Pearl - March 25, 2025


Tomi Lahren Gets DESTROYED By Andrew Wilson For Her Feminist Mindset | Pearl Daily


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In this episode of Thick & Thin, the guys discuss the new season finale of HBO's "The Handmaid's Tale" and its impact on the culture on college campuses. They discuss toxic masculinity and how it affects the way young men grow up.

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00:00:00.000 and I am so happy they went with someone else because they gave me the best TV that I have
00:00:07.440 seen in so long. Oh, this would not have been the same if I was on it. I saw The Crucible
00:00:14.940 destroy, destroy Tommy Lauren. Oh, it was so funny. So as you guys know, right here,
00:00:23.100 no, it wasn't about right here is Tommy Lauren. Tommy Lauren was a big Fox News host back in the
00:00:27.440 day. She was just known for being like this blonde. You know what? I'll show you guys one 1.00
00:00:31.580 of her old rants. You know, I personally, I don't fear it, but it's amazing. I'm a millennial. I look
00:00:36.600 at my fellow millennials. I look at those that are on college campuses right now and I see them
00:00:40.500 actively protesting for fewer rights. They want less free speech. Let that sink in. That's the
00:00:47.820 problem. That's the culture on college campuses right now. And they really need to change this
00:00:51.860 because I don't think they realize how damaging they are to themselves. Now, can we be honest here?
00:00:56.180 Why is she employed? Can we just be real? Be real. Is she employed because she has a lot of life 1.00
00:01:02.280 experience at like 22? No, she's employed because she's hot. Like, let's just let's just in conservative 1.00
00:01:09.340 media. She's like a 10 because remember all the mids going to conservative media. If we were hotter, 1.00
00:01:14.820 we'd be on like we'd go be models or something. But, you know, us mids, we got to do some work. So
00:01:20.680 here we are. So again, in conservative media, she's like a 10, you know, into the future on college 0.52
00:01:29.200 campus. Really? Sure. But to respect women, to not behave in a misogynist way and to behave in a
00:01:35.460 pretty decent way generally. But I'm also aware that they've grown up in an era when the likes of
00:01:41.320 Andrew Tate and others have become increasingly dominant in the way that a lot of impressionable
00:01:47.240 young men start to think and view women. And for all that Andrew Tate can say that is positive about 0.98
00:01:53.460 getting fit and being successful and confident and so on, there's indisputably a hardcore streak
00:02:00.440 of misogyny that runs through his veins, which I think has been quite damaging to young men. So
00:02:07.420 I'm, you know, I'm not all in either way here, but I can certainly see the arguments. Where do you sit?
00:02:12.880 Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that this, this, so I watched the show and it just goes through a typical
00:02:19.040 feminine view, right? So all of these things are always through the prism of the feminine. 1.00
00:02:23.820 So young boys, they don't do well at school. They don't do well in school because it's all programmed
00:02:28.840 for the feminine. Stay still, hold your hands, right? Be quiet. Boys are rambunctious. They like 0.79
00:02:34.380 to beat each other up. They like to be mischievous. They like to break things. They like to do that kind of
00:02:39.700 stuff. There's no outlet for them to do that stuff. Their teachers are all women, right? 1.00
00:02:45.000 There's basically all masculinity is now considered toxic. Basically all of it. The same women who are 1.00
00:02:51.180 getting their double shot of espresso on the way over to the school they're about to teach at,
00:02:56.600 they're 24 years old. Sometimes they're banging their own students, right? Hilariously enough.
00:03:01.720 And then these people go out to parliament, the same women will go to parliament. They vote 1.00
00:03:05.480 to send men off to war to stab each other in the face with bayonets. And you're concerned about
00:03:11.540 toxic masculinity. It cracks me up. It's like the brutal savagery of men is a necessary
00:03:17.600 precondition for society to exist. And we just kind of pretend like it's not. And this show should
00:03:23.620 actually be an indictment on the feminine rather than the masculine, because basically masculinity is
00:03:30.380 just punished everywhere all the time, nonstop. It's no wonder guys like Andrew Tate get so famous
00:03:35.600 in these spaces. I mean, what's the alternative? The alternative is everything must be feminine, 1.00
00:03:40.660 tone policing, nonsense like this. It's ridiculous. 0.99
00:03:43.760 All right. James Barr, you were laughing, but I don't think you had a joy what you're hearing. 0.93
00:03:48.060 No, I mean, that's, I don't think you've seen the show. Episode two is shot entirely in it.
00:03:52.520 So again, we got the more dominant guy. We got Andrew Wilson, right? And then we got the two
00:03:59.760 simps. It's always this dynamic. There's one guy who has balls and then the rest will attack him
00:04:06.460 for the woman. It's so obvious. 1.00
00:04:09.740 This school, I didn't see one of the female teachers drinking a double shot of espresso 1.00
00:04:13.980 at all. None of the teachers were flirting with students. There were male teachers as well. I don't
00:04:18.900 think you're describing the show here. I think you're describing your own insecurities or
00:04:22.420 agenda. There's gaslighting. Yeah. So this doesn't contend with the argument. Like,
00:04:26.800 do you understand that I'm making an argument in the indictment of society itself based around
00:04:31.620 my ideas that I'm, I'm seeing from this show? That's what I'm actually doing. So if you could
00:04:36.020 contend with the fact that male savagery is necessary for the security of a nation and that
00:04:40.740 women will indeed vote in the future in parliaments to send men off the war to stab each other in the 1.00
00:04:45.200 face at 18 years old with bayonets, perhaps you can contend with that before we start, you know,
00:04:50.980 getting into, well, tell them policing is actually good and toxic masculinity is actually bad. It's
00:04:56.400 like, I think there needs to be a little bit more toxic masculinity or what you consider to be toxic
00:05:00.700 masculinity. Well, great. I'm glad you think so. Nothing. I mean, I just like, you got nothing.
00:05:07.240 KKB says, look who's monetized now. Congrats. I've always appreciated you guys telling these guys what
00:05:13.000 women are like in reality as the mom of a grown conservative son. These are all the things I've 1.00
00:05:18.800 preached to him as he's grown up. Much love for, for you long time, but for, from your long time,
00:05:25.140 but only lady fan. Thank you. I didn't think you guys existed. I better, if there's any women
00:05:30.760 watching, put a comment under the stream. Cause I, I don't really think there's any.
00:05:36.140 I don't need to argue with that. You just unlocked. You just unlocked. You got nothing.
00:05:40.840 You're, you're making up. You do seem unusually. I've not said anything. I haven't literally said
00:05:45.420 nothing about toxic masculinity at all. I'll tell you what, you can't argue with a completely
00:05:50.280 illogical argument that has, like, I've not made any of the comments. It's a logical argument.
00:05:53.960 You may not agree with it. I've not made any of the comments. He's making a perfectly
00:05:56.120 illogical argument. That you are firing at me. None of those comments are things I've said
00:06:00.160 or believe in. All right. I want to bring Tommy in. Cause Tommy, you've got a very interesting
00:06:03.760 perspective, I think. You've talked about something different. You call it the
00:06:07.140 pussification of men. Oh, I'm getting too excited. Cause it's so good. Look at, do you see Andrew? 0.99
00:06:15.980 He's ready. You see him. He's like, I am ready to go. And then Tommy. Oh, oh, which is a great
00:06:24.180 phrase. Uh, I'd love you to just explain what you mean by that, but also you're not a fan of Andrew
00:06:29.120 Tate or the influence he has. So that's makes you, I think an interesting commentator in this area.
00:06:34.420 So just explain first of all, the pussification of men. All right, Piers. Well, I think, and I 0.75
00:06:39.200 can't see you all. So forgive me if I'm incorrect here, but I think I'm all, I'm the only female on
00:06:43.920 this panel. So I'm really anxious to weigh in. Okay. So I think over. Why do you lead with your
00:06:49.620 gender? I mean, the last probably 10 years, there has been what I call the pussification of men. It 1.00
00:06:55.640 was everything should be about your emotions and your feelings and men were emasculated. And this whole
00:07:01.500 concept of toxic masculinity warped the minds of a lot of young men and they felt masculine. They
00:07:07.500 wanted to be masculine, but society was telling them they should be softer, that it was being
00:07:11.640 toxically masculine. If you wanted to play sports and chop wood and go to war. And so men were so
00:07:18.320 emasculated and so beat down that then there was this revolution of what was actually toxic masculinity,
00:07:26.080 the Tate brothers and others, which I feel as a female, that that doesn't represent true
00:07:31.340 masculinity. That to me represents douche beggary. And as a woman, I want a strong man who is a 0.96
00:07:37.260 protector and a provider that will go to war if need be, that will protect me, protect my family,
00:07:42.980 make money. I see that as being actually masculine. That's like the man that I remember.
00:07:47.620 For masculinity is only celebrated when it's in the service of women. So all of the things she 0.87
00:07:55.040 listed, they don't benefit you, the male, they benefit her. I grew up with my dad. But what we're
00:08:01.440 seeing now is these young men who look at Andrew Tate and the Tate brothers, and they see somebody 0.97
00:08:07.000 who's just quite frankly, a douchebag and disrespects women. And because they've been so emasculated,
00:08:11.880 they're like, Oh, great. That's a manly man. But that's not right either. So at some point,
00:08:16.860 I think we'll go back to maybe meeting in the middle here. You can be a man who has feelings
00:08:21.920 and emotions, but you can also go to war and protect and defend your family. I'm hoping we
00:08:27.060 can get back there. So whenever women say it's about balance or meet in the middle, it's just 1.00
00:08:33.200 them arguing to argue. And it's very easy to say that because they make no point. Like what is the
00:08:38.900 middle? Are you the one that deciphers what the balance is? The two extremes right now,
00:08:45.700 they're confusing men. And quite frankly, they're leaving women with few choices. And that's the
00:08:51.300 real tragedy here.
00:08:52.760 Yeah. So again, now she's complaining there aren't enough men for us. Really? Someone who
00:08:58.040 looks like that? No masculine, none.
00:09:01.360 I completely agree with you. But Andrew, you were shaking your head quite vigorously. Why?
00:09:05.640 Yeah, well, I mean, it's just more feminine or feminist nonsense, ultimately. And the covert 0.52
00:09:10.580 feminism in society is big, especially on the conservative side. So here's, here's what 1.00
00:09:15.100 happens, right? Women need to have feminine virtues for men to be pursuing masculine virtues 1.00
00:09:21.680 for you to say things like, well, men, what I want is for men to protect me and I want men
00:09:26.340 to make money. Well, that's great. What that ends up doing is it gives you a set of privilege
00:09:30.840 in society. What do men get? What do men get for doing that for you? 0.60
00:09:35.920 Do you look at her face? Look at her face. She's never been told the truth ever in her life. This is
00:09:43.140 the problem. Look at you get women like this and they get clout too young and they have no one to 1.00
00:09:48.080 humble them. They just think they're right about everything. They really do. I mean, what are we
00:09:54.260 getting from women for doing that? Are we getting, look at, he says, what are we getting from women in
00:09:59.000 in return? Why is that an offensive question? Chased virgins on our wedding night? No, we're
00:10:05.180 not getting chased virgins on our wedding night. Are we getting women of great virtue? No, we're not
00:10:10.080 getting women of great virtue. The idea of courtly love is supposed to be done like for women of great
00:10:17.060 virtue. Where are they? Well, they're nowhere. And so in modernity in society, when conservative
00:10:22.120 influencer, female conservative influencers say this, it's actually a form of covert feminism. 1.00
00:10:26.740 They're saying, I want privilege in society. Right. But what is it? Women are giving to men 1.00
00:10:31.340 to get it. What? What are they giving them? Tell me. Well, can I please chime in here?
00:10:37.760 Yes, you can. And then James can. And I'll come to you, Sean.
00:10:40.880 No, I would love to. I love this whole thing of like, if you're a female conservative and you don't 0.71
00:10:47.260 believe that men should be douchebags, that all of a sudden you're a covert feminist. Call me a feminist. 0.99
00:10:52.900 I really don't give one crap one way or another, but I can tell you. 1.00
00:10:56.620 She gives a crap. She definitely gives a crap. You see her. Did you see her eyebrows? Her eyebrows 1.00
00:11:02.900 were moving through her Botox. Do you know how? Cause you see, I'm, I'm, I got nothing in the face.
00:11:09.460 So you could see that like, if her eyebrows are moving through all that Botox. 0.93
00:11:15.180 A lot of these men, these podcast hosts on the right, they like to think of themselves as these big
00:11:21.380 masculine men. And what am I getting out of it? I can tell you that should. Okay. Imagine if you, 0.69
00:11:26.660 as an employer, you said you, I wanted to hire someone. And I said, Hey, what do I get out of
00:11:32.200 hiring you? And the person says, well, you know, you think you're so cool with your podcast. And I
00:11:38.900 mean, the guys are like, what do I get out of dedicating my life to you? She freaks out.
00:11:45.100 There's that feminism. All right. I believe I'm home and avert you, right? Yeah. There's the
00:11:49.280 feminism. Oh. And then, and then you're interrupting me too, which is great. I let you talk. It's my
00:11:53.660 turn. Okay. And then she can't handle being interrupted. You're in a debate show. Oh, I'm
00:11:59.300 sorry. Did you want to speak over a man? Yeah. I don't care if you call me. I don't really 0.99
00:12:02.480 care if you call me a strong independent woman. Yeah. Yeah. You're actually interrupting me. I
00:12:08.340 didn't interrupt you when you were spewing your bullshit. So now it's my turn. Okay. So like I 1.00
00:12:13.560 said, look, so I believe I'm a, there we go again, Piers. I'm a woman of virtue. I happen to be
00:12:20.340 independently successful. I have a husband who's not only a former professional athlete.
00:12:24.260 So now she's trying to defend her reputation because again, these women think what they think 1.00
00:12:30.140 is they get virtue points because they are conservative. And so oftentimes, like we have
00:12:36.840 a tendency to have shittier personalities because, you know, we don't really, you know,
00:12:42.320 we attribute saying conservative things to being a better person, but men don't care.
00:12:48.020 They do not care. But is currently a professional baseball coach. So is he not a masculine man?
00:12:53.940 I mean, I'm confused here. What's your concept? So again, conservative women cannot help, 1.00
00:12:59.480 but using their family to virtue signal. So she's trying to say, no, no, no, I'm a good woman.
00:13:04.860 My husband used to be in the MLB and he's a coach. Okay. I'm a good woman. So they use their
00:13:11.380 relationships for clout. Don't you understand that that misses the point?
00:13:14.860 Mine is a man who respects me. Yeah. That misses the point though. Like you're still not contending
00:13:19.260 with the argument that I'm making. What's your point? I'm saying inside of society, right this
00:13:22.560 second, right? Masculinity. Oh, I'm so happy they picked her. I am so happy, Pierce. I'm not even mad.
00:13:31.680 He is not only punished, but also women on the right, covert feminists on the right are constantly 1.00
00:13:36.700 and consistently talking about how they need to have privilege in society. I want men. Their version 0.87
00:13:41.540 of masculinity is men who take care of us, men who protect us, men who do all of this. Those are all
00:13:46.680 duties that men have towards women. Great. What are the duties that women have towards men? What
00:13:52.220 are the duties that women have towards anything? What do men get out of this arrangement? What are
00:13:57.420 we getting out of this arrangement? Can you tell me? I mean, you, as I was going to a second,
00:14:00.940 most men are born that way. Tommy respond to them. Yeah. And she still can't answer the question.
00:14:06.860 What do men get out of it? And then I'll come to you, Jess. Most men are born to be protectors
00:14:12.960 and providers. I can't imagine my dad saying, you know what, to my mom. See again, do you see what
00:14:19.720 you dads do? Do you see what you do? You guys create breaths. You really do. It's the simp dad
00:14:27.240 effect. You know what? I'm not going to be. Do you think she heard the word no from her father ever?
00:14:33.280 Protect her and a provider. Unless you do this, that's not how she's my little princess. It's like,
00:14:38.060 for what? Really? For what? How real men operate. Real men are protectors and providers. Yeah. And so
00:14:44.200 this is where I have a PowerPoint on this. So again, what happens is we go back to conservative
00:14:52.040 women. They see the men. They say feminism. Yay. I want to be like the men. I'm going to join a man's 0.86
00:14:58.160 world. Oh no. If I get fired, I'm going to falsely accuse them or create drama. And then if they don't
00:15:04.640 get what they want, they scream, you're not a real man. And then, so they want all the benefits of
00:15:10.640 traditionalism, but without giving up their job, nagging their husband or giving obedience. So yeah,
00:15:18.280 they can never say what do the men, oh, I forgot to put kids in there. If they do have kids, they got
00:15:22.900 to get a nanny to raise. Obviously they can't do it. They're busy. Fighters and they marry women who 1.00
00:15:29.220 hopefully have some virtue, but also bring a lot to the table as well. That are great mothers, 1.00
00:15:34.200 great wives, caretakers of the home. There's nothing wrong with being a traditional wife and 0.99
00:15:38.640 mother. You're misunderstanding me. If you think that I think that women should just be out doing 1.00
00:15:43.140 whatever they want. I think that there are gender roles that you respect. But I don't think a man
00:15:47.840 needs to get something. He said, I love getting lectured by a woman on what real men are. Even the 0.99
00:15:54.220 guy in the middle laughed out of it to be a manly man, a protector and a provider. If
00:15:59.600 you think you need to get something out of it, I quite frankly, don't consider you a real
00:16:03.660 man. Yeah, she has nothing. She has nothing. But we'll discuss in a moment whether Andrew
00:16:07.860 Wilson is a real man. Piers, I offer nothing. I offer nothing. You offered me a lot of things,
00:16:13.520 Tommy. You didn't offer a single argument. Okay. Super chat from, so you are trying to take
00:16:20.940 off the mask. I always love having you on the show. You know that. Let's go to a real
00:16:24.640 man, James Barth. Thank you. I do see myself as a man. And I know that you'll be looking
00:16:28.980 at me thinking, well, you're not. You're wearing makeup. You're wearing colorful clothes. Like,
00:16:33.320 look at me. I'm really camped. My nails are painted. I mean, they are worrying. You're
00:16:36.480 sat there smoking a cigarette. I'd love to get a vape out and start drinking. So now the
00:16:40.720 men will start arguing for her. And especially, I'm going to skip over a little bit. So this
00:16:46.380 other guy then starts simping for Tommy. Oh, man. And it's so funny. She looks so smug.
00:16:52.180 She thinks she won. He's mad. You see, he's like, how dare you talk to a lady like that?
00:16:59.120 Yeah, thanks. Yeah. So I think, you know, first of all, we got to understand that we have an
00:17:03.760 amazing responsibility as a parent. Now, here's the thing. Conservative men are the worst in a
00:17:09.280 different way. So conservative men, what they've done is they've taken a bad deal and they're 0.91
00:17:14.740 miserable. Okay. And everybody can tell they're miserable. You know, like Matt Walsh, he's getting 0.99
00:17:19.720 henpecked by his wife. It's not his house, you know. And they, like, miserably, misery loves
00:17:27.760 company. And so what they love to do is they signed the marriage contract. So they signed
00:17:33.200 up for misery, right? And they want all the other men to be miserable with them. And they'll 0.84
00:17:38.460 say they're irresponsible or shame them if other men benefit from female sexuality.
00:17:44.340 So, cause again, they didn't get the best years of their wife. They didn't get the best
00:17:49.580 out of their wife. So when a guy is sleeping around like Tate and he's getting these women 1.00
00:17:55.400 to get naked on camera for nothing or like, just, you know, just, you know, just cause they
00:18:02.060 can't believe it. They're like, this is immoral, but it's only cause they can't get anything
00:18:06.240 out of the women. So they're jealous. They're jealous. I won't lie. I've never seen a guy that
00:18:11.220 it's very easy for him to cheat, not do it. I've seen men that are too lazy to go do it
00:18:16.760 or they think it's too much work or will cause too much problems. But guys, can we just be
00:18:21.860 honest here? You could be the best wife in the world, but if he sees a hot 22 year old 1.00
00:18:26.740 and you're like 45, it's over. Just take the L. Just, you know what I mean? Just, just eat
00:18:32.880 it. Just makes vast assumptions and generalizes too much. Tony, what are you a woman? Like that's 0.92
00:18:39.540 what women say. All right, Tommy, you were born a simp. Therefore you got, you get nothing 1.00
00:18:44.940 feed from the home and to have these open conversations with our young children. All
00:18:48.840 right. Whether they're male children, female children, we have to make sure that we're 0.73
00:18:53.420 having open door conversations and we are tackling the hard subjects because if we don't, if we
00:18:59.240 don't take care of everything at home, we don't take care of everything in public, like
00:19:02.520 at school and other forces within society that make tell some of us met our wives when we were
00:19:08.200 19. Are we talking about the exception or the rule? Are most men, are Gen Z men going
00:19:14.960 to meet their wives when they're 19? You know, I'm sorry. We're beefing today, chat. We're
00:19:20.520 beefing. Help raise our children. We always say it takes a village. Well, it certainly does, 0.79
00:19:25.460 but it starts at home. And if you cannot have these open conversations and allow your children
00:19:30.180 to be honest and open with how they are feeling about society and the things that they are seeing,
00:19:35.160 they are going to go to misogyny. They're going to go to the Andrew and Tristan Tate's of the world.
00:19:39.800 And they're going to, they're going to learn how to be a man from that. And that is not what society
00:19:44.000 needs. It's not what the world needs. That is not. That is. So again, they also have a hero complex.
00:19:48.520 So they want the psychology is they want the world to look up to them, the conservative men.
00:19:53.900 And they use, they don't be like, they want to use their virtue to have other men look up to them. 0.98
00:20:00.400 It's not masculinity. It is masquerading as misogyny.
00:20:03.320 How do we, how do we protect young men from the easy access at the moment there is to people like
00:20:09.880 Tate? I mean, how do you actually put a ring fence around them so that they are, you can tackle
00:20:15.420 exactly what you've just said, but they're not also being dragged into that world.
00:20:19.900 It's tough because they're growing up in a world. We never grew up in peers. We didn't grow up with
00:20:24.580 the internet. We didn't grow up with Tinder, Instagram. No, I was taught. I was taught how to
00:20:30.220 treat women by my mother, my grandmother, open the door, a lot of strong women in my family. 0.96
00:20:36.640 Of course there are strong women. And they would just take no crap from the men. So that's the 1.00
00:20:41.900 environment I grew up in. Absolutely. So how do we insulate our children from this? By having
00:20:46.780 conversations, putting parameters around the social media aspects of life and having the
00:20:51.040 conversations at home. Hey, hey, son. Hey, daughter. This is what you're going to see out
00:20:55.140 there in the real world. This is what you're going to see on the internet. If you see something like
00:20:58.720 this, that is not how a true man is supposed to act. And hey, that's not how a real man is supposed
00:21:03.880 to treat you. Right. So we have to have the conversations. Yeah. Andrew, do you intrinsically
00:21:10.300 disagree with what you've just heard? Yeah, I do. I think, again, all of this is always
00:21:16.420 the burden on men. Burden on men. Burden on men. Men need to be doing this. No, it's a family,
00:21:21.360 Andrew. The family. Hang on. Hang on. The family, Andrew. Husband and wife. Husband and wife.
00:21:24.900 Yeah. So let me back up. Okay. Again, men need to do this. Men need to do that. What I'm talking
00:21:31.360 about is what duties do women have in society? Three people. No one can answer his question. 1.00
00:21:37.560 What are the actual women's duties towards men? Everybody is raised from the time they're kids, 1.00
00:21:43.240 how we're supposed to treat women. We all know how to treat women. We never talk about how men are
00:21:47.840 supposed to be treated. That's almost never discussed, especially by how women are supposed 1.00
00:21:52.200 to treat men, what their duties in society are. This has been completely dispelled. Guys like Tate
00:21:57.840 have risen because Christianity itself has become a feminized religion, especially the Protestant sex 0.97
00:22:04.120 has become completely feminized. And it didn't used to punish masculinity at all. And now it does.
00:22:10.380 And so where's the alternative? Where's the spiritual alternative? It's nowhere. And we need
00:22:15.160 to get back to this fundamental question of what even is misogyny? Because I don't think that men
00:22:20.360 kicking the crap out of each other, being brutes, you know, insulting each other, hazing each other, 0.99
00:22:26.180 even bullying each other is misogyny. Not only do I not think it's misogyny, I think it's perfectly 0.99
00:22:30.900 healthy. Yeah, but I don't think that's misogyny. Is that the argument? Yeah, but that is not
00:22:35.180 misogyny. Well, no, no, hang on, hang on. How women see this is... Misogyny is where you have a 1.00
00:22:40.060 hatred or, you know, whatever you want to phrase it, towards women. It's not about men treating men.
00:22:45.860 Sorry, toxic masculinity is what I'm referencing here. And toxic masculinity is what they're claiming 0.97
00:22:50.580 leads to misogyny. So what I'm talking about is these are all masculine traits. There's nothing wrong
00:22:55.460 with them, right? When you're talking about misogyny itself, I want to know what that even
00:23:00.940 is. Is it just asserting yourself to women? Telling women no? Telling them no, that's bullshit?
00:23:05.980 No, I would say it's... Okay, let me answer you. Telling them you're saying stupid things? 0.99
00:23:09.100 Andrew Tate says he's quite open about it. Women should stay at home. They shouldn't go out to work. 1.00
00:23:14.580 They should do what he tells them. He's the king of the castle in his house, blah, blah, blah, blah,
00:23:19.160 blah. That is misogyny.
00:23:20.460 Okay. So again, why wouldn't you want a man to be the king of the castle in his own house? 0.90
00:23:28.320 Isn't that how you want him to feel?
00:23:30.760 Isn't it? You know, I've got a daughter. I've got a 13-year-old daughter. I don't want her thinking
00:23:34.600 she can never leave the house. She's somebody's... It's not never leaving the house. Look,
00:23:39.540 it is true that the world would be a better place if we didn't have it inverted and women did have a 1.00
00:23:44.800 natural role at home and that that was glorified and that there was government propaganda around the
00:23:48.900 nuclear family and keeping women home. Why do you want to outsource the raising of children to 1.00
00:23:53.760 strangers instead of your wife? That's a way better society. Why do you want your best and 0.50
00:23:59.720 brightest women forced to go to a workplace instead of the best and brightest women staying at home, 1.00
00:24:05.540 raising their children? That's a way better system. It's always been a better system.
00:24:09.240 I guess we're talking freedom of choice.
00:24:10.400 That's not massaging women to do anything. It's freedom of choice. It's freedom of choice. 1.00
00:24:15.960 I want my... I love the fact that my wife's out there working, teaching kids and building 1.00
00:24:20.980 adolescence. I love that. I love that. And to your point about what do I get from a woman? 1.00
00:24:26.260 I have a home. I have three beautiful children. I have...
00:24:29.260 For now. I don't know if you'll have that in a year, much less a decade.
00:24:34.940 Communication in the house. And to me, that means more than anything. I don't understand
00:24:40.040 where... I'm not saying you're wrong in your world, but to sit there and say to a woman, 1.00
00:24:46.120 what do I... And do you see Tommy? She's so happy that the simp is fighting for her.
00:24:50.240 None of them have answered is so simple question. What do men get out of it? Men aren't getting
00:24:56.020 children. They're getting maybe one. If I get out of this woman, that's treating her 1.00
00:25:00.640 like an object. One thing I... Okay, so it's okay to treat men like objects. Give them duties. 0.90
00:25:06.580 I don't feel like an object. I feel respected in my home. Okay. And do you know what? I have
00:25:11.480 to be honest. A lot of these guys are kind of idiots. And I got to be honest, guys. And 1.00
00:25:16.680 it's okay. I've done some idiotic things. So I'm not even... I'm not... This isn't trying 1.00
00:25:21.260 to come from a place if I'm better than them or... Yeah. So I don't want it to appear
00:25:25.860 like that. But, you know, there's decisions I've made in my life and I've looked back and
00:25:30.140 just thought that was idiotic. That was dumb. And that's what I think a lot of men look 1.00
00:25:34.800 back when they get married to a miserable wife. They're like, I didn't even Google the
00:25:39.460 divorce laws. That's pretty dumb, right? So, yeah. I mean, this guy, he just hasn't had 0.99
00:25:46.840 any consequence. And maybe he never will. I hope he doesn't. But he wants you all to
00:25:51.240 suffer too. And you know why? It's for him. He wants a better future for his kids. Most
00:25:57.300 men don't even know if they're going to have kids. So what the conservatives are saying are
00:26:00.540 you young men who may not even have a wife, who may not even have a family, have to sacrifice
00:26:06.160 your life for my children. Tough sell. That's a tough sell. Nobody can... And they say, what
00:26:13.460 do I get in return? They still got nothing. I'm not angry about it. How come it is in
00:26:17.540 the United States that men can be drafted? Women can't be drafted, but women can vote 1.00
00:26:22.080 to send men to war. 18 years old, they're stabbing each other in the face with bayonets.
00:26:26.440 Women can vote to send men to war that they themselves do not have to fight. It's a duty 1.00
00:26:31.320 that men have, they do not have. What's the counter duty for women? There's no obligation 1.00
00:26:35.940 for women to have children well under replacement rate. It's slated 45% of women will be single 0.64
00:26:41.260 in the next 10 years, up to 60% in the next 30. That's the estimates right now. Our replacement
00:26:47.720 rate, we can't even replace our own country's birth rates. That's how low they are.
00:26:52.300 Maybe that's people like you that's causing the problem.
00:26:55.000 This is what we're seeing as a systemic issue inside of society because nobody will put duties
00:26:58.680 on women. Instead, you just pretend men have all the duties.
00:27:00.260 Maybe it's men like you that are making that happen. Maybe you're the problem.
00:27:03.720 I can't understand why you are sat there confidently thinking of yourself as a victim constantly. You
00:27:14.100 have a platform and you're sat here like, I'm a victim. What are women doing for me? What 1.00
00:27:17.740 happened in your childhood that has made you so traumatized as an adult that you cannot
00:27:22.180 stand women succeeding? I'm so confused. I feel like the problem is not, and actually, 1.00
00:27:26.960 maybe this is our fault. Maybe this is the left's fault. Maybe this is modern society's fault for
00:27:31.900 leaving people like you behind. But genuinely, we do not hate men and toxic masculinity has been
00:27:37.340 thrown around a lot. Ultimately, some of what you're saying is toxic, but that's not because
00:27:42.080 you're a man. That's because you're an idiot. All right. Okay. So, so just to give you a quick 1.00
00:27:46.780 rejoinder here, didn't contend with a single argument I made. You just said, why are you acting like a
00:27:51.340 victim while you're here talking about how women are victims? You're not contending with arguments
00:27:54.840 that other people make. It's wild to be. It's so wild to be. Let me go to Tommy. Tommy, I want to play
00:28:02.420 you a clip. This is from a show called Newsnight on the BBC in the UK, where the host, Victoria Derbyshire,
00:28:07.620 the panel of young men, and asked them, when was the last time you cried? Let's watch this.
00:28:11.360 When was the last time you cried? Honestly, the last time I cried, I couldn't tell you.
00:28:15.880 Same with Leo, I can't really remember the last time that I cried fully. A lot of times
00:28:21.880 I feel emotion and I look at myself, why can't I cry? We're told to suppress our emotions.
00:28:26.960 I feel like... The Conservatives, even though I mostly align in nuance, I still think of this
00:28:32.020 battle as between men and women is selfishness. So guys, we may be treated a certain way that evokes
00:28:38.860 an idea that we have to be extremely strong and upfront and here as a man, and I'm going
00:28:46.600 to be composed at all times.
00:28:48.360 Now, I've got a slight issue with this, Tommy, in the sense that one of the most devastating
00:28:53.200 moments for me as a movie watcher was watching James Bond blubbing in the last Bond movie.
00:28:58.260 I don't think to prove you're a modern man, you need to be sobbing all the time.
00:29:04.060 You know, I can't remember the last time I cried. It doesn't make me less of a man or
00:29:08.260 less empathetic to people or anything. I think this, again, the pendulum issue of what we
00:29:13.780 want men to be, I think we're now trying to persuade a lot of young men, if you're not
00:29:18.700 emoting all the time, then you're being suppressed in some way. You know, we have over here the
00:29:24.900 British stiff upper lip, which I think is a really bad rap. I think it's not a bad thing 0.96
00:29:29.800 to actually not over-emote. Your thoughts?
00:29:34.120 I agree.
00:29:35.120 I think it's...
00:29:35.460 Oh, sorry, Sean. I'll come to you.
00:29:36.880 That was for Tommy. I'll come to you in a minute, Sean.
00:29:39.260 Oh, sorry, Tommy.
00:29:39.820 For Tommy.
00:29:40.340 Sorry.
00:29:40.760 Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all, Piers. I don't think that men should be trained to
00:29:46.020 be overly emotional and that that should be a sign now of new maturity, being emotional.
00:29:51.120 I don't agree with that. I don't think there's anything wrong with men crying in certain
00:29:54.900 circumstances. Listen, everybody has a different journey. Everybody has a different set of
00:29:59.360 circumstances. There are circumstances wherein men crying I have no issue with. It's also
00:30:03.980 not up to me to tell a man when he can or cannot cry. I personally prefer the men in my life not
00:30:10.160 to be overly emotional, but that's just a personal preference. Really, who am I to tell a man how
00:30:14.820 he should exhibit his emotions? But again, I think that there is two sides here that are both too
00:30:20.560 extreme. You've got the one hand that wants men to be feminine and cry and show their emotion 1.00
00:30:25.780 and be weak. And then you've got the other side that says you cannot cry. You must always
00:30:30.520 be strong and you should look at women as an object. So again, there's got to be a happy
00:30:36.300 medium here. I think there once was, but now because of, again, I agree there was an overreaction
00:30:42.340 of the feminist movement to make men weak. I don't agree with that either. I just wish we could come to
00:30:48.400 a place where there was a happy medium. And who gets to decide the medium? You, of course.
00:30:53.700 Where people could just. Now this is just, you're not behaving the way that I want. That's what she's
00:30:59.040 saying. Be human beings who could have a gender role, but weren't married to that gender role in
00:31:03.580 absolute. Okay. So now she's saying we could be human beings who would have a gender role, but not
00:31:09.220 married to that gender role. So that's how the conservative women get around. They want the clout and the 1.00
00:31:13.960 benefit of appearing traditional without doing any of the hard things like putting away their media
00:31:19.140 careers, raising their kids, not having a nanny do it or not putting their relationship on the
00:31:26.280 internet. I don't blame them. Do you know what I mean? I mean, like they get paid to talk. I'm not
00:31:30.760 even saying they shouldn't do what they're doing. I mean, if your wife could get $3 million a year
00:31:37.440 to do a couple news shows and you, you work a little like it's 2025, but it's not what they're
00:31:45.120 selling. Right. That's the point. Yes. There's gotta be a place for that. I would certainly hope.
00:31:50.320 Yeah. Andrew Wilson, when was the last time you cried? When I had a death in my family.
00:31:55.180 How long ago was that? If you don't mind me asking. Many, many, many years. Yeah. Many years. I don't
00:32:00.560 know. Maybe a decade, something like that. Right. So you haven't, you haven't shed a tear in a decade.
00:32:04.280 I don't think so. No. Would you see it inherently as a weakness in a man? Well, yeah. Men, listen,
00:32:11.400 you don't want men to fall to pieces in crisis. You're the head of a family. You're the head of
00:32:14.880 your household. And also you're the heads of nations. You have a moral obligation not to fall
00:32:19.380 to pieces. In fact, I would say you're duty bound not to. You need to be able to control your
00:32:23.620 emotions and you need to be able to attempt to control them at all times. It's not to say that
00:32:27.380 you're not going to lose control. Nobody's perfect. But I think that the idea of the stoic man is a much
00:32:32.380 better prospect for the idea of like this leftist that I'm arguing with next to me on
00:32:36.180 the panel. I would not want to be that guy, that person who just cannot control their internal
00:32:42.440 emotions. They can't do it. And unfortunately, again, this is through the viewpoint of the
00:32:47.560 feminine prism that it's only through empathy, right? Empathy first. And it's like, no, it's
00:32:52.700 not always about empathy. It's also about reason. It's also about logic. It's also about understanding
00:32:57.580 that we live in a carnal world full of warring tribes who are always killing each other. And 0.52
00:33:02.040 that's part of the human condition. You can't afford to have your men losing control to emotion.
00:33:08.640 Okay. James, when was the last time you didn't cry on a date?
00:33:13.380 I haven't cried today, but I did cry yesterday and I think it's okay to cry. And it's funny that
00:33:19.620 you keep trying to goad me and saying that I don't have control of my emotions. I think I have
00:33:23.840 incredible control over my emotions because I know what's upsetting me and when. And I'm able to
00:33:30.440 call it back. What happened to you cry?
00:33:32.940 Oh, his reactions are so funny.