Pearl - January 16, 2025


The CONSEQUENCES Of Avoiding Accountability And DEI Hires ｜ Pearl Daily


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Length

13 minutes

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2,297

Sentence count

188

Harmful content

Misogyny

25

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Toxicity

11

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Hate speech

14

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Summary

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In this episode, we take a look at Stacey Clark, a woman who was caught cheating on a police promotion test and was given a slap on the wrist for it. Why do women get to give a "why" when they do something wrong?

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Let's look at some other DEI hire women failing in positions of power. 1.00
00:00:05.140 Toronto Police Superintendent Stacey Clark was demoted to ranks for a cheating scandal in August of 2024.
00:00:13.400 She was caught giving black constables test answers and other information before promotional opportunities to increase the chances of them moving up the ladder.
00:00:23.440 Clark pled guilty to seven counts of misconduct and was demoted to the rank staff sergeant.
00:00:29.900 In 24 months, she will be able to reapply for the rank of superintendent.
00:00:34.780 Why? Because she's a woman. 1.00
00:00:36.440 I mean, I want you guys to think about this.
00:00:38.420 If a man was giving special treatment to other men, to white men, let's say.
00:00:44.160 Let's say a man decided that he wanted to give help to white men on their test answers so they could get promoted. 0.58
00:00:51.560 How would that go?
00:00:53.440 Do you think he would be able to reapply in 24 months, two years?
00:00:58.900 In emotional and raw testimony, a Toronto Police Superintendent facing discipline apologized for helping constables cheat on a promotional exam.
00:01:09.900 But as John Woodward reports, the hearing also delved into how unfair the hiring process was to black candidates to begin with and how a plan to fix it was canceled without warning.
00:01:19.780 The first part of superintendent Stacey Clark's testimony was an apology for giving six constables questions in advance of a promotional exam.
00:01:27.860 She told the hearing, it was tremendously important for me to take responsibility for what I had done.
00:01:32.860 I know it was not the right path.
00:01:34.520 But the tribunal spent much more time on what Clark called the why.
00:01:37.620 And it came down to a systemic failure to promote black officers.
00:01:41.240 The often benefited white men within the service.
00:01:44.360 Again, why do women get to give a why? 1.00
00:01:47.820 Only when men do something wrong, they just say they did something wrong. 0.63
00:01:51.500 They don't give a reason or an explanation.
00:01:53.920 They're not given the benefit of the doubt.
00:01:55.420 But women can literally help participants cheat on a test and be given a slap on the wrist because of DEI. 1.00
00:02:06.040 Nepotism, there was favoritism and all types of other issues.
00:02:10.400 It's common practice that senior officers have subordinate officers whom they mentor and therefore share interview questions with.
00:02:18.600 The proposed solution that Clark supported and was adopted by Toronto's Police Service Board in 2021, a new procedure that involved providing the questions in advance to everyone.
00:02:28.480 It was based on feedback from 500 Toronto police officers.
00:02:34.380 The Toronto Police Service Board oversees the police, but the tribunal heard even though the board approved the plan, the police service didn't put it into practice.
00:02:43.000 In a report, Professor Wendell Agitay wrote, before its implementation, the TPS made an executive decision without warning to suspend the new process and revert to the original unfair practice that the members identified in the external review.
00:02:56.420 It stands to reason that had the TPS implemented the new promotional process, Superintendent Clark would not have felt the desperate need to flatten the playing field by providing black officers with the interview questions. 0.55
00:03:07.460 It's not clear why the policy was never adopted.
00:03:09.700 Somebody along the way decided that they weren't going to implement all of it.
00:03:15.220 Supporters who arrived on a bus stood by Clark.
00:03:17.840 I think instead of demoting her, they should give her a ward. 1.00
00:03:22.180 Clark became a... 1.00
00:03:23.820 Why are people so stupid? 1.00
00:03:26.800 That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 1.00
00:03:28.340 Fire her! 1.00
00:03:29.600 ...emotional as she described demeaning posts from retired officers and one threat and how it affected her children.
00:03:35.640 But she said she remained loyal to the...
00:03:37.340 Okay, this is the other thing about women. 1.00
00:03:39.100 Okay.
00:03:39.700 We have a tendency to cry about being threatened online, but we also want high-profile position.
00:03:46.780 You do not look...
00:03:47.640 And I get this on Twitter a lot.
00:03:49.900 Whenever I debate with another woman on Twitter, if I debate with a man, he never complains to me about harassment after.
00:03:57.800 We all know that if you go on a debate with somebody that disagrees with you, their followers are going to troll you.
00:04:04.480 Your followers are going to troll them.
00:04:06.500 Neither of us ask for this.
00:04:07.900 This is just how it is.
00:04:09.000 But the ladies have a tendency to want to guilt me into taking videos down or not responding to them. 1.00
00:04:18.160 While having a high-profile account or a public persona, totally fine.
00:04:23.880 You're welcome here.
00:04:25.120 But we don't get high-profile positions without criticism.
00:04:29.260 You don't get to be on the internet, make this amazing internet money without consequences.
00:04:34.780 There's like 20 hit pieces of me on the internet.
00:04:37.300 I don't cry about it.
00:04:38.420 I just accept that's part of being here.
00:04:41.060 I like conservative media.
00:04:42.740 I like it.
00:04:43.260 I've always loved it.
00:04:44.260 I'm very thankful you guys allow me to be here.
00:04:47.420 You will not catch me complaining, crying.
00:04:50.500 And that's the same thing she's doing here.
00:04:52.200 She's complaining about getting a high-profile position and dealing with criticism and people online making threats.
00:05:00.860 Do you think Trump cries at night because he's threatened?
00:05:03.980 That man dodged a bullet and stood right up.
00:05:06.320 You don't get both.
00:05:07.060 You get one or the other.
00:05:08.020 Life is about choices and trade-offs.
00:05:09.700 Systemic change saying, I love my job.
00:05:12.780 I love what I do.
00:05:13.960 Some may say foolishly, but I still believe we can do what we say we are going to do.
00:05:18.020 The decision whether she'll have the rank to be in a position to help will be up to the tribunal.
00:05:22.700 John Woodward, CTV News.
00:05:24.140 Okay.
00:05:24.700 Now, in November of 2024, a New Zealand warship, captioned by a British woman, sank because it was left on autopilot.
00:05:35.000 The $48 million ship smashed into a coral reef in the South Pacific and was the first ship from New Zealand to sink since World War II.
00:05:46.140 Yvonne Gray, the ship's captain, was championed as the first LGBTQ woman from New Zealand to captain a ship.
00:05:54.480 The New Zealand government has repeatedly denied that the captain's gender played a role in the sinking of the ship.
00:06:01.460 So what frustrates me, again, what they will say is that, no, it's not DEI.
00:06:06.460 They deserve to be there.
00:06:07.580 Well, how do we know?
00:06:08.920 There's too much backlash for not going to the DEI way to expect that, you know, what about the lesbian women that are there because they deserve it? 1.00
00:06:19.620 Now, you question things because of all the people they force into roles that are not meant to be there.
00:06:26.020 Melbourne Truckee has copped a spray from New Zealand's defence minister for comments he made on social media.
00:06:35.940 The minister held a press conference this afternoon and called out the online hate and misogyny levelled at the captain of a Navy ship, which ran aground in Samoa.
00:06:45.260 With her Navy vessel stuck on a reef in Samoa, Commander Yvonne Gray made the call to abandon.
00:06:52.300 You know, there are just some positions I am not comfortable.
00:06:58.180 Not all, not all, not all.
00:06:59.920 If I see a woman that is good, if we're going to, I would prefer a guy. 1.00
00:07:05.500 I would prefer it because I think that's a very high stress job and high stakes.
00:07:10.220 But if you're going to have a woman there, I expect her to be there because she deserves it. 0.99
00:07:15.440 And I want to see a badass, take no shit looking woman. 1.00
00:07:20.140 But, you know, I see women that just look like DEI hires. 1.00
00:07:24.560 She just doesn't look like a badass to me. 1.00
00:07:26.820 I mean, I...
00:07:28.220 Soon after, the boat caught fire and sunk.
00:07:31.880 The life or death decision has been widely commended, but has also led to a torrent of misogyny and homophobia online.
00:07:40.580 I'm appalled to see the comments online from these armchair admirals.
00:07:45.260 People who will never have to make decisions which mean life or death for their subordinates.
00:07:50.740 This is Judith Collins, New Zealand's first female defence minister.
00:07:54.920 Today...
00:07:55.560 Women do not understand violence like men do. 1.00
00:07:58.860 You know, men know from a young age, you could put in the chat, what age did you realize that if you said some BS, you would get beaten up? 0.95
00:08:09.520 That if you messed with the wrong, if you pissed off the wrong guy, he was going to bash your face in.
00:08:16.960 Men know this.
00:08:17.780 But we do not...
00:08:20.040 We are not the same.
00:08:21.580 Because generally speaking, although Gen Z is a lot more equal rights, equal left, equal left, equal lefts than the boomers, I'll tell you that. 1.00
00:08:30.320 But we...
00:08:31.540 I have a hard time with women in military positions. 1.00
00:08:34.360 Again, if they deserve to be there, sure.
00:08:37.380 But what I'm seeing is women oftentimes that don't. 1.00
00:08:42.600 And they just do not understand violence the way that men do.
00:08:45.560 Again, I have an interesting point of view because I played sports and I would play basketball.
00:08:51.340 I've played basketball with men.
00:08:52.980 But I always knew that I cannot charge to the basket like I do with women. 1.00
00:08:58.840 Because I would get my shit rocked. 1.00
00:09:01.120 I would... 1.00
00:09:01.540 No, can't do it.
00:09:03.360 It's like I'm not breaking my...
00:09:05.400 Getting my nose broke over this.
00:09:06.860 I'm not doing it.
00:09:07.560 And I'm pretty strong for a woman.
00:09:10.500 But in general, we just...
00:09:12.560 We don't understand violence.
00:09:14.260 So I have a hard time rectifying with women in charge of men that do and have from a young age. 1.00
00:09:23.520 The one thing that we already know did not cause it is the gender... 0.72
00:09:28.560 Oh, you guys said five?
00:09:29.940 Really?
00:09:30.860 That young?
00:09:31.840 I figured it'd be like 12.
00:09:33.760 I have nine, five, six, eight.
00:09:36.000 And I'm going to read the chat on the website in a second.
00:09:38.540 Wow.
00:09:39.480 I totally thought it'd be like 10 to 12.
00:09:42.500 Of the ship's captain.
00:09:44.000 And she went further, tracking one down.
00:09:46.640 I took it upon myself to look up the details of one of the keyboard warriors or the chair admirals,
00:09:54.180 as we now refer to them in my team.
00:09:56.280 He's from Melbourne in Australia, commenting in a very negative way on our...
00:10:02.820 And see, this is what we have a tendency to do.
00:10:06.420 Police speech.
00:10:07.900 If you ever make...
00:10:08.820 It's the same reason I'm demonetized right now.
00:10:11.540 Because if I notice any of these things, they demonetize me.
00:10:15.360 They censor me.
00:10:16.380 They ban me.
00:10:16.980 I've had eight TikTok accounts banned.
00:10:21.340 And again, that's why I hate to rag on you.
00:10:24.000 I hate to bring this up all the time.
00:10:26.420 But that's why I keep pointing you guys to the website.
00:10:28.740 Because, you know, we need 3,500 people on there or one yearly membership show in order to keep the lights on.
00:10:36.500 Because, you know, I don't know if she's going to dox the guy now.
00:10:39.720 But this is what...
00:10:40.980 When women... 1.00
00:10:41.900 When our reputation is on the line, you know, historically, in order to survive, our reputation was really important.
00:10:49.720 So when our reputation is on the line, that's when women go to extreme lengths with family court, false accusations, and policing speech. 1.00
00:10:58.120 It's in order to save our reputation.
00:11:01.060 That's why a lot of the false rape accusations, the woman was just cheating on her boyfriend, got found out. 1.00
00:11:07.280 What are her options?
00:11:09.060 This woman, we're starting... 0.90
00:11:10.780 It's starting to be revealed that we're not really equipped.
00:11:13.340 And a lot of us are being given jobs we don't deserve.
00:11:16.860 And when that starts to get revealed, the ladies, they get mad. 1.00
00:11:20.240 Now they have to police the speech.
00:11:21.720 It's the same reason why, you know, Candace got mad last show. 1.00
00:11:25.360 Because I revealed that, hey, most of us ladies are here because we're giving an enormous advantage on social media. 1.00
00:11:32.500 This isn't the most difficult job in the world.
00:11:35.060 And neither of us would be here if we weren't women with men's opinions, with more right-leaning conservative opinions.
00:11:43.320 It just wouldn't happen.
00:11:44.600 We're not that special, amazing, and awesome.
00:11:46.540 And I say this for me too, right?
00:11:48.220 That's when they start to police speech.
00:11:50.180 That's when they start to lie.
00:11:51.460 That's when the lawsuits start to come out, et cetera, et cetera.
00:11:55.360 New Zealand Navy, and particularly the women.
00:11:58.480 I looked to see what else I could find about him.
00:12:00.920 Well, he is someone who drives something.
00:12:03.020 He drives a truck.
00:12:04.460 And I think that he should keep his comments to people who drive trucks rather than to people who drive ships.
00:12:11.000 Finishing off the salvo by saying she won't stop calling out these kinds of comments.
00:12:16.500 Efforts to clean up the shipwreck are ongoing.
00:12:18.800 Yeah, and a ship just sank.
00:12:22.840 Think about how serious that is.
00:12:25.580 People's lives are on the line.
00:12:28.040 And she is worried about the reputation of the captain.
00:12:32.240 She's worried about the comments section.
00:12:34.460 Because again, it's being revealed, hey, there's some flaw in the system.
00:12:38.040 Again, I have no problem if you show me a woman that can do the exact job that a man can do. 1.00
00:12:45.200 If she can do a better job than a man does it.
00:12:47.920 I have no problem with her getting the position.
00:12:50.420 I really don't.
00:12:51.300 The problem I have is when we're being given special handouts and everyone has to pretend they're not what they are.
00:12:59.280 And by the way, guys, we are going to do a call-in show at the end of this where you can call in and say if you've ever been discriminated against because of your gender, your race.
00:13:10.020 And I want to know what happened and how it affected the department.
00:13:13.980 But that's in a little bit.
00:13:15.400 Court of Inquiry has been called to discuss the real cause of the crash.
00:13:20.140 Tallulah Thompson for 10 News First.
00:13:22.140 So, again, these are all women in powerful positions that failed to meet the expectations put upon them. 0.96