband Charlie he wanted and it's exactly right Michael I mean he

01:00:03.120 Charlie was there on these campuses in large part to save people like Tyler Robinson his killer

01:00:12.300 people who had gotten brainwashed into magical far-left thinking about issues

01:00:19.840 like gender and so on and to tell them that there could be a Jesus envisioned

01:00:27.140 something better for them that their lives could be better that they did not

01:00:31.320 have to go in this downward spiral into which whatever online obsession throws

01:00:36.860 you or a society that doesn't value young white boys can throw you or a

01:00:42.000 university setting for too many semesters in a row can throw you i you know i don't know what

01:00:47.040 happened to tyler robinson because they're saying forgiveness let's talk about that yes you know

01:00:51.680 one thing that charlie excelled at he excelled at many many things but one thing he excelled at was

01:00:56.780 throwing issues into stark relief charlie's opponents would always try to muddy up the

01:01:01.980 waters you're seeing this now after a spate of left-wing violence that's going on for many years

01:01:06.780 now many many years but certainly we can recall the blm riots which were encouraged by the left

01:01:11.540 wing authorities and which killed dozens of people and burned a lot of the country down

01:01:15.140 all the way up through the murder of Christian children at the Covenant School here in Minneapolis

01:01:21.200 all the way up to the assassination of Charlie Kirk from left-wing militants and I'm leaving

01:01:25.860 out a lot of other people too you know they try to say well there's it's both sides and it's unclear

01:01:31.700 Charlie spoke about reason and Charlie's and then Erica Kirk did the thing that stunned

01:01:39.160 the world i mean if you were a christian you weren't totally stunned because this is what

01:01:45.160 we are taught to do it's just incredible side do i want to be on which which uh and him leaving

01:01:54.380 her the love notes she said which was their secret weapon between we're all somewhat surprised by the

01:02:00.720 the weakness and forgiveness yesterday you know that these things are not opposed and in fact

01:02:06.160 one without the other uh will will lead to the detriment of both you know the um yeah it's a

01:02:13.200 woman i grew up as a muslim in a muslim country i'm i don't know skipping to the end to show you

01:02:17.520 what i'm talking about enough about christian this whole thing they go back and forth right

01:02:21.140 they talk about the forgiveness they talk about all this stuff entity to say if i they talk about

01:02:26.340 charlie dying if what i witnessed is rooted in faith or culture but what struck me the most

01:02:32.180 was how even though death is heavy, and this was by nature a sad occasion,

01:02:36.580 the entire event carried a celebratory spirit that honored life.

01:02:40.340 That contrast hit me deeply.

01:02:42.700 In Islam, even though we believe that good people go to heaven,

01:02:45.720 the relationship with God is taught through fear.

01:02:48.820 I cannot imagine envy as the right one to think of anybody in the world

01:02:53.000 looking at Erica Kirk on the day she said her final goodbye to her husband

01:02:57.560 and feeling envy but having been there we get it right the people who watched it on tv get it

01:03:05.240 when inflation jumps when you hear the national debt is over 37 trillion bucks do you ever think

01:03:10.340 maybe now would be a good time to buy some gold well it would be they put a gold ad in this do you

01:03:17.400 see like we're all just milking every penny off of this huh you put a gold ad

01:03:26.880 in a video.

01:03:30.960 Okay.

01:03:32.040 I quit.

01:03:40.860 Okay.

01:03:41.740 But we'll go back to the original question.

01:03:44.400 So my question is,

01:03:45.800 should Christians forgive pure evil?

01:03:50.320 I'm going to start by bringing up Sean.

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01:04:20.040 welcome to the show should christians forgive pure evil yeah so i guess the way i would answer that

01:04:29.560 is not in the sort of new age christian forgiveness which is more you forgive them

01:04:37.880 like regardless of what they did and it's the whole forgive and forget mentality right so you

01:04:42.520 see a lot of christians whether it's you know nala who thinks you know she can dunk her head

01:04:46.760 head in water in some way she's cleansed of all her sins and all she has to do is say a few bible

01:04:51.100 verses and she's good and by definition everyone should just forgive her for all her past sins

01:04:56.540 i think that sort of lack of human accountability lack of reconciliation and repentance i i think

01:05:02.880 that should not be the case of i think christians in the sort of you know old testament new testament

01:05:10.500 whatever you want to call it, should have the sense of forgiveness, but more like it doesn't

01:05:17.780 wash away the sin. They still need to repent. They still need to be sort of punished for their sin.

01:05:23.680 So there shouldn't be an enabling of this sort of bad behavior. And the reason why I say they

01:05:28.500 should forgive, I think true forgiveness is more to let yourself detach from any sort of animosity

01:05:36.360 that you have because it's just going to eat away at you or any sort of jealousy or what have you.

01:05:41.080 I think being able to forgive is not necessarily accepting what the person did as right. I think

01:05:47.820 it's more about releasing the own anger and hatred you have in your heart towards somebody,

01:05:53.760 which would, you know, if you ask most people, it tends to sort of consume a lot of headspace

01:05:57.860 in their mind as well as it tends to. Is there, yeah, so you're saying like,

01:06:02.240 let go of the anger go ahead exactly like do it for yourself because it's going to let go of the

01:06:07.940 anger and the hatred and animosity and that's going to be better for yourself in terms of your

01:06:12.680 own life so it gets rid of your own emotional burden uh but not necessarily believe that it

01:06:17.820 washed away their sins they still need to repent and they still need to be severely punished for

01:06:22.280 their actions okay and i i think that mentality is why you know uh you know it no longer really

01:06:28.980 exist in christian culture and and that's why christianity has become a total and utter joke

01:06:32.980 uh and there's a reason why sort of the uh you know islam tends to be more respected in their

01:06:40.400 social circles because they believe people are going straight to hell they're gonna burn uh you

01:06:44.940 know the chinese communist party even though they're not you know religious in mainland china

01:06:49.660 they believe in a a strict punishment system if you know you do drugs you die you kill someone

01:06:55.360 you die. Everyone fears the government as almost like a god in the sense that they know not to act

01:07:03.520 right. Or sorry, they know to act right, otherwise they'll be severely punished. And there's a lot

01:07:08.040 of respect that comes with that sense of fear. And so that's sort of my take on it is that,

01:07:13.800 you know, I think people need to really fear consequences in order to act right and be more

01:07:20.340 respectful so to speak um what did you think of the speech did you think um did you hear the

01:07:28.420 thoughts I had on it did you get the same vibe or did you think something else I mean I got the

01:07:33.860 same vibe I mean you have to look at it you know and you know I feel bad for Erica Kirk right

01:07:38.340 obviously her her husband died and she's likely going through a lot of grieving but but let's be

01:07:42.320 honest if Charlie Kirk wasn't famous does anyone really think she would have married him because

01:07:46.600 he's such a good guy well no right you look at her instagram account she has like now six million

01:07:51.920 followers and so you just have to see the reality of how people behave in their worst moments

01:07:57.520 and you will see erica kirk will still want to be in the spotlight she will still want to be

01:08:02.200 attending a lot of events and she'll do the whole cheryl sandberg playbook which is when her husband

01:08:06.720 dies tragically she'll write a book i guarantee you in the next year or two she's going to publish

01:08:11.620 a book and within the next five years she's going to be married to another rich successful guy

01:08:15.920 100 on the money i can tell you that right now you know it's a weird do you know it's a weird

01:08:20.660 thought someone messaged me that her next boyfriend is probably there i mean it could be you know

01:08:26.320 like she'll probably she'll probably meet him there um jokers is saying money money is evil

01:08:32.200 especially when given to women sorry for the opinion from england well i mean that's ironic

01:08:38.720 we're just giving me five dollars but okay um sorry sean keep going no i was gonna say you know

01:08:44.440 there's a lot of successful, you know, rich guys in conservative social circles, right? It's how

01:08:48.860 Candace Owens met her current husband. And it's likely how, you know, Erica will meet her next

01:08:54.440 husband, if we're being honest. And so, you know, I think this, I don't want to say she wanted her

01:09:02.020 husband to die. I think that's a bit ridiculous. Sorry, go ahead. Wait, wait. Don't go. Sorry.

01:09:09.040 Sorry, I was just saying, she's looking at something.

01:09:11.600 Not you, but yeah, that makes sense.

01:09:18.640 Sorry, I'm going to go on to the next caller, if that's OK.

01:09:21.120 Go ahead, no worries.

01:09:21.920 OK, thanks for calling in.

01:09:22.840 Thanks, guys.

01:09:27.760 OK.

01:09:30.320 All right, next I want Jackson.

01:09:39.040 hey Jackson how's it going what are your thoughts on the topic should we forgive

01:09:55.580 pure evil as Christians no okay do you want to expand upon that yeah it's pretty simple if

01:10:07.540 you're if you didn't grow up in modern day nice church i guess is what i the polite way to say it

01:10:15.280 where everybody's just more concerned about being nice than being righteous um it's a it's really

01:10:21.240 simple answer no um not only are we not expected to forgive pure evil we're not called to there's

01:10:31.120 multiple verses in the Bible that call for, I'm not going to say war, but call for enforcing

01:10:42.520 justice and punishing wrongdoers. And such thing as righteous judgment, that's where

01:10:51.100 people get the whole do not judge verse wrong. Like, that's not what it says.

01:10:56.620 okay what do you what do you think people get wrong about it do you want to go into a little

01:11:02.740 more detail they don't they literally take like three like a one sentence out of that and then

01:11:09.040 they don't expand upon it you know they say don't judge lest you be judged they don't expand on the

01:11:14.500 whole verse which is saying hey don't you know don't judge hypocritically like make sure

01:11:19.600 it be prepared you can you're supposed you're supposed to judge as a christian i i i'm about

01:11:26.580 to say that is like majority of your job but like you know you have to be making sure you're not

01:11:32.120 doing the same thing or understand that you're also going to be judged which most people under

01:11:38.440 in in at least from my discussion have have said yeah we we understand and there's there's calls

01:11:45.460 even there's there's reasons to justify like you know taking out evil you know you know going to

01:11:53.440 war going to uh violence and it's like the three reasons in christianity is for uh defense uh

01:12:00.320 enforcing justice and punishing wrongdoers and i think in this in the kirk situation you know

01:12:05.920 where a lot of people were calling for civil war i remember that was the thing um that you could

01:12:10.200 argue all three were uh in this situation but yeah we we're you're called to give forgiveness

01:12:18.520 but forgiveness also required repentance and people keep forgetting that part and repentance

01:12:24.340 requires work i'm i'm i'm back so i wanted to i'm right there with jc i don't think that i don't

01:12:34.180 why do people automatically associate holding on to like not forgiving someone with with it being

01:12:44.760 bad it's just like we need to stop thinking that if a man gets angry that he's he's gonna get

01:12:50.340 violent i understand i'm saying that we have this thing if you don't forgive somebody it's gonna no

01:12:55.120 it's like some of the best motivators was you getting bullied and you harboring that rage

01:13:02.880 towards your bully to do better in life um so doug oh funny funny you mentioned that i had a

01:13:11.160 quote for you from the bible about anger because there's such thing as righteous anger yeah exactly

01:13:16.320 ephesians 4 26 through 27 says be angry and do not sin so basically you are allowed to be angry

01:13:25.300 as a christian but you just cannot sin because of your anger um manco smash i think you had

01:13:30.960 something similar so i brought you up too um he's on twitter guys if you want to follow him but um

01:13:36.400 what what did you have to say on the topic i think you were the one who originally

01:13:41.740 dm'd me about this wait am i unmuted now yeah you're unmuted welcome to the show

01:13:48.640 all right yeah um so the whole thing was about erica kirk doing this performative

01:13:56.740 i forgive him even though he's completely unrepentant and this is something i guess

01:14:05.500 that's associated with i mean i'm not into all the different beliefs of all the different

01:14:09.800 denominations i'm not an expert on that but apparently from what i've seen this is a very

01:14:14.220 common thing among evangelicals that they do this like performative forgiveness irrespective of

01:14:20.980 whether the person's repentant. And the Bible's very clear that you should forgive, but only in

01:14:27.940 response to repentance. And it's actually pretty insane when you do forgiveness without repentance,

01:14:34.640 because you're essentially, you're letting them off the hook when they don't even agree that they

01:14:42.540 did anything wrong. But what all of the like big Christian accounts on X have been saying all day,

01:14:50.020 including matt walsh i'm very disappointed in his take on this is that oh it's okay if you forgive

01:14:57.420 because it doesn't matter because you can still punish and it's like no that's not what forgiveness

01:15:04.320 means when you forgive someone it means i'm not pressing charges when you forgive someone uh it's

01:15:12.600 commonly used for example when you forgive a debt when you forgive a debt it means they don't have

01:15:18.200 to pay you back. So forgiveness absolutely means that you do not seek further accountability.

01:15:24.860 You don't seek punishment. And for them to say like, oh, forgiveness means, you know, just that

01:15:31.820 you don't have vengeance in your heart anymore, but you still want them punished. That's crazy.

01:15:36.940 And it's really like new agey therapy speak. It's the kind of thing that you would have in like

01:15:42.680 secular therapy has nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible. And it's crazy to me that

01:15:48.020 it's so appealing to women because what do women want to do? Women want to virtue signal.

01:15:55.420 They want to feel good about themselves. And this ties directly into that, which is why it's so

01:16:02.000 successful in the whole new agey therapy thing. So the fact that this completely secular like

01:16:08.060 belief system has just completely come into modern Christianity, especially evangelical Christianity

01:16:14.960 goes to show what pearl has been saying all along which is that modern christianity which i always

01:16:20.840 call cuck christianity is run by women and for women yeah there's a tweet i have here it says

01:16:28.600 erica kirk forgives her husband's killer okay but would she have lunch with him introduce her kids

01:16:34.400 to him let a friend marry him oh it's not about that so when a christian says they forgive me

01:16:39.560 for an insult i should expect them to be lying and still be spiteful yep can i jump in on that

01:16:45.920 real quick yeah go ahead somebody's got bad background noise who is that

01:16:51.320 oh there okay go ahead i agree with mostly everything mako just just said um but um

01:16:59.940 looking into the bible even even says in john 1 9 it says god forgives the sins of those who

01:17:06.220 confess and repent so this isn't even like a free thing this is not something you should be giving

01:17:12.720 out freely you people are supposed to come and confess their sins and repent to get forgiveness

01:17:19.640 and then you know ignoring this from the political side or ignoring this from the religious side just

01:17:25.600 looking at on the political side as well her forgiving him on live television was not not

01:17:31.180 the greatest thing i understand where she's coming from i just it wasn't a great thing because

01:17:36.580 democrats and liberals are going to use her for giving him to beat just beat conservatives and

01:17:43.060 red pillars over the head i mean we've already seen this week how unhinged destiny got yeah

01:17:49.460 so you're you're going to hear this line i guarantee you're going to hear this line from

01:17:53.220 a democrat or liberal or a blue pill or whatever they're going to say well her uh his uh his wife

01:18:01.540 forgave him so why can't you exactly you already know what they're going to say yeah or or his

01:18:07.220 wife has moved on why haven't you moved on and i just see this um if you could share my screen for

01:18:12.100 a second um i just see this like young ladies in a world of cardi b's being erica kirk and

01:18:21.460 i understand the sentiment i know the women are trying to come together but it just almost seems

01:18:26.020 like we're worshiping erica kirk now and i don't know if that's the best place for a grieving

01:18:32.820 widow to be like if we're really looking out in her best interest is the best place for her to be

01:18:38.320 right now in the spotlight on a pedestal leading a 20 million dollar organization when she's got

01:18:44.660 two kids at home but i don't think a single person saying that because nobody wants to hurt

01:18:49.880 hurt her feelings um in my two cents the i think people want to use her as this like symbol and

01:18:59.420 rallying cry but i don't really think she's equipped for that like i think that if you keep

01:19:06.280 doing this with her it's i mean she's just a mother she wasn't like number two at turning

01:19:12.100 point or anything like that and her taking over turning point is just going to be a figurehead

01:19:16.940 role. She's not going to actually be in charge. She's not the personality that was making

01:19:21.160 everything work. She was a mom who was at home with her kids. So trying to take her and turn

01:19:27.880 her, transform her into this like big girl boss. I don't know. I don't think it's going to work

01:19:33.640 out very well. And the women keep saying that, you know, she had like a Bible reading app

01:19:38.020 before, but I'm just keep thinking, do you know how different that it, do you know how many

01:19:42.880 employees turning point has i don't actually know but if i had to guess it's probably 100 to 200

01:19:48.260 employees if i had to guess i think i looked it up a few days ago it's several hundred and their

01:19:54.420 revenues were like 80 million dollars or something do you know how hard that job is i mean most men

01:19:59.700 aren't able to like most men could not do that job most men and now you're putting a woman whose

01:20:06.560 natural proclivities who doesn't have the experience and her natural proclivities really

01:20:11.680 aren't designed for that role i just don't think anyone seems to be it just seems like everyone

01:20:17.180 wants to see what they can get out of his death instead of having an honest conversation about

01:20:22.420 what is best you know for the grieving family i i think it was i think was it steven crowder or

01:20:29.320 andrew wilson that mentioned that this will create a power vacuum it was one of those two i believe

01:20:34.620 oh i didn't hear that but yeah that sounds like something they would say to be honest they would

01:20:39.460 be one of the few to acknowledge this glenn welcome to the show um jc i'm gonna i'm gonna

01:20:45.880 have to drop you but thanks thanks for joining no problem all right yo hold on all right glenn

01:20:54.220 um what are your thoughts on the topic um do you think christians should forgive pure evil

01:21:00.320 so forgiveness is not for the individual it's for the person that is being that's been grieved

01:21:10.240 against right like i forgive somebody for murdering somebody but that doesn't mean i'm

01:21:14.360 going to help let them avoid the consequences of murdering somebody right like i'm forgiving you

01:21:20.880 so i'm not harboring any of that resentment so i'm being like infringed upon right in my faith

01:21:29.540 but that doesn't mean like i'm going to let you avoid the consequences of your actions

01:21:33.660 right that doesn't mean you get to uh escape justice manko is that did you say that or was

01:21:40.700 that jc that sounds like the opposite of what one of you were saying so i'm just curious

01:21:45.460 yeah i'm i said that's that's like meaningless forgiveness that's all about i guess your own

01:21:52.780 personal emotions that has no effect on the outside world which i think just kind of strange

01:21:57.520 So, for example, if your wife cheated on you and then you forgave her, but you're like, oh, I forgive you, but I'm still going to divorce you.

01:22:05.980 What? Does that make any sense? It doesn't.

01:22:08.400 Yes, that makes perfect sense.

01:22:11.340 I forgive you for the wrong that you've done, but that doesn't mean you get to avoid the consequences of your actions.

01:22:17.700 right like then what is somebody if somebody says like i'm sorry for stealing from you

01:22:24.180 are you but you're not gonna you so that means you're just not gonna like

01:22:28.980 call the cops for them stealing on stealing from you

01:22:32.420 like does that make sense yeah i mean it pretty much that's exactly what it means when you

01:22:42.080 when you forgive someone you're letting them off the hook that's what forgiveness does

01:22:46.720 No, no, no, no. I don't think that's forgiveness at all. Forgiveness is not absence of justice. Because in the Bible, it says that love does not rejoice when injustice is done. So if someone has done something wrong, and they get away with it, that is injustice.

01:23:08.480 So when a politician like the president or governor pardons someone, isn't that a form of forgiveness?

01:23:16.720 That's their position. They have the grounds to render that level of administration, administrative, you know, forgiveness or maintenance or some type of, you know, resolve there.

01:23:34.360 But that doesn't mean that the individual is forgiven. Like for somebody gets pardoned, they've already served some time.

01:23:41.420 they've been in prison for however long and then now they're being pardoned they're not having to

01:23:46.300 do the full sentence but they still had to face a consequence the consequences he just pardoned

01:23:52.380 joe biden pardoned his son he didn't that was to me that was wrong to begin with that was illegal

01:23:57.660 if you ask me i i think that that was um just my opinion like how are you going to give him a

01:24:04.560 pardon all the way from 2014 you know and to the future so he can't be tried i mean that was

01:24:11.920 yeah i just don't understand why we're still on this whole you have to forgive somebody or

01:24:19.960 or it will destroy you type of thing i think that's some of the biggest bunch of garbage ever

01:24:24.960 because i think the forgiveness aspect is is like wait let him finish let him finish

01:24:30.420 so again pia do you want to finish what you're saying and then yeah you can go go ahead yeah i

01:24:35.440 just i think that that's a dumb narrative that like that like power people powerful people tell

01:24:42.000 let's tell weaker or poorer people i don't know there's some kind of a nefarious maybe that's not

01:24:48.920 what i'm trying to say i think there's some kind of nefariousness to it to say that you have to

01:24:53.460 forgive somebody or somehow it's going to have a negative impact on your life i don't think so

01:24:57.920 I really don't I think but I think that there are people in times where you should hold grudges for life life

01:25:04.340 well I mean like I say like you can forgive them you don't have to forget what they did

01:25:09.760 yeah but like why do you have to forgive them though like like like do you think that there's

01:25:15.620 ever a positive reason or a positive state of being that involves not forgiving somebody

01:25:22.120 or do you just think it's a blanket thing well it's like I think I look at it like this like

01:25:26.360 we ask God to forgive us of our wrongdoings,

01:25:30.360 the things that we have done that are egregious

01:25:33.480 or have offended him, right?

01:25:36.880 And he extends that level of forgiveness.

01:25:39.760 He says, repent and sin no more, right?

01:25:43.420 And we are able to commune again with him

01:25:47.000 until we breach that, you know,

01:25:49.520 we do something wrong again,

01:25:50.640 then we have to ask for forgiveness.

01:25:51.980 So it's like, it's a practice,

01:25:53.760 the same thing that he set the standard

01:25:55.480 and it's like do as i have done right like so as i have forgiven you for your wrongdoings

01:26:03.720 you forgive others that do wrong towards you that doesn't mean that they avoid the consequence

01:26:09.600 of their actions because every action does have a consequence

01:26:13.740 i don't think so i think some people have no consequences for their actions

01:26:20.740 well i can see that in recent times i don't know i won't lie what you're saying is like

01:26:27.480 confusing me a little bit like it i think i can clear this up yeah go ahead so there's two

01:26:33.680 different definitions of forgive that are kind of being put out here okay so my way of looking

01:26:39.640 at forgiveness and i think it's the way that's the correct way is that when you forgive someone

01:26:45.740 it's like a pardon it's like forgiving a debt when you forgive a debt that means they don't

01:26:50.180 have to pay you back when someone owes you money and you say i forgive your debt it doesn't mean

01:26:56.520 well i don't resent that you haven't been paying me however you still got to pay the money back

01:27:01.480 like uh it means that you don't have to pay them back anymore then the other definition and this

01:27:06.940 i kind of associate more with like a modern new agey therapy type i mean outlook yeah is that

01:27:13.400 you're just saying i am i am not going to feel resentment anymore and that that this is like

01:27:19.500 makes me feel good because now i don't have to carry the resentment and that's all it means

01:27:24.520 so it's almost like it's like a it's like a semantics argument in a way um so i want but

01:27:30.300 it's like it's like her her uh it's like erica kirk saying i don't want to carry hatred in my

01:27:39.000 heart anymore so i i forgive you therefore i no longer have hatred in my heart does that make

01:27:45.060 sense what's so bad about carrying hatred in your heart though i don't think it's a bad thing all

01:27:50.500 the time i really don't but doug are you speaking from a christian perspective no i'm not i'm not

01:27:58.420 conceptually so i'm not so yeah because in the bible christ does command that we should forgive

01:28:05.460 although the bible also says that they should repent first and then you forgive no it doesn't

01:28:11.700 actually it doesn't actually say that maxwell maxwell i brought you up um i guess i don't want

01:28:19.060 to make this too in the weeds about religion but i'll go i'll go a little bit further before you

01:28:24.340 know but but uh you said that they are misunderstanding the bible i'm just curious

01:28:30.340 what do you what do you think they're misunderstanding hello can you hear me i i can hear you go ahead

01:28:36.820 okay so it's it's pretty bad actually um first of all manco smash you're misunderstanding the

01:28:45.620 scripture big time you're equating what god forgiveness is according to how he wants his

01:28:51.860 subjects to forgive those are not the same thing in order to have salvation through god's repentance

01:28:59.300 but in order for us to follow in god's footsteps and mirror him we need to be forgiving the bible

01:29:06.580 says in matthew we need to give up to 77 times do you remember that scripture

01:29:15.940 oh yeah i i know what you're referring to yeah up to 77 times when jesus died in luke 23 34

01:29:27.060 he said father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing this doesn't mean

01:29:32.260 didn't know that he shot a person what it means is they don't know the extent of the evil that

01:29:39.760 they wrought even in killing god's son i don't know i think this is where christians kind of

01:29:44.980 lose me because i'm like look i'm not that religious i'm not going to argue the bible

01:29:49.500 with you i'm not going to argue the bible with you but i think it's where you lose

01:29:52.740 kind of logical people because most people that do wrong things know exactly what they're doing

01:29:58.040 i mean come on like yeah come on like let's just let's just be let's just like be pragmatic

01:30:03.840 come on this dude this dude you're telling me he he woke up that day drove three hours got a gun

01:30:11.600 got on top of the he could have got on top and left but he got on top snipe ran away and he

01:30:18.300 didn't know the extent like come on let me clarify and i know i'm sure there's like it seems like

01:30:24.920 this is just to it just seems like people make the bible say anything like it's just i mean this

01:30:31.480 is where you kind of lose people just in general my opinion is i don't think erica has like truly

01:30:37.720 like um been able to like decompress or like really process everything yet to like say that

01:30:44.520 she forgives this this guy i think it's more politically correct for her to virtue signal like

01:30:50.360 No, it's not, it's not political. It's not political at all. It's biblical. Now I agree with Pearl. I personally used to be a very avid Christian. I'm not anymore. What I'm here to do is clarify her position. This isn't new agey stuff, Manco. This isn't new agey.

01:31:05.820 All right. All right. I need to start pushing back because now I'm being told I'm being told by an apostate how the Bible works. So an apostate. Oh, OK. Yeah. So sit down with Luke. No, stop. I'm going to talk now. Luke 17 says, verse three, if another and this is Christ's words, if another believer sins, rebuke that person. Then if there is repentance, forgive.

01:31:35.820 that's what the bible says

01:31:38.540 yeah forgiveness does not mean a void of consequence

01:31:45.680 i don't know if i'm being if i'm being honest glenn it kind of made sense what he was saying

01:31:51.520 earlier like that made more sense to me and i'm not i'm not that religious i could be wrong but

01:31:56.100 i'm just saying like what do you what are you saying the thing about forgiving means getting

01:32:00.340 like forgiving a debt that kind of that made sense to me well it's it's like this like well

01:32:07.020 one forgiveness is not an option it's a command right biblically speaking you see that in matthew

01:32:13.040 6 14 or 6 verse 14 to 15 right for you forgive others of their trespasses your heavenly father

01:32:20.240 will also forgive you but for you that don't forgive others of their trespasses neither

01:32:24.980 will the father forgive your trespasses so it's like if we want our sins to be forgiven

01:32:29.820 that we commit against god then we need to also forgive right you know do that action that he has

01:32:38.640 given you right but also like because the forgiveness mirrors god's character essentially

01:32:44.640 but forgiveness does not mean ignoring of justice right because god says the vengeance is mine says

01:32:51.360 the lord so let justice let god deal with the vengeance and and and yeah so basically letting

01:32:57.840 them deal with their consequences but not you implementing it i'm not i'm not going to be able

01:33:02.480 to quote the bible or anything but i'm just thinking about the patterns i've seen in my life

01:33:06.880 and a woman taking that definition and changing it would kind of make sense to me

01:33:13.360 to like yeah that would that would kind of women do it all the time that like when manco was talking

01:33:20.940 that just seemed to make a lot of sense i was just i but i i'm not i'm not a bible like i don't know

01:33:27.580 the bible through and through so i don't know so pearl it's just when you when you said that

01:33:31.740 it was almost like a clarity that made everything that i disagreed with before kind of makes sense

01:33:37.780 go ahead yeah um yeah so when it comes to something there's this uh concept statutory

01:33:44.500 constructions how different courts interpret different laws and read them together so they're

01:33:49.380 not contradictory so i stated a very clear kind of commandment from jesus and all that kind of stuff

01:33:56.340 and then other people pointed out well in other parts of the bible he doesn't talk about repentance

01:34:02.820 He doesn't always mention it. Well, here's the thing, but he does explicitly mention it some of

01:34:10.020 the time. And he does say, for example, if there is repentance, forgive. So the fact that he doesn't

01:34:17.080 always say if there is repentance in every other part of the Bible doesn't mean that that condition

01:34:24.480 isn't there. And it doesn't mean that when he did say it, that's now nullified and like overridden.

01:34:29.820 It just means that you don't always say like every caveat every time you speak.

01:34:35.680 So I think the Bible's pretty clear and it never contradicts that position.

01:34:40.580 The Bible never says forgive even if there isn't repentance, but it does say if there

01:34:46.900 is repentance, forgive.

01:34:48.360 So you should take the interpretation.

01:34:51.240 I know this is the problem.

01:34:52.340 This is why people criticize like Protestant churches where instead of having like a hierarchy

01:34:58.300 of an establishment church that actually officially decides what the bible means and then tells

01:35:04.200 everyone and then they follow that in protestant churches everyone kind of decides for themselves

01:35:09.360 that's like sola scriptura or something and so people can get these very wildly differently

01:35:16.120 differing interpretations but that's yeah that's my take on it i understand okay guys i'm gonna

01:35:22.160 drop you because i i do appreciate all the points but this is more of the weeds that i was actually

01:35:27.480 tried to i was you guys are all interesting so i enjoyed the back and forth but it's more of the

01:35:32.040 weeds can i leave with one question though just the question real quick okay if if the idea is

01:35:38.920 that if erica forgave the shooter then should the shooter be set free absolutely not no absolutely

01:35:49.320 not yeah but she forgave them if erica's the queen then she could do that right if she was

01:35:55.940 the president or just and like the governor or someone in a position of power i bet i'm sorry

01:36:00.940 with the way webinar i bet she would that's like no i don't think so i don't think so wait hold on

01:36:07.680 what pearl's trying to say is is if it would because her forgiving him is performative in

01:36:15.360 and of itself i think that if her handlers were able to say you letting him breathe would would

01:36:23.680 give you this amount of fame or this amount of clout or this amount of money there would be a

01:36:28.240 scenario where she'd do it i guarantee it and then women you know they have this need to oh he can

01:36:34.320 he can reform and he can this and he can that so i there would be a scenario that she would do it

01:36:39.280 I guarantee it

01:36:40.280 I don't put it past any of these

01:36:43.440 no there's women that have gone

01:36:45.260 to court and testified

01:36:47.300 that they don't want the death penalty

01:36:49.300 for someone who's like killed a husband

01:36:51.120 or a relative

01:36:51.780 I mean I saw this thing on Twitter

01:36:54.060 I don't know if it was real or not

01:36:55.580 but it was basically of this woman

01:36:58.240 who allowed her like

01:37:00.740 mother's killer back into her home

01:37:03.040 and then she got killed too

01:37:04.760 like she let him stay

01:37:06.560 and I'm like that's sad

01:37:07.840 i'm not i'm not saying it's real because i don't know but the fact that like i could believe that

01:37:13.600 would happen just my god i just i could see a woman doing that but historically we had to go

01:37:19.600 with the guy that you know killed the other guy so it doesn't make sense it kind of makes sense

01:37:25.120 to me that we have sympathy for the other guy but i wanted to point out like when i asked that

01:37:30.400 question guys are on the panel like no he shouldn't go away free well why because although she may

01:37:36.160 forgive them that doesn't mean that he gets to avoid justice so you can forget that there still

01:37:43.360 is justice that needs to be served yeah well another aspect of this is that she's not the

01:37:48.640 only victim here the entire country is also a victim in in the camp of monte cristo he uh the

01:37:59.360 the guy, the Count, his girlfriend or his wife, whatever, finally recognizes him. And he still

01:38:07.920 wants to go after the guy that threw him in prison and stole his girl. And the scene before he goes

01:38:14.800 after him, she's like, oh, you don't have to do this. And he said one of the coldest lines in

01:38:20.080 movie history. He said, if you ever love me, don't rob me of my hate. It's all I have. And then he

01:38:28.320 goes off to go fight the guy i'm of that camp don't rob someone of their hate when it comes to

01:38:36.080 being aggrieved they must be wiped out they must be wiped out without a doubt that's the

01:38:43.540 masculine imperative they must be destroyed you can't get them in the heart i agree with that

01:38:49.900 okay well thank you guys all this is a really cool conversation and i i did it

01:38:55.700 something for you. Oh my God. Okay. 30 seconds, 30 seconds. Yeah. You remember Austin Metcalf and

01:39:05.440 the black kid stabbed him or something at the football game. Yeah. So his, his father did this

01:39:12.000 whole forgiveness and I looked it up. This is the quote. This is what the father of the dead son

01:39:16.900 said. People ask me, how can you forgive this other person? I said, I forgive the other person

01:39:23.620 because the forgiveness is not for him the forgiveness is for me so i can have peace

01:39:29.540 his life is destroyed my life is destroyed that's the quote i feel that i feel that i agree so he

01:39:37.700 kind of did the same thing yeah i think that's real i don't if somebody killed my chad's son

01:39:46.180 i would kill i would i would want the death penalty um but you can have both pearl you can

01:39:52.420 have both you can want the death penalty i don't i don't think no i don't think so because i think

01:39:57.540 i would have to have some hatred in my heart to want to see somebody electrocuted to death

01:40:02.740 actually i would say yeah that's actually more merciful than having them serve a life

01:40:06.980 i think yeah no i think i disagree prison isn't so bad my cousin used to go to prison he kind of

01:40:14.100 of liked it in there no i'm i'm dead i'm like i don't think it's as bad as they really make it

01:40:24.180 out to be i mean these women are voting for this stuff i mean the amount of money they spend on

01:40:28.380 prisoners it can't be that bad it depends which prison that's true that's true but yeah he pearl

01:40:35.460 i talked to a guy who was in prison and he went to a private prison and they let him have xbox in

01:40:40.900 there yeah that's what i mean i mean no my cousin got drugs in prison yeah i mean he couldn't he did

01:40:47.480 get cleaner during when he went to jail because he couldn't afford the drugs but yeah he's dead

01:40:53.500 now anyways thanks for calling they're more expensive but they have everything in there

01:40:58.460 and you can just buy cell phones from the guard oh yeah no i know so thanks for calling in guys

01:41:03.700 We're going to move on to the next caller.

01:41:05.240 Bye.

01:41:07.780 All right.

01:41:08.460 Doug MPA.

01:41:10.280 I think that's what, like, it's just whenever you talk to religion,

01:41:16.220 and no offense to anyone coming on, you guys are all very great,

01:41:18.440 respectful, smart men, and I appreciate the contributions.

01:41:21.660 But the challenge I get with Christianity at times is everyone just thinks

01:41:25.700 they're right, and it just seems like people can make the Bible say anything.

01:41:29.900 and unless you just have a ton of free time to like like and i think this is where you lose the

01:41:35.600 men that are like working a lot because i just think of like again i always say my father is

01:41:43.000 the most moral man i've ever met in my life and i i do think he'd identify as catholic but he's

01:41:48.140 not that religious do you think he has the time to go think through every like to read the bible

01:41:53.260 like cover to cover and think through every like theological thought no he was raising 10 kids

01:42:01.180 to like he had like this giant company he doesn't have time to do all that and it just didn't make

01:42:07.720 sense to me like because some of the religious people it would be like oh if he didn't so let's

01:42:14.560 say my dad he did get baptized but let's say he did it and his actions from birth to death were

01:42:20.020 moral like just a moral person he doesn't need the bible to tell him he's just that way but he

01:42:26.240 didn't have the time that like unemployed people have or you know people like me right i have the

01:42:34.960 time to debate this stuff but like that doesn't make sense to me that but then people get really

01:42:41.000 emotional when i say this like that just doesn't make sense uh but then they'll say well my my

01:42:48.120 authority figure said this or the book says this but then they'll all put it in a different way

01:42:52.620 and then i just get i just you lose me yeah yeah it's just it's the performative nature and then

01:42:59.640 honestly oh the performative yeah oh my gosh that's what my dad said i asked him why he wasn't

01:43:04.360 religion because again he's the most moral person i've met in my life and i'm like dad how are you

01:43:09.440 not religious like you act better than most religious people and you do and he said to me

01:43:15.700 i was sick of gay med lecturing me on how to talk yeah here's the thing you think a guy like your

01:43:23.700 father you know let's say something were to happen to a member of his family like i i just don't

01:43:30.500 think that a motivated ambitious man would let hating someone that agreed to him affect his life

01:43:37.940 in a negative way i just don't see it i just don't no i mean the thing is if that happened to my dad

01:43:43.540 he wouldn't he's just not an angry person like so i don't know there's just people that aren't

01:43:48.900 really wired that way they're not emotional so he just wouldn't he just doesn't really have like

01:43:54.400 anger in him that's the best way i could describe it but that's the thing about it though

01:43:58.440 you're automatically associating not forgiving someone or hating someone because there's

01:44:03.760 something wrong with anger see i don't but you know i told you i'm mr hold the grudge there are

01:44:10.820 people I hold a grudge against for the rest of my life.

01:44:13.020 I'm not gonna forgive them, but you get to the point

01:44:15.580 where you still don't even think about them anymore.

01:44:17.380 No, but I don't think that it's a bad thing.

01:44:20.020 I'm saying there's some people that aren't wired like that.

01:44:23.000 Yeah.

01:44:23.840 Like they just aren't that way.

01:44:25.500 I would hold all, yeah, I would hold the grudge.

01:44:28.700 I'm a woman.

01:44:31.020 I would hold the grudge, but.

01:44:32.880 Yeah, we should have a competition.

01:44:35.000 Maybe one day we'll end up hating the same person early

01:44:38.480 And we'll see who can hold the grudge the longest.

01:44:44.880 Yeah, I mean, but I'll let it go if I get a genuine apology, actually.

01:44:50.700 If I get a genuine repentance and, like, I am sorry.

01:44:53.680 Like, if I think I have a genuine apology, I'll let it go.

01:44:57.800 Because the thing about it is, is you've been done wrong.

01:45:02.460 That's what people don't understand.

01:45:03.820 They say, oh, it's your responsibility when the person did you wrong.

01:45:09.040 you should be able to sit there and not forgive this person and now i can see if if

01:45:16.800 if the person made a like let's say the guy that took out charlie kirk went to his wife and said

01:45:21.600 i apologize i'm sorry then she can forgive but like he's made no effort anything like that and

01:45:28.320 i would say what do you think about pearly people that are offered an apology and they still don't

01:45:34.320 like a heartfelt apology and they still don't forget the person i think it's their right to

01:45:40.000 i personally would with if i got a heart the problem is there's been times where i haven't

01:45:47.200 forgiven somebody after they apologized and it's because i did not i think hindsight being 2020 i

01:45:54.160 did not believe that they were sorry or really had a penance in any way i think if i thought

01:46:00.400 that they did do you know what i mean because sometimes it's like you got to do something

01:46:04.240 to prove you're sorry you know it's not just you oh now you've been a bitch to me for three

01:46:10.740 years and now you're going to be nice to me for five minutes and i'm going to forget it

01:46:15.320 yeah yeah okay yeah i agree um okay so we're going to go back to sorry this got a little

01:46:22.580 too off the rails but i all right we're going to do jackson

01:46:27.520 hey jackson welcome to the show uh what are you working it is what do you think of the topic

01:46:38.440 should christians forgive pure evil well my short answer is yes um basically one point i wanted to

01:46:49.100 make i've been listening to this show is that the word forgive is one of those words that has

01:46:55.300 different meanings to different people i would even argue the bible itself uses the word slightly

01:47:01.780 differently depending on the the context and i think that was why there was some of the conflict

01:47:06.660 with various verses um before in that discussion i won't rehash that whole thing but you know i

01:47:14.900 remember or i guess for actually before i go into that story i'll go into what i think what i mean

01:47:20.980 by forgive what i mean by forgive is that you do not wish ill upon the person i would say wishing

01:47:29.380 the person does not receive a consequence or sorry um but like like if i wish somebody gets

01:47:36.900 electrocuted to death because they killed somebody well here's what i would say isn't that kind of

01:47:42.260 ill you know what i mean you could you could look at it that way but i i also think that having a

01:47:49.140 consequence does someone good too, depending on what the consequence is, right? Like the reason

01:47:55.960 you discipline a child is for their own good, right? It's not pleasant for the child, but if

01:48:02.980 you discipline the child, it's for their own good. Now, when it comes to something like life

01:48:08.040 termination of somebody, that would be more for the good of society, right? To get rid of that

01:48:14.980 that evil person so therefore I still think that depending on your specific motives you could still

01:48:23.720 wish somebody gets the death penalty without it being holding a grudge in an unchristian way

01:48:29.660 I think it just matters sort of where your heart is I think that if it's to gratify your flesh and

01:48:37.140 see the the person suffer that's where I would say personally as a Christian I think that's wrong

01:48:44.500 But if it's, you know, for the safety of others, and so that justice is served, I think that's completely different.

01:48:54.580 Cool. Well, I appreciate the input. Thanks for calling in.

01:48:59.900 No problem.

01:49:02.020 We're going to try to get through these next ones. I don't want to go. All right, let's see. We're going to have Nate next.

01:49:07.420 nate uh thanks for calling in um should christians forgive pure evil let me know what you think

01:49:17.880 hey what's up pearl can you hear me i can hear you go ahead yep go ahead

01:49:23.640 cool so pearl we have something in common you said you went to

01:49:27.660 catholic school right yep all right so i know we've both read dante we've both read uh we've

01:49:35.080 both read Dante. Is that, is that right? Um, a long time ago. I don't remember it at all. Okay.

01:49:41.600 So, okay. Should Christians forgive pure evil? Uh, so, uh, absolutely they should. And here's

01:49:49.820 why. Um, so in book two of Dante's Inferno, uh, Francisca de Ramini, um, uh, was dedicated to

01:49:58.760 being a nun and then kidnapped and forced to marry the evil Giancato Maltesta and and Francesca in

01:50:09.680 her in in the situation she was in fell in love with Paulo Giancato's brother and they had a steamy

01:50:18.500 hot sex-fueled affair and when Giancato found out he he judged them he judged them with a violent

01:50:28.520 death and they ended up in the second circle of hell together but uh still in hell and so uh as

01:50:35.480 a former catholic so i think this is a secular catholic uh opinion um you know there's always

01:50:42.120 going to be a religious nut job who thinks that a woman having an affair or somebody stopping uh you

01:50:48.440 know slamming on their brakes in front of them um is a form of pure evil and for me i'm oh that was

01:50:55.720 the worst one oh i hated that one sorry i'm just i'm agreeing with you what they say yeah all sit

01:51:03.640 is the same i'm like a bitch go on god yeah yeah and and so francesca's uh francesca and paulo's

01:51:11.880 punishment was actually this uh they were being swirled around in the wind forever and so uh while

01:51:18.600 they were together in life um which is in my opinion it's pretty sick you know probably a lot

01:51:24.520 lot of room to play in there um you know uh in in hell uh they were together but could never be that

01:51:31.220 close to one another wow cool well uh did you but yeah but yeah that yeah and so that to me it's

01:51:39.980 actually a really important opinion to get all the way out too right so um you know i don't just think

01:51:45.940 that like it should be obvious that people having an affair isn't a form of pure evil you can't kill

01:51:53.000 someone for this um and you should be if you want to consider forgiveness that's great but you

01:51:59.500 shouldn't be talking about pure evil i also think that uh people that commit horrific crimes um

01:52:05.200 should be you know we should always be a little skeptical of the judge jury and executioner um

01:52:11.620 you know while still having uh faith in in something um but yeah that was that was my

01:52:18.320 my sort of main thing is that, you know, I, I don't, I don't want crazy people telling me what

01:52:22.760 sin is. Okay, cool. Thanks for calling in calling anytime. All right. Are we going to talk about

01:52:28.780 Erica? Oh, my bad. Well, I did that. Did I remove myself too? I'm still on, right?

01:52:38.580 uh that was i didn't mean to do that but okay all right well we move on

01:52:47.620 all right i'm trying to get through these because i'm trying to do a two-hour show today

01:52:53.160 samuel welcome to the show i do should christians forgive pure evil hey is my my audio good i can

01:53:05.000 hear you um okay perfect i'm trying to get through a few callers so just try to keep it concise okay

01:53:10.540 go ahead yeah yeah i will uh thank you very much for giving me this chance so um my answer to that

01:53:16.520 is yes um i agree with what i think jackson was saying or malcolm i don't remember so we are called

01:53:23.960 to forgive that's a commandment for us christians just to reflect the character of god who forgave

01:53:29.660 us all. Now, something that we need to understand is that one individual goes and breaks the law

01:53:35.660 to the extent that Tyler did, you're going to face consequences. And it's not up to Erica

01:53:42.300 to pursue charges. It's not up to any relative, any living relative of Charlie to pursue any type

01:53:48.340 of charge. Now it's up to the prosecution, which is representing the state, which is what the state

01:53:53.920 ease for is to guarantee that our rights are there and that involves pursuing criminal charges

01:54:00.080 against tyler so erica's got nothing to do with that oh that's just an actual fact and yes we

01:54:07.360 need to forgive no matter what is not easy and forgiveness without the person repenting for us

01:54:14.000 or to us it's for us we forgive so we hold no grudge we hold no hatred and we get peace for

01:54:21.600 ourselves now there's another type of forgiveness which is a gift that comes from the mercy of god

01:54:28.520 which is to essentially um wash all of our sins that's what god's forgiveness gives that's not

01:54:36.420 up to me i cannot forgive or wash any sin yeah but god does so if i were to smack you on the face

01:54:43.700 or or the other way if you were to smack me on the face you would be sinning against me i need

01:54:50.340 i am commanded to forgive you no matter what there's no option for me really if i am a

01:54:56.500 christian okay thank you for calling in calling anytime okay sure i don't see him in the waiting

01:55:05.200 room but it's okay we're almost done anyway i'll do one more um i'll do james it's my last one

01:55:13.520 tonight all right James I don't I don't see him as a choice

01:55:32.140 no I don't hear anything James five four three two all right guys you got to get

01:55:39.420 the Zoom to work. I'm going to do this guy. I feel like I've dug MPs back. All right,

01:55:49.160 Paulo, your last caller of the night. So should Christians forgive pure evil? What are your

01:55:56.500 thoughts? Yes, I think Christians should forgive pure evil. However, as I was watching the show,

01:56:05.140 i saw that some people talked about forgiving or forgetting repenting or accepting and all that

01:56:12.800 and i think a lot of it comes down to semantics do you recall uh that guy jesse lee peterson

01:56:21.260 you've been to his show like forever ago do you recall that i love jesse that's my guy he's

01:56:27.040 awesome go ahead there you go so he has a measuring stick for that for example he says

01:56:34.420 you got to forgive your mom why because you're angry so he believes that you are angry because

01:56:41.860 you did not forgive your mother so that's kind of a method that he's got so let's say that if you're

01:56:48.260 angry and you're emotional and you are depressed for six months some years you might as well

01:56:57.060 forgive you might as well look for therapy you might as well do something about it does it make

01:57:02.980 sense doug mpa what do you think of that uh like do you think if you don't forgive the anger really

01:57:12.260 harms you because then you're harboring onto the resentment well so or something else like

01:57:17.540 depression well okay you're talking about pure evil now you're talking about maybe simple

01:57:24.740 grievances and stuff like that but i think that there are scenarios where pure evil should not

01:57:30.340 be forgiven if someone comes into your house and takes out okay okay how about this a drunk driver

01:57:38.500 is driving drunk and takes out two two of your family members you don't have to forgive them at

01:57:43.060 all ever now you know you know if you had a bad relationship with your mother and she chooses to

01:57:49.300 try to change that relationship you can forgive that but there are just there are levels to this

01:57:55.940 understanding that there are people that are completely irresponsible that cause consequences

01:57:59.780 that harm other people they shouldn't be forgiven no yeah good point and i have no problem with that

01:58:06.580 you know one and i agree with you guys on that my point is it seems that a lot of this christian

01:58:13.220 faith that i consider myself a christian but it's like yeah do nothing about it just relax accept

01:58:21.140 and do nothing about it and i don't believe that should be human i don't think that's a human

01:58:27.540 you know condition yeah i don't know sometimes anger is like useful like you know you know it's

01:58:32.980 like after a divorce you're gonna be on the treadmill running you're gonna make a million

01:58:38.340 dollars this year because you're pissed you know yeah yeah so it seems that what really matters is

01:58:47.780 what you do about it yeah instead of so you might call it forgiveness acceptance or something like

01:58:53.300 that yeah and just to comment briefly on erica because i was watching the very beginning of

01:58:59.060 your show because i wanted to hear your comments on it um it i know it's tragic and terrible and

01:59:07.140 all that but i'm just an idiot with an opinion it seems performative it very it looks like

01:59:14.660 she does not look like uh i was looking through like what she did not what she felt we were

01:59:21.060 talking about like forgiveness what she did 48 hours after her husband passed away and it was

01:59:29.860 a bunch of events taking pictures instagram posts a powerful speech events taking the role of this

01:59:37.460 as a ceo my god when i lost a loved one people are different i understand that but when i lost

01:59:45.220 a loved one within 24 hours i didn't feel like taking a bunch of roles

01:59:51.140 going to a bunch of events and doing a bunch of powerful speeches

01:59:57.140 do you think you would feel like that pro if a loved one i wouldn't and that's i think that's

02:00:02.180 that's why it's weird her actions don't seem like someone who's mourning they don't seem they don't

02:00:08.640 seem like it um maybe people mourn in different ways i don't know i don't know her personally

02:00:14.140 but it also came off as performative to me um like i i was looking at her eyes i didn't see

02:00:21.520 any tears come out like i swear to god when i when she did the um like the crying i zoomed in

02:00:27.940 the first time i saw it to see if i saw any tears i didn't see any

02:00:34.100 right yeah i cannot think of anything more foreign to uh grieving window widow than to be taken on

02:00:41.700 a stage talking to thousands of people live it doesn't sound very not normal it is not normal

02:00:50.340 Yeah. You would think her team and even like counselors and psychology experts would tell her to take a little time because now is a time where she could say something that, you know, that she might not want to say if she doesn't realize it until later.

02:01:08.560 I mean, she's reading off of a script. Don't get me wrong. But still, you know, you don't want to get in front of a camera when you're experiencing this kind of trauma.

02:01:17.620 though and not only get in front of a camera like a call to action you know like get on a website

02:01:23.980 sign up do this be a part of this you can do it it's like oh my god really yeah you're grieving

02:01:30.460 widow so yeah and that and the whole the whole thing was barely about him i i mean i i listened

02:01:38.440 to it through and through it was very little about like who he was as a person you know it was just

02:01:45.020 about you know joy in christianity men be good husbands this is i made i made the home amazing

02:01:51.140 this was all the things that i did for him or that um i did that were awesome you know yeah

02:01:57.080 he wouldn't be where he he may have died he did great things but if it wasn't for me none of this

02:02:02.620 would have ever happened right so yeah so uh so you don't have to be so sorry pearl uh i watch at

02:02:13.640 the beginning of the show say oh my am i well i think communication is a lot uh about what

02:02:19.400 the other person understands and it comes across inauthentic it doesn't come across like uh i mean

02:02:27.960 i'm the consumer of her content right so for me her communication does not sound i mean i don't

02:02:36.200 think she should have that kind of communication what do i know i'm not inside of her i don't know

02:02:41.800 about her feelings but i'm just judging from the outside as a content consumer yeah awesome that

02:02:48.920 was i think that was my favorite call tonight so thanks for calling in calling anytime all right

02:02:54.440 all right thank you bro you have a good evening all right well doug mpa you got any final thoughts

02:03:02.360 um forgive the sinner doesn't mean we cannot take measures like life in prison protect the

02:03:06.360 and it's the innocent still an option but we all want to be saved see um i mean

02:03:14.840 i don't know i think that's two different things i think there's not having anger and forgiveness

02:03:19.560 to me the forgiving manco made the most sense with what it means um but it seems like the semantics

02:03:26.680 everyone's arguing about um doug mpa you got any final thoughts i know i hear i hear ellie barking

02:03:33.480 sorry yeah it's okay my final thoughts are um guys you don't have uh i'll use my stance a little

02:03:41.640 bit on this call and say if someone makes a heartfelt apology you can forgive them if there's

02:03:46.440 some kind of penance or whatever i'm not religious so you know i'm keeping a general concept but i

02:03:51.160 think people forgive way too easily you don't have to forgive anything you really don't and you don't

02:03:56.840 have to it doesn't have to be a negative thing if you don't want it to be this whole oh the person

02:04:03.000 will consume you if thinking about the person who can you can hate somebody long enough to just

02:04:08.040 forget all about them yeah that's what i do yeah so once again like i said before it's like this

02:04:14.520 whole automatically associating and men in anger with with physical violence that's not true anger

02:04:20.760 can be a great motivator and you know hating someone for what they did to you can be a great

02:04:26.520 motivator yeah that's why some of the you know some of the greatest people that

02:04:32.160 have done the various things were bullied as a child you know so yeah don't

02:04:39.760 forgive so easy guys and hold grudges yeah all right well you're hilarious okay

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02:04:54.420 and subscribe and we're probably I think this is gonna be the last show on this

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Pearl - September 23, 2025

Should Christians Forgive Pure Evil？ (Call-In Show) ｜ Pearl Daily

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