Pearl - ＂We're NEVER Returning To Traditionalism＂ Pearl Discusses The State Of Marriage With @thisisshah

00:00:00.000 Hi, Shaw. How are you?

00:00:02.000 Hey, Pearl. I'm doing well. Can you hear me okay?

00:00:05.000 Yeah, I can hear you fine.

00:00:07.000 So the question of today, and I thought you'd be the perfect person to ask this because if you guys don't know, Shaw actually used to calculate child support.

00:00:17.000 That's what you used to do.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, I was a child support officer at a child support agency here in California.

00:00:24.000 So I would do the guideline calculator and the DNA swabs and things.

00:00:28.000 Yeah. So you had to see, you know, you saw marriages at the end, you know, not a lot of

00:00:33.600 people really get to see the insights of what's going on. Yeah. I got to see the, well, when they

00:00:40.460 fell apart. Exactly. Yeah. So, and you're, from your point of view, what parts of tradition are

00:00:46.600 worth conserving? Well, you know, I hate to be a pessimist, but it's okay. I'm a pessimist too.

00:00:55.220 I I I think there are obviously a lot of good aspects to conserve like I I like the idea of

00:01:01.820 people's families being involved in uh in the marriage choice and all these kinds of of things

00:01:08.200 because they can help to spot someone who is um you know maybe the woman's father or something

00:01:15.520 can help see some negative aspects in the guys and maybe the mom or the the guy's mom or whoever

00:01:21.720 can see the negative aspects in the, in the woman he's choosing. And, you know, to some aspect,

00:01:26.440 I think people do do this a little bit in terms of just introducing their bride to be or whoever

00:01:31.460 to their families. But I also, when I look at the laws here, it's hard because behaving traditional

00:01:40.700 gets kind of undone by the laws. And I've seen arranged marriages go through the child support

00:01:47.000 system too so you know even though the family pressure is there to keep them working once they

00:01:52.780 get here a lot of whatever holds them together can fall apart and um so it's not it's not immune

00:02:00.900 to anything but you know if I was going to try to conserve anything I'd just say it's the family

00:02:05.400 involvement especially when it comes to picking but even typically in arranged marriages at least

00:02:10.520 from the cultural background I'm from you know you still have to get consent from both parties

00:02:15.500 uh for the marriage but there are a lot of things that are similar here you know like with red pill

00:02:21.620 talking points and high value man and all this stuff it's just the differences is the family

00:02:26.020 is going to come and grill you about what you do for a living uh are you a good suitor or not for

00:02:32.360 for the bride and all these kinds of things and they're going to probably be a lot sharper

00:02:37.480 at distinguishing that you know and especially when it comes to marriage you kind of are marrying

00:02:42.260 the whole family. So you can see a lot of stuff from their family. They can try to pick out stuff

00:02:47.500 from your family. And I think that gives a clearer picture and there's more social pressure there.

00:02:52.720 But my opinion has always been just, you know, living in the U.S., the way our culture views

00:02:59.800 freedom, especially nowadays, I think is kind of incompatible with a lot of traditional living. And

00:03:06.960 I know that sounds crazy, but I kind of have this opinion that freedom used to be

00:03:11.380 freedom from, you know, taxation without representation, freedom from having soldiers

00:03:17.420 quartered in your home and stuff like that. But nowadays, it's more about freedom to

00:03:21.420 do whatever you want, it seems like. And it's hard to be traditional when, you know, people have the

00:03:29.540 freedom to step outside of those bounds of traditionalism whenever they feel like it.

00:03:34.160 So when it comes to aspects to preserve, it's really hard unless you see updates in the law

00:03:39.940 that make things happen. And it makes me, did you see this soft guy era stuff that's been going on

00:03:47.960 lately? It's really funny. And it's, I kind of view it as a men kind of transacting conditional 0.94

00:03:57.480 masculinity where women have been conditionally feminine. And I just kind of see us moving the 0.92

00:04:02.740 train along to unfortunately something that is away from traditionalism as far as the way our

00:04:10.000 culture is now because of the way that we value freedom in these things so what do you what is

00:04:15.660 there any adaptation that maybe maybe that we could do in the future like what do you think

00:04:21.940 the future will look like for people that do decide to get together well i think the kind of

00:04:29.440 provider thing will go away. Like, you know, women say they want men to protect and provide. 1.00

00:04:37.560 And well, I think now that we have equal opportunity employment and all this kind of

00:04:41.700 stuff, the provider thing could get split in half. But men, you know, will probably stop to do the 0.93

00:04:45.760 protection aspect of that, women, the nurturing. But when it comes to being a provider, especially

00:04:52.180 with the way the laws are, I mean, I would not want to sign on the dotted line unless she has

00:04:57.260 a similar monthly income to mine. And in fact, I think maybe an aspect of traditionalism we can

00:05:03.000 preserve is people marrying within class. You know what I mean? And it's just like, if you're

00:05:07.940 doing very well, maybe think about marrying someone that also has wealth if you're going

00:05:13.240 to actually sign for that. But that has its challenges too, because then it limits the pool

00:05:17.760 of who you can and cannot marry. But going forward, I think, you know, what we're seeing now

00:05:23.820 is less people actually getting officially married.

00:05:27.820 I can tell you from child support,

00:05:29.780 if you go to the Federal Office

00:05:32.180 of Child Support Enforcement's website,

00:05:34.160 that's the ones who report

00:05:35.740 to the presidential administration,

00:05:37.300 they synthesize a lot of data

00:05:38.960 and their most recent report will look at cases.

00:05:43.260 And what they see is that a lot more people,

00:05:45.700 especially in the millennial generation

00:05:47.140 and going forward, have never been married before.

00:05:50.700 So it used to be a lot of people

00:05:52.000 end up in the child support office were married uh but then they got divorced or whatever and

00:05:57.280 it slowly moved to know they had you know they were just never married more so than we've ever

00:06:01.840 seen before so i think going forward it's not going back to traditionalism uh in that way i

00:06:08.800 think we're gonna see more female providers actually because i was thinking about it i saw 0.95

00:06:14.720 something that said there was a uh a diversity and inclusion intern that made 22 an hour and a 0.99

00:06:21.880 fireman made 22 an hour and i was just thinking like if i if that was the household and one of

00:06:27.660 them had to go to work and one of them had to stay home what would be better for the kids

00:06:32.680 i mean whoever's bringing more money in well i was thinking like the the mom working would 1.00

00:06:39.320 probably make more sense because she's not putting her life in danger you know what i'm saying

00:06:43.500 because there's all these there's all these useless overpaid jobs for women i just think 1.00

00:06:48.520 there's gonna be yeah yeah i think there's just gonna be like a abundance of guys that just go

00:06:52.840 to the gym and start marrying these chicks well that's the funny thing about about the soft guy

00:06:57.920 era because it's it's almost like men just kind of touting their hobbies and stuff they're usually

00:07:03.520 shamed for is not being masculine it's like hey buy me buy me video games or whatever but it's

00:07:08.800 tough because you know when I look at myself like if I was going to sign on the dotted line

00:07:13.720 you know I date whoever but if it came to marriage then the question of how much do you make

00:07:20.080 from the woman's side would be important to me and from a child support perspective it's not even

00:07:25.540 about how much they made in the past it's really about how much they make now per month because

00:07:30.140 that's what we use to calculate it and uh you know as but you know then when you guys have kids then

00:07:36.360 she'll probably stop working, but then she can always go back to work and have some decent career 1.00

00:07:40.520 option. Now, that's the tough part because there are those biological factors that will limit who

00:07:47.740 works and who doesn't. But the most comfortable marriage for a guy is you're marrying a woman 0.98

00:07:54.180 who makes money because then if she decides to leave, I mean, she's going to be paying you. 1.00

00:07:59.720 And I know that's not traditionally masculine, but that's how I view things now. And I think

00:08:05.140 with this soft guy era thing, a lot of them are starting to pick up on that because they're

00:08:09.500 getting tired of watching guys get fleeced. Yeah. I saw this article too that said men

00:08:15.520 are going in debt from dating. It said people are, but we all know it's men.

00:08:20.040 Yeah. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, if men are expected to pay for the dating activities, typically,

00:08:26.380 you know, and even on instinct, I always do. There are a few times where women are like, 1.00

00:08:30.280 well, let me get it this time. And sometimes on pure instinct, I'm like, no, no, no,

00:08:33.220 don't worry about it. I'll get it just because that's what I'm conditioned to do. But if you're

00:08:37.440 a guy and you're dating a lot, then yeah, it's going to add up. Yeah. Well, you know, thanks

00:08:43.740 for calling in. Yeah. No worries at all. You're always a pleasure to have on. So any other

00:08:51.280 thoughts, just let me know. Any show, feel free. Absolutely. Thank you, Pearl. Yeah. Yeah, guys.

00:08:57.820 So the question I really have for conservatives, what part of traditionalism is worth conserving in the current structure?

Pearl - April 19, 2024

＂We're NEVER Returning To Traditionalism＂ Pearl Discusses The State Of Marriage With @thisisshah

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