Pearl - The Insanity Defense Women Use To Escape Accountability

00:00:00.560 So you don't believe in postpartum psychosis?

00:00:03.900 But I mean, so, but ultimately then, we do agree.

00:00:06.780 I don't think mental disease is an excuse.

00:00:09.040 The law might say that it is, but I would personally say no.

00:00:12.680 So your problem ultimately is, you don't believe there should be any not guilty by reason of insanity in any state. 0.85

00:00:18.980 I think when you murder three children, you should be put to death no matter the reason.

00:00:23.860 You can do things that appear like planning and not be responsible for them. 0.98

00:00:29.320 so you can essentially plan it and then just say you did it that's crazy so i totally agree that

00:00:35.560 lindsay clancy absolutely did it my entire argument is the burden is on the commonwealth

00:00:41.720 to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that her mental disease or defect did not impact her ability at

00:00:47.880 all to see right from wrong and impact her ability to conform her conduct to the law and considering

00:00:53.800 the burdens on the prosecution it's up to them to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt and i don't

00:01:00.520 think she did and i think 11 jurors agreed with me that she didn't well if we want to argue that

00:01:06.680 a woman didn't do a very good job you're not going to have any disagreements with me there 0.99

00:01:11.000 well the woman prosecutors didn't do a good job they didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt 0.65

00:01:15.960 the woman's up an easy case that doesn't surprise me well i will say a better prosecutor could have

00:01:23.000 had better arguments there so i mean i've heard all sorts of arguments why she should and the guy 0.97

00:01:27.480 did a good job i'm guessing according to you right yeah so we agree that's great no no but she should

00:01:32.920 not be convicted though you think she should be convicted it's according to me yeah but i'm not

00:01:37.960 in the i have no i can't do anything about it but yeah but i mean so but ultimately then we do agree

00:01:45.880 i don't think mental disease and is an excuse the law might say that it is but i would personally

00:01:51.240 say no so your problem ultimately is you don't believe there should be any not guilty by reason

00:01:56.120 of insanity in any state i think when you murder three children you should be put to death no

00:02:01.880 matter the reason you did it so you don't believe in postpartum psychosis it may be real but i don't 0.99

00:02:09.480 care i think that dogs that bite too much need to be put down when you kill three kids for whatever 0.94

00:02:15.320 reason uh you should go be put to death so yeah i just want to ask something so you think she did 0.72

00:02:21.320 it but for reason of insanity you think she's not she was not guilty because of insanity specifically 0.99

00:02:26.760 that the commonwealth did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that her mental disease or

00:02:31.720 defect did not impact her ability to see right from wrong and to conduct her conduct the

00:02:37.880 requirements of the law so by that standard and that's why the juror notes were saying there's

00:02:43.160 one juror who's refusing to like abide by the reasonable doubt standard so clearly that meant

00:02:50.280 the other 11 jurors they're seeing this as okay there's too much reasonable doubt to commit the

00:02:55.640 one juror did not well for me you don't think because she sent him to get food that doesn't

00:03:01.400 prove anything no why not because i think in psychosis you can do things that appear like

00:03:07.400 planning your base state can still be psychotic but like you can be acting from a psychotic idea

00:03:14.200 but your actions can appear normal to the outside there's many different versions of psychosis

00:03:19.160 sounds like an interesting workaround but it's a true workaround i'm sure there's a legal ease

00:03:25.960 that you can make it so you can do things that appear like planning and not be responsible for

00:03:32.680 them so you can essentially plan it and then just say you did it and here's the thing guess what it's

00:03:38.280 crazy there is a man by the name by the way psychosis can involve behaviors that look like

00:03:43.000 planned or normal to other people wow but then then they just bring in some expert to say whatever

00:03:48.600 they want well here's one that i don't know what you'll say to this but there's a case in iowa

00:03:53.400 matthew schleier he planned to kill his five-year-old son and he did it he planned it for a

00:03:59.240 week he was originally going to use knives changed his mind strangled him and he got not guilty about

00:04:05.000 reason of insanity as a man oh that's terrible i disagree with that so the entire thing here is

00:04:12.760 though you don't even think there should ever be any postpartum psychosis or not guilty about

00:04:16.920 reasoning i look at when you kill a child i think there's nothing more evil than killing the innocent

00:04:23.400 for whatever reason when you kill a kid no put to death that's it i mean no no if ands or buts

00:04:30.600 that's a child that's somebody that's innocent especially when you talk to kids like they're so

00:04:35.320 trusting and the fact that a parent um the person they trust more than anyone in the world took away

00:04:42.360 like that innocent spirit that's terrible so i i think i i fear that i live in a society that

00:04:49.720 they're gonna give reasons that's okay even if it's insanity i think that's scary so i do agree

00:04:55.240 it's an awful awful thing that happened and i do agree not guilty by reason of insanity should be

00:05:00.280 a rare plea it shouldn't work very often but in rare cases and i think this is a rare case what

00:05:05.800 would what would be the case this one that yeah that your mental disease or defect impaired

00:05:11.640 your ability to conform your conduct to the requirements of the law but that but a quarter

00:05:15.640 of women are on ssris so by that precedent then a quarter of women could say they had a mental

00:05:20.680 defect see they would have to prove that would cause some form of psychosis and i agree just

00:05:25.720 because you're on ssris does not equal you're going to be it seems like that would be pretty

00:05:30.680 easy if you could plan it and then just say you didn't and then then blame it on your mental

00:05:35.880 i agree that can be a tricky thing but more than one thing can be true at the same time so one

00:05:40.760 can be not guilty about reason of insanity and at the same time other people may try to use that

00:05:46.280 and like use it as an excuse but it doesn't mean the time it's true is no longer true it just means

00:05:51.080 those other people are trying to twist and distort and manipulate to avoid accountability i mean i

00:05:55.480 can even you know say and maybe agree that there are cases where people do crazy things because

00:06:01.240 they are insane however they still need to be put down no but i don't i don't give a 0.99

00:06:07.240 a shit about the reason you kill a kid you you should be put to death publicly executed i mean 1.00

00:06:12.360 i think accountability for her should be the mental institution and i don't agree that she 1.00

00:06:16.840 should be out anytime soon she should be there for years just like andrea yates of course you think

00:06:22.120 that because you're not the one in the mental institution with her so by enabling these

00:06:26.280 behaviors people that are the ones that are going to suffer are the people that go to the mental

00:06:30.120 institution really wanting to get better and now they have to deal with a child murderer like it's

00:06:34.360 always these kind of arguments are always great when you don't have to deal with it so the people

00:06:39.080 that are going to have to deal with it are the people in the mental institution that have good

00:06:42.280 intentions the thing is i don't necessarily think she's a danger now but that should be a version

00:06:47.480 of her accountability is being in that mental institution she should not be out i think that's

00:06:52.040 not fair for her to be out but she should be there i mean andrea yates every year she refuses her 0.89

00:06:57.320 equivalent of parole from the mental hospital and i think that's the right thing to do she drowned 0.99

00:07:01.560 five of her kids in the bathtub and so she's in the mental institution she's been there for years 0.91

00:07:05.960 and she refuses to leave and i think that's correct because she did take the life of five

00:07:10.120 of her kids and yeah she got not guilty by reason of insanity but she's where she belongs and i

00:07:15.240 think that's where lindsey clancy belongs too i would say that they belong in the electrical there

00:07:20.520 that yeah you don't agree and not guilty by reason of insanity i don't agree with it no

00:07:25.720 so once you kill once you once you don't agree with the law i don't agree with the law i don't

00:07:31.800 agree that she's not guilty i think she did it i also don't think she's insane i think she planned

00:07:36.920 it but i i think people can make up terms and whatever to manipulate it some way so people can

00:07:44.200 try to manipulate anything but like brian was saying earlier there were so many points of

00:07:48.280 failure in this case like in the beginning she tried to go for a generalized anxiety right she

00:07:53.560 She had worry about going back to work.

00:07:55.080 And then as she got help, she got worse and worse and worse and worse.

00:07:59.360 And all these professionals were trying to help her, but they weren't doing it successfully.

00:08:03.660 What would have been a successful way?

00:08:05.740 Well, in this case, there were two huge points of failure. 0.98

00:08:09.900 Women and infant hospitals.

00:08:11.380 She was lying to doctors, right? 0.90

00:08:12.800 She withheld information that she had thought of harming the kids. 0.99

00:08:15.860 Why don't we call that lying? 0.83

00:08:17.760 Because she could have been acting from psychosis in that too.

00:08:21.220 we always use these words to soften stuff i just don't understand it they're not at 100 right but

00:08:27.860 you can't expect doctors to know if you're lying to them but what i do it's a clancy failure is

00:08:33.380 to ask better questions to get better answers i do expect doctors to be able to do that because

00:08:37.620 when you're dealing with anyone who's mentally ill they're not at 100 you need to ask better

00:08:42.180 questions to pull information out of liars no out of people that are suffering out of people 0.85

00:08:47.140 they're struggling you said you should she got worse after she got started getting help like

00:08:51.700 what happened there how come she got she was in all these meds and they didn't diagnose her

00:08:55.860 as postpartum depression and postpartum or postpartum so how do you know she wasn't lying

00:09:00.260 well here's the thing some people are saying well that's proof that she didn't have it and i would

00:09:03.540 say it's just as likely that they all missed it considering she kept on getting worse so but how

00:09:08.900 do you know they missed it and she wasn't lying because if you look at the actual actions that

00:09:13.780 she did she was on these ssris you're not supposed to give ssris to people that are bipolar without

00:09:19.140 a mood stabilizer or anti-psychotic but they're easy but they're easy to get like these it's not

00:09:24.420 the point whether they're easy to get or not they're just giving her things that were not good

00:09:27.300 for her so over time right but she's lying to them so they don't have all the information

00:09:31.860 withholding i wouldn't necessarily call it an outright lie there's one thing she withheld

00:09:35.860 with that the thoughts of harming the kids i withheld that i cheated did i not lie i mean come

00:09:39.700 Come on, get out of here.

00:09:41.360 You can consider it a lie of admission,

00:09:43.720 but with mental health-

00:09:44.720 Yeah, it's a lie.

00:09:46.000 Do you not think that mental health

00:09:47.400 could make people not a 100% version of themself? 0.80

00:09:50.680 I'm not convinced that she had mental health issues.

00:09:53.420 At all?

00:09:54.420 No.

00:09:55.260 So all of her suicidal ideation, that's nothing?

00:09:57.820 I'm not convinced.

00:09:59.240 So she's making it up?

00:10:00.080 I'm not sure, but I'm not convinced.

00:10:02.100 I think she very well could have made it up.

00:10:05.260 So the whole thing is fake that you think?

00:10:06.940 She just thinks the entire thing is fake?

00:10:08.800 The diary entries where she's talking about her suffering don't mean anything. 1.00

00:10:11.720 I don't know or not know, but I know that women can be very manipulative, 0.98

00:10:16.040 and I think it's possible she could have planned it, but I can't say for certain. 0.99

00:10:20.120 However, I can say for certain that she did admit to killing her kids,

00:10:23.580 so she should receive the electrical chair.

00:10:27.200 I don't agree with the other person. 0.82

00:10:28.440 I don't think it's helpful to women when we commit a crime to use kid gloves, 0.94

00:10:33.080 and I would really encourage men to stop doing that because it enables the behavior. 0.65

00:10:38.040 So I think it's harmful to women to give us all of these, you know, you didn't really do it, it's the mental health, it's whatever. 0.98

00:10:44.980 I think two plus two equals four. 0.97

00:10:46.740 You killed your kids, you go to life in prison. 0.93

00:10:49.140 Or I would say electrical chair, but I'll even compromise and say life in prison. 0.81

00:10:52.920 See, what you are considering kid gloves, though, is really just your problem with Massachusetts law.

00:10:58.600 Like, if you have a problem with Massachusetts law, that's a different story.

00:11:02.000 That's true.

00:11:02.420 Their law is you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was absolutely sane at the time of the killing.

00:11:08.440 It doesn't matter what her mental state is now, only at the time of the killing.

00:11:11.460 Well, and it's kind of society in general because it's not just Massachusetts law. 0.64

00:11:17.040 Like women receive less sentencing time for the same crime as men. 0.87

00:11:20.560 No, I agree with that.

00:11:21.060 And they've done studies.

00:11:22.260 I have four or five different studies of men and women, the sentencing time for men versus women charged with a similar crime like this one.

00:11:30.940 and women are far more likely to get off than men are.

00:11:34.740 Now, I agree with that. 0.94

00:11:35.940 I'm for law and order though too.

00:11:37.600 And law and order in this case

00:11:39.540 is following Massachusetts law.

00:11:41.600 Massachusetts law says,

00:11:42.840 unless they've proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt

00:11:46.240 and Buckingham and Sprague,

00:11:47.700 the two prosecutors for the Commonwealth,

00:11:49.380 they just didn't do it. 0.56

00:11:50.580 Yeah, she probably did a bad job.

00:11:52.120 I'm not, we're not gonna disagree there.

00:11:54.040 So they did a bad job.

00:11:55.460 And I think she should get not guilty

00:11:57.240 about reasons of insanity. 1.00

00:11:58.320 And now that's not an excuse for other women 1.00

00:12:00.020 go out and kill the kids i saw there was already probably a copycat murder in illinois this woman 0.85

00:12:05.300 said that she hung her toddler son and called him the devil or the antichrist i mean that's not right 0.99

00:12:11.700 that person should probably be guilty with women if you give an inch they take a mile 0.99

00:12:16.740 and so if there's no enforcement it's the same reason we had to kick out that girl earlier 1.00

00:12:21.460 because because literally if we if we don't do that uh then they're just going to keep doing it

00:12:25.540 and i would say that's true i and i would say for this case um if you give an inch and you say it's

00:12:31.940 reason of insanity the medical system failed or blah blah blah blah blah um it's just gonna get

00:12:37.620 worse so i really hope that doesn't happen i think more than one thing can be true at the same time

00:12:42.500 i think yes people will try to twist and distort it so you think only one thing is true yeah i think

00:12:46.340 the truth i think the truth is simple and people that say um the truth is the truth and i i think

00:12:52.340 people that say things which i think you're where you're going they're just trying to confuse you

00:12:56.740 all right you guys have made your points if we could get into closing statements now unless you

00:13:00.900 have something to introduce no i mean i agree that she did it and i agree patrick clancy did not do

00:13:07.860 i actually defend patrick i think see i'm pretty nuanced in this in the fact because more than one

00:13:12.420 thing can be true at the same time i think lindsey did it and i think all these conspiracies about

00:13:16.420 patrick are completely out of hand and i think people are giving him the least charitable

00:13:20.980 interpretation of everything he says and does. And I actually agree with your previous arguments

00:13:25.420 about trauma, brain, et cetera, not remembering exactly correctly. Totally agree with those

00:13:29.980 things. But just in terms of Massachusetts law, I don't think they approved it beyond a reasonable

00:13:34.900 doubt. And she should have gotten not guilty by reason of insanity. And she should have gone to

00:13:39.000 the mental hospital. I would like to encourage the men out there to be less nuanced. And I would

00:13:44.460 like to encourage the men out there to understand that these women know what they're doing and stop 1.00

00:13:49.860 giving excuses because these women are going out and torturing us in society. So I beg you guys, 0.59

00:13:56.380 you guys are the only ones that can do it. This is too simplistic, right? I think there can be bad

00:14:00.600 men and there can be bad women. And I don't think that applying the law in this case is going to

00:14:06.460 make it a free for all that all of a sudden- There's just men that are weak to women and

00:14:10.080 believe women and men that don't. Each case needs to be taken individually, right? Sometimes women

00:14:14.900 lie, sometimes they don't. Sometimes men lie, sometimes men don't. They lie pretty much all 0.56

00:14:19.600 the time. But you can say the same thing about men. I can't. No. Men don't lie? Men tend to be

00:14:25.420 honest, yeah. That's just a massive generalization, though. I do generalize. There could be narcissistic

00:14:31.020 people, men and women both, right? Right. Then why don't men have the same narcissistic social

00:14:37.300 media habit that women do when most women have that? Don't they? Don't they all? No. What's your 0.98

00:14:42.920 argument that they don't. Women are the ones that create content. Men don't create content. 1.00

00:14:47.560 I don't. We can talk about it. I mean, it's kind of disingenuous to say, like, it's the same when

00:14:52.380 we know it's not. Obviously, if we're going to do this whole day, just say there's an exception,

00:14:56.600 there's an exception. Sure, there's exceptions. But in general, women are the ones that dominate

00:15:01.820 social media, especially Instagram and TikTok, which are highly based on beauty. And it's very 1.00

00:15:06.280 women are the ones that wear a pound of makeup. We get plastic surgery. We do all that. We do 1.00

00:15:09.740 very narcissistic things men's actions are not the same what's the fact check on how many men

00:15:14.040 are social media creators you know they had a quarter create more social media content is too

00:15:19.180 brought to verify look i'm in the social media business i could tell you like it's it's very

00:15:23.940 there's a lot of female domination so i'm the fact check here but it is there is and i don't 0.91

00:15:28.720 know what the percentage what percent of gen z what percent of gen z women are on tip what percent 0.96

00:15:33.940 of gen z women create content on tiktok it'll pop up i think there's a fair amount of men

00:15:39.000 creating content too women dominate social media there you go 64 to 78 so i knew it's not that close

00:15:45.960 all right so thank you so much guys that was a great debate

Pearl - September 14, 2026

The Insanity Defense Women Use To Escape Accountability

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