Pearl - April 19, 2024


＂We're NEVER Returning To Traditionalism＂ Pearl Discusses The State Of Marriage With @thisisshah


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9 minutes

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1,676

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70

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

5


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In this episode, we have special guest, Shaw, talk about traditional marriage, child support, and what she thinks about the current state of child support in the United States. We also talk about the soft guy era and what it means for the future of our culture.

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00:00:00.000 Hi, Shaw. How are you?
00:00:02.000 Hey, Pearl. I'm doing well. Can you hear me okay?
00:00:05.000 Yeah, I can hear you fine.
00:00:07.000 So the question of today, and I thought you'd be the perfect person to ask this because if you guys don't know, Shaw actually used to calculate child support.
00:00:17.000 That's what you used to do.
00:00:19.000 Yeah, I was a child support officer at a child support agency here in California.
00:00:24.000 So I would do the guideline calculator and the DNA swabs and things.
00:00:28.000 Yeah. So you had to see, you know, you saw marriages at the end, you know, not a lot of
00:00:33.600 people really get to see the insights of what's going on. Yeah. I got to see the, well, when they
00:00:40.460 fell apart. Exactly. Yeah. So, and you're, from your point of view, what parts of tradition are
00:00:46.600 worth conserving? Well, you know, I hate to be a pessimist, but it's okay. I'm a pessimist too.
00:00:55.220 I I I think there are obviously a lot of good aspects to conserve like I I like the idea of
00:01:01.820 people's families being involved in uh in the marriage choice and all these kinds of of things
00:01:08.200 because they can help to spot someone who is um you know maybe the woman's father or something
00:01:15.520 can help see some negative aspects in the guys and maybe the mom or the the guy's mom or whoever
00:01:21.720 can see the negative aspects in the, in the woman he's choosing. And, you know, to some aspect,
00:01:26.440 I think people do do this a little bit in terms of just introducing their bride to be or whoever
00:01:31.460 to their families. But I also, when I look at the laws here, it's hard because behaving traditional
00:01:40.700 gets kind of undone by the laws. And I've seen arranged marriages go through the child support
00:01:47.000 system too so you know even though the family pressure is there to keep them working once they
00:01:52.780 get here a lot of whatever holds them together can fall apart and um so it's not it's not immune
00:02:00.900 to anything but you know if I was going to try to conserve anything I'd just say it's the family
00:02:05.400 involvement especially when it comes to picking but even typically in arranged marriages at least
00:02:10.520 from the cultural background I'm from you know you still have to get consent from both parties
00:02:15.500 uh for the marriage but there are a lot of things that are similar here you know like with red pill
00:02:21.620 talking points and high value man and all this stuff it's just the differences is the family
00:02:26.020 is going to come and grill you about what you do for a living uh are you a good suitor or not for
00:02:32.360 for the bride and all these kinds of things and they're going to probably be a lot sharper
00:02:37.480 at distinguishing that you know and especially when it comes to marriage you kind of are marrying
00:02:42.260 the whole family. So you can see a lot of stuff from their family. They can try to pick out stuff
00:02:47.500 from your family. And I think that gives a clearer picture and there's more social pressure there.
00:02:52.720 But my opinion has always been just, you know, living in the U.S., the way our culture views
00:02:59.800 freedom, especially nowadays, I think is kind of incompatible with a lot of traditional living. And
00:03:06.960 I know that sounds crazy, but I kind of have this opinion that freedom used to be
00:03:11.380 freedom from, you know, taxation without representation, freedom from having soldiers
00:03:17.420 quartered in your home and stuff like that. But nowadays, it's more about freedom to
00:03:21.420 do whatever you want, it seems like. And it's hard to be traditional when, you know, people have the
00:03:29.540 freedom to step outside of those bounds of traditionalism whenever they feel like it.
00:03:34.160 So when it comes to aspects to preserve, it's really hard unless you see updates in the law
00:03:39.940 that make things happen. And it makes me, did you see this soft guy era stuff that's been going on
00:03:47.960 lately? It's really funny. And it's, I kind of view it as a men kind of transacting conditional
00:03:57.480 masculinity where women have been conditionally feminine. And I just kind of see us moving the
00:04:02.740 train along to unfortunately something that is away from traditionalism as far as the way our
00:04:10.000 culture is now because of the way that we value freedom in these things so what do you what is
00:04:15.660 there any adaptation that maybe maybe that we could do in the future like what do you think
00:04:21.940 the future will look like for people that do decide to get together well i think the kind of
00:04:29.440 provider thing will go away. Like, you know, women say they want men to protect and provide.
00:04:37.560 And well, I think now that we have equal opportunity employment and all this kind of
00:04:41.700 stuff, the provider thing could get split in half. But men, you know, will probably stop to do the
00:04:45.760 protection aspect of that, women, the nurturing. But when it comes to being a provider, especially
00:04:52.180 with the way the laws are, I mean, I would not want to sign on the dotted line unless she has
00:04:57.260 a similar monthly income to mine. And in fact, I think maybe an aspect of traditionalism we can
00:05:03.000 preserve is people marrying within class. You know what I mean? And it's just like, if you're
00:05:07.940 doing very well, maybe think about marrying someone that also has wealth if you're going
00:05:13.240 to actually sign for that. But that has its challenges too, because then it limits the pool
00:05:17.760 of who you can and cannot marry. But going forward, I think, you know, what we're seeing now
00:05:23.820 is less people actually getting officially married.
00:05:27.820 I can tell you from child support,
00:05:29.780 if you go to the Federal Office
00:05:32.180 of Child Support Enforcement's website,
00:05:34.160 that's the ones who report
00:05:35.740 to the presidential administration,
00:05:37.300 they synthesize a lot of data
00:05:38.960 and their most recent report will look at cases.
00:05:43.260 And what they see is that a lot more people,
00:05:45.700 especially in the millennial generation
00:05:47.140 and going forward, have never been married before.
00:05:50.700 So it used to be a lot of people
00:05:52.000 end up in the child support office were married uh but then they got divorced or whatever and
00:05:57.280 it slowly moved to know they had you know they were just never married more so than we've ever
00:06:01.840 seen before so i think going forward it's not going back to traditionalism uh in that way i
00:06:08.800 think we're gonna see more female providers actually because i was thinking about it i saw
00:06:14.720 something that said there was a uh a diversity and inclusion intern that made 22 an hour and a
00:06:21.880 fireman made 22 an hour and i was just thinking like if i if that was the household and one of
00:06:27.660 them had to go to work and one of them had to stay home what would be better for the kids
00:06:32.680 i mean whoever's bringing more money in well i was thinking like the the mom working would
00:06:39.320 probably make more sense because she's not putting her life in danger you know what i'm saying
00:06:43.500 because there's all these there's all these useless overpaid jobs for women i just think
00:06:48.520 there's gonna be yeah yeah i think there's just gonna be like a abundance of guys that just go
00:06:52.840 to the gym and start marrying these chicks well that's the funny thing about about the soft guy
00:06:57.920 era because it's it's almost like men just kind of touting their hobbies and stuff they're usually
00:07:03.520 shamed for is not being masculine it's like hey buy me buy me video games or whatever but it's
00:07:08.800 tough because you know when I look at myself like if I was going to sign on the dotted line
00:07:13.720 you know I date whoever but if it came to marriage then the question of how much do you make
00:07:20.080 from the woman's side would be important to me and from a child support perspective it's not even
00:07:25.540 about how much they made in the past it's really about how much they make now per month because
00:07:30.140 that's what we use to calculate it and uh you know as but you know then when you guys have kids then
00:07:36.360 she'll probably stop working, but then she can always go back to work and have some decent career
00:07:40.520 option. Now, that's the tough part because there are those biological factors that will limit who
00:07:47.740 works and who doesn't. But the most comfortable marriage for a guy is you're marrying a woman
00:07:54.180 who makes money because then if she decides to leave, I mean, she's going to be paying you.
00:07:59.720 And I know that's not traditionally masculine, but that's how I view things now. And I think
00:08:05.140 with this soft guy era thing, a lot of them are starting to pick up on that because they're
00:08:09.500 getting tired of watching guys get fleeced. Yeah. I saw this article too that said men
00:08:15.520 are going in debt from dating. It said people are, but we all know it's men.
00:08:20.040 Yeah. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, if men are expected to pay for the dating activities, typically,
00:08:26.380 you know, and even on instinct, I always do. There are a few times where women are like,
00:08:30.280 well, let me get it this time. And sometimes on pure instinct, I'm like, no, no, no,
00:08:33.220 don't worry about it. I'll get it just because that's what I'm conditioned to do. But if you're
00:08:37.440 a guy and you're dating a lot, then yeah, it's going to add up. Yeah. Well, you know, thanks
00:08:43.740 for calling in. Yeah. No worries at all. You're always a pleasure to have on. So any other
00:08:51.280 thoughts, just let me know. Any show, feel free. Absolutely. Thank you, Pearl. Yeah. Yeah, guys.
00:08:57.820 So the question I really have for conservatives, what part of traditionalism is worth conserving in the current structure?