00:04:27.880i bet that's good he milks it for three minutes and 45 seconds
00:04:33.220and i see people talk about the interactions with the liberals of new york who are really
00:04:43.640upset about the red pill era why is the red pill like it's seen as a political thing by some people
00:04:48.860like conserve like did the red pill come before like conservatives started using it
00:04:53.740um well it was something that was used in political circles um i don't know which came
00:05:00.420first with that like chicken or the egg you know like now it's well known as a you know
00:05:05.620a movement involving a particular opinion on sexual intersexual dynamics but um it was a
00:05:13.980political thing for a while i mean that analogy the matrix analogy you know what i mean the truth
00:05:19.560or the comfortable lies has been used in politics for a while too right around the same era that
00:05:25.700you know that got coined before i even got involved in it you know what i mean so so yeah
00:05:31.760there's a lot of people who recognize it as a political movement who consider i mean when you
00:05:37.220consider that the government typecasted and put everybody in one basket from you know people on
00:05:45.600terrorist watch lists to black pill people to the red pill people to the incel you know school
00:05:52.060shooter types like they all got put in one basket and there were documents going out um from you
00:05:57.900know involving national security and stuff like that so it got politicized but like when we think
00:06:04.560like red pill like i think like rollo's books you know what i mean like that's i think rule zero i
00:06:10.900think like your your you know podcast like that kind of thing so yeah it's different than what
00:06:17.160some other people think nick what do you think uh well again uh the red pill is like the search
00:06:27.140for truth at least that's you know that's really what the outsider who's trying to get into this
00:06:32.020stuff they just want clarity and truth about something and like it comes it goes back to
00:06:36.620the matrix movie uh where uh was it morpheus held out the two pills the blue pill is like you go
00:06:42.020back to being plugged in to the matrix and then red pill is like you wake up and you see the
00:06:47.620matrix for what it is which is like a giant machine that takes your energy and uses it for
00:06:52.600its own purposes so the red pill was first coined in a in an article i forgot what it was and then
00:07:00.120roll started using it in about 2003 um on a on a board to describe like the awakening right where
00:07:06.440you take the red pill and you wake up from the stupor of being you know blue-pilled and all that
00:07:10.420stuff but the political movement uses uh the word red pill and it trust me it came after it was like
00:07:17.140red pill like red pill in terms of intersexual dynamics was first and then a couple years later
00:07:21.720like when uh after like uh the second obama administration when people started kind of like
00:07:27.120you know the advent of ben shapiro um jordan peterson all those people people started using
00:07:31.400the red pill as sort of a hey you guys notice you guys notice what's happening like everyone's
00:07:38.200everything's woke take the red pill wake up politically to the point where even like candace
00:07:43.000owens her original name on the internet was red pill black right oh yeah that's right that's really
00:07:50.120where the political side of uh red pill started is with her and and all this she's like one of
00:07:55.880the ogs so now people kind of see the red pill as like a self-improvement space and the right wing
00:08:03.560of the aisle like apex was saying is more of a hey uh what's the word i'm searching for based on
00:08:10.920merit and self-improvement and being better so you could see it's not like i don't blame people
00:08:16.040for using red pill in the political sense but it's because of that it's because the right wing
00:08:21.720is in the search for truth you know with all the woke stuff going on it's like you could kind of
00:08:28.040see why they adopted it or just seeped in so that's probably why they confuse uh political
00:08:33.240red pill versus actual red pill because i think that that's why there's so much confusion is
00:08:38.200because so many people use that term right like everybody uses that term so when they say you're
00:08:44.600red pill people think sneko they think andrew tate um they'll think rollo they'll think they'll
00:08:50.200even think like yeah like you said ben shapiro and so it's very confusing because that what
00:08:54.760average person has the time to like sort through all that you know i know exactly well it's such
00:08:59.480a good analogy like the matrix thing was such a good like powerful analogy it's such a well
00:09:05.080at least the first movie and books well very well written and so people are using it for their
00:09:10.680brands you know now the red pill and sexual dynamics um i mean it was just a great analogy
00:09:17.400people were using it for their brands but then when i think gynocentrism like reared its ugly head
00:09:25.560people were like wait a second all these people who are not pushing again pushing back on the
00:09:31.800gynocentric narrative consider themselves red pill oh i better change my brand then you know
00:09:37.800what i mean and i think that's what happened so i think that when they realize that wait a second
00:09:42.200red pill is kind of owned by these predominantly men who are criticizing the sexual marketplace
00:09:48.840which is very gynocentric is that good for my brand and my sponsorship to be associated with
00:09:56.200that maybe not so then you have your candace owens who will change you know i'm no longer
00:10:01.300red pill black everybody what was that you know what i mean and then they pretend like it didn't
00:10:05.120exist it's kind of funny to watch which is kind of kind of what's happening here i think yeah
00:10:09.800that's why they don't know that i pretty much slayed the godfather of it in a debate two years
00:10:14.840ago when the red pill was saying you need to get you guys think that sneko beat rollo in a debate
00:10:20.040that wasn't a real debate so no that's not an actual debate i think rollo in my opinion and
00:10:28.560you know i say this as a friend to rollo you know i like the guy i think that that little exchange
00:10:34.980could have been handled better on his side but that's a pr thing that's not an argument thing
00:10:39.520that's not a debate thing there was no moderated debate you know what i mean so it was really like
00:10:45.460who made themselves look better on the internet well sneko is really good at making himself
00:10:51.340look good or be controversial get engagement on the internet like he's a champion at it i could
00:10:57.140learn from him on how to get more engagement you know what i'm saying so like if that's the criteria
00:11:02.700for who wins a debate who gets more engagement and who gets more people to like like yeah like
00:11:08.760you say yeah maybe but as far as actual arguments uh that didn't happen there was no actual debate
00:11:16.440a vasectomy in order to be a high value man so you could avoid women and not have children gets
00:11:21.880douche nozzles like yourself to have this conversation in the first place
00:11:27.240two years ago i said this is really stupid and i denounce all of this regardless i do have the
00:11:31.960perception from a lot of people that i'm red pill manosphere and people say instead of asking people
00:11:36.680to describe exactly what you said just apologize you said inflammatory things
00:11:41.780you were controversial you were upsetting and I want to take this
00:11:44.480opportunity to apologize to absolutely nobody I understand why people have that
00:11:49.520sentiment but at the same time I think people on the left who are upset need to
00:11:53.960have more empathy for the people who got so sick of all the nonsense that they
00:11:59.540fell for and that they pushed for the past 10 years they were wrong about so
00:12:03.380many things started from the me too movement to the aggressive lockdowns cancel culture all this
00:12:09.160went way too far the fact that some people like me were able to swing the pendulum in the other
00:12:13.500direction by admittedly being inflammatory and provocative that needs to be understood a little
00:12:17.760more that being said it was it was provocative a lot of it was angry that did change the perception
00:12:23.640that many people have but i'm not going to apologize i'm awesome the nature
00:12:28.040look at how cool it's all mine i fixed everything guys it's okay sure so okay so this is why he's
00:12:38.280very popular though most people have the brains of goldfish now because of their social media
00:12:43.080induced attention deficit disorder and psychopathy and he's very good at redirecting
00:12:48.920those massive amount of people but he's not even like when you're actually having a debate
00:12:54.840you have to you have to come up with terms and definitions for example and he's mixing terms and
00:13:01.160definitions right now he's talking about the left he's talking about the right the left in new york
00:13:07.000right and then rollo who is in a totally different category correct he his brand of red pill has to
00:13:14.200do with intersexual dynamics not so much politics and he's just sort of mixing it around and people
00:13:20.680with goldfish brains won't notice the difference and they just sort of yeah people that just don't
00:13:27.160have the time to like go through this yeah right i'm just thinking if i was explaining this to my
00:13:32.360dad he would be like what do you know like your eyes yeah that her his eyes would glaze over he's
00:13:37.320like what are what does any of this mean right so yeah yeah i think it's the us versus them dynamic
00:13:43.880because uh in this video right if you look at it through the marvel mcu brained masses which they
00:13:51.580want me versus you my my fighter versus your fighter it's really a clashing of uh like first
00:13:58.300off it's age like rollo's much older than sneko you know not by much but he's older uh it goes
00:14:04.580younger right so you have a it's a generational gap so you see this guy that's older he you know
00:14:09.660from if you're a new guy to this like this guy's out of touch he's he's kind of losing a little
00:14:13.900bit of his because rollo is a passionate guy right he defends his work which took him a year
00:14:18.520like his third book or fourth book took him like two years all the research right and this kid
00:14:24.280what is he what is his work right it's basically nothing it's just i'm on a screen saying things
00:14:30.340and that's that's difficult right like apex was saying the debate would be ideas the debate would
00:14:36.640be why is this like this why is this like that but the thing is the the red pill if you don't
00:14:44.240know what it is you can't debate someone on it right yeah the first question is what do you mean
00:14:49.160by red pill like exactly right okay so when you say the red pill is dead well what do you mean
00:14:54.400by that what do you mean what's your definition of red pill that's what you would have to start
00:14:58.460a debate off you know and it usually ends there it's usually like yeah and then you'll you know
00:15:04.220you'll correct them and be like, hey, it's actually this. Well, and then they'll be like,
00:15:07.660well, this person did this. And you're like, now I'm the janitor cleanup guy for every mistake.
00:15:13.380Like people make mistakes. People get a little bit weird on camera. I understand that. But the
00:15:18.420red pill was made for guys to fix their own problems, not to recruit people to an ideology.
00:15:24.300And speaking of, you know, in terms of Sneeko talking about like how he saved this or he did
00:15:29.140that and everything he converted to he has changed ideologies and lanes more than any other creator
00:15:35.720I've ever seen in my life like if there's anyone that doesn't have yeah yeah if there's anything
00:15:41.380that has any person that has no more like no foundation of like belief or anything he just
00:15:47.340goes with what's popular it's this guy so but like like I said he's a good marketer so I guess
00:15:52.620we'll go with it goldfish brain people you know they got if you don't change it up and reinvent
00:15:56.420yourself every five seconds but um you know i will i want to say one thing about rollo too like in
00:16:02.420going back to that debate because people can criticize him for it but i understand his
00:16:07.780frustration because he got into this and what he does actually saves a lot of dudes lives
00:16:15.300i got a little quick story that i want to get in here if that's all right it's so the when i met
00:16:20.420him for the first time he couldn't stage this all right any better we were walking out of an
00:16:25.460elevators at some event and it was not like a red pill event it was at a um an economics type
00:16:31.220conference right and some lady comes up to him and goes oh hey hey i just wanted to give you this
00:16:37.380and she gives him a little handwritten letter from her son and this woman was in tears
00:16:44.980and she gave him a hug and i said she said you saved my son's life and i just wanted to say
00:16:49.860thank you and i was like holy like this this is real you know and this is real stuff and and so
00:16:59.540to have some internet marketer kind of come on and slam it and crack on them for being old and
00:17:05.220you know what i mean it just be it's like i understand why rollo got frustrated and got a
00:17:11.460little bit off center and maybe looked not exactly the way i would have liked him to look on that
00:17:16.660little exchange you know what i'm saying i get it because he's actually out there experiencing
00:17:23.540you know saving guys lives from unplugging them yeah and then they have this dude come in and
00:17:28.260just be a dick it's kind of like yeah it's like two different types of conversations it's like
00:17:32.340the idealists and the realists so it's like you know sneko the tates like they come in and they're
00:17:38.340talking about what would happen ideally and that's kind of like a surface level conversation but you
00:17:43.940guys are the guys that like ask men what the next step is for them right because the practice
00:17:49.380these guys are looking for actually go ahead sorry go ahead uh well the guys are uh they're
00:17:54.340looking for saviors right they're not looking to to improve you tell a group it's the us versus
00:17:59.300them dynamic you tell a group of people there's nothing wrong with them and everything everything
00:18:04.180wrong with everyone else they're gonna like humans we love to be told we're victims and
00:18:08.980And and that's why that's how politics works. That's how everything works. It's I that's what a lot of these big creators do is that they tell you, hey, there's nothing wrong with you. It's women. It's the left wing. It's the right wing. It's rich people. It's black people. It's Hispanic people. It's this. It's that. It's like everything but you.
00:18:28.520And the red pill asks the question, hey, here are the tools. It's on you. Your happiness is your own problem. And that's not going to be very popular, right? For what it's worth, that's hard to defend. So any red pill debate, if any of you guys are ever going to do red pill content, expect to lose every debate. Not because you're wrong, because you're asking people, hey, can you make yourself happy? You're telling people their happiness is their own problem. And when has that ever resonated with people?
00:18:57.380yeah you're making them do the hardest thing there is which is personal accountability
00:19:01.840maybe not yeah it's harder for hard for a lot of people yeah yeah of admitting and taking
00:19:07.960accountability and the humiliation ritual that creators have to go to because the viewers feel
00:19:13.400like they own you people are sick of the influencer routine saying something that hurts people or
00:19:18.800whatever the apology with the violin the tears the i'm sorry period youtube video where they're
00:19:24.320looking directly into the camera, pressing the record button.