Pearl - August 13, 2025


Tradcon Candance Owens Continues Her Spiral In the Latest Argument on X


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12 minutes

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1,974

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185

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11

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Toxicity

15

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Candace Cameron Bure has a run-in with the biggest conservative smear artist in the game, and she's here to make sure you don't miss it. Join us as we discuss how Candace handled the whole situation, and why she should have handled it differently.

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00:00:00.000 We do not have that money just laying around.
00:00:05.440 Jesus, seven houses. 0.92
00:00:08.240 He says, at the peak of my popularity, all of a sudden there's a coordinated smear campaign
00:00:13.100 by the biggest conservatives who wouldn't give me the time of day a few months ago.
00:00:17.840 This is what happened when you start naming names and talking to, okay, well, we're not
00:00:21.400 going to say who we're talking about.
00:00:22.700 I wanted to focus more on the coordinated attack.
00:00:26.080 That's a female thing. 1.00
00:00:27.180 So it doesn't surprise me that Nick had this, him and Candace crashed out.
00:00:33.040 And now the woman goes to all of his business associates, like what happened to Brian, and
00:00:39.520 gets them to go after him.
00:00:41.300 And women do it in a very subtle, manipulative way. 1.00
00:00:44.040 You know, they'll call them up.
00:00:45.140 They'll express their grievances.
00:00:46.900 They'll tell a one side story.
00:00:48.520 They might even sprinkle in some stuff to piss them off and then they'll get them going. 0.58
00:00:53.640 Um, I could not get over you literally dedicating hours to lying about me now, pretending you're
00:01:01.640 being victimized as a response.
00:01:03.480 How did men ever fall for this act?
00:01:05.540 That's another one.
00:01:08.600 Gaslighting.
00:01:10.020 It just, you know, it never ends.
00:01:11.880 Um, it never ends.
00:01:19.240 Wait, where's, I want to find the back and forth because it was pretty funny.
00:01:22.300 Hold on guys.
00:01:23.220 Here it is.
00:01:23.840 So she says, my second offer to Nick, if he agrees to sit down and actually debate me with
00:01:29.540 a moderator and the date of time of his choosing, I will there for set up his dream debate with
00:01:34.900 Charlie Kirk.
00:01:35.640 He told his audience, I'm an illiterate fraud.
00:01:38.460 So the offer should be irresistible. 0.80
00:01:41.180 Well, Candace, I got to be honest. 0.91
00:01:42.580 If he views you as an illiterate fraud, he probably doesn't want to talk to you. 0.95
00:01:46.300 And, and that's the thing.
00:01:47.540 We just have a tendency to feel entitled to men arguing with us.
00:01:51.780 Like we just have to be right.
00:01:53.480 So bad.
00:01:54.360 We have to crash out.
00:01:57.380 I know I shouldn't have said his full name, but it's fine.
00:02:01.060 If there's a real offer, then have Charlie Kirk confirm and I'll consider it.
00:02:04.780 Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself.
00:02:07.360 Everyone knows you wouldn't be begging for me to come back.
00:02:09.780 If your first hit job succeeded, it's always the loser asking for a rematch.
00:02:14.780 We never debated.
00:02:15.540 It was never marketed as a debate, nor did I ask to come down and debate.
00:02:20.000 Now, will we debate the lies you spread on my character and your views?
00:02:24.020 Yes or no.
00:02:24.560 If I can guarantee Charlie Kirk, will you debate?
00:02:26.740 So Candace, women will protect their reputation with their life. 1.00
00:02:32.300 That's why we don't, we crash out in this industry, right?
00:02:34.640 That's why we just go crazy.
00:02:36.360 She's going crazy saying, trying to defend her reputation where men will just, you know, 1.00
00:02:43.320 take the hits and just keep going because they're focused on the information.
00:02:47.140 And I don't think she realizes how drama like invoking this just, it looks so bad on her.
00:02:54.780 It just looks like, like she could be talking about all the Palestine is real stuff.
00:03:00.380 And she says, no, I want to defend my reputation.
00:03:03.700 Candace, can we just be honest here?
00:03:05.340 You don't have the best reputation in this industry.
00:03:09.620 You don't have the worst one either.
00:03:13.260 Like, and I'm sure I don't either.
00:03:14.880 So it's not like, it's not like I'm throwing this stone and saying my reputation is click.
00:03:20.620 It's, you know, but I don't think you have the reputation.
00:03:27.640 You think, you know, when you crash out on your old boss, yeah, that might get you clicks
00:03:33.820 for like a week, but deep down, I'll think you're crazy, right? 0.99
00:03:38.980 I'll, I'll think you're kind of insane.
00:03:40.500 Um, you know, um, so he says at the peak of my popularity, all of a sudden there's a coordinated
00:03:55.280 smear campaign by my biggest conservatives who wouldn't give me the time of day a few
00:03:59.540 months ago.
00:04:00.580 This is what happens when you start naming names and talk.
00:04:03.160 Okay.
00:04:04.220 Wait, where is the, oh, we read this one already.
00:04:06.340 Is there another?
00:04:07.040 I swore there was another.
00:04:08.500 Okay.
00:04:08.900 Maybe I clicked the wrong one.
00:04:11.320 Hmm.
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00:05:56.540 Nick is running circles.
00:05:59.300 Oh, here it is.
00:06:00.180 This is the back and forth.
00:06:02.200 Okay.
00:06:03.540 He's not going to because I know he knows I am telling the truth.
00:06:07.380 He lied about me, my husband, and my family to sow chaos.
00:06:12.620 If everything he said about me was true, why wouldn't he want to join to expose me?
00:06:17.560 I'll let him pick the date and his own moderator.
00:06:20.960 Speaking of George, why didn't you press Milo for publicly calling your husband gay? 1.00
00:06:26.500 If you're such a tough bitch like your granddad, where was that energy? 1.00
00:06:30.480 Okay. 1.00
00:06:30.720 I'm not going to talk about the J stuff. 1.00
00:06:33.000 You're such a fake bitch. 1.00
00:06:34.540 It's really insane. 1.00
00:06:36.100 I'm going to skip the J stuff. 0.99
00:06:39.220 I could see you're coming undone and trying to pivot here.
00:06:42.560 Why don't you ask me in person instead of your virtual tough guy act where you throw wild
00:06:47.560 allegations and claim everyone's trying to kill you.
00:06:51.320 And, you know, it's like, again, Nick actually did have someone try, like, try to kill him.
00:06:57.960 So, it's, again, women using, like, a weak moment to throw stones. 1.00
00:07:08.740 And then I'm going to look at Candace's replies in this, too.
00:07:11.900 Oh, I thought this was insane.
00:07:22.860 I don't have that money.
00:07:23.780 I really do.
00:07:24.920 Yeah.
00:07:25.600 Here we go.
00:07:28.400 And this lawsuit, we got an estimate this weekend from a legal team.
00:07:34.100 It is going to cost us millions.
00:07:37.600 I don't have that money.
00:07:38.520 I really don't.
00:07:41.760 I got to tell you, like, the estimate that we got, and I want to be clear, this is if
00:07:45.640 it goes all the way through.
00:07:47.200 So, they said, like, from start to finish, if it, if this doesn't, if they don't drop
00:07:51.900 this at some point, blah, blah, blah, here's how much it's going to cost you just to get
00:07:54.960 through the deposition phase.
00:07:56.120 Here's how much it's going to cost you to go all the way through.
00:07:57.380 And I just, was this worth it?
00:08:01.300 You're costing your family $5 million.
00:08:04.120 Now, there's some things that you could argue are worth it, right?
00:08:08.460 I don't know if some old lady dude pretending to be the other gender, I just don't know if 1.00
00:08:14.640 that's worth it.
00:08:15.440 And they are estimating $5 million.
00:08:17.260 It's like a lot of money.
00:08:18.400 But that's what I mean.
00:08:19.040 We get into drama.
00:08:20.080 Man pays for it.
00:08:21.700 It's just always how it goes.
00:08:23.160 And we do not have that money just laying around.
00:08:27.380 Oh, wow.
00:08:33.760 Wow.
00:08:34.260 How many houses do you need?
00:08:35.900 Jesus.
00:08:36.560 She's got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven houses. 0.98
00:08:43.480 Wow.
00:08:44.100 I wouldn't even want to.
00:08:45.340 Oh, my gosh.
00:08:52.780 So, I thought we could actually sell some t-shirts.
00:08:56.460 I just picture people wearing this, like, at the, other than, like, we know what it
00:09:01.480 means, like, hashtag free Emanuel.
00:09:02.840 It's, like, subtle enough.
00:09:03.680 I really like this free Emanuel.
00:09:04.900 You're going to see somebody wearing a kitchen and be like, we know.
00:09:07.760 Oh, what's up?
00:09:08.580 We know.
00:09:09.740 All right.
00:09:10.460 Um.
00:09:10.960 I want to see the Candace.
00:09:18.640 Candace had a few other replies where I was just like, why are we, what is the purpose
00:09:24.220 of this?
00:09:24.900 Or she was replying to Nick, and I'm just like, this is so classic.
00:09:38.180 Um.
00:09:39.580 Second offer to debate, Nick, Nick, if he agrees to sit down and debate me, I will therefore,
00:09:45.900 um.
00:09:48.100 I played clips from his own show.
00:09:50.240 He's genuinely this soft.
00:09:52.500 Again, this is gaslighting.
00:09:54.000 It's like, you took clips from a year ago.
00:09:56.500 When we're all YouTubers, you don't know the context of the stream, and you're just having
00:10:03.920 him defend everything he said about you instead of talking about, like, the issues.
00:10:10.320 And then you're going to gaslight when he's like, you know, maybe we could have focused
00:10:14.200 on the important things.
00:10:18.420 Um.
00:10:26.500 All right.
00:10:30.760 This is what she said to Nick, but like I said, how you wanted to play it, I was cordial
00:10:34.240 in person, and after war, I had a sort of what the F just happened feeling as I digested
00:10:39.440 it.
00:10:39.960 Anyways, we did it.
00:10:40.940 It will speak for itself.
00:10:42.320 You don't like me complaining about it.
00:10:43.840 That's how I feel.
00:10:45.500 Yeah, and that's, um, that happens all the time in media.
00:10:49.100 That really does.
00:10:51.180 You know, because you'll, you'll do an interview, and again, because the interviewer gaslights
00:10:56.140 you, that's how I felt after, um, what was it?
00:10:59.880 Oh, my gosh.
00:11:01.020 Oh, who was it?
00:11:03.280 The.
00:11:06.740 Those two, like, gay guys, um, in Britain.
00:11:11.120 I don't know.
00:11:11.460 They had ambushed me about Nick after I had him on, and I just, after, I was like, what
00:11:19.060 the hell is, what was that, you know?
00:11:22.520 And then she says, your victim mentality is exhausting.
00:11:25.080 Nobody ever does anything right.
00:11:27.480 They either don't have you on, um, when they want to have you on, you didn't get everything
00:11:31.320 you wanted.
00:11:32.360 Every, even when you are told there is no true limit.
00:11:35.820 Totally.
00:11:36.100 Like, so this is just more gaslighting.
00:11:38.460 Your instincts are deceitful. 0.77
00:11:40.400 You have a Judas personality type. 0.84
00:11:42.460 Like, do you, I don't understand how you guys have Jesus crosses in your bio.
00:11:46.560 Do you know what I mean?
00:11:52.600 I just don't, yeah, the trigonometry, you know what I mean?
00:11:58.800 It's just, okay, let's see.
00:12:08.240 Um, all right.
00:12:10.360 I think that's pretty much.
00:12:12.160 Um, we added the theologian into the editing, but we were able to confirm dropping it tomorrow.
00:12:28.200 Okay.
00:12:28.800 Wait.
00:12:29.740 Hmm.
00:12:32.180 Unfair attack.
00:12:33.260 Does the victim mentality not exhaust you?
00:12:35.580 He's been attacking me for two weeks straight. 0.99
00:12:37.600 Um, he's a wealthy gay. 0.99
00:12:40.520 Yeah. 0.98
00:12:41.020 Oh, that's the other insult women put in. 1.00
00:12:43.080 They call the men gay.
00:12:46.420 I just, you know, how can you say that and then have the cross in your bio?
00:12:55.420 Anyways.
00:12:56.000 Okay.
00:12:56.300 We're going to move on to the actual talk topic.