Pearl - The Sitdown： Dinesh D'Souza Welcome to the Show!!!!

00:00:00.920 What is up, guys? Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily here at the Audacity Network.

00:00:08.160 Today, we're actually doing something a little different. We're having an episode of The Sit

00:00:12.300 Down, and that is where I invite guests on the show. And today, we have on Dinesh D'Souza,

00:00:19.920 author, filmmaker, and host of his weekly show, Dinesh. Welcome to the show.

00:00:26.780 Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Looking forward to this.

00:00:32.000 Cool. So I was looking into your background. You've been in politics forever. When did you

00:00:38.220 first get into it? Well, I came to America from India at the age of 17 as an exchange student.

00:00:45.920 I found myself at Dartmouth College a year later, and this was the early years of the

00:00:52.680 Reagan revolution. So I caught the political bug. And I've been in politics kind of ever since. By

00:00:59.420 the time I graduated, I wanted to come to Washington and be part of the Reagan

00:01:04.100 transformation. I worked in the White House in my 20s. So yes, I do go back a long time.

00:01:11.840 And as a result, I've been close to a lot of figures kind of right of center over several

00:01:19.720 decades. Was the 70s the best decade ever? Well, I came at the very end of the 70s. And quite

00:01:28.940 honestly, I didn't think so. My view was that the 70s was the sort of fruition of the hippie

00:01:37.520 bohemian movement. The bohemian movement really goes back to the 1930s, but it became mainstream

00:01:43.440 in the 60s. I'm talking about hippies and sandals and the peace movement. It really came to flower

00:01:50.900 in the 1970s. And I have to say that Reagan ran kind of against it. I mean, Reagan came from

00:01:57.740 California, so he was governor when all of that was going on. But in some ways, Reagan represented

00:02:03.160 a repudiation of that, of the 1970s. And the Reagan era, I would say, began from 1980 and ended

00:02:12.340 in 2008 when when obama was elected um your audio is a little low are you able to turn it up at all

00:02:19.940 yeah i think so how about now better oh yeah that's better um let me know in the chat if that's

00:02:25.220 okay um i went to uh i'm sorry there's a little bit of echo is there any way you have headphones

00:02:32.420 or anything uh no but i'll turn off my i don't know if my cell phone could be causing that

00:02:38.260 i'm turning it off right now to see if that's does that improve anything a little better yeah

00:02:42.900 that's better that's better okay okay yeah i always hear about the 70s being this great time

00:02:49.620 so i guess you disagree with that huh well i mean there were great things about it i mean uh i think

00:02:55.940 the music of the 70s was amazing uh there were hollywood films in the 70s that have not been

00:03:02.900 better since uh so there was a vitality about it that i did like uh the the 60s had entrepreneurial

00:03:12.900 energy behind it uh which i wouldn't want to completely repudiate now i think a lot of the

00:03:18.900 a lot of the degeneracy that we deplore today is traceable right back to that period so it was a

00:03:26.740 period of sort of flowering of creativity on the one hand, flowering also of lots of

00:03:32.420 types of weird and sometimes interesting spirituality, but it also sowed the seeds of a lot of the

00:03:38.820 cultural degeneracy that young people particularly deplore today.

00:03:43.220 Yeah, like no-felt divorce being introduced.

00:03:45.940 Yeah, exactly. Roe vs. Wade 1973, the homosexual movement. Now what's interesting is all these

00:03:54.260 movements came surreptitiously by making modest claims and then the moment you agree to them they

00:04:01.540 radicalize the claim so for example initially it's like listen we're weird but we want you to

00:04:07.220 tolerate us hold your nose and let us be because we need let us live our life the way we want

00:04:13.220 and the moment you said yes and they were like oh okay well now we're demand now we're saying that

00:04:17.860 there's no difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality the two lifestyles are the same

00:04:23.300 and should be treated neutrally and the moment you agree to that then they're like oh well

00:04:28.100 now you've got to acknowledge that we've been historically victimized for hundreds of years

00:04:32.100 so we deserve all kinds of special acknowledgments and treatments and we got a we got a we got a false

00:04:37.540 society for homophobia so what you see here is this three-step escalation and i call it tolerance

00:04:45.300 neutrality subsidy we saw the same thing with affirmative action um uh you know your racial

00:04:51.940 tolerance, then becomes racial equality, then becomes DEI. And so this is a trajectory I

00:04:59.420 observed. It occurred basically between the 60s and the 90s. Yeah. Do you think that's typically

00:05:06.740 feminine? Like that's kind of women pushing that? Sorry. Can you say that again? Do you think it's

00:05:14.200 kind of feminine that it's like women pushing that uh women pushing what like tolerance what

00:05:21.700 you just described oh i see what you mean is tolerance a particularly feminine virtue no i

00:05:27.660 would say no the um the virtue of tolerance initially was presented as a very masculine

00:05:34.200 virtue for the reason that it takes fortitude let me give you an example tolerance is kind of like

00:05:39.800 People are doing things that you really object to, but you're asked to have the moral fortitude not to let your normal feelings come out.

00:05:49.780 So tolerance in its pure form requires a lot of self-control.

00:05:54.120 Tolerance is not this easy, you know, everybody's the same, we don't really care about your lifestyle.

00:05:59.360 That second or like later version of tolerance is more indifference.

00:06:03.960 But genuine tolerance is something like, even though I strongly believe this, even though I strongly believe, for example, in, let's just say equality, I'm going to allow you to do the Nazi march in Skokie because I believe in free speech.

00:06:20.360 And so I'm going to tolerate you, even though it's going to actually cause me to, you know, it's going to cause me some indigestion to watch you with your Nazi flags who's stepping down the street.

00:06:30.760 But I'm going to put up with it because I'm tolerant.

00:06:32.680 right well okay this is a little off topic but i'm just kind of curious do you think we have

00:06:40.540 free speech in america today when sometimes the consequences are so high for saying the wrong

00:06:46.720 thing like if you say the wrong thing you get fired from your job or you could get um like

00:06:52.680 like i had a guy come on and tell his divorce story and um he's getting sued by his ex-wife

00:06:58.400 even though he's correct but it's like he's gonna have to pay a bunch of money to like tell his

00:07:02.960 story you know what i mean yeah so um well you know there's a legal idea of free speech right

00:07:10.880 which is simply government shall make no law restricting freedom of speech and so in that

00:07:15.280 narrow sense freedom is nothing more than imposing a limit on the government i think what you're

00:07:20.720 talking about is in a broader sense are we truly free to be able to speak up particularly on a kind

00:07:27.840 of controversial issues or issues that might upset other people and the truth of it is free speech

00:07:34.000 has always had uh consequences so the consequence might be that somebody uh you know develops a

00:07:42.240 lifelong hatred of you or if you say something at work then your you know your boss develops a grudge

00:07:47.760 and tries to demote you and uh so um this notion that uh that speech is powerful and carries with

00:07:56.080 it the ability to cause harm uh that's something that i think has been acknowledged for a long

00:08:02.960 time and is and remains true today yeah because i saw your episode recently on candace owens

00:08:10.000 yeah and just how you know it's it's kind of a tough line because you know even the stuff

00:08:15.360 she's pushing i would say it's like slanderous at this point well um right so i think in our

00:08:23.600 society better than any other the rules of being able to prove that are very hard so it'd be easier

00:08:31.120 for the macrons for example to prevail in europe where the laws are much more favorable to the

00:08:37.200 person who claims to be libeled or defamed in the united states you generally have to prove malice

00:08:42.960 so in other words you have to prove not just that candace owens is wrong uh not just that

00:08:48.320 Brigitte Macron is not a man. Not even that it was, I mean, she could even prove it was very

00:08:55.920 harmful to them. But if Candace Owens is able to say, well, I didn't know better. I tried to find

00:09:02.360 out and this is my best judgment. And I honestly think that she's a man. So you can't get liable

00:09:07.920 because you haven't proven intent. You haven't proven that Candace Owens knew that it was false

00:09:13.560 or that she acted with reckless disregard so the truth of it is we have a pretty wide latitude for

00:09:19.880 free speech here legally in this country more so than any other country i know right but it's kind

00:09:26.760 of like the winner is who has more money to waste right which is when we just take men's money right

00:09:33.160 no it's true i mean really what happens is and we have more time right we have more free time

00:09:40.080 because men do more work men do more work uh and uh usually well if you're talking about this

00:09:46.960 domestic litigation it is true that the wage earner i.e the man ends up putting the legal

00:09:53.140 bills on both ends i mean that's a very familiar uh that's a very familiar story in in domestic

00:10:00.380 litigation okay cool um so how have you seen politics change over time um from like the late

00:10:09.040 70s? I would say, you'd say the late 70s. I mean, I was a teenager in the 70s. Really, my politics,

00:10:19.700 because that seems to make me unbelievably ancient, and people might actually say,

00:10:24.160 this guy is remarkable. He's coming on Pearl's show. He looks middle-aged. He's actually 91,

00:10:28.940 but no, I'm actually not 91. I was 17 in 78. All right. Now, the thing is that I think the

00:10:38.340 main difference in politics is this, that in the Reagan era, we thought that the liberals and the

00:10:46.140 conservatives had the same general goal. They disagreed about the means, but they agreed. If

00:10:53.540 you were to take a poll, let's say at Dartmouth, which was a liberal campus, and say, should

00:10:59.220 America be strong? Should America be prosperous? Is America the number one nation in the world?

00:11:05.620 should we have law and order? Should we have safe streets? 99% of students would

00:11:11.680 have said yes. So the idea here is that the goal is shared. Now you might argue

00:11:18.160 about if the country is prosperous, how should you carve up the pie? Should you,

00:11:22.120 you know, should you have more domestic benefits and welfare benefits or less?

00:11:26.920 And that's what distinguished the left from the right. I think what's different

00:11:30.760 now is the left and the right really want to take the country in different

00:11:35.600 places. In other words, the goal is different. And therefore, it's more difficult to find common

00:11:41.220 ground. It's more difficult because because it's like in the old debate, it was like we all are

00:11:47.700 going to Chicago. We're debating about whether to take the plane or the train. Now it's like they

00:11:53.120 want to go to Chicago, but we want to go to Maine. So we are pulling in different directions.

00:11:59.780 Have you seen the growing divide politically between men and women amongst Gen Z?

00:12:03.720 What do you think is causing that?

00:12:07.460 In my view, it is a dislocation of, that is the sort of mutant outgrowth of modern feminism.

00:12:25.140 When feminism came along in a big way in the 70s and 80s,

00:12:29.980 there was a men's movement that developed in retaliation against it. But the men's movement

00:12:35.940 was not a repudiation of feminism. In fact, it was ultra feminism. If you look at all these men's

00:12:42.400 rights groups from the 1990s and early 2000s, they were all suing for things like, well, you know,

00:12:47.820 men should have custody too. I mean, men are just as good as women in raising children.

00:12:54.860 Well, they're better.

00:12:56.220 Or better, you know.

00:12:57.660 Better.

00:12:58.300 Yeah.

00:12:58.640 So the men's rights groups were basically saying the feminists are right.

00:13:02.660 These roles are interchangeable, but the rules are being applied in a one-way mechanism to

00:13:08.880 benefit women all the time.

00:13:10.500 They benefit women in divorce, but then they benefit women again on custody.

00:13:15.220 So everybody's equal when it comes to splitting incomes and inheritances, but everybody's

00:13:20.240 not equal when it comes to allocating the kids.

00:13:22.320 and so the men's rights movements were essentially demanding equality. Now nobody was arguing for

00:13:29.780 things that I see argued about today which is guess what this whole feminist thing needs to

00:13:35.600 be rooted out and we need some sort of a return to the a kind of patriarchal system that existed

00:13:43.640 before feminism. That was that was such a taboo position to hold throughout most of my adult

00:13:50.520 lifetime but it's i see it coming back into uh the mainstream if not to vogue uh these days so

00:13:57.480 that's new that to me is interesting and it's not something i've heard in 30 years yeah well it's

00:14:02.760 it's almost impossible though like they're never gonna i always would say repeal the 19th but

00:14:08.440 i don't think that'll ever happen it's not gonna happen and like it's almost pointless to talk

00:14:13.960 about uh um like i could see more fair custody laws being passed i couldn't see like abortion

00:14:22.920 being illegal like i couldn't see that ever happening in my lifetime well i think what's

00:14:28.600 happened is that uh some of these uh changes uh produce so much um transformation in people's

00:14:36.680 behavior that it becomes very difficult to restore the old system uh the old system uh it cannot be

00:14:45.720 it can be recovered to some degree uh but it has to be recovered under new conditions and so

00:14:51.320 we can't literally go back to the 50s you know we can we can learn from the 50s and say there

00:14:56.360 were certain things about the 50s that can improve our society now but also built into that system

00:15:02.840 And the 50s were a lot of limitations that we would not accept today, even conservatives.

00:15:08.220 So that's why I think the effort, I mean, there's an interest now like in old architecture,

00:15:14.680 old buildings, old lifestyles like New York in 1910, you know, and, you know, people essentially

00:15:22.000 are going to farm for their own food.

00:15:24.480 And I think these impulses are coming from a healthy place, but it's a mistake to think

00:15:28.580 that we're going to go back to the way the pilgrims lived.

00:15:31.320 Oh, it's impossible.

00:15:32.840 There would be a world war if you took away abortion or the vote, in my opinion.

00:15:37.400 I could be wrong, right?

00:15:38.720 That's just my opinion.

00:15:40.400 Well, the thing about it is the vote, in the old view, which this is really what you'd

00:15:48.560 have to argue if you were to repeal the 19th Amendment, you would somehow have to argue

00:15:52.460 that it is families that are represented by a single vote and not individuals.

00:15:59.840 but we've moved so far in the direction of like one man, one vote, and that the idea that any

00:16:08.520 limitations on the vote, whether it's property limitations, are a burden. So we've been for 30

00:16:15.080 years getting rid one after the other of these so-called burdens, but the burdens were once seen

00:16:22.120 as part of the logic of why voting should be structured in a certain way. And so as long as

00:16:28.880 define liberation as removing these burdens uh you're never going to see any kind of a return

00:16:34.960 well i guess i think that's where the mras come in that the solution to feminism

00:16:39.440 um i think from that point of view would be more feminism like if women have to enlist in selective

00:16:44.960 service the same way that men they may rethink the right to vote you know if women are start to

00:16:51.040 more men that put women on alimony and child support um like you might see women rethinking

00:16:58.000 that law if they're putting it to do i think that's kind of the idea you're saying that when

00:17:03.760 women have to suffer the same inflictions as men they would uh and they would they would begin to

00:17:08.880 rethink their their position on these things well that's interesting but you know look it's i don't

00:17:15.120 think that's actually going to happen and by that i mean i mean can you envision a society for

00:17:21.120 example where you know where you're going to have let's just say out of the 400 billionaires in the

00:17:26.880 the United States, like 340 are women and 60 are men. I don't see that happening. I mean,

00:17:33.100 literally ever. I mean, I could see women stealing it. Divorcing guys. Well, there you go. I mean,

00:17:39.780 truly, right? I mean, if you make a list of female billionaires and then you put that little

00:17:45.860 box that says source of wealth, I mean, I think we all know what the answer is going to be in that

00:17:51.940 box yeah it's just so embarrassing it's like i don't know why we keep doing this

00:17:57.460 all this women's empowerment and then our empowerment is stealing money from men

00:18:03.140 yeah now what do you what do you think is the better way i mean when you say it's embarrassing

00:18:07.620 you're saying it's embarrassing for women to play and be kind of humiliated in a man's world

00:18:14.180 is that what you're saying well i'm saying we draw so much attention i'm sorry is the echo

00:18:19.620 on your end i can like hear an echo so it's kind of hard for me to yeah i'm sorry i i hear you just

00:18:25.480 fine and uh i don't know i hear it in my ears but um i think i'm just like this better but

00:18:32.700 i i'm saying women you just kind of take a lot of l's and so for example um we don't raise as

00:18:39.620 good of children as men in fact we're like the primarily ones that abuse children um when we

00:18:45.260 You raise kids, they're more likely to be criminals, drug dealers, addicts, you name it, that's what we do.

00:18:50.460 Yet we have a whole day dedicated to mothers' kids, which draws attention to them.

00:18:54.800 Then we have international women's kids as opposed to highlight our accomplishments.

00:18:59.480 And just from where I'm sitting, I don't really see many other than robbing men.

00:19:04.780 That's pretty harsh.

00:19:06.580 And I don't know if I agree with that.

00:19:08.520 But I do think that when feminism set up this whole expectation, the underlying assumption was this.

00:19:18.000 If you remove discrimination, there will be just as many great female inventors as men, physicists as men, creative artists as men, chefs as men.

00:19:32.020 And in really every field, you're going to see the same outcomes because after all, you

00:19:40.200 know, men and women are fundamentally equal, equals maybe not in physical prowess, but

00:19:46.360 certainly equal in intellectual endowment.

00:19:48.920 Now, the problem with that was actually brought out by Charles Murray, my old colleague at

00:19:53.740 AEI, in his infamous book called The Bell Curve.

00:19:57.500 I'm not sure if you're familiar with this, but basically what he showed was that the male and female IQ, the bell curve, is not shaped the same way.

00:20:09.140 To put it in very simple terms, the women are bunched very much close to the middle, which is to say that you have male and females have the same average IQ, 100.

00:20:19.560 But women fall very closely between, let's say, 90 and 110.

00:20:23.820 and there's a small number of women below 90 and there's a small number of women over 110

00:20:28.620 but the male bell curve is flatter so what you're getting at is there are just a lot more male

00:20:34.480 geniuses and a lot more really stupid guys um and so as a result uh at the tail end of the bell curve

00:20:42.780 the which is the the upper end of the bell curve it's there's no competition between men and women

00:20:48.320 just because there are just far more men who, let's say, have an IQ over 130 than women?

00:20:55.100 Yeah, I don't believe that. I know that's what the tests say, but it's just when I look at women

00:21:01.500 and men in real life, I find that women, we just tend to find the most inefficient way to do things.

00:21:06.920 This is just off of my personal experience. I understand that academics have their point of

00:21:11.620 view, but yeah. Now, what do you mean by that when you say inefficient way to do things? How

00:21:17.780 are women inefficient what types of things do you refer what type of tasks are you referring to

00:21:22.420 well it would go back to like my sales job for example i used to work in sales

00:21:27.540 um and you just find women waste more time during the day where men go to work they make their calls

00:21:33.160 and they go home where women it's like they gossip at work they go by the water cooler etc etc

00:21:38.660 um you know we can't invent anything it just seems like whenever women have to get something

00:21:44.080 done by themselves we just can't seem to do it we always need the help of men seems like

00:21:49.680 yeah so you're saying even the old patriarchal division which basically said men are good at

00:21:58.000 running the world and women are good at running the home you're saying you disagree with that

00:22:02.220 you don't think women are good at running the home i think men are better at everything

00:22:05.560 wow i can't think of any i can't think of any i really tried um to find anything we could beat

00:22:14.100 men at i i really looked and i'm like men when they raise children they fear better than women

00:22:20.700 um even like top michelin chefs all men top trans people went into doing makeup and beat us how

00:22:29.220 embarrassing is that like all the top makeup influencers they're um they're not so it's like

00:22:36.580 until we can you know produce anything i just i have yet well pearl they really needed you in

00:22:46.020 some of those uh 60s uh you know consciousness raising seminars because you would have been

00:22:51.860 the absolute spoiler at the feminist picnic uh and uh and quite honestly i would have been on

00:22:58.020 the sidelines laughing my head off well i you know i didn't start with this opinion i just can't find

00:23:04.340 anything i've opened us suggestions but anything that we could do on our own that shows that we

00:23:10.500 could do better than men i just haven't i'm i'm still looking yeah yeah the uh well look the um

00:23:20.260 you know you need men and women in the world and um and um there is a there's a great reciprocity

00:23:26.900 between men and women. So I think you'll agree that if men and women can figure out a way to

00:23:32.640 work kind of in combination, it's pretty powerful. I mean, I'll give you an example. The men can do

00:23:38.920 the work and the women can nag. Well, no, they don't have to nag. I mean, women do have look,

00:23:45.300 you know, I would say that women intuitively are smarter than men. They have better judgment in

00:23:52.280 general of um they they are better at sizing up a situation i mean i say this partly just

00:23:58.920 reflecting on myself i mean i have some strengths but very often i am a little naive to sort of

00:24:07.400 situational awareness uh partly because my mind is not that way and so that's now again i'm not

00:24:14.600 saying it's because i'm a man uh it may just be because that's just how i am but we're talking

00:24:20.600 here about generalizations right in general men are this way in general women are that way and

00:24:25.960 i think these generalizations are true most people who observe the world can see that men and women

00:24:31.480 do have collective average differences that are physical intellectual uh perhaps even moral

00:24:39.400 across a wide range of spheres you know what this is uh let me see i see something about ted bundy

00:24:47.160 the love letters serial killers is that what we're looking at yeah i just don't know if we

00:24:52.920 have the best awareness when we're writing letters to ted bundy you know what i mean

00:24:58.120 right but remember that the women are writing these letters for ted bundy are writing it from

00:25:02.120 the safety of their homes so you have to look at it as a as a perverted fantasy and not as

00:25:10.600 a reckless social behavior because these women would not take the same view of ted

00:25:14.920 brandy was creeping in in their window i don't know i mean i i don't think it's just ted bundy

00:25:22.360 but i think i could even go into real life for like the guys getting in fights at high schools

00:25:28.200 i would say pulled more women than the guys that didn't for sure yeah so it's not just that

00:25:34.920 yeah yeah well i think that that i mean an evolutionary biologist would say that that is

00:25:39.560 because women are conditioned to select for strength

00:25:47.300 and not necessarily for intellectual qualities.

00:25:50.980 And so what happens is that in high school,

00:25:54.080 girls are attracted to the strong football player,

00:25:57.460 the male wrestler.

00:25:59.300 It's only later that they realize,

00:26:00.700 oh, gee, you know what, this guy,

00:26:02.340 this kind of dork in my high school is now like,

00:26:06.120 he's worth $30 million and I probably should have gone for him.

00:26:09.320 but you know he seemed so unattractive at the age of 16 that i couldn't even stand the guy

00:26:14.840 i mean that's a pretty common experience right yeah but then women just eat with the guys from

00:26:20.600 before it's like a common trope divorced man they get cheated on with the personal trainer with no

00:26:25.080 money even super wealthy i know a guy that works at one of these high-end chains and he's with all

00:26:31.000 the wallet you know what i mean yeah well it's um yeah i know um speaking of which elijah stock

00:26:40.760 sarah stafer shaper what did you think about that oh my goodness well um i don't know elijah all

00:26:48.440 that well i've been on his show a couple times and um and um i mean i i i'm i'm with you on this issue

00:26:56.680 that a lot of these conservative moralists particularly from the younger generation that

00:27:03.480 there is a lot of dark shadows in the background right and I think this was a classic example of

00:27:09.240 the dark shadows coming to the front and all of us kind of like especially those of us who are

00:27:14.760 kind of older where we're a little shocked you know we sort of sit back and we're like wow

00:27:19.880 this is all pretty sorted and these are the traditionalists so-called.

00:27:26.280 What do you think about women in politics in general?

00:27:31.560 Well, look, I mean, women have been young. When I came to Washington DC, this was in the early 80s,

00:27:43.800 there were a lot of young guys and a lot of young women attracted to politics. Part of it

00:27:48.840 it was the patriotism of the Reagan years. And so there were a lot of young women who came into

00:27:54.500 politics at the younger level, meaning they came in to be administrative assistants, they came in

00:27:59.880 to be legislative aides or L.A.s on the Hill, they came in entry-level jobs in the White House.

00:28:06.820 Now, interestingly, over the years, I noticed that the proportion of women shrunk. And by that,

00:28:12.940 I mean, they would go off to grad school or they would go off, get married and move to Ohio.

00:28:18.840 so the male proportion became larger over time but at the entry level it seemed to me there were

00:28:26.520 just as many women as there were as there were men um i do think that the dc world is pretty

00:28:33.160 sorted and so uh because it's all about what can you do for me it's it's utilitarianism

00:28:39.960 it is if you go to a meeting you'll see that people are looking over your shoulder to see

00:28:44.440 if there's somebody more important that they could be meeting and why are they talking to you when

00:28:48.280 they should be talking to that guy across the room this is a widespread sentiment and the women feel

00:28:53.960 it even more because if you are a woman and you're not your husband's not a congressman

00:28:59.720 or or you're not important in your own right uh you actually are uninteresting to the entire

00:29:07.080 society of washington dc sorry could you expand on that a little more also do you have phones

00:29:15.800 um let me see if i i got phones um i mean we have some here but can we get these to

00:29:26.360 please work hang on i'm going to grab them there but i they're telling me the fact that was because

00:29:32.200 it's i think you're on speakers and so it's reverbing yeah okay um i don't think that this

00:29:38.760 can that'll work okay it's all right if not i just might mute you when i ask a question

00:29:44.600 yeah yeah that's fine too hold on we're gonna just try and see if we can get this to work

00:29:49.640 i'm not sure if we can no no no okay yeah we just we're not set up all right let's go with

00:29:57.780 the muting option perl i think that's okay that's okay we'll work with it it's fine yeah

00:30:01.880 um sorry about that uh sorry could you expand a little more on that you're saying that

00:30:07.420 Well, I was saying that in the company town called Washington, D.C., the value that you bring to any social conversation is how important are you and what can you do for the person you're talking to.

00:30:30.860 They're measuring it very much just in terms of what can this person do for me in terms of influence or power or promotions or money.

00:30:39.680 And it's a comparative survey.

00:30:42.120 So if you're in a room of 50 people, the person talking to you is surveying the room and basically saying, I'm talking to Dinesh.

00:30:50.420 Well, he's a seven. He's an important guy because, you know, he's the editor of this magazine or he works in the Reagan White House.

00:30:56.400 but guess what that guy over there uh is an assistant to the president i would rather be

00:31:01.660 talking to him if i could be how do i navigate my way over there next that's what i mean they're

00:31:06.600 constantly running a calculation right but i guess i'm asking with like women in politics

00:31:13.460 do you ever think it brings like i can't remember her name i can't remember her name

00:31:18.800 but it just seems like when women go into politics there's a lot of drama that comes with it

00:31:24.180 because men tend to like, like to get things done where women tend to like drama. It's kind of when

00:31:31.480 I knew Candace Owens was going off the rails because her audience turned female. Usually

00:31:36.360 it's a lot more on facts, data, and statistics when it's like men. Then there was a politician

00:31:43.060 recently. I can't think of her name. Oh, this is going to bother me, but she's bringing her like

00:31:48.620 nudes into Congress and like suing her ex-boyfriend. It was this whole thing.

00:31:52.520 And it just seems like women kind of bring drama into politics rather than getting things done.

00:31:58.960 Do you do you agree or disagree with that?

00:32:03.100 I agree in general. I do think that that's not I think I've I've I've seen women who are that way.

00:32:11.760 And I've also met women who are low drama.

00:32:15.040 There was a very funny, well, in a way, very profound paper that was published many years ago, a scholarly paper.

00:32:20.960 and it was about the question of why old people go on and on and on they talk so much right

00:32:27.760 no no it applies to the topic we're talking about the simple answer was old people have more time

00:32:35.600 yeah right yeah old people time is less valuable for them and so they spend an awful lot of time

00:32:42.600 about what things were like in like 65 and you know uh when the beatles released their first

00:32:48.340 album and where they were and what it meant to them. And they go on and on because time is less

00:32:53.620 valuable to them. Apply the same logic to men and women. And I think in general, you'll find

00:32:58.820 that I think it's true for women, the value of time is less. And so as a result, you're going

00:33:05.180 to have more conversation, more shooting the bull, more drama. And for men, I think that the

00:33:12.400 value of time is generally assigned to be higher and this kind of thing is seen as a waste of time

00:33:19.000 like to me I'm actually pretty good in like small talk and stuff but I don't like it I feel like

00:33:23.800 it's wasting time now I recognize that there's a necessary function to it and I do perform the

00:33:29.360 function but I do it like reluctantly and I avoid situations with a lot of small talk like I don't

00:33:34.920 want to I hate to go to a party where I'm drifting all the time from one small talk to another small

00:33:40.280 talk, I feel like like putting a gun to my head at the end of it. I don't mind small talk as a

00:33:45.680 portal to like real talk, but small talk for its own sake to me is very painful. Well, I think

00:33:52.460 that's a general sentiment amongst men. I think if you asked, like you pulled men and if we could

00:33:57.200 get rid of small talk forever, they would agree or disagree. I think most men would agree, though.

00:34:03.440 Well, you know, C.S. Lewis, the writer, makes a point about male friends and it illuminates this

00:34:09.280 point what he says is that you could have two guys who have known each other for 30 years

00:34:13.680 right and and they are drawn by certain common interests whether it is you know they're obsessed

00:34:20.780 with literature or they they both care about politics it could be anything it could even be

00:34:25.340 like they like bird watching or whatever but he goes the remarkable thing is 30 years into their

00:34:30.640 friendship they don't know basic facts about each other like one guy may not know the names of the

00:34:37.460 other guy's kids yeah or even how even how many he has yeah so men actually aren't really good

00:34:44.080 he's my he's my best friend really how many kids does he have i don't know beats me i mean it's

00:34:50.080 not that they couldn't even approximate they don't even have a general idea so that is very

00:34:56.040 much the essence of male all you know purely male relationships and i think inconceivable that would

00:35:02.280 be for two women. Yeah. Um, okay. So let's say, I'm going to mute you for a second. Okay. Let's

00:35:11.460 say you met a young Charlie Kirk, uh, 25 years old, ready to make an impact on the world. What

00:35:18.020 advice would you give to him about professional and personal relationships? Well, on the professional

00:35:25.580 side, Charlie was, I think, an innovative genius. He was great at, he was very good at building an

00:35:35.860 institution, which is not easy to do. There was another organization that was the kind of

00:35:41.720 conservative campus organization. In fact, I spoke for it for 25 years on many, many campuses. They

00:35:46.720 were the dominant group. And Charlie just kind of effortlessly eclipsed them. It's kind of like

00:35:50.960 they were chugging along in their Hyundai and, you know, here's Charlie's Ferrari, Zoom,

00:35:55.600 he went right by them. So you couldn't improve on that. Charlie was just a genius at that.

00:36:02.000 He was not an intellectual of any kind. I mean, he obviously dropped out of college,

00:36:05.960 but he was very good as an entrepreneur and institution builder. So I would not advise,

00:36:11.140 I would just tell him to keep going in the lane that he was in. Now, oddly enough, in Charlie's

00:36:16.560 personal life it was a little more tricky and I wasn't close to Charlie so I don't claim to be

00:36:21.520 like somebody who was surveying his personal relationships so any of that but I do know both

00:36:27.220 direct from direct observation and from a couple of people I know who are big donors to Charlie

00:36:31.640 whom I know quite well that they were trying to set him up you know with different uh with

00:36:37.240 different like well-established society women uh but Charlie was a little too awkward and so the

00:36:43.220 girls would run away and they would basically say no no he's not our type and so on so um so that's

00:36:49.460 all i know about charlie in the personal domain um and so maybe if he had asked i would have given

00:36:56.520 him more advice in that area but it never really came to that well i'm sorry i've met someone like

00:37:02.520 charlie kirk like young and ambitious like what advice would you give them for the future not

00:37:07.160 charlie in particular oh right right so i you know i think that for someone who for a young man

00:37:14.440 a la charlie who's like making their way in the world um i would say in general that if they want

00:37:22.920 to have a traditional life which is to say a wife and a family uh they are much better off marrying

00:37:30.040 a traditional woman who is a homemaker and a mom than they are marrying a kind of career,

00:37:37.720 a person in some rival or even non-rivals, even some other career, like a dentist,

00:37:43.720 because the added value of that to what they're doing is very low compared to the great value

00:37:52.600 that you would have from somebody who is going to have a nice home, look after your kids, and build

00:37:58.120 a life alongside you as opposed to running in a parallel lane um do you think that traditional

00:38:05.960 women even exist in 2026 because wouldn't in order to be i gotta i gotta mute you for a second

00:38:12.840 wouldn't um in order to be traditional she can't have leverage

00:38:16.360 and just entering into the marriage contract she'd automatically have leverage

00:38:20.760 well let me put it this way i grew up in a very traditional society because not only did i grow up

00:38:32.440 in a different generation but i grew up in india so i grew up in a society where you know i had

00:38:40.000 you know it was a patriarchal society for my parents for my grandparents

00:38:43.820 Now, interestingly, my grandparents, my grandmothers were both very feisty.

00:38:51.880 They would never challenge my grandfathers in public, but they did kind of rule the roost in many areas.

00:38:59.260 They were the boss and the acknowledged boss in large domains of life.

00:39:05.120 And they did have a certain type of, when I say career, you have to understand, I don't mean career in the normal sense.

00:39:11.160 I don't think that's true, Doug.

00:39:12.400 Yeah, sorry, keep going.

00:39:13.820 Yeah, they didn't have a career per se, but they did have a sort of public life.

00:39:19.280 And the public life could be, you know, I'm involved in the women's odality or I have a bridge club or, you know, I'm doing this or I'm singing in church.

00:39:28.760 And so the point is that the things in a traditional society are not such that women have no public life.

00:39:38.160 The only thing is that their public life is subordinate to their private responsibilities and obligations.

00:39:45.600 And so in that sense, I do think it is quite possible to have a traditional life today.

00:39:49.880 It won't look the same as it did in 1920 or 1950, but it will be traditional compared to anything else that's there now.

00:39:59.820 Yes, I guess traditional compared to what's out there.

00:40:02.740 But I'm doing a documentary on divorce, and I've seen a lot of women that maybe start as traditional, but then they don't feel like being traditional later.

00:40:14.680 And so it just seems like even if you get a traditional woman, it's just going to be based on if she feels like it, and God only knows what we feel like every day.

00:40:22.540 you know? Well, I mean, I agree that if a woman is driven by vicissitudes of feeling alone,

00:40:32.780 you can't possibly have a traditional life, right? A traditional life is a way of saying that even

00:40:39.940 those feelings are going to be within a certain type of framework or lane. If I think of my mom,

00:40:44.920 for example, my mom was, she did work for brief periods while I was growing up, but generally not.

00:40:51.320 She was a mom, you know, of the three of us.

00:40:54.720 And I think that her feelings, which ran the gamut, nevertheless operated within a traditional sort of groove.

00:41:04.840 She never stepped out of that groove.

00:41:07.200 And in that groove, she saw women as having certain responsibilities and roles.

00:41:13.380 And, you know, she was protective of those, but she wouldn't think of trespassing outside of that.

00:41:18.440 Yeah. It's just tough now.

00:41:20.360 you're um you're the young guys are like they're competing now with men you know that are

00:41:27.640 very famous for the young women right they're competing with famous men they're competing with

00:41:32.440 the option of only fans like you know you hear that 10 of gen z women are on only fans and that

00:41:38.280 doesn't include sugar um sugar sites and like other sex work sites you heard that the estimated

00:41:45.080 it could be up to a quarter. No, I'm afraid I haven't heard that. And it is tough. I mean,

00:41:53.520 I think it's also tough because a lot of these young men want women to sort of look reverentially

00:42:00.680 up to them in a traditional way, but they're not able to provide the things that traditional men

00:42:06.840 have been able to for those women to feel secure. I mean, think about it. If a woman's basically

00:42:11.720 to say i'm not going to work uh i'm going to put myself at your mercy you're the provider you

00:42:17.320 deliver for the family well the man needs to be able to do that yeah but women can just need older

00:42:24.440 and then you can get a guy that does no i know well that's the point i think that's what you're

00:42:28.920 getting at is that in in a more traditional society that market of older men is not available

00:42:36.200 You know, I mean, if you think about it, if you lived in America in the 1940s and, you know, you were, let's just say a 25 year old, you didn't have any access to 45 year old or 55 year old men.

00:42:48.900 They were married. They had kids. And in fact, most of them were looking kind of old by then.

00:42:54.480 And so we are in a very different situation where older men have easier access to these younger women.

00:43:01.920 And it's obviously not, I don't think, a desirable or healthy situation.

00:43:05.540 But it's almost like it's become a market of a kind that is very distasteful.

00:43:11.100 Oh, and the other way around, too.

00:43:13.260 I mean, these old broads are dating these young guys, too.

00:43:16.500 It's like I've seen like an influx.

00:43:19.340 And I saw a couple the other day.

00:43:20.720 I couldn't even believe it.

00:43:21.920 It looked like his mother.

00:43:24.420 And how do you explain that?

00:43:26.320 Is that because the old broad had inherited a bunch of money and this guy was like, as

00:43:31.980 you say, a personal trainer?

00:43:33.520 What was going on there?

00:43:34.580 How do you read it?

00:43:36.420 The older, I mean, the women are usually good looking like for their age, but the guys their

00:43:41.540 age are dating like younger.

00:43:43.040 So if a dude's 45, he's going to date 30, 25, 20.

00:43:46.560 I mean, he can go all like as young as he wants.

00:43:48.860 So you get the 35, 40 year old women.

00:43:51.280 They don't get attention from their guys their age.

00:43:53.260 Well, guess who's not getting attention from the women their age?

00:43:56.320 the young men and plus they need to date casually and no they don't need to but a lot of them will

00:44:01.380 just date the old broads casually for a few months till they find their wife you know till they're

00:44:05.760 old enough to enter into the marketplace with the young hot women i see what you mean you're saying

00:44:10.100 that their own generation is rejecting them and so they're basically picking up kind of scraps

00:44:15.860 wherever they can get it it's uh very depressing if you think about it i mean you're burl you're

00:44:21.160 like a commentator in a very nihilistic age and and uh but it it's not an inaccurate description

00:44:28.380 of the world we see around us it's not good but it's where we are can you imagine like you go to

00:44:33.960 high school with let me show you hold on with you uh you go to high school with hold on you go to

00:44:42.440 high school with this cute girl in your class and you find out you lost you ask her out she says no

00:44:47.160 and you lost a spider-man like she's like a normal looking girl on the right like she's cute right

00:44:53.520 but not like a model and she's like 20 this guy's like i don't know 40 ish you know now you lost

00:44:59.860 your girl the spider-man imagine right right oh yeah no it's um it must be very disheartening for

00:45:08.800 for a young man to be in that situation that's for sure and here's the other way around i think

00:45:14.980 it was jessica i think it was i remember jessica alba from like the 90s a lot of guys do they love

00:45:22.900 her i don't think i've seen a picture of her recently is this her now yeah but you know she

00:45:28.980 still looks good but now she's dating the 20 something year old guy he knows this isn't his

00:45:32.820 wife right i think he's like there's an age gap with these two too um and you know he knows this

00:45:39.060 isn't his wife but she doesn't need a second husband because she already had her kids so

00:45:43.140 now they can just you know well you know i also wonder whether there is like an element here

00:45:48.980 and this is always the case with hollywood right that this is this is the way that the young man

00:45:54.340 gets himself photographed right because if he had a normal girlfriend however pretty

00:45:59.700 he's not going to be uh like in vogue magazine or he's not going to be on the runway but if he's

00:46:06.260 with jessica alba he might be yeah there is a she's jessica alba's 44 danny ramirez is 30

00:46:15.140 or it says 33 here i don't know it's around there but yeah also then all jessica alba's

00:46:21.700 uh fans are now going to slide in his dm so it's kind of a win-win because if it works out it works

00:46:27.220 out if it doesn't now all the jessica alba fans are probably younger better maybe not better look

00:46:32.260 she's really attractive back in the day but like good looking gals that now they're gonna slide

00:46:37.300 into his dm so it's kind of a win-win interesting wow um okay have you and you don't have i'm sorry

00:46:48.580 i keep forgetting to meet you um now you don't have to answer this if you don't want to because

00:46:52.500 this is a little controversial um have you heard of black fatigue and do you have it you can say

00:46:58.820 next. You don't have to answer if you don't want to. This is a topic that I'm more comfortable

00:47:05.780 with than any other topic you've raised so far. What I mean is I've actually written extensively

00:47:11.180 about race and civil rights. I wrote a book called The End of Racism. Now, I have seen by chance on

00:47:18.100 Instagram a website that's called something like, I don't know if it's called Black Fatigue or

00:47:22.980 something thereabouts but it is essentially videos of blacks doing ridiculous things and people

00:47:30.900 commenting on it uh and uh and my view of this by the way is that it is it is good to have websites

00:47:39.060 like this because this is actually part of what opens up a taboo subject of discussion that has

00:47:45.620 been suppressed ruthlessly since about 1964. And so taboos are not good, at least they're not good

00:47:54.500 for so long. I'm not against taboos at all, but this is too much. And particularly in an area

00:48:01.220 where, for example, whites are fair game, I think it's perfectly fine to see a lot more like candid

00:48:08.340 expression. Let people say what they really think. We do live in a free country. And a lot of this

00:48:14.020 behavior is abominable and we're supposed to pretend like it's okay i'm not going to pretend

00:48:18.420 it's okay it's not okay yeah i got black fatigue because i had a 100 black staff at one point oh

00:48:25.540 my god the biggest mistake i ever made in my life are you saying that it was it a miniature of like

00:48:32.100 the african national congress running south africa yeah i moved to london and there's a lot of um

00:48:38.500 africans there i lived in london for three years i saw the muslim stuff firsthand i lived in white

00:48:44.100 chapel don't know if you know where that's at but that's like the muslim stuff you talk about i

00:48:48.900 lived that but to the african i hired a 100 african or black american staff and i did it

00:48:56.340 wasn't intentional but yeah i got cameras robbed i got i was called a colonizer it was like a whole

00:49:03.140 thing. So I experienced that like firsthand. Well, I think what's happened is, and I don't

00:49:08.900 really, I think the liberals are to blame for this even more than the blacks. And that is this,

00:49:14.220 the liberals have spent half a century trying to convince black America that this country owes you

00:49:21.660 a living. Now, a lot of blacks believe it. And it's kind of comforting to believe it, right?

00:49:27.040 If any group, I mean, quite honestly, if I came to America, I knew nothing. I was not political.

00:49:30.940 i just got here and somebody were to say hey guess what india is a victim of colonization

00:49:36.700 by the british you know uh and so we're going to be sending you a check for like three thousand

00:49:42.100 dollars a month for the rest of your life i'd be like bring it on right in other words you know

00:49:46.460 i'm not gonna say no i didn't have any money uh you know i would be like wow this is fascinating

00:49:52.340 i'm really glad to hear that there are people who think this way uh and uh you know i'll be the

00:49:57.380 the happy recipient of all this great uh you know historical uh debt settling um i was very

00:50:05.140 impressed yeah yeah right so what i'm getting at is i don't really think it is strange that blacks

00:50:12.660 have quickly accepted the liberal thesis of their old reparations their own welfare and even after

00:50:18.900 you know trillions of dollars have been paid over the decades well i mean we're only just getting

00:50:23.780 started what they want. I want to get your reaction to this.

00:50:30.500 At the terminal ends with three women in handcuffs and tonight police say it all started over

00:50:36.120 baggage fees moments before a Philadelphia bound frontier flight. Deputies say the trio forced

00:50:42.360 their way onto the plane and when law enforcement told them to get off the plane, they refused.

00:50:46.940 CBS News Miami's Anna McAllister is your reporter live at Miami International Airport where the

00:50:51.000 outburst happen. Anna Lauren, just imagine this. You're just for your flight. You're waiting to

00:50:59.540 take off, but then three people on your flight, they get into it with deputies and the flight

00:51:03.740 staff, and then everyone is forced to the plane, including yourself. That's what happened over the

00:51:08.500 weekend when this flight, this frontier flight was heading to Philadelphia, and these three women,

00:51:12.280 they got into it with not only law enforcement, but the staff there. Check out this cell phone

00:51:16.520 video of the moment that these three women had to deboard the plane in handcuffs. Check this out.

00:51:31.000 This happened last night at MIA after 26-year-old Devonna Cochran, 21-year-old Diazana Cochran,

00:51:37.980 and 30-year-old Nafisa Dockery refused to get off their frontier plate. Now, according to the

00:51:43.700 arrest reports. It all started after a frontier worker told them they would have to pay for their

00:51:48.460 baggage. Investigators say that they refused and then got into an argument with the employee

00:51:53.180 after the employee told them that they would not be allowed on the plane unless they paid for their

00:51:57.820 baggage. They stormed onto the plane. Deputies were called. They went onto the plane and they

00:52:03.340 told the three of them that they had to get off. Well, the arrest report states that the deputies,

00:52:07.180 they asked them multiple times, but they refused. Law enforcement was then forced to have the

00:52:12.700 entire plane evacuated in order to arrest this trio. And during the struggle,

00:52:17.840 deputies say that Dockery spit on a woman. And we showed frontier passengers the video of the

00:52:23.320 women being escorted off the plane. Here's the reaction. It's really crazy. Like, it's disturbing

00:52:29.180 because why are you acting like this towards the workers? I mean, you know the rules and

00:52:33.260 regulations. When you read the flight, they give you all the information, the rules. You know,

00:52:36.840 you're supposed to pay for baggage. Why act like this? That's insane.

00:52:40.440 the group is charged with battery trespassing after after a warning and resisting an officer

00:52:47.520 they're expected to appear in bond court tomorrow and we did reach out to frontier and mia for their

00:52:53.600 you know it's bad in black people in black fatigue well that's true and look you know

00:53:02.700 i'm tempted to say i make jokes about spirit airlines or frontier airlines you know i won't

00:53:08.560 do that. No, you can't. You can't. It's a safe space. Yeah, I actually go in a little different

00:53:14.440 direction. So when I was at Dartmouth, this is going back to the 1980s, you would have the Black

00:53:21.740 Student Association. They would walk into the president's office, right? And these are all

00:53:27.180 kids from middle and upper middle class families. These are not like ghetto kids. And they would go

00:53:32.620 in there and they would kick over his waste paper basket and they would go sit in his seat

00:53:36.700 and they would take over his office and push him out.

00:53:40.300 And then he would come out and issue some statement

00:53:42.580 about how, you know, because of historical discrimination,

00:53:46.640 that's why these things take place.

00:53:48.300 And he was very, he would confess

00:53:51.080 that he's been insensitive to their needs.

00:53:53.460 So what I'm getting at is, think about it.

00:53:55.600 This is how you cultivate this kind of mentality, right?

00:53:58.960 What makes you think in a normal way?

00:54:01.260 What makes you think that you could,

00:54:03.240 let's say, force your way onto a plane?

00:54:04.860 Well, the answer is you forced your way into situations 20 times before and nothing happened to you.

00:54:10.520 You misbehaved and nobody said anything.

00:54:13.080 And so as a result, you feel the sense of immunity.

00:54:16.000 And then you get shocked when you're like in handcuffs because you're like, oh, the rules do apply.

00:54:22.020 What? I thought I was black.

00:54:23.960 So I think that's what's going on here.

00:54:26.820 And because of this societal sense of immunity that has been actually cultivated by the left.

00:54:33.760 I have one more. This is so bad. It's so bad.

00:54:39.720 I don't know if I really need it. Okay.

00:54:44.620 I'm going to go there.

00:54:47.100 Authorities in Georgia have suspended the license of a doctor who turned routine cosmetic procedures into dance routine procedures.

00:54:55.380 As Mark Strossman reports, patients have been complaining for more than two years now.

00:54:59.480 In video she posted online, Dr. Wendell Davis-Boutte is both dancing dermatologist and singing surgeon.

00:55:11.260 She mugs for the camera and raps with an unconscious patient inches away, cutting and cutting up in the same rhythmic moment.

00:55:20.640 But at least seven of her patients have sued her for malpractice, with scars that look more like butchery than surgery.

00:55:31.180 When I first saw those videos, I was completely shocked.

00:55:34.420 O.J. LeBurb's mother, Isolma Cornelius, went in for liposuction surgery in 2016.

00:55:41.160 He doesn't know whether the doctor was dancing during his mother's procedure.

00:55:44.780 But the 54-year-old patient went into cardiac arrest.

00:55:48.240 She suffered permanent brain damage.

00:55:51.340 When you looked at those videos, did you think the focus was where it was supposed to be, on the patient?

00:55:56.880 No.

00:55:57.560 What is your mother's future?

00:56:00.180 My mother's future is mainly bed rest, wheelchair sitting.

00:56:04.460 Davis Boutte has settled at least four malpractice suits, including with the Cornelius family, for an undisclosed amount.

00:56:11.960 But even this week, insisted she had done nothing wrong.

00:56:15.760 Would I go back and do anything differently?

00:56:18.240 No, because it was something unforeseen and unpreventable.

00:56:21.600 Georgia's composite medical board disagreed, this week suspending Davis Boutte's medical license.

00:56:27.540 It called her a threat to public safety and said she failed to conform to the minimal standards in the cases of seven patients, including Isoma Cornelius.

00:56:38.380 It just seems that there's a lot of arrogance of her to say, I didn't do anything wrong.

00:56:43.180 paramedics were called when cornelius went into cardiac arrest in the doctor's outpatient clinic

00:56:49.300 but the elevator so what's incredible is the arrogance here for me anyways i'm gonna let

00:56:54.140 you go but like this is what i mean it's like women we do a terrible job but then we draw

00:56:58.460 attention to the terrible job it's like if you just did a terrible job and didn't post that

00:57:03.240 online you probably would have got away with it but you the arrogant look how bad of a job i'm

00:57:08.040 doing everybody um yeah so what did you think of that i mean in my view there's two things going

00:57:13.580 on here one is there is this very irritating habit that is now developed in our society and by the

00:57:19.800 way notice this pearl with regard to ads you notice in in commercials these days people are

00:57:25.260 always dancing like her uh every commercial no matter for what people are doing these idiotic

00:57:32.720 dance they're not even great dancers but they're they're always it's like let it all hang out

00:57:37.680 whatever you're selling whether it's a medical product that's what so that's part of it the

00:57:42.800 other thing about it is the dei aspect of it which is to say if you're going to have dei you know

00:57:49.520 don't be a doctor like don't be a pilot right if you want to be because if you want to do dei like

00:57:55.600 go into sociology because what's the harm of a bad sociologist yeah but men i feel like men almost

00:58:03.060 can't help it it's like in their dna when they have a young pretty girl asking for help they

00:58:08.300 just want to help her get ahead they just want to i saw this video of the firefighters and it's all

00:58:13.660 these guys basically cheering on this woman through her like physical tests and i'm like

00:58:18.640 you're basically cheering her on to give you sexual harassment lawsuits later and take your

00:58:24.540 job in the future you guys are cheering but men they just the women smile and it's like they

00:58:29.740 it's almost like they can't help it well just as women have a certain you know i think you were

00:58:35.360 getting at this much earlier this kind of tolerance or compassion impulse men have this

00:58:39.820 sort of chivalric impulse which is to say that you know you you're a bunch of marines and you've

00:58:45.820 all done a test and the one woman is trying out can't do the test but you're going to egg her on

00:58:50.160 trying to help her out and get her over the fence you know that is in fact a male instinct uh now

00:58:56.320 i'm not saying that should be the admissions requirements but that is a human tendency on

00:59:00.800 the male side that's worth it's just part of the furniture of the male the male character uh what

00:59:07.040 do you think about what's going on in london um with all the immigration because i i lived

00:59:12.960 it do you know where white chapel is in london kind of yes yeah sort of i lived by that giant mosque

00:59:20.160 Yeah, I mean, I think this is a this is a bit of a, you know, it's a it's a bit of a warning, isn't it, to America, because the the problems in a lot of these European cities are it's almost like they've gone past a certain tipping point.

00:59:37.060 right and it's going to be difficult to get it back um and um i'm not even sure they want to

00:59:42.260 get it back because it's almost like europe has um lost its will to live as a as a civilization

00:59:53.300 uh and uh they are now almost willingly submitting to the you could almost call it more masculine

01:00:01.940 force of Islam, which has not lost the force of its original revelation. I mean, just think about

01:00:08.360 the true believers in Islam versus these effete characters like Macron and Keir Starmer, and even

01:00:16.660 in Canada, Tim Carney. I mean, these guys are such emasculated men, and they are representatives.

01:00:25.600 They're the leaders of these societies.

01:00:29.180 Yeah, it seems like it's impossible to fix.

01:00:32.460 It's almost like we're in the position where you kind of got to watch the world burn.

01:00:36.720 Because I like just living there.

01:00:39.220 I'm like, I don't know how you would get rid of all of the immigrants that are there.

01:00:43.220 Like there's first generation, second generation.

01:00:46.320 I lived in an apartment complex and I would see Muslims with like three, four kids.

01:00:50.540 I didn't really see that with British people.

01:00:53.820 That's part of it.

01:00:54.800 part of it is simply the inability of the society to say no and so for example you know if if you

01:01:01.360 or i were to go to the united arab emirates and we were to say we want to build the largest church

01:01:06.880 in the middle east right here in uae they'd be like well no you can't do that you you know we

01:01:12.240 allow churches and all but but we're not going to allow that because we're a muslim society

01:01:16.880 right so every other civilization reserves the right to say this is who we are and we're not

01:01:22.320 going to allow that, except us. And so Western society will say, well, we don't have any way

01:01:31.200 to stop you. If you buy the land with your own money and you build this mosque and it's the

01:01:35.500 biggest mosque in Christendom, well, I guess that's the way it's going to have to be.

01:01:39.540 So this unwillingness to protect the frontiers of our own civilist society, this is a very

01:01:47.060 pathological western impulse and i think it's less in america than in europe but we what i see it

01:01:53.140 even in this country oh god yeah i mean i'm in texas there's a lot here um okay the i want to

01:02:02.580 take questions from the audience if that's okay and then um my co-host had a couple of questions

01:02:08.900 too is that all right yeah let's take a couple and i'll need to sign out after that but okay let's do

01:02:14.120 Okay, so ask whether Ronald Reagan wasn't the one who introduced no-fault divorce when he was the governor of California.

01:02:24.400 Well, the answer is he, I wouldn't say he introduced it, but he as governor did sign it.

01:02:30.800 Now, he later said that he regretted it because he had, see, remember when Reagan was running, these so-called cultural issues had not, they were not in the forefront.

01:02:43.220 Even abortion was not in the forefront in the 60s.

01:02:47.060 It came to the forefront with Roe in 1973.

01:02:50.280 So the way Reagan put it is that you had all this marriage litigation.

01:02:55.220 It was all based on fault.

01:02:57.040 And so the courts had to figure out, like, who was the one who, like, did wrong in the marriage.

01:03:02.280 Not easy to figure out, by the way.

01:03:04.140 Mutual accusations flying back and forth.

01:03:06.560 And so the original appeal of no-fault divorce was that we won't get into any of that.

01:03:13.520 We'll kind of keep it simple.

01:03:14.840 We'll act as if both parties are equally to blame because we don't really know what was going on behind closed doors.

01:03:21.760 There was a certain kind of conservative appeal to it, and Reagan went along with it.

01:03:27.320 But I think he realized over time that it also, first of all, it created a lot more divorce.

01:03:32.260 uh and so he later expressed regrets but he was in fact the governor who did sign it into law

01:03:39.200 yeah and i had a child support officer on the show he was from california he was kind of going

01:03:45.020 through the history he said there was such a like backup like all the courts were backed up because

01:03:49.960 there were so many people that wanted to get divorced then exactly and um you know and also

01:03:56.280 a lot of times you know in in those days if you could prove infidelity the person who was unfaithful

01:04:02.120 got nothing so it would be a straight out each side would try to hire an investigator catch the

01:04:08.080 other person red-handed uh because you could then you know play that in court and it's like boom i

01:04:13.120 get everything i'd keep the house uh so there was a certain type of um there was something about the

01:04:19.780 old system that wasn't that great either uh and this was proposed as a reform and its effects

01:04:25.780 were not clear when reagan signed the law so she gets everything if he's unfaithful

01:04:32.100 common you all you would do is play the video boom and it would be like okay there you go

01:04:37.540 well what if she got fat like what is he supposed to do

01:04:43.940 hey he said um we need it um we met at ucla benny says we met at ucla a few days before

01:04:52.340 Trump first got elected in 2016. I'm sure he remembers it meticulously. You autographed my

01:04:58.680 book, Welcome to the Pearl World. I'm thinking of relocating to your son-in-law's district.

01:05:07.120 Congressman Brandon Gill, and he represents the northern suburbs of Dallas.

01:05:12.420 And he's the youngest congressman in the GOP at 31 and doing a great job. So I don't know whether

01:05:21.420 to tell you to relocate or not,

01:05:23.320 but you'll be well represented.

01:05:24.700 I'll tell you that.

01:05:27.020 Doug MPA is here.

01:05:28.420 He had one and two questions.

01:05:29.580 He could help with me sometimes.

01:05:32.040 So first off, Dinesh,

01:05:34.760 thank you for coming on the show.

01:05:36.320 I've been a fan for years.

01:05:38.180 One of my favorite things on your podcast,

01:05:39.880 you're talking about Marx ideology

01:05:42.100 and how that's tied to the immigration,

01:05:47.920 the mass immigration of Muslims to Europe.

01:05:50.560 that. Can you kind of outline that for the audience?

01:05:56.300 In classical Marxism, the division of society is just between the rich and the poor, or between

01:06:05.560 the capitalist class at the top and the working class at the bottom, right? It's a class division.

01:06:11.800 The innovation of modern leftism is to take that exact framework, but stick in a bunch of new

01:06:17.820 groups. So men become the oppressors and women become the victims. Heterosexuality is the

01:06:24.120 oppressor and homosexuality or LGBTQ is the victim. Or the native is the oppressor and the immigrant

01:06:33.040 is the victim. Or the West is the oppressor and the non-West is the victim. Or Christianity is

01:06:40.800 oppressor and islam is the victim and so what happens is that we're seeing many it's like an

01:06:48.080 accordion many variations on the marxist theme but with substitutions of new oppressors and new

01:06:55.520 victims exact same framework by the way uh and so so i would call this a certain type of neo-marxism

01:07:02.560 or it's called it identity socialism because it marries socialism with identity politics

01:07:08.480 but this is the connection between the broad marxist framework and the new way in which these

01:07:14.160 marxist categories are now applied but they're not just applicable to race i mean to class

01:07:19.840 they're applicable applicable now to race and gender and many other categories

01:07:25.280 awesome great answer this takes me to you've heard of the term suicidal empathy yes um you see

01:07:35.440 like why are the left because the the suicidal empathy like the left are prone to suicidal

01:07:45.280 empathy and that's why you see them marching against ice and all this garbage like why are

01:07:51.280 the left prone to suicidal empathy and like what can we do to change so much suicidal empathy

01:07:58.320 in the current society right now like what can we possibly do

01:08:01.760 So it seems like my friend Gad Saad is the advocate of this notion of suicidal empathy.

01:08:09.440 I would qualify it in a couple of ways, because I don't think that the leadership of the

01:08:16.160 left or the Democratic Party is guilty of any kind of empathy, suicidal or not.

01:08:23.520 Rather, it is a longstanding tactic of any kind of exploitation to prey upon the decency

01:08:31.680 of other people, right? Think of every con man. Think of everyone who's trying to sell you

01:08:37.200 something is preying on something that is decent within you, but applying it to an indecent

01:08:43.240 objective. And so this suicidal empathy per se, what you have is very cunning people who will say

01:08:53.020 things like, here, I'm about to invade your society, but you're too nice a person to object,

01:08:59.480 or I'm about to punch you in the face, but you're a Christian,

01:09:03.040 so you've got to turn the other cheek.

01:09:05.120 Yes.

01:09:05.660 Yeah.

01:09:06.020 So this is a way in which the ruthless people of the world,

01:09:11.120 who are not empathetic at all, they don't give a damn,

01:09:14.600 but they are praying, praying in the sense of P-R-E-Y,

01:09:19.080 praying on the empathy of others to essentially get them to go along

01:09:24.540 with their nefarious projects.

01:09:27.040 That's a great answer.

01:09:28.380 i can't believe i'm asking these questions i've been a fan of us for years okay okay and i i have

01:09:35.100 one last question i know you have to go okay mom donnie is mayor of new york new york is cooked

01:09:43.900 right how cooked is new york and what do you think in new york is going to look like in three to five

01:09:48.940 years well if we think about the so-called red green alliance where the red represents sort of

01:09:57.180 socialism or the commies and green represents islam um i am more concerned about the green

01:10:06.780 part of it than the red and i think uh mom danny can do more damage in that area uh that so he

01:10:14.300 doesn't have you know control over taxes in new york um there's the governor is far more powerful

01:10:20.620 than mom danny yes he can put some city levies and that sort of thing so so but i don't think

01:10:26.780 that in terms of, like, fiscal policy,

01:10:29.060 Mamdani is going to be any worse than, say, de Blasio.

01:10:31.500 I mean, you can't get worse.

01:10:32.700 De Blasio is horrible.

01:10:34.140 Mamdani will be just as horrible.

01:10:36.380 But I think the difference is that Mamdani will promote,

01:10:39.680 in very subtle ways, and he's very good at it,

01:10:42.220 the Islamization of New York.

01:10:44.920 I mean, you just see it already, right?

01:10:46.640 He has some, like, staff meeting.

01:10:48.200 Everybody is, like, sitting on the ground on, like, a prayer rug,

01:10:51.220 you know, and they're all eating out of their hands.

01:10:53.220 And so the symbolism already is different, even now, in the short time he's been in office.

01:10:58.400 So it's quite possible that New York will look more like Qatar in five years, just in terms of the public symbolism of it.

01:11:11.480 You're going to see a lot more of the call to prayer, and you're going to see a lot more just cultural Islamization is part of what Mamdani is all about.

01:11:22.700 my wife calls them a human victory arch because uh just as muslims have built victory arches all

01:11:28.300 over the world when they've typically conquered places it's almost like in this case you have

01:11:33.100 this walking victory arch and his name is zoran mamdani yeah i think what another thing that could

01:11:41.100 picture what you're talking about is um i i grew up in um a bromley white neighborhood and

01:11:47.580 And it was a military suburb. And the 10 years I was there, the military officers moved out, but then a bunch of LDS Mormons moved in. So I had a special kind of dislike for Mormons. And when the Olympics happened in Salt Lake City, I was like, oh, here we go. And sure enough, now we have LDS all over the place. So I think that's kind of what you're talking about with it being a mayor of New York, right?

01:12:16.020 sorry what did you say oh i said um you know i i had a really bad experience with mormons growing

01:12:23.740 up and so when they had like i can't stand mormons myself so when they had the winter olympics in

01:12:30.180 salt lake city i was like oh man because that had a big international event in salt lake city that

01:12:36.340 exposed a bunch of people to lds and i think that's kind of what you're saying when it comes to

01:12:41.300 mandami in new york city just the exposure and the the making it and and the normalization of

01:12:50.980 islam in new york city correct yeah i mean let me leave you guys with this thought i think if

01:12:56.280 sharia law ever comes to america it's not going to look like bin laden or mullah omar who was the

01:13:04.740 old mullah from the Taliban. It's going to look more like Mamdani. I mean, this guy's like chic.

01:13:11.200 You know, he grew up in Uganda. He's part Indian. You know, he eats curry. You know, he makes really

01:13:17.680 good social media videos. So if Sharia comes to America, it's going to wear more of an American

01:13:24.260 face, which is why we need to be more on guard, because it's not going to perhaps look like the

01:13:29.700 stereotype of what people expect. I never even thought of that. Awesome. I've been a big fan

01:13:36.460 of yours for years, Janesh. Thank you for coming on the show, man. I'm kind of fanning over here.

01:13:41.620 Thank you so much. Hey, I appreciate it. Keep up the good work, man. You've been a game changer

01:13:47.140 for so many people out there. I hope you know the impact that you've made. I've been a fan of yours

01:13:51.780 for years, man. Thank you for coming on the show. Hey, it means a lot. Thank you very much.

01:13:56.160 where can the people find you follow me on x at dinesh d'Souza check out my weekly show it's

01:14:02.400 called dinesh i do it uh it's on x it's on rumble it's on youtube it's also on apple and spotify if

01:14:09.440 you want to listen in audio so and then i'm working on a new film project which actually ties into

01:14:14.560 these issues of islamization that we've been talking about so look look out for that it'll

01:14:19.300 be out probably out in the fall cool well guys make sure you subscribe to his channel follow

01:14:24.880 him on X. Thanks for coming on. Come back anytime. Love it. Thank you. Bye.

01:14:33.640 Awesome. That was fun. I knew that would make your day. Yeah, man.

01:14:39.220 I knew we were going to talk after this. We might as well do it here.

01:14:44.260 Yeah. So guys, here's the thing with people like Dinesh. You have to be willing to hear

01:14:51.320 differing opinions on things and i don't agree with dinesh all the time but look guys i'm i'm

01:14:58.760 in my mid 40s so he was one of the voices that were against just liberal mainstream garbage

01:15:08.160 you know what i'm saying and like i didn't agree with everything but the fact that he was making

01:15:12.400 the effort and coming out with all these different documentaries and just presenting a different

01:15:17.100 point of view you know you you need people like that and also remember he he's another one of

01:15:23.660 those where he's been speaking out against the european immigration thing with for years and

01:15:29.300 there have been key issues with dinesh he sounded kind of like the the odd person or the crazy

01:15:35.220 person but then fast forward to 10 years later and he's right about a lot of stuff yeah i'm gonna

01:15:41.920 be honest i'm i'm kind of new to his work but it's he's a cool guy seems really intelligent

01:15:48.480 go into his stuff not expecting to agree with everything but just you know he's he he comes

01:15:55.680 from a time where people didn't talk like him or or or he would he he guys like him were kind of

01:16:05.040 like the red pill was a Tom Micas where Tom Micas would, would be red pill on, on radio.

01:16:12.680 Dinesh was kind of like that where he, he would be right wing in a time where, you know,

01:16:18.740 it could be risky to beat it, to have that kind of voice. He's still going, you know?

01:16:25.740 Yeah, guys, people are putting stuff. Okay. Communists is a good, good word on here. Definitely

01:16:31.100 not censored on youtube definitely if that definitely if the ai picks up you disparaging

01:16:35.300 it whatsoever um yeah guys when people come on i i i'm always going to be respectful so

01:16:42.620 your questions are kind of rude i'm not going to ask them you know if if they start being rude

01:16:47.880 he wouldn't but like if they start being rude to me i might go but there's one or two where

01:16:53.540 like guys i'm not asking him that the questions in the chat

01:17:00.900 the

01:17:04.980 but yeah that was a fun interview i hope he comes back another time yeah you you introduced him a

01:17:10.660 little bit to the red pill like he had to kind of tread lightly a little bit

01:17:14.020 it's too bad the stupid echo um that was my fault i i didn't notice it before

01:17:22.920 like i talked it really quick and i just didn't notice it um the but a lesson learned next show

01:17:29.420 i'll i'll make sure i do a more um a better mic test before but anyways um

01:17:35.900 the my favorite part is when i said women aren't better at anything and i don't believe iq tests

01:17:42.000 i like what he said about uh new york he's right man like you're gonna have these

01:17:49.840 liberal like what he said about you know the whole muslim thing it's not gonna look like

01:17:57.100 you know a bunch of guys trying to subjugate women you know and lock people in cages and

01:18:02.660 stuff it's not it's gonna be more of this liberal i never even thought about that man

01:18:07.300 i was glad that you asked that those questions because it's just a little like i don't follow

01:18:14.160 new york politics that closely other than women getting like beat on the subways so i was

01:18:19.720 that's all i know is these women are getting beat so i'm like i'm like doug mpa i'm gonna

01:18:27.640 have you ask these questions because i'm just gonna sound so dumb talking well you know all

01:18:32.100 you have to know is guys new york is cooked so actually uh in dallas so so many um companies

01:18:41.560 have either left new york or are going to leave new york that there's something in dallas called

01:18:47.980 y'all avenue um y'all avenue it's it's gonna be like the new kind of um wall street but in

01:18:58.640 in in dallas um yeah y'all no y'all street the history and future of texas finance i would love

01:19:08.980 to see dinesh 1v1 with paul elam with your on your channel as the moderator i would do that if

01:19:14.680 he was down i don't know if he'd do it but i would do it um sorry i just read a super chat you can

01:19:22.380 keep going doug oh yeah yeah but the the governor of of new york is recognizing how many businesses

01:19:30.080 are leaving and how much revenue because because people forget wow we we already established the

01:19:36.960 other day that like white men pay like 70 something percent of the taxes in this country

01:19:41.640 and like corporations still pay the most of taxes right well a bunch of corporations are moving out

01:19:49.340 new york to the point where the governor is like what is going on in new york city we got to do

01:19:54.300 something to keep these businesses here and they're all going to y'all street in dallas major

01:20:01.580 major firms and institutions are moving or expanding to dallas including goldman sachs

01:20:06.460 wells fargo charles schwab and fidelity huh y'all street there's gonna be a new texas stock exchange

01:20:17.740 and high-rise towers in north in north dallas texas huh okay well i'm down i want more stuff in

01:20:27.020 texas um the yeah because i feel like honestly the downtown in dallas has a lot of space like

01:20:34.500 there's just a lot of empty it seems like a lot of stuff closed down like restaurants and old

01:20:38.760 office buildings so i i think there's a lot of room for people to come in um so it'd be kind of

01:20:45.060 lit if like a bunch of big companies came in uh someone asked me what i'm going on whatever

01:20:52.360 um i mean i'd go on but i just i'm not really gonna go out of my way you know what i mean

01:20:58.380 like if i was in town and i had an extra day i'll do it but i'm just not dying to argue with these

01:21:05.340 broads so yeah and guys i mean what what do you really want to hear pearl going back and forth

01:21:13.220 with frickin' 19-year-old OnlyFans girls about?

01:21:16.840 Would it even be productive at this point?

01:21:20.380 Well, people love watching me dunk on them.

01:21:22.820 He'd probably make more money.

01:21:25.200 Okay, touche.

01:21:27.120 All right, well, thanks for tuning in, everybody.

01:21:31.980 Doug MPA, you got any final thoughts?

01:21:34.120 Yeah, guys, once again,

01:21:36.940 Danese is one of the best things you can do.

01:21:39.300 Follow his work and just don't expect to agree with him

01:21:42.840 on everything but remember he how old is dinesh d'souza d'souza age um yeah he's 64 years old and

01:21:56.300 he's been talking like this for a long time and he comes from an age where you know there weren't

01:22:02.880 there weren't a lot of people speaking like him and the fact that he's still going you follow his

01:22:08.520 work but just don't expect to agree with all of them all of his views and you'll really appreciate

01:22:14.080 what he's doing oh actually before we go i want to show you some woman um giving up giving me

01:22:20.100 more content and keeping me employed forever did you see what brett cooper said we got a couple

01:22:26.160 things so we got first off we got mikaela peterson thirst trapping with a baby bump which is

01:22:31.120 incredible on a jesus cross like that's pretty low on the tits am i right like isn't that kind

01:22:39.900 of incredible um she's gonna have to have c-section because of those herpes

01:22:45.920 this one i am a new mom my baby is only six months old i can only speak to my own experience

01:22:55.400 and this is coming from somebody who you know has always wanted to be in i still got home from the

01:22:59.920 hospital 24 hours after giving birth and i felt like a shell of a human being i was so in love

01:23:05.200 with our baby but i have also in those early weeks i have never felt so disconnected from me and my

01:23:10.640 body and yes there were a couple of times where when i had 10 minutes by myself and i would stand

01:23:14.660 in the shower i would cry and think i don't know if i could do this i don't know if i've made a

01:23:18.160 mistake because the adjustment was just that hard i think a lot of that honestly is just normal

01:23:22.600 because of the insane hormone crash that you have after giving birth because of the trauma that your

01:23:26.440 body literally goes through giving birth you have a wound like the size like of this in your stomach

01:23:30.420 but that was a sacrifice that was so clearly worth making to me and it did take me about

01:23:34.980 five-ish months literally just like february january to even feel like brett again i am

01:23:39.920 blessed with such a remarkable village and i still felt awful and so now i want to ask you

01:23:44.520 to imagine how mothers might feel if they don't have these same resources their frustration makes

01:23:49.840 sense uh look at and i'd like to actually say this in the most humanizing way possible

01:23:55.820 A lot of women think that they like their husbands and they don't.

01:24:00.040 And once they get the baby, they realize they reproduce with a beta, unfortunately.

01:24:05.180 So women, the same way guys, they can't really help it after they nut in a girl and they don't like her the same.

01:24:11.060 Some women, they have your kid and they just don't view you or look at you the same.

01:24:15.720 The only way you can really tell if a girl likes you is if you take away the incentives and see if she stays.

01:24:21.600 however even if eventually when she gets what she wants that's when the rubber meets the road and

01:24:27.720 you get to see does she like you unfortunately most women don't like most men um they might like

01:24:34.020 you know that's just you know it's just life it's the way we're wired we're not meant to reproduce

01:24:38.200 with most men um and the thing is with women we got to shut up like sell that dream look at you're

01:24:45.700 in this you're in this hole sell that dream to your husband and don't embarrass him on the internet

01:24:51.200 Just like, you know, your husband doesn't need to come out and say, look, I banged hotter girls.

01:24:56.240 I probably would have preferred them.

01:24:58.840 But, you know, she was nice enough and I, you know, put her through a bunch of shit for a decade.

01:25:04.300 And now, you know, this is good enough for me.

01:25:06.880 I tried to do better and I couldn't.

01:25:11.600 They don't do that to us.

01:25:13.220 So, ladies, we got to shut up.

01:25:15.520 You know what I mean?

01:25:16.260 Doug MPA.

01:25:16.780 uh guys you um a woman you'll only see how a woman really is when a want to situation turns

01:25:26.600 into a have to situation that's why they change when you get married and when you have a kid with

01:25:31.740 them because they feel like they have you now right that and um uh remember guys modern women

01:25:39.920 have been sold this lie that men have done nothing but wrong women and men are nothing

01:25:46.040 but a source of pain and anguish now you guys have a debt you have to pay to women a debt

01:25:52.600 now well first off that's bs second off the problem with the debt is that it's completely

01:25:58.360 intangible and based on feelings and she will really come to to collect on that debt once a

01:26:04.360 baby is born because all she's heard is how how how how men don't contribute to their kids lives

01:26:10.360 men are gonna leave women have to do all this emotional labor and stuff she will make you pay

01:26:15.240 the price guys when she has that kid from right-wing girls they really think of kids as like

01:26:21.220 special and awesome and they have this like angelic view of being a mother and it's actually

01:26:26.080 very difficult um and when you talk to there's uh a trad wife i talk to on the regular and when i

01:26:33.660 ask her about kids she's like god it was so much fucking work like you know it's not this oh it

01:26:39.340 was special and like that you know what do you know what i'm saying like it's just a different

01:26:43.280 way they talk about it she's like like yeah i love my kids uh but it was a lot of work like it's uh

01:26:50.320 you know and so the the problem you get with women online a lot is they think it's gonna be like

01:26:57.280 like a handbag in a way they don't realize it's completely uprooting your life you know yeah and

01:27:03.520 here's the thing a lot of women the they want control in a relationship in a marriage they

01:27:08.800 They want complete and total control, which is why, you know, all these guys have a honey-do list and they simp so much.

01:27:14.700 You can't control if a child gets sick, if a child has need.

01:27:19.060 You can't control that.

01:27:21.660 And women get pissed off and stuff.

01:27:23.920 Nothing is going to go your way all the time with a child.

01:27:27.560 Once again, a child's going to get sick.

01:27:29.560 A child's going to do all these things.

01:27:30.720 And you have to just react instead of being proactive.

01:27:33.300 And women get upset.

01:27:35.320 They get pissed.

01:27:37.440 Yeah, I agree.

01:27:38.300 So it's going to be tough for her because the other thing, too, is she's going to be surrounded by high status men.

01:27:45.260 I mean, she's in the like conservative circles. Right.

01:27:49.380 And she's going to be constantly comparing her husband to the men around her.

01:27:53.300 And I think I think her husband's losing right now based on her behavior.

01:27:57.540 Do you think that a woman like her is is more likely to leave before she has a kid or after she has a kid?

01:28:08.300 um after but i don't know if she'll i don't even know if i predicted divorce because

01:28:14.080 i i think if she does it it'll be older because she's just got too much money to make on this

01:28:20.840 conservative brand like she got married for her brand right i i don't think if she stayed as like

01:28:30.840 a college girl and like got a normal job as an actress in la i don't think she would have got

01:28:34.920 married and had a kid. I could be wrong, right? That's just my take on it. So because she kind

01:28:43.000 of did what her, she became a slave to her audience. She's kind of going to have to spend

01:28:48.140 the next decade being a slave to what her audience wants. And I can even speak like being in like a

01:28:54.120 similar position. It's very difficult to like go against your audience because it's like there's

01:29:00.240 a parasocial relationship people feel let down by you um and i don't i i just don't i think it's

01:29:08.540 gonna be like another decade or maybe i think she'll do a sage steel in my opinion you know

01:29:16.060 yeah yeah say steel what does she do i know the name yeah so i like you know um by the way i'm

01:29:24.460 somebody, I can disconnect what you do sexually and in your marriage from who you are as a person.

01:29:31.500 I'd like to say, and I don't think I make this clear, I don't really have a problem if women

01:29:35.840 whore. As long as they pay for it, they expect to be bailed out. If women want to divorce their

01:29:42.200 husbands, I think it's better to stay together for the kids, but some women are so insufferable,

01:29:49.060 maybe you need two houses. I don't think it's good for kids to watch a weak husband,

01:29:53.720 so i'm not stated i used to be like that but i got a little older i saw more situations

01:29:58.740 um and i've just there's too many like men that are just slaves to their wives i don't think

01:30:05.240 that's good either now okay sage steel she was with her husband for like 20 years and she was

01:30:10.780 the breadwinner she got all of her career got all that she eventually divorced him and then

01:30:15.780 remarried right after so she got to be around the high status men for like 20 years pick her

01:30:21.820 favorite um and then now uh remarried now she's got a new husband that's kind of what i would

01:30:32.140 guess i could be wrong but um that's that's kind of what i would guess i'll unmute you

01:30:39.580 is i think she'll milk the marriage a little longer um i don't know if she'll have more

01:30:45.260 than one kid i think maybe two uh yeah yeah yeah yeah i'd say two she's got too much going on to

01:30:53.480 in my opinion um because that's why she didn't feel like herself is because she's used to like

01:31:01.340 being the center of attention and doing all this cool stuff and like as soon as you have a kid

01:31:05.340 you're not the center of attention anymore you know yeah i agree and that's sad because that's

01:31:10.920 on the left and the right there's just narcissism when it comes to modern women and like women on

01:31:16.360 the left and the right i've seen articles have you seen these articles you know after childbirth

01:31:22.360 what happens to the mother and the mother's needs and and there's this picture of the woman off off

01:31:28.600 sitting on the side of the bed and like all the everyone's around the baby's uh crib it's like

01:31:34.200 what only modern women would say paying attention to the newborn child is taking away from me

01:31:41.800 me me me me me how sad is that well it's not even sad what about the dad you know no one cares about

01:31:49.440 the dad go ahead you're it's like not more it's women are immoral creatures so they're always

01:31:54.960 going to be immoral do you know what i mean but it's like it's just post not clarity it's literally

01:32:01.040 like the same feeling in your life have banged a girl and realized after that you didn't like her

01:32:08.760 and you it was no like I try to humanize women to a way it was of no fault of your own before

01:32:15.060 you really thought you liked her but after you can't help how you feel right and you were just

01:32:22.120 like oof I never want to see you again women get that when they have children so when they're

01:32:28.260 about all the hormones or whatever um sometimes it's that our generation doesn't know how to do

01:32:34.560 anything so they're completely unprepared of keeping a kid on a schedule and don't listen

01:32:39.240 to their husbands and two it's um post not clarity well look at what big mike said about

01:32:46.880 obama in her book she said that after 10 years for 10 years after they had their first child

01:32:54.260 she she hated her husband she wrote that in a book yeah it's a crazy michelle obama head but

01:33:03.060 um hold on actually i want to write the because alpha and beta is hold on hold on it's not

01:33:10.500 it's not just like leading the world hold on it's alpha how being hot sexual prowess game etc

01:33:20.920 beta is loyalty and parental investment beta is not bad you just can't lead with it so it's usually

01:33:26.640 guys that lead with that's why when like you say to women um i'm looking for like a relationship

01:33:32.420 that's leading with beta unfortunately not like signals to women beta so a lot of times that's

01:33:40.780 like why um like they're kind of making fun of ben shapiro when he was like oh i told my wife

01:33:46.940 wanted to marry her a month in it's like oh no yeah or those guys that oh yeah um i proposed

01:33:53.020 to her like four times before she said yes it's like geez oh yeah so gross um

01:34:03.900 but yeah um anyways e-girls keep doing your thing keep going um i don't wish you to stop

01:34:09.900 your shows i don't because otherwise i'd be unemployed and we like being employed don't we

01:34:16.060 we doug mpa yes we do if anything talk about your relationship more yes post it all over

01:34:23.240 live stream it yeah yeah i want to do i want to see some irl streams where these freaking e-girls

01:34:31.560 are are just filming their lives 24 7 like freaking these young people in fact that might

01:34:37.780 be the next step you might see a conservative influencer irlers who all they do is just film

01:34:43.780 their trad life 24 seven yeah so here you see like women uh they don't tend to act up as much

01:34:52.800 when they're with like guys that are more alpha are you sharing your screen yeah i will hold on

01:34:57.960 um they don't tend to um act up as much when they're with guys that are more alpha because

01:35:08.780 they can't he'll leave or cheat or some bullshit um but yeah it's like usually women use betas for

01:35:17.280 marketing like yeah it's gonna be your marketing for instagram anyways um like a lot of times

01:35:34.020 that's why i didn't love kevin samuel's six feet six feet like i didn't like the way he qualified

01:35:40.040 men on his show because really to women we view men like i would say that's the most accurate way

01:35:45.980 to put it is alpha and beta and that's not really something that you can measure with money um and

01:35:51.900 the same guy can be alpha to one girl and beta to another because you you date a black woman it's

01:35:57.860 like you'll never be alpha to that bitch oh that's true he's dated a drug dealer you know you get a

01:36:03.680 becky you can beat her once yeah well you know i still think that the six foot tall six figures

01:36:12.740 and six you know the six pack thing is still valid only because you know it's about

01:36:19.460 uh getting a chance with women you know like that's one of the basis of um like the whole

01:36:29.900 looks maxing thing like six foot tall six pack focuses on two of those like for you to have

01:36:36.220 have a decent chance with a woman here's the thing it's about minimizing risks and maximizing

01:36:41.260 opportunity right if you have the 666 you're gonna have better opportunities and mitigation

01:36:47.900 of risk because women like women want this is oh this is since the 80s that this has been a thing

01:36:54.940 and it's still around so there's some legitimacy to that six with all six i mean yes there's some

01:37:01.660 right and i'm not i'm not saying it's a bad thing but that's just not really how women think it's

01:37:06.460 either we meet guys that make us feel it or they don't and if we make a guy if we meet a guy that

01:37:11.340 makes us like feel a certain way then we don't really care about the 666 that's why like i mean

01:37:17.420 i'm sure you've seen a beautiful woman going crazy over a loser right and to everyone it's

01:37:22.860 like what the but yeah but but he usually has a six foot like even that loser probably has

01:37:30.780 he's six foot tall and probably has a six pack

01:37:35.260 like you can't deny that women will go for a guy who's six foot tall over a guy who's five seven

01:37:41.900 and you can't deny that like a woman will go for a guy who has more money than less and you can't

01:37:47.660 deny that a woman will, will go for a guy that is in good shape over a guy that is not in shape.

01:37:54.560 Right. But I don't think that women generally pick like just out of, if you have like five

01:38:00.780 dates, I don't think women generally pick the most attractive guy that they could get. Like,

01:38:05.500 it's usually some sort of dominance in my opinion. Like it's sort of, I mean, this is just me, but

01:38:12.700 like, I don't like, cause I've met guys that are like, they have all the sixes, but they're just

01:38:19.560 like too feminine. And so like women don't like them. So I don't know. Like, um, I, I understand

01:38:28.560 where you're going with it, but it's just, for me, it just doesn't really quantify how women think,

01:38:34.480 this isn't pregnant

01:38:38.760 because single mom

01:38:39.960 there isn't because single mom

01:38:42.620 get pregnant by bums

01:38:43.860 does AJ want to weigh in?

01:38:45.480 he can come in if he wants

01:38:46.840 yeah, bring him in

01:38:48.400 leave the link, you can send it

01:38:52.700 yeah, hold on

01:38:53.540 guys, like the video

01:38:58.660 subscribe if you haven't already

01:39:00.040 give me one second

01:39:04.460 yeah i don't know how to put it i'm trying to explain it but it's like

01:39:08.980 like the guy will be fat a loser

01:39:15.120 etc etc

01:39:18.460 at the same time i need to maybe articulate this better i don't want to discount looks i really

01:39:26.820 don't but it just i don't know it's something about like a certain attitude of guys

01:39:32.660 um and that's kind of what women like test for it's like did he pass the shit tests

01:39:39.100 um

01:39:41.260 good lord yeah if he doesn't like confidence yeah yeah i still think that the six foot tall six

01:39:54.720 back i mean it's just been around for too long for it to not be valid anymore well because women

01:40:00.840 say it but it's like taking what women say seriously like women like would go on the show

01:40:07.200 and say um they want a millionaire like i mean how how much okay we know we know who denalva's

01:40:14.100 um dating and like she said all those high standards right that she had and then you know

01:40:22.140 we see who she actually and nothing i like both of them but it's just like it's not what she said

01:40:28.420 do you know what I mean

01:40:29.320 yep makes sense to me

01:40:31.260 yeah

01:40:32.320 one second

01:40:34.000 make makeup illegal

01:40:40.160 so okay

01:40:47.040 so

01:40:48.000 so you think that the dominance

01:40:51.380 is the deciding factor

01:40:53.560 what is the

01:40:54.960 the number one ways that men

01:40:57.340 exhibit this dominance thing oh my god it's so difficult to say the puas can break it down if we

01:41:03.520 had jesse on here he could break it down but it's like i don't know put it like usually as a woman

01:41:08.400 you can decide if you like a guy within the first five minutes because there's just like i don't

01:41:13.860 know part of it's the like lower vocal tone like part of it's um like doing it like passing the

01:41:19.920 test which you don't even know as a girl you don't even know you're giving him but hold on my dog

01:41:24.900 needs to be let out this one a little longer than i thought uh carrie for a second okay you got it

01:41:30.500 yeah go ahead guys yeah i mean so let's talk about the 666 thing um that came up in magazines in the

01:41:43.120 80s because women always talked about that women's magazines came up with a six foot tall six figures

01:41:51.520 six-pack thing women came up with the whole high value thing and men had to respond but this 666

01:42:00.040 thing has been around since like 1983 84 85 or something like that if we're still talking about

01:42:06.300 it what 40 years later it's crazy um trying to think uh i need to find this guy

01:42:18.620 fort worth playboy one of the best um playboys of all time

01:42:26.300 he's so ugly oh there he is

01:42:30.000 there he is what's going on aj what's going on guys i'm not trying to take up too much time

01:42:37.580 that's okay but pearl you basically solved this riddle months ago when you said chicks don't care

01:42:44.680 about men's money until later did you remember yeah yeah chicks don't care about any of this

01:42:52.640 stuff until they're kind of later later on but young chicks are just reckless right they get

01:43:00.060 with the most reckless toxic dudes you know because if they wanted the six pack the six

01:43:07.300 feet tall or whatever then they wouldn't be pregnant by nug nug and bums and all these

01:43:12.920 weirdos do you think that the bums are hot because doug mpa was saying he thinks the bums are like

01:43:18.860 hot and that's why like sometimes i agree to some extent but what do you think i think there's just

01:43:23.860 a general toxic trait they have that makes them exciting there's a friend of mine that doug and i

01:43:30.940 have and he is a bridge troll but he gets six my whole time he's my best friend for 25 years

01:43:38.040 and he just pulls chicks he i don't know if you saw him you'd laugh but he has that kind of toxic

01:43:44.280 i think it's also like courage it kind of shows courageousness i don't know how to put it but

01:43:51.300 you can like detect it pretty soon like because if they have the courage to like talk to you in

01:43:55.960 a certain way it's like we love that i don't give a fuck attitude yeah yeah i would say that

01:44:03.640 but i used to think the whole six pack six foot six figures thing until if that was the case then

01:44:10.740 all the single moms all the chicks that you had on your show whoever would be pregnant by lawyers

01:44:15.400 and doctors and and and ceos but that's just not the case i'm trying to find this one of the best

01:44:22.280 players of all time was this hispanic guy who was like known for just banging all of these broads

01:44:28.680 and he was so ugly and his wife's like dying words to him were like why was i not enough

01:44:36.860 and it's like this

01:44:37.900 she's like dying and she's like why was i not good enough like what i mean it was a long time ago but

01:44:50.160 even still like and he banged her sister too like oh my god i gotta find him fort worth playboy

01:44:58.060 always tweets him yeah yeah i'm sustaining by it i just think that life you know opportunities with

01:45:06.720 women are easier to to attain with the 666 thing or or how about this um maybe what she said maybe

01:45:18.300 what you guys are saying is true or you know when a woman is finally set ready to settle down she'll

01:45:24.620 considered the 666 thing but it's somewhere in the process somewhere i think you have a better

01:45:30.600 chance of being the guy that smashes on the first date if you're the 666 right but you know i just

01:45:39.180 think that there's that reckless toxic all the same traits that make you the hero make you

01:45:44.140 the villain in these dunderheaded chicks are too dumb to tell the difference between the hero and

01:45:50.620 the villain but to let both shoot up the club and get pregnant pregnant you know so yeah i'm trying

01:45:58.400 to find it where is this guy god i couldn't even believe it when i saw it like let me just google

01:46:07.260 biggest playboys of all time like how tall is leonardo dicaprio he's like 6'2 why is he that

01:46:16.500 tall okay yeah i thought he was short no

01:46:22.580 yeah oh no he he's six foot tall oh okay six so five ten

01:46:31.380 but you know what uh in hollywood most people are short remember like uh sebester salone is

01:46:37.300 five six five seven rob de niro was like five five i was just five six i was just thinking um

01:46:43.380 like right now leonardo dicaprio like i don't think he's that good looking now but like the

01:46:51.940 women he's speaking to probably could get with hotter guys like like because he's talking to

01:46:56.980 nines and tens of the world so if a girl goes on a date with like five men i don't think most of the

01:47:02.420 time women just pick the best looking guy okay wait so leonardo dicaprio is 51 years old

01:47:09.540 right for a 51 year old guy no homo but he's a good looking guy for

01:47:15.660 to be 51 years old correct but i'm saying that the women he's talking to have the option

01:47:21.420 for uh professional athletes profession like the women that can get on the yacht can get on any

01:47:28.800 yacht you know what i mean yeah yeah but like why would you not be able to get on another yacht

01:47:35.900 The thing about it is it's about what kind of company you keep, though.

01:47:39.980 You know, like, do you want to hang out in the spots where Leonardo DiCaprio takes you,

01:47:45.320 or do you want to hang out in the spots where some football player takes you?

01:47:48.680 Understand what I'm saying?

01:47:50.660 Like, Leonardo DiCaprio is in a whole different space.

01:47:54.860 Or think about this.

01:47:56.560 Let's say you break up.

01:47:58.040 Would you rather be a 22-year-old who was in a three-year relationship

01:48:02.780 and broke up with an NFL player or Leonardo DiCaprio?

01:48:07.580 Do you think that Russell Brand is attractive?

01:48:10.120 No.

01:48:11.360 I know, but he's one of the biggest playboys.

01:48:14.500 He's up here.

01:48:17.100 He's like, yeah, Russell Brand is on this list,

01:48:19.780 which actually makes sense.

01:48:22.000 He's such a flirt, though.

01:48:23.320 It makes him attractive because he's a very good flirt.

01:48:26.620 i've seen him in hold on let me show you russell brand gets women the same reason why

01:48:32.440 who's the guy that was with kim kardashian for a little bit um pete davidson

01:48:38.560 they get women the same way you know a lot of these women they go through all these serious

01:48:45.040 relationships and then they want a guy who's funny and light-hearted and stuff no i think it's here

01:48:50.260 well maybe that too but i i think he's just a good flirt like me well we'll analyze his game

01:48:56.400 russell brand picking up women black women incredible a cartoon someone's about to get

01:49:02.840 seduced not me maybe i'm a very good girl are you good i don't think god would give you that body

01:49:09.520 and then give you sort of morality no are you in a sexual relationship no am i then there's hope

01:49:17.660 i can't fight your i mean that's like clever you know he's like quick

01:49:22.900 the answer you don't need to yeah but you know work out some sort of arrangement it's good that

01:49:27.540 i've got both your hands is it getting on your nerves no it's cold i enjoy it like he has the

01:49:31.460 balls to do that most guys don't i mean in trouble later right but i mean if that were like an

01:49:37.780 attractive woman of any other race except for a black woman i would give him i'd give him credit

01:49:42.180 it for this but come on now i know but there's more here he got

01:49:46.180 you have to move out of your chair and katherine is welcome no she's not it's not no don't do it

01:50:00.680 trust me don't do this don't even say for the queen you can't don't say for the queen

01:50:05.900 Gee, gee, you wonder why Russell Brandt ever got some accusations against him.

01:50:13.920 Yeah, but, you know, he's fine now.

01:50:17.680 With my sexual charisma.

01:50:20.920 Russell, are you thinking about something?

01:50:23.460 Yeah, as a matter of fact, I was thinking about something.

01:50:24.960 Yeah, but, like, it's not, I understand there's consequences,

01:50:28.140 but it's not, like, attractive to girls to, like, oh, you're afraid to, like, get accused.

01:50:33.560 Even though it's valid, right?

01:50:34.940 but it's like we can't help what we're attracted to so it's like it's like it's attractive that he

01:50:41.180 um has the balls to like be that touchy guys don't do that in real life

01:50:47.640 unless you got unless you got the game to do it you know

01:50:52.640 i think as you know i've announced it i find catherine very attractive

01:50:57.020 when she said exchange did you see that that's like

01:50:59.760 like that's almost like because he's just going out and saying it and that's kind of what some

01:51:05.580 of the puas like there's one where they just go out and do it and some of the girls respond pretty

01:51:10.120 well numbers i thought things i'd like to exchange with her and like it's his vocal tone too because

01:51:15.200 he's got like a his voice isn't shaking he's just saying it like confidently it's how i'd read it

01:51:22.180 maybe you guys have a different read that's just how i'd read it

01:51:24.900 aj you got anything or no yeah just just so he's very he's whimsical right so he's half joking

01:51:35.300 half serious so it's disarming you know what i'm saying and he has charisma right but here's the

01:51:42.180 thing you look at this guy and then who was the other guy you guys were talking talking about uh

01:51:48.660 Russell Brand and then someone else that has a Leonardo DiCaprio no no but how did Pearl how

01:51:55.180 does destiny pull chicks that's what I don't get because he has Russell Brand's tism but none of

01:51:59.940 his uh Riz you know what I'm saying um well yeah he pulls chicks because he's also quick like

01:52:08.840 there's something about guys that just like are very um socially sharp I could say not like I

01:52:17.320 mean i i wouldn't i don't find him attractive but like i i could say that's probably why he

01:52:26.060 gets women because he doesn't care like he'll be rude to them he does not care and there's

01:52:30.500 something attractive about guys that don't care like they get in trouble right uh but they also

01:52:37.360 get bitches so that's true the got a jet there's nothing like there's nothing oh see yeah there's

01:52:46.600 like nothing more unattractive than when we smell like fear in you you know even if it's valid like

01:52:53.420 it's just sorry fellas yeah you know it's funny i always wonder how many how much opportunity

01:52:58.640 i've let go by because i've tried to keep myself out of positions of being falsely

01:53:04.160 accused and and it's probably a lot but let me tell you i just can't like you know i was just

01:53:10.920 raised to be averse because because of the consequences man like i've seen some guys

01:53:15.280 get false accused and their life is ruined you know all these guys asleep with a bunch of women

01:53:21.160 you're gonna meet the wrong one one day it's not a matter if it's a matter of when yeah no i know

01:53:26.680 it's how do i put it it's not um life's about trade-offs right you can't have everything

01:53:31.960 like it's just um but it's like there's not morality in women's attraction you know there's

01:53:39.140 not like we can't help what we're attracted to unfortunately um russell brand

01:53:45.260 i saw one interview where he got the interviewer to kiss him i'm like what the fuck

01:53:57.680 i don't know if it's on this playlist but no way of tricking anybody into doing things that

01:54:04.160 they don't want to do that can be anything but negative for both parties involved so what is

01:54:08.700 your secret uh my secret is that i know that within you there is a limitless divine beauty

01:54:14.800 and within me as well and if i connect with that

01:54:17.700 And we'll be okay.

01:54:20.380 And you as well.

01:54:21.980 And Chris.

01:54:24.640 He's good for everybody.

01:54:26.100 Everybody's beautiful.

01:54:27.700 Now, Russ, I'm nervous to ask this,

01:54:29.580 but you did say at the start of the year

01:54:31.380 that you were considering attempting celibacy.

01:54:34.620 Is that something that you have continued with?

01:54:37.380 What time do you finish work?

01:54:40.320 See, that's...

01:54:41.400 Do you see?

01:54:42.680 That's like a bold answer.

01:54:44.680 And it's like you wouldn't think it like

01:54:46.320 it's like a pattern interrupt like you wouldn't it's like answering the question in a different

01:54:51.180 way so it's funny um but yeah now he also got a false accusation so you're not wrong either you

01:54:57.460 know but uh yeah and he has the money and the legal team to battle a false accusation i'm telling you

01:55:04.740 guys don't hit on women at work don't hit women at the just don't approach women at work don't

01:55:10.420 approach women at the gym. Just don't do it, guys. You're better off. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's all I

01:55:21.240 got for today. That was fun, though, having Dinesh on or Dinesh on. Yeah, Dinesh. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

01:55:27.180 man. He's, you know, that was a really good conversation. He was introduced to the red pill

01:55:33.340 a little bit. Yeah. Okay, guys, like the video on your way out. Subscribe to the channel. Thanks

01:55:40.060 so much for watching thanks doug mpa have a good one see you bye

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