Pearl - September 14, 2025


The Reality of Where ＂Biblical Marriage＂ Lands You in Court


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16 minutes

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301

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In this episode, the guys discuss the difference between a biblical marriage and a modern day one. They discuss the benefits and drawbacks of each and how they can be applied to one and the other. They also discuss the impact of divorce on the economy and the culture.

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00:00:00.000 Because the woman, on her whim, she could have one bad day, go to divorce court, file against you.
00:00:06.120 80% of divorces are filed by women.
00:00:08.520 And you are effed.
00:00:09.820 You're marrying.
00:00:10.540 In 2025, you're not marrying a woman in Jesus.
00:00:13.580 You're marrying a woman and a divorce court that is on her side.
00:00:18.800 So the problem is women, when we have a child, that's like post-nut clarity for us.
00:00:24.100 As many kids as we have.
00:00:25.980 Because we're like, oh, we got what we wanted.
00:00:28.080 And then we have to look at the guy.
00:00:29.560 Then we have to look at the guy and we're like, did I want him?
00:00:33.160 Ooh.
00:00:33.780 Did I want, ooh.
00:00:35.620 And sometimes the answer is, yeah, I did.
00:00:38.320 And then other times the answer is.
00:00:39.740 Other times is, I just want the money.
00:00:42.080 Think about this.
00:00:43.320 Think about this.
00:00:44.620 None of us, none of us are Obama fans.
00:00:49.460 But I always credit Hardworth.
00:00:52.000 The guy made it to the presidency.
00:00:53.280 His wife wrote in a book.
00:00:55.260 Big Mike wrote that she hated him for the first 10 years of their marriage after the, no, for the first 10 years of their marriage.
00:01:04.940 She wrote in a book, national bestseller.
00:01:08.680 I hated him for 10 years after our first child was born.
00:01:13.900 That's women right there.
00:01:15.740 And then I'm going to add another layer to it.
00:01:18.480 Because there are what are called gray divorces.
00:01:20.540 Gray divorce, the trend of couples divorcing over 50, has significantly increased with the divorce rate for those over 50 doubling since 1990.
00:01:29.440 So in 2019, about 36% of all divorces involved individuals 50 or older.
00:01:38.160 Yeah.
00:01:39.080 You've got a long way to go, buddy.
00:01:41.020 Yeah.
00:01:41.380 I just got to see.
00:01:42.520 I got to see your youngest kid hit like 13-ish.
00:01:47.820 And then you can come back.
00:01:49.700 I'm happy.
00:01:50.540 I'm happy to do that.
00:01:51.760 Yeah.
00:01:52.280 I mean.
00:01:52.920 Jay, how long have you been married?
00:01:54.680 It's no offense to you.
00:01:56.320 It's just, I've just seen, again, I've interviewed men even more confident than you that said the same thing that ended up in the worst place, unfortunately.
00:02:06.280 I just wondered.
00:02:07.220 Dude, I hope you're passionately married to your wife forever.
00:02:09.880 I'm very happily married to my second wife.
00:02:12.100 It's fantastic.
00:02:12.840 We've been together 15 years, married 15 years, two kids.
00:02:15.700 It's the best life I've ever lived.
00:02:17.320 I'm not anti-marriage.
00:02:19.020 When it works, it just works so rarely that it's hard to recommend.
00:02:22.960 Because almost nobody does it correctly.
00:02:25.000 So, of course, it works rarely.
00:02:27.380 But he has a point.
00:02:28.940 He has a point.
00:02:29.620 A lot of people don't choose properly to start with.
00:02:32.380 Of course, it's going to fall apart.
00:02:33.480 They don't choose properly.
00:02:34.940 They don't live out what we're talking about at all.
00:02:38.080 And then you act like the idea of biblical marriage failed when nobody was actually doing the thing.
00:02:43.100 Biblical marriage doesn't exist.
00:02:45.840 It doesn't exist anymore.
00:02:47.740 Of course it does.
00:02:48.900 Stephen Crowder.
00:02:50.180 Well, yeah, he's right.
00:02:51.160 It doesn't exist.
00:02:52.040 You have to have enforcement.
00:02:53.160 If it only exists when the woman decides it exists, it doesn't exist.
00:02:58.320 Yeah.
00:02:59.060 And there's no God in divorce court either.
00:03:01.460 Yeah, it's traditional when she decides it's traditional.
00:03:04.740 If she doesn't decide it, that means she has the final say, which means it's not you.
00:03:08.620 That's just the point.
00:03:09.700 If breaking the covenant with God is not a big deal to her, then she wasn't a good wife.
00:03:15.540 You picked the wrong one from the jump.
00:03:17.000 But that's just begging the question.
00:03:20.380 She decides whether or not that's true.
00:03:22.160 That's fair.
00:03:22.840 So that's an indictment on the marriage system itself.
00:03:27.080 It's an indictment on women.
00:03:27.900 It's also an indictment on a woman who would do that.
00:03:31.060 But then you made a bad choice because she did not actually have a passion for the covenant that she was under.
00:03:37.640 In a biblical marriage, you could make a weak choice and she could not fuck you in divorce court, right?
00:03:45.180 That's the difference between a biblical marriage and modern day marriage.
00:03:48.760 These are not the same things.
00:03:50.100 I am 1,000% in favor of biblical marriage.
00:03:53.360 But we don't have that anymore.
00:03:55.480 It's gone.
00:03:56.300 Because the woman, on her whim, she could have one bad day, go to divorce court, file against you.
00:04:02.580 80% of divorces are filed by women.
00:04:05.040 And you are effed.
00:04:06.280 You're marrying.
00:04:07.000 In 2025, you're not marrying a woman in Jesus.
00:04:10.220 You're marrying a woman and a divorce court that is on her side.
00:04:13.900 I'm not arguing that divorce court is on her side.
00:04:15.840 And the problem is, you know what?
00:04:17.620 So I had a trainer in London.
00:04:19.360 And to be honest, he talked kind of like you.
00:04:21.620 He met his high school sweetheart around the same age.
00:04:25.100 He married her.
00:04:25.700 He was like a devout Muslim guy.
00:04:27.940 And literally one day he comes in and he comes in with like scratches on his face.
00:04:32.800 And he said his wife like thought he was cheating, but he has a twin brother.
00:04:37.820 I don't know.
00:04:38.340 Maybe he lied his way out of it.
00:04:39.600 Or maybe he was cheating.
00:04:40.420 I don't know.
00:04:41.140 I don't know.
00:04:41.840 I don't know.
00:04:42.140 This is just a story he told me.
00:04:43.760 I also have a twin brother as well.
00:04:46.400 No, but he actually did.
00:04:48.500 He actually did have a twin brother.
00:04:50.260 That's a funny thing.
00:04:51.220 He actually did.
00:04:51.800 But apparently it's like his twin brother took a woman on a date.
00:04:56.180 Right.
00:04:57.060 And her friend saw the twin brother and thought it was him and then came back to her and said
00:05:03.580 that he was cheating.
00:05:04.440 So this woman crashed out, called the police on him, said that he was abusive, all this
00:05:10.220 bullshit.
00:05:10.720 And he literally went to jail with his like trad wife of 20 years.
00:05:15.340 And I swear he spoke to like the way you're talking right now.
00:05:19.480 He spoke to me.
00:05:21.040 He said his wife would never.
00:05:22.580 And that and I, you know, it's not that I want I don't want to be black pilled, but
00:05:26.660 I've just had too many guys kind of talk like you and have the same talking points.
00:05:32.020 We're just not doing it right.
00:05:33.280 And then they come back like five years like Stephen Crowder, you know, before he got divorced,
00:05:38.020 he sounded just like you, you know, and now he's the same.
00:05:41.640 He said, do it right.
00:05:42.440 He would go on all the shows and say, do it like this.
00:05:45.540 Marry a virgin wife.
00:05:46.780 He went and did it.
00:05:47.740 And now, you know, she did the same thing.
00:05:49.880 The abuse.
00:05:50.880 Or you have.
00:05:51.560 I mean, how many female divorce court judges were there in the second century AD?
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00:07:36.700 Oh, yeah.
00:07:37.120 That's the challenge.
00:07:38.500 The worst challenge.
00:07:39.540 It's nothing new.
00:07:40.600 Go ahead.
00:07:41.480 Go ahead.
00:07:41.700 Even worse, there is a social infrastructure in place to encourage women to leave their
00:07:48.340 husbands and go out there and struggle.
00:07:50.540 Tyrese's ex-wife was on a podcast.
00:07:53.300 He went to go shoot a movie.
00:07:56.060 She covered up all the ring cameras while he was gone, took their newborn child, all
00:08:01.240 of her stuff out of the house, and has two lawyers trying to get more money out of him
00:08:06.040 right now.
00:08:06.580 And she had to go on a podcast and say, I regret if it wasn't for my mama and all my
00:08:12.500 friends, I would have never divorced him if I could go back.
00:08:17.140 But I had all these women in my air saying, you don't need him.
00:08:20.160 He's a punk.
00:08:20.840 He's a bitch, whatever.
00:08:22.080 That don't count.
00:08:23.080 He married a steamer, though.
00:08:24.420 If she covered up the ring cams and took everything, she was steamer from junk.
00:08:28.080 I got to be honest.
00:08:29.220 What blackpilled me, it wasn't even the divorced people, because obviously you're getting the
00:08:33.520 worst of the worst.
00:08:34.680 It was the people that would come on my show and talk just like you in the same thing,
00:08:38.960 or the people in my life that would literally say your exact talking points.
00:08:44.300 And I swear it would be so similar to what you're saying, and then the same thing would
00:08:48.860 happen.
00:08:49.240 And then that's when I realized it was over.
00:08:52.240 If there was an option today where people could pick, hey, I want a modern 2020-25 marriage
00:08:57.740 with family court options and all that stuff on the one hand, or I could have a biblical
00:09:02.000 option on the other hand, I'd be 100% for biblical marriage.
00:09:05.560 I think you're right.
00:09:06.840 I think biblical marriage is the foundation of a functioning Western civilization.
00:09:11.400 I don't think we can survive without it.
00:09:13.480 I'm not criticizing biblical marriage at all.
00:09:15.840 I'm just observing that today we do not have that.
00:09:20.300 Well, again, you don't have it unless you have two people who actually believe it.
00:09:27.440 Unless you have a woman that believes it.
00:09:29.480 That's the point.
00:09:30.360 That's the point I'm trying, because you guys are talking about divorce court and all
00:09:33.440 these things that I don't even disagree with.
00:09:36.660 But biblical marriage is not biblical marriage if you're married to a woman who is willing
00:09:41.420 to leave on a whim.
00:09:42.860 You were never in a biblical marriage.
00:09:45.380 Every woman has the option to leave on a whim.
00:09:47.440 Well, I got to see the youngest kid hit 12-ish.
00:09:52.180 I got a few years, and I'll be happy for that.
00:09:54.700 Yeah, be careful out there, fellas.
00:09:57.400 I'll let you know at eight years for me as well.
00:09:59.920 Yeah, so that's what I'll take it a little more.
00:10:03.800 But it's got to be, she's got to have as many kids as she wants, because some women will
00:10:08.480 get the second kid at like 38 or something.
00:10:11.440 Hey, when you got married, my friend, when you got married, did you do the church pre-marriage
00:10:16.440 counseling thing?
00:10:17.260 No, so to be honest with you, I have not, our entire marriage has not been a biblical
00:10:24.100 marriage structure.
00:10:25.620 Okay, fair enough.
00:10:26.940 I'm not trying to get personal.
00:10:28.720 No, not at all.
00:10:29.460 We've gone through periods where our marriage was not great, again, because we had two people
00:10:36.080 who said they were Christians who were not living biblical marriage and not living biblical
00:10:40.880 principles.
00:10:41.440 Yeah, I get it.
00:10:41.760 And when we flip that switch to, and when I say biblical, when I think actually to the
00:10:50.160 point, point by point, two people saying, I'm going to do my job and I'm going to do
00:10:54.600 my job, then everything changed.
00:10:56.440 And that's why I'm passionate about it.
00:10:57.860 It's not because I'm like, I'm so special or this or that.
00:11:00.660 I had to go from a struggling marriage to a thriving marriage by actually living out biblical
00:11:06.420 principles and not just saying, this is a Christian marriage.
00:11:10.100 All right, first of all, I'll tell you, you're ahead of me because I went through the same
00:11:14.000 process, but it took me two marriages and a divorce in the middle.
00:11:17.800 So I consider my marriage today to be a biblical marriage.
00:11:21.020 We're very happy.
00:11:21.820 It's a very traditional type of marriage.
00:11:24.200 I'm the breadwinner.
00:11:25.260 My wife stays home with the kids.
00:11:26.600 Everything works great.
00:11:27.720 It's fantastic.
00:11:28.720 It's fantastic.
00:11:29.520 I feel like I'm treated like a king by my wife.
00:11:32.100 Which is the most important thing, by the way, is respect.
00:11:34.440 If you don't have respect for your wife, then you're done already.
00:11:37.800 A hundred percent.
00:11:38.480 In my first marriage, I was treated with contempt by my wife.
00:11:41.340 Yeah, that's a nightmare.
00:11:42.420 Of course, that's what makes it a cancer.
00:11:45.360 But I wonder how many guys, so we went to the pre-marriage church thing where they counsel
00:11:51.500 you on all this, you know, well, you know, your obligations are this and that and the
00:11:55.240 other thing.
00:11:55.580 But you know what they didn't show us?
00:11:56.980 They didn't show us a stream of videos of guys getting ruined in divorce because I bet
00:12:02.440 a lot of guys, if they went through pre-marriage counseling where they showed you the 50, 80
00:12:06.460 percent divorce rate and the destruction those guys go through and the self-ending rate of
00:12:11.960 that fathers being denied access to their children, I wonder how many dudes would say, you know
00:12:16.680 what, dating seems a lot better than this.
00:12:20.380 And here's the thing, media for women, these goofy romance movies and rom-coms and Hallmark
00:12:28.400 and where the guy's perfect, they always end, oh yeah, they get together and they kiss
00:12:34.140 and the movie ends.
00:12:35.680 It doesn't show anything after that.
00:12:37.360 It doesn't show them getting married and having to deal with marriage.
00:12:40.680 It always stops right there because that's what women care about the most.
00:12:43.500 women don't think about the hard work it takes after they get married.
00:12:49.580 Women want to get married but don't want to be wives.
00:12:52.000 A lot of women want to have children but don't want to be mothers now.
00:12:55.320 Yeah.
00:12:55.720 Yeah, absolutely.
00:12:56.300 Well, you know, the movie set up unrealistic expectations too.
00:12:59.260 I got to, I got to welcome the, the great home math.
00:13:04.020 Welcome to the show.
00:13:05.280 Oh, let's go.
00:13:07.280 I wondered if I was getting, I thought I was getting, I thought I was getting bumps at the
00:13:13.160 end of the line.
00:13:13.980 No, no, never.
00:13:16.360 I'm taking notes.
00:13:17.400 You guys are, you guys are having a conversation about choosing women that don't exist.
00:13:21.740 They exist, they exist.
00:13:26.200 Oh my God.
00:13:26.760 Where are they?
00:13:27.680 Where are they and how do you make them?
00:13:29.360 It's all, this is, it's, this is all top down.
00:13:31.680 This is all like whether.
00:13:33.480 Can I make him a little bigger?
00:13:34.620 How do I make him?
00:13:35.720 Oh yeah, we need Aaron.
00:13:36.960 I know he's just riding a lot of cycles with Aaron a week ago.
00:13:39.580 Oh, I love it.
00:13:40.420 I'm on my glasses for this one.
00:13:42.180 It's, it's all top down.
00:13:44.000 It all, like the way that women behave is modulated by or moderated by the, the dominant
00:13:51.620 social paradigm.
00:13:52.740 So it's like, they have to see women who are behaving well, getting lots of like trophies.
00:13:59.040 Yes.
00:13:59.500 They have to see women who are mothers and who are like obedient to their husbands getting
00:14:03.680 celebrated and then they'll get celebrated, but instead they see Bonnie blue.
00:14:06.620 So now you've got like, um, I don't know what to draw.
00:14:10.420 I'll just do X, X, X for Bonnie blue.
00:14:12.480 You've got that boobs.
00:14:14.320 Yeah.
00:14:15.360 You've got that.
00:14:16.460 Maybe put like a line of men.
00:14:18.380 Yeah.
00:14:19.000 I have that in here somewhere.
00:14:20.660 I could find that.
00:14:21.620 Um, they have, uh, there's, there's these guys right here on the, on zones, the dudes
00:14:27.000 in the, her past.
00:14:29.440 Um, so yeah, if you want there to be marriageable women, you have to show marriageable women
00:14:35.260 receiving rewards.
00:14:36.420 And we do not do that.
00:14:37.600 Like, this is all systematic.
00:14:39.160 You know, we're talking about men making choices.
00:14:41.540 How many choices can you possibly make?
00:14:43.940 Like I had to be really, really forgiving with, uh, my choices and they still all turned
00:14:49.860 out all the ones that I liked turned out pretty bad in one way or another.
00:14:54.480 Where were you fishing?
00:14:56.240 Uh, I mean, school, uh, there was one girl that I grew up with.
00:15:00.960 There was, I mean, of course there was the internet.
00:15:03.000 There was people I met socially, it's the standard.
00:15:08.380 The state.
00:15:08.820 Yeah.
00:15:09.000 So you have a point.
00:15:10.980 No, I'm not going to say church, but God, but, but, but you can start there.
00:15:14.760 You could, that's not what I was going to say.
00:15:15.880 Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
00:15:18.100 Church is the last stop on the whore train.
00:15:20.180 Oh God, there was.
00:15:22.200 Church, church is the lobster trap of marriages.
00:15:25.140 Secular society has destroyed women.
00:15:27.640 There is zero question about that.
00:15:29.580 Yeah.
00:15:29.860 Um, but, but how do you, like, what, what's the solution here?
00:15:34.400 Um, other than other, but that doesn't, that doesn't fix the quality of women that are
00:15:40.980 available to men.
00:15:41.840 It will.
00:15:42.700 It will.
00:15:43.600 How?
00:15:43.820 Because as soon as, as soon as like aliens land and say, everybody is going to speak
00:15:51.480 this alien language now, women will be like, yeah, I have always done it.
00:15:54.640 And I always, I didn't before I, I knew it before you.
00:15:57.440 And what's the rule change?
00:15:58.480 You just make marriage binding without.
00:16:01.520 Yeah.
00:16:02.060 You have to, you, you have to make marriage the way it used to be where when you get married,
00:16:05.600 it's for real.
00:16:06.260 Like they make vows about good times and bad.
00:16:08.580 And then they go, well, I'm not happy.
00:16:09.980 Right.
00:16:10.320 Those are the bad times.
00:16:11.200 Right.
00:16:12.080 And you're supposed to vow your way through that.
00:16:14.480 So until 1970, if you wanted to get divorced, you had to go to court and sue.
00:16:19.240 It was civil litigation.
00:16:20.560 It was a big deal.
00:16:21.600 Yeah.
00:16:22.200 Jury and everything.