Playing to Win

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00:00:59.760 When does money bring happiness?

00:01:02.700 I'm joined today by Rola Tomasi.

00:01:04.300 How are you doing tonight, Rola?

00:01:05.140 Good, good.

00:01:05.740 How are you?

00:01:06.500 Yeah, good, man.

00:01:07.760 I'm glad we got this opportunity to connect,

00:01:09.160 because I know you're working on an essay on this very topic. 0.96

00:01:11.960 And again, the show is really all about just kicking ass in life. 0.92

00:01:15.780 And hang on, I got some. 0.99

00:01:17.480 There we go.

00:01:17.960 I've got to beat that. 0.99

00:01:18.920 It's about just kicking ass in life and, you know, 0.96

00:01:21.160 doing the work and not making excuses. 0.96

00:01:23.660 And there's a big difference between playing to win and playing not to lose.

00:01:26.920 And I got a visual here I want to show you,

00:01:28.880 because this really sets it up.

00:01:32.940 So I shared this on Instagram.

00:01:35.560 By the way, it's entrepreneurs underscore in underscore cars.

00:01:40.120 And this is the difference between playing to win and playing not to lose.

00:01:44.840 Let me just see if I can get this to square up in the screen just a little bit better.

00:01:49.480 There we go.

00:01:50.000 So this lioness over here is playing not to lose. 1.00

00:01:56.900 And you'll see playing to win in just one second.

00:02:07.680 That right there is playing to win.

00:02:12.300 Yeah.

00:02:13.140 All right.

00:02:13.940 Let me just close it up.

00:02:15.460 Effortless for...

00:02:16.220 Maximum effort.

00:02:17.000 Yeah.

00:02:17.460 Effortless for such a large animal.

00:02:18.740 So if you guys come across anything in your travels on the interwebs

00:02:21.880 and you want to send it over to me that looks...

00:02:23.960 That compares the...

00:02:25.120 That'll contrast playing to win versus playing not to lose.

00:02:27.920 Send it over to me.

00:02:28.500 Just send me a DM or email it.

00:02:30.020 I'd love to share it on one of these future episodes.

00:02:33.500 So the way that we're doing tonight's show is...

00:02:36.260 Roland, I kind of want to kick off and have a little bit of a chat first.

00:02:38.780 And then we'll take some calls.

00:02:41.200 Josh is going to be screening calls for me.

00:02:43.680 So what I've done is I've dropped the StreamYard join link.

00:02:47.140 That's going to go to Josh.

00:02:48.900 He's going to make sure your cameras work and audio is solid.

00:02:51.440 You got a question.

00:02:52.920 And then he's going to give you my link to join in the waiting area for the stream.

00:02:56.460 And I'll bring you in at the right moment.

00:02:58.540 So click that.

00:02:59.560 Have a quick conversation with him.

00:03:01.160 He'll make sure you've got your audio and your video working good.

00:03:04.120 And then we'll take you in over here in this room.

00:03:05.840 So hopefully this cleans up the experience for you guys watching on your end going forward.

00:03:10.500 It's kind of like a test in life with anything else, right?

00:03:12.700 This is how you play to win, Rola.

00:03:14.000 You just got to...

00:03:14.520 You got to try these things out, right?

00:03:15.960 You said something to me interesting to me today where...

00:03:20.120 Hang on.

00:03:20.400 Let me see if I can dig it up here.

00:03:21.840 I'm not going to show the screen, but I just want to...

00:03:24.120 Because you said something about you weren't sure about what it is you were doing, right?

00:03:28.160 Yeah.

00:03:28.600 What did you say exactly here?

00:03:29.700 No, okay.

00:03:30.240 Well, here's the thing is, and I have always, I don't know, I wanted to come on this.

00:03:35.420 When you told me you were going to do this show, I was like, man, maybe I can get on that and talk something.

00:03:41.660 Like, I usually when I'm speaking and when I'm talking about stuff, it's about intersexual dynamics.

00:03:46.940 And if I cross over into other topics, such as maybe entrepreneurship or business or whatever, I don't think I talk about money all that much.

00:03:56.300 But if it has to do with intersexual dynamics, I will cross over.

00:04:00.780 So if it's religion or politics or whatever, as long as it is in that realm.

00:04:05.700 But like in this case, it's like I think that might be interesting to sort of get my take on not necessarily how much I or what I view as far as money is concerned.

00:04:18.120 But like just I think, I don't know, maybe like the best way I can say this is personal economics.

00:04:24.040 Like your belief set about money, your belief set about success, because those two things are like intertwined.

00:04:31.640 And the thing I was telling you is this is I've been pretty successful in my life.

00:04:36.140 OK, I'm not an entrepreneur.

00:04:37.660 I've never called myself an entrepreneur.

00:04:39.960 I've been more or less an artist my entire life, whether that is.

00:04:44.880 And I do a lot of different things.

00:04:46.040 People, they might not know this about me because I'm always Roel Tomasi, the guy who's talking about intersection dynamics.

00:04:51.960 But I have been in, I have a habit of going from creating a revenue stream for myself and then moving on to the next one.

00:05:05.060 And so my primary, they always say, you know, you want to have passive forms of income.

00:05:09.800 All of my active forms of income end up becoming my passive forms of income as I move on to the next project or I move on to the next thing that I'm doing in my life.

00:05:21.580 You're actually quite humble, though, because you're a lot more successful than anybody would be led to know, right?

00:05:28.040 I mean, you've done really well with your liquor brands.

00:05:30.380 I've done good.

00:05:30.420 Your book sells.

00:05:32.140 I mean, it's a phenomenal piece of work.

00:05:33.900 I've recommended it hundreds of times.

00:05:35.440 I've referenced it hundreds of times.

00:05:36.760 I've quoted it hundreds of times.

00:05:39.220 You do good work.

00:05:40.520 And as a result of having impact in people's lives and pursuing that purpose that you have to bring clarity to men.

00:05:47.920 And I mean, like your purpose from what I understand, and I'm not putting words in your mouth here, but from what I understand it is you don't want other guys like your brother-in-law to put a noose around their neck.

00:05:56.580 So when they understand these core concepts, they won't get into the mistake of pedestalizing a woman and having oneitis and going to do silly things like that.

00:06:05.760 So I think that that itself is you playing to win because playing not to lose would have hid yourself in the vast shadows of the interwebs and maybe remained as Rolo Tomasi without showing your face.

00:06:20.660 Like the first time we talked, when I approached you, we did a Skype interview and you would not run your camera.

00:06:26.260 You just did audio only.

00:06:27.920 And you've come out of that dark corner of the web to present yourself as Rolo Tomasi.

00:06:32.820 You've done the speaking events.

00:06:34.760 There's now a face to the name.

00:06:36.300 They know that it's legit, right?

00:06:38.020 That's playing to win.

00:06:39.860 And that comes with some risk, right?

00:06:41.160 Like that comes with some exposure to all kinds of problems too.

00:06:44.640 For sure.

00:06:44.820 For sure.

00:06:45.560 And I, when I was, I've been writing for all, well, in what we now call the manosphere for at least the last 18 or so years.

00:06:52.960 I mean, I'm, I started, uh, I always think of my start date is like that in 2002 when I was writing for SoSuave.

00:07:01.440 So, um, just about eight, well, um, gosh, almost 20 years now, but it's, um, uh, back then I had to be very careful because I never wanted to cross over 1.00

00:07:13.960 my, my liquor brands or my, my real work, my real life with my online life.

00:07:20.980 And that it took a long time for me to really be comfortable with finding a way to, to mix those two.

00:07:29.640 And it, it took, it really took, um, the, the divestment of the company that I used to work for, for me to say, okay, maybe now is okay to do that.

00:07:39.100 And it would re it used to kill me because I would deal with PR girls and I would deal with, because I was in marketing, I was in brand management.

00:07:46.140 That's all I did.

00:07:47.020 And I kept thinking, you know, if I could in some way do like a Rollo Tomasi brand of whiskey or a Rollo Tomasi brand of whatever, you know, um, any kind of, I was thinking like a brandy or a scotch or something like that at the time.

00:08:01.560 And, and I, I have two liquor brands that are, I have just an ownership stake in and it's not like I own them outright.

00:08:09.000 God forbid I own them outright, but, um, I have an ownership where I get royalties basically from a couple of brands and I've always wanted to at least one of them.

00:08:18.580 Yeah.

00:08:18.720 The vodka brand I don't like I'm done with, but the, the, the whiskey brand I have been a little bit public with, it's called a tap or I whiskey.

00:08:26.540 And it's, uh, I did the, the logo for it.

00:08:29.840 I did the, the whole thing for a very long time.

00:08:32.340 And now I'm, I just kind of sit back and let them do their own thing.

00:08:35.820 But I always, I always thought, man, if I could just somehow find a way to cross over, because I I'm looking at, like, if you go and you look at the, the online presence of some of these brands that I've been associated with, all I would have to do is say, yeah, this is the, this is my brand.

00:08:51.460 This is the one I endorse and it would like increase their exposure and they would make, I mean, they could make a lot of money off of it if I were to co-brand with them.

00:09:00.280 But I don't want to do that.

00:09:02.180 I would rather have, I'd rather make like create something new for myself and, and maybe push it that way.

00:09:07.960 But, um, I don't, I've never wanted to do that because I've been very careful of that because I don't know how certain brands will react to the manosphere or react to me, react to like the, my message as role of Tomasi, not my messages, you know, the guy who does the liquor brands.

00:09:26.500 And so I've always been careful of that because I've seen this happen.

00:09:30.640 I've seen brands become destroyed and good brands become destroyed because of a bad email or because somebody said something like right now we in, in today's society, it's, it's real easy for like particularly men to get run up the flagpole in the court of social media.

00:09:53.780 So if you get like a me too accusation or even just a suspicion, that's all it takes right now.

00:09:59.560 And so what happens is that's how like a doxing works or that's how, um, how, uh, guys, that's how like Antifa, like we've talked about like a Jack, um, Jack Murphy, like when he got doxed by Antifa, they came after him and they came after his, his personal life.

00:10:18.560 They came after his, his family, they came after his little league coaching and they came after his job.

00:10:24.840 And so, so this is, cause I'm going to tell you this from one side because I've seen this from both sides right now.

00:10:30.180 When I have been working in some, in some, uh, some brands when I'm working with a few brands, the people who run those brands don't, they're not internet savvy.

00:10:40.800 They don't know, they don't know about Antifa.

00:10:44.540 They don't know about Donald Trump.

00:10:45.700 They don't know about this.

00:10:46.840 They don't know anything.

00:10:48.120 All they know is what it is that they do.

00:10:49.900 And the only concern that they have is their brand.

00:10:52.460 So it's easier to fire you over an allegation than it is to go, Oh, let me, let me see if this is really legit.

00:10:59.760 Let me, and let me dig into this and try to sort this out and untangle this and see if I can keep you in the job that you're in.

00:11:06.120 It's, it's just simpler to say, get out of here, leave.

00:11:08.940 This is like another broadcast entirely.

00:11:11.860 Like this is about image management really.

00:11:13.940 Well, yeah, that's what we're kind of leaning into.

00:11:15.600 I want to circle it back and bring it back to money and happiness.

00:11:19.560 I'm coming back to that because what, what happened is as far as like my money and my happiness was concerned, I had to make that separation because of that.

00:11:28.940 So what I would end up doing and just in my, my own personal history, I've gone from, from various jobs that I've done.

00:11:35.500 And those end up becoming my passive sources of income.

00:11:40.420 So if I do, if I work in some capacity with like the gaming industry, I'll leave something behind me where they have to consult me or if they have to come back to me to, to get information so that they can keep their thing.

00:11:52.960 Like, I think it's in the 48 laws of power where they say, you know, make yourself indispensable, you know, so that you, you know, never teach everybody all your tricks.

00:11:59.680 I've always done that.

00:12:00.820 That's always seemed like the, the, the knowledgeable thing to do.

00:12:04.000 And so what I have a habit of doing is creating passive sources of income that end up, they, they used to be my main source of income.

00:12:13.260 And then I move on from there and I'm kind of in a weird position right now because I kind of like right now, my, my being role Tomasi and my books and everything is competing with my income in my real life and my real job.

00:12:27.800 And I never want to get to that point where, where I have to be dependent on being role Tomasi because I know that it can be taken away from me.

00:12:36.560 So if you want to say, if you want to say, I want to talk about happiness and all that kind of stuff.

00:12:41.960 I think really happiness comes from like people will say job security or that like, that's, to me, that's kind of like survivalism.

00:12:49.920 Like you want to have jobs playing not to lose.

00:12:52.180 Whenever somebody says job security, that's playing not to lose.

00:12:55.420 It's playing not to lose.

00:12:56.460 Yeah.

00:12:56.600 Um, and, and so I've never, I've always thought this like, and you, you probably heard me say this before, how I think one of my, one of my posts or whatever is women need security.

00:13:09.800 They want that security because of the way that they, that women evolved. 1.00

00:13:13.940 They're always looking for that.

00:13:15.160 They're looking for the guy who's always going to be dependable.

00:13:17.720 They're going to look for the guy.

00:13:18.580 And this is, but they're still looking for the exciting guy as well.

00:13:21.220 So there's sort of this security side of hypergamy.

00:13:23.700 And then there's this, there's this adventurous excitement side of, of security or, of, of hypergamy.

00:13:29.640 And I've always, this is what taught me.

00:13:31.700 This is that there's no such thing as security.

00:13:35.560 Here's always going to be something you didn't see.

00:13:37.940 Uh, and then the jobs that I thought that I was the most secure are the ones that like fell apart.

00:13:42.220 And I was caught with my pants now.

00:13:43.880 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:44.360 And you also need that instability for the growth opportunity because shit that's way too stable. 0.99

00:13:49.740 Like rocks, like boulders don't move very much. 0.99

00:13:53.120 Right.

00:13:53.400 I mean, like you have to have some, uh, pliability in it.

00:13:56.560 I want to kind of, um, jump in a little bit of history lesson about money before we really get into this money and happiness dynamic.

00:14:03.740 Um, I got a couple of guys in the waiting area right now.

00:14:06.540 Um, I'm going to get to you guys shortly, maybe in about 10 minutes or so.

00:14:09.480 So just sit back and relax.

00:14:10.860 We'll definitely get to you tonight.

00:14:11.860 We'll make sure we get your questions on, but, um, kind of the origin story of money.

00:14:16.280 So we can frame it in perspective was money was created to store value.

00:14:23.180 Um, so my last name's Cooper.

00:14:26.120 Um, historically coopers were known as barrel makers through and throw, um, throughout medieval times.

00:14:32.480 So if you need a barrel to contain some kind of fluid, a grain or anything like that, that's what coopers would do.

00:14:39.300 And let's say, you know, we're just going to use Tomasi as an example.

00:14:42.360 Let's say that the Tomasis were, uh, I don't know, chicken farmers. 0.82

00:14:45.160 And you needed a barrel to store your chicken feed.

00:14:48.420 And I needed chickens to feed my family.

00:14:50.860 We would just barter.

00:14:52.020 I'd give you a barrel and you'd negotiate.

00:14:54.420 I'll give you three chickens for a barrel. 1.00

00:14:55.820 And that would be the deal sort of thing.

00:14:57.940 But at some point, maybe chickens aren't re, you know, like reproducing.

00:15:01.760 There was also a lot of perishable items, um, foods, for example, like corn, hay and stuff like that, which would not store.

00:15:08.260 And you couldn't barter with something that had gone bad.

00:15:11.980 So what you would do is they created, um, a form of value to store, which really started out with gold and silver.

00:15:18.420 And like, you know, they'd kind of make it into chunks and they would trade with that, which eventually turned into paper money and credit and so on and so forth to today.

00:15:26.100 So all that money really is, is it's a representation.

00:15:29.580 It's a store of some value that you've created.

00:15:32.240 So if I were to have accumulated a certain value of money for selling barrels to the Tomasi clan and selling barrels to the stone clan, for example, um, that would represent me manufacturing a shitload of barrels, improving their lives. 0.91

00:15:48.800 And they would give me some sort of store of value in exchange for that money.

00:15:53.300 So that's what it is just to kind of break that down.

00:15:55.620 It's a simple term because a lot of people get very upset when you start talking about money, rich, you're out of touch.

00:16:00.760 There's no way I can be a millionaire.

00:16:03.080 I've heard all kinds of stories from people and excuses that they make up as far as, um, you know, money being evil and money is not an evil thing.

00:16:11.840 Um, you can't have, I mean, it's very, very difficult with some exceptions with, you know, cocaine, drug dealers and stuff like that.

00:16:18.800 Um, that may have been more evil people, but it's very, very difficult for you to acquire wealth and money, uh, and be evil at the same time.

00:16:27.440 Like Bill Gates is not an evil man.

00:16:29.420 He's a very rich man, in fact.

00:16:30.920 And, um, he does some impressive things in the world today.

00:16:34.700 Now that he's retired from Microsoft, um, he's finding ways to get rid of raw sewage and developing countries to reduce and eliminate, um, you know, diseases that transmit very easily with. 0.98

00:16:47.400 You know, contaminated water.

00:16:49.040 So you can do some pretty impressive things with it.

00:16:51.520 And that's, and that's what it does.

00:16:53.760 In my opinion, I think that money, it doesn't bring you happiness, but I've never seen a guy crying in a Lamborghini.

00:17:01.980 Okay.

00:17:02.540 Let me just expand on that a little bit more.

00:17:05.060 Um, it brings you options is what I believe that it brings you.

00:17:08.680 It builds potential.

00:17:09.860 It brings you the ability to solve problems.

00:17:13.020 I mean, a guy with a few million dollars versus a guy that's working in a secure job at a factory or something like that doesn't have the same medical options as a guy like Bill Gates would.

00:17:24.660 For example, Bill Gates has far more opportunities to solve, um, a terminal illness diagnosis than somebody working his secure job.

00:17:32.820 Right?

00:17:33.500 So you got to look at it from that perspective.

00:17:36.220 It gives you the flexibility to do things that a lot of other people can't do because you can buy, uh, solutions to problems that you have.

00:17:43.920 You can also, you know, I mean, if things bring you happiness, like for me, cars bring me happiness, right?

00:17:48.140 Like I just, that's my thing.

00:17:49.380 I like fast cars.

00:17:50.280 So I spend some money on fast cars.

00:17:52.700 Um, everybody's got their poison, right?

00:17:54.720 But it's just, it's the journey itself.

00:17:57.960 I think that is the most fun to the accumulation of that experiences bank, right?

00:18:04.860 And then it's the experiences at the end of the day.

00:18:07.020 You're right.

00:18:07.600 It's the experiences at the end of the day, uh, that people remember when they're on their deathbed.

00:18:12.400 They don't care about the Lamborghini they've got in the garage, but what they will remember is when they drove 7,000 miles across the U S, uh, and spent, you know, all that money to do the gold rush rally.

00:18:24.300 With all their friends.

00:18:25.160 And they went on to all these monuments and places and had those experiences and the nightclubs and the dinners and the exclusive access parties and all that sort of stuff.

00:18:32.460 That's what people remember.

00:18:33.580 And that's what money buys you as well as it brings, is it lets you experience things that other people are unable to experience.

00:18:39.780 If that makes sense.

00:18:40.520 Yeah, I, I answered, uh, I think with Dr. Sean Smith, they asked something on Twitter about, about three or four days ago.

00:18:46.700 I said something, what do you think about money?

00:18:48.540 Like, what is your particular thing?

00:18:50.220 I've had my, my impression of money change over the years.

00:18:55.780 Um, I, particularly when I went from sort of the work a day world into, okay, I need to find projects to, to make money to like, I want to be my own boss.

00:19:08.620 I don't want to work for other people anymore.

00:19:10.040 I want to do my own thing.

00:19:11.200 I had to change my mind about it because I think that when you're in sort of the nine to five work a day world, you are, you're not playing, like you said, you're not playing to win.

00:19:20.940 You're playing to just survive.

00:19:22.180 These are survivalists.

00:19:23.100 These are people who want to just go in, put in their 40 hours a week and come back home and, and do whatever it is that be comfortable to whatever.

00:19:30.160 Um, there was a time where I would have been, I would have been somewhat like that.

00:19:36.900 I've always, because I'm an artist and I want to make things.

00:19:39.260 And so to make things and to create things, I have to have the money to do that.

00:19:43.820 I have to have some way of, of facilitating the things that I want to do.

00:19:49.120 My dad taught me this one time.

00:19:50.220 He says, you know what?

00:19:51.000 Uh, cause I wanted to be a rock star, right?

00:19:52.940 When I was, when I was younger and my dad said, okay, well try to be a rock star. 0.80

00:19:57.100 But, uh, why don't you, one, you get a job and, and bust your ass and then you do a, be a rock star and that'll be a project or that'd be something on the side. 0.91

00:20:05.560 Right. 0.98

00:20:06.160 There's always this plan B.

00:20:07.880 So go and get the job as the graphic designer.

00:20:11.120 And then you can use that to fund your, you know, your projects, your flights of fancy or whatever it is that you want to do.

00:20:16.740 And sometimes that's good.

00:20:17.800 And sometimes that's not good because you end up with this idea about money as in, it's like something that is difficult.

00:20:24.900 It's something that is, it's a hard thing to acquire.

00:20:28.580 It's something that you like people who start their own businesses, they're taking that risk.

00:20:33.920 They're running out there again.

00:20:34.960 It's like zero security, but I think your attitude towards money changes.

00:20:40.120 Now you, you know this cause I, when we were on rule zero last Saturday, I just bought a truck.

00:20:44.560 Okay.

00:20:44.920 I just bought a newer truck.

00:20:47.120 Okay.

00:20:47.320 It's not brand new.

00:20:48.320 Did you get rid of the Hummer?

00:20:49.360 I got rid of the Hummer. 0.99

00:20:50.760 Um, well I traded it in, but the Hummer's like next to you go to a dealer and they don't give you jack shit. 0.93

00:20:56.200 Um, but, um, but I paid for the car outright and I won't tell you exactly what it was, but it was, put it this way in my work a day life. 0.81

00:21:08.120 Like, well, you know, if I was, when I was in my, my twenties, had I been like, you know, uh, even 30, 31 years old or so, I would have, I couldn't have dreamed of having a car like this much less pay for it outright.

00:21:21.800 And I've, I've, I've reached a point in my life where I'm like, why, you know, why, why have a car payment?

00:21:29.820 You know, if I don't have to have a car payment, why not?

00:21:32.040 You know?

00:21:32.620 So I, I went from thinking about like owning a car based on how much I could pay per month, as opposed to that's the car I want.

00:21:43.280 How am I going to make that happen?

00:21:45.740 And I, I catch myself doing this occasionally too.

00:21:48.660 Cause like when I, when I sold my house in Florida, there was a time where I like, I'll go and buy the house in Florida and it's because I want to have that house.

00:21:57.920 And so I had to change my mind about it.

00:21:59.560 It's like, it's not impossible to have two houses.

00:22:01.620 It's not impossible to, to, you know, to, if you just think about money in a different fashion.

00:22:07.460 And that's, I think that's really one of the hardest things for people to realize.

00:22:11.100 And then I was answering that question by, by Dr. Sean Smith.

00:22:14.340 And I said this, and people thought I was like smoking crack or something, but I said, look, money is currency.

00:22:20.140 And that is, of course we call it currency, like money.

00:22:23.080 We, you know, whatever, you know, currency converter and stuff like that.

00:22:25.420 But why do they call money currency?

00:22:28.180 Because it's a current, because it's like an electrical current.

00:22:31.100 You need that currency to make things happen, to turn the light on, to turn the computer on, to do whatever.

00:22:37.820 There has to be some kind of underlying current, some kind of, some form of energy or whatever you want to call it.

00:22:43.700 In this case, it's electricity, right?

00:22:45.220 There has to be a current so that you can make something happen.

00:22:48.940 And that's when I sort of changed my mind about money.

00:22:50.900 When I started seeing it as not some kind of like, you know, impossible thing to get or something to like obsess over.

00:22:57.480 But to use it as a raw material or use it as the raw energy to turn on the light, to make this project happen, to buy this car, to start another business, to hire somebody to help me out with something, to like, how do I get things done?

00:23:13.120 And I used to worry about having no money.

00:23:18.020 But once you get to a point where you can, you're confident in your capacity to generate money, then even when you get zeroed out, and we've talked about that a million times, even when you get zeroed out financially, and you can be zeroed out in a lot of different ways, you can certainly be zeroed out financially.

00:23:32.380 Well, you need money to deal with that too.

00:23:35.880 Like, if you ever get zeroed out, you need financial resources to solve that problem.

00:23:40.200 It could come in the form of legal issues.

00:23:42.380 It could come in the form of you need a large sum of cash to deal with a problem, right?

00:23:47.160 Like, does that bring you happiness?

00:23:50.200 No, but it can solve the problem.

00:23:52.840 We've got about four people waiting right now in the waiting area role.

00:23:57.060 So I want to move to that real quick.

00:23:58.500 So just wrap up your...

00:23:59.600 Okay, I was just going to say really quickly, what brings me...

00:24:01.940 Like, when we have this conversation, it's like, can money buy you happiness?

00:24:05.140 Well, it's not going to buy you happiness, but it can power the things that make you happy, that can drive you to...

00:24:13.340 So it's like, and then the joke is this, of course, you know, and it can buy me things that make me happy.

00:24:17.760 So what is it?

00:24:19.020 I think we have to, and even before we get to the colleges, we have to define what it is that is happiness.

00:24:24.960 To me, happiness is creating something new because I'm an artist.

00:24:28.100 I want to create things.

00:24:29.880 How do I create things?

00:24:30.840 Well, I got to have money to create things.

00:24:32.200 I got to keep the lights on so that I can go and do what I want to do.

00:24:35.800 So to me, money is necessary for happiness.

00:24:40.580 Now, I could find other ways to be happy, of course, but like me as a person, I think really what it comes down to is what is it that makes you happy?

00:24:46.800 For some people, it's experience.

00:24:48.960 For some people, it might be status.

00:24:51.400 For some people, what it is, finding out what it is that makes you happy.

00:24:54.760 That's really the basis of that definition.

00:24:58.820 Like, can I buy you happy?

00:24:59.640 Well, not going to buy you the happiness, but it can fund the things that you like to do, that you can do, that can better the world.

00:25:06.860 Anybody that ever said money doesn't buy you happiness never had any.

00:25:09.820 That's really what it always boils down to.

00:25:11.600 And it's people who want to find, and I wanted to get to this really quick, is people want to find contentment.

00:25:18.400 That's the whole thing, is people think that you, that-

00:25:21.780 I don't think that contentment is enough, though, because contentment, when I hear somebody say, well, I just want to be content, again, that's playing not to lose.

00:25:29.040 Playing to win is anti-fragility in my estimation.

00:25:32.260 You need to lean into a position where you're anti-fragile, and one of the things that you need to be anti-fragile is money, because it can deal with a lot of problems for you.

00:25:41.760 It can solve a lot of problems.

00:25:42.720 It can help you maneuver better.

00:25:44.180 You can do a lot, right?

00:25:45.940 I think that the human condition is discontent, and how we manage that discontent is the key.

00:25:53.600 So if you want to play the win-

00:25:54.540 Well, all you got to do is go into social media for five minutes any day on Facebook, and it's all discontent all day long, dude.

00:26:00.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:00.880 Well, and why do we think of that negatively?

00:26:03.440 Because those people are dealing with discontent in a destructive fashion, in a manner that doesn't build something.

00:26:09.440 You can deal with discontent creatively, or you can deal with it destructively.

00:26:13.260 And most people, unfortunately, opt for the destructive thing, because they don't believe that they have the capacity to generate money, to be happy, to do the things that they want to do.

00:26:24.400 And so they're discontent in a manner that is self-destructive, as opposed to constructive.

00:26:29.980 The minute you can look in the mirror and be happy with what you see, you're sunk.

00:26:34.800 Because even after I got my degree, even after I got to the point where I am today, I'm always thinking, what's the next project?

00:26:45.040 What else can I build?

00:26:46.680 I'm going to do another book.

00:26:48.080 Yeah, that's great.

00:26:48.660 I'm going to do another book.

00:26:49.240 I'm going to do this fourth book, and then I'm going to move on to writing fiction after that and see if I can do that, because that's something that I want to do.

00:26:55.580 It's a project, right?

00:26:57.060 And so I think it's important for guys to, first of all, accept that there's no such thing as contentment, and there's no such thing as security.

00:27:05.720 So if those are the constants for you, what are you going to do in that environment?

00:27:10.880 What are you going to do with that being your reality? 0.87

00:27:14.000 Well, you can either kick ass, or you can sort of just hope that things are – you can allow life to happen to you, or you can happen to life. 0.93

00:27:21.960 Yeah. 0.99

00:27:23.220 Frederick, I'm going to throw you on.

00:27:25.060 I think you're the first one in line.

00:27:27.180 Oh, no.

00:27:27.480 He wanted to switch over to a different browser.

00:27:29.540 So – oh, he's back.

00:27:31.600 Let's throw him back on.

00:27:32.520 There you go.

00:27:34.720 Frederick, can you hear us okay?

00:27:40.140 Frederick.

00:27:40.920 I kind of hear him.

00:27:42.340 I'm not hearing him.

00:27:43.120 No.

00:27:43.760 Here, I'm going to pull you back out.

00:27:45.020 Let me know in the private chat if you've got yourself working.

00:27:47.960 Nial, I'll throw you on.

00:27:49.240 I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right.

00:27:51.860 It's Nial. 0.89

00:27:52.380 Can you hear me okay?

00:27:53.420 Nial.

00:27:53.740 Yeah.

00:27:53.940 Okay, cool.

00:27:54.460 Do you have a question tonight?

00:27:57.260 Yes, I do.

00:28:00.560 All right.

00:28:01.060 Fire away, man.

00:28:01.540 You're on.

00:28:01.920 Go for it.

00:28:03.520 All right.

00:28:04.100 So my question is about motivation.

00:28:07.680 So usually for me, when you gave me that advice on Instagram one time, I took that.

00:28:15.540 And yeah, I've been doing the stuff I like to do.

00:28:19.040 But what usually happens is I just get – when I feel down, I just give up really easily.

00:28:25.240 And I feel – and whenever people make comments, I just – I internally kind of like cry.

00:28:30.460 And I try to hide it, but I know it hurts me.

00:28:33.740 And I feel like people bring me down constantly.

00:28:37.040 I just wonder, like, how can you just, like –

00:28:39.460 15, 16?

00:28:40.940 How old are you?

00:28:41.440 And, like, not have people bring you down and just be able to keep on doing it without people – without other people dictating how you feel about something.

00:28:52.740 How old are you, man?

00:28:54.000 And that's it.

00:28:56.300 14 in January.

00:28:57.620 Wow.

00:28:58.120 We got a young guy on tonight.

00:28:59.140 Good, good, good.

00:28:59.540 What do you got for him, Rola?

00:29:01.660 Well, I'll tell you this.

00:29:03.580 There was a time, and I don't think I was quite as young as you, but there was a time where I really thought that other people's opinions of me mattered, right?

00:29:15.060 And here's the God's honest truth is we do believe that.

00:29:19.160 I think as social animals, as human beings, we want people to approve of us.

00:29:25.180 We want to have some sort of status.

00:29:26.840 We want that belonging.

00:29:28.060 Human beings tend to be more – well, of course, we're naturally, innately tribalistic, so we want to feel like we fit in.

00:29:33.880 But it's when you start beating yourself up over that kind of stuff and over-exaggerating that into your own ego because what right now is you're very – it sounds to me anyway, so you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me that you're very ego-invested in the opinions of other people right now, of other guys.

00:29:52.600 And that's real easy to do in high school.

00:29:54.760 I understand that because you only know – you've only got one social circle, and you're kind of locked into that localized social circle.

00:30:04.520 So the first thing is you have to understand that you live in a very big world, not just that little small world right there.

00:30:11.780 So you can go – you could go today, and like let's just say I picked you up from wherever you're living right now, and I took you 100 miles to the next city over.

00:30:20.380 You can basically decide I'm not going to be Niall today.

00:30:24.860 I'm going to be Joe, right?

00:30:26.900 And you could completely create this new persona for you, and other people would still – would relate to you as such, right?

00:30:34.260 So when you think about it, like when you are dealing with other people, when you're dealing with like social situations, you are who you say you are.

00:30:44.140 So who are you going to be?

00:30:45.420 Like what is it about yourself that like – is there something in you that you want to change that you think other people would like you better because of that?

00:30:54.540 Or is it just like something that you're just beating yourself up over?

00:31:01.420 So just to add to that, when you care too much about what other people think about you – because this is like a show about chasing excellence and playing a win.

00:31:10.760 You're not playing a win.

00:31:12.300 Anybody that is on a path in their life where they're putting their dent in the universe, they're making bank, they're solving problems, they've always got critics.

00:31:21.900 They've always got somebody trying to bring them down.

00:31:23.740 I mean I've constantly got people trying to bring me down.

00:31:26.460 They make hit pieces on me on YouTube because they've got nothing better to do with their time, right?

00:31:29.780 So people will always aim at you when they think that they will benefit in some way from disparaging you, right?

00:31:37.780 They think that by bringing you down, it brings them up.

00:31:41.380 And the other thing that you always got to remember is hate never comes from somebody better than you.

00:31:45.280 Hate always comes from somebody beneath you. 0.93

00:31:47.980 People never get jealous of losers, right? 0.75

00:31:50.420 Always remember that. 0.96

00:31:51.320 People never get jealous of losers. 0.99

00:31:52.880 It's the reason why the entire half of the United States is all over Donald Trump like a fat kid on a smarty. 0.98

00:32:00.660 The guy's won all his life, okay? 0.98

00:32:04.020 The guy's not a loser.

00:32:05.340 I mean he's the president of the most powerful country in the world.

00:32:08.040 Despite what you may or may not like about his policies, he's still not a loser, right?

00:32:13.060 So always remember that.

00:32:14.600 And you're always going to have these crabs in the bucket, my friend.

00:32:19.080 They want to bring you back down to their level.

00:32:21.360 And if you find yourself, you know, surrounded by these people that are bringing you down, it's upon you to remove them from your circle of influence.

00:32:30.680 Like you're never going to play to win if you, you know, hang around with a bunch of turkeys on the ground. 1.00

00:32:35.420 You want to soar like an eagle, you got to get up at altitude and hang out with the other eagles, right? 0.98

00:32:39.780 So you just get rid of these losers. 0.98

00:32:41.440 You know, I'll tell you, I'll just leave you with one other thing. 0.97

00:32:43.740 There was a time in my life, I was about 16 years old.

00:32:46.600 And there was a, like for a long time, I really wanted to make my dad proud.

00:32:52.520 And then I realized that it doesn't matter whether I make him proud or not.

00:32:57.240 And I wasn't, like I was trying to influence the way that somebody else thought about me rather than being focused on what it is I was doing, what my project was at that time.

00:33:09.420 And, you know, what it is like building on me.

00:33:12.680 And it took me a long time to come to this conclusion is that I needed to make myself my mental point of origin.

00:33:18.280 And I think that's where you need to start.

00:33:20.420 I wish somebody would have told me this when I was 14 years old.

00:33:23.520 This is gold. 0.99

00:33:24.740 This is some gold shit here right now. 0.99

00:33:26.800 Now, when you are thinking, when you, like one of the reasons why you beat yourself up is because you do not make yourself your mental point of origin. 0.99

00:33:34.340 Now, people think that when I say that, that I mean, oh, you just need to make yourself number one or you need to be the prize or whatever.

00:33:42.120 Yeah, but here's the thing is you need to get to the point where when you are faced with a decision that your first thought that enters into your brain is how is this going to affect me?

00:33:57.040 What can I do with this information?

00:33:58.680 How is this going, how is whatever's coming in from the outside world, how does this affect me and what am I going to do with all of this?

00:34:06.900 Because most people and probably yourself right now, their first inclination, their first thought is how is this going to affect my family?

00:34:15.900 How is this going to affect my dad?

00:34:17.180 How is this going to affect my girlfriend?

00:34:19.740 How is this going to affect my wife? 1.00

00:34:21.600 What are they going to think of me if I do this too?

00:34:23.460 What are they going to think of me if I do this or what, you know, and that's their first thought rather than.

00:34:28.160 You'd be surprised how little people think of you.

00:34:31.720 People, people really spend very little time thinking about you and your choices because they're so like, especially women, because they're so solipsistic, like all they, you know, they can't see past their own nose. 1.00

00:34:42.560 So a lot of the times we spend way too much time thinking, oh, what's somebody going to think of me if I do this or if I walk away from this event or if I quit that or, you know, if I don't go here or if I don't show up on time with a gift in hand sort of thing, what are they going to think of me?

00:34:54.020 Dear God.

00:34:55.520 And when you realize it, like when you really boil it down to the basics, people don't really care that much.

00:35:00.480 They're just not paying a lot of attention.

00:35:02.180 Everybody is not out to get you, but everybody is out for themselves.

00:35:06.240 So bear that in mind.

00:35:08.860 But I think most importantly, when you're faced with the decision, start today and say, how does this affect me?

00:35:15.020 Not how is this going to affect other people?

00:35:16.700 How is this going to affect whatever?

00:35:18.200 Start making yourself your mental point of origin.

00:35:20.560 That means that whatever your thoughts are, the first thought begins with you, not with anyone else.

00:35:27.320 All right, dude.

00:35:27.660 Thanks for the question, man.

00:35:28.560 I'm going to let you go because we've got a lineup of guys to get in here.

00:35:31.060 Thanks, brother.

00:35:31.400 All right, Frederick, I'm going to throw you on.

00:35:35.900 Colson, I'll put you on next, okay?

00:35:38.260 All right, you're up, buddy.

00:35:40.260 All right.

00:35:40.840 Can you hear me?

00:35:42.320 Yes, go.

00:35:43.360 Can you hear me?

00:35:44.080 Okay.

00:35:44.780 So first of all, it's a big honor speaking to you guys.

00:35:48.900 I've been following you, Rich, for about nine months.

00:35:51.180 And Rolo, I've read the first edition.

00:35:54.260 And I've ordered the other two ones.

00:35:57.060 There you go.

00:35:58.020 Cool.

00:35:58.420 Thank you.

00:35:58.740 I'm 18, and I'm currently reading The Way of Men.

00:36:02.680 But the thing is, I just graduated what is high school in Denmark.

00:36:08.640 Awesome.

00:36:09.080 High school.

00:36:09.960 So if I'm speaking quiet, it's 2 a.m. here.

00:36:13.240 I've stayed up all night.

00:36:14.340 Okay, no problem.

00:36:15.240 No problem.

00:36:16.620 I think I have three ways I would want to go.

00:36:21.180 The first one is education is free in Denmark.

00:36:23.520 So I thought about getting a degree in international business and then see if I could.

00:36:27.220 Letting myself a job at one of the big football clubs in Europe, because I like football.

00:36:32.640 The other one is becoming a pilot, but that's very expensive.

00:36:36.900 That's about 150,000 U.S. dollars.

00:36:40.080 And the last one is starting a skincare business, a masculine skincare brand, since I've been quite obsessed with it.

00:36:51.280 I also got inspired by Aaron Marino from LFM with his skincare brand.

00:36:56.520 And I read that...

00:36:57.300 It's got a sunglass brand now, too.

00:36:58.620 Yeah, and I read that it's apparently the male grooming industry is expected to be worth $166 billion in 2020. 0.99

00:37:06.900 Well, they are feminizing men, so you can expect a lot more guys to put that crap on their face. 0.99

00:37:11.420 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:11.900 Yeah.

00:37:12.140 So, but I think that with taking a degree or becoming a pilot, that's because I'm afraid of taking the risk, and that's kind of playing to lose.

00:37:23.100 So my advice or my question is...

00:37:26.140 Playing not to lose.

00:37:28.260 Yeah, playing not to lose.

00:37:29.480 Playing not to lose.

00:37:29.780 I've seen what the 9 to 5 does to people who hate their job.

00:37:33.600 And my worst fear is ending up regretting what I've done for my life and not feeling like I've pursued what I wanted to. 0.98

00:37:42.320 So what is your best advice for an 18-year-old guy who wants to, you know, kick ass?

00:37:47.100 First of all, I'm just grateful that we have YouTube to do stuff like this today, because I never had this chance at 18. 0.63

00:37:53.060 Like, this is like, dude, like, you have such an advantage today being able to, like, click a button, come in here and say,

00:37:59.120 hey, I'm thinking about these things, I'm asking these questions, what do you think?

00:38:02.780 Like, anyway, so to your question, right?

00:38:07.940 Yeah.

00:38:09.020 Complete this question for me.

00:38:10.240 I lose track of time when?

00:38:14.060 What are you doing when you can't?

00:38:14.860 When I was younger, when I played football.

00:38:16.860 Okay.

00:38:17.100 When I played football, but I got an injury.

00:38:19.160 Are you a footballer?

00:38:19.860 Can you play?

00:38:20.540 Are you, like, you're talking about support roles?

00:38:23.720 I played, you know, soccer, but I got injured.

00:38:26.560 So now, like, I like watching it, and I'm interested in the, like, business side of it.

00:38:31.260 What do you like about planes?

00:38:32.180 What do you like about being a pilot?

00:38:35.680 Interesting job.

00:38:36.720 Aviation is fascinating.

00:38:38.540 It's pretty boring.

00:38:39.400 You're basically a bus driver in the sky.

00:38:41.520 Like, you push a few buttons, you take off, then you just put in your coordinates, and you sit there, right?

00:38:45.080 That's really about it.

00:38:46.180 Yeah.

00:38:47.140 So, and the other one was skincare.

00:38:49.120 So what do you like about the skincare product line?

00:38:50.700 Well, I've, I've dealt with acne, and I always, I would like to, maybe I could help someone deal with it.

00:38:59.780 But I haven't dealt with it really well.

00:39:02.300 I've not gotten a lot of help, but I would, like, wish I could have received some good product.

00:39:08.740 The pilot angle is playing not to lose.

00:39:11.540 Nice, safe job.

00:39:12.400 Good pension.

00:39:13.220 You know, lots of free time.

00:39:15.120 You know, it's a pretty good job, right?

00:39:16.480 But, you know, you don't have any clarity around what you want to do with football, but you have purpose behind the skincare product line to solve acne for young people.

00:39:27.220 That's the one that I would lean into.

00:39:28.720 Yeah, creating a masculine brain. 0.99

00:39:30.600 Yeah, that's the one that I would lean into.

00:39:32.960 That would, that would be playing, playing to win.

00:39:35.420 Yeah, certainly in the, certainly in the near future anyways.

00:39:39.140 I was just going to say this, is that the way that you answer those questions, your first question was, that's your passion.

00:39:44.380 That's, you, you like that.

00:39:46.080 You like football.

00:39:47.580 You know, maybe circumstances won't permit you to actually play it.

00:39:51.660 Is there something that you could do?

00:39:53.860 Put it this way, would you be satisfied to be in that, in a support role rather than playing football?

00:40:00.060 Because playing football is a whole lot different than, like, managing a team or, you know, whatever it is that you're doing.

00:40:05.480 So, the first one is your fantasy, or excuse me, the first one is your passion.

00:40:08.900 The second one is your fantasy, because you, you think that it, it's, it's intriguing, right?

00:40:14.540 It's fascinating to, to be a pilot, but in the reality, in the real world, being a, being a pilot is really kind of, you know, that you get more money, of course.

00:40:24.600 But you're, you're, like Rich said, you're, it's almost a cubicle job because you're sitting in the, it really in a cubicle.

00:40:30.040 So, and then third, I think this is really more your purpose, is your purpose is you, you, you've seen a problem and you want to create a solution for that problem.

00:40:40.460 So, I would, I'm going to go with Rich here as well.

00:40:42.280 I would say the, doing the skincare thing and starting a business and that, I mean, that's going to take some, some balls, but at least you're going to have, you'll be doing something that you have a purpose behind and that you feel like you, like, that's why I wrote the books, right?

00:40:55.800 Because I wanted to help guys from, you know, killing themselves.

00:40:59.420 That was my purpose for the book.

00:41:01.240 And then, you know, I'll, yeah, well, thank you.

00:41:04.180 But I, I, I try to always with everything I do, even with the book, I try to unite all of those things, like your passion, your fantasy and your, and your actual purpose, right?

00:41:14.620 It's great.

00:41:15.440 Like they tell you, you know, if you do the things you like that you'll never work a day in your life.

00:41:19.500 Well, okay, but is that being secure or is that being, is that taking risks because you want to play to win, win life?

00:41:28.300 Or is that just because you want to be secure and where you're at?

00:41:31.380 And again, it goes back to what I was saying before is there's no such thing as contentment.

00:41:34.820 So just because like you start a business on like, you know, helping guys solve acne problems or something, a skincare kind of thing, that doesn't mean that you're not going to later start another business that might also be just as purposeful.

00:41:49.900 But I think right now that's probably your best option.

00:41:53.380 But what I found is like, I, like I said, I was telling Rich before I go from project to project to project and it is, it's just the doing, I think like, no, I never, I didn't set out to become a brand man.

00:42:08.060 I didn't go to school to be a brand manager for liquor brands or, or to be a writer.

00:42:12.920 I certainly, I didn't major in English, but it's something that I did.

00:42:16.820 And it, it, I became who I am.

00:42:19.260 I'm, I'm where I'm at right now because I got out there and I started doing stuff that, you know, that either I had a purpose for, I felt passionate about.

00:42:26.880 I just want to say one more thing before I let you go.

00:42:29.080 And this is going to be a very unpopular opinion.

00:42:31.260 I know I'm going to ruffle some feathers, but I tend to do that.

00:42:33.740 So why stop today?

00:42:35.240 Um, if, if you go and pursue something in football, let's say, I don't know, assistant coach, maybe you coach a certain element of the game.

00:42:45.300 Maybe you're doing something with stadiums.

00:42:47.980 I don't know.

00:42:48.880 Um, that, that wouldn't be nearly as close to playing to win as creating a successful skincare line for teenagers that solves acne simply because the guy that's playing to win in football is on the pitch and is the captain of the team.

00:43:05.280 Right.

00:43:06.040 So, um, you might find some happiness and some interest and success in it.

00:43:10.780 But one of the, one of the things that I noticed a lot about people that watch sports a ton is they're watching other people playing to win.

00:43:18.260 Right.

00:43:18.700 And they're often, you know, sitting behind a screen yelling at the TV, um, you know, with their buddies drinking beer and pretend, um, that's a really, that's a really, that's a really good observation because for all of those, for the, uh, the, the football side of things.

00:43:35.080 And the pilot, you are beholden to other people, you are working for someone else, right?

00:43:41.920 You're not in a, a position of being able to direct, you're not in a position of power.

00:43:46.880 The guy that, the guy that plays to win is on the podium and the, and the podium winner gets all of the eyeballs, right?

00:43:53.880 Yeah.

00:43:54.660 Doing the, doing the skincare thing makes you the director.

00:43:57.980 That makes you the guy that's making the decisions.

00:44:00.300 Whereas in those other, those other jobs, other people are making decisions for you.

00:44:05.200 There you go, Frederick.

00:44:05.780 Go chase it, brother.

00:44:07.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.500 Okay.

00:44:08.120 All right.

00:44:08.480 I'm going to let you go.

00:44:09.180 Good talking to you.

00:44:10.020 Makes room for somebody else.

00:44:10.920 Thanks.

00:44:11.680 Uh, I also want to throw up this comment here real quick.

00:44:14.300 Uh, those that are broke suggest money won't bring happiness.

00:44:17.140 I've had the money, lost it, was a lot happier, more relaxed with money.

00:44:21.180 Financial success is underrated.

00:44:23.740 Correct.

00:44:24.480 I co-signed that 100%.

00:44:26.200 Let's throw Colston on.

00:44:27.560 What's up, brother?

00:44:28.920 Hey, man.

00:44:30.620 Uh, a big fan of your work, Rolo.

00:44:32.860 Um, so basically my question comes down to, um, I have to set the scene a little bit.

00:44:38.740 Um, I'm 19 right now, about to turn 20.

00:44:41.100 Um, I'm working as a waiter and I work for my parents' office and they're both doctors and not happy in doing either job, basically dealing with people all the time.

00:44:50.360 Um, even though I'm learning how to deal with people, I definitely want to start my own business.

00:44:55.040 Um, I went to school for, I went to college for a year, but I dropped out.

00:44:59.420 I still have that debt.

00:45:01.280 Um, what I really like doing is sort of along the lines of what you like doing is design, graphics, um, those sorts of things.

00:45:08.340 And I'm even taking guitar lessons because a lot of people I hang out with now are in bands.

00:45:12.360 So I feel like I'm like little Rolo.

00:45:14.680 Yeah.

00:45:15.040 But, um, this is like, this is like right up your alley.

00:45:18.760 By the way, this, this, um, do your work piece of art.

00:45:21.600 That's what Colson sent over to me, the one that I shared, you know, the other day.

00:45:25.140 You have some talent.

00:45:26.700 Yeah.

00:45:26.840 Kids got some talent, man.

00:45:27.940 So Rolo, you've got the floor.

00:45:29.780 I've got nothing to add to this.

00:45:30.880 Well, I mean, but what do you want me to tell you?

00:45:32.300 Yeah.

00:45:32.520 I mean, go, go for it.

00:45:34.480 Um, I, I think that, uh, as I was telling Frederick before, um, getting out there and doing something, just because you set out to do one thing doesn't mean it doesn't lead to something else.

00:45:46.480 Um, this is what I, my daughter is 21 years old and this is what I've told her from the beginning.

00:45:51.320 It's like, I didn't set out to be an author.

00:45:54.520 Um, I set out to do certain things.

00:45:57.580 I, I have, um, I know what my core talents are.

00:46:01.220 Um, one thing I will tell you this is when I got in this, just, here's a little bit of, of insight or inside Rolo's head kind of thing.

00:46:08.880 Um, when I was 19, there's only one thing I really wanted to do.

00:46:12.880 And that was playing a band and get laid. 0.66

00:46:14.680 And those were the, those are the things that I was always on about, but everyone would tell me you're such a great artist.

00:46:20.440 You need to get into art.

00:46:21.400 You need to get into this.

00:46:22.500 You need to get into that.

00:46:23.500 Yeah.

00:46:23.640 And so people, because, uh, you want to know how I got into the graphic design?

00:46:27.880 Here's, here's the secret.

00:46:28.940 Um, I got into graphic design because whenever I was playing a gig, we had to put flyers out because this was before the internet.

00:46:34.640 Right.

00:46:35.440 And so you had to go and hand out flyers to everybody who was on the Hollywood strip or for, you know, you'd put them up on wherever you were, you know, you put them up on phone poles and stuff like that.

00:46:44.660 To, to let everybody know, because there was no internet and you couldn't do that.

00:46:47.760 So you had to build a following, like literally from grassroots.

00:46:51.580 Well, what I did was I started doing, I was using my artistic talents to make these flyers.

00:46:56.600 And what happened is other bands saw my flyers and they're like, dude, come over and do my flyer.

00:47:02.960 Please do my fire.

00:47:03.940 You're such a great artist.

00:47:04.880 So like, here I am trying to like make it as a musician, but everybody's like telling me to, to go this way.

00:47:10.760 Right.

00:47:11.140 To, to, to get into arts.

00:47:12.820 And so I had that then when I got into later on and I was in a university, that was my, it was very obvious for me that I was going to get a BFA.

00:47:21.240 Right.

00:47:22.020 And I wanted to, I wanted to use it in some capacity because I knew I was creative and I, I've used my creative talent in so many different ways, like visual talent, you know, or I can do video work.

00:47:35.000 I can do, um, you know, I can paint, I can sculpt, I can, there's lots of things that I can do creatively.

00:47:40.520 I can write creatively.

00:47:41.580 I can play music creatively.

00:47:42.860 So if you are a creative individual, don't think that you're only locked into one, one area.

00:47:49.820 I mean, if you're, if you're a virtuoso, if you're Eddie Van Halen, if you're like a virtuoso musician, yeah, folk go where your strengths are.

00:47:57.320 But if you're a creative person, you can use that creative talent in a lot of different ways.

00:48:02.380 So find out what, find out what the ways that you, that, you know, a lot of times people will just tell you, look, you know, your, your talents are right here.

00:48:09.980 You're a great, I can, I'll tell you this right now.

00:48:12.060 Just from looking at what, what, uh, Rich has in his wall back there.

00:48:15.740 You're passionate about it enough that you wanted to go and spend that.

00:48:18.480 Did you hand ink that ink that or how, how did you do that?

00:48:21.780 Yeah.

00:48:22.120 Yeah.

00:48:22.360 So you took a lot of time to put that thing.

00:48:25.200 That's like an original piece of art, right?

00:48:27.560 So, yes.

00:48:28.140 And people are telling you, you have a talent for that.

00:48:31.500 Direct it that way.

00:48:32.340 There was a time I wanted to be a comic book artist.

00:48:34.740 I, I, I really wish I would have like stuck at that a little bit. 0.98

00:48:37.440 It's like the, the payment is getting paid as shit, but it's. 0.97

00:48:41.000 Here's the thing about that today for artists. 0.98

00:48:43.060 Cause there's a lot of guys that are creative that, uh, don't do anything that they can do anything with it because that's where I'm at.

00:48:50.080 They've been told that there's no money in it or you can't monetize it or there's no way for you to be successful at it.

00:48:56.000 But we, but we live in a world today.

00:48:58.180 Like you, you could create graphic work that you could upload to YouTube or you'll press the same upload button that PewDiePie presses, that Rollo Tomasi presses, that I press, right?

00:49:12.000 It's all the same stuff.

00:49:13.320 So, um, you can go and broadcast whatever it is that you got.

00:49:17.460 If you got a little thing for it and people like it and you can build an audience off it, then you can always sell them something.

00:49:23.240 Cause people will pay for the convenience of getting certain things.

00:49:27.280 Like a lot of people will, uh, you know, they'll point and sputter at me and you charge too much money for your community.

00:49:32.140 It's like, well, don't come to it then.

00:49:33.940 Right.

00:49:34.140 I mean, the reason why I put the stuff behind, you know, behind the paywall and Colson's one of the guys behind the paywall, by the way, he's in my men's community.

00:49:41.100 Um, is because I can better organize the content that, you know, that I present.

00:49:44.620 So, you know, there's, there's like a sequence of things that you can drip out as an artist behind a paywall.

00:49:50.820 I have a guy that I, uh, coached a couple of years ago and he was a musician in, I think either Argentina or Chile, um, Queen's Tongue.

00:50:00.480 So I think he was either from Australia or New Zealand, maybe South Africa.

00:50:03.840 I can't remember, but, um, he ran this, uh, YouTube channel and he did, um, music for jazz.

00:50:10.780 Um, and when I started him out, he was like about 1900 subs and he's at like well over 140,000 now.

00:50:17.660 And that only took about a year.

00:50:19.560 And because of the stuff that he was putting out, he gave away lots of good free stuff again as an artist, but he put stuff behind a paywall that, that people could collaborate with him on.

00:50:29.280 Right.

00:50:29.940 So there's any number of things that you can do, man.

00:50:32.420 I mean, great art.

00:50:34.720 Um, but, but like, how do you multiply that?

00:50:36.920 Right.

00:50:37.140 I mean, is there a way, like, so here, so here's a potential business model for you.

00:50:42.680 What you did was you basically took all the sound bites that I've used and you put it on here.

00:50:47.680 Let me just grab it just so I can show you guys.

00:50:52.140 Yeah, this is good.

00:50:55.140 I'm glad to see some young guys in here today.

00:50:57.340 Yeah.

00:50:57.740 Yeah.

00:50:58.340 You're number three, man.

00:50:59.860 Yeah.

00:51:00.600 All right.

00:51:01.120 So we'll do this properly.

00:51:02.040 So you can see that there's little sound bites there, right?

00:51:04.340 Like, show me, um, and you know, pretty much like all this stuff that stuck out to you.

00:51:10.020 So a content creator, you know, for example, could take this, put it up on their website

00:51:16.460 and sell it to their audience.

00:51:17.680 Like I've already had people that have seen this DM me saying, where do I get a copy of

00:51:21.240 that?

00:51:21.420 How do I get a print?

00:51:22.540 So what you could do, Colson, is you could approach content creators that you like, take,

00:51:26.780 take your favorite sound bites, create a print, and then license a print.

00:51:30.700 They can either sell it off Teespring, you could create it like an online Shopify store

00:51:34.400 where people can buy it.

00:51:35.580 There's an affiliate commission.

00:51:37.460 Um, so don't think for a minute that just because you got a creative mind that you're

00:51:40.500 limited to, you know, living in a life of poverty.

00:51:43.380 Right.

00:51:43.640 Right.

00:51:44.560 I'm glad you said that because like, I, and I'm not, I'm not going to run them up the

00:51:48.760 flagpole, but like, I know Aaron Clary has, uh, uh, a book called like useless, right?

00:51:54.520 It's about these, these people like this generation of kids that were getting into college to get 0.79

00:52:00.700 a degree that didn't do anything for them.

00:52:02.840 So it's like, there's, and I, I, I was kind of sad about this because in the manosphere,

00:52:07.860 there was this push that says, you know, just don't go to college.

00:52:10.480 Just don't, you know, uh, don't major in liberal arts, don't major in art or something like

00:52:15.360 that.

00:52:15.620 And like, it's going to be useless.

00:52:16.920 So I'm like, well, that depends because my first degree is a BFA, the bachelor of fine

00:52:22.360 arts.

00:52:23.000 And I have used it pretty much every day of my life in, in various, you know, different

00:52:29.040 companies in different ways.

00:52:31.280 It's not necessarily like if you're, if you're a creative individual, it's not necessarily

00:52:35.640 your, your fate to be a quote unquote starving artist.

00:52:39.380 If you're organized, if you've got your shit together, if you have business acumen, if you 0.88

00:52:43.640 are like, listen to rich here, if you have a, if you have a direction and a purpose for 0.97

00:52:48.380 that art, you are, you are ahead of the guys who don't have that artistic talent, who are

00:52:53.440 struggling to try to make it work.

00:52:55.920 There are two kinds of artists.

00:52:57.140 I'm going to say, here's, here's my, my last word of wisdom to you.

00:53:00.120 One of my art teachers told me that she said, there's two kinds of artists.

00:53:03.320 There are artists that were born that way, like with a God given talent, they have, they

00:53:07.320 have it and they were born to do that.

00:53:09.000 And they're good because of that.

00:53:10.700 And then there's the guys who are really great artists, but don't have that talent, but they

00:53:15.040 love it so much that they get, they become good at it.

00:53:19.220 And those, those tend to be like the more technical artists, as opposed to the ones who

00:53:22.180 are a little bit more like free form and really passionate, I'm passionate, but like a little

00:53:26.820 more invested, I think of the people with the natural talent.

00:53:30.000 So, but for both of those guys, the only, the, the dividing line is between a starving

00:53:34.980 artist and a successful productive artist is while doing the work.

00:53:39.100 Right.

00:53:39.380 And it is finding ways to direct that energy.

00:53:43.520 Like I said, you, you have this energy, you have this, um, you have this pool of talent.

00:53:48.660 How are you going to use that talent?

00:53:50.440 Are you going to direct your, are you going to use it on your own by your own power?

00:53:55.620 Are you going to allow other people to use it, you know, for you?

00:53:59.000 So those are some decisions that you need to make, but you don't have to be a starving

00:54:02.380 artist.

00:54:02.680 You just have to find a way in a direction.

00:54:04.400 And there's another great, uh, I, all of anybody watching this, there's a really great

00:54:08.400 books called mastery by, uh, Robert Green.

00:54:11.220 Yeah, I got it.

00:54:11.740 Awesome.

00:54:12.200 Awesome book.

00:54:13.000 And that will help you.

00:54:15.120 I, I, when I was reading this, I'm like, damn, I wish I would have had this when I was

00:54:17.860 19 because it would have helped me direct my, my talent in a, in a way that it would have 0.76

00:54:22.120 been more productive.

00:54:23.100 Yeah.

00:54:23.520 And, uh, just to kind of like plug this, there's an Amazon storefront, which I'm going to link

00:54:28.340 in the description of all my videos going forward.

00:54:31.120 That's one of the books that I recommend in that storefront.

00:54:33.920 Um, so definitely grab mastery by Robert Green.

00:54:37.000 It's a great piece.

00:54:37.860 You cool, Colson?

00:54:39.240 Okay.

00:54:39.600 I appreciate it.

00:54:40.600 All right, man.

00:54:41.040 Thanks.

00:54:41.520 See you later.

00:54:42.480 All right.

00:54:43.160 Uh, let's throw Georgie on now. 0.94

00:54:46.000 Georgie.

00:54:46.840 Hello, guys.

00:54:48.200 Hey.

00:54:49.400 First of all, I would say thank you guys for doing this.

00:54:52.400 And I know both of your works.

00:54:54.760 So I read your book as well.

00:54:56.020 And it's very funny that you guys mentioned, um, you know, Robert Green, because this guy

00:55:00.660 is my favorite author.

00:55:01.880 And I know every single, I read every single book of his expect 50 cent or whatever.

00:55:07.180 Um, and so basically today's question, my question is about money, right?

00:55:12.780 And the topic of this video is like, does money bring happiness?

00:55:15.740 And I kind of want to comment about this and say that money does bring happiness because

00:55:21.040 it gives us choices, uh, that's the way to, uh, provide our happiness, right?

00:55:26.080 So I, I want you guys, um, you know, kind of comment on it.

00:55:29.280 What do you guys think about it and what are your thoughts?

00:55:31.420 Yeah, we kind of covered that at the early bit of the show.

00:55:33.440 I don't know if you caught it, but it, but it brings you the flexibility to make choices,

00:55:38.080 say no to people.

00:55:38.860 It gives you the ability to raise the middle finger and tell somebody to pound sand, uh,

00:55:42.620 which you've seen me do before.

00:55:45.320 Um, like it's, it's just a tool that allows you to leverage and optimize your own choices

00:55:53.640 and happiness.

00:55:54.920 Okay.

00:55:55.800 Um, it removes obstacles, things that get in your way, things that can bother you.

00:55:59.980 It's useful.

00:56:00.780 Trust me.

00:56:01.200 I mean, you're not going to be like, you can't buy happiness by buying a car or a house or a

00:56:06.700 boat.

00:56:07.340 You know, whenever you talk to a guy, well, whenever you talk to a guy that's got a boat, you know,

00:56:11.480 they're always like, well, you know, my two happiest days were the day that I got it and

00:56:14.940 the day that I got rid of it sort of thing.

00:56:16.340 Right.

00:56:17.100 Um, but the experiences that they kind of have in between, you know, they're, you know, they're

00:56:21.420 out with the kids, they're doing some tubing, they got some friends over, they do a little

00:56:24.160 barbecue.

00:56:24.560 Like they have, you know, they have opportunities to have those experiences, but it's not the

00:56:28.080 item itself that brings happiness.

00:56:29.700 It's the experiences and the people that you bring into that environment that allow you

00:56:33.380 to create those memories, which create the happiness, if that makes sense to you.

00:56:37.000 Uh, I mean, uh, for example, the, have a better house, doesn't that makes you happier?

00:56:45.740 What's that?

00:56:46.300 If you have a better house, does it make you happier?

00:56:48.740 I had a, I had a custom house that I built before this one, when I was married, did not

00:56:54.540 make me happier.

00:56:55.780 I'm far happier in this house than I was in the monstrosity that I created when I got

00:57:00.660 married.

00:57:00.980 Beautiful custom bill.

00:57:03.420 Like everybody that came over, Oh wow, look at the 10 foot ceilings and the chandeliers

00:57:06.500 and the curtains.

00:57:07.380 Nobody cares.

00:57:08.480 I forget where they did this research, but somebody, somebody was saying to me that after

00:57:12.560 a certain amount of money, your quality of life does not improve any more than, than

00:57:19.860 it would have.

00:57:20.960 If you did that, is that what it is?

00:57:22.760 I don't know.

00:57:23.240 It really depends.

00:57:25.140 You've heard that before, right?

00:57:26.160 Yeah.

00:57:26.320 Like if you're in New York city, I'm sure it's a lot more, but on average in North

00:57:30.660 America, it's about 80,000.

00:57:31.920 And after that money doesn't, doesn't tend to bring you happiness.

00:57:35.160 It's, it's, it's just how you use it after that.

00:57:37.440 Right.

00:57:37.900 And like I would say, like I was saying before, money is potential.

00:57:42.640 It's something that you can use to make something else happen.

00:57:45.760 So once you've got a nice house, you're in a comfortable house where you're at and you

00:57:50.360 have that kind of money, what are you going to do with it at that point?

00:57:54.380 You have all this potential, what are you going to do with that potential?

00:57:57.200 So you see somebody like, what are you saying?

00:58:00.220 Bill Gates is, you know, what does he do with that, with the money?

00:58:03.560 He doesn't, he's got more money than he'll ever need or ever spend.

00:58:07.060 What do you do with that?

00:58:08.420 His, his creature comforts and everything else are completely taken care of.

00:58:12.960 What are you going to do with all of that?

00:58:14.440 Where are you going to, you know, how are you going to apply that?

00:58:17.320 He's not eating caviar every day.

00:58:18.980 You ask him his favorite food is it's a hamburger.

00:58:20.720 It's not like, yeah, exactly.

00:58:21.940 And he's not, yeah, exactly.

00:58:23.820 You're still going to eat a cheeseburger and you're still going to, you know, you're still 0.99

00:58:28.480 going to wipe your ass the same way you did, whether you're a billionaire or not. 0.99

00:58:32.900 But what are you going to do with the potential that you have? 1.00

00:58:38.020 I think is the, is the key there.

00:58:40.300 And what can you, what can you continue to do?

00:58:42.660 I always said this, like when I hit, when I hit 50 years old, I decided for myself, do I,

00:58:48.100 what do I want to do, do I want to be the guy who's known for, you know, making some

00:58:53.680 really nice liquor bottles and, and, and helping people have a good time in bars?

00:58:57.720 Or do I want to be a guy who put a dent in the universe by writing a book that saves men's

00:59:02.500 lives and, and improves their lives and, you know, keeps, you know, keeps the guns out of

00:59:08.620 their mouth kind of thing.

00:59:09.560 And so my decision at that point is like, I I'm at a point financially where I can, I've

00:59:15.640 got money that I can point in a direction and make something happen with that money.

00:59:20.220 So, um, so that's what I choose to do.

00:59:23.120 I choose to write books.

00:59:24.360 I choose to do one.

00:59:25.220 I, that's why two years ago I decided that I wanted to go public and come on shows and

00:59:30.120 talk and show my face because I knew that if I didn't, um, nothing, nothing gets done,

00:59:35.840 you know, and at what point is it important to leave your mark?

00:59:39.640 Like what kind of legacy are you going to leave?

00:59:41.820 And sometimes it requires money to leave a legacy.

00:59:45.000 Yeah.

00:59:45.140 Yeah.

00:59:45.340 I mean, kind of with my question, what I mean is that, I mean, money gives the opportunity

00:59:49.560 to say to people like a few, right? 1.00

00:59:51.740 Fuck you. 1.00

00:59:52.280 Fuck you money. 1.00

00:59:52.840 And that's what I mean. 1.00

00:59:54.920 $2 million.

00:59:56.260 Yeah.

00:59:56.760 If you were to say, right, people, you know, like a few, uh, and your, your, your happiness

01:00:01.700 would like become better, right?

01:00:03.360 Like, you know, they're just saying, right.

01:00:05.360 If you are depressed, you are not depressed.

01:00:07.280 Just look around and see what kind of people you are in.

01:00:09.980 Right.

01:00:10.580 So when I, when I say that, uh, you know, money brings, really makes you happy.

01:00:14.580 Uh, like not only it provides you with better options for yourself, it also gives you a

01:00:19.580 opportunity to say no to things that you don't like.

01:00:22.320 Correct.

01:00:23.300 And this is where it comes down and what I mean.

01:00:25.920 Correct.

01:00:26.580 So, yeah.

01:00:27.180 All right.

01:00:27.640 Thanks for hopping on, Georgie.

01:00:29.060 Okay.

01:00:29.580 Bye.

01:00:30.640 Yeah.

01:00:31.080 Um, there's nothing more satisfying than being able to use F you money and tell somebody

01:00:37.920 to go pound sand.

01:00:39.080 You know, I'll tell you this is I I've heard that a lot.

01:00:41.560 You know, I seen that.

01:00:42.520 What was that?

01:00:42.880 It was in the gambler or something like that.

01:00:45.220 That's been mentioned a few times.

01:00:46.420 The F you money.

01:00:46.940 Yeah.

01:00:47.240 So, so F you money is like $2 million.

01:00:49.920 And I, I've found this.

01:00:51.740 Is that all it is?

01:00:52.240 Just $2 million?

01:00:52.800 I think that's what they were saying.

01:00:54.220 It was, it's basically you have, you got, you buy your house outright.

01:00:57.440 You've got a car, you're pretty much set for the rest of your life with just this, this

01:01:02.780 amount of money so that if you want to get involved in something, I guess, I guess if

01:01:06.920 you live like a pretty minimized lifestyle, you could, you could have a few money at $2.

01:01:11.220 Let me, let me ask you this question because I found this, uh, once I got to the point 0.97

01:01:17.240 where I was able to, I don't have fuck you money, but I am comfortable enough to not 0.97

01:01:24.360 have to work in a nine to five when I made that transition, when I finally said, you 0.98

01:01:29.080 know what I can, I I'm fairly, first of all, I had to talk my wife into it.

01:01:33.340 Right.

01:01:33.520 Because I had to say, look, this is how we're going to live right now.

01:01:36.640 This is how, this is where I'm going.

01:01:38.040 And this is how we're going to live right now because I feel like I can do this.

01:01:42.400 And I did, and I pulled this off.

01:01:43.840 Right.

01:01:44.100 And so, so I, that's, that, that was one, one topic I wanted to talk about is that,

01:01:49.940 you know, when you are living with somebody and you switch over or you add a lot of money

01:01:54.680 to a couple that changes the dynamic in that couple, but also, and this is the question 0.99

01:01:59.200 I have for you is when you got to the point where you had, let's just say you had fuck 0.91

01:02:04.660 you money or let's, you got to the point where you don't have to go to work nine to 0.98

01:02:09.160 five and you can set your own hours.

01:02:10.740 Did you find that you had to be more responsible and more disciplined and more regiment after

01:02:17.700 that, because that's the thing that got me is when I started, when I shifted over into

01:02:22.980 doing what it is I do now, um, I felt that like I used to have to get up at like five

01:02:29.120 30 in the morning, every morning, because I had to get to the gym because it was, it's

01:02:32.880 not because I was disciplined because that was the only time I could go.

01:02:36.300 And so I would get there.

01:02:37.940 I had to go.

01:02:38.480 I knew what my commute was going to be.

01:02:40.000 I knew when I was going to arrive.

01:02:41.400 I knew what my projects were.

01:02:43.160 I knew that, you know, I was going to have a three day weekend instead of a two day weekend.

01:02:47.220 And, and so you, you live life according to that regimen.

01:02:51.580 And when that's taken away, I find that that's when guys fall into bad habits. 1.00

01:02:57.500 That's when they lose their shit. 1.00

01:02:59.480 Yeah. 1.00

01:02:59.700 Like, I'll tell you what I've noticed.

01:03:00.960 So yes.

01:03:02.000 Um, yes.

01:03:04.120 Uh, the, the followup to that though is, um, here's the thing.

01:03:11.400 How can I put this?

01:03:12.440 Um, well, I think the fantasy is that, well, once I've got all this money, then I can do

01:03:18.880 what I want.

01:03:19.840 Well, at some point you got to come to the realization that you can't screw it up.

01:03:23.200 Like I was talking to Aaron Cleary about this.

01:03:24.860 I think we were doing a show on his channel once we were just kind of shooting, shooting

01:03:28.280 the breeze.

01:03:28.680 And it's like, you know, after a certain point when you've made, made bank and you figured

01:03:35.140 out how it works and you figured out how you can leverage it to have a happier life, you

01:03:41.020 also have to figure out how to not screw it up.

01:03:44.980 Um, cause when you're a young man, like when you're 25 years old, you can screw up and

01:03:48.480 recover in five, 10 years.

01:03:49.640 No problem.

01:03:50.060 Right.

01:03:50.920 Um, when you're an older guy, it's harder to recover, especially if you're married to,

01:03:55.220 cause if you're married and you screw up, that's when the talks clocks ticking.

01:03:58.680 That's when her hypergamy is kicking in and she's starting to maybe chat ups, you know, Kevin

01:04:03.480 from sales sort of thing if you don't get it back together.

01:04:06.180 So, um, you certainly want, like you can't relax.

01:04:10.020 I don't relax anyway.

01:04:11.100 Like I, I probably work more and harder today than what I did 15 years ago.

01:04:17.020 I don't think there's any question in my mind, even, even in my startup phase of my first

01:04:21.700 successful business, I probably work more in heart, which is funny cause my brother comes

01:04:27.100 over like family events and he's like, so what's it like being retired?

01:04:29.940 You know, you don't do anything all day, do you?

01:04:31.560 Cause you're, you know, you're at home.

01:04:33.600 Pretty much every day of the week, except for one day when you come into the office.

01:04:36.700 Right.

01:04:37.420 But they don't get that.

01:04:39.560 I'm that I'm on all the time.

01:04:41.200 Sometimes I'm lying at, like I have a notepad beside my bed.

01:04:44.040 Cause sometimes I'm lying in bed and I'm trying to fall asleep and I can't cause I'm, cause 0.98

01:04:47.040 I'm thinking through shit. 0.99

01:04:48.260 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:48.900 And I'll like literally have to like get it out of my head and write it down so that I

01:04:53.580 can go to sleep.

01:04:54.700 I have four of them like right here on the table, but yeah, I, I feel you.

01:04:58.480 I have to do the same thing because if I don't, I'll forget it in the morning.

01:05:01.420 And yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:05:02.900 So yeah, it's, you're like always on.

01:05:06.080 I mean, like it never ends Hunter.

01:05:07.640 What's up, man?

01:05:09.340 Hey, how's it going?

01:05:10.400 Hey, good brother.

01:05:11.300 All right.

01:05:11.520 So, uh, originally I had a question for a role of Tomasi about his book and specifically

01:05:16.200 his audio book, but I got so, uh, involved with like, listen, you guys talk about art

01:05:21.580 and chasing excellence and, and all that.

01:05:24.000 And I, I wanted to, to touch on kind of the actual topic of the podcast tonight, which was,

01:05:29.620 uh, does money by happiness.

01:05:31.300 And to me, the advice that I've gotten, and I've, I've talked to a few entrepreneurs myself.

01:05:38.880 Um, and what I've heard is that, um, motivation doesn't really matter, right?

01:05:45.340 Um, motivation gets you to discipline and it's discipline that picks you up and gets you to

01:05:51.020 where you need to be.

01:05:51.940 You're not going to be motivated every day.

01:05:53.880 I wasn't motivated to work out today, but I knew that as soon as I got there, um, and

01:06:00.240 once I started working out, uh, I was going to feel better about the day and I was going

01:06:04.400 to feel more productive having done something for the day.

01:06:06.900 So it's that discipline that gets you somewhere.

01:06:09.000 And it's the same way.

01:06:10.380 It's the same aspect with money, buying happiness.

01:06:13.240 Money is not going to buy you happiness.

01:06:15.040 Money is like motivation.

01:06:16.740 Money will get you to the discipline and then getting that discipline where we'll get to

01:06:22.540 you to where you want to be in life.

01:06:24.240 That's kind of what I believe.

01:06:26.860 Um, what I wanted to ask you, I don't know if you guys agree with that or not, but, um,

01:06:31.780 what I wanted to ask you about Rolo is kind of, um, so I have this, like these art pieces

01:06:37.620 in the background here, that one's a rich, um, but I've, I've been doing all these pieces

01:06:44.560 and I've been trying to like, I can, I can whip them out pretty easily.

01:06:48.320 Right.

01:06:48.680 So I got one of star Wars there and I've got cowboy here and all this stuff.

01:06:54.520 I can make these art pieces and I'm kind of catering to like a pop culture audience.

01:07:00.380 And I'm kind of just wondering how to get myself exposed out there and get started.

01:07:04.640 I'll give you a, that's what I want to do.

01:07:06.440 I'll give you a real good idea.

01:07:07.940 This guy, and he's not a personal friend, but just sort of an acquaintance.

01:07:11.820 There's this guy online and he's on Facebook and he is on, I know he's on YouTube, but he

01:07:17.400 does something similar as he's, it's called paint the trail or something like that.

01:07:22.020 And he's the only reason I know about him is because he's into greyhounds and stuff as

01:07:25.960 well.

01:07:26.320 But what he does is very similar to what you do is he will create these images of like

01:07:31.140 pop culture.

01:07:32.220 And then he jumps on whatever, um, like whatever.

01:07:37.700 Like YouTube channel or whatever media that he can get onto.

01:07:42.780 And so he'll be talking about one thing and then he will take that one topic that he's

01:07:49.300 talking about. 0.96

01:07:50.220 That's a big ass glass. 0.98

01:07:51.960 Uh, this one, this one, whatever, whatever he is talking about. 0.89

01:07:58.400 And then he will use that as a, to be like subjective.

01:08:03.160 So if he's talking about something on the YouTube channel or whatever it is, is he's

01:08:08.120 that he's doing, then he will switch the conversation over.

01:08:11.700 And now we're going to paint this.

01:08:13.060 And he's, he's almost like Bob Ross in a sense, because he's like sort of talking while he's

01:08:17.000 creating art, but he does, uh, like pictures of art.

01:08:20.800 He does art of like actors and singers and like anything that's like sort of pop culture.

01:08:25.380 Like, well, you had Clint Eastwood up there.

01:08:27.320 Um, very similar to that.

01:08:29.340 And he has a very, he has very distinct style, but it's called paint the trail and he's out

01:08:33.740 of Florida.

01:08:34.400 I know he's out of Orlando, Florida, but go look up that guy and look what he's doing

01:08:39.640 because very similar in, in comparison to what you're doing right now.

01:08:43.580 It's called paint the trail.

01:08:44.840 And I wish, I wish I had the guys.

01:08:46.440 I should probably look at a, um, really good.

01:08:49.520 So I guess, um, my question isn't so like I've, I have my own, um, YouTube channel right

01:08:56.440 now it's more of like doing YouTube tutorials and just like right now, the real problem

01:09:01.460 with YouTube tutorials and it is every single one is like by a guy with like a really thick

01:09:09.100 accent and you can't really understand the, like what they're talking about.

01:09:13.160 And so what I tried to do is like take that niche market and say like, okay, I know it,

01:09:17.880 I know what they were doing.

01:09:18.940 I understand it.

01:09:19.540 I can explain it better.

01:09:20.580 And I also have an accent that people can understand.

01:09:24.340 Here, I just found it.

01:09:26.100 His name is Jeff Sonkson or something like that.

01:09:29.120 Just look, you know, if you put paint the trail in, uh, in Google, you'll find this guy

01:09:34.160 and you'll see exactly what he, he paints on, he paints murals.

01:09:37.080 Sometimes he'll do like, uh, he'll paint on like fences and things like that.

01:09:41.860 And, uh, really good.

01:09:43.240 Look at this dude.

01:09:44.220 This is, you want a model or like what you can do with this stuff.

01:09:48.060 This is what you can do.

01:09:49.620 Okay.

01:09:50.320 I guess my question, and I do like that.

01:09:52.760 It's helpful.

01:09:53.240 So my question to, I guess, both to you is, you know, um, what did you guys do besides

01:09:59.700 like the YouTube channel?

01:10:01.000 You know, what did you guys do to kind of like market yourself and put yourself out there?

01:10:05.960 And how can I kind of mimic that and do it myself?

01:10:08.420 Cause I want to get out there.

01:10:09.880 Well, that's the beauty of YouTube is, is you have a good story to tell if you have like,

01:10:16.480 like people either go to YouTube to, uh, learn something or to be entertained.

01:10:21.460 Right.

01:10:22.500 Like, um, a Casey Neistat video or daily driven exotics, for example, is an entertainment

01:10:28.500 channel.

01:10:28.920 Right.

01:10:29.600 There's, there's not a lot of education you're going to get out of that.

01:10:32.560 Sometimes they'll have, you know, educational conversations, but people, people more often

01:10:37.760 that will go to YouTube to be entertained more than anything.

01:10:40.280 Like the educational stuff, they're like the vast majority of the population right now 0.98

01:10:45.580 is watching a slime video or some fucking family vlog on YouTube. 0.99

01:10:51.600 Right. 1.00

01:10:52.200 They're not watching this.

01:10:53.380 I mean, we've only got 570 viewers currently right now, so they're not watching this.

01:10:57.320 Right.

01:10:57.660 They're watching entertainment cause they want to like zone out, put their feet up and,

01:11:01.980 you know, play not to lose.

01:11:03.480 Right.

01:11:03.740 So, um, to, to build an audience, you have to do something that is either entertaining

01:11:10.420 or educational educational is harder to do.

01:11:12.740 I mean, that's what we're doing here right now.

01:11:14.420 It's a, it's a longer, slower run.

01:11:16.580 I've seen YouTube channels blow up to a million subscribers in six months because, because of

01:11:21.680 vlogging, because of entertainment aspects of it.

01:11:24.060 So if you really want to grow fast, I would say entertain them somehow.

01:11:28.040 Mm-hmm and you'll know because you'll get traction like quickly, right?

01:11:32.220 Like, like people will obviously dig it and you probably got a better chance of recommendation

01:11:37.360 to other viewers on YouTube with the current algorithms with an entertainment type of channel.

01:11:42.520 You'll never see an education.

01:11:44.100 Well, it's very rare that you'll see an educational video on the trending page of YouTube.

01:11:49.200 It's mostly entertainment stuff, right?

01:11:51.460 Yeah.

01:11:52.060 Okay.

01:11:52.380 Yeah, that's true.

01:11:53.200 And then the other question I had for you specifically Rolo is, uh, it's more about your book.

01:11:57.000 Um, well, your audio book.

01:11:58.980 So when you're, when you're going through like audible, um, do they let you pick the, cause

01:12:05.460 I know you didn't voice it, right?

01:12:06.920 It was someone else.

01:12:07.680 Sam Bata.

01:12:08.320 Sam Bata.

01:12:09.100 He was my voice talent.

01:12:11.280 Did you get to pick the talent?

01:12:13.740 Mm-hmm.

01:12:14.240 Yeah.

01:12:14.700 In fact, I specifically picked Sam Bata for that.

01:12:17.600 First of all, Sam Bata is a, that's, he's a professional voice talent.

01:12:22.220 That's, he's the guy that like you would listen to in the movie trailers.

01:12:25.800 Behold, you know, he'd be like, you know, he'd be like, you know,

01:12:26.980 he had this really, very, you know, operatic kind of, uh, you know, Shakespearean voice.

01:12:32.280 Um, but he, um, he has been a fan of mine even since before I had a book.

01:12:38.540 And so we were friends before that.

01:12:39.920 And I said, you know, when I do a book, I'm going to do the audio book.

01:12:42.320 And he, he insisted, he said, I really want to do this book.

01:12:45.140 And then he ended up, um, getting in a hit and run accident.

01:12:48.660 And he had, um, some, he had really had to teach himself how to speak again because he

01:12:54.200 had some neurological damage done to him.

01:12:56.400 Okay.

01:12:56.680 And so I literally, I literally waited a year to get the first audio book done because he

01:13:04.600 had to go through all of this therapy, like speech therapy and all this other stuff so

01:13:08.100 that he could even get to the point where he could read the book and, and, you know, translate

01:13:12.940 it and re, you know, whatever we could record it.

01:13:15.460 And so, um, so that's how that worked out.

01:13:18.280 And then I had him read the other, the other two after that as well, because people, I got

01:13:23.040 such a good response from that.

01:13:24.720 I thought it was, it was, it was fitting and a similar situation for each of the books that

01:13:29.700 I've written a year later, the audio book comes out because it takes him that long to

01:13:34.000 do it.

01:13:35.100 Um, but I think it's worth it.

01:13:36.920 And so that's why I stick with it.

01:13:38.340 And I split royalties with him as well.

01:13:40.900 So, um, yeah, he's got a great voice.

01:13:43.760 And like, I, I wanted to know more about the process of that because, uh, I do, in addition

01:13:48.720 to doing art, I do some writing myself.

01:13:51.300 Uh, that's, uh, that's also, I was going to say, reading books, if you have a good voice

01:13:55.260 and you can read a book, that's a new, uh, job description these days.

01:14:00.880 People like you can get into self-publishing.

01:14:03.060 That's another thing about like what Rich was saying right now, we live in a time where it's

01:14:07.280 never been easier to do things to be like right now.

01:14:11.560 The only time I could publish this book is now, because if I was to take this to a traditional 0.96

01:14:17.400 publishing house, they'd be like, get the fuck out of here. 0.98

01:14:20.080 Yeah. 0.94

01:14:20.240 They would, they would not do it.

01:14:21.840 So we, we finally live in an age of technology where I can do print on demand also for doing

01:14:28.080 audio books.

01:14:29.320 Uh, I could probably do an audio book right here in this studio if I, if I was, you know,

01:14:34.500 audio talent or whatever.

01:14:36.740 Um, and so it's never been easier to do those things by, you know, for maybe 500 bucks, you

01:14:42.040 can suddenly get into that and you can make good money on that.

01:14:45.100 If you are a good reader, if you have some sort of, it almost, it's like an, almost like

01:14:49.740 an acting skill really.

01:14:51.540 Um, but that's another job you can do.

01:14:54.140 I would, um, I would tell authors this though.

01:14:56.920 Um, like it was, it was really strange meeting Rolo in person because I didn't recognize

01:15:03.720 him.

01:15:04.740 Um, I didn't like his voice meant nothing to me.

01:15:07.640 To me, when I met Rolo, Sam, Sam Botta was Rolo.

01:15:12.020 Was the voice of Rolo.

01:15:13.260 Yeah.

01:15:13.460 Because I had listened to his voice so much that it was like, I connected Rolo Tomasi with

01:15:19.820 Sam Botta.

01:15:21.260 Rolo walks up to me and like punches me in the stomach and I'm like, who's this guy?

01:15:24.600 I don't, I don't recognize him.

01:15:25.760 You know, he starts talking, his voice means like nothing, like there's no connection.

01:15:29.040 Right.

01:15:29.480 I always tell authors now, um, read your own book if you can't.

01:15:33.960 Um, like, I like, unless you're Rolo Tomasi, don't read.

01:15:37.120 Well, I think Rolo should read one of his books anyway.

01:15:40.660 I will.

01:15:41.000 I'm probably, I'm probably going to read the fourth book.

01:15:43.680 So yeah, you should, and you should put it on YouTube.

01:15:45.780 And I also think that, uh, I think you should talk more about, uh, um, about Sam and, you

01:15:52.140 know, tell us, tell us kind of story there, because the reason why I brought up the, the

01:15:55.540 question was because I was like, this guy's got a great voice in one chapter and then

01:15:59.880 another chapter after that, it'll sound like, uh, he's got, uh, got like something going

01:16:04.220 on with the speech.

01:16:05.000 And I was like, what is that?

01:16:05.600 Yeah, you can tell he's struggling.

01:16:06.340 I want to know.

01:16:06.960 Yeah.

01:16:07.280 I want to know more about that.

01:16:08.640 And I thought it was, when you were talking about it, I thought it was way more.

01:16:11.160 Sam's probably watching.

01:16:12.240 He's probably watching right now.

01:16:13.400 If he's not, uh, that's actually not a bad idea.

01:16:15.860 As long as he's cool with it, you know, tell his story.

01:16:18.620 You've got a, you've got a big voice and you've got a big following, you know, it's

01:16:21.580 a good idea.

01:16:22.120 Might be worth it.

01:16:23.200 Yeah.

01:16:23.400 You should put them on one of your regular broadcasts.

01:16:25.200 Yeah.

01:16:25.320 I'll take, I'll, maybe I'll bring them on on Wednesday and we'll just do a whole episode

01:16:28.620 about how we sort of came together.

01:16:31.320 So you should.

01:16:32.260 All right.

01:16:32.520 I think a lot of, Oh, I just want to say one last thing.

01:16:35.320 And then, um, I think a lot of people, you know, enjoy one thing that I've noticed about

01:16:40.200 YouTube is, uh, you guys are like the, you're like the internet superheroes.

01:16:45.420 Right.

01:16:45.820 And so everybody wants to hear like the backstory they want, they want your origins, origin

01:16:51.720 story.

01:16:52.800 Yeah.

01:16:54.400 I think you should give the viewers that.

01:16:56.180 And I think a lot of people like that about Rich's content is because he brings it out.

01:16:59.360 He says like, you know, this is where I've been, I've, I've been divorced.

01:17:02.520 I have a kid now.

01:17:03.700 And these are all the things I've done.

01:17:05.220 And I think that's how his following kind of gathers.

01:17:08.400 Cause people knew like they could put a face to him.

01:17:11.020 They know what he's saying.

01:17:12.200 And they're also like, okay. 1.00

01:17:14.220 People can usually tell when you're authentic and when you're full of shit. 1.00

01:17:17.320 Right. 1.00

01:17:17.640 I mean, yeah, not always.

01:17:19.820 I mean, there's some content creators out there that rip off material from other people

01:17:23.420 and they'll pass it off as their own.

01:17:26.040 And some people swallow it hook, line and sinker.

01:17:28.320 But when you start telling like authentic real stories about your own struggles and experiences

01:17:33.320 in your own life, you get a pretty good connection.

01:17:36.780 And so that's definitely something else to consider too.

01:17:39.040 For sure.

01:17:39.960 All right, dude.

01:17:41.320 Thanks, man.

01:17:42.120 Thanks.

01:17:42.720 Thanks for the art too.

01:17:44.660 See you, man.

01:17:45.900 All right.

01:17:46.500 Let me just deal with these super chats real quick just to acknowledge them.

01:17:50.120 Five bucks from Crispy in Philly.

01:17:51.500 Thanks, brother.

01:17:51.960 And there was another one here, I think, with a question.

01:17:54.780 I noticed money doesn't change you, but it changes people around you.

01:17:59.020 Yeah.

01:17:59.180 One of the things that you'll notice when you start to become successful and you've accumulated

01:18:03.480 some wealth and you're playing to win is people that you haven't talked to in a while.

01:18:08.600 They'll start reaching out to you.

01:18:10.180 Hey, how you been?

01:18:11.140 I haven't talked to you in a while.

01:18:12.220 What have you been up to?

01:18:13.260 You know, I was doing such and such on my phone and they recommended one of your videos

01:18:17.320 to me.

01:18:17.640 I didn't know you were doing that.

01:18:18.600 That's really cool.

01:18:19.500 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:18:20.260 Right?

01:18:20.580 Yeah.

01:18:20.720 Or they see you with something new or you're driving a new truck or something.

01:18:24.840 Oh, that's great.

01:18:25.720 Yeah.

01:18:26.080 How much you pay for that?

01:18:27.160 Yeah.

01:18:27.580 Or I'll tell you, I liked what you were saying before about how when you make your own hours, 0.92

01:18:34.820 everybody wants your freaking time, man. 0.93

01:18:37.320 They go, you don't work, man. 0.98

01:18:38.740 Can you go and pick up so-and-so from school? 1.00

01:18:40.960 Can you go and go to the grocery store and pick this shit up? 1.00

01:18:43.700 And it's like, you're their gopher all of a sudden. 0.99

01:18:46.960 It's like, no, I'm writing books. 1.00

01:18:49.280 Well, you're just sitting up there on your ass. 1.00

01:18:51.500 No, I'm not. 1.00

01:18:52.300 I'm actually doing work.

01:18:53.560 Yeah.

01:18:53.760 You're just a talking head on YouTube, right?

01:18:55.260 They don't know.

01:18:55.960 Yeah.

01:18:56.200 You just go out there and you use crayons and paint pretty pictures. 1.00

01:19:01.160 No, I'm actually a working asshole. 1.00

01:19:03.320 Keep telling yourself that, sweetheart. 1.00

01:19:04.780 What's up, Ryan?

01:19:06.040 Hey.

01:19:06.500 How are you guys doing tonight?

01:19:07.600 Doing good, brother.

01:19:08.520 Doing good, good, good.

01:19:09.500 So you guys have mentioned earlier about that sort of transition from being a full-time

01:19:13.420 employee, doing your own thing.

01:19:14.760 I dropped a link in the show there for a guy by the name of Mad Scientist.

01:19:19.440 He's one of the big guys in the financial independence, retirement early sort of sphere.

01:19:23.520 Got several different writings on what it's like to do that transition.

01:19:26.620 I think I just thought that might be something you guys were interested in.

01:19:29.660 So the question that I have tonight is kind of playing to win when you're not an entrepreneur,

01:19:33.760 not a creative type, don't really want to do the business thing.

01:19:36.280 Um, I've been in the contracting and military world for about 22 years.

01:19:40.680 I'm very much the behind the scenes, get things done, make things happen kind of guy.

01:19:44.620 I'm not a real creative. 0.68

01:19:45.480 I don't want to building widgets would drive me up the freaking wall.

01:19:49.260 Now, personally, I've been looking at, uh, I'm probably going to start going back to school

01:19:52.960 next semester for a master's in social work.

01:19:54.640 So I could start doing things like, um, therapy and counseling.

01:19:58.300 Cause obviously there's a lot of guys out there that, uh, really have a need for that,

01:20:02.340 not just in the atmosphere, but you know, in the world at large.

01:20:04.900 And I think that'd be a lot better way to have an impact on a personal level.

01:20:08.760 But I was wondering if you guys could talk a bit about, you know, playing to win and pursuing

01:20:12.820 that, uh, impact in the world without it being in that business context or without it being

01:20:16.500 in the, you know, content creation sort of sphere.

01:20:21.640 What do you think Roland?

01:20:23.220 Um, well, see, this is like, it's funny.

01:20:26.440 This is, this would be a good question that my dad would probably be able to answer for you.

01:20:30.820 My dad was in no way a creative guy.

01:20:33.740 Um, I have, I've dealt with, look, I can only relate this back to my, like my liquor brands

01:20:40.200 and the, the, uh, the gaming brands that I've worked with.

01:20:43.180 Cause there's guys that I know who don't have a creative bone in their body and they tend

01:20:48.300 to either be very good salesmen or they're good organizers.

01:20:53.180 Like they can, they can, um, they can build a business around, um, organizing things.

01:21:00.820 And I don't just mean, you know, uh, like, not like companies or something like that,

01:21:05.600 but just organize being good organizers.

01:21:08.740 Um, that's a tough one.

01:21:11.140 I don't know.

01:21:11.640 I don't come from that background, so it's kind of hard for me to say that, but I've worked

01:21:16.160 for a lot of guys that do exactly that.

01:21:18.540 And I think that the, the basic principles of what Rich has been talking about up to this

01:21:23.500 point still apply regardless.

01:21:25.120 So it's like, what is, what is the safe route and what is not the safe route?

01:21:29.460 What is the way that you are going to have more control over the situation?

01:21:33.920 And when, what, what circumstances are going to put you in, what circumstances are going

01:21:41.840 to make you beholden to other people?

01:21:44.040 Like I was telling that one kid, um, Frederick, I said, the, the choices of the jobs that he

01:21:49.860 was talking about were ones where other people were making decisions for his life.

01:21:55.080 And that last one was like the, you know, we wanted to be a skincare or whatever it was

01:21:59.560 and start his own business.

01:22:00.800 That's where he's in more control.

01:22:02.860 That's where he has, I've, I've said this before and this is in the, I believe this is

01:22:05.960 in the, yeah, the first book.

01:22:07.160 Um, it's a post that I wrote called truth to power and I was analyzing the idea of power

01:22:14.200 and what makes for power.

01:22:15.300 Cause a lot of people seem to think that power means control over other people.

01:22:20.320 It means like being able to, and we think of people like that, right?

01:22:23.080 We say, oh, that person's powerful because they, they can tell that person what to do

01:22:26.780 or that status.

01:22:27.900 That makes an alpha or whatever.

01:22:30.420 Yeah, but that's more influence because what power really is, is it's the degree of control

01:22:34.160 over which you have over your own life and the course of what you can do with, with your

01:22:40.900 life.

01:22:41.280 So the real, real past, sometimes that includes being able to direct people around so you can

01:22:46.720 direct your own life.

01:22:48.860 But really when, um, when I'm talking to guys who are going through, um, divorce or guys who

01:22:55.620 are, um, who want to say, oh, I want to get married.

01:22:59.560 And I'll tell them, look, you know, we, or when you move in with a woman, you become less 1.00

01:23:02.980 powerful as a man because the course of the things that you can do are limited by the needs

01:23:09.940 and the wants of other people.

01:23:11.800 So real power, like when, when we take away power from men, it's really taking away the

01:23:16.940 power to direct their own lives.

01:23:19.320 So when Rich talks about, um, you know, playing to win, I think really the, the, I don't know

01:23:28.040 what is exactly you do for a living, but it's figuring out what is the position that gives

01:23:32.900 you the most power, what puts you in the, uh, the capacity to direct your own life.

01:23:37.420 So when we talk about can money by happiness, well, it can't buy it directly, but it can

01:23:43.400 empower you to do the things or to make the choices over your own life and direct your own

01:23:49.180 life more so than somebody who does not have that, those resources, that money.

01:23:55.920 So what I would suggest is, um, I'm, I can't really give you a business plan, but I would

01:24:01.180 say whatever it is that you are into, look for the option that gives you the most control

01:24:06.120 over your own life.

01:24:08.080 Yeah.

01:24:08.300 And I'm definitely going to have to go back to school to get that certification to kind

01:24:11.780 of move into that world for one thing.

01:24:13.820 Um, you know, personally right now, basically what I'm doing, I'm working, uh, as a government

01:24:17.540 contractor and I'm the guy that they turn to and say, okay, we need to get from point

01:24:21.060 A to point B, uh, whether that's a, you know, get some sort of project done, get some, you

01:24:27.100 know, acquire something, whatever it is.

01:24:28.360 And I'm just the guy that makes, makes that happen, you know, going over, under, around

01:24:32.040 or through whatever happens to be between point A and point B.

01:24:34.280 I'm really good at that.

01:24:35.700 Um, the thing that I'm not good at is creating that content sort of de novo, you know, putting

01:24:40.360 out in the space, right?

01:24:41.400 Both you and Richard have done, you know, counseling work and, and coaching work with people, but it

01:24:45.800 sort of stemmed from the content that you're putting in the world.

01:24:48.300 And then people brought you their problems based on what you showed the world you were

01:24:51.460 good at.

01:24:52.280 I'm not good at, I'm much better at somebody bringing their problems to me and then I can

01:24:57.420 fix it from there.

01:24:58.260 I believe, which is counseling.

01:24:59.660 I believe in the, what I, what I tell younger guys, this is a particular, and this is from

01:25:04.120 a creative standpoint, but what I tell younger guys is that it's just because you don't

01:25:08.860 have the facility to do the things you want.

01:25:13.100 Like I'll talk to guys and they'll say, I want to create my own video game.

01:25:16.320 Okay, great.

01:25:17.000 Well, I don't know how to code.

01:25:18.180 Well, what are you going to tell the guy?

01:25:19.580 Learn how to code, right?

01:25:20.660 Learn how to do this.

01:25:21.400 Learn how to do that.

01:25:22.360 I would say that if you have a strong idea, there are people who already know ways or

01:25:27.620 have the talents that you can tap to make that idea happen.

01:25:32.660 That's like, if you look at like a guy like Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs didn't know how to

01:25:35.940 do anything with respect to like coding or, or he just had ideas.

01:25:40.020 He said, I think that the iPad should exist.

01:25:42.380 I think the iPhone should exist.

01:25:43.880 How are we going to do that?

01:25:44.820 I'm going to get all these dudes here and we're going to come together and we're going

01:25:47.560 to, we're going to collaborate and put that together.

01:25:49.100 So if you're the guy that is being tasked with getting from point A to point B and you

01:25:54.900 don't know how to do it, are there people that you can, can draw in to make your idea

01:26:01.920 a reality?

01:26:02.960 Well, there's much more that I'm the Steve Wozniak guy.

01:26:05.420 In other words, I'm the guy that makes the point A to point B to happen.

01:26:07.780 I'm the builder, I'm the builder, right.

01:26:10.000 So maybe you need to find like an outside guy because that was a partnership that Jobs

01:26:14.240 and Wozniak had was Wozniak was the inside guy that did all the, all the grunt work. 0.95

01:26:19.580 And Jobs was the guy that came up with the ideas that sold shit to the public. 0.96

01:26:23.700 Made it happen. 0.99

01:26:24.440 Yeah.

01:26:25.140 I just don't want to be, I just don't want to be making widgets for the rest of my life.

01:26:27.760 Right. 0.97

01:26:27.940 I don't want to be doing bullshit, which is kind of why you want to go down that counseling 0.98

01:26:31.260 round. 0.64

01:26:31.500 But thank you guys very much.

01:26:32.520 It's very interesting in terms of looking at it from a finding a space.

01:26:37.140 Just as a kind of closing comment on, on the whole counseling route thing to the, the

01:26:41.820 limitation with that from the perspective of playing to win versus playing not to lose

01:26:46.960 anybody that's going to exchange time for money is always going to have a limited ability

01:26:52.020 for flexibility and time and income because one, because one hour of time is only going

01:26:58.480 to earn you so much for some people that might be a hundred dollars for others, it might

01:27:01.920 be a thousand dollars, right.

01:27:03.060 Um, you're always going to change that block of time.

01:27:06.200 There's 24 hours in a day times valuable.

01:27:08.100 It's a, it's a very valuable resource.

01:27:10.560 So one thing that I would encourage you to do is find a way to try to either multiply

01:27:15.060 the, um, counseling sort of work that you want to do so that if you work for an hour,

01:27:19.600 you're actually working for more than one person.

01:27:22.300 Um, you know, you can do it with lessons, with courses, with online stuff like that's one

01:27:26.680 way to do it.

01:27:27.240 Um, but try not to limit yourself to Ryan's time for one hour in exchange for, you know,

01:27:34.060 Bob walking in to have a conversation with you because you're always going to like every

01:27:38.360 single counselor that I know wants to get out of counseling after a while, just because

01:27:42.200 they can't stand exchanging time for money.

01:27:44.380 Cause they see that there's, that there's better opportunities out there to either speak

01:27:48.820 or provide course content and stuff like that.

01:27:52.440 But it takes time to do too, though, like when I first started doing clarity coaching

01:27:56.260 calls and the biggest criticism people have today of me is, well, you're $1,100 an hour.

01:28:00.780 That's too much. 0.99

01:28:01.260 You're insane. 0.99

01:28:01.740 The minimum wage in Canada is this, that, and the other thing. 1.00

01:28:04.040 And you're $7,862, you know, percent more than the minimum wage and they lose their fucking 1.00

01:28:09.040 shit. 1.00

01:28:09.360 But what they don't understand was my average call when I first started, you know, started 1.00

01:28:13.600 to do it was about an hour long and I'd be charging like 200 bucks for the hour.

01:28:17.440 Um, or yeah, it was about 200 bucks for the hour.

01:28:20.020 Uh, now at, uh, now at 1100 bucks, most of my calls are like anywhere from like 14 to

01:28:25.400 16 minutes on average.

01:28:26.640 They're quite a bit shorter cause I can solve the problem a lot quicker.

01:28:29.260 Yep.

01:28:29.700 So that frees up my time too.

01:28:31.260 Right.

01:28:31.820 Plus I'm more effective and people give me great reviews.

01:28:35.060 So why wouldn't I charge more?

01:28:36.320 I mean, why wouldn't I keep increasing the price?

01:28:40.100 So, um, as you get better at it, make sure that you always price yourself accordingly.

01:28:44.920 Cause too many people get stuck at a certain price range and they'll be like, well, I have

01:28:49.620 a piece of paper that says I'm qualified for $200 an hour and that's all I can do.

01:28:53.440 Right.

01:28:53.840 Okay.

01:28:54.040 I have no pieces of paper and I do it 1100 bucks an hour and I'm booked.

01:28:58.360 Right.

01:28:58.720 Like I, like I take calls.

01:29:00.660 So, um, just figure out a way of not letting yourself be in the box.

01:29:06.700 That that's where Steve jobs was great is a lot of people would say that, you know,

01:29:11.340 there's inside the box thinking there's outside of the box thinking there's not even seeing

01:29:14.620 the box thinking.

01:29:15.440 And that's when Steve jobs comes up and he's like, you know, I think I'd like to put all

01:29:18.800 my music and something about this size and, uh, you know, not very thick.

01:29:22.460 And I want you people to go make it right now.

01:29:24.740 Right.

01:29:25.160 But it'd be like, he had the power to do that because you know, he had, he had chased excellence,

01:29:30.240 you know, for many, many years before he got to the point where he's like, I think I

01:29:34.100 want to build an MP3 player and we'll call it the iPod and it needs to be this big.

01:29:37.320 And nothing existed like that.

01:29:38.980 Nothing.

01:29:39.360 Right.

01:29:39.520 But hard drives came out just around that time and they figured out a way to store music

01:29:43.540 data on something small and convenient enough.

01:29:45.820 You can put in your pocket.

01:29:46.780 Anyway, I'm kind of zigzagging all over the place, but you get my point.

01:29:49.760 I do.

01:29:50.340 Thank you.

01:29:50.960 And he's the one rich is really the one to talk about when it comes to counseling and

01:29:55.760 things like that, because I am a counselor by default.

01:29:59.480 I, I, I don't have a business.

01:30:01.340 I'm not on clarity.

01:30:02.360 I don't do any of that stuff.

01:30:03.640 I'm a writer.

01:30:04.380 That's what I do, but I will talk to you.

01:30:06.880 And if you would like to pay me for your, for the time that I talk to you, I will.

01:30:10.900 But, uh, I, I kind of just got into, um, being a counselor because so many people had

01:30:17.860 questions and then they wanted some sort of personalized answer.

01:30:20.520 And that's really where I go from, from a counseling perspective.

01:30:24.000 I, I kind of do the opposite of what rich does is like, I will say, okay, uh, pay me what

01:30:29.400 you thought it was worth.

01:30:30.420 And usually when I do that, people tend to pay pretty well for that because it's helped

01:30:35.180 them solve the problem.

01:30:36.500 And I see that as kind of a, a way of, um, helping the next guys who like, if somebody

01:30:43.000 like says, oh, that was great here, I'm going to give you a thousand dollars.

01:30:45.600 Great.

01:30:46.180 Then there's like a kid who's like, you know, 14, 15 years old who wants to ask me a question.

01:30:50.700 He doesn't have that kind of money.

01:30:52.240 I figured, well, okay, the other guy just paid it forward for that guy.

01:30:54.600 And it works out that way.

01:30:55.760 And so my time gets caught, gets covered eventually because, you know, because other people see

01:31:02.020 the value in what it is that I'm giving them.

01:31:05.240 Cool.

01:31:06.040 Thank you, gentlemen.

01:31:06.700 Thanks, Ryan.

01:31:07.880 All right.

01:31:08.800 And on that note, we're at the 90 minute mark guys.

01:31:11.480 I keep these shows tight.

01:31:13.700 Uh, so I apologize for those of you that talked to Josh and got screened at or sit in the waiting

01:31:18.940 area.

01:31:19.580 Sam's in that Sam's in the chat, Sam, we've got to do a, we've got to do a video together

01:31:23.260 on Wednesday.

01:31:24.360 Yeah.

01:31:24.520 Yeah.

01:31:24.680 Schedule that in with Sam.

01:31:26.060 Um, so these shows go on every other Thursday now, I think I'm going to make this a thing.

01:31:31.400 So we'll do episode number three in two weeks on a Thursday at 8 PM.

01:31:35.420 So if you have a question, you can hop in, um, and ask it, try to come in early.

01:31:40.440 Um, I always give preference to guys in my community.

01:31:43.980 So there's some guys in there that, um, you know, came in from the community afterwards,

01:31:48.040 but they're basically my VIPs, right?

01:31:49.860 Like they've been with me for a while.

01:31:51.560 If you want to join my community guys, it's just entrepreneurs and cars.com forward slash

01:31:55.080 community.

01:31:55.880 Uh, there should be a link in the description below, but it's an annual membership.

01:31:59.600 Uh, it's not monthly, it's annual and you get lots of perks there.

01:32:02.340 It's all on the link there.

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01:32:34.680 Yeah.

01:32:36.720 Well, there you go, fellas.

01:32:37.820 But, um, yeah.

01:32:38.860 So a quick shout out.

01:32:40.580 What's, what's the rule zero topic for Saturday?

01:32:42.580 Cause that won't be on.

01:32:43.460 Okay.

01:32:43.800 So we're rule zero.

01:32:44.920 We're going to do it at the same time.

01:32:46.120 It's going to be, uh, Ryan is hosting, so it's going to be on his channel.

01:32:50.080 Uh, we're going to be talking about have men adapted to the sexual marketplace.

01:32:54.880 It's sort of a, I kind of, I want to be on for that.

01:32:58.020 My latest it's, if you go and you check out my latest post on, on the rational mail, um,

01:33:03.360 it's called have men adapted to the new sexual marketplace.

01:33:06.920 Um, we're going to discuss that.

01:33:08.580 Uh, I was actually going to do it on my channel, but I thought I would much rather get everybody

01:33:12.600 in all on one to, to have a broader discussion of that.

01:33:16.560 But that was sort of, uh, spawned from a conversation that went on in my comment thread, um, about

01:33:23.200 our MGTOW show.

01:33:24.460 And it's like, they were, they're arguing whether or not MGTOW is sort of a regression or if it's

01:33:29.420 a progression or is MGTOW an adaptation or is it sort of like regress or is it just exacerbating

01:33:35.980 an already, uh, segregated sexual marketplace.

01:33:39.420 So we were talking about that and I get into that and kind of, it's, it's actually a pretty

01:33:42.560 lengthy post.

01:33:43.220 It's almost about, I think it's about 2,800 or 3,000 words.

01:33:46.420 So, um, go check it out.

01:33:48.480 Um, and I, it's actually getting a lot more, uh, traffic than I imagined it would.

01:33:53.160 And so we're going to do a episode on that.

01:33:55.760 Cool.

01:33:56.000 All right.

01:33:56.240 So rule zero is Saturday on Ryan's channel at 11, 11, 1130 Eastern AM.

01:34:03.360 Cool.

01:34:03.520 And I'll probably be on for the one the week after that.

01:34:06.100 Cause I got an opening, but, uh, that's it guys.

01:34:08.060 Thanks for watching tonight.

01:34:09.340 We'll catch you on the next episode of playing to win in two weeks time, Thursday, 8 PM Eastern

01:34:14.300 standard time.

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