Pearl - March 07, 2026


The Mog King Reigns


Episode Stats

Length

20 minutes

Words per Minute

175.79047

Word Count

3,649

Sentence Count

70

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

10


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Transcript

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00:00:00.000 I might argue that I'm mogging you right now.
00:00:03.260 Go for it.
00:00:04.500 Him never having sex with a woman.
00:00:06.840 You were trying to make him look bad.
00:00:08.460 All I said to you was, do you think you'd be less intense in that if you just got laid?
00:00:12.980 I was doing a bit of jester maxing.
00:00:15.080 You were in a van singing along to Heil Hitler.
00:00:18.020 Do you regret doing that?
00:00:19.820 Every so often, there's a trend or a craze which makes many reasonable people want to turn off the internet,
00:00:25.340 possibly forever, and live in a deserted barn.
00:00:29.040 And my cortisol certainly spiked.
00:00:32.160 What I read very recently about looks maxing, it's the catch-all term for a male-only regimen of intensive grooming for the purposes of maximizing, in their view, physical attractiveness.
00:00:43.920 Measures may include fillers, facial implants, tongue exercises, or even smashing in your own face, breaking bones to make it look more chiseled.
00:00:53.100 Well, Brayden Peters, better known as clavicular, is the world-leading looks maxer.
00:00:59.040 he was recently profiled in the new york times no less and he joins me now clavicular welcome
00:01:04.480 to uncensored thanks for having me pierce did you like me called brayden uh cavicular clavicular
00:01:10.560 what do i call you uh i usually just go by clav if you want to keep it chill clav let's keep it
00:01:15.040 chill um so i want to start with a clip this is you talking to andrew tate actually about the
00:01:20.640 prospect of being interviewed by me do you have any advice for clav on faces piers morgan
00:01:24.800 Now, Claib, what I found kind of a bit mystifying
00:01:54.500 about that was a that you would be a bit panicky about being interviewed by me because you seem a
00:01:59.620 competent young man and the second that you take any advice from andrew tate because by definition
00:02:05.060 of what he does and the way he conducts himself interviews with him are always quite full-on
00:02:11.060 quite confrontational and so on i'm struggling having researched you and your life and what you
00:02:18.020 built for yourself i don't really see that you're the same kind of character and we're going to come
00:02:22.340 to the night that you had with him and nick puentes and his other guys but you've been put
00:02:27.300 positioned with them all as a kind of right-wing headbanger online and so on i'm not entirely sure
00:02:33.380 that's who you are so we'll come to why that's happened but why why were you slightly apprehensive
00:02:39.700 about doing this well you know it's just like he said i think you've run a lot of hit pieces on
00:02:45.540 people um you know i don't think your production team is fully honest about you know sort of why
00:02:51.700 you want to do these interviews uh and i think you like to catch yeah he's done that to me people
00:02:57.700 you know kind of off guard and make them look bad but um you know i don't think you're going
00:03:02.820 to be as hostile towards me because it's like you said i'm really not a political figure
00:03:07.220 um you know this is kind of something new that we're discussing we're discussing
00:03:11.300 something that's more along the lines of self-improvement it's kind of like a new
00:03:14.660 philosophy um i haven't really seen anywhere on the internet before yeah i mean look i in in
00:03:20.420 relation to what you just said about what i do i would take issue with that as i would with all
00:03:25.540 the people i suppose you're referring to because i don't set out to be overtly confrontational i
00:03:31.780 certainly don't set out to gotcha uh these people whether it's andrew tate nick quentes or whatever
00:03:36.740 what i tend to do is when they're people who deliberately say inflammatory things
00:03:42.980 um i tend to put those comments back to them we do our research the production team
00:03:49.460 that you've slightly maligned there we'll do a very yeah but come on pierce it's not a fair
00:03:53.940 interview because you're you're like looking for it's not fun having a conversation with someone
00:03:59.060 who goes in bad faith and they're just looking to take every single bad thing you've ever said and
00:04:05.300 like put it to your face it's like why are you hesitant to do that when we'll go through hours
00:04:10.980 and hours of footage trying to find the most controversial thing you said like what's the i'm
00:04:15.380 like incredible incredible thorough professional job and i will put back to them their own words
00:04:21.780 now i will then challenge them about why they said it the context in which they said it do they mean
00:04:28.260 it do they really hold these inflammatory views or they just winding people up and so on but that
00:04:35.300 is the job of a journalist that's where you and i are different people we're different animals i'm
00:04:39.380 I'm a different animal to Fuentes and Tate and the others.
00:04:42.480 They're kind of influencers stroke commentators.
00:04:46.400 And you're in that category, I guess, without much of the commentary.
00:04:50.200 You're a different kind of person.
00:04:51.780 But my job, when I interview people like you, is just to get to the bottom of who you are,
00:04:56.800 what you stand for, stuff you've done, stuff you've said.
00:05:00.020 Why would you automatically assume that is a kind of gotcha mechanism?
00:05:05.220 Well, I just assume that because that's kind of, you know, historically what I've seen.
00:05:09.380 right that's just based off my own experiences so you've watched my interviews and think i try
00:05:14.080 and trap people pierce come on we all know that's what you do for a living i think so i think you
00:05:20.940 deliberately try to make people look bad usually people on like sort of the fringe of the right
00:05:26.720 wing but like i said before um as long as you sort of haven't you know automatically aligned
00:05:32.420 me there um you know maybe we'll be able to have a good interview that's not you know just you
00:05:38.200 looking for gotcha clips no i listen i've got no desire to just look for a gotcha clip i can
00:05:43.320 promise you that uh i don't think i said that with other people yeah i i don't think challenging
00:05:48.640 people on what's come out of their own mouths is ever oh my god gas he gaslights just like women
00:05:54.980 you're talking about um they can get quite lively those interviews because people tend to
00:06:01.060 not be challenged like that in the world that you swim in it's rare that people like nick
00:06:07.200 Buentes or Andrew Tate or others like that, Sneeko and others, that they get directly
00:06:12.280 challenged about what they've said and they find it a little bit unusual and sometimes
00:06:17.820 a bit unsettling.
00:06:19.400 But the clips that go out, I often think, I see the reaction to them.
00:06:23.360 I'm like, really?
00:06:23.800 You think that I just sit here and I just want to trap people when all I'm doing is
00:06:30.080 repeating back to them what they've said?
00:06:32.160 I don't think that's a trap.
00:06:33.240 that's just holding people accountable for their own outpourings right which is like in your case
00:06:39.240 this is why i'm slightly mystified why you get boxed in with these guys because i don't see
00:06:44.240 much of a track record of you saying inflammatory right-wing things yeah i'd agree with you there
00:06:50.180 um i would say sort of people don't really know how to handle my ideology so they want to figure
00:06:57.040 out which political camp i'm a part of so desperately so there's kind of a struggle to
00:07:01.820 loop me into specific groups. But it's like I always say, politics are jester. It's not something
00:07:07.840 that I want to involve myself in. It's not something I want to talk about because I just
00:07:13.220 simply don't care. I simply don't care. My main pursuit is that of aesthetics and improving my
00:07:21.180 looks to the maximum degree, using every single mechanism available to me. So the fact that that's
00:07:28.140 become a political phenomenon just really doesn't make sense to me at all well they're bad because
00:07:34.780 he's doing what women do women use every mechanism to look better like makeup bbls and now when a man
00:07:41.220 does it women don't like it when our game is played on ourselves it's like when men start
00:07:45.740 taking thirst traps women get mad right because they don't like it because then that gives men
00:07:50.160 power they don't like when men have multiple women even when women have multiple men because
00:07:55.600 that gives the men power like women don't like it when their game is played back done pretty much
00:08:01.100 everything in terms of aesthetics to make yourself look perfect right this is your ambition um i've
00:08:08.420 done absolutely nothing i don't even moisturize my face i've never had any plastic surgery never
00:08:15.520 had any botox never taken any we can tell we can tell pierce drugs nothing this is me the way god
00:08:24.140 intended do you think when you look at the pair of us that you are more aesthetically appealing
00:08:30.120 than me um i don't really think it's necessary or beneficial to anyone to sort of you know do
00:08:38.020 some comparison um you know in our looks level because i was like he's kind of holding back in
00:08:44.960 this interview well most of it can be attributed to self-improvement there is a big genetic role
00:08:50.040 So, you know, my entire ideology is more so about improving, not really about comparison too much.
00:08:58.340 But my argument about that, just generally about the whole self-improvement boom of the last 20 years, is a lot of people that go down that path end up looking worse than they did to start with.
00:09:10.540 And actually, the best way to look good is not to go down the path of relentless self-improvement, to trust what you were given by the good Lord, and to avoid doing too much to yourself.
00:09:24.860 I see so many people, particularly in entertainment, who've just ruined themselves, ruined their faces in the pursuit of what they perceive to be aesthetic perfection.
00:09:35.160 Well, that's because they don't know what they're doing. A lot of them are opting to go with things like filler and Botox, which can, like you said, lead to these botch jobs. You look at guys like Zac Efron, who have tons of filler in their face and it starts to migrate. It's just not a look that anyone should be pursuing. But looks maxing can be as simple as losing weight, right?
00:09:58.040 So even going on a diet, which I'm sure is something that you've done previously, is part of looks matching.
00:10:04.600 It's not just these super intensive plastic surgeries or these cosmetic procedures.
00:10:10.420 It's just anything that's going to improve your looks.
00:10:14.180 Well, I've never been on a diet, one.
00:10:16.860 Secondly, I have recently lost five kilograms because I managed to break my femur and have a hip replacement.
00:10:25.640 and so i've not been drinking and i've been eating quite healthily and it's amazing the
00:10:30.860 weight just drops off so i'm somebody who likes to drink he said that's a diet it's not a diet
00:10:36.240 it's an enforced regime that's come about through an injury right so a diet is a that's a diet is a
00:10:43.240 voluntary that's literally a diet well no it's not because a diet here's absolutely where's
00:10:49.340 makeup i've been i've been in their makeup room they make you look really good i miss it i miss
00:10:53.560 i wish i still had a makeup artist even though i'd only get it when i was on their show but
00:10:58.520 i miss it the voluntary regime you go into for no other reason than you want to lose weight i
00:11:05.000 went into an involuntary regime forced upon me by circumstance of a fracture it doesn't matter how
00:11:11.160 it's forced upon you well any sort of deviation voluntary no it doesn't matter if it's voluntary
00:11:16.520 or not it's a deviation from your normal routine right whether or not you're forced to be in a
00:11:22.440 caloric deficit or not it's still a diet you know like and you know regardless it doesn't really
00:11:27.800 matter you've done a calorie deficit before that can be something that's considered looks maxing so
00:11:33.960 by definition pierce you are a looks maxer you're just someone who is kind of on the surface level
00:11:39.400 of it right i'm saying that in such a competitive dating market you might need to take it a step
00:11:44.440 further and sort of maybe utilize some peptides maybe get a little bit leaner than um you know
00:11:51.560 your current body fat percentage that that's kind of all i'm saying right but i mean i'm i might
00:11:57.000 argue that i'm mogging you right now okay well you know that's a that's a fair perspective
00:12:06.520 for those who don't know what i just said what is what does mocking mean uh basically outshining
00:12:11.400 someone looking better than them and there's different types of mugs right there's uh status
00:12:16.520 mugs there's you know money mugs so you know you might have me in those categories but i think we
00:12:22.520 need to add in a little bit of nuance that it's not a uh a looks mug you know this kid i can't
00:12:28.600 believe this kid's 19. you you would say that you have the edge over me in looks mogging i i think
00:12:34.440 i might have you by just a small margin i don't know but that could be attributed to youth you
00:12:38.520 know so who knows back in the day youth a lot a lot of women find the older dude a lot of women find
00:12:45.000 the older dude more appealing than the young pimply youth you know well you know absolutely
00:12:51.400 but i would say for the most part uh looks are an extremely uh objective thing and that's sort
00:12:57.240 of what i'm trying to you know push people towards realizing is that well you might not
00:13:03.000 know these facial ratios that make someone attractive and harmonious or not they're
00:13:08.280 subconscious right and everyone is judging you based off of them and it's not something that's
00:13:13.560 within anyone's control so simply being able to identify them and improve upon them is a very
00:13:19.480 beneficial thing okay well let's have a look at you before you started all this and we'll compare
00:13:24.520 to what you look like now so there's the before and after to be fair i think it's like face is
00:13:31.720 kind of the same it's the hair helps because i think his forehead's slightly big and the acne
00:13:39.000 went away and the body i guess is better now obviously the steroids what age were you well
00:13:46.360 like i think like is here i guess maybe the bone smashing did help before picture can you see that
00:13:54.040 where you are yeah i would have been i would have been 16 years old and the one on the
00:13:59.080 the one on the right is your what are you now you're 20. yeah so you've been that would have
00:14:03.160 been when i was a transformation okay so you've been through a big physical transformation that's
00:14:07.480 clear your face has changed dramatically so what have you done to your face to to look max yourself
00:14:16.600 um it's a lot of pharmaceutical intervention uh especially during puberty right so this is going
00:14:22.040 to be the time where it's most important for people to optimize sort of their their growth
00:14:27.080 mechanisms and their growth pathways uh and you know a few of the ways i did this is with exogenous
00:14:33.640 hormones like testosterone, like human growth hormone. I did things like block aromatase,
00:14:40.860 which is testosterone converting into estrogen so that I would actually grow taller.
00:14:44.940 So there's plenty of different mechanisms that I leverage to sort of masculinize myself a little
00:14:50.680 bit more and to become a little bit bigger. So, you know, it would just take me so long to go
00:14:58.160 through every little step that I took to Luxmax. Okay, but then there's a harder degree called
00:15:03.860 hard maxing, which is my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, because this is your lingo,
00:15:09.040 not mine, which is often surgical or invasive methods to alter appearance, fillers, implants,
00:15:15.520 plastic surgery. So a more dramatic way to use surgical enhancement. Is that accurate?
00:15:22.120 That's accurate, yes. Have you done much hard maxing to yourself?
00:15:26.160 well a lot of people consider anabolic steroids to be within the heart i don't think like okay
00:15:32.280 because think about it this is how gynocentric of a social order we live in so he's going to
00:15:38.260 the extreme to look better but women do it all the time and there's no show about bbls boob jobs
00:15:44.520 like facial implants women have been getting that for 50 years but when a man does it that's when
00:15:50.320 shamed maxing uh category and i've done things like botox but in terms of like actual surgical
00:15:57.880 osteotomies rhinoplasties i haven't done that it's just more so about pharmacology have you
00:16:04.900 partaken in mewing a technique involving specific tongue posture to improve your jawline structure
00:16:12.940 i have participated in mewing and the whole idea behind mewing is that it should be your natural
00:16:18.920 tongue position, right? That basically means that your palate has enough space to accommodate your
00:16:23.660 tongue. Um, and that you've got proper development. And this also, you know, is going to help you with
00:16:29.220 focusing on nose breathing, which, you know, during your development is one of the key things
00:16:34.580 for looks max. There's not much you can do after you've already developed improperly,
00:16:39.120 but mewing is going to be one of those things. I know. And I have jaw issues. You hear this?
00:16:44.300 and i think it's because my like lower face didn't fully develop i'm always so jealous of
00:16:50.320 people with big nostrils i'm like it'd be so nice to just like get a lot of air up there
00:16:55.580 black people don't know how good they have it because it's absolutely required during the youth
00:17:00.320 where do you come up with these phrases i mean i've got two cats two burmese cats
00:17:05.420 they they mew they meow that's what i perceive to be mewing where do you get this lingo from
00:17:13.220 So a lot of the lingo comes from forums over the years.
00:17:17.640 This was a very niche part of the internet for a while.
00:17:20.960 And this was one of the techniques from Dr. Mike Mew that that became very popular.
00:17:27.440 I would say that this is kind of just like the most surface level form of looks maxing
00:17:31.840 that's sort of been known, you know, throughout internet spaces since, you know, really about
00:17:37.240 2016, I would say, but like the more hardcore form.
00:17:41.740 yeah i've been debating doing palette expansion but it's so expensive all the quotes i got are
00:17:47.040 so expensive and i'm like nervous i'm like what if i do all this work and it doesn't fix my problem
00:17:52.980 which is my jaw i don't know the looks maxing weren't really discovered and weren't really in
00:17:58.000 the mainstream until a little bit later on see the people watching this you've never heard of you go
00:18:03.060 why why are you giving all this airtime to this guy it's all quite interesting but what's special
00:18:09.380 about you right and i would argue the reason the new york times did a big profile on you
00:18:14.100 is that you're now making it is reported at least a hundred thousand dollars a month from your
00:18:19.380 daily stream which often involves hours and hours of you just streaming whatever you're up to and
00:18:24.100 i presume you'll include you know your impressions of how our interview goes for example um it is
00:18:30.500 fascinating to me that someone like you at your age can come and become a millionaire really by
00:18:36.980 just using a load of phraseology combined with i guess self-improvement nothing new about self
00:18:44.660 improvement but you're combining with two and what people young people perceive to be a cool way
00:18:50.260 which you have tapped into which is very lucrative uh that is why you're interesting right yeah i
00:18:56.020 would say so and i don't really think it comes down to the finances um that's sort of something
00:19:00.980 that has been, you know, really pushed in the media for some reason, but I don't think that
00:19:07.140 social media money in this day and age should really be that surprising to people. I think
00:19:12.240 there's content creators who are a lot better off than me financially. So I'm kind of just shocked
00:19:17.300 that people cared about that headline so much. And the thing is, Piers, simply what I'm saying is
00:19:23.520 my life is kind of on a one-to-one linear timeline with my exact ideologies that improving your
00:19:30.840 looks is going to have a direct correlation with improvement in your life. So as soon as I started
00:19:37.080 really ascending and really getting into those high percentile looks, look at what happened to
00:19:42.120 my life. I became that millionaire. I became famous. And a lot of things just started going
00:19:47.520 really well for me. Who knows if this would have happened if I were in the lower percentiles of
00:19:52.900 looks. Maybe some of it could be attributed to charisma, to my personality and uniqueness. But
00:19:58.920 i would say for the most part this wouldn't be possible this generational run as they like to
00:20:04.740 say would not have been possible without the looks you mentioned your charisma what another phrase is
00:20:10.700 jester maxing the act of using humor clowning or absurd behavior to gain attention no i think he's
00:20:17.640 right guys i mean looks get you far and i mean if i okay i can even say when i put on a full face
00:20:23.940 makeup i curl my hair and i look like really really nice um
00:20:34.340 then like you know i get treated different