Pearl - October 23, 2025
The Odds of A Horrible Marriage Are Worse Than Russian Roulette
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Summary
Ben Shapiro is a conservative commentator who argues that marriage is a bad idea. He's been married to his wife for over 20 years and has 2 kids, but he still doesn't get it. He doesn't understand how bad it is to get divorced, and he doesn't care enough to talk about it. Matt and Ben discuss why he's wrong, and why it's a terrible idea.
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Most people are going to be single parents. If most people are getting divorced and not staying
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together, what do you think your future is probably going to be? I mean, by a picture of
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myself, Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, we aren't old enough to know better and don't know the
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reality of what we're pushing. Yet a woman who is younger than us and single does know better
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and does understand this reality. Another post, she goes on to say that marriage is again. Then
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he starts attacking me. You know, again, it's like these Christian people. I didn't attack him.
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I didn't. I said, he doesn't understand the reality of what he's pushing. Men commit suicide
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to this, Matt. Yeah, go yourself. I've seen men that are on the brink of suicide. And when you
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push that, you might not know it, but you're sending men to their death. Screw you. If you
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don't think that's important to be accurate about that. Screw you. If you don't think it's good to
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talk about or screw you, if you don't think it's relevant to talk about the risks. Screw you for
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being dishonest about these numbers. I actually do understand it better than you. You follow like
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20 bajillion topics. Uh, you got married to one woman. I've seen how this thing plays out in the
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long haul. Not everybody is an elitist, right? Not everybody is a high class person living in the
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silver, in a silver top. Like people with money have different choices, but you have no idea how
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bad a divorce hits a middle American, like the middle class men, they get it the worst. You know,
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the upper class men, they recover because they can afford lawyers, but it's the men that can't,
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and they're funding their wife divorcing them. Is it true that men are suicidal from divorce? Yeah.
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Big terrible deal for men. And she later explains, quote, would you ever sign a contract that fails
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75% of the time where your business partner is paid to break the contract? Why would you encourage
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men to sign that contract until the terms are fixed? If no one ever taught you how to manage your money,
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or you're secretly ashamed of where you're at financially. All right. Screw you. Free financial
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literacy course. You may be surprised to learn that marriages fail at a rate of 75%.
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And now he's going to belittle it. Okay. We want, we want to talk about the numbers, Matt. Let's talk
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about them. 45% divorce rate. On top of that, most women gain 30, 80% of women gain 30 pounds in the
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first five years of marriage. A quarter of marriages are sexless. And most people believe that that
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number is a lot higher. Most women lead the relationships. Most women are in charge. That's
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why we have phrases like happy wife, happy life. And you can gaslight men, but they're not stupid.
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They're going to see this. Um, I have it in a folder, but I can, I can actually break down and
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I'm going to do a video on this breaking down. If there's a hundred marriages, what your odds are
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of each thing happening. Yeah. Even if the divorce odds are one in three, which he'll claim not three
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and four, it's still more risky than Russian roulette. Look, we all know if you include
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out of the people that stay together. If you include sexless marriages, if you include wives
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that got obscenely fat, if you include bitchy wives, we know it's more than 50%.
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The figure that people like this normally use is 50%. And the claim that 50% of marriages end
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in divorce is already spurious. And we'll have more on that in a moment, but yeah, because you didn't
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think through it because your stupid riders do everything for you. 75%. I was wondering where that
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number came from. So I scrolled down and I saw something that she reposted from an alleged lawyer
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who said this quote, it's not 50, 50 that only accounts for divorces. Another 25% on the negative
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side for miserable men trapped in cheaper to keep her marriages unwilling to risk financial destruction
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and loss of their children. 75% chance of a devastatingly bad outcome is just a bad
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plan. No sane person would enter into a commercial contract on such terms. Now I did ask him where
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he got this 75% figure from. And the worst part is they have such big egos. Like it's just turned
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into this Jesus rock star, like bullshit. They just use the religion to get as much attention and cloud
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as possible. Guys, I have a whole video breaking down the actual divorce rates. It's called how
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conservatives are lying to you about marriage. If you want to see it, go there. And he wouldn't say
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apparently the magic statistic fairy came and whispered it in his. And that's a, that's a liberal
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tactic, right? He's going into it in bad faith where he's saying, Oh, you're just lying. You're just
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making this stuff up. Well, if that's what you think, why, why would we even have a discussion?
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All the men getting divorced, Matt, really? We're all, the whole red pill is just making this up.
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Now for her part, Pearl later tweeted a picture of Pierce Brosnan with his wife of 20 years. And
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she questioned whether the marriage counts as successful since Brosnan wife, Brosnan's wife
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has put on some weight at the age of 60. So apparently even. Yeah. And now he's going to white
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night. Now he's going to white night. Yes, ladies get fat, do it, gain a bunch of weight.
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Men love that. If they're happy and have remained married for two decades. How do you know they're
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happy? They still might fall into that 75% failure rate because they have not both remained in
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supermodel condition into their sixties. This debate on social media brought out the rest of the marriage
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skeptical crowd on the right. A bunch of these red pill influencers decided to hop on
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an emergency Zoom call and spend two hours talking about me and the rest of the Daily Wire crew
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and our reckless promotion of society's most fundamental institution. Now there's one clip
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here that you should see. This is apparently a divorce lawyer who says that the failure rate for
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marriage is not 50% and it's not 75%. It is in fact even higher. Listen.
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I think marriage can be successful. Of course. It's just not something that's as scalable as we as a
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society are trying to pretend it is. Marriage is, and I've said this a hundred times and I'll say it a
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hundred more. Marriage is like the lottery. You are probably not going to win. Okay. You're probably not
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going to win. Don't make that your 401k. You're probably not going to win. But if you win, what you win.
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Okay. And that's the ego. And this is, this is what I really cannot stand about traditional
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conservatives. They're just, they are just not pragmatic at all. Every conservative thinks
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they are above the numbers. They all think they won't be statistics. If everyone else is getting
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30 year old women that are giving them one, maybe two children, what do you think your wife is most
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likely going to be? Most people are going to be single parents. If most people are getting divorced
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and not staying together, what do you think your future is probably going to be? And there's this
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cope, you know, I'll be different. I'll be special. Why do you have such a big ego to think that you're
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different or special? Seriously. Why, why, why would you not have the same results as everyone else?
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Is so great that I don't blame you for buying a ticket and trying. I personally don't buy lottery
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tickets, but when somebody says, yeah, I played a lottery. Hey man, somebody's got to win. And you
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know what? As long as you're not blowing money that you need for food or to put shoes on your kid's
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feet, you're not hurting anybody. Go out, give it a try. So I always tell people, listen, marriage,
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when it works, when you have somebody who's married 20 plus years and they're still crazy about
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each other, that is the exception, not the rule. But when you do it, it's phenomenal. It's phenomenal.
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So why not buy the ticket, take the ride, but have a prenup? Wear a seatbelt, guys. You can be a safe
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driver, but wear a seatbelt. So a happy marriage, he says, is like winning the lottery. And the thing
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about the lottery is that almost everybody loses. This is a perfect summation of how this entire club
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views marriage and the message that they're sending to young men in particular. Sure,
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it can be great, they concede, but only if you're insanely lucky. Everybody else is screwed.
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This is a rather bleak view of marriage and thankfully, it's also nonsense. First of all,
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the claim that marriage isn't scalable is obviously ridiculous because marriage has served as the bedrock
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of human society since time immemorial. Yeah, and as soon as people got the option to opt out,
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they did. You know, again, I don't really care what people say. And again, that's the issue you get
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with traditional conservatives. A lot of times they go off of what the woman says. I go off of what
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people do. Again, if it was that great, why did everybody opt out the first second they got?
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It has already happened at the scale of civilization for thousands of years. Now the divorce lawyers come
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along and say that, you know, this thing that society has been doing forever, turns out it doesn't
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work. So the next way conservatives manipulate you, okay, is they use history as a way to paint
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what's not going to happen in your lifetime. So what they'll do is they'll say, well, this movement's
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going to happen because at this time in history it worked. Well, you know, it's like, so what they'll
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do is they'll say, oh, well, a hundred years ago, you know, we propagated women back. And I'm like,
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well, let's look outside. You know, it's like, imagine if you're going to make a decision as a
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business, because really in a way you should kind of look at your time, your resources, your energy
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as a business. You only have so much of it. So if you came to a business owner, right? And you said,
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all right, make this decision. You know, the business owner would say, okay, well, has anyone
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else made this decision? How did it go for them? They're like, well, half of them, it didn't work
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out. And a quarter are sexless and fat, 25% chance of it working. And then if you take the risk, you
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know, well, it's probably not going to work. But, and business owners take risks all the time where
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they know they're not going to make their money back, but they know. Right. Um, but imagine if
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that person went to the business owner and said, well, a hundred years ago, this worked. And the
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business owner would say, uh, okay, does that work today? And the business owner, uh, and the
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investor said, well, no, but you know, I swear a hundred years ago, the, the business owner would
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say, well, I don't care. And it, you know, I'm not saying that history doesn't repeat itself,
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but we cannot predict how the future is going to go. You never can.
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So it takes a big ego to believe you can really predict how the next a hundred years are going to
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go. I don't know. I can't say, uh, based on what I see now, I could tell you how I, what I think may
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happen, but who knows? Um, but they'll say, well, a hundred years ago, this works well, Matt
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today. It's not working. So now what? Unless you're the one in a million.
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It's, it's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous claim. Now, what about the failure rate of marriages in
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our culture? We've heard 50%. We've heard 75%. We just heard that they, they fail at a rate similar
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to the rate that people lose the lottery, which would mean higher than 99%, a lot higher.
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Um, yet these kinds of astronomical odds are not based in anything, but the doom and gloom
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speculations of the people inventing them. There is no evidence that having a happy marriage is as
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unlikely as winning the lottery or that 75% of marriages end in misery. And what about the 50%
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number? Well, this is at least is a, is a familiar statistic. It's, it's something that you've
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probably heard before 50% of marriages ended divorce. Oh my God, this tastes so good. You
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guys hit it out the park. Well, thank you. It's cause it's different. It's fermented.
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Um, it's familiar, but it is bogus. And one way that you know that it's bogus is that people have
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been claiming that 50% of marriages ended divorce since I was a kid. I've been hearing that my whole
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life. And that would mean that divorce rates are static across time. But of course that isn't the
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case. In fact, we know the divorce rates have gone down in recent years. Okay. Let's see divorce rate
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from 1950. We all know why it's gone down to present. Okay. So again, this is, it's so dishonest what they
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do. So the divorce rates gone down from 22 divorces per thousand women.
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To 20. So what they'll do is when it's stayed relatively stagnant, they'll just zoom in a lot