PJ The Belt - Alberta Takes MASSIVE Step Toward Independence

00:00:00.000 We'll be right back.

00:00:30.000 who so so have you guys you guys heard that is going to be in canada canada

00:00:44.880 everybody pj here hope you're all having a good weekend uh we're going to be having a conversation

00:00:50.560 about all things alberta independence even saskatchewan independence and canadian politics

00:00:57.280 in general with a focus on the west got some guests here today to share the platform with

00:01:04.640 one of them has already been on the channel so he's no stranger to the channel friend of the

00:01:09.840 channel um then the other two haven't been on this channel but they're definitely also friends

00:01:15.380 of the channel uh and let me bring them on right now we've got one that's unacceptable fringe

00:01:23.580 friend of the channel you know him already this is matt many of you know him this is jason levine

00:01:31.000 also a friend of the channel thank you guys so much for joining me i'd already met matt on a live

00:01:38.040 with uh fringe i think it was this past uh wednesday and it was a lot of fun so i said we

00:01:43.300 got to do it again and then uh we got jason here i've been wanting to have him on the show for a

00:01:49.560 while he's uh he's a journalist here in alberta supports alberta independence and i support

00:01:55.380 everything jason does when it comes to advancing alberta independence and i appreciate you guys

00:02:00.160 joining me you guys want to talk and introduce yourselves to the audience uh go ahead take 30

00:02:05.600 seconds go first dare you got in first why do i go jason you're you've got the most clout here man

00:02:12.480 you you go ahead jason jason take the reins man well thanks very much for having me pj i've been

00:02:18.420 a fan of yours for quite some time and i really enjoyed that episode where you matt and derek were

00:02:22.380 talking about my position on daniel smith and what her office was saying about the mou and some other

00:02:27.620 things and i thought what a fantastic way to get to meet you by having a conversation shortly after

00:02:32.120 that one i'm the host of the levine show i do a daily weekday morning show with my wife and then

00:02:37.220 i do several interviews uh with people all across canada been doing this for about three and a half

00:02:41.620 years now 800 interviews under my belt and working really hard to try and give my children a brighter

00:02:46.640 future which is going to include a strong and independent alberta so thanks for having me on

00:02:51.200 your show my friend yes sir anybody who doesn't know us well you should but uh hey you know what

00:02:59.920 we're only here because of pj and and first off uh pj you're doing a fantastic job covering

00:03:05.200 independence we talk about it all the time on the channel um how great everybody in alberta including

00:03:11.200 jason including yourselves john bolton everybody's getting the message out right now and it's

00:03:15.600 important we keep our eyes on the prize when it comes to independence uh i'm just happy to be here

00:03:20.160 to talk about it because we all need to get to this vote we all need to make sure uh we stay on

00:03:24.800 track to vote in favor of independence because well you have a family if you have kids if you're

00:03:29.360 sick of paying the government it's tax money well it's time to go time to pack our bags time to get

00:03:34.400 out of here of course matt's joining us uh my good old co-host from wednesday's unhinged fringe

00:03:39.760 always good to have him here matt i'll let you take the reins and yeah this party started right

00:03:44.400 Right on. Yeah, I know. I've known Derek since we were kids. He was building that channel for

00:03:48.420 a few years, and he brought me on about four months ago now. And I'm a bit of a libertarian,

00:03:53.960 bit of an anarchist, and I long ago gave up hope of any solution to the world's problems. I was

00:03:59.580 just waiting for it all to go to hell and me to flee into the woods like a wolverine and start

00:04:03.020 guerrilla warfare. But I don't live in Alberta. I'm in Manitoba. Can't leave yet. But I've been

00:04:11.220 won over to the cause of Alberta independence as the only hope for anything good to come out of

00:04:16.760 this country. And I'm here to fight for it. That's it, man. That's it. And thank you all

00:04:22.680 again so much for joining me. I really appreciate you guys. Okay, so let's jump right into the

00:04:27.240 Alberta independence front. We have a big, big rally. Let me see if I can bring it on the screen

00:04:32.060 here. So where is there? You yelled at me for calling it a rally on Friday. It's going to be

00:04:39.680 a rally supposed to be a big one too uh so french uh tweeted retweeted this right here supposed to

00:04:47.280 be a big big rally out in calgary bmo center um so it's going to be what 6 000 people going in

00:04:56.400 there supposed to be indoors because obviously we're being having minus 30 weather minus 30

00:05:01.180 degree weather out here consistently did any of you guys know whether it's finalized or are they

00:05:07.100 still confirming is it still in the process do any of you guys have any information uh on this

00:05:12.400 rally yeah i chatted with mitch just yesterday we're going to be there so it looks like he's

00:05:18.060 setting up a media table for streaming and stuff so yeah we'll be there awesome awesome so this is

00:05:23.820 confirmed this is the official date then or is it still tentative i've heard no change of the date

00:05:29.400 so we're we're scheduling to be down in calgary for that date we'll probably show up there sunday

00:05:34.180 be there for the monday and then head back to the edmonton area on tuesday six thousand seats what

00:05:39.740 do you think it's going to happen derrick you think we packed house or what it's calgary after

00:05:44.540 all um well first i just want to double check you're not getting an echo because every time

00:05:49.400 i share the screen like this on my stream yard it gets an echo and i know people were talking

00:05:53.280 it sounds good here it sounds good i made sure to activate the echo cancellation let's uh let's go

00:05:59.860 um i think it's going to be great um first off so i spoke with app on um friday night

00:06:07.220 uh just before we went live and they had said that they worried some people were calling it

00:06:11.380 a rally because they were expecting something similar to what we saw in edmonton with the

00:06:15.380 legislature and again the flags and uh basically like a like a fine-tuned speech to get everybody

00:06:22.260 on the road for for independence and while that is the sentiment here they said this is more of

00:06:26.980 just a very large event that was the way they were calling it that they wanted to bring everybody

00:06:31.780 together in calgary it was their first major town hall since april of last year and they they really

00:06:38.580 want to get calgarians and those around the area situated in these 6 000 seats to maybe pass some

00:06:44.900 information on to those who aren't familiarized yet with the benefits of independence in alberta

00:06:49.940 while also bringing in all the rest of us that you know we stand behind it we support it they

00:06:54.340 want to fill all 6 000 seats uh it's my understanding from what i've spoken to with

00:06:59.380 them that they're planning other rallies i know um a major one similar to edmonton towards the end

00:07:05.300 of the signature campaign again get everybody hyped something to celebrate i think that whether

00:07:11.220 or not they're going to be able to collect signatures at this rally is still up in the

00:07:15.700 air to elections alberta they're waiting for the confirmation from that i know that's what they told

00:07:19.540 me um but what's going to be interesting and i keep saying it is that uh once we even hit this

00:07:24.880 rally on the 26th if they've started collecting signatures by this point how many signatures can

00:07:30.460 they get over tom lakazic and how fast can they collect those because don't forget they're

00:07:35.440 collecting these in the dead middle of winter whereas lakazic had the summer he could travel

00:07:39.620 around in his yeah he could he could go around in his little weird communist ice cream truck and get

00:07:44.180 all of his signatures and uh try and get everybody on board so it's going to be really interesting

00:07:49.040 to see um what those numbers look like because keep in mind like he's got 405 000 if app

00:07:56.080 hits around 600 700 800 000 signatures you're going to start turning heads in ottawa but you're

00:08:02.720 also going to have the the gloves come off inside of alberta at that point because it's going to get

00:08:08.000 serious we only have 2.9 million registered voters in the province so if you get 800 000 signatures

00:08:13.280 of people saying we just want to vote i mean that's when it's time to say let's go um that

00:08:18.560 that's when we know the gloves are off and it's serious oh yeah absolutely what do you think matt

00:08:23.440 you're gonna make the trip or what i think i'm gonna fly out for that one i was really uh

00:08:27.360 really depressed that i missed the good one in edmonton but i just couldn't make it for that one

00:08:31.360 but uh yeah i think i'm just gonna do a quick two-day turnaround i'll meet derrick in edmonton

00:08:35.920 and we'll drive out together and i'll make sure i'm there for that one it should be a good time

00:08:40.240 and yes to the chat we should have a tailgate party let's grill some meat some bird of beef yeah

00:08:44.960 heck yeah gotta get it done all right so we're gonna continue in alberta politics this is a

00:08:52.920 topic that i talked about in a video a couple of days ago uh something that uh definitely i

00:08:58.760 definitely support um of danielle smith talking about uh looks like she has finally decided to

00:09:05.400 crack down on the number of immigrants coming into alberta she's go uh she's going about it

00:09:10.140 a different strategy, given the fact that obviously she doesn't have the jurisdiction,

00:09:15.000 its federal jurisdiction, but she's apparently looking to discourage immigrants from wanting

00:09:19.900 to come to Alberta by only giving them benefits after they've been here for a certain amount of

00:09:26.020 time, five years or so. Apparently the UK is already doing that. Not sure if they are, but

00:09:31.880 apparently they're already doing that. And that is something I definitely support is, you know,

00:09:37.640 bring in the good immigrants, the ones that adapt. As an immigrant myself, someone who came

00:09:44.360 here almost two decades ago, you had to bring something to the table. You couldn't just come

00:09:49.320 here saying, okay, what can they give me? You had to be able to provide something to the community,

00:09:55.980 be a benefit to society. And it looks like Danielle Smith is going after that. What do

00:10:03.040 you think about that jason is that something that we should be supporting uh absolutely and i don't

00:10:09.060 think she needed the alberta next panel for her to come to that conclusion or that recommendation

00:10:13.320 and i certainly don't think she needs to do a referendum to ask the people of alberta whether

00:10:17.500 or not should she do this this should be an easy one low-hanging fruit to address actually i think

00:10:22.140 she's been working on this for quite some time though because when she came up with the alberta

00:10:24.940 one id that had citizenship on it it was the first provincial id that had citizenship on it

00:10:30.140 I was curious, like, why would she do that?

00:10:32.240 Why do they need citizenship on it?

00:10:34.340 Unless they were planning to reduce services in the future for non-Canadians.

00:10:37.920 That looks like what they have established here.

00:10:40.040 So their ID is in place already to go ahead and distinguish when you show up for services,

00:10:44.980 whether or not you're a Canadian citizen.

00:10:46.980 And this might be something that's been on her radar for quite some time.

00:10:50.520 I'm just not a fan of waiting through the Alberta next panel to come to this conclusion,

00:10:54.600 or even taking the next step of waiting for a referendum from Albertans to have their say on this particular thing.

00:11:00.140 it's our money we have to prosper and we already know that our system cannot sustain the numbers

00:11:05.340 that ottawa are sending us so this is a good way to discourage people from coming to alberta if

00:11:09.740 their plan is to just live off our social services and not come out here to work because that's who's

00:11:14.700 going to be discouraged by this kind of service or service reduction exactly that i was also it's

00:11:22.620 like why would she make that change on the ids like putting the citizen uh citizenship status

00:11:28.540 on there. But then again, that would make sense if her plan is to discourage immigrants from coming

00:11:36.080 here by reducing the amount of services that they can get or access to said services. What do you

00:11:42.180 think about that, Matt? Is that a good initiative? She's been based all week, this and a couple

00:11:48.160 other things. But also keep in mind that if she does reduce the services, people who are already

00:11:53.820 there will self-deport if they're not getting any more free stuff so it's it's a double win

00:11:59.360 because you don't want them flooding the federal government flooding your province with people who

00:12:03.600 are going to vote in the future and screw things up and start voting in the NDP and all sorts of

00:12:08.120 other things so they can get more free stuff do not redeem do not redeem yeah what's that what's

00:12:19.320 your take on this Derek she's been look I gotta give it to her man and I've been giving it to her

00:12:24.140 she's being uh based this entire week to quote Mark uh Matt here I think uh well first I think

00:12:31.300 Danielle's making the right steps but I agree with Jason that um playing it safe and and kind

00:12:36.340 of pussyfooting around it waiting for everybody's permission to do things well one of the things

00:12:40.500 that I think Albertans really respect about Danielle up until now is that she's always

00:12:44.580 had the stones to kind of be like a Ron DeSantis type and come out and say, here, I'm going to move

00:12:50.100 forward with this. I believe this is the path Albertans want. I wish she would continue to

00:12:55.780 move forward again with the IDs. I think we've taken that first step, the strides. We've always

00:13:00.480 known that Danielle's a bit of a libertarian at heart when it comes to how things operate.

00:13:05.060 And I think that two of the biggest problems that Albertans handle or want handled in this province

00:13:11.460 is affordability and housing.

00:13:13.900 Now, when you look at the immigration,

00:13:15.460 that's the first cause of both.

00:13:17.280 So if you start limiting services

00:13:18.980 and like Matt says, convincing them that,

00:13:20.740 hey, the welfare state's not going to be here,

00:13:22.680 the services aren't going to be here for you guys.

00:13:24.580 It keeps them out and hopefully makes things

00:13:26.920 a lot easier for people to get in and afford.

00:13:29.660 I mean, we're building at rates

00:13:30.860 that are even faster than any other province right now.

00:13:33.960 Jobs are hopefully going to come here.

00:13:35.780 We know that DEI is on its way out in Alberta.

00:13:37.940 A lot of companies don't want to touch that stuff anymore.

00:13:41.000 so hopefully it means better things for albertans but i think danielle's taking a step in the right

00:13:45.640 direction but again just like jason uh yeah just you know uh time to get off the pot and just make

00:13:51.080 it make it happen get it done yeah it goes back to the whole playing it safe which it's such a

00:13:58.680 frustrating thing that conservatives in canada kind of tend to do we don't really have a politician

00:14:05.480 that's like ron de santis to put an example or let alone donald trump that is unapologetically

00:14:12.100 conservative and then they end up losing both their base you end up losing it to a guy who

00:14:18.920 may be a grifter trying to say oh i i will do all of this to your video that you mentioned earlier

00:14:24.880 i will do all of these things that she's not doing and then they lose their base the base splits or

00:14:29.960 and and they'll they'll never get the vote from the opposite side they're not going to get the

00:14:33.960 NDP vote. She's never going to get the union vote, at least not the union bosses vote. So

00:14:40.080 might as well just be, you know, be tough, take a stand before it's popular. We got Corey Morgan

00:14:46.520 here. He talked about it as well. Provinces can't control interprovincial migration, but they can

00:14:52.760 make unproductive immigrants uncomfortable and encourage them to move elsewhere. That's just

00:14:59.640 that yeah i i think that what you run into with danielle is is the biggest issue that she's

00:15:09.580 getting into this point where you look at the alberta next panels it's almost like she's asking

00:15:12.780 for permission from everybody or she wants to please everybody uh like i was always told in

00:15:18.120 business the person who tries to please everyone's a fool uh you're never gonna win right like what

00:15:23.480 you have to do is understand as a leader I already know what the people want I know what people need

00:15:30.500 I know where the problems lie just move forward and uh your base will support you I that's what

00:15:36.780 I'm looking for from her at least anyways I feel like part of the challenge oh go ahead Jason yeah

00:15:42.340 sorry part of the challenge Derek that I've also noticed is not just looking for permission she

00:15:45.940 wants to kind of blame other people for taking that initiative uh the Alberta pension plan for

00:15:50.600 example she could have just with a stroke of a pen started the move to alberta took it out of the

00:15:55.800 canadian pension plan but she then changed the law to put a referendum in front of it which seems

00:16:01.000 like she wants the alberta people to take responsibility for making that decision we're

00:16:04.860 seeing that again here with this particular initiative does she want to be the leader because

00:16:09.520 i i would prefer that she was because that means just take take the move she already has the

00:16:14.460 decision from the alberta next panel it's a recommendation so go ahead and implement it at

00:16:18.980 this stage i think she's heard enough from alberta they came out in droves to provide their

00:16:23.720 comments to her on this particular issue now's the step to just take it no need for a referendum

00:16:28.400 but uh when she was on her show she talked about the referendum in spring summer that comes out of

00:16:33.100 the alberta next panel so she's expecting several questions to be on a referendum and frankly you

00:16:38.580 know she was very honest she says it takes 20 million dollars to do a referendum i think it's

00:16:42.040 20 million dollars wasted because she doesn't need to ask at this stage she knows so i would

00:16:45.660 I'll confer with you on that one, Derek.

00:16:48.100 Yeah, I feel like the provincial,

00:16:49.840 the two main conservative provincial premieres,

00:16:52.220 Daniel Smith and Scott Moe,

00:16:53.320 have something that the federal conservatives don't have

00:16:56.080 because the federal conservatives, in order to win,

00:16:58.760 always have to try and cater to the leftists

00:17:02.100 and the centerists, you know,

00:17:03.440 like the Mega City One people in Ottawa, Toronto,

00:17:05.860 and all that, whereas the provincial premieres,

00:17:08.800 like Scott Moe and Daniel Smith, can just do it.

00:17:11.360 Do the things that we're electing you to do

00:17:13.540 as your conservative constituents and base get after it don't ask just do it

00:17:18.260 yep i would be i'm one of those people that have been calling for her to just start doing the

00:17:24.660 things she was elected on a sovereignty obviously she throws in there within a united canada but

00:17:30.580 still you were elected on a sovereignty platform start making us more sovereign while we're in

00:17:36.740 Canada. Start taking the steps. Get the police, you know, get the Alberta police implemented.

00:17:43.680 Start working on the pension plan. Start working on some sort of Alberta revenue office and start

00:17:49.340 moving forward on that. And I think your base will thank you for that. And what you don't want to

00:17:54.400 lose is your base. Like if you lose the other side, I mean, you already don't have them. And

00:17:59.560 then at least the middle ground, the people who are in the middle sitting on the fence,

00:18:03.920 they'll respect the fact that you keep your word and your base will be so energized that we'll be

00:18:08.640 out there campaigning for you your campaign will be the most efficient one in the world because

00:18:12.800 we will be motivated to make sure that we keep you in power you know what and i see a comment

00:18:19.260 here uh from gs and in your your comments that is a very very valid point uh the the left are

00:18:26.400 always criticized but one thing i'll give them is they're always very well organized and they know

00:18:32.160 how to strike. Um, he's pointed out here, the NDP won't be holding referendums on leftist policies.

00:18:37.040 They just move forward. And that's the problem is that when the conservatives don't do it,

00:18:40.840 it really makes them look weak. They've got to start standing up and just saying,

00:18:44.360 we know the path forward. This is what we were elected on. Um, I mean, Danielle run,

00:18:49.220 or she ran, sorry, on, um, the idea of a pension plan on the idea of getting rid of the RCMP.

00:18:55.660 So you already have the mandate for it. It's time to just move forward and do the job you

00:19:00.660 were elected to do uh or i hate to say it but it's already causing a rift in the ucp uh you're

00:19:06.760 going to see her base start to walk away and it's going to start costing her the closer we get to an

00:19:10.780 election and let's uh remind everybody here there's nothing radical here at all like the alberta next

00:19:17.340 panel could have been called let's be more like quebec panel because everything that we've listed

00:19:21.620 here is already in place in quebec there's nothing radical here she's not breaking ground she's kind

00:19:26.040 of just following in second place like let's get this done you know it works for quebec they're

00:19:30.020 able to have a lot more sovereignty within a united canada with these kind of policies in place

00:19:33.920 so let's just go ahead and get this done you know all the provinces are supposed to have that much

00:19:38.700 sovereignty it's literally the way they were designed and it's been so long since any of the

00:19:43.620 provinces have exercised their authority to tell the feds to kick rocks that when you know danielle

00:19:48.880 does it people are like oh you can't do that like of course she can like that's literally what she's

00:19:53.260 supposed to do she's elected as the premier of alberta she's supposed to be fighting for alberta

00:19:58.260 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And you already got the leftist talking heads already criticizing her for even bringing it up, for even proposing potentially taking more more of more power and bringing it back to Alberta.

00:20:13.120 You got one of the radio guys here, the local radio guy saying,

00:20:18.540 Premier Daniel Smith musing about new immigration reform,

00:20:21.720 such as preventing newcomers from accessing local social programs

00:20:26.300 like public health care or bringing their children over

00:20:28.860 until they've been taxpayers for as many as 10 years.

00:20:33.280 So we go back to the point of you're never going to win the leftover.

00:20:38.440 They're never going to vote for you.

00:20:40.160 So why would you try to please them and play the middle

00:20:43.220 and be like lukewarm and not be all the way in, you know?

00:20:48.120 Everything that guy just said, it's like, I'm already sold.

00:20:50.320 You don't have to sell it to me.

00:20:53.840 Exactly.

00:20:55.260 Exactly.

00:20:56.380 Now, I'm sure Courtney there, if they really wanted to,

00:20:58.540 they could open their door and house a few of these immigrants

00:21:00.720 and go ahead and supply the food and services that they're looking for

00:21:03.640 and not on the public goal.

00:21:05.880 But I even seen immigrants at the Upward Next panel

00:21:09.780 who said listen I shouldn't expect this when I come here I would be prepared to buy health

00:21:14.840 insurance in order to get health care I would prepare to buy into these because I haven't earned

00:21:19.560 it yet and I'm coming to this country first for the first time and then we heard the other side

00:21:24.120 who literally said no not only do I expect this to be free I want you to give me a house without

00:21:28.040 work I was like wow so you saw both sides of that conversation and I have to say I align with any

00:21:33.400 hard-working immigrant that wants to come here and I like the idea of buying a public health

00:21:38.100 insurance in order to get into the system, not receiving it for free at this stage.

00:21:42.800 I pretty much agree. It makes a lot of sense.

00:21:44.880 When you're born here and you start working when you're 16, you're starting to pay taxes

00:21:48.040 into the system. So by the time you're 25-year-old and you start actually needing healthcare a lot

00:21:52.960 more frequently or older even, and then your kids start coming in the system, you've already been

00:21:57.100 paying into the system. If you just airdrop here at 45 years old with a type 2 diabetes and then

00:22:02.920 bring your grandpa over who's practically dead and you're going to spend the whole rest of his

00:22:06.140 existence in the system neither one of you have paid into and now repeat that add like you know

00:22:11.360 100,000 200,000 however many people they bring like that's just purely draining the system it's

00:22:17.040 non-sustainable you can't keep that up that's why the debt just keeps going up and up and speaking

00:22:22.480 of debt and unfairness towards the west the equalization numbers are published for the

00:22:28.420 upcoming year and it looks like Alberta and Saskatchewan are still getting screwed by eastern

00:22:32.580 canada nothing has changed except for manitoba getting even more money now probably because they

00:22:38.180 have an ndp government uh for those of you south of the border who may not know what equalization

00:22:43.060 is it's basically institutionalized wealth redistribution communism with extra steps

00:22:49.700 the government takes from productive provinces like alberta and saskatchewan and gives it to

00:22:54.660 the unproductive ones out east so this is what's happening we got premier scott mo complaining

00:23:01.220 about it already uh you know his province is getting a big fat zero so is alberta so is british

00:23:08.260 columbia uh yeah and this continues to happen this is one of the biggest uh reasons for alberta

00:23:14.100 independence right there it's just so obvious that we are a colony this here is a colony for this

00:23:21.060 over here it doesn't get more visual than that what do you make of that matt what do you make of

00:23:26.660 the continuing subsidization or subsidizing over the east did you watch on uh wednesday

00:23:34.260 so i pointed out also that because they base these equalization payments on how much uh that

00:23:41.380 province generates in income versus how much the other provinces generate in income and apparently

00:23:46.420 quebec which has a lot of hydroelectric power that they sell to the states doesn't have to include

00:23:51.380 that in their statements for their equalization so they're one of their biggest money makers they

00:23:59.000 don't have to count that so imagine if alberta just said oh we're not going to count our oil

00:24:02.900 and gas as our part of our equalization so like how's that fair i don't even know how that makes

00:24:08.760 sense and i don't know how they're getting away with it sneaky and the reason why the west feels

00:24:13.060 so unrepresentative so if you look at this picture that uh pj has up right now of the provinces that

00:24:18.580 are not receiving money thus generating it versus the province that are getting money um if you want

00:24:25.060 to pull up the image i've got shared pj you can do that yeah it's right there um it's right there

00:24:31.060 it's on the screen is it yeah it is hold on i pulled up i pulled up a shared image there can

00:24:36.980 you uh oh oh you're sharing one oh hold on yes yes let me add it to the hold on so there you go

00:24:42.580 50% of the entire population of Canada lives in that little red dot right there.

00:24:47.920 50% of our whole country.

00:24:49.580 And thus, the majority of the seats in our parliamentary seat system government are in that spot.

00:24:54.720 So when we go to vote for our federal politics, that little red spot decides for the entire rest of the country.

00:25:02.800 So, of course, the West feels alienated because all the people who live in there, that's basically all one big city.

00:25:07.660 like you've got ottawa toronto montreal quebec city and all their suburbs in that spot and you

00:25:14.060 just you could drive through that whole thing and never see country it's all human sandwiched into

00:25:18.300 there um and of course people who live in giant urban centers don't think and don't vote like

00:25:24.700 people who you know have to work on an oil rig or on a farm for a living oh yeah so that's why

00:25:31.340 for you american viewers and anybody else the west has feels completely rejected and unrepresented

00:25:37.580 while they're leeching all the money away but we don't have any say in federal politics because

00:25:41.820 those people decide everything oh we also don't have any representatives in the senate we don't

00:25:46.940 have any voting power again as to who runs the country uh there's a million other different

00:25:50.860 reasons did you guys see nova scotia was complaining this week as well about how

00:25:54.140 much equalization they're getting from alberta like they said that they're they're getting a

00:25:58.220 couple uh billion dollars but they're not happy with they wish it was just a little bit more like

00:26:03.580 i don't understand why it's alberta's job to make sure the rest of the country is looked after

00:26:09.820 and something else that this particular infographic shows is how oppressed the

00:26:13.660 provinces actually are because if each province was able to get to its full potential they

00:26:18.220 wouldn't need these kind of transfer payments because this is provincial welfare from the

00:26:22.220 haves to the have-nots and also the delegation that certain provinces are have-nots that's also

00:26:26.940 a way to suppress in like a society that is socialist you actually are told you don't have

00:26:31.500 that much so if any of these provinces want to balance their budgets and actually be prosperous

00:26:36.140 the regulations out of ottawa this is a representation of how much there actually is

00:26:40.540 nova scotia should be doing far better there's lots of oils and oil and gas out east as well

00:26:44.940 you got hydroelectric where they could be making a lot more money and uh and also do some more uh

00:26:49.980 natural gas extraction in quebec ontario could be doing far better but they're also held back in

00:26:55.260 many different ways this map also shows you how much regulations are in place that actually hold

00:26:59.340 back to provinces they show everybody should be very very wealthy here in canada but we don't

00:27:04.140 allow that through ottawa yeah and the biggest uh the biggest parasite basically in this whole thing

00:27:12.780 i'm gonna use the word parasite i was gonna i was gonna correct myself and be like you know what

00:27:17.500 because a parasite is it's this organism that just takes right and then you have this giant

00:27:25.340 freaking landmass right here collecting 14 billion dollars while complaining the whole time

00:27:33.900 it's not like they're thankful it's not like they're like you know what uh we got to send a

00:27:38.620 mercy note to the west we we got to be more friendly towards them no the most hostile uh

00:27:45.980 landmass the most hostile territory in canada towards western energy and western development

00:27:51.580 in general is this right here is quebec like you propose a pipeline uh it's not going through quebec

00:27:59.340 you propose a pipeline to the west coast it shouldn't go to the west coast didn't their

00:28:04.060 premier specifically call alberta energy dirty and gross or something yep i've been doing that

00:28:09.500 for a long time but i i do want to highlight here pj that it's really the political class that's

00:28:14.380 doing that the people of quebec are actually pretty good people it's the political class

00:28:18.620 federal and provincial that's been doing that and that's by design of quebec sorry the institution

00:28:23.740 yeah yeah yeah and that's and that's by design because how do you stop all the provinces coming

00:28:29.340 together to do something like a constitutional convention and change the whole deal well they

00:28:33.420 all come together and collaborate so one way to make sure that doesn't happen is you have them

00:28:37.100 fighting each other and going at it all the time this is a political class thing that you're seeing

00:28:41.820 happen because i've been to quebec many times and they're good people there and there are kind of

00:28:45.900 suppressed by their government as well there's a lot of corruption on the federal provincial level

00:28:50.060 in quebec and uh yeah they're not they're not prospering the way they could if they didn't have

00:28:55.020 that federal level and uh they actually got rid of some of the corruption on provincial level

00:28:59.100 so that narrative that you hear is correct but it's the political class doing that not the actual

00:29:03.100 people yeah yeah i should have been more specific on that it is not it's not the people of quebec

00:29:08.620 it's the institution the the institutionalization of you know the whole thing the government and

00:29:14.620 speaking of government while we're on the quebec subject i talked about this on uh fringes channel

00:29:20.220 on one when i was there live uh what do you make of the pq jason the pq the party quebecois they're

00:29:27.900 polling ahead they're probably going to win next year and they're proposing referendum and they

00:29:33.180 actually their leader uh uh saint-pierre plamondon paul saint-pierre plamondon he stated that he

00:29:40.620 supports Alberta's

00:29:42.600 self-determination and supports

00:29:44.720 an Alberta referendum. What do you make of that?

00:29:46.540 I think you had a conversation with them.

00:29:48.740 Well, what's going on there at first was a

00:29:50.660 surprise to a lot of people this year. They didn't see

00:29:52.700 that they were going to come and hit up the polls that fast.

00:29:54.960 They won three by-elections in a row,

00:29:56.900 which was a surprise to everybody,

00:29:58.420 which kind of shows the support of the Quebec people.

00:30:01.160 They're fed up with their

00:30:02.540 current provincial government and the federal

00:30:04.400 representation. They're tired of it.

00:30:06.360 They're not even happy with the Bloc Quebecois. We saw them

00:30:08.560 take a hit in the last election as well.

00:30:10.620 Quebec people are ready to start taking the matters into their own hands.

00:30:14.560 So self-determination has become a very hot topic there.

00:30:17.820 And I think what we'll see in the 2026 election in Quebec is basically the referendum on independence.

00:30:23.140 If the party quebec wins a majority there, that's the next step is a referendum.

00:30:28.240 And I think if Quebec gives them a majority, knowing that they're coming up with a referendum as the next step, that's basically a foregone conclusion.

00:30:35.060 Quebec may look at independence and be far more ready than even Alberta is at that stage to get it done.

00:30:40.620 I read an article from the National Post about the potential for them just de facto, like declaring unilaterally. I mean, they're already drafting a constitution. So that's the thing. They just do the things. That's what I do admire about the Quebec people when it comes to pursuing their sovereignty. They just do the stuff and it's like, come at us.

00:31:02.920 yeah they're already positioned right they already got their own pension plan police force taxes like

00:31:08.620 they already have a lot of things in place where it really wouldn't be that difficult for them to

00:31:12.160 just take the next step and it might be a good template for Alberta because if we're not

00:31:17.080 successful on this referendum or we have difficulties with the current party in power

00:31:20.920 this is what Quebec did they basically voted in a separatist party in order to get the job done

00:31:26.020 but that might become a template in the future for Saskatchewan and Alberta if the current path

00:31:30.720 we're on doesn't succeed we may look at a different way to get things done and the separatist party

00:31:35.440 might be in the future for saskatchewan even bc and alberta at some point i was you guys want to

00:31:42.640 chime in on what it comes to oh you go ahead matt i was this year years old when i learned that the

00:31:48.080 provincial quebec party and the bloc quebecois were two different things shout out marika for

00:31:52.800 educating me on that but um yeah like i didn't know that so that's kind of cool that they're

00:31:58.480 just pushing ahead because the federal block they have their seats and their jobs their pensions the

00:32:04.000 same thing all the other guys are after at a federal level they just want to ride their eight

00:32:07.600 years or however long it takes to get to their pension and shriek in the house of commons and

00:32:11.600 get their backroom deals and go home um so i'm really happy for the people of quebec that they

00:32:16.400 can hopefully push through this uh provincial level party and just separate and then all the

00:32:20.800 people who are in the block right now can just go home and cry into their pensions

00:32:24.480 i'd like to throw one more thing on the table here if quebec is successful that's a large

00:32:31.280 number of block and liberal seats that leave the house of commons it'll be difficult for the

00:32:35.120 liberals to get a majority after that so that might be a path for canada's future it's losing

00:32:40.960 quebec's votes out of the house of commons and the senators and the supreme court justices might

00:32:46.800 provide a new canada that many people will be happy with you want to chime in uh french

00:32:54.480 Well, I mean, I think it's basically already been said. I mean, I think that what we're seeing here is that it's not just Alberta, it's many provinces in this country that are deciding the ship can't be right or fixed or on its proper course in the direction that we're currently heading.

00:33:12.940 we have a government that spends ruthlessly only thinking about their contracts, their conflicts

00:33:17.660 of interest, their money that's going into their Brookfield investments and everything like that,

00:33:24.460 the provinces have had enough. Alberta said enough, Saskatchewan has said enough,

00:33:29.100 Quebec has certainly said enough. Once one falls, it's almost like a domino effect. It doesn't

00:33:34.060 matter which province goes first, you're going to see the others follow. There's no way to stop

00:33:39.900 the hemorrhaging at that point if alberta and saskatchewan are serious about leaving if they

00:33:44.380 get their feet in the ground and start showing positive numbers again this is where i said at

00:33:48.540 the beginning the amount of signatures app is going to collect from january into april is going

00:33:53.900 to be very telling of where alberta stands we're going to have statistics to write against tom

00:33:58.780 lakay's expedition i think what it's going to do is start painting a picture of what a western

00:34:03.580 alliance could possibly look like or a future canada that doesn't involve alberta or saskatchewan

00:34:08.620 as a part of it, you would see British Columbia immediately start to have to fall suit with Alberta

00:34:13.680 because they're not going to ship their things through our provinces and have to come up with

00:34:17.840 new trade deals. The pressure would be too much at one point. The people of those provinces would

00:34:23.000 start to see the benefits. Albertans and those in Saskatchewan are getting that. They'd start

00:34:27.020 saying, maybe it's time for us to go too. We can't keep doing this. The woke virtue signaling

00:34:33.140 would have to come to an end the power for those parties the ndps the liberals would start to wane

00:34:39.940 because their talking points no longer hold any value you know you would see look at look at wab

00:34:45.540 canoe in manitoba like even though he's ndp he wants lines made out to churchill they want some

00:34:50.900 of this pie as well and if mark carney's not going to give it to them then they might start saying

00:34:55.380 hey you know what if we want to start making some money these transfer payments will be gone

00:34:58.820 if alberta leaves maybe we get on board and move out with them as well you never know where it

00:35:04.100 could go at this point i mean what we're seeing in real time is that the federal government

00:35:09.540 has pushed the values of canadians aside for too long that their corruption has shown full

00:35:15.460 force what it is they're here to do they're running it as another business another corporation

00:35:19.940 and uh it looks like at least western canada is a little bit smarter than that and uh well

00:35:26.180 we're packing our bags it's time to go are you saying we shouldn't be sending millions of dollars

00:35:30.340 for gender just rice to vietnam and women farmers in uganda that's racist i mean are you how dare you

00:35:40.820 oh man the balkanization of canada and i take no pleasure in saying this because it really is a

00:35:45.780 shame what's happened particularly over the past decade trudeau really did a number on this country

00:35:51.700 he surpassed his father because i've been reading this books uh from professor michael wagner he

00:35:57.700 taught there's one that's time to leave and trudeau really wanted to destroy the west like he hated

00:36:05.060 like you could tell the guy hated the west uh peter law he'd had a real hard time not punching

00:36:10.660 him in the face because i'm telling you man uh and then trudeau jr comes in and in a decade he

00:36:17.380 destroys what has taken well over a century to build um canadian national identity is at an

00:36:26.020 all-time low and we're witnessing the literal balkanization of canada in real time just by

00:36:32.980 inertia by like the sheer forces of economics and stuff i think the west is going to eventually find

00:36:38.660 a way to leave i just it's just a matter of who lives first does quebec because they do have an

00:36:43.620 identity to your point jason they do the quebec people they have an identity and they're very proud

00:36:50.100 they have a national identity that when trudeau said ah we're a post-national they rejected that

00:36:56.260 statement the most and they've gone back to their roots and uh they're gonna do it because of

00:37:03.460 culture because of language because of history and the west is gonna also because of history but

00:37:08.980 to a lesser extent i think mostly because of fiscal reasons

00:37:15.460 in the end the math doesn't lie you can put tampons in men's bathrooms and talk about

00:37:20.260 climate change and gender and whatever the hell else you want in the end when people start getting

00:37:25.540 it gets really bad and people really can't afford to live which is i mean we're probably some for

00:37:30.500 some people it's already true and we're a lot of the rest of us are on the cusp when it gets really

00:37:34.820 bad the math doesn't lie you can't eat gender just rice in vietnam in canada oh yeah yeah we have so

00:37:43.000 we were talking about saskatchewan also wanting to leave now and they officially have a movement

00:37:49.180 the cbc was begrudgingly forced to report on this saskatchewan groups seeking independence

00:37:56.340 from canada holding meetings across the province so they have the saskatchewan prosperity project

00:38:01.380 and they're holding app style town halls in the middle of the winter people are showing up

00:38:08.580 and yeah they're out there they they're also the rest they also have a movement many of us

00:38:15.040 believe that if alberta left it doesn't take very long for saskatchewan to follow what do you guys

00:38:21.420 think i think they're doing a great job getting things together there was a couple attempts before

00:38:27.320 this particular group,

00:38:28.880 the Saskatchewan Prosperity Project.

00:38:31.120 There was a unity project

00:38:32.520 or something like that.

00:38:33.620 But I think they've gotten

00:38:34.780 things into order

00:38:35.820 and they're seeing

00:38:36.260 what's happening out here in Alberta.

00:38:37.960 The town halls are the ways to go

00:38:39.480 to have conversations.

00:38:41.380 And it's nice to see,

00:38:42.800 quite frankly.

00:38:43.440 I like to see democracy happen.

00:38:45.340 I like to see the people's voice

00:38:46.280 come forward

00:38:46.800 and I like to see education happen.

00:38:48.380 So it's a very good initiative.

00:38:50.260 I'll be having the president of that

00:38:52.560 on my show after Christmas

00:38:53.980 to have a conversation

00:38:54.920 and to encourage him to keep going.

00:38:56.720 i think what they're doing here is good yeah i got to support them i think it'd be interesting to

00:39:02.800 see if like saskatchewan and alberta and quebec go like how pieced up the country is like you know

00:39:08.720 you get the maritimes on the other side of quebec and then you got ontario and manitoba and then

00:39:13.120 you got saskatchewan and alberta and then you got bc on the other side it would be really weird

00:39:17.120 and i feel like all of a sudden the country would be split into all these little pieces

00:39:20.560 and then people would have to like realign you would almost get like a new confederation

00:39:24.720 and I feel like Manitoba because the Canadian shield is in between them and the rest of it

00:39:29.100 would have no choice but to join the west and I've been saying for 10 years Alberta Saskatchewan

00:39:35.040 should be building rail lines and pipelines to Churchill it's a deep water port and you know

00:39:39.120 everybody's shrieking about climate change or whatever but you know Russia and China are 10

00:39:42.480 years ahead of us on exploiting the fact that the ice is less in the north they're running ships up

00:39:47.000 there all the time they're building ice breakers and ice capable tankers and cargo ships like we

00:39:51.700 should be doing the same as an arctic nation like most of our territory is arctic like why aren't

00:39:56.420 we doing stuff who knows how much other unexplored assets are up there because we're not doing that

00:40:01.920 either oh yeah it's a big part of our sovereignty and our north is basically desolate when it comes

00:40:09.240 to the fence if it wasn't for norad they'd probably be speaking mandarin up there right now

00:40:14.200 all right well i uh i'm gonna show you guys a picture here that i definitely like and that's

00:40:23.520 gonna segue that's gonna bring us into our next subject so this is the picture

00:40:28.880 oh definitely like this picture right here it's a moment of unity uh between two proud albertans

00:40:38.060 You got Marty up north, and you got Jason Levine.

00:40:42.380 And the tweet goes, we have our differences, Jason Levine and I,

00:40:46.760 but Alberta independence is a common goal,

00:40:49.240 and we can set those differences aside to reach that objective.

00:40:54.680 And Jason said, always a pleasure, Marty.

00:40:57.020 It was great to run into you again and happy to stand shoulder to shoulder

00:41:00.300 with you in this fight for our children's future.

00:41:03.740 So I want to talk about unity. I want to talk about the importance of uniting in this movement. Like with any political movement, we always run the risk of fracturing and division. And I saw that photo. It was refreshing to see considering recent tensions between certain individuals in the movement.

00:41:22.940 what are your thoughts what's your thoughts on the importance of uniting trying to stay together

00:41:30.340 laser focused because the NDP is like sharks in the water right now they're smelling blood

00:41:35.720 because there's slap fights I just watch Fringe's video very very necessary those of you trying to

00:41:42.980 stay updated on the Alberta independence movement definitely go check out unacceptable Fringe's

00:41:47.180 latest video I 100% agree with what he said we need to stay focused and if we have an issue with

00:41:52.460 someone let's dm them let's not uh give the ndp any more ammunition who's going first well let me

00:41:59.980 jump in on there seeing how my mug was in there uh martin and i get along actually quite well

00:42:04.320 uh on many many issues uh the only place where we kind of are different would be the federal

00:42:09.620 uh political level i ran for the ppc he was supporting the cpc that was about it other than

00:42:16.420 that and the height difference we have a lot in common uh and i really do like marty's work

00:42:21.680 He has a different tactic when it comes to the public and expressing his frustration than I do.

00:42:26.980 But those are all superficial things.

00:42:28.900 When it comes down to what we're actually fighting for, we align quite well.

00:42:32.460 And I kind of agree with you that we need to see some more of this, put everything beside and behind us and get to work because we actually have a hard job.

00:42:40.800 Can you imagine a tug of war where one side is actually fighting amongst themselves while they're trying to pull that rope and trying to get the job done?

00:42:47.920 I really think that would be a very ineffective way to get things done.

00:42:51.200 A squid game would look a lot different if that's what happened.

00:42:54.920 But what you saw there is they all got bunkered down, shared some tactics, shared some ideas.

00:42:59.840 And even the smaller group ended up winning because they were able to work together and pull that rope.

00:43:04.500 And unfortunately, to the death of the other group.

00:43:06.740 But the whole point is, can you imagine a tug of war when you're all fighting each other on one side?

00:43:10.460 It wouldn't work.

00:43:12.000 Well, in the independence movement, we have a ton of enemies and more enemies are going to come out of the woodwork.

00:43:17.540 not only do we have the alberta ndp we also have the federal liberals we have the political class

00:43:23.420 who don't want to lose their pensions to matt to matt's point we got the corporate media paid by

00:43:28.700 said people that i just mentioned you're going to have international groups like greenpeace and

00:43:34.560 and the un and the wef those are the people that are going to come later when they realize oh crap

00:43:41.720 the west in canada has real support for separating you're going to have all kinds there's going to

00:43:48.460 be operatives within within the movement there's going to be people trying to create

00:43:54.280 situations so we need to avoid at all costs the infighting because we need to be pulling like

00:44:00.900 there's not a ton of us so we need to pull the rope in the same direction like jason just said

00:44:05.620 it's it's really weird how it works because i know keith wilson very well i've known him since

00:44:13.880 the freedom convoy days i i know uh jeff wrath quite well over the last i've talked with him

00:44:19.360 almost every week for the last i don't know six months i mean he's a really nice guy i consider

00:44:23.780 him a friend um the purpose of today's video really wasn't to pick a side with either of them

00:44:29.040 it was just mostly to say that look um a lot of people online like what people forget like like

00:44:34.340 jeff or keith or myself sometimes is that when you're on platforms even like this with this

00:44:39.000 channel you have influence over how people are feeling and uh their perception as to how things

00:44:44.340 are working and when you get into these internet slap fights where you know and i'm not going to

00:44:49.100 say anybody's right or wrong but when jeff wants to barrel down on whatever danielle's doing and

00:44:53.900 then keith comes to the aid to say hey look uh are we talking about independence here or what

00:44:58.820 are we getting on to the biggest problem is is much of what you see in that slap fight if you

00:45:03.620 go through the threads is people start saying, hey, I thought we were all on the same side. I

00:45:07.380 thought we were all looking for independence. And Jeff will chime in and say, hey, we're just

00:45:11.920 having a disagreement. Relax. But the problem is, is that while two lawyers may often argue like

00:45:17.780 this in private or behind closed doors when they're standing outside of a courtroom,

00:45:23.240 when people in an independence movement are following them as their guiding light to

00:45:29.540 information, to the heading for independence. When we see the infighting, it creates a divide.

00:45:37.220 And this is where I say, like, if it's just a conversation, boys, message each other in private,

00:45:42.080 you know, say, hey, I didn't like what you said over here. Let's talk about it. Instead of starting

00:45:47.000 these huge issues online, you now have Jeff Rath fighting with Keith Wilson. You've got Cam Davies

00:45:52.060 joining in. You've got Corey Morgan jumping into the frame. I mean, Corey's got an amazing book,

00:45:56.580 the Sovereignist's Handbook. I think anybody who's focused on independence should go get a

00:46:00.360 copy and read that. A lot of good information in there. But you've got all these pillars of

00:46:05.940 the community, we'll say, that are leading the charge on independence that are now infighting

00:46:09.860 with each other and giving a bad example to those who just need to focus on getting the signatures

00:46:15.100 and getting the vote. It's kind of like mountain climbing. You know, you all link your ropes

00:46:19.380 together, like Jason was saying with the tug of war. If one falls, we all fall. And this is going

00:46:24.040 to disrupt the vote for independence it's going to either put the ndp in power um or or cause a

00:46:30.500 very narrow win for danielle smith and the ucp if we go to an election uh we even if referendum

00:46:37.000 votes fail folks we want our chance at another crack at it if the ndp get in say goodbye to all

00:46:43.180 of that they'll get rid of everything everything you'll never see it again oh yeah so the guy

00:46:49.380 What's the guy's name who's starting the other party?

00:46:52.260 I can't remember.

00:46:53.520 Cam Davies?

00:46:55.100 Peter Guthrie.

00:46:57.420 This is as an outsider

00:46:59.920 looking in who doesn't know all the names

00:47:01.400 off the top of his head.

00:47:03.160 Bear with me.

00:47:04.140 You guys used to have regular conservatives

00:47:07.660 and you had the Wild Rose Party

00:47:09.720 and Danielle

00:47:11.140 took the Wild Rose Party

00:47:13.620 and merged it, creating the

00:47:15.500 United Conservative Party because they were sick

00:47:17.600 of getting these narrow losses to the ndp by splitting the vote on the right so this other

00:47:23.360 guy wants to start another party to try and cater to the moderates and the left sort of and do it

00:47:29.600 again and take like three to five percent of the ucp vote with him if he's lucky but that'll be

00:47:34.800 just enough to let the ndp win and if the ndp wins it's over right so why no just stop just stop

00:47:43.600 the problem i say in all those parties is that what people don't realize is they often get

00:47:48.660 somebody who's going to stand out front and say i'm the leader but the people controlling these

00:47:52.980 things behind closed doors are often just old dinosaurs from old parties that say hey you know

00:47:57.880 what let's take these rules and move them over here maybe we get a seat or two we slowly build

00:48:02.140 our ranks um all they really want to do is stay in the legislature and get their pay um i believe

00:48:07.820 guthrie was ousted by the ucp um so i mean this is just his attempt to try and hold on to his seat

00:48:13.580 and convince people that hey guess what if you don't like danielle smith we're conservative light

00:48:17.660 they might as well slap liberals all over their party name because that's essentially what they

00:48:21.100 are at the end of the day well that's what happened to fed the feds for the last few years

00:48:24.780 because they're always catering to try and win some of those seats in the east and it never

00:48:29.980 works for them and they narrowly lose you just go hard to your base and don't i'm sorry i'm trying

00:48:36.060 not to swear on your streaming shadow ban too go for it man don't matter i'm already shadow banned

00:48:43.580 so what I'm saying though is like you can't keep trying to cater to people who hate you and don't

00:48:49.480 want to vote for you anyways and to address some of the people in the chat we're done with federal

00:48:53.700 politics we don't care what Pierre does I mean at least for me anyways and Derek because I don't

00:48:57.480 care we don't care what the federal PPC does I like Max as a person I think he's great I met him

00:49:03.640 a few times but we don't care what they do now the objective is Alberta and as a greater consensus

00:49:09.420 if we can, western sovereignty. We'll never win. I remember when I shared earlier how our seat

00:49:14.900 system works and how that little tiny dot controls everything. We will never get ahead under this

00:49:19.660 system. I'm done with federal politics. They can go do what they want. And I kind of take a slightly

00:49:25.940 different approach. I don't think he's going to harm the UCP at all, Peter Gunther with his new

00:49:29.660 party, because it's a liberal party. It's going to attract moderate liberals and people who are

00:49:34.560 tired of the radical NDP, frankly. If you look at the platform, because it was the Alberta party,

00:49:39.240 if you look at the platform it's very progressive sustainability diversity it's all over the website

00:49:44.200 i actually think he's going to maybe split the vote for the ndp because there's no strong liberal

00:49:49.020 party in alberta because they kind of merged with the ndp he may start creating a new liberal party

00:49:54.760 at alberta he's teaming up with thomas lusakic which couldn't be more liberal and he's actually

00:50:00.140 thomas was supporting and endorsing an ndp uh candidate i don't i'm not concerned there's

00:50:06.000 nobody in the rural Alberta that's going to vote for that party. They know who Peter is. They

00:50:10.420 understand what he's up to. So he might actually be competing within the cities. And I'm quite

00:50:14.800 frankly, I'm happy if NDP start losing seats to another party, because that'll actually strengthen

00:50:20.000 the UCP position. So I have a different approach on that. Because if you actually look at his

00:50:25.000 platform, he is absolutely, he wanted to use the term progressive conservative, which is an

00:50:29.840 oxymoron. There's no such thing. Either you're conservative or you're progressive. So he went

00:50:34.440 with progressive Tory.

00:50:36.300 The Tory thing is not going to work.

00:50:38.180 He's not going to attract anybody from the UCP,

00:50:40.280 in my mind. There's nobody that's going to vote

00:50:42.360 for him from the UCP party.

00:50:44.080 He may split up the NDP vote, so I say

00:50:46.240 go for it.

00:50:47.360 Let him do it.

00:50:50.420 I don't know the players well enough.

00:50:52.660 Yeah, let's take some super chats

00:50:54.400 here. Let's just bring

00:50:56.420 him on, and whoever wants to jump

00:50:58.380 on him, feel free, or we all jump on him.

00:51:01.080 This one is from

00:51:01.900 Carol Elizabeth

00:51:04.240 Elizabeth 92 93. Thank you so much, Carol. Appreciate it. My son asked me a question. I

00:51:09.720 did not know how to answer. Do we have to take on some of Canada's debt? If so, how much? I'm

00:51:15.500 trying to educate him on this. Okay, so I can tackle that one a bit. Yeah, I can tackle that

00:51:23.860 one a little bit. First is a CPP that we're owed. We're owed somewhere probably around 350 billion

00:51:29.640 dollars and then the Canadian national debt is the Canadian national debt it's never been split up

00:51:34.580 amongst provinces now during the conversation and negotiation when we get to that stage through the

00:51:40.280 clarity act they may sit down and say take 10 of the debt with you if we got to the position where

00:51:46.140 that was the only straw left we would take it and then we could pay that off pretty pretty quickly

00:51:51.100 it would be a very prosperous nation now of course we would fight against it because we're actually

00:51:55.080 owed and we overpaid into the Canadian system as a whole. But that's going to be part of the

00:52:00.260 good faith negotiation when we get to that stage. And just like a divorce, when you get to the stage

00:52:05.280 of, well, who's taking what debt with them, the marriage is over. You're now just working out the

00:52:09.520 weeds. So I'm not even worried about that particular portion of the conversation. If we have to take

00:52:14.640 10% of the debt with us as part of the agreement to do it on consent, it would be fine. We'd be

00:52:19.920 able to pay that off. But I think there'll be lots of conversation around what we overpaid

00:52:23.760 and whether or not we credit towards that debt as well.

00:52:27.620 Yeah, and people got to remember too

00:52:28.940 that 10% of the debt also goes into

00:52:30.660 our federal parks have to be negotiated.

00:52:32.700 Things like Banff, Kananaskis areas,

00:52:35.880 things like that, Jasper.

00:52:37.660 When we get into military bases,

00:52:40.040 all that stuff, it all has to be negotiated.

00:52:42.180 So that could be part of that 10% as well.

00:52:44.740 The easiest way is how Jason really put it

00:52:46.980 is it's like getting a divorce.

00:52:48.880 You know, you put all your assets on the table

00:52:50.480 and you start dividing up who's taking what.

00:52:52.580 But I'll tell you, Alberta, out of everyone else in this country, Alberta is holding the cards.

00:52:57.560 So I don't see those who go to negotiate in good faith alongside the provincial government when that comes to fruition.

00:53:04.160 I don't see anybody bending over and just taking a never, never deal in order to just get the nod for independence.

00:53:09.820 I think that we know what we hold. We know what the numbers are.

00:53:14.280 They've been heavily crunched. So I think we're in a good position.

00:53:17.580 Once you're in charge of your own resources and you can negotiate to sell them and exploit them without having to beg for permission to build your pipelines or without having the profits of your resource extraction siphoned off to Quebec, you'll be able to, even if you have to eat 10% of the debt, just like, fuck it, give me that 10%, go away.

00:53:38.920 bring it on and one of the things people forget at least on the canadian side of things is there

00:53:44.420 will be a negotiated trade corridor between bc and the east where most of the product is moved

00:53:50.360 from the bc coast all the way to the east that will go through alberta so they're going to want

00:53:55.540 a free trade trade corridor that actually allows them to move their products or there'll be a lot

00:54:01.340 of leverage on alberta so i really think it's going to go a lot smoother than a lot of people

00:54:04.820 are painting the picture of because we all have things that we want to get done and at the end of

00:54:08.600 the day uh product needs to be moving all over this country and some of it goes through quite

00:54:13.040 a bit of it goes through alberta as it is so that trade corridor will be very important to

00:54:17.100 ottawa i keep waiting for derek to bust out the trump voice we're gonna build a wall

00:54:20.940 we're gonna build a wall around alberta it's gonna be wonderful and they're gonna have a

00:54:28.420 nice big beautiful door and if mark carney wants to come and visit he'll have to come in legally

00:54:33.480 okay you gotta have to get a passport kind of like uh the intro donny b i don't know if you

00:54:39.680 guys have have you met don bonar he makes the big alberta sovereignty now signs great guy man he's

00:54:48.400 always uh he's one of the people that do uh do the flag waving in uh wing rescue drive out in

00:54:54.660 north edmonton uh him and benita peterson pretty cool guy but yeah he uh he's he went to edmonton

00:55:01.560 international and uh and he was like telling people at the at the arrivals like hey this is

00:55:07.780 your last time you can come into alberta without an alberta passport this guy had a megaphone and

00:55:13.100 everything anyways here's another another question right here from honda 450 sfm thank you so much

00:55:22.380 for the super chat gentlemen do you suspect any saboteurs to surface when the signature

00:55:28.300 collections and referendum comes if so how do you think it'll show up that's a good question right

00:55:34.920 there that's a good one yeah honda they already are okay and the quickest way to to see who they

00:55:41.100 are the ones that are not coming up with solutions but only problems and discouragement or fud fear

00:55:46.420 uncertainty and doubt anybody that's peddling in that that that's going to be a saboteur whether

00:55:51.240 they're paid or just their own initiative or whatever if they're peddling in fud fear uncertainty

00:55:56.940 and doubt that's how you can identify them and when you saw the convoy in ottawa it was pretty

00:56:00.820 easy to identify those people they're the ones that are saying let's storm the parliament let's

00:56:05.200 uh push back on the police they didn't have the same message as everybody else so they're

00:56:10.040 going to stand out for them yeah so i think the majority of people who are doing it for the right

00:56:14.900 reasons you'll easily see these people stand out in that group and then they'll quickly be isolated

00:56:20.320 and escorted out and they'll no longer be causing those problems but look for fear and certainty

00:56:25.160 in doubt anybody peddling in that are trying to stop the signatures yeah freedom convoy freedom

00:56:32.520 convoy is the easiest one to go back to i mean you look at those flags that came out out of nowhere

00:56:37.640 and magically trudeau's was it trudeau's photographer his photographer on the first day

00:56:43.000 yeah they're all there waiting to go licking their chops ready to get everything so they

00:56:46.840 can throw everybody under the carpets i mean how many times did they say that uh the truckers were

00:56:51.320 stealing food from food banks or uh smashing windows when in fact it was others that were

00:56:57.080 doing it i mean the list never ended and that was immediately starting the following of the convoy

00:57:02.680 again ottawa crapped their pants because they turned around and said well we heard trucks were

00:57:06.760 coming they didn't realize all of a sudden that they'd blink and all of a sudden wellington's

00:57:10.980 completely flooded with vehicles all their other surrounding streets are flooded and people meant

00:57:15.720 business so they brought out the dirty tricks you're going to see that more and i keep saying

00:57:20.800 it. As soon as again, APP starts revealing, here's how many signatures we have. Here's how

00:57:25.680 fast we've garnered them. Once those signatures get verified, keep in mind folks that when you

00:57:31.280 get into the federal politics, it's not just the liberals that we're against. It's not just

00:57:35.540 lockdown, lockdown issues. The conservatives party is mostly based out of Alberta. What do

00:57:42.560 you think Pierre Polyev is going to say when he sees 800,000 signatures plus sitting on a

00:57:48.040 referendum saying, hey, we're getting ready to leave. What happens to his riding in Battle River

00:57:52.360 Crowfoot? What happens to all the conservatives who hold seats in Alberta if we vote to leave?

00:57:57.520 Their party gets absolutely crippled. So you're going to see the gloves come off and it's going

00:58:02.000 to get nasty. And when we talk about the infighting, when you see other people coming in

00:58:06.020 saying, oh, I don't like this, I don't like that, I keep telling people, eyes on the prize. We get

00:58:10.340 to the vote first, we find out where the chips fall, and then we have a plan to move forward

00:58:15.060 should something go awry at that point we have to take this in steps because if we think that

00:58:20.340 jeff raff and keith wilson fighting with each other is just going to be the worst of it think

00:58:24.900 again the the feds are going to make this a nightmare for everybody and not to be that dude

00:58:30.580 too but you can't discount foreign entities who just want to sow chaos like there are bought farms

00:58:36.420 in russia china iran and they don't really want one side or the other and whether it's u.s politics

00:58:42.100 Canadian politics Alberta independence doesn't matter what they just want to stir it up they'll

00:58:47.220 be on different you know platforms with their one laptop hooked up to 80 cell phones and all

00:58:51.860 their bots running just running and especially now with ai you can be having entire conversations

00:58:56.580 with 10 people and not one of them is real arguments so with witty witty answers that

00:59:01.540 you're like man how the heck do i answer this and it's it's ai be prepared to be called a traitor

00:59:07.940 and a separatist and whatever else they can think of and be prepared for the left to be spewing

00:59:13.780 whatever at you fake news media power social campaign everything everything oh yeah we better

00:59:23.460 be ready i i keep i keep saying this is why it's so important for all these channels like whether

00:59:28.820 it's jason myself pj john bolton any of the guys in alberta that are covering what's happening right

00:59:34.340 now that we all kind of maybe keep a ring of communication uh so that we can keep the lines

00:59:39.380 open to stay on the right tracks i think it's important i think it's important people have

00:59:43.300 the right information moving forward as we head into this battle because it will get heated folks

00:59:48.100 it is going to get nuts um and and ultimately uh you want to make sure that albertans again

00:59:54.260 have their eyes on the prize and where we headed into victory for this because if we

00:59:58.180 take our eyes off of it for even a second it's going to derail and it's going to collapse

01:00:01.460 absolutely very very true and very fair i'll just ask today whether or not a leader needs to step

01:00:07.980 forward to consolidate and unify all the groups and i said absolutely not uh there's a few reasons

01:00:13.860 why uh one would be they become a target so the media if they're successful and somehow taking

01:00:19.140 their head off of that one that would hurt the whole movement two it becomes a barrier because

01:00:23.820 sitting down like who becomes a leader is there an election are we all going to unify under one

01:00:27.960 message. That becomes a barrier to everything we're doing. And three, the best path forward is

01:00:33.200 an alliance amongst the grassroots initiatives. Eye on the prize, as Derek puts it, because that's

01:00:40.000 how World War II was won. That wasn't won by a union. That was won by an alliance. A whole bunch

01:00:45.340 of countries that didn't even get along before the war got together to go ahead and align to the

01:00:50.280 final goal, which was to defeat Nazism in Europe, because France and England and the rest understood

01:00:56.240 we have our historical differences that go back hundreds of years but if we don't focus on getting

01:01:01.580 rid of the bigger problem we're all going to lose so that's exactly how I felt we don't need a leader

01:01:06.820 that'll be too big of a target we can't get a leader that'll be too big of an effort and actually

01:01:12.380 the best way to move forward is a alliance amongst the grassroots efforts that's my opinion on that

01:01:17.360 side of things very much agree I think things are about to get real busy for all Alberta channels in

01:01:22.660 new year it's it's going to be pandemonium and to channel my inner alex jones for just one second

01:01:29.060 you've got to watch out for those false flags too the false flags like oh we found a bunch of

01:01:33.940 separatists uh you know trying to storm this with a truck full of shovels or whatever already talking

01:01:39.620 about militias uh militias whatever like i mean just because i'm standing at the border of alberta

01:01:46.660 going well um what kind of canadian are you doesn't mean anything okay thomas wasaki is

01:01:53.060 trying that right now he's saying the separatists are a bunch of angry white guys armed to the teeth

01:01:58.180 no not even close we're very excited and happy to move forward it's a whole bunch of people not

01:02:03.700 just white guys and no we're not armed in any way shape or form we are ready to vote and we're very

01:02:09.780 very democratic. We're armed with courage and determination.

01:02:14.860 Yeah. So it's happening already. And that's from a so-called conservative, right? Yeah.

01:02:18.820 He was never conservative. He was a progressive portion of the progressive conservatives.

01:02:24.060 Okay. We have a super chat here by Colin Gunn, 4822. Thank you, man. Appreciate it.

01:02:29.700 Civil war. Are we prepared in history? Separation of state has 93% chance cold and hot war.

01:02:36.640 i'm not sure i understand the question my friend uh i'm gonna read it again civil war are we

01:02:44.700 prepared in history peacefully i think he's asking are we prepared to get our hands dirty

01:02:49.060 i'm not allowed to say that on youtube i kind of dance around yeah yeah it's a it's a tricky thing

01:02:56.000 we're uh we're we're doing it it's legal here's what i'm going to tell you my friend it's legal

01:03:00.400 in canada canada is one of the few countries in the entire world that where it's legal for a

01:03:04.860 sub-national government or sub-national region, actually, to pursue separation, independence,

01:03:10.980 sovereignty from its mother nation. So we're doing nothing illegal. It's 100% legal through

01:03:18.140 the Clarity Act. Is there going to be a fight, an intellectual one, a political one, and all kinds

01:03:25.480 of shenanigans happening in there? Absolutely. But we don't have to get violent because there's

01:03:30.080 no need there's a legal pathway correct and i would echo that one completely canada is in a

01:03:35.840 unique situation where we do have a path forward supreme court has already addressed this it's very

01:03:41.040 legal it's very democratic in fact the rest of the world's probably watching canada how can you do

01:03:45.720 this the canadian way how can you go ahead and become independent the canadian way jamaica is

01:03:51.020 going through a referendum or recall not recall but going through their parliament to remove

01:03:56.260 themselves from the monarchy to become a republic that's just signatures and paper no blood was

01:04:00.780 spilled for that the modern way of getting things done is to get yourself through the process

01:04:05.920 legally and peacefully the canadian way and then it will be the albertan way and then that'll be

01:04:10.240 the template for other places including within canada absolutely okay we got uh another super

01:04:18.380 chat here from p neener that's an interesting name uh western independence is our only hope

01:04:25.040 vote for freedom 100 percent 100 okay well we're gonna end because i i promised you guys it would

01:04:33.140 only be an hour we're gonna end the uh live stream with a oh by the way those of you guys

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01:04:43.860 i know that him and i share a lot of subscribers so please those of you who haven't go and

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01:04:54.680 doing one on all of us man it's not just absolutely yeah so please go jason levine

01:05:00.440 please find jason they don't like me very much find jason on youtube he has a youtube channel

01:05:05.800 and he talks he does incredible interviews when it comes to alberta independence he has

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01:05:14.760 uh we're gonna finish this live stream on a funny note i saw this tweet courtesy of uh

01:05:21.400 because i know that french replied to it and this thing got a chuck a chuckle out of me

01:05:27.720 so i'm gonna ask you guys it says here what's your first thought when you see this bathroom

01:05:33.960 holy crap that's exactly what he said yeah that's what i'm thinking holy crap what's your first

01:05:41.640 thought when you see this i mean look at this bathroom what do you think is going on here

01:05:47.160 what the heck is going on in this bathroom sometimes you have to exercise a demon in there

01:05:53.480 i i would i would definitely need that many if i you know if i just went to taco bell or something

01:05:57.880 you probably need you need jesus in the bathroom oh yeah i noticed a febreze there so definitely

01:06:03.960 some big things happen there for sure yeah i see i didn't notice the febreze there is a whole bottle

01:06:10.600 i know as a young guy when i drank too much i did a lot of praying just like that but oh man

01:06:17.800 come on please god one porcelain gods are are definitely in effect in that room i can tell you

01:06:23.480 seeing one cross would be like whoa what do they have a cross in here for in the bathroom there's

01:06:28.280 like a hundred in there oh and while we're at it here's another tweet that i like that's funny as

01:06:36.520 hell it's oh jesus always wins our lord always wins uh check this out

01:06:59.000 he always wins oh and that wasn't ai right you gotta have a sense of humor you know

01:07:04.840 And that wasn't the women's swimming team, right?

01:07:07.540 That was men only?

01:07:08.820 It was men only, I think.

01:07:10.460 I think he's respecting the rules of competition.

01:07:12.340 The Lord doesn't mix that kind of stuff.

01:07:14.940 He knows better.

01:07:15.580 Respecting it as much as he can.

01:07:17.040 As much as he can.

01:07:18.220 I just got to give a huge shout out to Sean and Lori.

01:07:21.660 They just dropped a massive super chat in here.

01:07:24.460 Sean and Lori, you guys are awesome.

01:07:25.860 They hang out in my community as well.

01:07:28.520 Yeah, I know.

01:07:29.100 Very, very generous people.

01:07:31.140 I hope I see you guys, Sean and Lori.

01:07:33.240 i hope i see you guys at the uh at the rally in calgary please come on down i gotta they were at

01:07:38.680 the edmonton one but i didn't get to see you guys i hope i see you in the next one thank you so much

01:07:43.880 for the super chat thank you so very much i appreciate it and merry christmas merry christmas

01:07:48.840 to every single person watching and merry christmas to my guest uh fringes family mrs fringe

01:07:55.480 to jason and mrs levine and to matt you gotta you gotta mrs matt matt i do not all right well

01:08:01.960 To you and the dog, man.

01:08:03.360 To you and the dog.

01:08:04.280 Merry Christmas.

01:08:07.160 Same to you.

01:08:08.220 Thank you guys so much for joining me.

01:08:10.020 And maybe we can do this again.

01:08:11.220 It was a lot of fun.

01:08:12.060 Thank you all so much.

01:08:13.220 Always.

01:08:13.720 It was a great time.

01:08:14.600 Thank you, PJ.

01:08:15.320 See you.

01:08:15.860 Have a great weekend.

01:08:16.540 Bye-bye.

PJ The Belt - December 22, 2025

Alberta Takes MASSIVE Step Toward Independence - @UnacceptableFringe @TheLavigneShow

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