Pearl - May 15, 2025


What Do Men Get Out of Marriage in 2025？ @The_Crucible


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00:00:00.160 If we follow your prescription, let's just say, I'm saying all I'm asking is the question is
00:00:06.160 what's in it for the guy? Like if you're going to sell something, if you're going to sell a
00:00:10.920 prescription, which I don't do, but I'm saying like you have to answer the question, what does
00:00:15.540 he get? I think that there are virtuous women that men can still get and that they can practically
00:00:21.140 get them and that they exist all over the place and there's millions of them. Yeah, but Aaron
00:00:25.060 Clary's run the numbers on that. That's not true. Like if you calculate, I've read Aaron Clary. So
00:00:29.420 I've read Aaron Clary's book, right? But what is, just so you know, right? 1% of 300 million,
00:00:35.320 still 3 million, still a lot of women, right? And his numbers are not saying 1% are marriageable.
00:00:41.040 And what he's giving is he's giving a spectrum, right? He's saying, look, if you're willing to
00:00:47.000 put up with X, there's going to be 50% of women available for you. If you're willing to put up
00:00:50.720 with Y, there's 30%, right? But if you want a chaste virgin, no tattoo, no trauma, it's a very
00:00:57.040 small percentage. It's like, well, yeah, of course it is. But that probably was, it's
00:01:02.020 probably always been the case in sexual liberation that if you wanted a chaste virgin women, no
00:01:07.560 tattoos, no trauma, that's going to be a small percentage. I don't know if promiscuity was
00:01:10.520 even calculated in the study. Chastity, virginity. Yeah, it was, that wasn't in there. No? No,
00:01:16.300 he didn't calculate that. It was, um, debt. It was, it was tattoos. That's true. Um, it
00:01:21.580 was obesity. It was, um, I think those are the three main thing. It was number of tattoos,
00:01:27.560 debt, and obesity. Oh, see, I would have calculated in chastity too. Yeah, I know. But so he said
00:01:32.460 1% when you just calculate debt, obesity, and you know, so. Are marriageable. Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:38.380 From his, from his metrics. Yeah. So yeah. Okay. If you want to pay off a girl's debt,
00:01:42.080 but cool. But, and then he didn't even include like sex work. So like, again, it's kind of asking
00:01:49.060 the question, like what's in it for the average guy. I think, I think he did include chastity
00:01:54.520 numbers. Clary did in his book. Now that I'm thinking about it. I don't think he did. I could
00:01:59.640 be wrong. Yeah. I'll go back and take a look. I have his book, so I'll take a look. But either,
00:02:03.480 either way, it doesn't matter. Yeah. But ultimately what I'm saying is like, um, so, so when we're
00:02:09.800 looking at those metrics, you're looking at the metrics for marriageable, it's like,
00:02:13.440 well, let me ask you a question. What makes you marriageable? Nothing. Nothing. So nothing
00:02:18.980 makes you marriageable? No, no, no. Um, I mean, I have no debt, no tattoos. I wish I was a little
00:02:25.320 younger, but yeah. So that's it. No debt, no tattoos. No debt, no tattoos. Um, I mean, I'm a nice
00:02:31.340 person. I can cook. Um, I'd be a good mom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I would say then that if that,
00:02:37.360 those are the categories we're looking at, like body counts, not even in there, this and that,
00:02:41.100 um, when we're talking about debt to how much debt, it's like, if you come into a relationship
00:02:46.180 with $10,000 in debt, I don't think care of Medicare. I think the average is, I think the
00:02:50.900 average is 25,000. That's still not bad. Honestly, $25,000. Yeah. But the average guy makes like 40,000 a
00:02:57.860 year. Yeah. And average amount of time it takes off to pay off $25,000 of debt. If you're hyper-focused on
00:03:02.740 it, even if you're making 60,000 years, not bad. Right. But you could say, but like, this isn't a
00:03:05.960 great sell, right? Like that's what I keep asking, like what's in it for the guy. Now you're saying,
00:03:10.480 well, you can get a wife, but now you don't know. No, no, no. I'm just, what I'm, so here's what I'm
00:03:14.480 saying. I'm saying you're, these things that you say are, uh, you know, very high, like don't do it
00:03:21.500 because it's like, okay, so should I, let me ask you a question. Should I pass on a woman if she's,
00:03:27.160 hang on, if she's very virtuous and she has, she'll give me four children. She's super fertile. Cause she has
00:03:31.120 $20,000 in debt. Should I pass on her? That's up to you. Yeah. But I don't, right. I don't say,
00:03:36.280 I don't say shit or shit. That's the thing about the red pill that gets me. It's like,
00:03:39.640 but we're, but you keep switching it. I'm not asking you, I'm saying we got to, I'm not saying
00:03:43.600 do it or don't do it. I'm saying what's in it for the guy. And I'm saying on a balance of
00:03:50.200 probabilities, they can't get that and you can't prove it. Can't prove what? How would you know if a
00:03:55.800 woman's virtuous? Yeah. But I mean, well, how do you know anything? How, but you're dodging the
00:04:02.340 question. Like how, how could you, how could you prove that? Yeah. Like there's like the same way
00:04:08.000 that you can women's sex drive starts at like 16 and that's, I mean, I'm not even going to go in,
00:04:13.960 you know, but like, so the average woman loses her virginity at 16. The average age of first marriage
00:04:19.340 is like 28. So when you're looking at probabilities, right? Um, this is what your, your big thing is like,
00:04:24.920 let's look at the average and the inks of probability. No, I'm just, I just wanted to
00:04:29.620 answer the question. What's in it for the guy, like not, not do it despite this. That's what
00:04:34.340 would be in it for the guy would be a virtuous woman that would give them children, be a good
00:04:38.380 mother to them. That's, that's, that's what they would be moving towards. Right. But on average,
00:04:44.400 they're probably not going to get that. Yeah. There's going to be less of them. Yeah. So there's,
00:04:48.560 there's all sorts of mitigation strategies. One thing is a mitigation strategy is they get brides
00:04:53.320 from elsewhere. That seems to work out for some. Oh no. Oh no, no, no. You can't do that.
00:04:58.860 No, you don't feel you don't like the passport bros. No. Do you know what? If you bring them
00:05:02.140 back here, the, I, one of the worst, you stay there, you stay there. Yeah. But no guy wants
00:05:06.640 to move to like, in general, like women are 85% of travelers. So men in general, they don't like
00:05:13.020 to travel. Like most guys don't like, if I had to sell my brothers on move to another country to find
00:05:18.460 a good woman. Okay. So let me get this. Most people don't want to like uproot their whole
00:05:21.900 life. So let me get this right. So then if I were to follow this, if I were to follow Pearl Davis's
00:05:26.580 like entire viewpoint here, I just want to make sure I get it right. I'll steal man it. I'm going
00:05:30.220 to steal man it. Go on. There's no virtuous women, right? Basically any, any, well, okay. Basically
00:05:36.680 any, there's very few virtuous women. And you'd agree. That's true. I would agree that there's,
00:05:42.440 that's true. That's like objectively there's not many. Yeah. I would agree that there's less than
00:05:47.860 50%. Yes. Okay. For sure. Okay. Okay. So we're on the same. We agree. So because of that men,
00:05:54.280 right. Aren't, they're not going to be left with the choice of getting virtuous women. So they,
00:05:58.560 they just kind of fuck whoever they feel like it because that's what's left to them. I'm saying
00:06:03.480 that's already what's happening. Yeah, I know. And I'm saying, I'm saying if we want to,
00:06:08.520 should happen though. Well, I don't say what should happen. I say what is. Yeah. So I say,
00:06:15.260 I can't, I, I, I, what do we do about that though? How does that, how's that helpful?
00:06:19.660 My question is, it is burning. It's like, well, how do we put it out? It, but it is burning. Yeah. But,
00:06:24.420 but the way you're doing, like you're acting as if I have any control over what the world does. I can't
00:06:30.240 control that. I can't, I didn't make this society. I can't control how the world is. Right. I get it.
00:06:36.440 So what I'm, I just keep asking the question, what's in it for the man? That would be what
00:06:42.620 would be in it for men. And I don't think, I don't, right. But I don't think there are enough
00:06:47.040 virtuous women that that's going to be a good selling point because it can't be verified for
00:06:52.320 one and probability wise it's less than 50%. Well, what's the alternative to it though?
00:06:58.520 Well, it's already what's happening. It's why men are like bowing out. The sexes are going apart.
00:07:02.540 They don't seem like they're happier because they're bowing out. They seem like they're
00:07:06.740 happier when they find these verses. So let's just say, I don't know. I've met, I've met some
00:07:10.460 older players. They, they really are not in a bad. Yeah. Most of the guys I talk to play the field
00:07:16.720 when I talk to them privately, they're like, I wish I, yeah, I get a different story, but let's
00:07:21.340 just assume, I'm just going to assume the world. Right. But it's not like the guys married are in a
00:07:26.560 better place overall. I mean, so many men are in, like, why do you think we have phrases like
00:07:32.220 happy wife, happy life? Well, because of sitcoms, because of sitcoms. Right. But again, if, if the
00:07:39.300 results were so much better, it would be an easy sell. Yeah. But let's just, let's just say it's
00:07:43.500 15% though. Let's just say it's only 15% of women are virtuous. Okay. Okay. Actually, let's just do 10.
00:07:49.580 Only 10% of women are virtuous. You'd still recommend that women who wanted virtuous men marry those women,
00:07:55.800 right? Sure. Yeah. Okay. I mean, sure. Yeah. So you would still want them, but why would you think
00:08:03.100 that they should marry those women? Well, it depends what they want. I don't tell men how to
00:08:09.060 live. Right. Right. That's not my place. Like if you as a man want to go off and be by yourself to
00:08:14.000 your 50, I'm not going to tell you that's wrong. Why not? What if it is? Because I don't think it is.
00:08:19.900 Right. So now I don't, I don't, I don't think it's wrong if like for a man to live life,
00:08:24.600 if he lives, you're a feminist Pearl. Sure. Wait, you're a feminist. You're do as thou wilt
00:08:30.640 feminist Pearl. Right. But why, like, why am I to tell a man how to live? Well, you're not telling
00:08:35.540 a man how to live. You're telling women how to live. I think that's out of, I think that's out
00:08:38.820 of a word. Yeah, I agree. You tell the women how to live. You tell those virtuous women they need to
00:08:42.320 marry virtuous men. Yeah. And you think they'll listen. Good luck. Well, I mean, I think that they're
00:08:46.840 more inclined to listen to women than men. I don't think so. I think so. I've, I've watched women
00:08:52.280 watch like abortion videos and not care, but I mean, do, and still get one after. But do is,
00:08:57.820 do is thou wilt. Right. Is that's brutally like when you say, I don't, well, I don't care
00:09:03.420 ultimately. Right. I don't, I don't really care. I'm like, you should care though, because ultimately
00:09:08.460 with the reason you say those 10% it's, it's out of order for me to tell a guy how to live.
00:09:14.020 Right. I think that's out of order. Like, I don't think that's my place. Okay. But here's what
00:09:18.480 I'm trying to explain. Yeah. If you think those 10% of women who are virtuous should marry like
00:09:23.500 the 10% or you should get married to virtuous men. I said if they want to. The women, not the men.
00:09:29.120 If they, I mean, they could be nuns if they want. It's not my place. It's your life. Forget the
00:09:34.120 nunnery, but if they want to get married, they shouldn't marry shitbags. They should marry
00:09:37.580 virtuous men. Right. If that's what they want to do. If that's what they want. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
00:09:42.240 So, I mean, so if you're just diving into, even if they're virtuous, you're not sure. I'm like,
00:09:49.180 even if they're virtuous, I'm not sure what they should do. That's where I'm like, well,
00:09:52.720 my, again, it's not my place. Like you have to live with the consequences of your actions. And I
00:09:59.180 just think a lot of YouTubers get like a God complex where they want to tell everyone how to
00:10:03.260 live. And it's not my place. It's your life. Yeah. But I mean, like it's, if you, you get to live
00:10:10.340 life on your own terms, you have to deal with the consequences. Well, would you tell men like not
00:10:13.280 to become trannies? I mean, if they want to do that, I'd rather they didn't. See, okay. There we
00:10:19.780 go. I'd rather not. I'd rather they didn't. I'd rather not. I don't really want to look at them,
00:10:24.240 but let's just keep that combo. Okay. Yeah. Would you tell, would you tell, would you tell men like,
00:10:31.420 so you wouldn't make any recommendations? Like what if a man was like, I want to be a homosexual
00:10:35.880 and have 20 gay lovers? Well, I, I could give what I think is right and wrong. And that's my
00:10:43.460 personal opinion, but that's, that's not what I'm here to do. I'm here to stick to the facts.
00:10:48.440 Got it. Yeah. But this is great. Yeah. Right. So it's not a God complex then. So if you're saying,
00:10:52.880 I know what's right and I know what's wrong, then you tailor it. But according to my worldview.
00:10:58.640 Yeah. So you would tailor that worldview though, to the outcomes you wanted to see in society.
00:11:02.200 That's not a God complex. That's just like picking your neighbors. Right. Right. But I don't agree
00:11:08.000 because again, I think that every man has a right to live life on his own terms. And you're kind of
00:11:14.120 dodging the question, which ask it directly and I'll give you a guess, which is what's in it for
00:11:18.740 the men. Yeah. What's, what is in it for him? So I'll, I'll repeat it again. What does a man get out
00:11:25.460 of a, out of which thing a marriage? Yeah. Yeah. What he would get or what he'd be seeking for a
00:11:30.240 marriage would be a virtuous, non-vexing wife who gave him children, was a good mother.
00:11:34.600 But we agree that most men aren't going to get that. Correct.
00:11:38.100 We would agree that. Because that's less than 50%.
00:11:40.820 Yes. We would agree that that is the case. Correct. And until conservatives can answer
00:11:44.840 that question for men, it's going to keep going down. I'm not saying it's good.
00:11:49.500 Didn't I just answer the question though? What?
00:11:52.060 Yeah. So what, what, what is it that they're getting out of marriage or what is it that they
00:11:56.180 should be wanting and getting out? Not should I said, what, but what are they getting now?
00:12:00.320 Oh, descriptively. Yeah. Yeah. And that's my, that's what I'm getting at.
00:12:04.320 Yeah. But we already agree descriptively. That's the case. What I'm after is the next part where
00:12:10.140 we're like, okay, so what the fuck are we going to do about this shit? That's what I'm at.
00:12:14.400 Well, you, maybe you can start and change the laws and whatever. I just don't see it happening in my
00:12:20.460 lifetime. Really? You don't think so. You don't think there's any possibility that people, people
00:12:26.220 can run a social movement to change any of this stuff? Um, I don't see any evidence that it's
00:12:31.820 going to happen. Yeah. I mean, the whole economy is run on the female dollar. Women make eight, like
00:12:39.140 I always look at it as women, you make $8 off of women and $2 off of men. Yeah. For like the pink
00:12:44.560 tax, the pink tax. No, no. Women make 80% of consumer buying decisions. So there's so many
00:12:51.240 industries that just depend off of women working and women spending money. And I just don't see it
00:12:57.180 changing. I, I hope, you know, I hope you're right. It changed. Well, I mean, I hope you're
00:13:01.780 right. How does the propaganda work though? That gets all the women in the workforce against their
00:13:05.720 will. I don't think propaganda can't work to get them out of the workforce. Well, but I don't think
00:13:09.200 it's propaganda like that. I think it's what women want to do. Women want to do what?
00:13:15.080 Women wanted to work. Women didn't want to have kids. No, they didn't want to work. Definitely
00:13:18.340 not. And they definitely, uh, it seems like when I look at the regrets that I hear from
00:13:24.580 women more than anything by the time they hit their forties was that they did that shit
00:13:28.460 and that they feel like they were completely lied to about it. Yeah. That's what they say.
00:13:32.540 But that's kind of like a fat person, like saying they want to lose weight, but they don't
00:13:36.840 take any steps to like make it happen. They don't really want to lose weight. I mean, that's
00:13:40.380 common. Like if women, you know, if women have like, we get thousands of options on a dating
00:13:44.800 app. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So it's like, if you wanted to, you would, but we don't. So what
00:13:50.020 does that tell you? It's not what we want to do.