Pearl - December 05, 2024


There Are No Traditional Marriages Left, Only Russian Roulette ｜ Pearl Daily


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Nala Ray is a porn star who claims to have converted to Christianity and is now a believer in Jesus Christ. But is she actually a Christian? Or is she a con artist who is trying to trick Christians into believing that she s a convert for money?

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00:00:00.000 The one thing that I do appreciate about my critics and detractors, it was when they're
00:00:04.860 willing to come on and have a discussion with me on live.
00:00:08.340 Not everybody's willing to do that.
00:00:10.080 So I actually invited him on the show.
00:00:12.540 His name is Zach Costello.
00:00:14.140 Well, I guess my question to you would be is, are you questioning her conversion?
00:00:18.180 Or are you questioning her detriment, I would say, to Christianity?
00:00:24.060 Or do you feel as though she's trying to con Christians into believing that she's a convert
00:00:29.820 for money?
00:00:31.120 Because it seemed like that was more so your take. 0.90
00:00:33.660 Yes, I think she is a con. 1.00
00:00:37.140 And the reason I think she... 1.00
00:00:38.460 Like totally con.
00:00:39.260 So you don't believe that this girl stopped doing OnlyFans because she found Christ.
00:00:45.440 And this is where I disagreed with you.
00:00:47.320 I said you have a hopeless message with regard to Nala Ray.
00:00:51.000 And that's basically what I'm defending here in that I believe that if somebody wants to
00:00:57.660 turn their life around and turn away from sin, I guess you can say if we're going to speak
00:01:01.520 in religious language, that is a good thing.
00:01:04.860 Now, how she went about doing it, doing it publicly, now turning into what you would call 1.00
00:01:12.020 a Protestant pastor, that is where I would say, okay, don't agree with everything that 0.98
00:01:18.140 she's saying there.
00:01:18.820 But like I said, and I think a tweet that I responded to of yours, I think we can all
00:01:24.560 agree that Nala not being an OnlyFans model, I'll use appropriate language here, and being
00:01:32.520 a confused Christian is better for her, right? 1.00
00:01:36.340 It's better for her.
00:01:37.200 It's better for society.
00:01:38.160 I think we can all agree.
00:01:39.220 I think we can all agree with that.
00:01:41.120 Yeah.
00:01:41.360 But the problem is I've seen this film before.
00:01:43.640 And I don't think it's necessarily a good thing when we have an OnlyFans model to preach 0.74
00:01:48.180 her pipeline, and I'm not allowed to call out inconsistencies in her stories.
00:01:54.140 So one thing that she claimed was that she was baptized and she had a change of heart in
00:01:59.060 December.
00:02:00.180 She had five months to delete her OnlyFans.
00:02:03.700 Five.
00:02:04.140 Not one, not two, not three, not four, but five.
00:02:07.280 She doesn't delete it until the day before the Michael Knowles interview.
00:02:10.360 In that time period, her prices were raised.
00:02:14.840 She has active chats going on where she's communicating with men and still sending nudes. 0.53
00:02:20.720 So, you know, she can say one thing, but if I look at her actions, I think if you're claiming
00:02:25.960 I had a change of heart in December and this isn't about money, then you wouldn't make it
00:02:31.160 about money.
00:02:32.260 You wouldn't start a Jesus Christ brand, right?
00:02:34.980 You wouldn't start selling Jesus sweatshirts.
00:02:36.880 And I think that's the challenge where I just think that people blindly believing her without 0.99
00:02:42.940 verifying anything are just foolish. 0.98
00:02:45.480 And then they come at me when I'm right. 0.98
00:02:49.040 What is there to gain for you for her failing to change her life and turn her life around?
00:02:55.460 Well, I think that the truth is important regardless of how it makes people feel.
00:02:59.700 So you might feel icky.
00:03:00.960 I mean, it's a really great story, right?
00:03:02.880 That's a really great movie. 0.94
00:03:04.280 Porn star becomes a pastor, really changes her life.
00:03:07.080 We all want that to be true.
00:03:09.120 But if the facts don't line up with what she's saying and, you know, magically when she's
00:03:15.000 getting the Christian clout, that's when she's magically deciding to delete it.
00:03:19.400 You know, if we look at the incentives, you know, I'm not going to stop saying it just
00:03:23.660 because it makes people, it ruins people's story.
00:03:26.540 True.
00:03:26.620 And I think we should stand for the truth.
00:03:28.760 I totally agree with that.
00:03:30.320 Now, here's my thing that, you know, and when it comes down to it, like, I don't think
00:03:34.940 that Nala should necessarily be a Christian influence, or even though it seems like she's
00:03:41.300 trying to be, I certainly don't think that she gets to be a pastor, but I agree with
00:03:45.700 Andrew Wilson and that what Nala has turned into is a, you know, he calls it buffet Christianity, 0.97
00:03:51.840 where she can pick and choose the things that she likes.
00:03:54.200 And that is not the case for a number of denominations, like even good Protestant, obviously good 0.97
00:04:01.680 Protestant ones, Catholic, Orthodox, et cetera.
00:04:04.800 Like, we believe Christianity to be objective.
00:04:08.920 We are subject to the interpretation that we've been given by the authority of the church,
00:04:15.960 for example.
00:04:16.660 Right.
00:04:16.880 But we don't get to go in and interpret our own scripture.
00:04:19.000 So I think this is the problem when it comes to Christian OnlyFans models. 1.00
00:04:23.720 Basically justifying what they're doing.
00:04:26.060 Jesus agrees with what I'm doing.
00:04:28.020 Like that does, that's not the way that it works.
00:04:29.840 But you become part of the problem when you're white knighting for her and like you make,
00:04:33.840 okay, you make videos condemning me for saying what I said, which was true.
00:04:38.140 And you don't make any video condemning her now.
00:04:41.240 Like, where's the, where's the video now where you say, Hey, you shouldn't be preaching.
00:04:45.880 Hey, that's incorrect.
00:04:47.360 Maybe, maybe I missed it.
00:04:48.640 I'm not saying I saw it all, but you know, it's like, that's what I get from Christians. 1.00
00:04:53.580 They're mad at me for my tone and me for pointing it out, but they're not mad at her
00:04:57.580 for being disrespectful to Andrew and, you know, spreading things that are not true.
00:05:02.420 Yeah.
00:05:02.600 I'll grant to you that her, her current, her current behavior, her current theology,
00:05:08.060 I do not agree with.
00:05:09.780 I haven't gotten into it online.
00:05:12.820 What's more important actions or words?
00:05:15.520 Well, I mean, yes, actions are more important.
00:05:18.940 Okay.
00:05:19.480 So other than deleting the OnlyFans after she got Christianity clout. 0.78
00:05:25.060 So I'm not, I'm not even going to give that as a bonus because she just traded it.
00:05:29.080 We all know if you look at the demographics, white Christian men are OnlyFans customers. 0.99
00:05:34.800 That's the number one.
00:05:35.680 You could talk to any OnlyFans model, married Christian men.
00:05:38.960 And that's who's buying OnlyFans. 0.97
00:05:40.660 So all she did was substitute in her old fans for her, for new Christian fans that are just 0.99
00:05:46.800 going to follow her.
00:05:47.840 And if she ever goes back into it, it's still a backup, right?
00:05:51.980 So other, other than the, the deleting the OnlyFans, what did she do?
00:05:56.920 So, I mean, is she doing OnlyFans currently?
00:06:00.160 No, but she's an influencer. 1.00
00:06:01.920 So she's a Christian.
00:06:02.960 She just traded in the one clout for the other. 1.00
00:06:05.320 That's it.
00:06:05.800 I mean, like if she was sitting in the back of the church, quiet, reading her Bible, no
00:06:10.740 one would have any problem, but it's that it's becoming a OnlyFans to Christian pipeline.
00:06:16.580 Do you think that there's any value in women who were previously doing OnlyFans coming out
00:06:21.320 and talking about how terrible the lifestyle is and turning their lives around?
00:06:24.420 Do you think there's any, any value to that?
00:06:26.320 Not really.
00:06:26.920 I'd rather hear from the women that didn't do it and lived virtuous lives. 1.00
00:06:30.640 I think that when you have ex-hoes going around saying, hey, you can do whatever you 1.00
00:06:36.840 want and still get married after, you're basically telling younger women, you can literally do
00:06:41.860 OnlyFans and a man will marry you after. 1.00
00:06:44.400 Yeah.
00:06:44.500 So you think they're incentivizing that behavior and then they have basically an off-ramp later
00:06:49.120 on.
00:06:49.660 Yeah.
00:06:50.420 Then I didn't know I was coerced, whatever.
00:06:53.580 I was so broken.
00:06:54.820 And the thing is, cause I've actually interviewed, you've seen my show, so I've interviewed these
00:07:00.560 women and when they're doing it, it's not cause they're coerced. 1.00
00:07:03.140 It's not cause they don't know what they're doing.
00:07:04.560 They love being naked on camera.
00:07:06.100 And a lot of these women have a huge addiction to attention. 1.00
00:07:10.180 So do I believe overnight that a woman with such an addiction to attention that she got
00:07:15.580 tag teamed on camera by two men at the same time that in five months she's magically
00:07:22.500 better and now can be preaching the gospel?
00:07:25.160 No, I don't believe it.
00:07:26.380 Yeah.
00:07:26.620 I mean, you know, again, like when it comes to Catholic marriage prep and a lot of the
00:07:30.860 Catholic education, I mean, I'll say this, and I've been outspoken about this on my channel.
00:07:35.720 I mean, a lot of it is feminist influence. 1.00
00:07:38.740 I think like 90% or so of Catholic education and pre-education comes from women.
00:07:44.940 I mean, there's certainly a male leadership problem within the Catholic church.
00:07:49.440 I mean, you've used terms like, I think it's sympademic is what you've said.
00:07:55.600 I mean, I'm not going to sit here and deny that the Catholic church has not been influenced
00:08:00.080 by feminism. 1.00
00:08:01.540 I mean, I think that that, I think you see that.
00:08:03.440 I think that's obvious.
00:08:04.420 So if even you're agreeing that the Catholic church has been influenced by feminism, how
00:08:09.200 can you still push Catholic marriage and say that feminism won't influence it?
00:08:13.760 Because that's like the next point we're going to go through.
00:08:15.740 So, yeah, well, I mean, I think we can get into marriage when it comes down to it, you
00:08:19.980 know, and this is a hill I'm willing to die on.
00:08:21.680 I believe that the Catholic vision of marriage is ideal for men and women.
00:08:25.080 So I don't like to stick with ideals because it just becomes a wish list of what we wish
00:08:29.900 would be true.
00:08:31.280 Right.
00:08:32.460 So there's examples of people actually executing this in reality.
00:08:36.680 Right.
00:08:37.020 I'm talking about the women today that men have to pick from as wives are not generally 0.97
00:08:43.120 practicing Catholics.
00:08:44.440 There are plenty of statistics on, and I know you know this, on men and women who attend
00:08:51.260 church weekly every Sunday, men and women who pray together.
00:08:56.000 And I know we can get on that.
00:08:57.360 I know you've pushed back on that many, many times.
00:08:59.400 Those individuals are less likely to cohabitate before marriage.
00:09:03.120 They're less likely to, they're more likely to have low body counts, I guess you can say.
00:09:08.180 And, you know, the stats say that those individuals are more likely to have marriage success.
00:09:13.340 But, you know, I wouldn't say that that is limited necessarily to just Catholic.
00:09:18.640 I think you can look at other religious denominations.
00:09:21.160 And, you know, as long as those habits are being executed, then you're likely to have
00:09:26.840 more marriage success.
00:09:28.140 You have to acknowledge that the percentages are significantly lower compared to the rest
00:09:33.800 of the population.
00:09:34.680 Like, and if you take the rest of the secular population, I'm sure it happens significantly 0.98
00:09:39.240 more than it does in a conservative Catholic community.
00:09:42.020 Again, you're ignoring what I'm saying, though, because the problem with the stats you're talking
00:09:46.740 about is they're only taking the people that are still practicing.
00:09:49.740 And the challenge you get is some people start off practicing together.
00:09:54.420 The wife says, I'm going to leave.
00:09:56.460 He can't do anything.
00:09:58.240 And so now he's not taken into that statistic because, like, now they're not praying every
00:10:03.420 day and going to church, even though they started that way.
00:10:05.720 It's like conveniently taking the winners.
00:10:07.920 So it's not a good sample size.
00:10:09.600 But if you take the number of divorces, and I don't know this off the, I can't remember
00:10:14.560 it off the top of my head, but Catholic, it's similar.
00:10:16.980 It's because the problem is they have to convince men to get married. 1.00
00:10:21.560 They have to.
00:10:22.660 And the reason they have to is because men, if they don't keep convincing men to sign
00:10:27.960 up, the government doesn't know what they're going to do with all of these single women. 1.00
00:10:31.960 So that's why they're pushing it, because they don't want to see homeless single women. 1.00
00:10:35.280 They want men to do the hard jobs.
00:10:37.040 They want men to keep paying alimony, keep paying child support, because a part of child 0.99
00:10:41.180 support is in social security.
00:10:43.680 I'm kind of butchering it, but that's the reason why.
00:10:47.620 So a lot of times with these places that are like pushing marriage, it's they're just
00:10:51.560 conveniently taking the winners.
00:10:53.380 Yeah.
00:10:53.600 I mean, again, it's not without its problems, especially in the society that we live in.
00:10:57.580 But I would ask you this, Pearl, like, do you agree that marriage is important for a
00:11:03.780 functioning society?
00:11:04.980 Sure.
00:11:05.280 When you practice it biblically, sure.
00:11:08.720 But today's society, they're paid to leave.
00:11:11.320 So you can't have a traditional marriage when women are paid to leave. 1.00
00:11:15.000 You can't because women will always have the upper hand. 1.00
00:11:17.740 And so I just wonder how people can so confidently like push something when there's no guarantee
00:11:24.620 and you don't know for sure it'll work out.
00:11:27.540 And the other thing is, too, when I'm showing you these risks of these guys like getting
00:11:32.460 their kids stolen, getting their kid transitioned, all of these, you know, being like if a guy's
00:11:37.140 between $50,000 and $100,000 a year, they take more than 50% of his income for 18 years.
00:11:43.060 That's slavery. 0.99
00:11:43.800 That's like, there are absolutely men that are in worse places today and some even suicidal
00:11:49.440 because they got married.
00:11:51.180 So do you think that if you push a guy to do it and he ends up in that position that you
00:11:55.800 are at all responsible?
00:11:57.240 I mean, that's impossible to answer.
00:11:59.140 I mean, that's impossible to answer.
00:12:00.360 I mean, I would say like, I mean, so if a guy gets married, if a man and woman get married
00:12:05.140 and maybe you're talking about, I mean, obviously these are real.
00:12:08.000 These really do happen.
00:12:09.380 I'm not denying that.
00:12:10.360 But again, these are, these are worst case scenario type of situations.
00:12:15.700 The challenge is it gives you a worse chance if you're the one providing in terms of divorce
00:12:21.440 court.
00:12:22.080 So you're punished if you like, if you do the patriarchal thing and pay all the bills,
00:12:27.080 you're actually punished for it in court and your child support payment.
00:12:30.260 Like I just interviewed a guy in, I think it was Idaho, and he supported his wife, had
00:12:35.540 five kids for 20 years.
00:12:37.180 Um, and she divorced him and he now has to delay his retirement by 12 years.
00:12:43.680 He's in his fifties, sixties around there.
00:12:46.180 So I think I calculated it out.
00:12:48.040 He'd be 69 when he could actually retire.
00:12:50.500 Was that worth it?
00:12:51.280 She alienated the kids from him.
00:12:52.740 Now his kids don't like him.
00:12:53.900 So I actually wanted to see, are you interested in learning more about this?
00:12:58.340 Sure.
00:12:58.600 I mean, you know, I came on your show not to necessarily, you know, butt heads with you,
00:13:02.480 but, uh, I mean, again, I said to you that there are aspects of your message that I, that
00:13:08.220 I don't disagree with.
00:13:09.560 Um, and you know, but there are certainly aspects of it that I, that I do, and I'd be interested
00:13:14.280 in learning more.
00:13:15.500 Where shall I begin?
00:13:16.860 Let me tell you something here.
00:13:18.640 All right.
00:13:18.860 I hear what you're saying about the whole Christianity, choose the perfect woman, what have you. 1.00
00:13:24.980 So, but unfortunately the world we live in marriage is managed by the state, not by the
00:13:31.720 religious institutions.
00:13:33.120 So it doesn't really matter what you have to say.
00:13:36.300 Zach, the reality on the ground is simply this.
00:13:39.240 80% of divorces are filed by women.
00:13:42.400 85% of the time, no matter what the mother is going to get custody of those children. 0.99
00:13:47.780 A lion's share of all alimony and child support is paid by men.
00:13:51.340 And if men don't pay such child support and it gets over a certain dollar amount, you 0.99
00:13:55.720 can get charged with a felony and put in big boy pound you in the ass jail. 0.96
00:14:00.720 Even if you do pay your child support, you still have to work either a second job or overtime 0.91
00:14:06.180 just to make those financial obligations, which means you don't have really that kind
00:14:11.120 of time to spend with your child.
00:14:13.160 So you're watching them grow up and fast forward, which I'm telling you through experience is
00:14:19.820 literally every time I dropped my kids off to their mothers, it was like processing
00:14:24.260 a death.
00:14:26.180 It's psychologically destroying.
00:14:29.660 And I have been dealing with the aftermath of these individuals.
00:14:35.360 Like you're up there, you're in church, you're doing your own thing.
00:14:38.460 I got it. 0.66
00:14:39.080 I'm at the bottom of the pyramid catching these broken dudes and doing the best I can to slap
00:14:45.000 them back together and get them back out into the fight using logic, reason, and comedy.
00:14:50.200 All right.
00:14:50.440 Now I was raised as a Christian.
00:14:52.700 My denomination is Catholic Light, which is Episcopalian.
00:14:56.920 But it happens in the Western world and all denominations, all religions, Buddhists, Muslims,
00:15:05.140 you know, Jewish of all different sects.
00:15:07.380 And they all go through this divorce thing.
00:15:11.080 And what Pearl said is absolutely true.
00:15:14.220 Women are rewarded for breaking the marriage contract hand over fist. 1.00
00:15:21.420 All right.
00:15:21.700 Now I'm not attacking at all, Zach.
00:15:24.940 I respect what you do.
00:15:26.040 I got it.
00:15:26.880 And, you know, I wish, I wish we lived in a different world where people could get married 0.62
00:15:31.660 and stay married.
00:15:32.480 Well, there are studies out there that once a woman goes over five sexual partners, her 1.00
00:15:38.700 chances of staying in a long-term committed relationship drop into the 20 percentile.
00:15:44.720 It is just an ugly situation all the way around.
00:15:47.700 I understand that.
00:15:48.400 And I'm not denying that there aren't, that there aren't risks when it comes to marriage.
00:15:52.680 And I also am not naive to the fact that there are individuals that have certainly suffered
00:16:00.320 at the hands of failed marriages.
00:16:03.040 And, you know, and I acknowledge that there are laws in place that significantly favor women 0.99
00:16:10.180 over men.
00:16:11.200 And I think reform is needed in that regard.
00:16:14.280 This is the question that I would pose to you guys.
00:16:16.280 Like, what then is the solution from a societal and individual standpoint?
00:16:21.140 My solution, I can, yeah, go ahead, Nick, go ahead.
00:16:24.820 My solution is there's something called a modern marriage strike. 0.97
00:16:30.040 Don't get involved in modern marriage.
00:16:31.760 You say, well, I'm for traditional marriage.
00:16:33.440 No, you are in a modern marriage, whether you like it or not.
00:16:36.780 The state will ruin your life if they come after you.
00:16:39.840 You're asking men to play Russian roulette with their posterity.
00:16:43.560 I was an Orthodox Presbyterian pastor and I got totally wrecked and zeroed out.
00:16:48.000 I fought for the patriarchy.
00:16:49.340 I believe in traditional marriage, but traditional marriage does not currently exist in the United
00:16:53.680 States because the state controls it.
00:16:56.240 Absolutely correct.
00:16:56.840 All right.
00:16:57.160 Here's my retort here.
00:16:59.860 You're talking about where men are hardwired to get married and reproduce. 0.66
00:17:04.800 You're absolutely correct.
00:17:07.120 But you also have to take into account just how far the modern women has fallen in value 0.99
00:17:14.020 where men don't want to do that anymore. 0.90
00:17:16.420 They're not dating.
00:17:18.000 They're not pursuing women, you know, in large quantities.
00:17:22.060 We've got nightclubs, bars going out of business.
00:17:24.980 We have the wedding industry has gone bankrupt to what, two or three times now.
00:17:29.280 Men build, maintain, and protect the civilization.
00:17:32.720 And what we have going on here is our civilization has broken the contract between men and women. 0.99
00:17:40.120 So men no longer have an incentive to participate.
00:17:45.280 And I encourage every one of the men I talk to to ask a simple question.
00:17:50.380 What is in it for me?
00:17:53.340 And if that question is not answered, do not participate.
00:17:58.900 Because we have a civilization where millions of, I would say billions of people before us
00:18:04.720 going back, you know, a millennia, where men have sacrificed their health, their well-being,
00:18:10.980 their very lives. 0.98
00:18:12.500 And I would even dare say they're immortal souls for the vicious shit you got to do in war. 0.98
00:18:17.780 All right. 0.98
00:18:18.260 And they went into this willingly knowing that there's a contract like, hey, I can have
00:18:22.880 the wife, the kid, you know, the white picket fence, what have you.
00:18:27.720 That's gone now.
00:18:29.380 So this is what's going to happen.
00:18:31.740 We are going to see in some form or fashion, a collapse of the Western world.
00:18:38.100 And it's going to turn historically, when you look at that, it's going to be incredibly
00:18:42.500 vicious, bloody, vile.
00:18:45.180 Well, I don't want to see it happen, but if, you know, I'm a realist and I look at the examples
00:18:50.420 of history and that is exactly where we're going.
00:18:53.780 Fair enough.
00:18:54.300 And I'm an optimist.
00:18:56.240 And that's why I am currently out here fighting for traditional marriages, which will prevent 1.00
00:19:02.960 us from collapsing as a society and as a civilization.
00:19:08.640 Listen, God bless you, man.
00:19:10.420 You got a heart of gold.
00:19:11.740 I'll give you that, man.
00:19:12.600 I really do.
00:19:13.160 So it's a, it's a hill that I'm willing to die on because again, like, yeah, it, because
00:19:20.240 I think it's, because I think it's, it's the most important thing.
00:19:22.660 And, and you guys, you know, if you were listening before, you heard me say that I understand
00:19:27.180 that there are risks.
00:19:28.360 Um, I understand, you know, big risks.
00:19:31.040 I use the business example before when I was criticizing Pearl about marriage, but.
00:19:35.900 You're not enslaved to your business for 18 years though.
00:19:39.240 Like my parents had a business and if it failed, like they failed, but they're not stuck.
00:19:42.980 You can certainly go bankrupt.
00:19:44.360 You can certainly get into severe financial debt from business decisions.
00:19:47.980 You, you absolutely can not commit suicide because of, because their business fails.
00:19:53.980 Like all of those are examples, but that would never be a reason to not pursue it.
00:19:58.820 I would say that it would certainly be a reason to not pursue it.
00:20:02.500 If your business partner was incentivized to rip you off, that would be the equivalent
00:20:08.720 of going into business when your partner is paid to rip you off.
00:20:13.120 No one would do it.
00:20:13.900 But yeah, and also like our entire civilization, the laws and the traditions are skewed to favor
00:20:21.520 the woman in virtually every respect.
00:20:24.780 For instance, you're living with a woman.
00:20:27.160 She dials 911, makes a claim. 0.96
00:20:29.540 You did some crazy stuff.
00:20:30.940 You're going to jail and it's going to cost you between five and 20 K to get out of that,
00:20:36.400 depending upon if you take a plea or fight it in court.
00:20:38.540 We've seen the me too, where people's careers have been absolutely destroyed by women who 1.00
00:20:44.340 made accusations that are decades old.
00:20:47.220 All right.
00:20:47.660 I myself in the military, if I did not have a nanny cam in my office recording a specific
00:20:54.220 interaction I had with an off female officer, I would have been kicked out of the military 1.00
00:21:00.200 and probably living in the street now.
00:21:02.360 And you're talking about risks.
00:21:04.940 I got you.
00:21:05.640 But there's a big difference between a business risk and a marriage risk.
00:21:11.600 You can lose your business and do a bankruptcy.
00:21:14.760 They're not going to throw you in prison.
00:21:16.660 Maybe they'll give you a payment plan.
00:21:18.420 Got it.
00:21:19.460 You know, and maybe that'll take longer.
00:21:21.900 But in the real, real world where women are favored by the laws in criminal court, civil 1.00
00:21:28.740 court and divorce court, and you can literally wind up in prison under false accusations.
00:21:36.800 I've had judges, you know, I've talked to guys who've had judges impose incredibly high
00:21:41.660 child support numbers based on the degree that the individual held, meaning he didn't
00:21:48.820 even have that job.
00:21:49.900 He had the education for said job, so they randomly just picked a number and said this is what he
00:21:56.680 had to pay.
00:21:58.160 And he wound up doing, what, 18 months in the Michigan Correctional Facility for felony child
00:22:06.100 support evasion.
00:22:07.600 And he wasn't evading.
00:22:08.580 He just couldn't pay it.
00:22:10.040 On average, if you lose your job, you get cancer, you get injured, it's going to take
00:22:15.080 you five appearances before the judge, before they'll even entertain lowering your child
00:22:20.540 support.
00:22:21.360 And that could take anywhere from five months to a year and a half, sometimes two years.
00:22:26.740 A lot of money can get racked up in two years.
00:22:29.820 Most states, $5,000.
00:22:32.840 Anything over that is felony child support evasion.
00:22:37.260 So you're trying to get your numbers corrected, but the court took forever to do it or didn't
00:22:42.740 listen to you the first four times.
00:22:44.780 And then all of a sudden you're standing in front of the judge, you owe more than $5,000
00:22:48.940 and, you know, he could quite literally just pound the gavel and you're going to prison.
00:22:53.980 And that's not even talking about the whole suicide numbers.
00:22:56.380 I would estimate from my research and my studies and talking to all these individuals that 60 to
00:23:05.080 70% of the time, the suicides that I've heard about or had to deal with or heard through
00:23:11.460 secondhand had either a divorce or a contact with family court within five years of their
00:23:17.960 suicide date.
00:23:19.240 All right.
00:23:19.620 And there's a reason why 65 to 70% of the men out there are homeless.
00:23:24.700 A lot of those guys will never get out of the street because they owe a huge amount of
00:23:30.060 child support and in most states, the interest rate on, on unpaid child support is sitting
00:23:35.620 between nine and 15%.
00:23:37.540 That's usury.
00:23:39.060 The state's getting away with it.
00:23:41.120 And if these men decide, Hey, I want to fix my life and get a job, the first paycheck they
00:23:47.080 get, it's going to be docked almost 85, 90%.
00:23:50.400 And a lot of these guys are like, screw it.
00:23:52.960 I'm just going to live on the street, turn myself in for child support evasion, you know,
00:23:58.300 in the fall, spend the entire winter in jail, get out in the spring or whenever.
00:24:02.700 And they just live in this pool of helplessness and it is evil beyond compare.
00:24:10.780 And I understand you want to save everything, but, you know, sacrificing men in your church
00:24:18.440 to save the civilization is not the answer.
00:24:21.620 There's a reason why most of the congregations out there are mostly women because the minute 1.00
00:24:29.000 a man shows up there, they want to pawn off these swamp donkeys, which are these women 1.00
00:24:34.340 with multiple kids or, or multiple divorces on these guys coming in. 1.00
00:24:38.480 And it's, it's a bunch of bullshit. 1.00
00:24:41.560 So Nick, you were a pastor, right? 1.00
00:24:43.720 Yeah, I was a pastor.
00:24:44.800 What was like your experience?
00:24:46.660 I know you ended up getting divorced after you had seven kids.
00:24:51.640 Yeah, she had been constructing a narrative where I was, you know, quote unquote, abusive,
00:24:58.180 verbal, emotional, sexual, physical, you name it.
00:25:03.200 Even like my facial hair apparently was abusive.
00:25:06.180 I literally have that text message.
00:25:07.920 She tried to beat me and I ran, ran to the church like I usually did. 0.99
00:25:12.900 She had a history of beating me, called the police, had lasers on my chest, threw my ass 1.00
00:25:17.520 in jail, couldn't see my kids for eight months, lost custody of my kids because of my religious 0.99
00:25:22.360 beliefs, because of my patriarchal religious beliefs.
00:25:26.580 I fought for that in the church.
00:25:27.760 I still do.
00:25:28.620 And I believe it.
00:25:29.260 These religious women, especially if they're traditional, they have all the more incentive 1.00
00:25:34.480 to try to screw you over, excuse my language, or F you, whatever you want to call it, to 0.96
00:25:40.620 morally justify their shameful behavior.
00:25:43.880 So they will increase the charges to justify leaving you.
00:25:48.680 They can be false charges because they can't deal with the shame factor of the sisterhood, of the church ladies.
00:25:58.400 Versus if you had a woman that wasn't even a Christian, it might not even be as bad. 0.98
00:26:02.040 You see your kids develop, but you have no real say on what's going on in their life.
00:26:07.820 You see the lack of structure.
00:26:10.640 You see the lack of discipline. 0.94
00:26:12.780 You feel the pain when you drop them off, that their lives are probably screwed. 0.97
00:26:17.960 And that's not a damn thing you can do about it.
00:26:20.040 I think there's this idea that it's not common, right?
00:26:22.860 That it's like a 1% chance, like that it won't happen to you.
00:26:26.180 Because you are like an expert with the different stats.
00:26:28.600 So I was wondering if you could kind of go through them.
00:26:30.480 I'll run you through it.
00:26:31.140 80% of the divorce is filed by women.
00:26:33.380 And that even goes up to 90% if you add in college educated women. 1.00
00:26:37.180 And furthermore, if a woman is working and she makes close to what you make, 1.00
00:26:41.720 hurt your chances of getting divorced go up quite a bit.
00:26:45.300 Okay.
00:26:45.580 Now, of the 85-15, 85% of the time, these women will get custody of the children no matter what. 1.00
00:26:54.740 I've seen women get custody of their convicted felons, you know, in drug rehab, 1.00
00:27:00.340 working, you know, as sex workers. 1.00
00:27:03.120 Okay.
00:27:03.260 Of the 15% where the man actually gets the custody of those kids, 5% to 7% of the time,
00:27:11.480 the mother didn't show up in court and he won by default.
00:27:15.780 So the true number is somewhere between 93% and 97% of the time, or 95% of the time,
00:27:24.820 the children are going to the mother.
00:27:27.640 And if you look at the stats of, you know, the end result of children of fatherless homes,
00:27:36.440 85% of the felons in court or in prison are there because they came from a single mother home.
00:27:43.440 You know, the rapists overwhelmingly come from single mother homes. 0.94
00:27:47.780 Drug addicts, any of your mental instability, all of those go up through the roof when they
00:27:54.420 come from a single mother home.
00:27:55.640 And while you're going through your divorce, the entire court will look you in the face
00:27:59.680 and say, we're doing this for the best interest of the child.
00:28:04.720 And in reality, it's all financially motivated.
00:28:09.320 If you haven't heard of Title IV-D money, that is basically where the federal government
00:28:16.720 reimburses the counties for collecting child support from these fathers.
00:28:22.520 And they're reimbursed from the Social Security fund anywhere between $0.35 to $1.50 per dollar
00:28:32.360 collected, depending upon the different aspects of the situation.
00:28:38.580 So when we run out of Social Security money, all of that could be blamed solely on the feet
00:28:45.500 of the single mother.
00:28:46.540 I guess I'm having trouble understanding why you can't practice a traditional marriage
00:28:50.700 and abide by, for example, what the church teaches and treat marriage as a sacrament and
00:28:56.480 structure marriage as a traditional marriage, despite what the current marriage laws are.
00:29:03.200 Can you control another person?
00:29:04.780 Of course not.
00:29:05.500 But even if the laws were totally in favor of traditional marriage, I still couldn't control 0.96
00:29:10.080 another person.
00:29:10.780 Okay, so if your wife tomorrow said, I want to leave, what leverage do you have to make
00:29:15.680 her not?
00:29:16.180 How could you stop her?
00:29:17.180 I have no leverage to control anybody in that regard.
00:29:20.060 Well, that's why you don't have a traditional marriage. 0.99
00:29:22.360 Because if tomorrow she says, I want to leave and steal your children, she can. 1.00
00:29:26.560 So she automatically has the leverage.
00:29:28.920 And if she goes to court, there is a 90% chance she gets primary custody, meaning you'll never
00:29:34.360 make another primary decision.
00:29:36.120 She gets to pick where they go to school.
00:29:38.360 She gets to pick who's around your kids.
00:29:39.900 You get every other weekend.
00:29:41.560 So you can't have a traditional marriage because she has the leverage. 1.00
00:29:45.820 So what you're saying is that in a traditional marriage, the husband has complete control over
00:29:53.480 what the wife can do? 1.00
00:29:55.080 I'd say in a traditional marriage, they stay together.
00:29:58.480 At the bare minimum, it wouldn't be rewarded.
00:30:01.140 The bare minimum is one person isn't paid to leave.
00:30:04.700 And if we're going patriarchal, that would mean the men get the children. 0.99
00:30:08.500 So you're saying that the traditional model should be invoked into law would be what your
00:30:13.920 guys' solution?
00:30:14.820 If I, well, I'm not saying one way or the other.
00:30:18.200 I'm saying that it is not traditional.
00:30:20.160 I'm saying in 2024, you can't have a traditional marriage.
00:30:23.520 How we fix the legal system, there's, I mean, I would say get rid of child support, alimony,
00:30:28.480 50-50 custody off the bat.
00:30:30.180 That's exactly what I would say as well.
00:30:32.600 Stephen Baskerville says default father custody would fix everything because it's by default
00:30:37.340 patriarchal.
00:30:38.300 And hence, that's what's worked forever.
00:30:40.800 Yep. 0.99
00:30:41.280 There's a reason why when you remove the father, crap goes crazy. 0.99
00:30:44.460 Absolutely correct. 0.99
00:30:45.540 I agree.
00:30:46.180 I mean, I agree.
00:30:47.260 And the stats would also, the stats say that if there is a single parent household, that
00:30:51.940 statistically the children would be better off if the father was the single parent.
00:30:56.420 I would be fine with that, but it's, it goes back to, it's not make a wish.
00:31:00.340 That's not happening tomorrow.
00:31:02.200 So I can't blame men if in the meantime, they choose to walk away.
00:31:05.520 And I don't think that makes them less moral.
00:31:07.560 I don't think you're more moral because you chose to take the risk or less moral.
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