PJ The Belt - ALBERTA INDEPENDENCE TOWN HALL - MAY 21 2025 MUNDARE AB - ALBERTA PROSPERITY PROJECT

00:00:00.000 perfect that doesn't seem to be the case anymore at least if it ever was and i have to say the

00:00:06.840 re-election of the government that has been in power for the last 10 years and now has a four

00:00:14.400 year mandate to continue um and has placed our team you know get a load of this uh i am very

00:00:21.360 active on social media i'm at canada awaken on x so if you're ever on x and you're looking for

00:00:26.920 at Canada. That's me. And one of the things that you can see on X that really is telling

00:00:34.500 about this government is the fact that right now Canada is 37 in terms of GDP per capita

00:00:44.500 growth index. And we are now below Mexico. Mexico was a developing country not that long

00:00:53.560 or we're below them.

00:00:55.080 So that's a big wake-up call for most of us.

00:00:58.240 Another thing that is really a wake-up call

00:01:01.480 is the fact that now we have

00:01:05.200 somehow or other been signed on to the WA2,

00:01:08.000 pandemic preparedness.

00:01:11.000 Somehow or other, even though we didn't ask for this,

00:01:14.500 and now we're under this veterinarian,

00:01:16.540 Pedros, who's leading the WA2

00:01:20.140 and making all our health decisions for us.

00:01:22.580 A veterinarian.

00:01:23.560 I respect various veterinarians, but head of the WHO, not so much.

00:01:31.840 And, you know, one of the things we know is that that is going to lead to digital ID and ultimately digital currency.

00:01:41.540 And that's something that our very fine current PM has signed.

00:01:46.760 He's written about that in his book. It's called Values, published in 2021.

00:01:51.160 one. And he wrote about that. So we're up for digital currency, digital ID. So that's

00:01:57.180 coming. We also have a government censorship bill that's coming as well. You've probably

00:02:03.600 seen that. We have Vivo that's now in charge of that type of thing. Steven Vivo. Very nice

00:02:09.800 man. And so he's going to table a bill that's going to censor you. So the only people that

00:02:16.960 you will hear anything from through censorship is from the legacy media and of course we all trust

00:02:22.100 them a lot. So that's another reason why I am now here. Another thing that woke me up to what is

00:02:30.620 really going on is what went on through the COVID era. As a teacher I saw tons of government

00:02:37.180 overreach which you were very aware of and I refused to allow my freedoms to be taken away

00:02:45.480 and I fought for the kids that I was working with, and I lost.

00:02:50.780 So anyways, I did write a book, and I have, it's a trilogy, and this is a copy of it,

00:02:57.320 so if you want to get a copy of it, it's on Amazon.

00:03:00.160 It's called Mission Butterfly.

00:03:02.460 It's from the March of Mankind trilogy, and the first one is out, the second one's coming

00:03:06.280 out in September.

00:03:08.020 I write it in with a pen named Simone Georges, but it is about what went on through the pandemic,

00:03:14.700 And it's a dystopian story about what's going to happen if all these government controls actually happen.

00:03:23.180 And it's really a frightening thing when you think about it.

00:03:26.640 So this book, I thought I would just share with you if you'd like to get a copy of Isabella

00:03:31.020 and I'm about it.

00:03:31.620 I wasn't smart enough like Tanner and brought a whole bunch of copies myself.

00:03:35.600 I didn't know that was a possibility.

00:03:38.000 So anyways, I am an introvert.

00:03:41.000 And I'm a keyboard warrior.

00:03:42.840 So I have abandoned my comfort zone and I have decided I'm going to fight for a common sense of Alberta.

00:03:49.840 So that's why I'm so new. You won't see me because I have woken up and I said I have to fight.

00:03:55.840 I cannot sit back and let these things happen. And I do not want to see an Alberta because I've learned to love Alberta.

00:04:02.840 I am originally from Quebec, and yes, I am in front of the phone, originally, and I woke up and I said, I love this province, and I have chosen to remain here because it isn't the province that reflects my values.

00:04:18.220 in the province. There are so many Christian people that love God and love freedom and

00:04:23.620 love what I stand for, and so on. So it is so important. So I just want to let you know,

00:04:33.440 an independent Alberta is what the Alberta Prosperity Project is aiming for. It's non-partisan

00:04:39.180 and a not-for-profit educational society that aims to educate, inspire, and advocate

00:04:46.260 for all Albertans about the benefits of freedom and prosperity through independence.

00:04:50.340 So the movement began in May 2021 in a humble oil field shop in Nisco, Alberta, where a

00:04:56.060 group of Albertans, tired of the inefficiencies of our provincial leadership and the overreach

00:05:00.520 from Ottawa, decided it was time to act.

00:05:04.120 So the Alberta Prosperity Project was born, and here we are today.

00:05:09.260 So we'd like to begin our meetings with an opening blessing.

00:05:14.120 So Father David McLeod is here today to share an opening prayer.

00:05:29.160 In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:05:38.860 Lord, bless us as we discuss the future of this province.

00:05:43.280 and the benefit of her citizens.

00:05:47.420 Give us strength, courage, and openness

00:05:51.440 to meet the challenges of these confusing times.

00:05:56.900 May we keep you before us as our light in all our work.

00:06:02.900 And let's continue with our Father,

00:06:05.540 for I can tell you how it will be done to you,

00:06:08.980 like you will come, like will be done

00:06:11.580 on earth as distant heaven, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses,

00:06:19.360 as we forgive those who trespass our sins, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver

00:06:25.400 us to evil. Amen. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, of the Lord. Amen.

00:06:33.080 Thank you, Father. Okay, so without further ado, I'd like to introduce our first speaker,

00:06:38.400 Dr. Dennis Modry. Dr. Modry is a cardiothoracic surgeon and a critical care specialist who

00:06:44.400 started and directed Western Canada's first heart and lung transplantation program. During his 32

00:06:50.640 years in practice he also served on the Finance Committee of Successive Provincial Conservative

00:06:55.200 Governments since the Getty era. He is a founding member and chair of the Alberta Prosperity Society.

00:07:02.320 He is a fiscal conservative student of the Canadian constitution and is here to speak

00:07:06.560 to us on the benefits of Provincial Sovereignty. Please welcome Dr. Dennis Muldry.

00:07:22.000 Thank you for your introduction and welcome everybody. It's wonderful to see so many

00:07:26.640 so many people here this evening. And I want to thank the volunteers as well

00:07:33.840 who have worked diligently to get this being organized tonight, so thank you.

00:07:43.120 Now for a little amusement, I want to start off with a tribute to our former PM and the people

00:07:49.920 that supported him. In the words, the immortal words of Mahatma Gandhi, who was a brilliant lawyer,

00:07:58.640 He was an anti-colonial nationalist and probably did more than anybody else to bring about civil rights and freedom throughout the world.

00:08:07.980 But he was responsible for leading the independence movement that led to India's independence from British rule.

00:08:16.660 And so his immortal words are this. 0.99

00:08:19.180 If an idiot is in power, then those who put him there are well represented. 1.00

00:08:25.040 Now, I say that because in Saskatchewan, Alberta, Central and Northern BC, there were no idiots that put him into power. 1.00

00:08:38.180 And similarly, with our current PM, there were no idiots also in those same regions. 0.99

00:08:46.160 But what does it tell you? 0.98

00:08:47.340 It tells you that there's a very different value perspective between those regions and the rest of Canada.

00:08:55.920 And it's already been mentioned, but I want to add a little bit of meat to the bones of our current PM's book entitled Values,

00:09:05.880 in which he claims that Western civilization is morally corrupt.

00:09:14.880 It's morally rotten, the exact words that he said.

00:09:18.760 Corrupted by capitalism.

00:09:23.880 Corrupted by capitalism.

00:09:26.080 Which, in his own words, led to the climate emergency.

00:09:31.140 for which the solution is, again in his own words, to severely restrict individual freedoms,

00:09:41.140 businesses, agriculture, and the financing of those businesses pertaining to the oil and gas industry

00:09:51.140 and transportation, as well as agriculture.

00:09:55.140 And he talks about the results. He says, well, you know, there is going to be a number of industries that are getting in lands that will be stranded. In other words, this is going belly up.

00:10:11.640 He talks about other things such as internal combustion engines. You won't be able to buy them, you won't be able to use them or sell them.

00:10:21.640 He talks about everything pertaining to this kind of restriction, meaning the end of gas-fired barbecues, gas-fired stoves.

00:10:36.640 These are the kinds of things that he is thinking about.

00:10:41.640 And, as was said, a central bank digital currency, along with censorship, will control every aspect of your life.

00:10:51.640 This is a very dystopian future, and I don't think it's something that most people really realize what may be coming down the pipe.

00:11:02.620 So, what's the solution to all of this?

00:11:07.040 Well, we know that it's impossible to change the Constitution

00:11:11.560 because we have an imbalance in power

00:11:15.280 and there's no real mechanism to open and change the Constitution,

00:11:21.160 which would help fix a lot of these problems,

00:11:23.000 other than Alberta having a successful referendum on Alberta sovereignty.

00:11:28.580 That is really the only leverage that we have to make change that's been necessary for decades.

00:11:39.140 So, well, what does sovereignty actually really mean?

00:11:43.920 In the simplistic terms, it's self-governance, without external interference.

00:11:50.740 But to be clear, sovereignty is not a left or a right issue.

00:11:55.300 Sovereignty is a pragmatic issue.

00:12:00.000 It means freedom from persecution.

00:12:04.680 Political persecution, economic persecution,

00:12:10.120 religious persecution, cultural persecution.

00:12:16.120 That's what it really means.

00:12:18.680 And as a result of sovereignty, I can assure you

00:12:21.520 that when you analyze it, every Albertan will substantively benefit.

00:12:28.040 So why are we in this predicament?

00:12:32.080 And I think we need to understand a little bit of history

00:12:34.460 and what actually has happened to us.

00:12:38.200 So I want to take you back to September 1, 1905.

00:12:41.840 That, of course, is when Alberta and Saskatchewan were incorporated into Canada.

00:12:45.440 Thanks to the efforts of a gentleman by the name of Sir Clifford Sifton.

00:12:52.420 He was the Minister of the Interior in the Libra government of Sir Wilford Laurier.

00:12:55.980 But it's what he said in 1904 that was prescient.

00:12:59.460 It's really important to understand this because it explains why we are in the mess that we are in now.

00:13:05.380 So what he said to an audience in Winnipeg in 1904 were these words.

00:13:10.800 We desire...

00:13:12.000 Sorry guys, the internet is not the best reception.

00:13:15.440 Canadian patriots in 2004 with people living in eastern Canada. So we desire and all Canadian

00:13:22.160 patriots desire that the great trade of the prairies, that's Alberta and Saskatchewan as well,

00:13:27.280 that the great trade of the prairies shall go to enrich our people in the east, to build up

00:13:32.960 factories and our places of work and in every legitimate way contribute to

00:13:36.640 its prosperity, that is the prosperity of the east. Nothing about the prosperity of the west.

00:13:42.240 We started off therefore in 1905, September 1, as a colony. We continue to be a colony to serve the interests of the East and we continue to be pillaged and plundered for the wealth that we create to our own detriment. 0.94

00:13:59.240 Now, what can we do about this? Like I said, nothing. Because Canadian federalism doesn't permit a resolution to the imbalance in power, meaning that the federal government is here, the provincial governments are here. We can't solve that problem because it requires opening and changing.

00:14:18.100 Yeah, the reception is not the best, isn't it?

00:14:20.540 You'll be talking about that later.

00:14:21.960 Somebody wants to know the hurdles to change it, and then you realize that it is impossible.

00:14:27.660 So how has this all been manifest then for us?

00:14:30.620 Well, since equalization and the national energy policy and other federal confiscatory policy,

00:14:38.060 we've given up about $800 billion to the federal government for which we've not received a sent in return.

00:14:44.340 Now, just a comment about the national energy policy real quick.

00:14:47.700 That was the brainchild of Mark Lalonde, the Minister of Finance, in the original Trudeau government.

00:14:53.760 And when he was asked to justify the national economy policy, his simple comment was,

00:14:59.060 we could not let Alberta, we have this on video, we could not let Alberta become the center of economic power in Canada.

00:15:05.580 And you bet they have definitely done everything they can to prevent that from happening,

00:15:11.220 and it was going to happen at that particular time.

00:15:14.240 Now, if we look at their policies, their policies have been, definitely, and you all know this, anti-Alberta energy, anti-agriculture, and anti-resource development.

00:15:27.280 And the Premier herself has pointed out that in the last 10, 12 years, you know, we've given up half a trillion dollars, 500 billion dollars, of investment that would have come into this province, that was planned to come into this province, but it didn't.

00:15:42.520 Why? Because of federal regulations and taxation. That's why it didn't come.

00:15:49.160 More recently, the, what is it, it's the Frontier Center for Public Policy released a research paper in which they pointed out that we lose $26.5 billion a year in this province because we cannot get our oil and gas to international markets.

00:16:07.140 Now, we get to the point of values, and we touched on it a little bit before,

00:16:12.400 but it's a very different value set, you know.

00:16:16.000 Much of the socialist wing of Canada, if you will,

00:16:21.040 and those other areas that are not Saskatchewan, Alberta, and Central and Northern BC,

00:16:26.940 don't mind central control of everything that they do.

00:16:32.380 They're okay, they seem to be okay with censorship.

00:16:34.860 They seem to be okay with the planned implementation of a central bank digital currency, etc.

00:16:44.340 They seem to be okay with confiscating your property, such as with firearms, for example.

00:16:52.360 Now, David Lometti, the former Minister of Justice, has said,

00:16:57.660 guess what, Canadians don't have the right to own property. 1.00

00:17:00.320 Did you know that, that you didn't have the right to own property in Canada?

00:17:03.260 It's true, you don't.

00:17:04.860 So, internalize that. The Premier has said, with respect to firearms, that, what was it I was going to say about the firearms, oh yeah, so we have some new legislation pending which may help on that particular file.

00:17:24.860 And our general counsel for the Alberta Prosperity Society has been responsible for drafting it, whether it will go forward or not, but it's based on Alberta having legislative control of firearms, purchasing, ownership, and use.

00:17:40.460 And that would be a pretty good solution.

00:17:44.640 Now, we've already touched on health and the issue of health in the pandemic treaty.

00:17:51.200 the Premier has said

00:17:53.900 well we're not going to let the World Health Organization

00:17:56.600 dictate health policy to us

00:17:59.700 that's provincial jurisdiction

00:18:01.500 but she's forgetting one thing

00:18:03.500 it's not the World Health Organization

00:18:05.300 that's going to dictate policy

00:18:07.700 it's the federal government that signed on to the pandemic treaty

00:18:11.000 and they will force compliance

00:18:13.400 if Alberta doesn't toe the line to federal policy

00:18:17.840 simply by withholding transfer payments

00:18:20.200 And that's what they've done historically to a number of different provinces that didn't like what the federal government was doing.

00:18:27.280 So you can imagine if several billion dollars of health transfer, and by the way, we give 70 billion dollars roughly every year.

00:18:35.880 We get that 27 in health, education, social, and infrastructure transfers.

00:18:40.280 So several billion dollars would be at risk in terms of health transfer if the provincial government didn't capitulate to federal dictates.

00:18:53.940 So you can be sure that it would be a huge stress on Premier Smith if we were in that kind of a situation.

00:19:00.920 And I suspect he, like every other premier in Canada, would capitulate.

00:19:05.740 It's already been mentioned, but it's worth mentioning again.

00:19:11.600 Of all industrialized countries, Canada has the lowest growth rate of any industrialized

00:19:18.860 country in the world.

00:19:21.360 So let's look at another issue in terms of something more recent.

00:19:28.380 The Premier has stated a number of demands of the federal government.

00:19:32.740 She's mentioned that it's public knowledge, and she says, if we're not successful in getting these things addressed to our satisfaction, that's a threat to national unity.

00:19:43.600 Well, it can only mean one thing, right? It can only mean that she is suggesting that Alberta would leave if we don't get what we want.

00:19:53.140 And this is part and parcel of why Bill 1, their first piece of legislation from the UCC government,

00:19:59.800 was the Alberta Sovereignty Within the United Canada Act.

00:20:04.920 So, but what is she actually, her rhetoric is one thing, but what's actually happening?

00:20:11.340 What's happening now is there are 18 or so lawsuits that the provincial government has launched against the federal government

00:20:20.120 With respect to energy development and transportation, with respect to censorship, with respect to agricultural considerations, etc.

00:20:30.040 This is no way, ladies and gentlemen, for a marriage to continue between Alberta and the federal government.

00:20:38.040 It takes years, if not decades, to solve these sorts of problems through the courts.

00:20:46.100 And the Supreme Court, of course, is appointed by the Prime Minister's office,

00:20:50.560 three justices from Quebec, three from Ontario, one from the Maritimes,

00:20:55.000 and two from all of Western Canada.

00:20:57.060 How do you think the majority of these lawsuits are going to be decided?

00:21:01.180 So it's a no-win situation for us, and it takes, like I said,

00:21:07.600 a long time for many of these court challenges to be resolved.

00:21:11.380 how much more damage can the federal government do to us while these things are occurring?

00:21:18.140 I think a lot, and I think you might think the same thing.

00:21:22.000 So what can we actually do about it?

00:21:24.940 Well, fortunately, there is a legal pathway for Alberta to leave Canada or any province to leave Canada.

00:21:32.380 It's embodied in the narrative of the Clarity Act, which, of course, requires a clear question with a clear outcome,

00:21:39.480 and demonstration that there's been consultation with other political parties,

00:21:44.220 indigenous population, etc.

00:21:46.860 And so the legal pathway is there,

00:21:50.500 and we have always advocated for the legal pathway.

00:21:54.100 And for anybody that wants to touch on the Westminster Statute in 1931,

00:21:59.280 we can go there too, and I'm going to talk about that anyhow.

00:22:02.640 But at the end of the day, this is the way it works.

00:22:05.840 The Citizens Initiative Act is where we start. In May of 2022, the Citizens Initiative Act was legislated into operation. And what it required, if you want to make constitutional change, constitutional change would include a province leaving Canada, but if you want to make constitutional, in this case Alberta, if you want to make constitutional change,

00:22:32.420 that what it requires is a petition with 600,000 signatures on that petition collected in 90 days.

00:22:41.180 That's impossible.

00:22:42.700 So we developed a workaround at the Alberta Prosperity Project,

00:22:46.680 and that workaround goes like this.

00:22:49.320 Well, let's collect the contact information for 600,000 people

00:22:53.480 so that once we've achieved that objective,

00:22:57.920 We then submit the petition for a referendum on Alberta's sovereignty to Elections Alberta.

00:23:04.300 Elections Alberta certifies the question.

00:23:06.920 And then we send out the canvassers.

00:23:09.300 But now we know where the canvassers need to go because we have the contact information for all of those 600,000 people.

00:23:18.340 Now some of you will know that there's Bill 54 looming and it may be proclaimed into law in early June.

00:23:25.380 That would lower the threshold to 177,000 people.

00:23:30.100 Well, did you all know that we are already well north of 200,000 people?

00:23:37.760 I think well north of 230,000 people that have registered their intent to support the petition.

00:23:44.000 So, once we've gathered the petition signatures, and Elections Alberta validates those signatures,

00:23:59.740 then the petition goes to the provincial government, and it's up to the provincial government,

00:24:04.840 to determine the timing of the referendum on Alberta sovereignty.

00:24:10.860 And that will be up to the Premier.

00:24:12.760 And Mitch and I chatting with her recently at the dinner in Bonneville,

00:24:18.680 the Premier's dinner in Bonneville, which Mitch put on, organized, was fantastic.

00:24:24.580 Plus, he did some great questioning of her as well.

00:24:27.280 I thought it was terrific.

00:24:28.900 But she has stated that she needs six months to negotiate with Carney.

00:24:37.080 Personally, I don't think she's going to get what she wants for.

00:24:39.900 Or if she's playing us, she'll accept something rather more trivial that doesn't require constitutional change, which will be maddening for all of us who really want to get out from under federal over-regulation, governance, and taxation.

00:24:59.520 But nevertheless, it will be up to her to achieve that.

00:25:04.660 Now, how's my timing? How long have I been? Nothing. I got another couple of minutes? All right. Okay. So I want to pose a question to you, and then I want to tell you some of the benefits of Alberta sovereignty.

00:25:23.060 But first of all, the question is the same question I posed to Ralph Klein at the annual general meeting of the Progressive Conservative Party in Red Deer in January 2003.

00:25:34.960 Here's the question, and by a show of hands, I want to see your answer.

00:25:40.220 If Alberta was already a sovereign country and Canada came to Alberta and said we would like Alberta to join Confederation under the current terms and costs of membership, how many people here would like Alberta to join Confederation under the current terms and costs of membership if we were already sovereign? Raise your hands.

00:26:04.700 i see nobody all right no one would do that not now i've really trapped you now i've really trapped

00:26:14.980 you because the corollary is then just like i said to rel do you not think you have a moral

00:26:22.080 ethical and economic responsibility to get us out of this mess with canada to fix this

00:26:30.260 dysfunctional relationship? How many think you have a responsibility to help us get to the point

00:26:37.800 of Alberta sovereignty to solve all these problems that we're facing? Does anybody think you don't

00:26:42.980 have a responsibility? All right, so nobody changed your hand. Good. So we've got how many more

00:26:48.940 volunteers here now? Okay, wonderful to see. So let's talk a little bit about some of the

00:26:55.980 some of the benefits of Alberta's sovereignty.

00:27:00.300 And I would word it this way,

00:27:03.880 that prosperity will be not only preserved and enhanced,

00:27:10.040 but our freedoms and our prosperity will be protected

00:27:13.560 by a new constitution of Alberta

00:27:18.040 that acknowledges the supremacy of God

00:27:21.440 as foundational for civil society and the rule of law.

00:27:24.360 Now what follows from that is wherein Alberta becomes the most free and prosperous country in the world to live, work, raise a family, and start a business.

00:27:37.180 That's number one.

00:27:37.680 Number two, Alberta will become the least regulated, least governed, and least taxed region in the world.

00:27:46.640 Thank you.

00:27:47.840 Let's go.

00:27:50.100 Let's go.

00:27:52.140 Economics are always persuasive.

00:27:54.360 All right. Pensions, old age security, and veteran benefits will not only be secured, but significantly enhanced by 20-30% or more.

00:28:05.760 Four, First Nations, for the first time, will participate as equal founding members in a new Alberta, with their treaty rights protected in a new constitution, which also will permit First Nations to share in the wealth generated by the development and transport of our natural resources.

00:28:30.680 In addition, no Albertan will be left behind because social programs will be not just compassionate, but actually effective.

00:28:41.680 And all of these problems that we're having with homelessness and various other problems, they can be resolved that people have the courage in government to actually make them happen.

00:28:51.680 We know how we believe that that can happen.

00:28:54.580 Workers' rights will be protected.

00:28:57.320 And at the same time, businesses will be allowed to thrive,

00:29:01.380 including the development of our natural resources.

00:29:05.280 Health care and education can become and will become the best in the world

00:29:11.000 and the most cost-effective.

00:29:13.520 And health care right now is not very timely.

00:29:16.720 Let me just digress a little bit on health care to tell you how bad it is.

00:29:19.980 And I've been in the system for a long time.

00:29:21.680 Did you know that in 1995, that the population in Alberta was 3.8 million people?

00:29:30.580 At that time, there were 5,000 employees for Alberta Health.

00:29:36.040 Here we are now, in 2025, the population is 4.8 million.

00:29:41.320 What do you saw? It's bumped up to 5 million.

00:29:43.480 Do you know how many employees we have at Alberta Health Services?

00:29:46.980 130,000.

00:29:49.260 That's crazy.

00:29:50.380 The system is corrupt. I've seen the corruption, I've written about it, and I've shared that document privately with Premier Klein. In any case, it was too difficult to deal with.

00:30:01.080 Now, the other thing that I would say in terms of benefits to Albertans is that property rights will be definitively and constitutionally protected.

00:30:12.080 And I can assure you that every single citizen in the province of Alberta will benefit enormously in terms of their quality of life and their standard of living.

00:30:28.080 And let me assure you as well that these things are highly possible and probable.

00:30:35.460 And some of you may know that we've had a small delegation go to the U.S.

00:30:41.080 and meet with the very senior officials in the U.S. administration.

00:30:48.860 And they do not want Alberta to become the 51st state.

00:30:52.660 Let me make that crystal clear.

00:30:54.120 they understand that there's a process and that process if any region that

00:31:02.460 becomes sovereign wants to join the US they've got to have a referendum on

00:31:06.620 becoming a sovereign nation first then they have to have a referendum that they

00:31:11.580 want to join the US and then Congress two-thirds of Congress US Congress both

00:31:17.460 the Senate and the House will have to vote in favor of that so that is not on

00:31:24.060 the table but the u.s. will help us transition from a provincial government

00:31:30.720 to a sovereign country ladies and gentlemen we can pull this off and

00:31:37.440 whether it that this referendum occurs at the end of this year or at some point

00:31:43.080 next year very confident we can win it the latest polls show that we're at

00:31:48.660 around 45% right now and I'm going to make a comment about polling. You know, in many instances

00:31:56.720 when people are asked a controversial question, they're not going to answer it honestly or answer

00:32:02.800 it at all. And we saw that with the polling in the U.S. election, right? It wasn't predicted that

00:32:09.940 Trump and the Republicans were going to have a massive win, right? So think about that. Why?

00:32:16.260 Why did that happen? Why do people not want to give up an answer to controversial questions?

00:32:23.040 It's simple. It's cancel culture. It still exists.

00:32:26.700 Think about the trucker convoy when people had their accounts frozen for giving 10 bucks to the convoy.

00:32:34.220 So cancel culture is alive and wild still.

00:32:37.500 We know that from talking to people in businesses that are concerned about these kinds of things.

00:32:43.660 But here's a potential proxy for you to think about.

00:32:48.180 In 2021, we had a referendum on ending equalization.

00:32:53.400 62% voted to end equalization.

00:32:57.200 Right?

00:32:57.820 Could that be a proxy?

00:32:59.100 Could those same people also support sovereignty?

00:33:02.620 I don't know the answer to that question,

00:33:03.840 but it's an interesting question to pose.

00:33:06.020 The same thing has happened with the pension plan.

00:33:09.000 Mitch has done over a hundred presentations and Tanner, both of whom are following me speaking too long already, but prior to Mitch and Tanner going out throughout the province and talking about the pension plan, there was not a plurality of individuals that supported an Alberta pension plan.

00:33:34.200 The latest poll from the UCP government itself is that 55% of Albertans are now in favor of a pension plan.

00:33:44.840 And believe it or not, 65% to 70% of UCP members are in favor of Alberta sovereignty.

00:33:51.560 Ladies and gentlemen, we can win this.

00:33:53.560 Thank you very much for your attention.

00:33:54.960 Let's go.

00:33:55.440 Let's go.

00:33:59.280 Hey, Alberta.

00:34:00.280 Yeah, last poll was 45%.

00:34:07.020 Our next speaker is Kevin Nadei.

00:34:16.240 He's a young economist from Lloyd Minster, an entrepreneur and an aspiring author.

00:34:21.220 One of his books being The Kingdom of Cain.

00:34:23.500 He's got it for sale on the back table there.

00:34:25.940 And he's got a second book out.

00:34:27.720 It's called Antichrist.

00:34:29.160 Tanner is the president of Tanner Ndey Inc. and regularly comments on political, economic and religious issues.

00:34:36.160 Please welcome Tanner.

00:34:59.160 Oh, well, it's 3-1 for the Oilers, so there's nothing.

00:35:10.160 My mom's an Oilers fan, my greatest failing is that I'm a Leafs fan, and it's been another

00:35:19.160 embarrassing year.

00:35:20.160 I'm not, I'm not now, I'm in favor of Albertian Dependents, don't mistake me for being one

00:35:25.160 Laurentian, but my love for the leaves is genetic and so it's inherited. I had no choice in the

00:35:32.200 matter. It comes from dad and it comes from grandpa and for however many years I've suffered

00:35:36.480 and I'll suffer for so many more. Anyway, what a pleasure to be with you all tonight. Thank you so

00:35:42.240 much for having me come and talk to you. It is my pleasure to be here. Before I begin, I just want

00:35:48.840 to quickly tell you a bit more about who I am. As mentioned, my name is Connor Nade. I'm from

00:35:53.640 Mr. Alberta. I was recently married with my wife, Paige. We're so excited to join you

00:35:58.860 both tonight. And yes, I have my own little company called Tannin Day Incorporated in

00:36:03.900 which I take complicated economic topics, because economics, of course, is so dreadfully

00:36:10.160 born. And we try and present those economic concepts and topics in a way which is palatable

00:36:15.880 and easier to understand. And so as mentioned, I have been traveling with Mitch and with

00:36:21.860 others over the last year talking about various economic issues pension time of course being

00:36:27.140 at the forefront of those issues and uh i'm so excited to see what's been uh happening

00:36:33.780 over these last few weeks now before i begin i just i have to say that mondair here holds a

00:36:39.220 special place in my heart because my wife page is from uh red here and of course i'm from loyd minster

00:36:45.780 and page having no family in loyd minster had no real reason to go anywhere east of edmonton

00:36:51.060 at least on highway 16 until she started dating me and so when i first took her to mom and dad

00:36:58.900 i first introduced her to my parents went down to register to pick her up and all that and we

00:37:03.620 went to edmonton for a bit and then we carried on our way home to lloyd on 16th and as we were

00:37:11.080 doing so i told her i said hey before we you know head back or before we i have to take you

00:37:18.240 if you want it perhaps the most romantic location in all of Alberta.

00:37:23.020 And she says, so darling, where are you taking me?

00:37:25.180 And I said, you close your eyes, we'll find out.

00:37:27.040 And you know, so she was ready for this expecting, this surprise.

00:37:31.200 And I drive for a couple minutes and I say, all right, dear, it's time to open your eyes.

00:37:34.980 And she does and she goes, and you've taken me to the sausage.

00:37:37.580 And I said, I have.

00:37:39.780 And I knew there and then I wanted to marry that girl because she didn't run away from me.

00:37:45.320 It's a pleasure to be back.

00:37:47.320 So today, I want to talk to you about a topic, actually, that I haven't talked about in some time.

00:37:55.160 Recently, a few weeks ago, I was reading a document.

00:37:59.020 I was reading a little infographic online.

00:38:02.180 And this document, this infographic was titled, Alberta Separation for Dummies.

00:38:06.880 Now, after reading the content of the infographic, I decided it should have been called, Alberta Separation is for Dummies.

00:38:14.300 because that is what the content of that infographic seems to imply.

00:38:20.680 And as I was reading it, I was looking and studying all of these supposed difficulties,

00:38:26.780 these impossibilities that make Alberta independence a totally unpleasable pursuit for us to engage in.

00:38:36.260 One of the contentions on this document, and this is a contention that we hear from political pundits

00:38:42.660 and bureaucrats and commentators and so on all the time one of the contentions was of

00:38:49.940 course the issue of landlocking the argument goes as scholars or it says something like this

00:38:56.500 alberta independence is an impossible alberta because an alberta that's independent would be

00:39:02.260 an alberta that's totally landlocked it would be an alberta that has no access to tide waters

00:39:07.620 whether it be on the north side or the south side or the east or west side of that problem.

00:39:12.620 And so any idea, any notion of pursuing Albertic independence is pure folly.

00:39:19.620 It's nonsense because we will be landlocked.

00:39:22.620 So I read that and I went, okay, let's study it.

00:39:26.620 Of course, this is a serious concern. This is a serious contention.

00:39:30.620 You know, where we are in this province, we are, as you know, an economic engine.

00:39:34.620 We have a titanic capacity for economic output.

00:39:38.360 Just last year, our GDP was in the hundreds of billions, 350-some billion dollars.

00:39:45.220 Unbelievable economic output.

00:39:47.620 And if we saw an independent Alberta watch that GDP plummet

00:39:54.260 and watch that economic output drastically decrease

00:39:57.820 because of problems that come from landlocking,

00:40:01.680 then it might well be that Alberta independence is not worth pursuing.

00:40:05.440 If we forfeit that advantage which has been given to us as a consequence of our industry,

00:40:09.800 our resource, our quality of character, and so on because we are landlocked,

00:40:15.100 then perhaps we should pursue other options.

00:40:17.440 So let's meet the question head on.

00:40:19.560 Let's ask the question, would an independent Alberta be landlocked?

00:40:24.120 That's the question.

00:40:25.060 Would an independent Alberta be landlocked?

00:40:27.060 And it may sound surprising coming from me, but the answer is short.

00:40:30.680 Yes, an independent Alberta would be landlocked.

00:40:34.420 Absolutely, anyone can look at the map and look at the geography of our province and see that there is no tidewater access on the north side, on the south side, on the east side or the west side of our province.

00:40:46.620 But my fear, and your fear, is that these pundits and commentators too often unfortunately omit that while an independent Alberta would be geographically landlocked,

00:40:59.800 A dependent Alberta, an Alberta that's in Canada right now, is also geographically landlocked.

00:41:08.540 Politically too.

00:41:10.000 We've been landlocked since our insects.

00:41:12.060 It's true that Alberta without Canada is landlocked there, and Alberta within Canada is landlocked.

00:41:17.980 Still landlocked.

00:41:19.320 Look at what the map says.

00:41:20.940 Look at how there is no tidewater access immediately on any side of our border.

00:41:26.840 So what I mean to say is to launch an anti-independence argument with

00:41:31.500 we can't be independent because we would be landlocked if we were independent

00:41:35.940 is a non-separator, it's a non-starter.

00:41:38.320 The actual argument there doesn't really apply, doesn't apply at all

00:41:41.880 because we're already landlocked right now.

00:41:45.100 So the question isn't would an independent Alberta be landlocked?

00:41:48.600 The question actually is, would an independent Alberta navigate the challenges of landlocking better than an Alberta would...

00:42:00.600 Yeah. That's the question.

00:42:01.600 Easily. Easily. Easily.

00:42:06.600 A lot more power in the pandemic.

00:42:08.600 You don't even need me up here to be inside, are they?

00:42:10.600 But anyway, so the question is, would an independent Alberta navigate the challenges of landlocking?

00:42:15.600 Sorry about the quality, guys. The internet is a little bit slow out here.

00:42:20.480 Now, of course, there are opponents and there are adversaries and there are other individuals who stand up and say,

00:42:27.980 well, wait a second. There is no land blocking to navigate for that matter.

00:42:32.620 What are you so upset about? Everything that we need, we get.

00:42:36.660 Everything that's required right now, we have.

00:42:39.620 And if we want to send our produce and our energy and our goods across the different markets, we can do so.

00:42:48.620 That's their argument. And you say, no, that can't be true. Oh, it is.

00:42:51.760 Look, for example, at Trans Mountain. You know, people across the country, and within Alberta for that matter,

00:42:57.060 say, here we are as Albertans always complaining about a lack of pipeline access.

00:43:01.320 We're always complaining about a lack of pipeline access east or west or north or south.

00:43:06.140 even though the government just so generously built us Trans Mountain.

00:43:11.080 Why should we as Albertans be complaining about this lack of pipeline access

00:43:17.440 when the federal government so generously gave us this pipeline expansion in the form of Trans Mountain?

00:43:23.880 Now, to understand why that's wrong, you have to understand how Trans Mountain works.

00:43:27.300 So Trans Mountain was built in 53.

00:43:29.800 It was meant to take about 150,000 barrels of heavy crude from Edmonton to Burnaby every day

00:43:35.220 And over the years, it increased in size until about 2005, when Kinder Morgan bought it.

00:43:42.540 In 2012, Kinder Morgan says, we want to triple this pipeline's capacity.

00:43:47.700 We want to ship about 890,000 barrels of oil every single day.

00:43:53.400 Back and forth, we're going to twing the pipeline.

00:43:56.700 And after a lot of debate and deliberation, years and years and years of it,

00:44:01.620 finally believe it or not the trudeau government said all right fine you have your pipeline we'll

00:44:05.920 prove it well trudeau said that not freely but with the understanding that there would be strict

00:44:13.900 regulations there would be strict consultation there would be economic reviews and environmental

00:44:20.700 reviews and so on and so on to the point at which kinder morgan said you know what we're not going

00:44:25.980 to vote we're not going to do it we're not going to twin the pipeline we're going to halt the

00:44:29.700 project and the federal government said no no here let us buy it from you we know you're going to

00:44:35.960 halt the project fine we'll buy the pipeline four and a half billion dollars so the federal

00:44:41.200 government i.e. you bought that pipeline and after more and more years right of a lot of

00:44:47.680 the regulation and so on finally that pipeline was built in 2024 and is now shipping oil so it

00:44:54.280 would seem that we have no need to try and discuss this landlocking issue at all in canada

00:44:58.700 Because the government just built pipelines for us, that's the idea.

00:45:02.560 But of course there are problems with that argument.

00:45:04.680 For example, when Kinder Morgan was going to twin that pipeline,

00:45:08.320 it put out a budget of about $7.4 billion.

00:45:11.560 It cost a lot of money to build a pipeline.

00:45:14.480 By the time government was done,

00:45:16.760 by the time the federal government finished construction on that pipeline,

00:45:19.820 it cost us, because we're paying for it,

00:45:23.000 $30 billion.

00:45:25.000 A 400% increase.

00:45:28.180 $1,700 per Albertan to start at $7.4 billion.

00:45:31.920 By the end of it all, it was $7,000 per Albertan to build that pipeline.

00:45:37.680 More than that, we can't expect government to build pipelines for us.

00:45:41.620 Look at what Mr. Guilbo just said.

00:45:43.800 Mr. Guilbo just said it two days ago.

00:45:46.160 No more pipelines, no more pipelines,

00:45:48.040 because Trans Mountain isn't even at full capacity yet.

00:45:51.640 Trans Mountain is only at 40%,

00:45:53.360 and once Trans Mountain is operating at 80 or 90 or 100%,

00:45:57.280 then Alberta will be so stretched that there will be no more need for new pipelines.

00:46:01.980 But of course that was a manifest lie.

00:46:04.380 Trans Mountain is not at 40%.

00:46:06.180 Trans Mountain is at more like 85%.

00:46:09.380 Soon to be 90% and soon to be 95% and so on and so on.

00:46:13.820 So yes, we have a problem.

00:46:16.520 Most of our oil goes south. It's true.

00:46:18.380 Three and a half million barrels a day goes to America.

00:46:20.980 A few hundred thousand barrels a day stays in western Canada.

00:46:24.600 Fine. Excellent. Wonderful.

00:46:26.200 But I want to see our economic output increase. I want to see our GDP increase. I want to see Alberta oil all over the world, because it's ethical, it's better than that stuff that comes from the Middle East, which is not ethical, and we can increase the quality of life for ourselves, our families, and those who consume the oil, all across the world.

00:46:47.740 So how are we going to get our pipelines, or just goods in general, to coasts, to tidewater, where we need to get it?

00:47:00.180 Well, maybe we can wait for a government to do it.

00:47:02.060 That is, maybe we can wait for a government, not who wants to build a pipeline,

00:47:06.260 but who will allow pipelines and other new methods of transportation for all goods to be built.

00:47:11.660 Take the Conservatives for an example.

00:47:14.080 The Conservatives, the Federal Conservatives said they were eager to pass all these new energy projects and so on.

00:47:19.840 Excellent, wonderful, but there's a problem.

00:47:22.000 Which is, if we wait for the Federal Conservatives to be elected, unfortunately we're going to be waiting a very long time.

00:47:29.000 And even if the Federal Conservatives are elected, the structure of Confederation, as Dr. Montri has told you,

00:47:35.340 is structured in such a way that the Conservatives will not stay elected for very long.

00:47:40.000 and if they want to stay elected for a long time, they have to not appease our interests.

00:47:45.240 They have to appease the interests of Ottawa, of Quebec, of Ontario, and of the Eastern Bloc,

00:47:50.660 where the concentration of votes in the country lies.

00:47:54.240 And you and I both know that those interests down east are not the same as our interests out here in the west.

00:47:59.840 So if we can't rely on government, and if we can't wait for a new government to solve these problems,

00:48:05.860 what we have to do is Alberta.

00:48:08.040 separate we have to flex some economic muscle if we're going to see these problems at least

00:48:15.560 possibly you know uh evolve into something better we have to flex that which we have in the province

00:48:22.720 you know klein had that very famous quote to let her freeze in the dark and so on maybe we should

00:48:27.660 use some of those tactics and tools but now you have to approach things legally we want to negotiate

00:48:35.060 We know we have to negotiate. But by what measures, what means are we going to negotiate?

00:48:41.420 That's the question. You know, we hear all the time, we should just turn off the tap to the east.

00:48:45.700 You know, we supply Canada. It's true with a lot of oil, a lot of gasoline, a lot of diesel.

00:48:50.840 We look at refinery row there in Edmonton. Hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil are refined there every single day.

00:48:56.940 I'm from Lloydminster. We have tens of thousands of barrels that are refined at the Cenobus refinery and the operator.

00:49:02.500 We are here a heavy hammer, a hard producer that provides a lot of the energy that Canada consumes.

00:49:10.500 So if we just turned off the taps, it said, then Canada would quickly come crawling to us and recognize that they have to play by our rules or us.

00:49:18.500 But you have to look at the legality of that statement.

00:49:23.500 You see, if we say we're going to turn off the taps, you have to ask, how exactly are you going to do so?

00:49:28.500 Well, we could answer, we're going to invoke Alberta's Bill 12. It was passed just before 2020. It was passed in 2018, 2019. And in essence, it gives the Alberta government the power to either permit or revoke or force companies to apply for licenses if they want to ship energy out of products.

00:49:53.680 So take Enbridge. Enbridge runs a pipeline. Let's suppose Enbridge wants to ship some oil from Harvesty all the way to, I don't know, Regina. Under Bill 12, the Alberta government could say, you have to apply for a license to do so. And if the Alberta government rejects that license, then you can't ship the oil. Sorry, you don't have the legal authority to do so.

00:50:17.400 So we can invoke a bill. Ah, but wait a second, says the courts. Not so fast.

00:50:24.000 B.C. challenged this law, and it was ruled in B.C.'s favor that a province, Alberta in this instance,

00:50:31.540 cannot invoke a bill, Bill 12, if it's meant to punish another province.

00:50:39.240 So Alberta cannot invoke Bill 12 if it's meant to incur some economic hardship on its trading partners

00:50:47.260 to try and, you know, guarantee or justify or produce a better deal for Alberta. 0.99

00:50:53.480 And so the bill is all but useless. It's all but inert.

00:50:56.200 To be entirely honest, it's never been used. Not seriously.

00:50:59.380 Well, we say, okay, I guess we can't use Bill 12, but surely the pipelines, the big pipelines,

00:51:06.300 Keystone XL, or Keystone, not XL, that one didn't get built, but Keystone, and Enbridge, Line 3 and Line 5, and all of these big pipelines coming out of Alberta are under Alberta jurisdiction, are they not?

00:51:19.720 And the answer is they are not.

00:51:21.700 When you have interprovincial pipelines, pipelines that move across provincial borders, or move across countries' borders, it is not provincial authorities' pipelines.

00:51:35.000 It is the federal government's authority.

00:51:37.900 That is their domain.

00:51:39.640 So if we were to say we're shutting down Keystone or we're shutting down Enbridge,

00:51:44.600 the federal government would say, no, you're not.

00:51:47.220 That is not your decision to make.

00:51:49.420 It's ours.

00:51:50.460 We have to consent to it.

00:51:52.080 You don't get to do whatever you want.

00:51:54.360 And so they say, fine.

00:51:55.920 These two options have been taken away from us.

00:51:58.080 Let us exercise the third option.

00:51:59.660 Let us exercise the option of perhaps blocking trade from neighboring provinces.

00:52:05.000 we're putting tariffs on goods that flow through Alberta so as to induce some economic hardship

00:52:10.900 for others until they respect our demands and give to us what we know that we need.

00:52:16.220 Once again, we have to look at the Constitution.

00:52:19.340 Section 121 of the Constitution is very clear.

00:52:22.820 A province cannot restrict the free trade between itself and another province, or other provinces.

00:52:30.660 this. So Alberta does not have the constitutional authority right now to say to BC, we're going

00:52:38.040 to put a tariff on every good you send to Manitoba. And Manitoba does not have the constitutional

00:52:44.260 authority to say, we're going to put a tariff on every Alberta good that's sent to Ottawa.

00:52:49.280 Doesn't work like that. The constitution is clear on this matter. The picture that I'm painting for

00:52:55.320 you, is that if Alberta wants to negotiate, especially with those who do not share our

00:53:01.100 particular views on the matters of economics and energy, we need leverage. And within Canada,

00:53:07.540 we do not have leverage. You know this, and so do I. Right, what is leverage? It's best

00:53:14.700 expressed, probably, right, as the capacity for a small thing, a small advantage, a small

00:53:22.540 position or a smaller position to multiply and turn into a big advantage you know turn into a

00:53:30.240 big blessing that's what leverage is so uh your children you know your two sons are fighting

00:53:35.880 and uh it's not as though the one uh one son says to his brother give me the toy he says give me the

00:53:43.980 toy or else i will call mom you know he says give me the toy or else he invokes some leverage

00:53:49.840 You know, it's not as though my wife says, go clean the grass.

00:53:53.080 She says, go clean the grass, so I'm hitting you with this cast iron skillet. 1.00

00:53:56.480 You know?

00:53:57.600 She doesn't actually.

00:53:58.680 She loves me.

00:53:59.140 She's here tonight.

00:54:00.060 But anyway, that's leverage.

00:54:02.580 So too with Alberta.

00:54:04.220 What are we going to say to Ottawa?

00:54:06.020 We want to pipe one.

00:54:07.240 We want to ship some more goods or else we're going to cut off trade.

00:54:10.260 Can't do it.

00:54:11.500 What are we going to say to them?

00:54:12.840 Give us the goods that we need or let us ship them to where we want or else we're going to turn off the tax.

00:54:17.860 Can't do it.

00:54:18.480 Ottawa knows it. What are we going to say? Give us the goods that we need. Let us shift the goods where we want or else we're going to not vote for you in the next election. It's too late. What does Ottawa care? It don't matter. So we have a problem. We want to negotiate but we have no leverage. Not within Canada. What about without or outside of Canada? Would we have leverage then? A lot more.

00:54:46.000 Well, again, you don't need me out here.

00:54:48.140 First, we would no longer be beholden to Section 121 of the Constitution.

00:54:54.160 I'm not saying we should invoke these policies or these negotiating packets.

00:54:59.400 That's for a different speech entirely.

00:55:01.440 All I'm saying is these tools are now at our disposal.

00:55:05.780 We would no longer be beholden to Section 121 of the Constitution.

00:55:09.820 so that if we decided to say every good coming from the vancouver port and coming

00:55:15.260 through alberta on rail will be subject to a tariff whatever number that might be

00:55:19.740 it's not as though the supreme court they're going everywhere you really can't take any

00:55:24.060 population for granted you've got to go everywhere by the supreme court of canada

00:55:28.700 or take the pipeline let's suppose that you know auto is playing tough and is playing a hard

00:55:35.180 negotiator it's not as well the pipelines which now originate in alberta even though they span

00:55:41.900 across saskatchewan and manitoba down into the south are now sold federal government jurisdiction

00:55:49.180 no the section of pipeline in alberta becomes albert's jurisdiction and so the situation looks

00:55:56.540 very much different so too with bill 12. the government could again i'm not saying it should

00:56:01.340 or it would I'm just saying it couldn't invoke Bill 12 and not grant licenses to companies that

00:56:07.900 want to ship oil so as to really turn off the task for Canada. I am not here trying to advocate a

00:56:15.420 strategy. What I am here to advocate is an independent Alberta has more leverage available

00:56:23.260 to itself than a dependent Alberta does and an independent Alberta is better able to negotiate

00:56:36.460 than what it can negotiate with right now it doesn't have the capacity to do so right now

00:56:41.460 Ottawa treats us like a child they are the parent so they come to us and we say we want this and

00:56:46.860 they go no and what we say goes and you can't argue otherwise what are you going to do which

00:56:51.100 law shall you invoke even if we pass laws that are unconstitutional like bill c69 we still abide by

00:56:57.580 them it's not but if you were your own province if you were your own separate alberta ottawa would

00:57:05.980 be forced to approach you not as a child but as an equal partner as someone who is not under you in

00:57:13.820 confederation oh yeah but entirely separate and own nation not governed by the constitution of

00:57:20.060 Canada which gives the federal government these powers that make it impossible for us to negotiate

00:57:25.820 our landlocked position as we would like. That's what independence does. So I'm not going to stand

00:57:32.220 here and tell you I know what the future is going to hold. I have no idea. The fact that the future

00:57:37.500 is uncertain is what makes it the future. There are other commentators who say well even with

00:57:43.580 these advantages we certainly shouldn't pursue independence right because it would be so difficult.

00:57:48.300 It would be so very hard, but my conviction is that living under this government and these governments continually will be even harder.

00:57:57.100 It might be difficult, but it would be more difficult to stay in the present position that we are in.

00:58:03.560 Here we are, Alberta.

00:58:07.380 We are a land that is rich with rugged resource.

00:58:11.080 We have been given this God-given blessing itself that we are able to use for not only our family's benefit,

00:58:16.800 but also for others' benefit, and it has not been appointed to us to watch all of this resource and all of this industry and all of this energy languish under this heavy, heavy hand of Ottawa.

00:58:30.640 We know the scriptures, to whom much is given, much is required.

00:58:34.200 We are in a province where much, much has been given, and it is my conviction that we are obligated to see that the benefits accrue to not only ourselves and our children,

00:58:43.800 but also to those across the country, across the countries, the continents, and the entire world.

00:58:50.180 Here we are, pipelines are stalled, projects are strangled in their infancy,

00:58:54.980 and we don't face blockades from mountains, we face blockades from bureaucracy.

00:59:00.200 That is the way the country works right now.

00:59:02.740 So you see, there are moments in history when diplomacy needs to be delicate.

00:59:07.720 This is not one of those moments, in my opinion.

00:59:09.780 there are other moments in history when diplomacy has to be not elegant but effective and that is

00:59:18.440 the moment right now for too long here we are in alberta we've been forced to wheel the feather

00:59:25.480 while ottawa has swung its sledgehammer again and again and again and again and i'm concerned or as

00:59:33.040 far as i'm concerned that time is over time we pick up tools of our own it's time we negotiate

00:59:39.100 for ourselves, for our children, and it's time that we secure a future for our families,

00:59:44.740 our children, and our posterity, and our people.

00:59:48.860 Thank you.

00:59:49.340 Thank you.

00:59:50.340 Sorry, folks, I just have to make a comment, because everything that Tanner said was spot-on.

01:00:12.360 But if I were to summarize, I would say, in terms of being landlocked, we're not really landlocked, we're policy-locked.

01:00:18.620 And one other thing that works in our favor is Articles 124 and 125 in the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea requires that companies that are landlocked have access to tidewater.

01:00:35.620 so that's an important consideration as well and speaking of all of this business about being

01:00:42.080 landlocked remember that japan and germany came to us on bend and knee wanting gas

01:00:51.000 liquefied natural gas and why did the federal government say there's no business case for it 0.77

01:00:55.960 It's ridiculous. And speaking of being landlocked, there's a lot of countries like Switzerland that are very successful. So, so our next speaker is Mitch Sylvester.

01:01:12.640 He's the owner-operator of Sylvester's Sporting Goods, a well-established store in Montyville since 1989.

01:01:19.000 Mitch is actively involved in political advocacy.

01:01:22.760 He chairs the Alberta First Pension Plan Initiative and is the CEO of the Alberta Prosperity Project.

01:01:29.120 Mitch is an advocate for the people and speaks with honesty and integrity.

01:01:32.760 Please welcome Mitch Sylvester.

01:01:40.560 Hello, everyone.

01:01:42.160 Welcome.

01:01:42.640 It's nice to see such a big group.

01:01:44.980 I can't allude to the fact that we've done hundreds of town halls or a hundred town halls

01:01:48.520 in the last year, and it's very nice to see all of you here.

01:01:52.240 It's very nice of Mr. Carney to win an election for us.

01:01:56.200 However, here's the problem.

01:01:59.640 We're all in here.

01:02:01.400 If we're going to go after this, we have to understand that if we don't win this,

01:02:06.360 it's going to be very much harder on us.

01:02:07.920 There's no question in my mind that that's the plan.

01:02:12.920 We have to understand that politicians are not going to save us.

01:02:15.640 Leaders are not going to save us.

01:02:17.400 We have to save ourselves.

01:02:19.840 And never has that been more true than right now.

01:02:22.500 Mayor Pollyann, I and everybody in this room thought that he was going to win that election.

01:02:27.780 And that was going to make life a whole bunch easier for us.

01:02:30.920 And again, it happens.

01:02:32.860 He did not win that election.

01:02:34.660 And life is not going to get easier.

01:02:37.920 What we've got going on, Danielle Smith won election.

01:02:41.560 I had a lot to do with putting her in as a premier. 0.99

01:02:44.480 I did a lot of work for her.

01:02:46.480 I did a lot of canvassing for her.

01:02:47.840 I probably put as many people at the AGM last year as anybody,

01:02:51.300 more than anybody actually.

01:02:53.580 And Danielle's not saving us either.

01:02:56.820 So here's the face of this project.

01:02:59.580 The face of this project is you.

01:03:02.580 And you have to accept the responsibility.

01:03:05.720 Because if you don't accept the responsibility,

01:03:07.680 We cannot do this.

01:03:09.640 We have 300,000, 250,000 people.

01:03:11.980 We're going to need a million and a half votes

01:03:13.580 to secure this win.

01:03:16.040 How are we going to go from 250 to a million and a half?

01:03:18.860 I think we've got the easy 250 right now.

01:03:22.640 So you're going to have to advocate

01:03:24.520 to your friends and neighbors

01:03:26.200 that this needs to happen

01:03:27.880 and the reason it needs to happen.

01:03:29.400 There's no question in my mind

01:03:30.620 that it needs to happen.

01:03:33.160 So in order for us to win this,

01:03:34.820 it's going to depend on you.

01:03:36.220 We're going to run around the country

01:03:37.380 do in spending a tremendous amount of effort on your behalf to try and rally people in rooms like

01:03:43.060 this everywhere we've got 40 events both in the next 50 days so we're going to be all the way from

01:03:50.340 lacrete all the way down to the deep south of alberta we're going to be talking to town halls

01:03:55.140 small towns rural communities all manner of things like that and that's going to be a tremendous

01:04:00.180 amount of effort and a tremendous amount of time and we're asking that you work as hard as meeting

01:04:05.300 because that's what it's going to take.

01:04:08.800 And I don't want to be the bearer of hard and bad news,

01:04:12.180 but that is what it's going to take.

01:04:13.860 And when you're building an army while we're talking about unpleasant things,

01:04:17.620 we need donations, and we're going to pass the bucket around

01:04:20.140 and we thank you in advance for helping us out.

01:04:23.340 All right, so we'll get down to this presentation.

01:04:26.320 That's me.

01:04:27.440 I'm the president of the UCPCA Board in Barnabas, Alberta,

01:04:31.780 so I'm involved with government at a direct level.

01:04:33.440 The reason for that is, I learned a long time ago when we were reading things like marches on the street against COVID lockdowns and all the rest of that kind of stuff, that we were talking to ourselves.

01:04:45.440 And if you're not involved with government, you don't know what's going on, and you have no influence.

01:04:50.440 So we decided that it would be a much better deal to be at the UCPCA board level, and that's the group of people that I brought from Bonneville to last year's AGM in Red Deer.

01:05:00.440 those people participate we were three years in a row the largest group of people at the agm and

01:05:06.120 that's what i'm asking you to do that's what i asked them to do and that's what i'm asking you

01:05:10.120 guys right now is to help us out because again we can't do it without you i'll emphasize that many

01:05:14.920 many many times the other thing i want you to be sure of and i'm sure of it is every four years

01:05:20.280 even if we win a government you have a conservative government if we're lucky to have a conservative

01:05:25.640 government we're going to spend a whole bunch of time worrying about the next liberal government

01:05:29.080 doing everything that's there. So I know that that's a concern of mine, and I'm sure it's

01:05:34.080 a concern of everybody in this room. Now, when I was hosting the premier last week or

01:05:39.240 a week and a half ago, I asked her to elaborate on the damage that Ottawa is doing to stop

01:05:44.320 working. And she basically said it was an abusive relationship, because I wanted her 1.00

01:05:48.420 to say it, but I didn't want it to come from me. I just wanted her to make it very clear

01:05:52.340 to the people in the room that we were being abused by Ottawa. Actually, if you look at

01:05:56.800 definition of oppression we're being oppressed that's how bad this is but no other province in

01:06:01.360 canada is being oppressed like us right and so that's that's the deal so just understand what

01:06:08.000 we have we're the third largest oil industry in the world we have the third largest oil reserve

01:06:12.480 in the world and we're 100 million dollars in debt have you seen the pictures of trump and

01:06:20.640 in Qatar? Did you see him drive up that really long driveway

01:06:24.640 and all the lit streets and all that? Did you see that?

01:06:29.160 Where do we see that in Alberta? Where do we see that kind of

01:06:32.420 exhibition of wealth here in Alberta? Well, we don't because

01:06:36.420 it's all gone. They haven't taken that wealth from us since

01:06:40.380 1905.

01:06:44.660 Alright, here's the path to the referendum. Dennis alluded to it. I just want you to see it

01:06:48.460 again. So we've got a collection of the digital pledge, the vote yes to Alberta Sovereignty.

01:06:53.460 Then we register the petition with Elections Alberta, which is what we're doing right now.

01:06:58.460 We're going to register our petition request with Elections Alberta right now, and as soon

01:07:03.460 as the law actually changes for 177,000 signatures on our petition, we'll have the first one

01:07:09.460 in on that day and on that morning. Within 90 days, Elections Alberta verifies the signature

01:07:15.460 a signature collected from the public so we have to go out there and collect 177 000 signatures

01:07:21.460 so we've broken the province up into 89 cas which is 87 but going to be two more so that'll be 89.

01:07:27.940 so we're going to be going to every institution association and gathering signatures from all of

01:07:34.420 our people so that we can make this work we have to get 177 000 signatures in order to have a

01:07:39.300 referendum for independence. The government will accept it, and then if we win it, the

01:07:47.300 government has to implement it. So therefore, let's go back to my comment about how you

01:07:52.300 have to be involved with government. So if I was a thinking person, and sometimes I am,

01:07:59.300 I would think that would be a very good idea to become a member of the government that's

01:08:03.300 government that's going to be in power when that decision is made because we

01:08:09.760 have to be able to influence that government with membership and with our

01:08:13.620 voice and governments do listen to people the thing they hate the most is

01:08:17.400 large crowds that are all thinking the same. Our Prime Minister said one of the most

01:08:25.440 astonishing things I could ever imagine a Canadian Prime Minister saying he said

01:08:29.540 There is no car identity in mainstream Canada. No mainstream in Canada. Consequently, that makes us the first post-national state. So what's a post-national state? No orders. No identity. Open to all manner of immigration. Does that sound like anything that's been going on here in the last 10, 12 years, 15 years?

01:08:49.820 so he thinks that we do not have an identity

01:08:53.560 and that we are not actually a country

01:08:55.940 we're actually a place where all the citizens in the world

01:08:59.000 can come here because we have a wide open border

01:09:01.340 so that's been happening, both sides of the border here

01:09:03.480 and it's become a big problem

01:09:04.740 and this is when it all started

01:09:07.840 let us allude to this from Mr. Clifton

01:09:10.000 and here's my point

01:09:11.420 my grandparents came here in that time

01:09:15.240 they came here, they left everything behind

01:09:18.580 they started brand new

01:09:20.740 they came to Alberta

01:09:22.420 they broke the land by hand

01:09:24.100 they pulled stumps by hand

01:09:25.940 they lived in a dirt floor shack

01:09:27.640 until they could get a team of horses to help them pull the stumps

01:09:30.320 and make things easier

01:09:31.200 but the thing of it was is that they believed in a dream

01:09:34.240 they believed that it would be better for them

01:09:36.200 when they got here

01:09:37.880 and when they got that job

01:09:38.960 so that's where we're at right now

01:09:41.880 we're starting way further ahead than them

01:09:44.400 but we have to start thinking

01:09:46.320 that this is not going to be easy

01:09:49.100 This is going to be very hard.

01:09:50.640 This is going to be one of the biggest fights we'll ever do.

01:09:53.320 But here's what we have to understand.

01:09:54.660 There's a lot at stake for us, and things are not going to get better than they are now.

01:09:59.920 They're just going to get worse.

01:10:01.620 Because they're telling us that.

01:10:03.340 They're showing us that every day.

01:10:05.480 So if things are going to get worse, we have to make a decision that we're going to take this fight to them,

01:10:12.280 and we can win this.

01:10:13.860 We don't have to shoot anybody.

01:10:15.540 There's a legal path.

01:10:16.580 We just have to work hard to attain it.

01:10:19.580 And if called upon, maybe we would have to come to a demonstration at the legislature,

01:10:23.580 but they are going to work through the analogies.

01:10:26.580 Listen, I'll tell you why.

01:10:28.580 Because understand this, if we win this referendum for independence,

01:10:33.580 we make the rules all of a sudden.

01:10:36.580 They will not be happy with the fact that we're making those.

01:10:45.720 We could ban political parties.

01:10:48.540 We could have representation, equal representation, rural versus urban.

01:10:53.220 We could do all manner of good things there.

01:10:56.440 Like, we could change everything.

01:10:58.140 Government of corruption is the biggest, biggest problem with what's going on here.

01:11:02.780 I'm going to get into it quite a bit here, and we'll keep going.

01:11:06.580 Alright, so this is where the problems started in 1980. I remember that very clearly. I was around when they said that they didn't want the power base of the country to go from Ottawa to Calgary. That was what it was said. I remember it clearly. I said, oh my God, that's silly. What would it matter? We're all one country. Why would it be different if it was from Ottawa to Calgary?

01:11:28.400 Well for them it was a big difference, and that's when the equalization came in.

01:11:33.400 That's that very point, they decided that Alberta was to stay broke, or broke dirt, then Ottawa.

01:11:40.400 So that's the reason that all this nonsense started.

01:11:47.400 I just went to that. Okay, so here's the next contribution, we alluded to that.

01:11:51.400 Look at the graph, it's very clear.

01:11:53.400 Alberta donates $244 billion, Quebec gets $227 billion. That's from 2007 to 22, of course.

01:12:05.400 Here's the utilization payments. Notice how much Quebec gets, $13.6 billion.

01:12:10.400 This is $25.26 and this is $24.25. Do you notice how old they're very similar?

01:12:18.400 Do you notice how much Alberta got?

01:12:21.400 Zero.

01:12:22.400 Do you notice how much Quebec got?

01:12:24.400 26 billion dollars in two years.

01:12:27.400 Do you know what the budget of the province of Alberta is?

01:12:30.400 This year it's bloated, it's bigger than ever, it's 75 billion dollars.

01:12:34.400 So that's 35% of our budget right there in two years given to Quebec.

01:12:40.400 And they didn't earn anything and they don't want it or do it.

01:12:43.400 so just understand that they're okay with not allowing us to earn what we're

01:12:49.960 giving them money and that's the key to the whole thing okay let's talk about

01:12:56.500 canon pension the one thing I know about a little bit is pension I've done a lot of

01:13:00.640 channels on pension so just understand this there's a portability clause to your

01:13:04.880 pension so this portability clause means that no matter where you live in the

01:13:09.180 world, it will send your pension. So by extension, that means if you live in an independent country

01:13:17.200 of Alberta, they have to send your pension. One of the things they're going to scare you

01:13:22.720 with is they're going to say, well, we're going to cut the pension off. Well, that's

01:13:27.040 actually, they can't do that. Because you've actually been paying pension that belongs

01:13:31.200 to you and they owe it to you. So even if you live in Costa Rica or in France or anywhere

01:13:36.940 like that, the Portability Clause kicks in, and they have to pay you. So another thing, let's

01:13:41.980 understand how pension works in Alberta. The pay-as-you-go system, but right now, Albertans

01:13:47.380 contribute $9 million a year to CPP. CPP pays Alberta seniors $6 billion a year. We have a $3

01:13:57.440 million surplus every year. Now the CPP, when it was originally designed, it was designed so that

01:14:04.900 And any excess money that the province pays goes into a fund for that province, and it sits there, and the province can call it back at will if they want to leave CPP with interest.

01:14:19.220 That number for Alberta right now is $325 billion plus $3 billion for the last two years, because that number is two years old, plus interest on that money.

01:14:30.140 So, the Government of Canada has actually put that in their asset tile, and in actual fact, it's our asset.

01:14:38.140 They owe us about $360 billion. That number alone is 60 years of pension without us earning another penny,

01:14:48.140 putting another penny in as a contribution, or collecting a penny of interest.

01:14:54.140 There's 60 years of security there.

01:14:56.140 The lowest number I've ever heard that they're going to give us is $195 billion.

01:15:01.140 That's the lowest number that they said that they owe us.

01:15:04.140 But they're not talking about what they owe us because they don't want to start a conversation.

01:15:07.140 They've missed four deadlines since we've been doing this.

01:15:10.140 We keep saying that we're going to give them money.

01:15:12.140 But they never give us a number because they don't want us to start a discussion.

01:15:17.140 Alright, so this is important.

01:15:19.140 They come in and they just expect us to forget what happened in the last 10 years.

01:15:24.140 So we have to remember what happened the last 10 years because it probably mirrored the next time.

01:15:30.880 It'll probably be worse.

01:15:32.980 Okay, the amount of oil is going up.

01:15:35.700 We're talking about cutting our production down.

01:15:39.420 This is the amount of money we lost, $500 billion.

01:15:42.660 $500 billion is a lot of money, especially since we owe $100 billion.

01:15:49.140 So that's what we've lost in investment.

01:15:51.340 So what does that actually do?

01:15:52.860 But what does that mean? That means that we've lost a lot of jobs, we've lost a lot of wealth, we've lost the ability to create more wealth, because I understand what I've been in business for 45, 46 years. It's way easier to run a business with money than it is without money.

01:16:09.860 I'm going to promise you that because I know both sides.

01:16:13.860 And I'm going to tell you something else.

01:16:15.860 When you have money, you can make decisions and you can build your business.

01:16:19.860 When they consciously take money away from you so you cannot build your business, then everything suffers.

01:16:25.860 So what happens when you build your business?

01:16:27.860 You hire more people, you take more chances, the economy grows.

01:16:32.860 If you keep taking that money away from people, then the economy doesn't grow.

01:16:38.860 So, Gilbo pulls a pin on an $11 billion natural gas plant in Rupert, or Kinemat, whatever it was, and that was then saluted to the fact that we did not want to sell our natural gas to Germany and Japan.

01:16:54.860 Two of the leading economies in the world, that cost us trillions of dollars in revenue. Trillions of dollars in revenue.

01:17:03.860 And if you saw that picture of Trump lately,

01:17:05.820 he was in Qatar and actually took that up for us.

01:17:10.180 So it's not in our plan.

01:17:12.460 So how do you think that that does not get into our plan?

01:17:16.800 We burn off natural gas.

01:17:18.100 We've got one of the highest levels of natural gas

01:17:20.300 anywhere in the world.

01:17:21.840 But we don't want to sell it to those people.

01:17:23.620 Why is that?

01:17:25.900 Because they want us to stay broke.

01:17:29.480 That's the answer.

01:17:30.740 There's no other answer.

01:17:33.680 And if you're being abused by someone, anyone, do they like you?

01:17:38.320 Do they care about you?

01:17:40.540 How can they?

01:17:41.820 If they're doing that to their old people.

01:17:44.140 Never in my life would I have thought that it's possible for our government to stifle our British English country.

01:17:53.540 Can you understand that?

01:17:55.880 Why would they do that?

01:17:57.240 Because they don't want our people to be prosperous.

01:17:59.620 It's a very simple answer.

01:18:00.720 So if you're feeling guilty about the elbows up thing, you know, I mean we've been on Team Canada forever.

01:18:07.720 Team Canada has not been on Team Alberta for the last hundred years.

01:18:11.720 That's right.

01:18:17.720 None of that, you're trying to cap production with this carbon emission thing.

01:18:23.720 So what's going to happen if they cap production?

01:18:26.720 they're literally according to our premium going to cut our production in

01:18:31.400 half. Do you not understand what that means to the province of Alberta? That means the

01:18:38.360 biggest recession we've ever seen. Like even if they cut it 10-15 percent that's

01:18:43.320 that's amazing. Like when Trudeau came into power in 2015 our area in Bonneville

01:18:49.680 we lost 1,500 jobs and I'm telling you what real estate went in the toilet

01:18:56.060 people didn't have enough money to pay their bills, their houses went for sale.

01:18:59.460 Just imagine if they cut the production in half.

01:19:03.180 Not only are they building the cow and taking all our money, they're killing the cow.

01:19:12.280 Just understand what that means for our kids and for our future.

01:19:15.620 Because this is what we're talking about here right now.

01:19:17.640 There's a lot of people in this room that are retired and are my age.

01:19:20.980 We probably okay until we die.

01:19:23.320 but I'm looking at what's going on with the kids. I've got kids who can't afford to buy a house at 28 years old and it wasn't that long ago, it seemed like not that long ago when I was in high school and I'm going to tell you what, people were actually buying houses just about my way out of high school because I like to tell this story because back then there was no birth control and there was a lot of pregnant people in high school. 0.89

01:19:47.320 as a consequence to that

01:19:51.360 they had to buy houses and they had to get on with it

01:19:53.760 the funniest thing is

01:19:55.200 a lot of those people have been married ever since

01:19:57.500 like it turned out to be

01:19:59.640 a real good thing for that

01:20:00.540 but what I'm seeing is this, they couldn't afford to buy a house

01:20:03.380 today, if you got out of high school

01:20:05.960 you would not be able to afford to buy a house

01:20:08.140 alright, this is what they're doing, this is what else they're doing

01:20:13.540 they're blocking pipelines, they're tied for ban

01:20:15.680 In the West only, tankers can go out to St. Lawrence, there's no problem with that, but it can't go up close to Prince Rupert in northern BC.

01:20:26.300 But, they can go from Alaska around international water and down to the USA.

01:20:33.760 But they can't pick up oil gas in BC.

01:20:38.120 Why is that?

01:20:40.420 Because they know it was to prosper.

01:20:43.480 That's a conscious thing.

01:20:44.920 and we can't ignore the fact that they literally hate us. I mean, I don't understand how else to put it.

01:20:58.620 Bill C-293, any farmers in the room? All right, you guys know anything about C-293. Here's the deal.

01:21:05.600 You gotta love this one. So they're going to create another emergency at some point because

01:21:10.100 running all around the world trying to make sure that everybody's mandatory

01:21:14.140 vaccines are happening. So this is what it's going to be.

01:21:17.860 St. Zavian flu, because it just killed those 400 doctors, and we're going to say that that's

01:21:21.740 probably a precursor to what's going on. So they're going to create this emergency

01:21:25.640 that's going to allow them to go to your farm and seize your land 1.00

01:21:30.160 and your herd.

01:21:34.140 Well, good luck, but what are you going to do about it? You're going to start shooting. 0.94

01:21:37.160 but that's what they're putting into law.

01:21:39.100 Why would they be putting that into law at all, anyways?

01:21:43.160 If I was just driving here,

01:21:44.600 I'd go to the greenies in every yard, 1.00

01:21:47.800 so the land here must be absolutely an exception.

01:21:50.460 And I didn't know that until today,

01:21:52.020 until I was due to the drive,

01:21:53.320 so I'm thinking,

01:21:54.440 it should all be some excellent land

01:21:55.800 and some very well-off farmers

01:21:58.340 by the looks of what I've seen on the way up here.

01:22:01.680 But the whole thing is this.

01:22:03.360 What's the point of that law?

01:22:04.720 Control the food and control the people.

01:22:08.720 Is that okay?

01:22:12.720 But now we know. Right now we know this stuff is happening.

01:22:16.720 Like I said, that's what I'm saying. It's not going to get better.

01:22:28.720 11.9 megatons of CO2 from all the things we've done

01:22:32.720 the billions of dollars we spend.

01:22:35.140 China admits 11.9 gigahertz of CO2

01:22:38.780 every 37 hours.

01:22:42.480 So all the green policies,

01:22:45.140 all the stock pipelines,

01:22:46.820 all of everything,

01:22:48.380 China produces that amount

01:22:49.740 in less than two days.

01:22:52.740 Why are we doing that?

01:22:56.620 I know the point of this whole discussion.

01:23:00.320 You can't tax people into poverty

01:23:02.280 it's not going to change the weather. Here's the other thing that you're doing.

01:23:10.740 Understand this. This is conscious as well. Here's a list of the taxes that we pay.

01:23:14.960 Carbon tax, personal income tax, corporate tax, goods and services tax, excise tax, fuel tax,

01:23:22.080 alcohol tax, tobacco tax, cannabis tax, excise duties on other stuff, customs

01:23:28.080 duties tariffs air travelers tax luxury tax provincial territorial tax capital gains tax

01:23:34.080 land transfer tax media tax regulation tax cpp tax business tax estate tax and now they want

01:23:43.040 to tax your house a good state yikes it's a lot of taxes is that a little excessive

01:23:49.600 why are they doing that

01:23:52.920 because

01:23:55.140 they want to make you poorer

01:23:56.740 again

01:23:58.260 it's the same answer for everything that they're doing

01:24:00.700 so understand this

01:24:02.700 there's got to be a level of

01:24:04.020 a certain level

01:24:04.680 they're going to try and put on you

01:24:07.600 for trying to leave the country

01:24:08.940 however

01:24:11.360 they don't have to do this to us

01:24:14.300 any of it

01:24:15.360 this is all thought

01:24:17.860 on us from them.

01:24:19.520 We never asked for it.

01:24:20.900 Even as little as six or eight weeks ago,

01:24:22.760 I would have thought, you know what?

01:24:24.020 I wouldn't be doing this.

01:24:25.300 I wouldn't be talking to you about this.

01:24:26.900 When Carney won the election, I thought, you know what?

01:24:29.420 That's just fun enough.

01:24:32.300 We were onboarding 4,000 people an hour

01:24:34.920 after Colin Carney won the election.

01:24:38.740 We had people, a lot of people in Alberta

01:24:40.720 put up on this.

01:24:41.280 You notice the separation talks of independence

01:24:43.940 is now coffee shop.

01:24:46.860 It's everywhere.

01:24:47.860 Would you have thought that a year ago?

01:24:49.680 Would you have thought that all the people out there that used to be on the other side of the fence

01:24:54.520 that never even dreamed of this impossibility are now seeing the fact that we cannot change this?

01:25:04.040 Here's the other problem.

01:25:05.740 This is all about money.

01:25:08.560 So what happens to some of the money?

01:25:11.100 Well, out of $187 billion worth of infrastructure spending, there's 20,000 missing projects.

01:25:20.100 They printed $352 billion during COVID with no audit.

01:25:27.100 That doesn't include we, Stamble for a billion dollars, what else do we have?

01:25:34.100 The arrived can, $60,000 app that they spend a billion dollars on.

01:25:39.100 Where's that money going?

01:25:46.100 All over the place.

01:25:48.100 Okay, here's the other thing.

01:25:49.100 They paroled parliament.

01:25:50.100 Why did they paroled parliament?

01:25:52.100 Because they had $400 million missing in the Green Slush Fund

01:25:56.100 and they didn't want to have to answer the questions.

01:25:59.100 That's really why they paroled parliament.

01:26:02.100 That is actually the reason.

01:26:04.100 The other thing that they didn't want to talk about

01:26:06.100 talk about was foreign interference during elections. That is happening. They haven't

01:26:13.100 had parliament in 152 days. They also approved 40 billion dollars of extra spending, going

01:26:19.100 to be up to 70 billion dollars without anybody discussing it. Is that democracy? They think

01:26:26.100 that they can absolutely do this. So my question to you, and this is what's been bothering

01:26:33.100 bothering me all along here

01:26:34.820 is how come they're never held accountable?

01:26:37.780 We didn't elect kings.

01:26:42.420 This is the biggest part of our problem.

01:26:44.540 We live in a lawless society.

01:26:47.320 Whether you like it or not,

01:26:49.420 they're showing us that

01:26:50.540 by everything they're doing,

01:26:52.160 and there's no consequences.

01:26:55.720 When's the last time

01:26:56.520 a government official

01:26:58.160 in L.A. or N.P. went to jail?

01:27:00.320 1923.

01:27:03.100 So I want to ask you a question. Do you remember when that orange juice scandal happened when Stephen Harper was in power and the lady bought like a $25 glass of orange juice and it just about dropped the government down?

01:27:16.100 Like what are we talking about here? We're talking about billions of dollars and they're not answering any questions. You remember Prime Minister Trudeau saying, yeah, he never answered the question in 10 years.

01:27:29.100 How does that work?

01:27:34.100 So the moral of the story is this.

01:27:38.100 We're living in a very corrupt system.

01:27:41.100 Governments above the law.

01:27:44.100 Like it or not, our democracy is in big trouble.

01:27:49.100 It is our duty to take care of ourselves now.

01:27:53.100 And that's where we're at.

01:27:56.100 So we tariff an electric car, an electric Chinese car, 100% that no one has ever heard of or seen, and then our federal government turns around and does that and allows China to tariff our peas and our canola 100%.

01:28:17.160 That's 50% of the problem, I don't know what the ratio is here, but that's 50% of it.

01:28:21.920 How does that work?

01:28:25.920 So who's our government working for?

01:28:27.920 Definitely not our farmers.

01:28:30.920 Yep.

01:28:32.920 All right.

01:28:34.920 In the past, both C63 Online Time Act

01:28:38.920 and BC11 Online Streaming Act have been brought to the forefront.

01:28:43.920 Those are both censorship bills.

01:28:46.920 In my lifetime, I would have never thought that I would have to worry about censorship in Canada.

01:28:52.920 Here's the thing about that. You don't know what you don't know.

01:28:58.920 You don't even know you're being censored.

01:29:00.920 If they don't allow it through and the information never comes to you, how are you going to know?

01:29:06.920 All right, Alberta produces the largest ever fentanyl lab case in 16 years, 7,600 kilograms

01:29:16.920 of chemical to make fentanyl, this is in value, they caught this in this lab.

01:29:24.220 Another super lab.

01:29:25.740 7,600 kilograms of material.

01:29:30.000 It's not illegal here in Canada to import the material that makes fentanyl.

01:29:35.640 yikes

01:29:37.160 more American kids

01:29:39.560 died last year

01:29:40.840 than died in the last 75 years

01:29:43.840 of the American

01:29:45.320 military history

01:29:46.660 including Korea, including Vietnam

01:29:48.480 110,000 American kids died

01:29:51.160 of opioid overdoses last year

01:29:53.500 and they lost $103,000

01:29:55.340 in the last 75 years

01:29:56.960 with their military in the wars

01:29:58.400 we're losing 22 kids a day here

01:30:01.280 in Alberta

01:30:01.660 in Canada, sorry

01:30:03.640 Can you imagine if gun people shot 22 people a day?

01:30:10.640 Like if there was 22 murders a day with guns.

01:30:14.640 Then a salute to this.

01:30:17.640 Mr. Carnegie is a socialist.

01:30:20.640 I won't read it to you.

01:30:21.640 Then a salute to it.

01:30:23.640 Mr. Carnegie is a socialist.

01:30:25.640 Understand that's what we're fighting.

01:30:27.640 They want our money.

01:30:29.640 We're taking it.

01:30:31.640 We have to decide if we want to give it to them or if we want to keep it for ourselves.

01:30:36.280 That's a decision. It's that simple.

01:30:39.800 If we're going to allow this to go on, we can.

01:30:42.700 This is going to be our choice.

01:30:43.780 This is going to be the most important decision probably any of you in this room ever make politically.

01:30:49.640 No doubt in my mind.

01:30:51.520 Easily.

01:30:52.080 So you're going to have to decide today before you leave that you're either going to fight this or you're going to let them get their way.

01:30:58.700 That's the only two choices. I don't see any other choices.

01:31:01.640 One last comment on Mr. Carney. He dropped his tariffs before he did the elbows up. So he did not, he lied to you. He lied to you through the whole election.

01:31:17.640 last thing let's talk about socialism and let's talk about guns

01:31:23.040 let us allude to the fact that we're actually working on the big changing

01:31:26.820 event now in Alberta we're actually trying to get a gun license for Albertans

01:31:30.320 we started this on Sunday as a matter of fact we reached out to the government today

01:31:34.200 they're pretty happy with it they think that this could happen

01:31:36.880 so if that's the case we're going to go back to gun laws in Alberta

01:31:40.180 to what we had in Alberta in 2014 before the local student power

01:31:43.820 So that would be a really good idea.

01:32:13.820 You can read that for yourself.

01:32:20.820 Alright, there are a lot of 2 million immigrants into Canada every year.

01:32:28.820 That's not a problem. My parents or grandparents are immigrants.

01:32:33.820 2 million is a problem. We can't sustain the country every single year. 0.99

01:32:41.820 year the infrastructure just does not handle it our health care is being stretched housing

01:32:47.180 houses are crazy and it's all because of that jenner talked about leverage here's the deal

01:32:54.060 i believe this with all my heart if you really want to change let them to leave and mean it

01:32:58.620 yeah be ready to leave you can't get the plan if you don't mean it i don't understand what the

01:33:02.220 preacher was saying when she said it's going to affect the national unity and then right away

01:33:07.900 later and said, well, I'm going to give them six more months.

01:33:10.760 That's fine. She can have her six months. 0.99

01:33:12.020 And I agreed. If they changed all

01:33:14.000 these things, and I asked her this question

01:33:16.120 directly in public,

01:33:18.480 I said, so what,

01:33:19.900 how far, how many of your demands

01:33:22.100 are they going to have to come up with? All of them?

01:33:24.140 Or are you going to give them a little

01:33:26.060 bit of grace and say, if they come up with half?

01:33:30.180 I would suggest that they have to give them all.

01:33:34.340 And here's the way I

01:33:35.920 feel about this and this is a democracy ladies and gentlemen we're going to live with the results

01:33:43.040 so if you don't feel you've suffered long enough just wait you're going to suffer more

01:33:47.920 if you have not suffered enough you've got a given right to suffer more

01:33:52.000 and finally i think that mr funny will finish the job thank you very much

01:33:56.080 how we can onboard you so if you could if you know how to use scan the qr code it'll take you

01:34:10.420 directly and everyone go to albertaprosperityproject.com we're going to everybody that's signed up in the

01:34:17.500 back and we're going to send you a shareable text and within the next two or three days and we're

01:34:23.580 going to ask you to share that text with all the people that you know that would help you join us.

01:34:28.840 That's going to make life better and easier for you. So if you

01:34:31.720 can do that, that would be super. The other thing you can do is if you don't believe

01:34:35.740 that that's something that you want to do and you want to talk to them personally,

01:34:39.740 get a form in the back, put 10 names on it, 12 names on it,

01:34:44.240 there's a return address on that you can send to us in the mail, and then we're

01:34:47.820 going to put those people into our system, and then we will contact them.

01:34:51.180 So we've had, we've onboarded 170,000 people here in the last three weeks, so it was quite a large volume for us to handle.

01:35:00.040 We actually have 15,000 to 18,000 volunteers that we're also going to try and put to work.

01:35:04.920 So if we're going to win this, we have to do that.

01:35:07.020 We have to get people.

01:35:08.140 This is what it's all about.

01:35:09.460 We're going to need money, and we're going to need people.

01:35:12.020 So to get this over the top, that's what it's going to take.

01:35:15.100 And I'm not really going to identify who's going to start.

01:35:17.100 they're not going to let what could possibly be the largest economy in the world just go away

01:35:22.500 so it's going to have to require a big majority and in order for us to get a big majority we're

01:35:28.560 going to have to do the work thank you very much anybody from alberta go to alberta

01:35:35.540 prosperityproject.com and sign up is there an email address canada posted it's supposed to be

01:35:42.900 going on strike they're always on strike so it's albertacrosperity.com that you can send

01:35:53.960 any forms or any registrations as well just because we're going to have a strike soon

01:35:58.540 I think so we are going to have a Q&A before we go to the Q&A though I would like to personally

01:36:08.080 thanks to all the volunteers um our great commodities of volunteers who have organized

01:36:14.320 and helped us this evening's event our volunteers invite to our success and we sincerely appreciate

01:36:19.200 each of every one of you now we're going to do a quick q a so if people oh did you have something

01:36:29.360 yeah so i'm going to ask everybody to maybe line up along here and um i will hold the mic for you

01:36:35.520 and the speakers if they can come to the front to answer the questions so everybody can hear the

01:36:40.240 answers that would be great they're going to do a live q a now so if you would like to line up

01:36:47.200 here if you have a question and you'd like to ask any of the speakers just address your question to

01:36:51.440 speaker

01:37:14.320 my name is uh kent i'm just uh give a little background who i am i

01:37:18.240 I kept with, I own Bob's Bisto and town here. I've lived in Alberta for about 25 years.

01:37:24.560 I've lived in five provinces and worked in them, so I've been around a little bit.

01:37:30.480 I just wanted to thank you for coming out. I've got two questions. One is,

01:37:37.040 What's the difference between a drawl make the leaps and a mosquito?

01:37:52.040 The mosquito stops sucking.

01:37:59.040 I got one.

01:38:00.040 Okay, just to reinforce what some of you have said, is the, um, in Ottawa, um, in Ottawa,

01:38:16.040 the role is, um, not a promotion of the Pride minds, and here's the Pride, one of the things

01:38:23.040 came up with recently on an email or text from somebody was that they have entities in Ottawa

01:38:30.720 on the main program have approved and recommended that you can do assisted

01:38:38.080 suicide to children with parents not having any involvement. That's how the pride Ottawa has got.

01:38:46.680 And we need to get out of that relationship.

01:38:50.680 I can jump into a lot of things here.

01:38:54.680 The Senate, even if Poliette got in the majority,

01:38:58.680 the Senate is 90% liberal.

01:39:02.680 They would stall and stall. So a lot of this stuff just keeps going on and on.

01:39:06.680 But one of the things that I wanted to bring up, which leads to this historical

01:39:10.680 perspective, is the Alamo.

01:39:14.680 Okay, most people don't realize that the Alamo was under Mexican control, and people in Texas were being abused by the Mexican government, and in 1845, Texas became a state of the United States, thanks to the Americans that came down there to help them get out of that predicament, which we're in a predicament now.

01:39:41.680 and you've got to remember that the predicament that we're in historically will lead to the

01:39:48.080 deprived people will do everything including violence to keep us in canada 1.00

01:39:57.600 and the question is we were we're preaching to the converted here we need to change

01:40:05.040 evident calvary and metric what are you doing to get those people

01:40:11.920 there we go okay well we're going to spend money it's the top two kids we're going to move to where

01:40:17.760 they are to talk on their social media the other thing is everything's falling at 39

01:40:26.240 right now in favor of independence hell yeah already already at 39

01:40:35.040 and the rule is probably, in my mind, around 80%.

01:40:39.040 This is a very winnable fight.

01:40:41.040 And Calvin's going to do that.

01:40:44.040 Just a comment on the issue of bloodshed.

01:40:51.040 In the 1995 Quebec secession referendum,

01:40:56.040 Mr. Perizzo, who was the premier at the time,

01:41:00.040 had a discussion with the military

01:41:04.040 and that the military would stand down if Quebec's referendum on secession was successful.

01:41:11.320 By the same token, the same sort of discussion can occur here.

01:41:15.560 But one thing that we know is that if we have a successful referendum on secession here,

01:41:21.800 it really is very unlikely that there is going to be a military incursion into Alberta.

01:41:29.000 What could happen, though, is the kind of thing that we see Antifa does,

01:41:33.640 And that is to create violence and cause some harm.

01:41:38.320 That could happen.

01:41:39.960 Can we just keep it to one question each other?

01:41:42.180 Yes.

01:41:45.620 So they've lowered the threshold to 177,000.

01:41:50.660 Do you think this is a ruse to expedite the referendum?

01:41:56.780 Because the quick referendum would be a failed referendum.

01:42:00.280 do you believe that patience is our biggest virtue right now i know i was reading you i follow you

01:42:06.820 on x pretty hard i met you last time we were here in monday we had a good chat but like i believe

01:42:13.140 that the government and this is something we can all take to the bank if we win it they're all out

01:42:18.780 of the job so not one of them is working for us at this point okay is patience a virtue can we

01:42:26.860 control how long it takes to supply that petition.

01:42:35.480 Well, it's a really good question, and it's important to

01:42:38.980 address it, and here's the way I would address it, is that

01:42:42.580 we see certain things that happen that are

01:42:46.980 accelerating the growth of the sovereignty movement.

01:42:51.180 A very successful petition, for example, which could

01:42:54.880 be achieved by the end of September will be another momentum builder the

01:43:01.060 referendum itself will be a few months would be a few months after that and

01:43:07.420 again we're building and we're building and building and so even though what we

01:43:11.980 see now is 45% in the latest poll in support of Calgary sovereignty and like I said

01:43:19.880 65% of UCP members favor sovereignty, you have to understand the mindset of people who

01:43:28.180 are being polled. If it's a very controversial question, given that we still live in this

01:43:34.080 era of cancel culture, many people will not respond to the question or will respond with

01:43:41.000 a safe answer. And we know that because we saw this happen in the U.S. The polls didn't

01:43:46.700 really predict at all that Trump and the Republicans would win in a landslide in all of the swing

01:43:53.700 states. So I think it's important to recognize that also here in Canada, and I mentioned

01:44:00.480 this, in the trucker convoy, people's accounts were frozen if they had contributed to it.

01:44:07.060 So this issue of cancel culture is a real thing. So what is the reality of the percentage

01:44:15.660 of people in Alberta, voting people in Alberta, it'll be about 2.8 to 3 million who will be

01:44:20.460 eligible voters. What is the reality in terms of the appetite for these people to vote for

01:44:28.980 sovereignty? Well, you can look at polls, but I'd like you to consider that polls may not be all

01:44:36.340 that accurate. And as a proxy, consider the referendum, which I mentioned, when 62% of

01:44:45.040 albert is devoted to an equalization in 2021 is that a proxy uh for albert of sovereignty i don't

01:44:52.720 know the answer and it's the same thing with what i said about the pension plan going from you know

01:44:59.040 less than 50 percent to more than 55 percent thanks to these two gentlemen here so we may well be

01:45:06.480 closer than people think and you know i guess you could say one thought is let's drink while the

01:45:12.880 prior is thought. The other thing is to delay too long as well. And so we're doing our best

01:45:20.160 to navigate the timing, but I think we're going to be forced into the petition

01:45:25.700 very soon, but it will be up to the government to determine the timing of the referendum. And

01:45:31.840 whatever that timing is, we have to absolutely be out in full force to get the number of people

01:45:39.680 on their referendum, and I'm thinking it's going to be something more than 1.5 million

01:45:44.060 that we're going to need to win this.

01:45:46.640 So my worry is this.

01:45:49.040 On that campaign, they had somebody put the motion in,

01:45:51.740 and then they weren't allowed to do the motion again for five years.

01:45:55.260 So Thomas Mukasek has put a motion in right now that's ahead of ours.

01:45:58.860 His threshold is $600,000.

01:46:00.900 If that fails, according to the rules, and I don't know if the rules have changed or not changed,

01:46:05.560 then we wouldn't be able to pursue independence for five years from now.

01:46:09.300 So that's why we have to be on top of it and we have to hurry, because I still think we can win it.

01:46:14.900 There's a 30-day advertising period, a 120-day signature coverage period, and then that's going to happen to the people who are going to call for the referendum.

01:46:23.600 So we're probably 8 to 10 months away from the referendum, no matter what. We can do it in 10 months.

01:46:33.100 Thank you.

01:46:34.100 I'll admit right up front I'm a recovering bureaucrat. Unfortunately, the two most distasteful

01:46:41.060 years of my life I held a senior bureaucratic position with the federal government. I state that

01:46:47.780 because I have I have a thought behind that that goes to my question. In 1967 I was in Toronto and

01:46:54.580 I witnessed Philip Ropold stand there and state when he was advertising man in his world for

01:47:01.700 Montreal that Quebec was so good it never ratified Confederation and that is why 0.98

01:47:12.580 Canada had to keep paying it to get it in. In my position I was a lead auditor. I was a contract

01:47:23.240 corporate audit, not a personal tax on this team. I wanted to audit the company and go back.

01:47:34.520 And a ministerial level individual told me I wasn't permitted to, as they had never signed

01:47:42.520 in the Confederation and we did not have jurisdiction. If this is indeed correct,

01:47:48.920 which you folks have the resources to verify. A lot of what we're talking about is removed.

01:47:57.920 Yeah, and added to that, the 1982 Constitution Act, Quebec also did not sign on to that as well.

01:48:06.920 that's a very interesting that's a good point angle there brings up the issue of the westminster

01:48:26.680 statute so if um which fundamentally um states that we're already a sovereign nation for young

01:48:35.080 many people have tried to advance that but as mitch says no court is going to support that

01:48:41.800 that position right now doug forrest and his team put out a great video on this discussion

01:48:48.760 called the myth of canada and the illusion of canada is a more recent update but here's here's

01:48:55.960 the key point is that if we have a successful referendum which we will then as I said earlier

01:49:05.880 but just to remind everybody international law recognizes the will of the people expressed in a

01:49:11.800 referendum and then to validate that other countries need to acknowledge their sovereignty

01:49:17.720 and the U.S. will do it the very next day after a successful referendum.

01:49:21.720 Thank you.

01:49:27.720 So you may have just answered my question,

01:49:30.720 but what I want to know is we have a successful referendum

01:49:35.720 just like we did when we had a referendum on equalization.

01:49:39.720 What do we do? Where next steps are?

01:49:42.720 That's a good question.

01:49:45.720 That's another great question. Well, on the day of a successful referendum, acknowledged by the U.S., that the U.S. administration, probably the President, or Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, calls Daniel Smith and says, congratulations, you are now a sovereign nation, at which point Daniel Smith should be able to say that we now will unilaterally declare our sovereignty.

01:50:13.180 And why this is really important to understand is because it follows international law.

01:50:19.180 And the most recent example of that was in February 2008 when Kosovo had a successful referendum on sovereignty and unilaterally declared its independence.

01:50:31.180 And can you guess which two countries were the first to acknowledge Kosovo's sovereignty?

01:50:37.180 Japan and Canada.

01:50:40.180 All right? So precedent has been set. On that day, by the way, the provincial government, now an Alberta sovereign government, will inform all businesses and the public that no longer will any tax dollars be sent to Ottawa.

01:51:00.440 So that's an important point as well.

01:51:05.440 We've drafted an interim constitution already that will guide the transition process from a province to a sovereign nation.

01:51:15.440 We're just vetting the final components of it right now, but it's actually brilliantly crafted.

01:51:22.440 And it would serve the basis for, in that transition period, to organize a full constitutional conference

01:51:31.440 in which, following the completion of that conference and the drafting of a full constitution,

01:51:38.440 which would be an extension of the interim constitution,

01:51:41.440 then the public will have an opportunity to vote on which form of government it would like.

01:51:46.440 So that is a plan and we dealt with a lot of the other issues as well and so this is for me one of the favorite and I think for my two partners here, one of our most favorite time in these town halls is dealing with the questions.

01:52:06.180 But just to point out, there are about 71 questions on the website that have been answered after the Q session.

01:52:13.700 And Tanner and I have a little bit of a responsibility to update some of the answers.

01:52:21.300 All right, I'm up next.

01:52:22.580 My name is Largely. My family has been an appointment since 1896.

01:52:28.660 In the early to mid-60s, Tanner had a Prime Minister by the name of Lester B. Pearson.

01:52:34.960 At that time in our school system, we were taught that for Canada to exist in the future,

01:52:43.960 we had to divide Canada into west and east.

01:52:47.960 At the Ontario-Manitoba border, the west needed Thunder Bay for the ship and access to the St. Lawrence.

01:52:56.960 With your opinion, I don't know what ever happened to that part of our education system.

01:53:04.960 But my question is, why has nobody revisited this?

01:53:20.960 I think you bring up a legitimate point. I think the gentleman is quite correct.

01:53:23.960 The culture in the East is different than the culture in the West. 0.97

01:53:27.560 That's just the fact of Canada.

01:53:29.700 And we also have a scripture that says a house divided cannot stand.

01:53:33.180 So if we, in this country, continue to try and force something to work,

01:53:38.700 which clearly isn't working,

01:53:40.880 it will cause the entire apparatus to crumble and fall.

01:53:44.740 Michael Wagner has a marvelous book just on this,

01:53:47.320 on the culture of the West, and more specifically on Alberta,

01:53:50.900 and why it differs from the rest of the country.

01:53:53.500 Now, you talk about the need to get to St. Lawrence and to the coast.

01:53:59.200 Now, this was back in the 60s.

01:54:00.940 The geography of our shipping and our trade has changed a little bit, right?

01:54:05.720 We ship, as I mentioned at the start of my speech, a lot of product to America.

01:54:10.640 Out of Alberta's exports, you know, some $180 billion worth of export every year, 90% goes south.

01:54:17.500 It doesn't go up north, you know, it doesn't go to the coast and across the world, no.

01:54:21.460 it goes south to America, and a majority of our imports in Alberta, about 67% of them,

01:54:27.600 also come from America. More than that, our major export is oil and gas. 75% of our exports

01:54:34.700 are constituted by oil and gas, and those go, again, not to the coast, but for the most

01:54:40.880 part they head down south. So, I would say the shifting geography has changed a little

01:54:45.840 bit. Like, of course we want to diversify, and we want to enter into as many markets

01:54:50.000 as possible so as we increase our economic benefits and well-being absolutely but i think

01:54:55.280 we ought also in this age to try and strengthen our trading relationship with the americans as

01:55:01.120 much as possible especially in light of the uncertainty that is coming from ottawa

01:55:06.160 and from the government there right now it's a very very good point if you had manisoba's west

01:55:13.360 We're not relying on oil and gas. We've got agriculture, we've got cattle, we've got lumber, we've got mining, we have everything.

01:55:24.360 And the reason we were taught that is that the West would survive on resources, Ontario and Quebec would survive on their minerals.

01:55:38.360 because there is a lot of minerals that are not being mined in ontario thank you

01:55:51.240 all right um thank you guys for what you do i know that you guys are mostly volunteers and

01:55:57.800 you know i appreciate what the alberta prosperity project is doing so my question is a two-part

01:56:02.760 question first of all i'd like you to expand on um on international recognition so i know that

01:56:10.680 the alberta prosperity project had a what you call it a group of people that went down to washington

01:56:16.600 dc was there any indication from dc or anyone in there saying that they're willing to immediately

01:56:24.120 recognize alberta as an independent country and then the second part are we pushing for a referendum

01:56:29.240 this year 2025 or are we waiting on 2026 as the government of alberta has established

01:56:41.560 well as much as we'd like to have the referendum actually take place

01:56:48.200 in say by november the reality is the timing probably isn't going to work for that

01:56:53.240 As the Premier has already said, very likely it would be in 2006.

01:57:00.240 The other part of the question is where is the U.S. administration on this?

01:57:05.240 So I happen to be one of the two people that went as part of the first delegation to go.

01:57:13.240 And the preliminary comments when I touched on this is that we're very much in favor of Alberta sovereignty.

01:57:25.240 We recognize that joining the U.S. is not in the cards at this particular time.

01:57:33.240 And yes, there was discussion about recognition.

01:57:37.240 There were two points of politics.

01:57:42.240 Because we were looking for political and economic support.

01:57:47.240 And the political support was, number one,

01:57:52.240 and this was a question posed to us,

01:57:54.240 would it be helpful if the Secretary of State

01:57:58.240 or the President made comments on Alberta sovereignty?

01:58:02.240 And the answer to that was yes,

01:58:04.240 was yes, as long as it focused on the benefits to Alberta

01:58:09.880 and how the US could help facilitate the transition.

01:58:15.480 And the second part of it was the acknowledgment

01:58:19.920 of Alberta's sovereignty consequent

01:58:23.000 to a successful referendum.

01:58:24.700 So that would be the answer to your question.

01:58:26.700 Did you want to comment to me?

01:58:29.000 No.

01:58:30.000 I appreciate it.

01:58:34.240 My name is Dennis. I'm a father of all of my children. I'm a graduate and my daughter. That's the reason I'm here to be here.

01:58:45.000 I see your email from your wife.

PJ The Belt - May 22, 2025

ALBERTA INDEPENDENCE TOWN HALL - MAY 21 2025 MUNDARE AB - ALBERTA PROSPERITY PROJECT

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