Playing to Win - 005 - Ameer Rosic

00:00:01.000 All right, what's up, brother? How you doing, man?

00:00:02.800 I'm good, man. How you doing?

00:00:04.080 Yeah, welcome. So everybody, we got Amir Rosik on today.

00:00:08.900 You should be familiar if you followed my channel for a while.

00:00:11.220 I've had him on a few times just talking about things like crypto

00:00:14.660 and a few other bits and pieces here and there in the past.

00:00:17.280 And he's just a really smart guy that I like to hang out with and talk to.

00:00:21.360 I was downtown last week and we got together for a bit.

00:00:23.900 That was a lot of fun.

00:00:26.120 Well, that podcast is going to drop maybe two weeks from now.

00:00:28.380 That one was fucking good.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, I walked in there and I told your crew, I'm like,

00:00:34.300 all right, you guys ready to be enlightened and offended at the same time?

00:00:37.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:00:39.260 We're going to have a lot of good sound clips from that one.

00:00:42.240 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you'll get plenty.

00:00:43.500 So I basically unleashed a lot of cold, hard truth bombs

00:00:48.040 that I've not really talked about that often.

00:00:50.840 So if you haven't subscribed to Amir's channel,

00:00:54.100 it's just Amir Rosik, as you say his name on his screen.

00:00:56.980 So you go check it out.

00:00:58.500 Dude, like you're all over the place.

00:00:59.880 It's like you're kind of an everything guy.

00:01:02.180 Like I met you probably close to 10 years ago now.

00:01:05.280 And we're at a conference and it's like,

00:01:07.600 hey, how are you and what do you do sort of thing?

00:01:09.220 And you were this like kind of shaved head, squared off jaw dude

00:01:11.920 that was just like, yeah, I was throwing around kettlebells

00:01:14.560 and I was in jail.

00:01:15.620 And, you know, I got in runs with the law

00:01:17.400 and I'm an entrepreneur now sort of thing.

00:01:18.740 So, you know, like you're in your early 30s

00:01:21.900 and I don't talk to you about this too much,

00:01:24.500 but, you know, a lot of guys that like show up in my space,

00:01:27.560 they get stuck in like an area of like sulking

00:01:31.220 where they get like so tied up in the past

00:01:34.640 that they have a hard time moving on.

00:01:36.080 And I like guys like you that kind of have like a zero to hero story.

00:01:39.340 When we were doing your podcast downtown the other day,

00:01:43.120 you were telling me that you kind of grew up

00:01:44.720 in like a fatherless household.

00:01:47.840 What was the origin story about your childhood?

00:01:49.960 Like how did that work out for you?

00:01:53.440 My dad comes from former Yugoslavia,

00:01:56.560 typical Eastern European family.

00:01:59.760 My mom, and this is recently that I found out,

00:02:02.820 I believe is his third wife.

00:02:05.840 So I have a half sister, whole different family back home.

00:02:08.500 Don't really talk to them, but it was like atypical.

00:02:11.960 I want to say atypical, maybe like,

00:02:13.640 I understand why he behaves like that.

00:02:15.140 I did some analysis on him,

00:02:16.680 but I think you said that the best word,

00:02:19.260 he was like a piece of furniture.

00:02:21.100 Yeah, that's like one of those fathers

00:02:23.160 that are still in the household,

00:02:25.840 but they're basically a piece of furniture that,

00:02:27.800 you know, they're not that interested in being a father

00:02:29.660 or engaging with their kids.

00:02:31.120 Like, is that-

00:02:31.440 There's like zero interest.

00:02:32.580 Like, yeah, like absolutely like zero, nil, nada.

00:02:35.180 And that's what lets you get in a lot of trouble, right?

00:02:37.280 Like, that's one of the things that we talked about was like-

00:02:39.760 I was a renegade, man.

00:02:40.820 Like, I didn't know what the fuck I want,

00:02:42.120 when I want, no one stopped me.

00:02:43.480 Like, the shit that I caused when I was younger.

00:02:45.300 Like, man, I brought fucking like,

00:02:48.680 what's it called?

00:02:50.340 Police teams, what are they called?

00:02:52.120 Oh, the squat, like those squads.

00:02:54.340 Yeah, I brought them to my fucking house

00:02:55.640 and my fucking parents, man.

00:02:56.620 Think about that.

00:02:58.840 What did you do to invite them to your house the first time?

00:03:01.660 Oh, fuck.

00:03:02.280 My brother was a shit disturber too,

00:03:03.660 so we got these two fucking shit disturbers.

00:03:07.560 I had the cops at my house once when I was a kid

00:03:10.460 and it was because there was a snowstorm

00:03:11.880 and I was driving by this back road behind my house

00:03:15.380 and my buddy in the car goes,

00:03:16.900 there's nobody on the road.

00:03:17.840 There's like three, four inches of snow.

00:03:19.640 My buddy goes, do a donut out of nowhere.

00:03:22.640 And there's this set of headlights

00:03:24.260 coming over to crest over the hill

00:03:25.620 and it turns out to be a cop.

00:03:26.640 So he sees me doing like all these donuts

00:03:28.500 in the middle of our own.

00:03:29.400 I figure I'm going to run home

00:03:30.680 and put the car in the garage

00:03:31.700 and he won't bother me.

00:03:32.580 Only he's got the cherries on in front of my house

00:03:34.340 and I had to deal with that.

00:03:35.260 But that was the worst extent

00:03:37.260 of what I ever did as a kid.

00:03:38.600 So you said that you got in a lot of trouble.

00:03:41.120 We were talking about this before in your podcast,

00:03:42.620 but it's like, you know,

00:03:43.880 boys that don't have access

00:03:46.040 to strong masculine energy and boundaries

00:03:48.900 when they're growing up

00:03:50.320 will find a way to like throw rocks on the ice

00:03:53.500 to test how strong it is, right?

00:03:55.040 Bro, my mentorship was fucking 90s gangster rap.

00:03:58.000 So what happened, man?

00:04:00.980 Because you said you got in trouble with the law.

00:04:02.440 Like you were in jail for a bit too, right?

00:04:04.320 Yeah.

00:04:04.540 Oh yeah, I spent a bunch of times.

00:04:06.400 Longest stretch I did was six and a half months

00:04:08.640 in the maximum security, yeah.

00:04:10.360 And what did they pull you in for?

00:04:12.220 I was charged numerous times with assault

00:04:13.980 and finally they got me on the force charge.

00:04:16.220 Right.

00:04:17.100 How old were you?

00:04:17.460 I did a plea, oh, 19.

00:04:20.720 Shit, man.

00:04:21.220 Like your story is a lot like Dan Martel's.

00:04:24.000 I remember he, you know,

00:04:25.040 he had a lot of run-ins with, you know, the law

00:04:28.700 and I think he stole a car at one point

00:04:30.800 and he said he pulled a gun on himself

00:04:32.360 and he tried to...

00:04:33.500 And he dropped it.

00:04:34.400 He dropped it or it didn't go off.

00:04:36.080 There was something wrong with the firing pin.

00:04:37.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:38.080 But there's a lot of really...

00:04:39.140 He was a juvie.

00:04:40.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:41.580 But I mean, look,

00:04:42.000 there's a lot of really successful guys out there

00:04:44.120 that, you know, have done quite well in their life

00:04:47.020 and turn themselves around

00:04:48.060 from like zeros to literal heroes.

00:04:50.400 Not only once, but multiple times.

00:04:52.960 They end up reinventing themselves.

00:04:55.480 So this was your teens?

00:04:56.920 Like this was pretty much your entire teen years

00:04:58.660 was getting in trouble with the law?

00:05:00.240 I got barely passed elementary school

00:05:02.060 because I was a hyperactive kid.

00:05:04.000 My mom has really good common sense.

00:05:05.980 They want to put me on drugs

00:05:07.020 to kind of calm me down.

00:05:08.680 She said, fuck that.

00:05:10.180 I went to high school

00:05:11.540 and I remembered the exact moment

00:05:14.400 where I said, this isn't for me.

00:05:15.440 I was sitting in geography class in the back

00:05:16.980 and like, what the fuck is this all about?

00:05:18.700 You were coloring within the lines?

00:05:21.560 Yeah, I'm like, this is...

00:05:22.960 Remember that?

00:05:23.420 I'm out, I'm out.

00:05:24.200 I never went.

00:05:24.960 And then I started hanging around

00:05:26.940 with the same people that think like me.

00:05:28.660 So, you know, want to be gangsters.

00:05:31.000 And I remember I literally never went back to school.

00:05:35.480 I just chilled, jammed, hustled.

00:05:37.940 I was a grader.

00:05:39.900 So grade nine, 15, 14, 15 years old.

00:05:43.480 And then beginning of grade 10,

00:05:46.800 so summer passed, it called me in

00:05:48.320 and they said, yeah, well, you're out.

00:05:49.940 And then that's it.

00:05:50.940 That's the end of my schooling.

00:05:53.220 Okay, then that's when you got involved

00:05:54.700 with like drugs and crime and stuff like that.

00:05:56.320 I wasn't, honestly, man, I was a connector.

00:05:59.460 So it wasn't like, I was never, yeah.

00:06:02.640 Like for, I was really good at commissions.

00:06:04.620 Let me put it that way.

00:06:05.200 Like whatever anybody needed at any given time,

00:06:08.140 I just knew a lot of people

00:06:09.280 and I connected people together

00:06:10.340 and I took my commission.

00:06:12.500 Very similar to James Altucher's story.

00:06:14.960 Yeah, so, and that's why

00:06:15.980 when I got into affiliate marketing a long time ago,

00:06:18.080 it kind of was like a natural fit for me.

00:06:19.560 I'm like, oh shit, you just take a clip, you know?

00:06:21.780 It makes sense to me.

00:06:23.460 How long?

00:06:24.900 How long did you do all that stuff?

00:06:27.620 Yeah, like all the affiliate marketing stuff.

00:06:29.600 Well, that's after I went out of jail

00:06:31.040 and all that stuff.

00:06:31.600 I did it for a long time.

00:06:32.460 That's how I got into SEO and marketing, growth hacking.

00:06:34.660 But I was party mode, man,

00:06:36.520 from the age like 15 to like 22, man.

00:06:38.640 Like popping bottles in the club,

00:06:41.600 spending $4,000 or $5,000 in the club,

00:06:44.180 cocaine, drugs.

00:06:45.680 I've had two ODs in my life.

00:06:47.160 I've been shot, stabbed.

00:06:49.240 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:06:50.020 It's like you've been shot and stabbed?

00:06:51.860 Yeah, I've been shot at.

00:06:53.120 I've been stabbed.

00:06:53.540 I have a stab wound right here.

00:06:55.460 Did the bullet hit you?

00:06:57.060 No.

00:06:58.420 I've been shot at too, actually, believe it or not.

00:07:00.580 I was in a car.

00:07:02.500 Yeah?

00:07:03.040 I was in a car as a passenger

00:07:04.420 and the driver was pissing off this other guy

00:07:06.220 and he pulled out a pistol

00:07:07.280 and he shot at the car

00:07:08.160 when he was exiting the ramp.

00:07:09.940 Fuck.

00:07:10.320 He didn't hit anybody.

00:07:11.240 Road rage?

00:07:11.720 Holy fuck.

00:07:12.500 Yeah, this was like 10, 15 years ago.

00:07:15.600 This was 10, 15 years ago.

00:07:16.840 This was a...

00:07:17.720 No, fuck, it was even more than that.

00:07:19.380 I think I was like 22 at the time.

00:07:21.100 Yeah.

00:07:21.560 Crazy.

00:07:22.220 Long, long time ago, actually.

00:07:23.940 But anyway, so back to your story

00:07:26.300 with this, you know,

00:07:28.060 the juvie stuff being in and out of jail,

00:07:30.300 you know, being a hustler.

00:07:32.360 At what point did you say like this,

00:07:35.420 you know, this is bullshit?

00:07:36.220 Like, you're not in the tax system, right?

00:07:38.520 Like, you're not paying taxes,

00:07:39.820 you're hustling.

00:07:40.880 Yeah, you're making bucks deluxe,

00:07:42.440 but everything's under the table.

00:07:44.900 Like, at what point did you have to wake up from that

00:07:46.560 and say, I can't, you know,

00:07:47.540 I can't keep doing this.

00:07:48.400 Like, this isn't a life.

00:07:50.200 Honestly, I just got bored of it.

00:07:52.300 And then, you know,

00:07:54.180 when you go to jail,

00:07:55.020 it's not like it reforms you.

00:07:56.220 Like, jail, like,

00:07:57.420 people need,

00:07:58.640 don't get it twisted.

00:07:59.380 Like, jail actually makes you more cynical

00:08:01.800 and more begrudging against the system.

00:08:04.920 What do you mean?

00:08:07.020 You go in there,

00:08:07.840 you just realize, like,

00:08:08.800 how fucked the system is

00:08:09.860 and, like, you're surrounded by idiots.

00:08:11.220 Like, what the fuck?

00:08:12.620 You know what I mean?

00:08:14.960 And so, for me,

00:08:15.960 it wasn't like jail reformy.

00:08:18.900 When I look back in hindsight,

00:08:20.460 it was,

00:08:21.380 honestly, man,

00:08:21.940 I think I just got bored of it.

00:08:23.640 I just grew out of it.

00:08:25.340 Somebody once told me that,

00:08:26.580 you know,

00:08:27.320 when they send you to jail,

00:08:29.120 you basically make more connections there.

00:08:31.180 You do,

00:08:32.180 but also what people don't understand,

00:08:33.400 if I wasn't self-sufficient,

00:08:34.620 I couldn't get a fucking job

00:08:35.700 when I got out of jail.

00:08:36.840 Right.

00:08:37.680 Right, so I had to be self-sufficient.

00:08:38.880 So you had to invent something.

00:08:40.520 Yeah, and, man,

00:08:41.940 fuck, for six months,

00:08:43.320 all I did was, like,

00:08:44.820 I don't exaggerate when I tell this people.

00:08:46.280 I literally did, like,

00:08:46.920 a thousand sit-ups,

00:08:47.700 a thousand push-ups,

00:08:48.460 a thousand pull-ups a day

00:08:49.360 because you have eight fucking hours to waste.

00:08:52.160 Really?

00:08:52.940 Like, eight hours sitting,

00:08:54.020 like, it's a cattle range.

00:08:55.340 Literally, it's called a range,

00:08:56.340 so range A, B, C.

00:08:57.320 You go out,

00:08:59.600 if you're lucky,

00:09:00.140 one hour a day,

00:09:00.840 but I kind of scammed that

00:09:01.920 or played the system.

00:09:03.460 I went out two hours.

00:09:04.420 I said I was Native American

00:09:05.580 or Aboriginal,

00:09:06.500 and I did a smudge in the morning

00:09:07.520 at 6 a.m.

00:09:08.840 Two sessions to go out,

00:09:10.360 and, yeah,

00:09:11.180 literally you're sitting on the range

00:09:12.300 from, like, 7 a.m.

00:09:13.860 till, I think,

00:09:14.600 lights out like 7,

00:09:15.540 7 to 7,

00:09:16.280 I can't remember.

00:09:17.520 And so you got eight hours

00:09:18.600 of absolute nothingness.

00:09:20.600 What's up with the stuff

00:09:23.160 you're doing with kettle balls, man?

00:09:24.780 Because when I first met you,

00:09:25.900 like,

00:09:25.960 you're not a small guy.

00:09:27.900 Like, you've always been really fit, right?

00:09:29.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:30.420 Like, you're strong.

00:09:31.200 I think you said

00:09:31.700 you were the kettlebell champion?

00:09:33.780 2013, I believe, yeah.

00:09:36.240 How did you get into that?

00:09:37.080 Because, I mean,

00:09:37.380 that's been, like,

00:09:37.860 a total pivot

00:09:38.380 because, I mean,

00:09:38.740 you've done kettlebells,

00:09:39.520 you've done businesses,

00:09:40.400 you've got clothing and apparel,

00:09:42.320 you've done Bitcoin.

00:09:43.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:45.800 I don't know, man.

00:09:46.500 I get, like, OCD

00:09:47.300 when I find something I like.

00:09:48.700 So I got addicted to it,

00:09:50.120 got into good shape.

00:09:51.040 I realized there's this weird

00:09:52.060 Russian sport called

00:09:53.160 gear voice sport.

00:09:53.960 And then I'm like,

00:09:55.540 fuck,

00:09:55.800 let me go try to do this.

00:09:57.200 And it was just like,

00:09:57.700 fuck,

00:09:57.920 coming.

00:09:58.620 You've got early videos

00:10:00.280 on your channel

00:10:00.900 where you're practically

00:10:01.740 juggling kettlebells.

00:10:03.400 Yeah.

00:10:03.820 Well, I still do them.

00:10:04.520 In the summertime,

00:10:05.120 I'm outside fucking with them.

00:10:06.240 They're one of the best,

00:10:07.200 let's say,

00:10:07.940 like,

00:10:08.800 get into shape type of tools.

00:10:10.120 You can use portable,

00:10:11.200 easy,

00:10:11.580 fun.

00:10:12.000 You know,

00:10:12.120 I get bored

00:10:12.920 when I just do weights.

00:10:14.520 Like,

00:10:14.920 it was never really my shtick.

00:10:16.220 So I did the semi-amateur MMA

00:10:19.160 for a long time.

00:10:19.980 I trained at Randy Couture's gym,

00:10:22.360 Extreme Couture,

00:10:23.180 down in Tobacco in Toronto.

00:10:25.180 And that was then,

00:10:25.780 it was like,

00:10:26.060 Misha was there.

00:10:27.640 Hominick was there.

00:10:30.460 Clifton Brown,

00:10:31.220 four-time world Muay Thai champion.

00:10:32.700 We had a really good fucking squad

00:10:34.320 of pros and teachers,

00:10:36.420 like high,

00:10:36.740 high fucking caliber.

00:10:38.260 And I was ripped, man.

00:10:39.120 I can show you pictures.

00:10:40.020 It's on my Facebook.

00:10:40.640 I was walking through 3% body fat,

00:10:43.260 just ripped to fucking shreds.

00:10:44.660 But I was training

00:10:45.280 like a fucking maniac.

00:10:47.020 Like,

00:10:47.500 two sessions a day,

00:10:49.160 two hours in the morning,

00:10:50.140 two hours in the evening,

00:10:51.100 and then taking a nap in between.

00:10:52.420 So it was like,

00:10:52.840 four to six hours a day

00:10:54.320 I would train.

00:10:55.100 Did you ever fight?

00:10:55.920 Like,

00:10:56.060 you know,

00:10:56.240 actual?

00:10:56.560 Yeah,

00:10:56.740 yeah,

00:10:56.900 yeah.

00:10:57.040 Oh,

00:10:57.220 yeah.

00:10:57.760 I don't have any pro fights,

00:11:00.140 but I would say

00:11:01.260 unofficial fights a dozen.

00:11:04.260 What did you use for,

00:11:05.520 you know,

00:11:05.740 standard discipline?

00:11:06.680 Was it BJJ?

00:11:07.600 Was it Muay Thai?

00:11:08.060 My background is originally

00:11:09.220 from Shotokan Karate.

00:11:10.640 So my mind put me in karate

00:11:11.880 when I was young.

00:11:12.480 So I did that for a very long time

00:11:13.580 until I got my black belt

00:11:14.760 here in Toronto.

00:11:15.760 And then for my MMA,

00:11:18.180 my two forms of,

00:11:19.880 let's say,

00:11:20.660 martial arts that I love

00:11:21.360 was boxing and wrestling.

00:11:23.780 Interesting.

00:11:24.600 I want to talk to you

00:11:25.160 about that a little bit.

00:11:26.100 Shout out to Donovan Sharp.

00:11:27.560 Thanks for that,

00:11:28.100 man.

00:11:28.360 And I see John

00:11:29.220 in the chat as well.

00:11:32.720 I'm doing Krav Maga.

00:11:34.000 I just started a couple months ago.

00:11:35.520 I did it for years straight.

00:11:36.060 It's fucking great.

00:11:37.320 I love it.

00:11:37.780 I think Krav Maga

00:11:39.020 for realist.

00:11:40.060 So I did Toronto Krav Maga

00:11:41.560 for a year.

00:11:41.860 I like to take a new martial arts

00:11:43.280 or new something every year.

00:11:45.480 Next year is archery.

00:11:46.360 I'll be doing archery

00:11:47.080 for one year straight.

00:11:48.520 But I did Krav Maga

00:11:49.860 for a year.

00:11:50.680 I think hands down

00:11:51.820 for somebody who's looking

00:11:52.860 for real practical,

00:11:54.540 tactical,

00:11:55.620 applicable self-defense,

00:11:58.140 it's hands down the best.

00:11:59.320 It beats any martial arts.

00:12:00.820 Really?

00:12:01.260 Yeah,

00:12:01.380 I've not done anything else,

00:12:02.940 but I talked to a few people

00:12:05.000 and I said,

00:12:05.500 yeah,

00:12:05.580 if you want to use it

00:12:06.220 for self-defense,

00:12:06.980 if you want to fuck somebody up

00:12:08.100 and really disable them,

00:12:09.720 go and do Krav Maga.

00:12:10.600 I did a couple of sessions

00:12:12.920 and it's just so powerful

00:12:16.380 and quick and intense

00:12:17.540 and so effective.

00:12:18.520 Well,

00:12:18.720 it's Israeli military

00:12:19.880 hand-to-hand combat.

00:12:21.320 Yeah.

00:12:24.740 It's no joke.

00:12:25.740 I mean,

00:12:25.940 even the instructor

00:12:26.920 that's not using full power,

00:12:30.180 when you're messing around

00:12:31.820 with them,

00:12:32.160 like I've had my wrist,

00:12:33.700 like my wrist has been

00:12:34.420 out of commission

00:12:34.920 for a few weeks now,

00:12:35.900 right?

00:12:36.100 Just from horsing around

00:12:37.540 with them,

00:12:37.860 right?

00:12:38.120 And trying to get

00:12:38.680 into chokeholds

00:12:39.340 and stuff like that.

00:12:40.100 So,

00:12:40.680 I mean,

00:12:41.380 yeah,

00:12:41.580 it's a pretty powerful tool.

00:12:42.860 So,

00:12:43.160 like,

00:12:43.840 let me talk to you about

00:12:44.860 hand-to-hand combat

00:12:45.960 for a minute,

00:12:46.480 right?

00:12:46.740 Because,

00:12:47.140 you know,

00:12:48.120 I talk to guys

00:12:48.780 about competency skills

00:12:50.080 and being able

00:12:51.320 to demonstrate,

00:12:52.500 you know,

00:12:52.960 the ability to accomplish

00:12:54.220 these sorts of tasks

00:12:55.620 and being able

00:12:56.120 to defend yourself

00:12:56.900 and,

00:12:57.540 you know,

00:12:57.660 if you're with women,

00:12:58.220 of course,

00:12:58.580 you know,

00:12:58.720 you want to be able

00:12:59.220 to demonstrate

00:13:00.280 that you're the strong

00:13:01.620 masculine guy

00:13:02.400 that,

00:13:02.720 you know,

00:13:02.900 she wants to be around.

00:13:03.760 Like,

00:13:03.880 you got to be able

00:13:04.320 to protect the chick.

00:13:05.320 I mean,

00:13:05.440 she wants to be able

00:13:05.980 to rely on you

00:13:06.860 for protection

00:13:07.460 at the end of the day.

00:13:10.440 Like,

00:13:10.800 how did you get involved

00:13:11.360 with it?

00:13:11.680 Was it just out of necessity

00:13:12.720 because you got involved

00:13:13.580 with these crowds?

00:13:16.080 Oh,

00:13:16.480 no,

00:13:16.960 it's genetically ingrained.

00:13:18.340 I've probably been more

00:13:18.900 than 200 street fights

00:13:19.720 in my life.

00:13:21.140 Really?

00:13:21.960 Oh,

00:13:22.140 yeah,

00:13:22.300 yeah.

00:13:22.520 This is like,

00:13:23.520 oh,

00:13:23.740 yeah.

00:13:24.060 I was bullied

00:13:24.920 because first generation

00:13:26.360 immigrant,

00:13:27.760 English second language,

00:13:29.220 you know,

00:13:29.940 and so I was considered

00:13:31.160 a minority

00:13:31.740 when I was in elementary school.

00:13:33.100 So I was bullied

00:13:33.680 when I was in elementary school.

00:13:34.740 Still kind of in a shell,

00:13:36.100 not really accepting

00:13:37.260 who I am.

00:13:38.840 And some things

00:13:39.480 just changed,

00:13:40.200 man.

00:13:40.340 When I got older

00:13:41.140 into high school

00:13:42.800 to grade nine,

00:13:43.420 I don't know,

00:13:43.760 just psychologically speaking,

00:13:46.140 I snapped.

00:13:47.500 Did you ever see

00:13:49.120 Knock Around Guys?

00:13:51.520 Did I?

00:13:52.060 Is that the movie?

00:13:52.940 The movie,

00:13:53.340 yeah.

00:13:55.240 That's Vin Diesel?

00:13:56.560 Yeah,

00:13:57.000 there's a scene

00:13:57.480 where he's in a bar,

00:13:58.280 you know,

00:13:58.420 where they land

00:13:58.860 in the private plane.

00:13:59.700 Yeah,

00:13:59.820 yeah,

00:14:00.040 yeah,

00:14:00.240 yeah,

00:14:00.440 yeah.

00:14:00.780 Yeah,

00:14:00.900 and he's like 200

00:14:01.760 or 300,

00:14:03.040 you know,

00:14:03.220 whatever the number was

00:14:04.000 and he's like,

00:14:04.460 what?

00:14:05.040 He's like,

00:14:05.460 yeah,

00:14:05.600 that's the number

00:14:06.000 of fights I've been,

00:14:07.160 you know,

00:14:07.340 kind of like.

00:14:07.780 Too many,

00:14:08.100 man,

00:14:08.340 way too many.

00:14:08.960 I can't even,

00:14:09.400 like legitimately

00:14:10.260 way,

00:14:11.160 way too many

00:14:12.020 fucking street fights.

00:14:13.240 Interesting.

00:14:14.100 How do you,

00:14:14.880 how do you

00:14:15.740 navigate that today?

00:14:17.400 Like,

00:14:17.580 you try to avoid them?

00:14:19.500 I don't even get the urge,

00:14:20.400 man.

00:14:21.020 You don't even get the urge?

00:14:23.160 If I see a situation,

00:14:24.280 I walk away,

00:14:24.920 man.

00:14:25.420 I know what I'm capable of.

00:14:26.620 I know I don't want

00:14:27.620 to get back in that.

00:14:28.680 It's not worth my time

00:14:29.640 whatsoever,

00:14:30.540 man.

00:14:31.100 You look like the kind of guy

00:14:32.180 that could seriously

00:14:32.800 fuck somebody up,

00:14:33.700 you know,

00:14:33.920 without even trying.

00:14:34.860 I don't joke around.

00:14:35.920 Like,

00:14:36.080 this isn't a game to me.

00:14:37.100 Like,

00:14:37.260 if I'm in a situation,

00:14:38.200 like,

00:14:38.820 like in Krama,

00:14:39.540 first rule of Krama God

00:14:40.500 is if you can walk away

00:14:41.980 or escape,

00:14:42.480 escape.

00:14:42.820 That's the first rule.

00:14:44.220 Right?

00:14:44.640 Yeah.

00:14:44.840 Do not engage.

00:14:46.060 Second,

00:14:46.660 engagement is only

00:14:47.640 at a necessity,

00:14:48.760 period.

00:14:50.200 But yeah,

00:14:50.800 like for me,

00:14:51.280 it's not a game.

00:14:51.900 People joke around.

00:14:52.680 I wouldn't even talk to you.

00:14:53.440 I wouldn't say anything.

00:14:54.060 I would just fucking

00:14:54.720 put you down.

00:14:55.980 And it wouldn't be,

00:14:57.220 oh,

00:14:57.360 this is a fair fight.

00:14:58.240 There's no such thing

00:14:58.780 as a fair fight.

00:14:59.620 No.

00:15:00.800 No,

00:15:01.080 it's anything goes

00:15:02.080 with Krama God for sure.

00:15:04.320 I want to go back

00:15:05.120 to the,

00:15:05.580 you know,

00:15:06.940 the stuff when you got

00:15:07.620 out of jail

00:15:08.020 and you started to,

00:15:08.860 you know,

00:15:09.440 create something for yourself

00:15:10.440 because you weren't able to,

00:15:11.820 because you weren't employable,

00:15:13.280 you know,

00:15:13.460 as you kind of put it,

00:15:14.120 right?

00:15:15.620 And you're doing

00:15:16.280 affiliate marketing.

00:15:17.960 By mistake,

00:15:18.860 I found my,

00:15:19.340 I saw my boy at the gym.

00:15:20.260 I hadn't seen him for a while

00:15:21.100 and he showed me this thing.

00:15:23.440 And I wasn't privy

00:15:24.480 or as aware of any

00:15:25.260 of this online,

00:15:25.940 online marketing stuff.

00:15:27.520 They're just up and coming

00:15:28.540 of the affiliate space.

00:15:30.080 Like real saturation,

00:15:31.800 like big swings.

00:15:32.600 This is when ClickBank

00:15:33.620 was just getting like

00:15:34.880 really,

00:15:35.540 early,

00:15:36.680 like mid 2000s or?

00:15:38.400 Yeah.

00:15:38.900 Like,

00:15:39.100 let's see,

00:15:39.560 like,

00:15:40.020 you know,

00:15:40.360 I'm 33,

00:15:41.400 34.

00:15:42.120 And so that was like around

00:15:43.420 when I was 20.

00:15:45.100 So it's been a while,

00:15:45.920 you know.

00:15:46.620 What do you think

00:15:47.020 of affiliate marketing today

00:15:48.060 for guys that are thinking

00:15:48.820 about getting into it?

00:15:50.220 Fuck,

00:15:50.700 man,

00:15:50.880 it's completely different.

00:15:52.740 Like back in the day,

00:15:53.500 we were spinning web 2.0

00:15:54.880 properties on YouTube

00:15:55.800 and doing summits.

00:15:56.820 So like we,

00:15:57.660 we were able to collect

00:15:58.680 100,000 email lists

00:16:00.180 in 30 days

00:16:00.780 by creating these

00:16:01.400 virtual summits,

00:16:02.160 which is a Skype interviews.

00:16:04.260 And so basically,

00:16:05.260 like,

00:16:05.560 let's say we had like

00:16:06.200 a men's summit

00:16:07.120 back in the day

00:16:07.740 for helping men,

00:16:08.400 like empowering of men.

00:16:09.460 We would get like

00:16:10.180 Richard and Mir

00:16:10.860 and all these other people.

00:16:12.160 We would have like

00:16:13.120 usually two,

00:16:13.620 three partners,

00:16:14.180 each of us to throw 10K.

00:16:15.420 So 30K to kind of facilitate

00:16:16.960 the financial capital

00:16:18.480 to do this.

00:16:19.200 We would make a JV split

00:16:20.720 with the so-called host

00:16:21.800 to interview all these people.

00:16:23.500 We would interview

00:16:23.840 all these people,

00:16:24.420 but part of the deal,

00:16:25.100 these people have to email

00:16:26.040 their list as well.

00:16:26.760 So these like semi-influencers,

00:16:28.400 let's say,

00:16:29.120 anybody with maybe

00:16:30.480 at least an email list,

00:16:31.400 our criteria was at least

00:16:32.300 back then,

00:16:32.940 2,500 people

00:16:33.720 on your email list.

00:16:34.740 Everyone emailed them

00:16:35.540 throughout the month,

00:16:36.200 like,

00:16:36.420 hey,

00:16:36.460 we got these interviews,

00:16:37.420 yada,

00:16:37.600 yada,

00:16:37.820 yada.

00:16:38.240 We would collect the emails

00:16:39.180 in one database.

00:16:40.200 Obviously,

00:16:40.500 we share that database

00:16:41.180 afterwards with consent.

00:16:42.920 And then basically,

00:16:43.640 we would then package

00:16:44.600 the prerecorded videos

00:16:46.080 with any other like deals

00:16:47.760 that we can get.

00:16:48.740 So we would ask,

00:16:49.700 does Richard have any

00:16:50.520 like e-books

00:16:52.060 or programs

00:16:52.760 or courses

00:16:53.240 they want to add in there?

00:16:54.020 So we make this

00:16:54.420 really big package

00:16:55.140 and then we sell it

00:16:56.160 to the email list

00:16:56.800 we just captured

00:16:57.400 in the 30 days

00:16:58.040 and we just rinse

00:16:58.560 and repeated that.

00:16:59.400 But you can't do that today.

00:17:02.820 So that kind of brings me

00:17:05.020 to like other spaces

00:17:06.080 that are kind of tied

00:17:06.860 into affiliate

00:17:07.380 because one of the things

00:17:08.340 that's popular today,

00:17:09.180 I'm going to bounce

00:17:09.580 all over the place.

00:17:10.160 I think you're okay with this

00:17:10.880 because you're like me,

00:17:11.540 you know,

00:17:11.700 with the ADD sort of thing.

00:17:12.760 But I mean,

00:17:12.980 you know,

00:17:13.920 the whole Shopify,

00:17:15.080 Amazon,

00:17:16.260 FBA situation,

00:17:17.760 a lot of guys

00:17:18.420 are trying to move

00:17:20.060 physical products.

00:17:21.580 I had this one guy

00:17:22.340 that I talked to

00:17:22.980 about a year ago

00:17:23.640 and he,

00:17:24.240 like he was trying

00:17:24.740 to sell me his business

00:17:25.520 towards the end

00:17:26.040 of the coaching call.

00:17:26.840 The guy books me

00:17:27.480 for a coaching call

00:17:28.300 on Clarity

00:17:29.080 because he's selling

00:17:30.540 men's jewelry.

00:17:32.000 Yeah.

00:17:32.400 But he hated

00:17:32.900 selling men's jewelry

00:17:34.000 and it had some revenue

00:17:35.300 and he's like,

00:17:35.900 you know,

00:17:36.060 do you want to buy

00:17:36.380 the business sort of thing?

00:17:37.180 And I'm like,

00:17:37.520 dude,

00:17:37.660 you don't even

00:17:38.020 fucking like the business.

00:17:38.860 Why would I want

00:17:39.300 to buy it sort of thing?

00:17:40.040 But I mean,

00:17:40.760 there's a lot of people

00:17:41.380 that are moving

00:17:42.180 in and out

00:17:42.860 of like Shopify type

00:17:44.260 store setups

00:17:45.020 through Facebook

00:17:46.020 and Amazon FBA.

00:17:47.900 I saw you talk

00:17:49.160 to Dan about this.

00:17:50.860 I didn't catch

00:17:51.280 the whole episode

00:17:51.860 on your podcast,

00:17:52.540 but he was talking

00:17:53.260 about FBA

00:17:53.880 with his clothing line,

00:17:55.880 right?

00:17:56.180 So what do you think

00:17:56.740 about that today?

00:18:00.440 No,

00:18:00.940 this is,

00:18:01.500 you know,

00:18:01.800 I know Dan's business

00:18:03.040 so people are wondering

00:18:03.840 that's Dan Demski.

00:18:05.380 He runs Unbound Monero,

00:18:07.620 so specialized clothes.

00:18:09.180 Unbound Marino.

00:18:11.620 Marino,

00:18:12.080 yeah,

00:18:12.240 not Monero.

00:18:13.140 Monero's crypto,

00:18:14.260 bro.

00:18:15.280 I should make a brand

00:18:16.060 against them

00:18:16.540 the same brand.

00:18:18.300 Yeah.

00:18:18.940 All right,

00:18:19.260 Dan,

00:18:19.420 I'm coming for you.

00:18:20.200 I'm coming for you,

00:18:20.860 Danny boy.

00:18:22.440 And so,

00:18:22.740 yeah,

00:18:22.880 he specifically

00:18:23.600 doesn't do Amazon.

00:18:25.180 Now,

00:18:25.540 the reason why

00:18:26.040 he doesn't do Amazon

00:18:26.840 is justified.

00:18:28.260 There's pros and cons.

00:18:29.320 So if you're using FBA,

00:18:30.560 so FBA is fulfilled

00:18:31.300 by Amazon.

00:18:32.120 So that's like

00:18:32.600 Amazon Prime stuff

00:18:33.600 where they do

00:18:34.620 all the shipping,

00:18:35.500 which is kind of

00:18:37.140 the same thing

00:18:37.740 with Shopify.

00:18:38.400 Like you would do

00:18:39.220 Shopify partners

00:18:39.960 like Shipwire

00:18:40.680 would be a Shopify partner.

00:18:41.840 You're not doing

00:18:42.140 your own fulfillment,

00:18:42.960 so you do

00:18:43.360 Shipwire has all those

00:18:44.200 locations around the world.

00:18:45.520 And so I use FBA.

00:18:47.660 The two downsides

00:18:48.940 of Amazon is

00:18:50.340 number one,

00:18:51.100 you really do not

00:18:52.060 own your customer data.

00:18:53.560 There are

00:18:54.280 sneaky ways

00:18:55.500 for you to get it,

00:18:56.140 but it's really

00:18:56.700 difficult and annoying.

00:18:58.840 And

00:18:59.080 number two,

00:19:00.880 you don't control

00:19:01.860 the user experience

00:19:02.960 of your brand

00:19:03.540 on Amazon.

00:19:04.100 What do you mean

00:19:05.760 by that

00:19:06.140 when you say

00:19:06.520 the user experience

00:19:07.360 just to just

00:19:07.960 create some clarity

00:19:08.560 for people

00:19:08.960 that are kind

00:19:09.500 of fresh to that?

00:19:10.760 Yeah,

00:19:11.060 so at any given

00:19:11.960 time,

00:19:12.380 Amazon can delist

00:19:13.660 your certain rankings.

00:19:14.560 They can put

00:19:15.180 your spot

00:19:16.000 all the way down.

00:19:16.900 There's certain

00:19:17.340 types of images

00:19:18.220 you are allowed

00:19:19.340 and not allowed

00:19:19.840 to use

00:19:20.300 or certain text

00:19:20.980 you are allowed

00:19:21.560 and not allowed

00:19:22.020 to use.

00:19:23.220 Pretty much,

00:19:23.720 you have to follow

00:19:24.120 their guidelines,

00:19:25.760 right?

00:19:26.440 As opposed to

00:19:27.080 if I own a Shopify

00:19:27.780 store,

00:19:28.320 I can use any image

00:19:29.320 I want,

00:19:29.800 any text that I want.

00:19:31.080 It's my fucking store.

00:19:32.200 I can do whatever

00:19:32.760 I want.

00:19:33.820 However,

00:19:34.400 the thing with Amazon

00:19:35.360 is you have eyeballs

00:19:37.280 there.

00:19:37.640 You have distribution

00:19:38.180 there.

00:19:38.880 You have probably

00:19:39.860 the third biggest

00:19:40.480 search,

00:19:40.940 maybe,

00:19:41.260 well,

00:19:41.480 I would say

00:19:41.680 the fourth.

00:19:42.220 It would go Google,

00:19:43.380 YouTube,

00:19:44.180 image search,

00:19:45.080 then Amazon.

00:19:45.660 Probably the fourth

00:19:46.160 biggest search engine

00:19:47.440 on the planet

00:19:47.940 right now is Amazon

00:19:49.060 and people are,

00:19:50.500 they're intense

00:19:51.440 searching for something

00:19:52.220 to buy.

00:19:52.820 So you are missing

00:19:53.960 out on that fact.

00:19:55.100 It's a double-edged

00:19:55.980 sword,

00:19:56.540 but the crazy thing

00:19:57.900 though too is

00:19:58.580 whether it's Shopify

00:20:00.560 or Amazon

00:20:01.220 for e-commerce,

00:20:02.080 where we're heading

00:20:04.340 in the future,

00:20:05.420 it's all commodity.

00:20:06.520 Like,

00:20:06.960 you think your

00:20:07.460 products are special?

00:20:08.580 Yeah,

00:20:09.060 right.

00:20:10.020 There's a million

00:20:10.520 other people

00:20:11.020 with identical product.

00:20:12.220 I'll just go rip

00:20:12.820 your product off.

00:20:13.620 What matters the most

00:20:14.400 in any e-commerce

00:20:15.240 is the brand.

00:20:16.980 If you're not

00:20:17.340 building a brand,

00:20:18.360 which Dembski

00:20:19.260 was wise in doing,

00:20:20.720 if you're not

00:20:21.040 building a brand

00:20:21.940 that has a moat

00:20:22.780 and builds trust

00:20:23.720 and loyalty

00:20:24.340 and emotional

00:20:25.080 connection to your

00:20:25.980 audience,

00:20:26.920 your e-commerce

00:20:27.420 brand won't go

00:20:29.220 anywhere.

00:20:29.840 You have to double

00:20:30.480 down on the brand.

00:20:31.020 That's the only

00:20:31.760 fucking thing

00:20:32.320 you can protect.

00:20:33.240 Amazon already

00:20:33.680 started stealing

00:20:34.240 brands.

00:20:34.780 I told Dan my story

00:20:35.660 where I wanted to

00:20:36.940 order a Canon DSLR

00:20:38.200 case because my

00:20:39.080 old one broke.

00:20:40.140 I wasn't really

00:20:40.860 paying attention

00:20:41.500 and next thing I

00:20:42.100 know,

00:20:42.480 I open up this

00:20:43.440 case in my house

00:20:44.200 and it's fucking

00:20:44.580 Amazon Basics.

00:20:45.340 So it's not branded

00:20:48.700 with the camera.

00:20:50.060 It's just their own

00:20:51.580 house brand.

00:20:51.720 But I wasn't paying

00:20:52.280 attention, right?

00:20:53.000 But it's also like

00:20:53.760 much cheaper than

00:20:54.580 Canon.

00:20:54.880 I think I only paid

00:20:55.640 like 30 bucks

00:20:56.320 and the Canon bag

00:20:56.920 is $60.

00:20:57.580 So it's double

00:20:57.940 cheaper.

00:20:58.580 Same factory.

00:20:59.300 I guarantee it.

00:21:00.660 Okay.

00:21:01.400 Okay.

00:21:01.960 So what they're

00:21:03.340 doing is they're

00:21:03.820 basically,

00:21:04.720 their algorithms

00:21:07.420 are probably picking

00:21:08.200 up on profitable

00:21:10.080 products that sell

00:21:11.080 well with good

00:21:11.960 reviews and they

00:21:12.940 just rip off and

00:21:13.740 duplicate them.

00:21:14.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:15.040 Yeah.

00:21:15.300 100%.

00:21:15.620 Not just Canon.

00:21:17.200 They do a bunch

00:21:17.660 of different products.

00:21:18.560 So Amazon's

00:21:19.520 basically taking a

00:21:20.360 fucking playbook

00:21:23.560 out of the

00:21:23.860 fucking Chinese.

00:21:25.360 Yeah.

00:21:26.620 Wow.

00:21:27.680 Yeah.

00:21:28.360 Listen, e-commerce

00:21:29.140 is not what it used

00:21:29.940 to be.

00:21:30.240 You have to do

00:21:30.760 brand building.

00:21:31.560 End of story.

00:21:32.180 It's all about

00:21:32.760 brand.

00:21:34.060 You did that once

00:21:35.000 with your silver

00:21:36.460 lined underwear

00:21:37.380 company.

00:21:37.940 What did you call

00:21:38.340 that thing again?

00:21:39.300 Reparo.

00:21:40.140 Reparo.

00:21:40.720 That's right.

00:21:41.500 I remember you did

00:21:42.000 this commercial.

00:21:43.160 I saw it on

00:21:43.820 Facebook and I

00:21:44.340 remember years ago

00:21:44.860 where you were

00:21:45.140 playing pool with

00:21:45.860 balls and you were

00:21:46.460 talking about

00:21:46.960 protecting your

00:21:47.520 balls with the

00:21:48.160 silver lining.

00:21:49.240 Yeah.

00:21:49.840 What was your

00:21:50.360 experience with that

00:21:51.000 like when it came

00:21:51.800 to building up a

00:21:53.340 garment company,

00:21:54.120 right?

00:21:54.480 It was a really

00:21:54.960 good experience

00:21:55.540 from the e-commerce

00:21:56.100 perspective.

00:21:57.300 Gave me a good

00:21:57.640 insight.

00:21:57.980 I'll never do

00:21:58.440 fashion or clothing.

00:21:59.560 I got fucking

00:22:00.140 disdain in that

00:22:01.380 industry.

00:22:02.200 Why?

00:22:02.540 So complicated.

00:22:04.380 It gets into

00:22:04.940 the like,

00:22:06.460 it gets into

00:22:08.480 like superficial,

00:22:09.500 like I'm not a

00:22:10.800 fashion guy.

00:22:11.420 Like I don't

00:22:11.940 give a flying

00:22:12.740 fuck.

00:22:13.420 Don't get me

00:22:13.960 wrong.

00:22:14.340 I got custom

00:22:14.980 suits.

00:22:15.440 I like a nice

00:22:16.060 suit.

00:22:17.160 But when it

00:22:17.820 comes to like the

00:22:18.680 everyday fashion

00:22:19.660 stuff,

00:22:20.020 but that's my

00:22:20.420 brother.

00:22:20.740 My brother was my

00:22:21.280 business partner.

00:22:21.900 We had another

00:22:22.400 selling partner.

00:22:23.100 And so I learned

00:22:25.400 about it.

00:22:25.860 I learned the

00:22:26.680 whole ropes of

00:22:27.280 e-commerce.

00:22:27.820 I learned China

00:22:28.200 very well.

00:22:29.020 You know,

00:22:29.220 we spent a lot of

00:22:29.980 actually majority

00:22:30.660 of our customers

00:22:31.060 all China was

00:22:31.660 North America.

00:22:33.460 But I wouldn't

00:22:36.120 do clothing ever

00:22:36.940 again.

00:22:37.440 It's too many

00:22:38.000 skews,

00:22:38.580 too many headaches,

00:22:39.560 too many problems

00:22:40.180 with logistics.

00:22:41.520 You get stuck with

00:22:42.440 stock for the next

00:22:43.400 seasons because the

00:22:44.060 seasonal thing is

00:22:44.880 like so many

00:22:46.340 fucking easier

00:22:46.880 e-commerce businesses

00:22:47.640 you can do than

00:22:48.200 fucking clothing.

00:22:49.380 What did you end

00:22:49.960 up doing with that

00:22:50.420 company?

00:22:51.080 I sold my shares

00:22:51.820 to my partners.

00:22:53.100 Before we go to

00:22:56.020 crypto and

00:22:57.340 psychedelics and

00:22:59.400 stuff like that

00:22:59.940 because I want to

00:23:00.260 spend a lot of

00:23:00.700 time on that.

00:23:01.280 What else did you

00:23:01.740 do before all that

00:23:02.440 because you had

00:23:02.900 kettlebells, you

00:23:03.800 had the clothing

00:23:04.700 company, you were

00:23:05.700 doing affiliate

00:23:06.280 marketing.

00:23:07.160 I did a bunch of

00:23:08.020 JB deals.

00:23:08.840 So I helped a lot

00:23:09.460 of people on the

00:23:10.040 back end to grow

00:23:11.360 their online

00:23:11.860 businesses.

00:23:12.740 There's some

00:23:13.380 consulting.

00:23:14.000 I remember you

00:23:14.640 and I talked at

00:23:15.240 one point.

00:23:15.780 But I did

00:23:16.320 consulting in a

00:23:17.480 different way.

00:23:18.200 So I didn't

00:23:18.900 take too much

00:23:19.420 upfront costs.

00:23:21.180 So basically my

00:23:21.860 deal was depending

00:23:22.480 on the margins

00:23:23.000 you have for

00:23:23.360 the product.

00:23:23.860 Usually these

00:23:24.340 are physical

00:23:24.720 products.

00:23:25.100 So I would say

00:23:26.360 90% of it was

00:23:26.960 like, let's say

00:23:27.980 within the

00:23:28.380 supplement realm.

00:23:30.080 So basically the

00:23:31.140 deal was, okay,

00:23:31.980 what's the profit

00:23:32.660 margins you have on

00:23:33.520 these products?

00:23:34.300 Obviously that has

00:23:35.020 to make sense

00:23:35.520 mathematically.

00:23:36.640 And the deal

00:23:37.280 would be, listen,

00:23:38.160 I usually charge

00:23:39.060 that.

00:23:39.380 I won't charge.

00:23:39.960 I'm charging based

00:23:40.660 on performance.

00:23:41.340 So it's a win-win.

00:23:42.080 It's a win for you.

00:23:42.680 It's a win for me.

00:23:43.300 If I can get you

00:23:44.200 to X revenue

00:23:44.820 just on online

00:23:45.560 sales, nothing

00:23:46.080 to do with

00:23:46.380 offline or store

00:23:47.080 sales, but

00:23:47.520 physically on the

00:23:50.720 online store, based

00:23:52.620 on these funnels,

00:23:53.360 based on these

00:23:53.740 metrics, if I can

00:23:54.500 hit this milestone

00:23:55.280 of ABC, this is

00:23:56.520 the revenue share

00:23:57.160 that I won.

00:23:57.740 So I made money

00:23:58.320 on the back end.

00:24:00.020 Didn't you also

00:24:00.620 put out a book

00:24:01.260 on self-care?

00:24:03.860 Yeah.

00:24:04.440 Workouts or diet

00:24:05.200 or something like

00:24:05.700 that?

00:24:05.940 I had a TV show

00:24:06.760 too on Rogers TV.

00:24:08.540 What'd you do

00:24:09.060 on that show?

00:24:09.980 It was called

00:24:10.740 Shape Up with

00:24:11.320 the Mirror Kettlebell

00:24:12.460 Show.

00:24:13.340 And they ran it

00:24:14.000 for four seasons.

00:24:15.200 Really?

00:24:16.160 Yeah, I forgot

00:24:16.680 about that shit.

00:24:17.840 Wow.

00:24:18.740 Wow.

00:24:19.560 Yeah.

00:24:20.180 Why did that wind

00:24:20.780 down?

00:24:21.020 It was just not

00:24:21.500 profitable?

00:24:21.980 It was a waste of

00:24:22.340 time?

00:24:23.180 I was doing it

00:24:23.840 for free.

00:24:24.540 Yeah.

00:24:24.900 I mean, like

00:24:25.840 local TV.

00:24:27.040 Fucking Rogers TV

00:24:27.880 I was doing it

00:24:28.320 for free.

00:24:28.660 I'm like, you

00:24:28.880 motherfuckers making

00:24:29.500 money off me

00:24:30.000 running ads on

00:24:30.660 there.

00:24:30.780 What the fuck

00:24:31.080 do I get out

00:24:31.480 of this?

00:24:32.700 You know what I'm

00:24:33.080 saying?

00:24:33.420 Like, shit.

00:24:34.320 I did two sessions

00:24:36.480 in my debt

00:24:37.040 business with

00:24:37.560 Roger TV back

00:24:38.620 in like 2007

00:24:39.480 and 2008.

00:24:40.160 It was just like

00:24:40.700 such a waste of

00:24:42.640 time.

00:24:43.140 Yeah.

00:24:43.460 I didn't even know

00:24:44.640 cable TV is alive

00:24:45.540 anymore.

00:24:45.980 Like, I have no

00:24:46.460 idea.

00:24:47.100 Yeah, it's dying.

00:24:48.620 We were talking

00:24:49.940 on your show

00:24:50.500 about how you're

00:24:51.380 kind of like

00:24:51.900 naturally red

00:24:52.680 pilled when it

00:24:53.200 comes to

00:24:53.540 understanding the

00:24:54.200 dynamics between

00:24:55.000 men and women.

00:24:56.100 Yeah.

00:24:57.200 You know, I

00:24:57.880 think one of the

00:24:58.540 sound bites that

00:24:59.900 I dropped on you

00:25:00.540 because I kind of

00:25:00.960 wanted to test you

00:25:01.580 a little bit to

00:25:02.040 see how you would

00:25:03.900 kind of respond to it.

00:25:04.720 I said, happy

00:25:05.140 wife, happy life.

00:25:06.020 And you said, F that.

00:25:06.820 It's happy me

00:25:07.980 first.

00:25:09.000 Yeah.

00:25:09.580 Where did you get

00:25:10.380 that mindset from?

00:25:14.940 I've always been

00:25:16.040 that way, but not

00:25:18.060 in the most

00:25:18.860 respectful format,

00:25:21.100 let me say.

00:25:21.560 I'm a big

00:25:23.840 connoisseur

00:25:24.340 mythology.

00:25:26.120 What do you

00:25:26.660 mean, like Greek

00:25:27.600 mythology?

00:25:28.520 Oh, mythology.

00:25:29.480 The mythology of

00:25:30.360 Homo sapiens.

00:25:31.560 So whether it's the

00:25:32.780 works of Krishna

00:25:33.480 Murthy or Bhagavad

00:25:34.840 Gita or Joseph

00:25:35.840 Campbell or the

00:25:38.480 Upanishads or, you

00:25:40.400 know, people of

00:25:40.880 modern day like

00:25:41.420 Alan Watts fans.

00:25:42.620 is if you look

00:25:44.500 at mythology

00:25:45.160 and you look

00:25:47.980 at the source

00:25:48.600 message and

00:25:49.680 religion has

00:25:50.420 this too, if

00:25:51.000 you really

00:25:51.300 dissect the

00:25:52.120 bullshit in

00:25:52.660 front of

00:25:52.920 religion and

00:25:53.420 get to the

00:25:54.060 inner teachings

00:25:55.400 of religion

00:25:56.020 is one needs

00:25:57.620 to love

00:25:57.920 themselves.

00:25:58.280 That's it.

00:25:58.920 At the end of

00:25:59.360 the day, like

00:25:59.680 respect yourself,

00:26:00.700 not in a greedy

00:26:01.700 egotistical way,

00:26:02.780 like, oh, fuck

00:26:03.440 you.

00:26:03.780 I'm better than

00:26:04.480 you.

00:26:05.060 No, no, no,

00:26:05.440 no, no, no.

00:26:06.340 Is respect the

00:26:07.640 temple, which is

00:26:08.780 you, the temple,

00:26:10.060 which is a

00:26:10.540 physical temple,

00:26:11.860 a mental temple

00:26:12.860 and a spiritual

00:26:13.660 temple.

00:26:14.800 Because, you

00:26:15.460 know, there's a

00:26:16.200 saying from Rumi,

00:26:17.500 one of my

00:26:17.820 favorite Persian

00:26:18.600 poets and

00:26:19.240 philosophers,

00:26:19.840 yesterday I was

00:26:20.460 clever, I want

00:26:21.060 to change the

00:26:21.600 world.

00:26:22.020 You can't

00:26:22.320 change anybody,

00:26:23.060 substitute world

00:26:23.640 for person.

00:26:24.400 You can never

00:26:24.900 change the world

00:26:25.540 of person.

00:26:26.500 Then he says,

00:26:27.220 today I'm wiser,

00:26:28.540 I'm going to

00:26:28.900 change myself.

00:26:29.720 Because that's

00:26:30.060 the one fucking

00:26:30.660 thing you can

00:26:31.280 change.

00:26:32.120 I can control

00:26:33.020 how I think.

00:26:33.900 I can control

00:26:34.560 if I go to the

00:26:35.240 gym.

00:26:35.800 I can control

00:26:36.500 what food I eat.

00:26:37.720 I can control

00:26:38.280 the words that

00:26:38.940 come out of my

00:26:39.340 mouth.

00:26:39.540 I can control

00:26:40.080 the pen in my

00:26:40.660 hand to write

00:26:41.160 something down.

00:26:41.900 These are things

00:26:42.480 that are in my

00:26:43.080 control.

00:26:43.900 Everything else,

00:26:44.700 all this shit

00:26:45.100 with politics,

00:26:46.500 all this shit

00:26:47.040 with the weather,

00:26:48.860 everything,

00:26:49.360 I cannot control

00:26:50.400 that.

00:26:50.860 Nor should it

00:26:51.440 feel real estate

00:26:52.080 in my mind

00:26:52.760 because my mind

00:26:53.900 should just be

00:26:54.340 focusing on

00:26:54.840 myself.

00:26:55.400 So once I

00:26:56.340 focus myself

00:26:57.120 and I love

00:26:57.580 myself,

00:26:58.100 everything else

00:26:58.720 is secondary.

00:26:59.280 Everything else

00:26:59.620 is easier.

00:27:00.400 You are then

00:27:00.800 the best

00:27:01.280 personification of

00:27:02.860 yourself in this

00:27:03.620 reality to

00:27:05.140 interact with

00:27:05.740 people.

00:27:06.940 That's how I

00:27:07.580 view it.

00:27:07.900 where did

00:27:09.060 you get pushback

00:27:12.280 from people

00:27:12.740 when it comes

00:27:13.280 to these types

00:27:14.160 of conversations

00:27:14.860 with putting

00:27:15.400 yourself first?

00:27:17.000 Do you ever

00:27:17.260 get called

00:27:17.600 selfish or

00:27:18.280 you're a prick

00:27:18.740 or you're an

00:27:19.120 asshole or

00:27:19.620 anything like

00:27:19.960 that?

00:27:21.520 Maybe I do.

00:27:22.580 It probably

00:27:23.280 just goes one

00:27:23.900 year out the

00:27:24.260 other.

00:27:24.440 I don't

00:27:24.820 register.

00:27:25.440 I don't

00:27:25.720 fucking know.

00:27:26.680 I'm pretty

00:27:27.240 blunt with

00:27:27.700 what I think,

00:27:28.980 so I don't

00:27:29.400 know.

00:27:30.020 Do you ever

00:27:30.260 get pushback

00:27:30.780 from people?

00:27:31.160 I don't

00:27:33.920 know,

00:27:34.260 man.

00:27:34.420 Not really,

00:27:35.060 to tell you

00:27:35.280 the truth.

00:27:36.280 People don't

00:27:37.000 really go head

00:27:37.600 on against

00:27:38.000 me.

00:27:38.600 No?

00:27:39.600 No.

00:27:40.140 I don't

00:27:40.380 know.

00:27:40.520 It's weird.

00:27:41.500 What do

00:27:41.660 you get

00:27:41.880 challenged on

00:27:43.000 the most

00:27:43.460 by your

00:27:43.840 wife?

00:27:44.800 Let me

00:27:45.060 ask you

00:27:45.280 that question

00:27:45.680 and kind

00:27:45.940 of put it

00:27:46.180 that way.

00:27:47.000 What does

00:27:47.240 she push

00:27:47.920 into you

00:27:48.240 for the

00:27:48.920 most?

00:27:50.900 I don't

00:27:51.340 know.

00:27:51.520 My wife

00:27:51.860 is smart.

00:27:52.860 She understands

00:27:53.860 evolutionary

00:27:54.440 biology,

00:27:55.160 psychology.

00:27:55.800 She's a

00:27:56.040 doctor,

00:27:56.580 so she's

00:27:57.120 smart cookie

00:27:58.000 in that

00:27:58.280 aspect.

00:27:58.740 I think

00:28:02.040 I hit the

00:28:02.360 jackpot.

00:28:03.000 She understands

00:28:03.880 the male

00:28:05.840 energy,

00:28:06.760 female energy,

00:28:07.460 the roles,

00:28:08.240 everything.

00:28:08.960 In the

00:28:09.360 yang,

00:28:09.840 she's not

00:28:10.920 into this

00:28:11.300 feminist bullshit.

00:28:12.080 She's like,

00:28:12.700 fuck that

00:28:13.100 shit.

00:28:13.860 What do

00:28:14.020 you think

00:28:14.220 of feminism?

00:28:16.500 I think

00:28:16.900 it originally

00:28:17.360 served a good

00:28:18.080 purpose,

00:28:19.040 the first,

00:28:19.720 second wave.

00:28:20.720 Even going

00:28:21.300 back when

00:28:21.700 they didn't

00:28:21.860 have voting

00:28:22.280 rights.

00:28:23.740 When they

00:28:24.820 say there's

00:28:25.060 no equality,

00:28:25.400 there's

00:28:25.580 equality right

00:28:26.360 now.

00:28:26.480 I don't

00:28:26.600 know what

00:28:26.740 the hell

00:28:26.920 people are

00:28:27.300 talking about.

00:28:27.760 If you're

00:28:28.740 in North

00:28:28.960 America,

00:28:29.820 the law

00:28:30.280 applies to

00:28:30.760 all.

00:28:31.060 Now,

00:28:31.960 within the

00:28:32.400 courts,

00:28:32.700 it's a

00:28:32.840 different

00:28:32.980 story.

00:28:33.400 It depends

00:28:33.740 on,

00:28:34.080 for example,

00:28:34.640 we talk

00:28:34.920 about family

00:28:35.320 a lot.

00:28:36.360 The man

00:28:36.860 gets fucked

00:28:37.240 in that

00:28:37.460 situation.

00:28:38.100 However,

00:28:38.960 in most

00:28:39.880 cases,

00:28:40.220 if you look

00:28:40.660 at today's

00:28:41.240 legal laws

00:28:42.060 on the

00:28:42.300 federal

00:28:42.500 level,

00:28:43.380 when it

00:28:43.840 comes to

00:28:44.480 opportunities,

00:28:45.620 women have

00:28:46.000 the same

00:28:46.320 opportunity

00:28:47.020 as men.

00:28:48.980 I don't

00:28:49.600 see an

00:28:49.900 issue in

00:28:50.260 that.

00:28:51.600 I think

00:28:52.100 the saying

00:28:53.880 a rebel

00:28:54.200 without the

00:28:54.660 cause,

00:28:55.400 I really

00:28:56.260 believe that's

00:28:56.920 what it is.

00:28:57.340 And it's

00:28:57.920 funny when

00:28:58.340 they say

00:28:58.600 they want

00:28:58.880 to fight

00:28:59.180 the patriarchy

00:29:00.100 when they're

00:29:01.340 in fact

00:29:01.660 becoming the

00:29:02.180 patriarchy.

00:29:03.220 If you look

00:29:03.720 at female,

00:29:04.420 it's a divine

00:29:04.980 feminine energy.

00:29:06.020 If you look

00:29:06.600 at Mother

00:29:06.960 Gaia,

00:29:07.460 if you study

00:29:08.100 mythology,

00:29:08.760 it needs to

00:29:09.440 be nurturing,

00:29:10.280 it needs to

00:29:10.600 be kind,

00:29:11.180 it needs to

00:29:11.460 have empathy.

00:29:12.420 This is why

00:29:12.920 women are

00:29:13.600 geared towards

00:29:14.680 communism and

00:29:16.260 socialism and

00:29:17.380 UBI.

00:29:18.280 They have that

00:29:18.720 nurturing,

00:29:19.360 loving,

00:29:19.800 this is why

00:29:20.380 they're better

00:29:20.760 with kids than

00:29:21.380 men.

00:29:21.540 We're

00:29:22.180 strict,

00:29:22.920 we're more

00:29:23.420 stern,

00:29:24.400 we have the

00:29:25.040 masculine,

00:29:25.740 strong,

00:29:26.180 divine energy,

00:29:26.840 they have the

00:29:27.200 feminine,

00:29:28.140 I'm going to

00:29:28.580 say soft,

00:29:29.160 but still

00:29:29.420 strong,

00:29:29.760 but the

00:29:30.000 feminine,

00:29:30.840 caring,

00:29:31.340 and they

00:29:31.880 need each

00:29:32.740 other.

00:29:33.840 Literally,

00:29:34.380 we need

00:29:34.680 each other.

00:29:35.120 It's not

00:29:35.400 I'm better

00:29:36.080 than you,

00:29:36.600 you're better

00:29:36.940 than me.

00:29:37.380 No,

00:29:37.600 we coexist

00:29:38.260 together.

00:29:39.260 This is the

00:29:39.640 fucking very

00:29:40.200 nature of

00:29:40.700 tribes.

00:29:41.220 Do you

00:29:44.560 think it's

00:29:44.920 the

00:29:45.060 supremacist

00:29:45.620 movement?

00:29:47.080 Or do you

00:29:47.380 think it's

00:29:47.640 leaning into

00:29:48.100 that?

00:29:52.620 Yeah,

00:29:53.300 I think

00:29:54.360 99% of

00:29:55.340 the people

00:29:55.700 in that

00:29:55.960 movement

00:29:56.200 don't even

00:29:56.620 know how

00:29:56.940 to think

00:29:57.200 for themselves.

00:29:59.360 I'm a

00:29:59.920 firm believer

00:30:00.480 in

00:30:01.340 Rene Girard's

00:30:03.400 memetic

00:30:03.800 theories.

00:30:05.400 Highly

00:30:05.880 recommend

00:30:06.300 everybody

00:30:06.620 reads about

00:30:07.300 that.

00:30:07.840 In a

00:30:08.060 nutshell,

00:30:08.460 it's

00:30:08.540 monkey

00:30:08.780 see,

00:30:09.080 monkey

00:30:09.260 do,

00:30:09.540 hive

00:30:09.760 mind.

00:30:10.080 One

00:30:11.540 person's

00:30:12.020 intelligence.

00:30:12.640 You can

00:30:12.900 take the

00:30:13.220 most

00:30:13.420 craziest

00:30:13.920 individual

00:30:14.580 in the

00:30:16.240 world and

00:30:17.260 sit down

00:30:17.660 with that

00:30:17.920 person.

00:30:18.560 For the

00:30:18.880 most part,

00:30:19.400 you can

00:30:19.600 find some

00:30:20.120 commonalities

00:30:20.840 with those

00:30:21.460 two people.

00:30:22.380 You can

00:30:22.540 at least

00:30:22.820 have a

00:30:23.540 semi-civilized

00:30:24.900 conversation.

00:30:26.300 You can

00:30:26.480 take that

00:30:26.840 same

00:30:27.060 individual

00:30:27.500 and throw

00:30:27.840 them on

00:30:28.140 the

00:30:28.280 streets

00:30:28.600 with

00:30:28.840 like-minded

00:30:29.340 people

00:30:30.320 like them.

00:30:30.900 They don't

00:30:31.120 think for

00:30:31.460 themselves.

00:30:31.840 They're

00:30:31.940 part of

00:30:32.200 that

00:30:32.320 hive

00:30:32.580 mind.

00:30:33.480 I

00:30:33.560 always

00:30:33.740 tell my

00:30:34.040 wife,

00:30:34.440 as soon

00:30:34.640 as I

00:30:34.860 see a

00:30:35.120 crowd,

00:30:35.460 I

00:30:35.500 leave.

00:30:36.280 I'll

00:30:36.500 tell you

00:30:36.660 this

00:30:36.780 story

00:30:36.940 in

00:30:37.060 Toronto.

00:30:38.140 The real

00:30:38.640 story right

00:30:39.180 now.

00:30:39.880 Toronto

00:30:40.280 Raptors

00:30:40.940 won.

00:30:41.520 We had

00:30:41.840 that crazy

00:30:42.360 parade.

00:30:42.840 The most

00:30:43.160 human

00:30:43.400 beings in

00:30:43.860 Toronto

00:30:44.100 ever.

00:30:44.820 I don't

00:30:45.300 know what

00:30:45.440 the fuck.

00:30:45.700 It's like

00:30:45.820 a million

00:30:46.080 people.

00:30:47.260 I had to

00:30:47.900 go to a

00:30:48.260 fucking

00:30:48.460 business

00:30:48.860 meeting.

00:30:49.400 I left.

00:30:50.460 I'm talking

00:30:50.660 to my wife.

00:30:51.600 She's like,

00:30:51.880 I wish I was

00:30:52.360 there.

00:30:52.580 I'm like,

00:30:52.940 I'm fucking

00:30:53.940 leaving this

00:30:55.000 second.

00:30:55.720 Trust me,

00:30:56.240 shit's about

00:30:56.700 to go down.

00:30:58.240 Literally,

00:30:59.020 the same

00:30:59.380 fucking spot

00:31:00.060 that I was

00:31:00.480 fucking

00:31:00.760 standing in

00:31:01.360 telling her

00:31:01.740 that 20

00:31:02.220 minutes people

00:31:02.780 were getting

00:31:03.080 shot at.

00:31:05.740 Groups are

00:31:06.240 idiots.

00:31:07.060 Groups are

00:31:07.520 dumb.

00:31:07.840 Stay away

00:31:08.100 from groups.

00:31:09.880 We can

00:31:10.500 talk about

00:31:11.740 society a bit

00:31:13.440 too.

00:31:13.840 What do you

00:31:14.100 think of the

00:31:14.480 state of men

00:31:14.980 today and

00:31:15.680 masculinity and

00:31:16.580 their place in

00:31:17.160 society?

00:31:18.460 I think

00:31:19.120 people will

00:31:19.580 say,

00:31:20.760 remember,

00:31:22.240 you can't

00:31:22.940 paint the

00:31:23.440 same brush

00:31:23.900 around the

00:31:24.320 world.

00:31:24.820 The issues

00:31:25.440 that we have

00:31:25.920 in North

00:31:26.220 America.

00:31:27.280 Let's talk

00:31:27.580 about North

00:31:27.940 America.

00:31:28.920 I think we're

00:31:32.040 in a good

00:31:32.360 place.

00:31:33.080 If you see

00:31:34.140 the movement,

00:31:36.300 I think there's

00:31:37.180 a yearning.

00:31:38.760 No one's

00:31:39.420 saying go

00:31:39.760 back to the

00:31:40.260 old ways.

00:31:41.020 No,

00:31:41.180 no,

00:31:41.280 no.

00:31:41.500 This is why

00:31:42.180 I bring up

00:31:42.520 mythology.

00:31:43.580 Mythology is

00:31:44.180 about taking

00:31:45.000 the very

00:31:45.760 nature of

00:31:46.740 homo sapiens

00:31:48.400 and updating

00:31:49.140 them to the

00:31:49.740 current status.

00:31:50.360 This is why

00:31:50.620 religion doesn't

00:31:51.200 work.

00:31:52.500 Religion is

00:31:53.240 still on

00:31:55.060 the old

00:31:55.580 software of

00:31:56.360 2000 years

00:31:57.080 ago.

00:31:57.360 It hasn't

00:31:57.620 updated its

00:31:58.180 fucking

00:31:58.400 software to

00:31:59.100 represent

00:31:59.580 2020.

00:32:01.240 If you look

00:32:01.960 at the

00:32:02.520 software of

00:32:04.120 human beings,

00:32:04.800 of homo

00:32:05.120 sapiens,

00:32:06.600 if we

00:32:06.960 update it

00:32:07.420 for 2020,

00:32:08.160 I think

00:32:08.560 this is just

00:32:09.080 a part of

00:32:09.620 that.

00:32:09.800 There's a

00:32:10.300 Buddhist saying,

00:32:10.900 it is as

00:32:11.880 it should be.

00:32:12.840 If we look

00:32:13.380 back in

00:32:13.740 hindsight,

00:32:14.680 in the

00:32:14.960 future,

00:32:15.580 this is part

00:32:16.820 of the

00:32:17.080 necessary process

00:32:18.000 to get

00:32:18.360 where we

00:32:18.660 are.

00:32:19.300 It's about

00:32:19.740 evolving the

00:32:20.440 man.

00:32:20.580 It's not

00:32:20.800 going back

00:32:21.360 to

00:32:21.560 tradition.

00:32:22.560 It's not

00:32:22.800 going back

00:32:23.120 to this

00:32:23.840 is how

00:32:24.140 it should

00:32:24.400 be.

00:32:24.580 No.

00:32:25.080 I think

00:32:25.760 back in

00:32:26.600 the day,

00:32:27.320 even when

00:32:27.840 I was

00:32:28.120 growing up,

00:32:28.780 I never

00:32:29.160 seen my

00:32:29.560 father cry

00:32:30.240 and listening

00:32:31.240 to certain

00:32:31.760 rappers and

00:32:32.660 the stuff

00:32:33.140 that has

00:32:33.400 exposed.

00:32:34.040 I was

00:32:34.220 like,

00:32:35.140 I should

00:32:35.520 never cry.

00:32:36.160 I should

00:32:36.360 never tell

00:32:36.680 my emotions

00:32:37.140 to people.

00:32:37.780 I should

00:32:38.000 never heal

00:32:38.880 myself.

00:32:39.440 That was

00:32:39.640 considered

00:32:40.000 being a

00:32:40.720 pussy.

00:32:41.100 That was

00:32:41.280 considered

00:32:41.540 being weak.

00:32:42.200 It's like,

00:32:42.700 no,

00:32:42.900 fuck your

00:32:43.420 emotions.

00:32:44.000 Bottle your

00:32:44.560 emotions.

00:32:45.240 Are you

00:32:45.440 crazy?

00:32:45.760 We know

00:32:46.280 for a

00:32:46.580 fact if

00:32:46.960 you bottle

00:32:47.260 your emotions,

00:32:47.940 if you don't

00:32:48.240 take care of

00:32:48.880 your PTSD,

00:32:49.660 which I

00:32:50.020 know I

00:32:50.400 fucking

00:32:50.640 have it,

00:32:51.260 if you

00:32:51.420 don't take

00:32:51.700 care of

00:32:51.920 a bunch

00:32:52.200 of your

00:32:52.400 traumas,

00:32:52.820 that shit's

00:32:53.120 going to

00:32:53.320 eat you

00:32:53.720 up psychologically,

00:32:54.760 mentally,

00:32:55.060 and physically.

00:32:56.320 How did

00:32:58.280 you get

00:32:58.520 PTSD?

00:33:01.080 A lot of

00:33:03.180 it's through

00:33:03.540 osmosis of

00:33:04.200 how my dad

00:33:04.820 treated my

00:33:05.220 mom,

00:33:05.840 through the

00:33:06.120 shit when

00:33:06.400 I was

00:33:06.660 younger.

00:33:11.540 It's like

00:33:12.380 just my

00:33:14.380 childhood

00:33:14.680 experience.

00:33:15.760 coupled with

00:33:18.840 I think

00:33:20.020 lack of

00:33:20.440 loving

00:33:20.660 myself.

00:33:22.160 Let me

00:33:23.680 just

00:33:23.880 reframe it

00:33:25.540 a little

00:33:25.740 bit.

00:33:27.380 I do

00:33:27.960 a show

00:33:28.220 on Monday

00:33:28.520 nights with

00:33:29.020 a clinical

00:33:29.440 psychologist.

00:33:30.280 His name's

00:33:30.800 Sean T.

00:33:32.060 Smith.

00:33:32.360 By the

00:33:32.540 way,

00:33:32.880 book

00:33:33.060 recommendation

00:33:33.460 for you.

00:33:34.100 If you

00:33:34.220 haven't read

00:33:34.780 this book,

00:33:36.020 Amir,

00:33:36.280 I think

00:33:36.540 you'd like

00:33:36.880 it.

00:33:37.080 It's called

00:33:37.280 Tactical

00:33:37.640 Guide to

00:33:37.940 Women.

00:33:38.660 Sean wrote

00:33:39.320 it.

00:33:40.460 I was

00:33:42.580 actually talking

00:33:43.060 to him

00:33:43.420 personally

00:33:43.820 about my

00:33:44.900 own

00:33:45.200 experience

00:33:46.020 tied into

00:33:47.080 I didn't

00:33:48.100 call it

00:33:48.500 PTSD at

00:33:49.180 the time,

00:33:49.620 but I was

00:33:49.960 going through

00:33:50.700 these symptoms

00:33:51.320 of can't sleep

00:33:52.000 at night,

00:33:52.400 recurring

00:33:52.660 nightmares,

00:33:54.000 couldn't visit

00:33:54.880 certain places

00:33:55.920 because they

00:33:56.360 would create

00:33:56.860 recurring

00:33:57.840 memories and

00:33:59.080 triggers and

00:33:59.860 stuff like that.

00:34:00.920 He was

00:34:01.380 explaining to me

00:34:01.960 like it's

00:34:03.880 all basically

00:34:04.980 symptoms of

00:34:05.840 PTSD but

00:34:06.820 different from

00:34:07.340 the way that

00:34:07.880 a soldier

00:34:08.960 will get

00:34:09.420 from shell

00:34:10.660 shock,

00:34:11.040 you know,

00:34:11.160 for example.

00:34:12.200 But it's

00:34:13.780 essentially when

00:34:14.780 your safe world

00:34:15.400 theory collapses.

00:34:16.900 Like you create

00:34:18.180 this belief around

00:34:19.360 an idea that

00:34:20.880 you completely

00:34:21.460 subscribe to and

00:34:22.320 you build your

00:34:22.780 entire life around

00:34:23.680 it and then it

00:34:25.060 collapses on

00:34:25.700 itself and then

00:34:26.640 you end up with

00:34:27.400 what are essentially

00:34:28.320 the symptoms of

00:34:29.080 PTSD.

00:34:29.940 It's one of the

00:34:30.440 many reasons why

00:34:31.380 a lot of guys

00:34:31.880 that I talk to

00:34:33.000 are from coaching

00:34:33.620 if they're going

00:34:34.100 through the

00:34:34.720 divorce process,

00:34:36.580 you know,

00:34:36.860 they subscribe to

00:34:37.620 something like

00:34:38.160 happy wife,

00:34:38.720 happy life.

00:34:39.780 Yeah.

00:34:40.060 I just did

00:34:40.720 everything she said.

00:34:41.620 I bought the

00:34:41.960 house she wanted.

00:34:42.720 I moved to the

00:34:43.260 city she wanted

00:34:43.920 to.

00:34:44.480 I, you know,

00:34:44.980 I renovated the

00:34:45.640 bathroom the way

00:34:46.280 that she did but

00:34:46.880 she was still

00:34:47.400 fucking Kevin from

00:34:48.200 sales, right?

00:34:49.440 How could this

00:34:50.080 happen to me?

00:34:50.760 You know,

00:34:50.900 I was a good guy,

00:34:51.620 blah, blah, blah.

00:34:52.100 And it's like,

00:34:52.820 you know,

00:34:53.200 they have to go

00:34:54.020 through this

00:34:54.440 unfucking of their

00:34:55.280 lives because they

00:34:56.280 have that safe

00:34:57.460 oral theory that

00:34:58.080 collapses on itself

00:34:58.980 and they essentially

00:34:59.540 end up with all

00:35:00.120 the symptoms of

00:35:00.760 PTSD.

00:35:01.840 So, like,

00:35:02.620 it's interesting,

00:35:03.420 like,

00:35:03.660 I'm learning more

00:35:04.220 and more about

00:35:04.900 how different

00:35:05.620 people, you know,

00:35:06.520 suffer with this

00:35:07.220 and it's interesting

00:35:07.980 because, I mean,

00:35:08.620 we talked at the

00:35:09.640 end of our podcast

00:35:10.840 that we did on

00:35:11.400 your show about

00:35:12.440 mushrooms and I

00:35:13.920 know there's a lot

00:35:14.440 of research around

00:35:15.260 how that is,

00:35:16.860 how they're starting

00:35:18.060 to find ways to

00:35:18.920 apply psilocybin to

00:35:20.440 people suffering

00:35:21.280 with PTSD.

00:35:22.040 You're pretty

00:35:24.760 open about

00:35:25.500 psilocybin in

00:35:26.800 your use of

00:35:27.480 psychedelics.

00:35:28.140 I'm open about

00:35:28.600 all psychedelics.

00:35:29.520 I'm super bullish.

00:35:30.540 Like, that's the

00:35:30.900 next industry I'm

00:35:31.700 going balls deep

00:35:32.860 in.

00:35:33.400 Yeah, so

00:35:34.020 what's your

00:35:35.580 experience been

00:35:36.700 with using

00:35:37.920 psychedelics to

00:35:39.380 heal yourself

00:35:40.600 or to optimize

00:35:41.720 yourself?

00:35:42.660 Good question.

00:35:44.780 I think it's

00:35:45.560 really important

00:35:46.280 that a couple

00:35:47.920 of things we

00:35:48.360 need to take

00:35:48.900 into consideration.

00:35:49.720 Number one,

00:35:50.260 that we're still

00:35:50.720 very early when

00:35:51.420 it comes to

00:35:51.860 research.

00:35:53.080 We need a lot

00:35:53.760 of more research.

00:35:55.760 We're blessed

00:35:56.460 to have amazing

00:35:57.060 organizations like

00:35:57.940 MAPS that are

00:35:58.500 leading stage 3

00:35:59.980 clinical trials.

00:36:00.860 I think within

00:36:01.240 18 months,

00:36:01.920 we'll see both

00:36:02.520 in Canada and

00:36:02.940 United States

00:36:03.520 licensed MDMA

00:36:05.820 facilities.

00:36:07.100 You think so?

00:36:08.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:09.300 At least in

00:36:10.020 California and

00:36:10.880 then Canada will

00:36:11.520 follow.

00:36:12.080 I think Canada

00:36:12.660 will be the

00:36:13.020 first country in

00:36:13.560 the world to

00:36:13.940 fully decriminalize

00:36:15.000 psilocybin

00:36:16.040 mushrooms.

00:36:16.920 Vancouver mayor

00:36:17.560 already went

00:36:18.480 publicly and stated

00:36:19.280 that it's not in

00:36:20.460 their priority to

00:36:21.080 arrest anybody

00:36:21.640 with shrooms.

00:36:22.720 They don't give

00:36:23.040 a fuck.

00:36:24.500 It's technically

00:36:25.100 illegal, but

00:36:25.740 they're not

00:36:26.000 enforcing it.

00:36:28.220 It's really

00:36:28.820 important for

00:36:29.260 people to

00:36:29.560 understand.

00:36:30.000 It's not the

00:36:30.520 simple act of

00:36:31.440 using psychedelics

00:36:32.720 and it's not a

00:36:33.180 panacea whatsoever.

00:36:34.800 It's scary and

00:36:35.740 it's not recommended

00:36:36.380 for everybody.

00:36:37.180 If you're on

00:36:37.660 SSRIs, if you're

00:36:38.720 on benzos, if

00:36:39.620 you're on

00:36:39.940 certain, let's

00:36:40.520 say, blood

00:36:41.400 pressure or

00:36:42.300 blood thinners,

00:36:43.520 there are

00:36:44.180 conflicting drugs

00:36:45.220 that you need to

00:36:46.060 be aware that

00:36:46.760 might conflict.

00:36:47.340 You might have a

00:36:47.760 psychotic episode

00:36:48.640 if you're doing

00:36:49.140 five grams of

00:36:50.420 mushrooms or

00:36:51.040 doing some

00:36:51.540 DMT.

00:36:53.600 I do stress

00:36:56.260 warning and I

00:36:56.820 always recommend

00:36:57.260 people, if they're

00:36:57.800 looking for a

00:36:58.400 practitioner, go to

00:36:59.620 maps.org or

00:37:00.760 maps.ca and they

00:37:02.320 have a registry and

00:37:03.480 they can help you

00:37:03.920 out.

00:37:04.600 Number two that's

00:37:05.320 really important is

00:37:06.380 the integration and

00:37:08.020 the follow-through.

00:37:09.420 It's not simply you

00:37:10.480 taking MDMA, which

00:37:12.180 for me has been the

00:37:13.600 best when it comes

00:37:14.300 to PTSD.

00:37:15.660 It's not simply

00:37:16.120 taking MDMA or

00:37:17.360 psilocybin and

00:37:18.340 be like, ah, you

00:37:19.460 know what I mean?

00:37:20.200 There's a process of

00:37:21.200 integration, so

00:37:22.000 there's new forms of

00:37:23.220 therapy.

00:37:24.180 I wouldn't say new

00:37:24.720 forms, but forms

00:37:26.080 more geared towards

00:37:29.240 psychedelic therapy,

00:37:30.200 like ABC is a form,

00:37:31.440 family integrative

00:37:32.460 practices, another

00:37:33.460 form.

00:37:34.560 But it's about the

00:37:35.740 integration process,

00:37:36.940 you know, it's like

00:37:37.420 who you're working

00:37:37.980 with.

00:37:38.280 I do recommend,

00:37:39.280 like at least at the

00:37:39.940 beginning, if people

00:37:40.600 are serious, if they've

00:37:42.020 been medically

00:37:42.560 diagnosed with PTSD

00:37:43.880 or some form of

00:37:44.640 trauma, you know,

00:37:45.620 psilocybin has been

00:37:46.740 shown clinically to

00:37:47.720 work very well with

00:37:48.640 PTSD, same with MDMA,

00:37:50.260 has been shown to

00:37:51.160 really work with

00:37:51.980 anxiety and fear, so

00:37:53.440 they've done great

00:37:54.360 studies when it comes

00:37:55.180 to people on death

00:37:56.080 row, not death row,

00:37:57.040 on hospice care, so

00:37:58.760 people who are maybe

00:38:00.020 a couple of days,

00:38:00.680 a couple of weeks,

00:38:01.220 a couple of months

00:38:01.660 left, primarily

00:38:02.700 cancer, and they just

00:38:04.240 can't accept the fate

00:38:05.180 that they're in, and

00:38:05.820 they've given

00:38:06.140 psilocybin treatments,

00:38:07.740 and they come to

00:38:08.400 peace.

00:38:08.760 They actually have,

00:38:10.000 some of them in

00:38:10.760 quotation states,

00:38:11.640 they've had like a

00:38:12.460 godlike experience.

00:38:13.880 through psilocybin,

00:38:15.140 and they've come to

00:38:18.700 acknowledge their

00:38:19.980 situation, and they're

00:38:21.400 ready to go.

00:38:22.160 It's actually a

00:38:22.820 remarkable way, like

00:38:23.820 instead of being

00:38:24.940 stressed and having

00:38:25.920 anxiety about to die,

00:38:27.200 they're like, I'm

00:38:27.520 ready, I get it, this

00:38:28.600 is what it is.

00:38:29.840 They've had great

00:38:30.600 success with MDMA and

00:38:32.880 psilocybin for people

00:38:33.820 who suffer deep trauma,

00:38:34.920 so let's say women

00:38:35.800 that have been raped,

00:38:36.720 or men that have been

00:38:37.760 abused as a child, you

00:38:38.900 name it.

00:38:39.220 Like, majority of the

00:38:40.200 majority of our

00:38:41.040 characteristics that we

00:38:42.000 have today, how we

00:38:43.400 behave, is based on

00:38:45.460 traumas, and traumas

00:38:46.380 isn't like a good or

00:38:47.180 bad thing, it's not

00:38:47.840 like you label this

00:38:48.520 trauma good or bad, it

00:38:49.400 is just a mask that our

00:38:51.200 internal psyche had to

00:38:52.340 create because we went

00:38:53.560 through something as a

00:38:54.360 child.

00:38:55.340 And so psychedelics, in

00:38:56.400 my mind, I think are

00:38:57.560 going to be one of the

00:38:58.200 most fucking beneficial

00:38:59.700 medicines, and I don't

00:39:01.240 like to label it as a

00:39:02.020 drug, medicines on the

00:39:04.080 planet that we can

00:39:05.680 administer.

00:39:06.200 And the crazy thing

00:39:08.100 about psychedelics, MDMA

00:39:09.500 is not psychedelic, by

00:39:10.380 the way, it's a

00:39:10.900 synthetic molecule derived

00:39:13.580 from an organic

00:39:14.100 compound, it's from the

00:39:15.080 sassafan tree, and it's

00:39:16.820 primarily in Iran.

00:39:19.060 You look at psilocybin or

00:39:20.500 you look at mushrooms,

00:39:21.400 there's no LD50, so

00:39:22.640 people listening to this

00:39:23.540 or watching this, LD50 is

00:39:24.800 lethal dose 50, so a

00:39:27.020 dose that takes, a dose

00:39:29.220 needed to at least get

00:39:30.580 50% of the population

00:39:31.680 to OD.

00:39:32.200 LSD, psilocybin, there's

00:39:36.880 pretty much no LD50, so

00:39:38.300 you can't really overdose

00:39:39.100 on that.

00:39:40.480 MDMA is like four grams

00:39:41.660 as your brain will frazzle

00:39:44.040 before you even take that

00:39:44.780 amount.

00:39:46.340 The only one that has a

00:39:47.760 risk, and this is why

00:39:48.880 they have medical

00:39:49.400 practitioner, but this is

00:39:50.240 copious amounts would be

00:39:51.140 Iboga, so Ibogaine.

00:39:54.300 Ayahuasca, there's not

00:39:55.060 known.

00:39:55.440 Even weed has technically,

00:39:56.860 theoretically, like an LD50,

00:39:58.680 but I think they said you

00:39:59.260 have to smoke like 20,000

00:40:00.300 pounds of weed to technically

00:40:02.880 kill yourself, but the

00:40:03.880 whole thing with the

00:40:05.600 psychedelics is I think

00:40:07.760 this is going to help.

00:40:09.100 I think as a whole, this is

00:40:10.460 going to help civilization.

00:40:11.420 I think we're going to

00:40:11.940 really be entering a new

00:40:13.480 stage of medicine to

00:40:14.720 fucking help the psyche,

00:40:15.900 the mental trauma that

00:40:17.380 we've all suffered.

00:40:18.340 How do you use it

00:40:19.060 personally, and what do you

00:40:20.760 use it for?

00:40:22.300 So I haven't done a big

00:40:25.200 down, I call them

00:40:26.480 downloads.

00:40:27.200 I haven't done a big

00:40:27.820 download in a while.

00:40:28.620 Lately, I've been doing a

00:40:31.060 little bit more.

00:40:31.580 When you say downloads, you

00:40:32.420 mean like a heroic dose?

00:40:36.080 Yeah.

00:40:36.580 Okay.

00:40:37.680 Yeah, so the last big

00:40:38.460 download I did was a mixture

00:40:39.500 of MDMA and psilocybin, so

00:40:41.620 it was total 150 milligrams

00:40:45.300 of MDMA spaced out by three

00:40:47.400 times, so 50-50-50, and then

00:40:49.520 I did two grams of mushrooms,

00:40:52.980 cubensis, dried powder in

00:40:55.740 capsules spaced out as well, so

00:40:58.000 I took all of those two

00:40:59.640 within an hour and a half

00:41:00.960 period of time.

00:41:01.740 It's a good melody, at least

00:41:02.760 for me.

00:41:03.700 Basically, I would have my

00:41:05.040 phone on as a tape recorder

00:41:06.460 when I have insight.

00:41:07.360 I can't do this inside.

00:41:08.540 I have to be in nature, so

00:41:09.580 I'd be in my cottage.

00:41:10.760 At least for me, I would

00:41:11.620 recommend nature.

00:41:12.840 I would have a pen and

00:41:13.700 paper as well.

00:41:14.960 Oh, shit, I don't have it

00:41:15.640 here.

00:41:15.820 I have something called a

00:41:16.820 Mindfold mask, so it's a

00:41:18.140 mask that's 3D, so you

00:41:19.720 can keep your eyes open, and

00:41:20.920 it's pitch black.

00:41:21.940 It's quite cool.

00:41:23.040 I have amazing music, and at

00:41:24.200 least I have some questions

00:41:25.240 that I personally ask myself

00:41:26.940 when I'm downloading it and

00:41:28.420 going through the

00:41:28.860 experience.

00:41:29.620 Okay, so you do it with an

00:41:30.720 intention.

00:41:31.240 Do you set the intention

00:41:31.920 before you start?

00:41:32.940 Oh, yeah.

00:41:33.700 And is it guided?

00:41:34.460 Do you have somebody with

00:41:35.140 you?

00:41:36.220 Sometimes, yes.

00:41:37.060 The golden rule is set and

00:41:40.720 setting.

00:41:41.720 Set and setting is the most

00:41:43.820 important thing.

00:41:45.460 Do you ever microdose on a

00:41:47.420 regular basis?

00:41:48.800 No, not really.

00:41:51.660 I've experimented with

00:41:52.640 microdosing of everything, so

00:41:54.040 for me, iboga was the most

00:41:56.280 beneficial.

00:41:57.100 I've done psilocybin.

00:41:58.500 I've done LSD.

00:42:00.540 But, yeah, iboga for me was

00:42:01.820 the most beneficial, yeah.

00:42:04.040 I've got a question here I'm

00:42:05.380 going to throw up on the

00:42:05.980 screen, so it's easy to read.

00:42:07.160 It just says, Amir, what's

00:42:08.640 your thoughts on futurism,

00:42:09.860 embracing technology, and the

00:42:11.360 emergence of automation and

00:42:12.640 integration of the machines

00:42:13.860 occupying and dominating

00:42:15.380 modern humanity?

00:42:16.980 This is kind of like a Noah

00:42:18.300 Yuval Harari sort of question

00:42:19.900 with the Homo D'Orsay.

00:42:23.120 When we hear about automation

00:42:24.820 today, I think we're jumping

00:42:26.620 the gun.

00:42:27.600 I don't think so.

00:42:28.400 I don't think so.

00:42:29.200 We're even remotely close where

00:42:31.040 people presume we're heading.

00:42:32.280 Even with self-driving cars, we're

00:42:35.720 minimum, minimum a decade away

00:42:38.080 from semi-self-driving cars on

00:42:39.820 some highways in some parts of

00:42:41.760 the world.

00:42:42.480 When it comes to trucks, we're

00:42:43.900 far, far away from fully self-

00:42:46.320 automated trucks.

00:42:47.960 So this scare of fully automation

00:42:49.900 within the next 5, 10 years, I

00:42:52.020 haven't seen the data.

00:42:54.160 Now, fast forward past that, yes,

00:42:57.520 we're going to have fully automated

00:42:59.060 industries being disrupted.

00:43:02.480 For me, though, it gives

00:43:04.100 opportunity, right?

00:43:04.960 When you have new types of

00:43:05.940 innovation and new types of

00:43:07.200 business models, you have also

00:43:08.780 new opportunities.

00:43:10.120 We can't foresee the

00:43:12.300 opportunities.

00:43:12.740 We couldn't foresee business

00:43:13.760 models on the internet.

00:43:15.300 For example, in the crypto space,

00:43:16.860 I am.

00:43:17.020 I couldn't foresee.

00:43:17.680 We couldn't foresee these ICO

00:43:19.100 craze that happened.

00:43:20.660 So there's a lot of unknowns that

00:43:22.440 we don't know about.

00:43:24.140 And so I'm not to really worry.

00:43:25.800 I'm an optimist.

00:43:26.980 If you look at Steven Pinker's

00:43:30.140 statistics, you can clearly see

00:43:34.200 that as a general whole, society

00:43:36.720 is living better, living longer.

00:43:42.540 I'm not the biggest fan of China,

00:43:44.340 but through their semi-dictatorship

00:43:46.660 like capitalism, over 100 million

00:43:49.400 Chinese have left poverty and going

00:43:51.160 up to middle class.

00:43:52.020 India is also the fastest growing

00:43:53.140 middle class demographics in the

00:43:55.580 world as well.

00:43:56.100 So in a whole, humans are living

00:43:58.420 better.

00:43:59.160 You know, I would never want to get

00:44:00.300 in a time machine and go back 50

00:44:01.720 years.

00:44:02.160 Like I never want to go through

00:44:03.060 World War II, World War I, or

00:44:04.920 even live.

00:44:05.680 Like we, technology is making

00:44:07.840 life better.

00:44:08.760 I think the biggest problem, if I

00:44:10.120 had to think about it, hopefully

00:44:11.340 we don't kill ourselves in 100

00:44:12.460 years because that's actually a big

00:44:13.520 threat and also viruses and bugs

00:44:16.360 and we just don't have enough

00:44:17.640 babies.

00:44:18.060 We actually need more babies.

00:44:19.140 It's a serious threat.

00:44:20.240 It's like no laughing matter.

00:44:21.000 Our birth rates are really low.

00:44:23.320 And if we have a huge fertility

00:44:24.660 problem, we're the biggest issue,

00:44:26.620 I think, from a psychological

00:44:27.320 aspect for humans would be

00:44:28.600 existential crisis or what I do

00:44:30.060 with my time.

00:44:31.800 Why do you, why do you think we

00:44:33.520 have a repopulation issues with

00:44:36.760 birth rates?

00:44:38.760 Well, birth rates, there's more.

00:44:41.040 I mean, they're low.

00:44:41.560 Yeah.

00:44:42.540 Multitude of different reasons.

00:44:43.460 One, the fact that biology, if you

00:44:46.000 look at biology, like a woman is the

00:44:47.380 most fertile between the age of 19

00:44:48.780 to 24.

00:44:49.720 Yeah.

00:44:50.520 Like that's biology.

00:44:51.920 And this is why, like, even if you

00:44:53.220 survey men from the age of like 20

00:44:55.400 to like 60, they all say mid-20s.

00:44:57.580 There's a reason why.

00:44:58.400 But societal conditioning and

00:44:59.760 feminism tells women to put off

00:45:01.240 having babies and get a degree and

00:45:02.880 have a career first and then they

00:45:04.080 all try to have babies at 39.

00:45:06.280 It's difficult too, man.

00:45:07.460 Like, depending on where you live,

00:45:08.840 like Toronto, to have a kid when

00:45:10.020 you're 20s and say your husband's

00:45:11.500 25 as well, good fucking luck.

00:45:15.740 Well, it's next to impossible.

00:45:17.380 Next to impossible.

00:45:18.280 So it's, you know, this is why also

00:45:19.760 in China for, think about this,

00:45:21.940 China for a nation of a billion

00:45:23.600 plus people, birth rate last year

00:45:25.640 is only 18 million because of the

00:45:27.640 up and coming middle class.

00:45:29.800 Because they're like, why the fuck

00:45:30.920 do I need five kids?

00:45:31.800 I have a career.

00:45:32.560 I'm driven.

00:45:33.380 I see how much it costs to have one

00:45:34.620 child.

00:45:34.900 I'm not having fucking three kids.

00:45:37.020 So what do you think is going to

00:45:37.780 happen in like 50 years if the

00:45:39.120 birth rate stays as low?

00:45:40.140 Um, well, you got to ask yourself

00:45:45.660 if the birth rate stays low, what

00:45:47.480 does that mean?

00:45:48.060 There's a couple of issues at hand.

00:45:51.060 There's a lot of people that argue

00:45:52.020 that the earth is already

00:45:52.800 overpopulated.

00:45:53.480 Like I've, like I've seen some media

00:45:55.160 pieces lately where the, there's

00:45:56.740 these bloggers.

00:45:58.340 Oh yeah.

00:45:58.560 There's these bloggers and these

00:45:59.760 media pieces where they're saying

00:46:01.400 stop having babies, get a

00:46:02.760 vasectomy.

00:46:03.480 You know, women are getting, uh,

00:46:05.100 what do they, uh, call it when

00:46:06.920 they, uh, sterilize themselves, uh,

00:46:09.660 tubal ligation or whatever, you

00:46:11.320 know, young, younger ages.

00:46:14.080 Like there's a lot of nonsense

00:46:15.340 going on out there.

00:46:16.680 You know, people are saying just

00:46:18.120 like basically kill yourself and

00:46:19.340 don't have children because the

00:46:20.300 planet is overpopulated.

00:46:21.720 Yeah.

00:46:22.680 It's all bullshit, man.

00:46:23.980 That's not the death.

00:46:24.720 If you look at the data, the data

00:46:25.800 is completely opposite, man.

00:46:26.820 Like you, you asked the question

00:46:29.220 what would happen?

00:46:29.780 Okay.

00:46:30.200 We'll talk about a couple of

00:46:31.200 things.

00:46:31.500 Number one, if we look at modern

00:46:33.700 society today, at least for the

00:46:35.740 most so-called democratic countries

00:46:38.200 and we'll throw in Russian there as

00:46:40.280 well, democratic.

00:46:41.540 democratic and, uh, and, uh, we

00:46:46.820 look at, uh, people who retire,

00:46:49.820 they rely on old age pension from

00:46:54.400 the government.

00:46:55.020 So in Canada, CCP, United States

00:46:57.660 of social security, the only way

00:47:00.080 the social security is paid for

00:47:01.680 or old age pension is by young

00:47:03.620 working class people.

00:47:05.200 You need a young workforce to pay

00:47:07.600 for the future because you have to

00:47:08.760 tax them.

00:47:09.200 If you don't have a young workforce

00:47:11.780 to tax from, you cannot support the

00:47:13.980 older generation.

00:47:14.680 So this is an actual big, I'll send

00:47:16.820 you a link afterwards.

00:47:17.480 There's a really good statistician

00:47:18.600 that goes into the demographics of

00:47:19.960 young working people from the age of

00:47:21.940 19 to 28.

00:47:22.840 Like it's low.

00:47:23.480 It's not really, it's a bad sign.

00:47:25.700 Um, that's one thing we need young

00:47:28.340 people to support old people for the

00:47:29.920 future, regardless of even if it's

00:47:31.360 taxed, just for like labor support,

00:47:33.240 you know, physical support, you need a

00:47:35.420 working class demographics to support

00:47:38.020 older people.

00:47:39.200 If we have low birth rates, we don't

00:47:40.700 have that working class demographics.

00:47:42.380 Number two, on the high level of

00:47:44.500 risks for human civilization is

00:47:47.040 super viruses or super bugs.

00:47:49.000 This can be genetically modified, not

00:47:51.420 in a nefarious way, like, Ooh, Dr.

00:47:53.160 Evil, I'm going to create something,

00:47:54.460 but it can be a mutated, uh, you know,

00:47:57.160 retrovirus, uh, through maybe the

00:47:59.860 overabundance of antibiotics and

00:48:02.020 vaccines that we use.

00:48:03.000 That's one possibility.

00:48:04.020 It can be another possibility.

00:48:05.780 I looked at some numbers where it can

00:48:07.220 be from a permafrost in Siberia, where

00:48:09.860 because it's a heating a bit, certain

00:48:11.600 bacterias or viruses are released.

00:48:13.260 They get activated.

00:48:14.200 They're airborne.

00:48:15.120 Boom.

00:48:15.660 It goes through.

00:48:16.600 And it's very, very difficult to

00:48:18.640 control a contagion.

00:48:19.960 You know, early estimates say that

00:48:22.360 it's not, if it's when we have the

00:48:24.900 next so-called super bug or super

00:48:26.820 virus and the early statistics look at

00:48:29.360 base bone minimum.

00:48:30.460 So conservative estimates would be

00:48:31.960 500 million people dead at a couple

00:48:34.180 of trillion dollars cost to human

00:48:35.840 civilization.

00:48:37.040 So this is a big threat.

00:48:37.880 So imagine all this, you know, we're

00:48:39.200 at 6 billion, imagine a billion

00:48:40.460 humans die tomorrow.

00:48:42.480 That's entirely feasible.

00:48:43.440 It's happened a number of times

00:48:44.440 throughout history where we had a

00:48:45.720 purge, you know, like a reset.

00:48:48.480 Yeah.

00:48:49.380 You know, whether it's something like

00:48:50.540 something hitting the earth and ice

00:48:51.840 age, whatever, right?

00:48:52.600 We didn't have planes or cars.

00:48:54.420 Yeah.

00:48:55.260 So the contagion can spread.

00:48:57.420 Yeah.

00:48:57.600 If you're talking about viruses, it's a

00:48:59.040 lot easier for it to move around

00:49:00.260 right now.

00:49:00.540 Yeah, it's all fucking airborne.

00:49:02.320 Yeah.

00:49:03.780 But I mean, like you were talking

00:49:04.820 about, we need labor, we need

00:49:06.600 workers, we need people to create

00:49:08.460 and manufacture things.

00:49:09.520 But at the same time, we're also

00:49:10.860 leaning into a period of automation

00:49:12.420 and AI and algorithms where, you

00:49:16.160 know, like I'm starting to look at

00:49:17.080 this concept of UBI now where it's

00:49:19.080 like there's going to be a lot of

00:49:19.940 people that are not going to be

00:49:21.320 employable because they're too stupid

00:49:22.920 to do anything useful.

00:49:24.320 So they're, I'm thinking at some

00:49:26.780 point they're going to, they're

00:49:28.040 going to have to figure out a way

00:49:29.020 to tax businesses like Apple

00:49:30.760 and, and, and, and Amazon and

00:49:33.560 not give them these carve out

00:49:34.660 exceptions so that they can

00:49:36.100 facilitate paying, you know, the

00:49:38.400 masses to, I don't know, fucking

00:49:40.780 draw or do whatever it is that

00:49:42.620 they need to pursue on a basic

00:49:45.040 income level.

00:49:46.920 I don't really, I don't really

00:49:48.380 know that I subscribe to the notion

00:49:49.520 that we're really going to need that

00:49:51.460 much in the way of labor in the

00:49:52.620 future.

00:49:52.860 Like, I don't know that we need

00:49:53.700 humans for labor, right?

00:49:54.780 I'm not, like I said, I'm not

00:49:57.500 sold.

00:49:57.880 I don't see the data for

00:49:58.840 automation yet.

00:50:00.240 It's, it's when it gets here, like

00:50:01.980 Peter Thiel talks about this too.

00:50:03.660 When it gets here, if there is a

00:50:05.080 problem, then we should, we should,

00:50:07.160 we have the solutions already

00:50:08.120 planned out.

00:50:08.500 If you do the solutions too early,

00:50:09.920 you're going to actually make the

00:50:11.360 problem worse.

00:50:12.340 But I mean, we've already got the

00:50:13.580 technology in place.

00:50:14.560 Like, um, uh, Noah Yuval Harari was

00:50:18.460 talking about in his book about

00:50:19.700 algorithms.

00:50:20.240 Like even, like even today, the

00:50:21.860 technology exists where you can have

00:50:23.980 a board certified surgeon that's got

00:50:26.000 20 years experience in diagnosing

00:50:27.840 lung cancer and put him up against

00:50:30.980 a computer algorithm that is going to

00:50:32.820 more accurately diagnose a lung cancer

00:50:36.080 predicament versus.

00:50:37.260 Yeah, but that doesn't put out

00:50:38.160 doctors.

00:50:38.760 So for example, my wife's a doctor,

00:50:40.280 my mom's a nurse.

00:50:41.260 I have a lot of friends in the

00:50:42.200 medical community.

00:50:43.800 Um, you know, I'm, I, but that's a

00:50:46.320 higher level skill though.

00:50:47.320 It's not like, you know, screwing

00:50:48.640 on toothpaste caps.

00:50:49.680 Like this is a much higher level

00:50:50.680 skill too.

00:50:51.340 None of those people, one, all of

00:50:53.200 them actually are happy and they

00:50:56.240 await for, and it's not AI.

00:50:58.660 So people think about AI.

00:50:59.500 We're not even close to AI where

00:51:00.560 it's all machine learning.

00:51:01.380 So machine learning is pattern

00:51:02.840 recognition.

00:51:03.420 It's a heuristics, like recognize

00:51:04.860 pattern one, filter it, go to next

00:51:06.740 filter.

00:51:07.120 And they have different kind of

00:51:07.940 logic when it comes to filters.

00:51:09.180 Right.

00:51:09.780 And so, um, whether you're like the

00:51:13.520 as a physical job, a radiologist

00:51:16.900 would be somebody who would, as

00:51:18.880 from a human perspective, you

00:51:20.140 test results the most.

00:51:21.160 Right.

00:51:22.860 Uh, and they've done recent

00:51:24.200 studies where like radiologists

00:51:25.980 roughly is maybe like in the 70

00:51:27.320 to 80% accuracy rate.

00:51:28.860 And we're human, man.

00:51:29.700 We might be tired.

00:51:30.520 We might be sick.

00:51:31.400 You know, we might be overload

00:51:32.460 mental bandwidth.

00:51:33.280 We make mistakes.

00:51:34.140 Okay.

00:51:35.660 Obviously a machine learning

00:51:36.640 pattern would be better.

00:51:37.460 However, that doesn't eliminate

00:51:38.960 the human being, especially

00:51:40.900 medicine actually is an aid to

00:51:43.680 medicine.

00:51:44.540 The number one thing in medicine

00:51:45.740 is integration.

00:51:47.620 So it's one thing and it's good

00:51:49.140 because like I see my wife

00:51:50.180 firsthand, it's not her job to

00:51:51.420 fucking analyze numbers.

00:51:53.080 I want a computer to fucking

00:51:54.500 analyze numbers.

00:51:55.440 I want a computer to tell me the

00:51:56.600 patterns.

00:51:57.020 Your job as any doctor, whether

00:51:58.900 it's a surgeon, whether it's a

00:52:00.320 nurse, whether it's a doctor,

00:52:01.680 ND, MD, whatever your job is to

00:52:03.960 mentally, emotionally, and

00:52:05.720 physically work with the patient

00:52:06.880 to integrate this information.

00:52:08.380 Cause Richard, you know, you and

00:52:09.860 I know you, we, you, you and I

00:52:11.500 know that for a fact that if we

00:52:13.020 build a D, if we guarantee that

00:52:15.260 this business plan here, we'll

00:52:16.640 get you a million dollar

00:52:17.340 business, maybe one out of a

00:52:18.400 hundred human beings will do it

00:52:19.300 by themselves.

00:52:21.000 That's how humans are.

00:52:21.940 We need to be babysitted.

00:52:22.900 People need to be, people need

00:52:24.460 that interaction.

00:52:25.540 And so I think it actually helps

00:52:26.940 the healthcare system.

00:52:28.260 It helps doctors.

00:52:29.480 I see a firsthand man.

00:52:30.680 Doctors, they spend unpaid

00:52:32.200 hours, especially private

00:52:33.600 healthcare.

00:52:33.940 They spend unpaid hours

00:52:34.940 looking through fucking numbers.

00:52:36.260 And of course they're going to

00:52:36.960 make errors, but it's better for

00:52:38.840 them to have a computer where

00:52:39.560 they just click a button.

00:52:40.280 And it's like 90% accuracy.

00:52:41.440 Like, okay, this is based on

00:52:42.680 all this data.

00:52:43.240 This is the pattern.

00:52:44.260 There's no doubt that's more

00:52:45.300 effective.

00:52:46.080 Yeah, man.

00:52:47.500 So what are you doing these

00:52:48.460 days with crypto?

00:52:49.760 Because you created a block

00:52:51.580 geeks.

00:52:52.100 You were very, very enthusiastic

00:52:54.540 from the very early days.

00:52:56.160 I can't remember when we had

00:52:57.280 lunch there at the Don Mills

00:52:59.260 shops.

00:53:00.260 I was driving my M3 at the time,

00:53:02.200 the white car.

00:53:02.860 So it must've been like 2013.

00:53:04.680 Was it 2013, 2014?

00:53:06.980 Yeah.

00:53:07.860 You're like, I'm going all in on

00:53:09.320 this crypto thing.

00:53:10.040 And I'm like, what?

00:53:11.100 What are you going to do?

00:53:11.960 I'm like, are you crazy, man?

00:53:13.360 You're like, no, man.

00:53:14.040 Watch this.

00:53:14.960 And you're like, give me all

00:53:16.160 the reasons why.

00:53:16.960 And I'm like, yeah, I don't

00:53:18.000 know that I buy it.

00:53:19.020 And it was right around the

00:53:20.040 same time that I had, you

00:53:22.460 know, my run in with the

00:53:23.820 government and the big, you

00:53:25.420 know, financial institutions

00:53:26.420 with the debt business

00:53:27.220 because we put this little

00:53:28.980 dent in their universe,

00:53:30.400 saving people money.

00:53:31.440 And they literally went to

00:53:32.900 the extent of changing the

00:53:34.300 legislation in parliament

00:53:35.660 to reorganize the way we had

00:53:38.460 to do things with the intent

00:53:39.780 of putting this out of

00:53:40.560 business.

00:53:41.040 Oh, I remember, man.

00:53:41.800 They're trying to fuck you up.

00:53:42.920 Yeah.

00:53:43.140 Yeah.

00:53:43.500 And, you know, we're

00:53:45.040 talking around that time.

00:53:46.220 I'm like, I can see the

00:53:47.400 banks and the government

00:53:48.180 doing the same thing with

00:53:49.140 cryptocurrency.

00:53:50.100 Now, that was like four or

00:53:51.120 five years ago, about five

00:53:52.480 years ago now, right?

00:53:53.960 You're still doing it.

00:53:55.140 I mean, like you're kind of

00:53:56.000 leaning into this podcast

00:53:57.080 realm, which I want to talk

00:53:57.900 about, you know, more

00:53:58.560 towards the end.

00:53:59.040 But we've been on for about

00:53:59.760 an hour, so I definitely

00:54:00.520 want to hit on

00:54:01.040 cryptocurrency.

00:54:02.180 How have you seen it

00:54:02.940 change over the last five

00:54:03.920 years?

00:54:05.140 It's changed a lot.

00:54:05.960 You know, we've it's

00:54:08.420 still I still have a mind

00:54:10.620 fuck of where we are, even

00:54:13.620 for all the bullshit there

00:54:14.600 is.

00:54:14.840 It's like I remember when

00:54:15.800 there was Bitcoin.

00:54:18.780 Just Bitcoin, which is what

00:54:19.960 you were talking about.

00:54:20.500 And I went to meetup groups

00:54:21.600 in Toronto, which we're

00:54:22.680 blessed to have one of the

00:54:23.780 original meetup groups and

00:54:24.820 conferences in the world.

00:54:25.720 And one of the core

00:54:26.640 developers here in Toronto is

00:54:27.900 probably the top three

00:54:28.480 cities in the world for

00:54:29.180 blockchain and crypto.

00:54:30.940 And the reason why, like,

00:54:33.300 I had the opportunity to

00:54:34.180 enter so early.

00:54:34.800 It's just we have the

00:54:35.480 community here proximity.

00:54:38.060 It's a mind fuck for me

00:54:39.100 when I look now.

00:54:39.740 I'm like, holy fuck, look

00:54:40.820 where we are.

00:54:42.020 Like, we have all these

00:54:43.820 different platforms, you

00:54:45.180 know, two, three hundred

00:54:46.120 billion dollar market cap.

00:54:47.860 Bloomberg has a Bitcoin

00:54:48.840 ticker on there.

00:54:50.420 You know, governments are

00:54:51.200 talking about this.

00:54:52.380 It's like I think we've

00:54:53.960 got we've we've done a lot

00:54:56.340 in a very short period of

00:54:57.420 time.

00:54:58.620 Now, where we're going, I

00:55:00.180 think we're still very

00:55:01.040 early.

00:55:01.660 You know, I just had a

00:55:02.760 at a panel earlier for

00:55:04.180 investors within the space.

00:55:05.860 I think we still need

00:55:07.080 another three to four years

00:55:08.400 to evolve because where we

00:55:10.340 are right now, it's like

00:55:11.040 ninety six, ninety seven

00:55:12.160 within the Internet.

00:55:13.000 If you want to kind of do a

00:55:14.000 comparison, it's kind of hard

00:55:15.700 because they're building

00:55:16.340 Internet.

00:55:16.840 We already have the Internet,

00:55:17.820 so it's kind of hard to

00:55:18.800 compare.

00:55:19.160 But what we're still building

00:55:21.000 is protocol level.

00:55:21.980 So it's like the same thing

00:55:22.720 if like Richard and Mir,

00:55:23.600 we're building like IPV to

00:55:25.000 IPV three or for building

00:55:26.680 HTTPS or the actual rails of

00:55:28.840 the Internet.

00:55:29.800 So that's the stage we're

00:55:30.720 still at currently.

00:55:31.720 Once we're done talking

00:55:32.620 about the foundation, the

00:55:34.960 blockchain foundation, then

00:55:36.460 we can actually start

00:55:37.100 building the consumer level

00:55:39.360 grade applications for

00:55:40.520 people.

00:55:40.840 And there's already some

00:55:41.440 early ones like there's a

00:55:42.800 world of decentralized

00:55:43.680 finance, which is pretty

00:55:46.020 popular in Latin America.

00:55:47.840 And I'll give you a

00:55:48.680 nutshell how it works.

00:55:49.520 So there's a stable

00:55:52.500 currency called DAI in a

00:55:54.280 decentralized smart contract.

00:55:55.440 I'm not going to get into

00:55:55.940 technicality, but consider it

00:55:57.540 as an open source, stable

00:55:58.800 currency.

00:56:00.140 The biggest problem in Latin

00:56:01.440 America is A, they have an

00:56:02.660 inflation.

00:56:03.240 So if you have a dollar today

00:56:04.280 of any peso, whether it's

00:56:05.600 the boulevard or peso or

00:56:07.040 Mexican peso, if you have

00:56:08.820 one dollar today, it might be

00:56:10.040 65 cents tomorrow.

00:56:11.660 Most loans in Latin America

00:56:12.820 start at 20 percent.

00:56:13.760 It's really hard to get a

00:56:14.500 loan.

00:56:15.180 Now imagine if you're a

00:56:16.100 freelance contractor in any

00:56:17.800 of the Latin American

00:56:18.500 companies and then you're

00:56:20.420 getting paid by crypto.

00:56:21.300 Let's say I'm a developer in

00:56:22.440 Latin America or I'm a

00:56:23.480 marketer in Latin America and

00:56:24.760 my salary is a thousand

00:56:25.640 dollars a month.

00:56:26.360 Obviously USD.

00:56:28.040 I don't want to take my

00:56:29.380 local currency.

00:56:30.620 I don't want to die.

00:56:32.000 So a company can pay me

00:56:33.420 die a thousand stable.

00:56:34.920 I can then literally take

00:56:36.180 10 percent of that die and

00:56:37.360 I can I can then put it out

00:56:39.880 for interest within other

00:56:41.080 of these DeFi platforms.

00:56:42.200 I can earn 10 percent on

00:56:43.400 that money.

00:56:44.080 I lent out.

00:56:44.860 I can take that die and put

00:56:46.100 into some kind of other

00:56:46.880 crypto staking, earn six

00:56:48.060 percent.

00:56:48.880 I can take that die and go

00:56:49.920 to my peer.

00:56:50.520 I can go take that die and

00:56:51.900 take out American green back

00:56:54.980 into in peer to peer

00:56:56.500 kiosks they have down

00:56:57.800 there.

00:56:58.340 So what's happening here

00:57:00.680 is they're bypassing their

00:57:02.060 bank, bypassing their

00:57:03.100 government and having

00:57:04.380 spelled die.

00:57:05.040 Like what's the cryptocurrency?

00:57:06.380 I do.

00:57:07.440 I do.

00:57:07.540 I do.

00:57:07.720 I do.

00:57:07.740 I do.

00:57:07.820 I do.

00:57:07.840 I do.

00:57:08.040 I do.

00:57:08.060 I do.

00:57:08.300 I do.

00:57:08.380 I do.

00:57:08.560 And it's just it's one

00:57:09.340 dollar that we just that's

00:57:10.340 it.

00:57:10.700 OK.

00:57:11.540 Yeah.

00:57:12.260 Sorry.

00:57:12.540 So this is like one use

00:57:13.660 case where it's like they

00:57:14.460 need they need a stable

00:57:16.120 peer to peer crypto down

00:57:18.020 there to bypass the

00:57:19.500 bullshit that they're going

00:57:20.240 through.

00:57:20.880 But beyond that, we've

00:57:21.800 created platforms where

00:57:22.700 they can lend out die and

00:57:24.140 earn interest on.

00:57:25.060 They've never had the

00:57:25.580 option before.

00:57:26.180 Like if I was in

00:57:27.160 Venezuela, I couldn't join

00:57:28.360 any American or Canadian

00:57:29.880 financial product, even

00:57:31.680 though you wouldn't want

00:57:32.300 to.

00:57:32.460 It's like two percent or

00:57:33.160 nine.

00:57:33.340 You don't even get two

00:57:33.860 percent in the bank, like

00:57:35.000 one percent.

00:57:35.900 But now die instant on my

00:57:37.540 fucking phone, I can lend

00:57:39.160 out a hundred bucks and

00:57:39.980 earn 10 percent like they've

00:57:41.380 never had that.

00:57:41.900 It's actually a remarkable

00:57:42.700 innovation.

00:57:44.140 Yeah.

00:57:44.520 I'm just looking at it now.

00:57:45.460 It's it's it's listed here

00:57:47.140 on CoinMarketCap.

00:57:48.320 It's multi collateral die.

00:57:50.120 Is that what it is?

00:57:51.580 Exactly.

00:57:52.080 Yeah.

00:57:52.240 Yeah.

00:57:52.580 And it operates on the

00:57:53.660 Ethereum platform.

00:57:55.460 Correct.

00:57:56.920 Interesting.

00:57:58.880 OK, so this is one

00:57:59.860 application that like as it

00:58:01.860 stands right now, if I

00:58:02.700 scroll up to the top, it

00:58:03.840 says that they're holy

00:58:04.940 shit.

00:58:05.740 I don't go to CoinMarketCap

00:58:07.140 that that much, you

00:58:08.520 know, lately, but it's

00:58:09.980 there's cryptocurrency is

00:58:11.380 listed at four thousand

00:58:12.400 eight hundred and seventy

00:58:13.340 one.

00:58:14.300 Yeah, that's retarded.

00:58:16.000 There was like twenty

00:58:16.800 three hundred.

00:58:17.520 And I thought that was

00:58:18.100 retarded at the time.

00:58:19.400 It's going to it's actually

00:58:20.180 doubled.

00:58:21.200 Yeah, man.

00:58:22.400 So like what is the point

00:58:24.400 in having five thousand,

00:58:26.460 you know, close to five

00:58:27.260 thousand different

00:58:28.500 cryptocurrencies?

00:58:30.420 Yeah.

00:58:30.660 I mean, there's no point.

00:58:31.580 I think they're all one big

00:58:32.540 experiment.

00:58:33.580 Ninety nine nine ninety

00:58:34.540 nine point nine nine percent

00:58:35.460 of them fail.

00:58:36.200 But.

00:58:37.660 You know, it's people

00:58:38.860 trying to experiment, some

00:58:39.980 people trying to scam, some

00:58:41.240 people trying to build

00:58:42.020 innovation.

00:58:42.740 It's you know, I ask

00:58:45.320 anybody in the crypto

00:58:45.900 space, I've never seen an

00:58:47.920 industry suck up more brain

00:58:49.580 juice in this industry, like

00:58:50.880 economists, entrepreneurs,

00:58:53.420 investors, regulators,

00:58:55.140 banks, governments.

00:58:56.320 Everybody's in this fucking

00:58:57.160 industry here.

00:58:59.200 Here's a big problem that I

00:59:00.260 still see it is it's is

00:59:01.800 it's got to do with

00:59:02.560 government and financial

00:59:03.720 institutions because they

00:59:05.020 want to control monetary

00:59:06.500 policy and money.

00:59:08.020 Governments want to be able

00:59:08.860 to manipulate it.

00:59:10.860 You know, they've they've

00:59:11.780 done it very well with

00:59:12.720 fiat currency.

00:59:14.440 Yeah.

00:59:15.340 Like one of the biggest

00:59:16.500 mind fucks that I see is

00:59:17.820 you can go out and get a

00:59:19.680 mortgage and a bank will

00:59:22.080 produce numbers on a

00:59:23.760 spreadsheet, say

00:59:25.440 four hundred thousand

00:59:26.160 dollars.

00:59:26.660 They'll they'll put four

00:59:27.580 hundred thousand dollars on a

00:59:28.360 spreadsheet that they'll

00:59:29.160 technically lend to you, but

00:59:30.920 they don't have four hundred

00:59:31.920 thousand dollars on

00:59:32.840 deposit.

00:59:33.720 No, it's fractional

00:59:34.600 reserve.

00:59:35.340 And then they put a

00:59:36.200 collateral loan against a

00:59:37.600 real asset, which if you

00:59:39.380 don't pay the mortgage

00:59:40.680 payments, they then

00:59:41.880 exchange pretend numbers on

00:59:43.340 a screen for money they

00:59:45.280 never had on deposit for a

00:59:46.920 real asset with real value.

00:59:48.900 Like that is the biggest

00:59:49.720 fuckery that I've ever seen

00:59:51.140 throughout history.

00:59:52.180 That's one of the many

00:59:52.920 different things.

00:59:53.640 You know what IMF does

00:59:54.760 though, too.

00:59:55.280 IMF will lend billions of

00:59:56.520 dollars to nation states and

00:59:58.000 be like, if you can't pay, we

00:59:59.260 take your natural resources.

01:00:00.540 Yeah.

01:00:01.360 And it's like, you know, you

01:00:03.440 get this feeling that this

01:00:04.740 that this whole house of

01:00:06.700 cards needs to collapse at

01:00:08.280 some point, but it keeps

01:00:10.020 going.

01:00:10.760 They keep manufacturing ways

01:00:13.100 to to make it persistent to

01:00:15.660 perpetuity.

01:00:17.080 And I mean, I was even saying

01:00:18.800 this a couple of years ago,

01:00:19.760 like Bitcoin's got to solve

01:00:20.920 this problem, right?

01:00:22.420 Well, Bitcoin for me, at least

01:00:23.760 in its current manifestation,

01:00:25.320 is censorship resistant

01:00:27.120 censorship resistant value.

01:00:30.080 I don't view it as digital

01:00:31.720 gold.

01:00:32.780 I don't recommend people put

01:00:34.020 a lot of money in it.

01:00:34.940 I think if you're an investor,

01:00:36.440 it'd be foolish of you to

01:00:37.640 not have at least one to two

01:00:39.360 percent of exposure to

01:00:41.240 Bitcoin, because if it does

01:00:42.420 take off, which I think it

01:00:43.560 will, you have asymmetrical

01:00:44.860 returns.

01:00:45.640 It's an uncorrelated asset

01:00:46.760 class.

01:00:48.140 Now, for regular people, throw

01:00:50.160 a thousand or throw a hundred

01:00:51.460 throw five.

01:00:52.120 But I don't view it as, oh,

01:00:53.820 it's, you know, the

01:00:54.700 narrative's digital gold or

01:00:55.840 store of value.

01:00:56.340 How the fuck's a store of

01:00:57.160 value if it's fluctuating

01:00:57.960 so much?

01:00:58.540 That's not the value prop.

01:00:59.800 You know, the value prop is

01:01:00.820 censorship resistant.

01:01:02.500 The fact that I own my keys,

01:01:04.520 I own my Bitcoin.

01:01:05.820 You know, I have friends of

01:01:07.320 mine.

01:01:08.060 True story.

01:01:09.540 I have friends of mine who

01:01:10.640 escaped Venezuela with Bitcoin

01:01:12.860 and started a new life in

01:01:14.500 Canada, like Maduro, which

01:01:16.160 if you guys don't know, Maduro is

01:01:18.420 the president of Venezuela.

01:01:21.800 He was after them and they

01:01:23.600 escaped and they came to

01:01:24.400 Canada and the fact that they

01:01:25.640 can, whether write down their

01:01:27.300 seed phrase, like, let's say

01:01:28.580 on SD card, put in an SD card

01:01:30.280 or do a mind bank or write

01:01:31.960 down on people.

01:01:32.500 The very, the very essence of

01:01:34.120 them, all they need to know is

01:01:35.720 24 words that they can then

01:01:37.560 still access value some other

01:01:39.720 country.

01:01:40.300 If you really think about it,

01:01:41.380 it's a mind fuck.

01:01:43.720 So that's the value prop of

01:01:45.120 Bitcoin.

01:01:45.520 It has, it's censorship

01:01:46.300 resistance is what gives it

01:01:47.600 power.

01:01:50.060 We've seen a lot of people

01:01:51.160 try to, um, monetize crypto

01:01:54.360 and blockchain and everything

01:01:55.440 that kind of ties into it.

01:01:56.620 Like, you know, I see people

01:01:58.260 that will sell you cryptocurrency

01:01:59.800 trading courses on Bitcoin.

01:02:01.800 What do you think of these

01:02:02.640 things?

01:02:03.400 It's all bullshit.

01:02:04.800 Why do you think it's

01:02:05.380 bullshit?

01:02:08.560 One, like a couple of things,

01:02:12.160 like depending on your

01:02:13.900 emotional response, like

01:02:15.420 everybody has a different

01:02:16.980 sensitivity when it comes to

01:02:19.300 being an investor, there's

01:02:20.560 high risk investors, there's

01:02:22.200 low risk investors, you know,

01:02:23.320 we call it risk averse type

01:02:24.500 of person.

01:02:24.900 What is your risk averse

01:02:25.920 spectrum?

01:02:27.820 Um, if you look at a

01:02:29.540 statistically speaking, uh,

01:02:31.700 specifically for Bitcoin, or

01:02:33.000 if you got in early in

01:02:34.320 Ethereum, uh, if you just

01:02:36.280 held, you made way more money

01:02:37.540 than trading.

01:02:38.500 Yeah.

01:02:39.000 Way more money.

01:02:40.520 Uh, number two, people don't

01:02:42.000 even, they don't think about

01:02:42.980 this.

01:02:43.160 If you're in Canada as a

01:02:43.960 trader, if that's your

01:02:45.080 primary income, that's your

01:02:46.440 income, your tax income

01:02:47.400 income level as a trader.

01:02:49.440 So that's something else to

01:02:50.180 think about, right?

01:02:51.600 At least if you ever sell

01:02:52.540 your Bitcoin in the future,

01:02:53.380 you're only selling it for

01:02:54.100 capital gains tax.

01:02:55.980 Um, and so for me, it's

01:02:58.120 like, and the alpha too, if

01:02:59.440 anyone's out there within

01:03:00.420 the investment world, thinking

01:03:01.620 about this, like the alpha is

01:03:02.640 not that great when it comes

01:03:03.780 to like trading, trading

01:03:05.020 right now.

01:03:05.280 Cause even though it's like

01:03:06.560 240 or 260 billion market

01:03:09.860 cap, there's not too much

01:03:11.120 alpha currently when it comes

01:03:12.480 to like high frequency

01:03:13.560 trading.

01:03:13.980 What do you mean by alpha

01:03:14.980 when you say that the

01:03:16.520 arbitrage opportunity that

01:03:18.220 you can get between

01:03:18.980 flipping different

01:03:19.640 currencies.

01:03:21.200 Um, so I'm not big on

01:03:23.440 trading.

01:03:24.280 What do you think the, um,

01:03:27.020 the future opportunities are

01:03:28.560 with blockchain and

01:03:29.680 cryptocurrencies right now

01:03:30.940 as you see it?

01:03:32.360 It would be the, you

01:03:33.340 Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin

01:03:36.020 stays Bitcoin.

01:03:37.440 As long as the, as long as

01:03:39.720 block is created every 10

01:03:41.000 minutes and the hash network

01:03:42.400 is increasing, which is good

01:03:43.860 and the DeFi space.

01:03:46.240 So open fire where you, you

01:03:48.320 can bypass, you can bypass

01:03:51.040 certain banks and regulations

01:03:52.600 in, in places of need.

01:03:54.340 See the places that I mentioned

01:03:55.720 that use this are places of

01:03:56.880 necessity.

01:03:57.320 It's not North America, Latin

01:03:59.140 America uses it.

01:04:00.260 Turkey uses it.

01:04:01.080 Iran uses it.

01:04:02.000 Now Hong Kong uses it.

01:04:03.380 People have been keeping up

01:04:04.520 with the Hong Kong situation.

01:04:06.400 The HSBC bank shut down the

01:04:09.380 charity accounts associated with

01:04:11.120 the protesters in Hong Kong.

01:04:12.440 So their finances were cut

01:04:13.520 off, enter crypto.

01:04:16.060 Um, and so we saw this with

01:04:17.500 WikiLeaks.

01:04:18.120 In fact, one of the reasons

01:04:18.900 why Bitcoin took off back

01:04:20.040 then was Julian Assange started

01:04:21.860 accepting Bitcoin and got a

01:04:23.100 flood of Bitcoin on WikiLeaks.

01:04:24.520 They're one of the first

01:04:25.220 merchants or global known

01:04:27.260 entities to accept Bitcoin.

01:04:29.520 Uh, so that's where I think

01:04:30.860 DeFi in places of necessity,

01:04:33.220 we see it already taking off.

01:04:34.540 Like last time I checked, I'll

01:04:36.900 check right now.

01:04:37.620 I think there's about, um, uh,

01:04:44.220 DeFi, DeFi portfolio.

01:04:46.520 I think there's about $700

01:04:49.240 million worth of ether locked

01:04:51.300 in DeFi.

01:04:51.920 Think about it.

01:04:52.420 That's, and what does DeFi

01:04:54.200 stand for?

01:04:55.140 Decentralized finance.

01:04:56.380 Okay.

01:04:57.280 Um, there's, um, there's a

01:04:59.420 halving event coming in, coming

01:05:00.820 in the spring.

01:05:01.960 Yeah.

01:05:02.660 What does that mean for Bitcoin?

01:05:04.600 Uh, the miners will lose 50% of

01:05:08.740 the reward.

01:05:09.320 So I think the reward's 12

01:05:10.360 Bitcoin right now.

01:05:11.220 And so that means in May,

01:05:13.500 roughly, they'll be only

01:05:14.800 getting six Bitcoin as a, as a

01:05:17.400 block reward.

01:05:18.080 So why is that hardwired into

01:05:19.800 the code?

01:05:20.280 And what does that mean for

01:05:21.080 Bitcoin after the halving

01:05:22.500 event?

01:05:23.120 It's more difficult.

01:05:24.740 The mining difficulties

01:05:25.860 increase, uh, the supply

01:05:27.780 decreases as well.

01:05:29.720 Um, and it creates, it creates

01:05:31.300 more scarcity necessity and it

01:05:33.160 creates a stronger network.

01:05:34.060 So the mining difficulties

01:05:35.100 increases as well.

01:05:36.480 Okay.

01:05:37.100 So that, so that should mean

01:05:38.860 that coming to having event,

01:05:40.320 the value of Bitcoin should

01:05:41.460 increase.

01:05:42.300 I think it's priced already.

01:05:44.360 Yeah.

01:05:44.520 You think it's priced in?

01:05:45.360 Yeah.

01:05:46.140 Interesting.

01:05:47.620 What are you doing with crypto

01:05:49.080 these days?

01:05:49.540 Cause you're super bullish on

01:05:50.640 it.

01:05:50.820 And lately I've been seeing you

01:05:51.880 doing, doing a lot of podcast

01:05:53.320 interviews is really interesting

01:05:54.460 people.

01:05:54.720 It's almost like, um, you know,

01:05:56.820 Joe Rogan, the Canadian style.

01:05:58.660 Yeah.

01:05:59.060 Yeah.

01:05:59.960 Uh, it's a good question.

01:06:01.460 I'm sitting on the sidelines

01:06:02.880 in crypto.

01:06:03.920 I think, like I said, we're

01:06:04.920 really, really early.

01:06:05.680 Like I'm helping some companies,

01:06:06.900 but they're not primarily

01:06:07.800 crypto.

01:06:08.400 They're regulated in Canada.

01:06:10.360 They have to work, you know,

01:06:11.440 MSB license.

01:06:12.380 I've worked with a bunch of

01:06:13.460 crypto loans.

01:06:14.760 So we do loans to Latin America

01:06:16.920 and I work with a crypto

01:06:17.900 exchange here as well.

01:06:19.340 Obviously a block geeks for

01:06:20.460 education, but I I'm sitting

01:06:23.000 on the sidelines and letting the

01:06:24.200 market mature a bit until I

01:06:26.220 make my next play.

01:06:27.100 If I do make a big play in the

01:06:28.380 space, I haven't seen anything

01:06:29.400 that I'm like this, like I I'm,

01:06:32.100 I'm a simple entrepreneur, man.

01:06:33.320 I'm not the guy that's going to

01:06:34.120 raise a hundred million dollars

01:06:35.240 and like pray to like fucking

01:06:36.940 profit.

01:06:38.200 God be like, Hey, profit.

01:06:39.220 God, let me figure out how to

01:06:40.040 make money off of this.

01:06:40.820 It's like, I want to, I want a

01:06:42.160 business model as of yesterday,

01:06:43.740 not tomorrow.

01:06:44.400 Like yesterday, I need to figure

01:06:45.680 out how the fuck to make money

01:06:46.500 yesterday.

01:06:48.260 Um, and so that doesn't really

01:06:50.380 exist yet.

01:06:51.300 That's one of the hurdles of

01:06:52.220 blockchain space is kind of

01:06:53.440 going through is like new web 3.0

01:06:55.180 business models.

01:06:55.880 There's some preliminary ones,

01:06:57.400 but we're very early.

01:06:58.680 And so, yeah, so I'm just

01:06:59.320 chilling on sidelines and then

01:07:00.840 letting them, uh, place, uh, the

01:07:02.800 industry mature.

01:07:04.140 And then the podcast, man, I

01:07:05.580 just work for fun, man.

01:07:06.700 Sitting down with cool people

01:07:07.780 like yourself, interviewing like

01:07:09.140 amazing professors and, and

01:07:11.060 athletes and entrepreneurs and

01:07:13.240 investors.

01:07:13.640 It's just great way to also bring

01:07:15.280 the community of Toronto

01:07:16.080 together.

01:07:17.140 What's your, um, biggest aha

01:07:18.840 moment takeaway been from all the

01:07:20.220 podcast interviews?

01:07:20.940 Cause I mean, they're quite

01:07:21.680 long.

01:07:21.980 I mean, it looks like they're

01:07:22.980 about an hour and a half to

01:07:24.080 two hours long.

01:07:24.680 You talked to a lot of

01:07:25.380 interesting people.

01:07:27.260 Um, from the Toronto aspect,

01:07:29.780 like, yo, we have some serious

01:07:32.000 top eight talent in Toronto,

01:07:33.480 like amazing people, like

01:07:36.000 really surprised.

01:07:37.040 It's a big city.

01:07:37.920 Yeah.

01:07:38.040 It's a big city.

01:07:38.660 There's a lot of really smart

01:07:39.520 guys in the city.

01:07:40.240 Like really smart, especially

01:07:41.560 when it comes to like

01:07:42.240 evolutionary psychology and

01:07:43.580 biology professors.

01:07:44.460 Like we got some like top,

01:07:45.660 top notch people.

01:07:47.360 Um, one thing surprising.

01:07:50.880 And like, I think, I think a lot

01:07:53.580 of people, like they're also

01:07:55.160 blown away.

01:07:55.840 I wouldn't say blown away, but

01:07:56.780 they, they appreciate the long

01:07:58.560 form conversation.

01:07:59.380 I think it's refreshing.

01:08:00.380 A lot of the feedback that I get

01:08:01.480 is like, I tell people there's no

01:08:03.480 preset questions.

01:08:04.340 There's nothing to expect, uh, this

01:08:07.680 is just us sitting down and having

01:08:09.400 a good conversation.

01:08:10.200 And I don't think so.

01:08:11.800 A lot of people are kind of

01:08:12.500 accustomed to that format.

01:08:14.520 What's the aim for it?

01:08:15.420 Like, are you trying to build it

01:08:17.160 up to something that looks like a

01:08:18.240 Joe Rogan podcast or are you just

01:08:19.660 trying to, or is it like one of

01:08:21.540 those things where you just start,

01:08:22.680 you know, throwing some shit at the

01:08:24.440 wall and seeing what starts to

01:08:25.620 stick?

01:08:25.980 Cause I mean, like realistically, if

01:08:27.560 you want, if I, if I'm going to be

01:08:28.740 honest with you, I do it for

01:08:29.660 three reasons.

01:08:30.260 I just want to sit in front of cool

01:08:31.400 people and just talk with them.

01:08:32.800 Yeah.

01:08:33.020 That's kind of why I'm doing

01:08:33.900 this.

01:08:35.000 Honestly, it's why I'm doing the

01:08:36.100 playing the wind series is just

01:08:37.220 because I like talking to really

01:08:38.160 smart people.

01:08:38.700 It's like part of the reason why

01:08:40.200 I set up the channel is I tell

01:08:42.200 people this all the time.

01:08:43.020 It's a, I like being around smart

01:08:45.040 entrepreneurs and fast cars.

01:08:46.480 And that's kind of why I started

01:08:47.440 because I wanted to interview my

01:08:48.440 friends and their success ride.

01:08:49.660 So it's like, this is a really easy

01:08:51.280 way for me to be like, yo, Amir,

01:08:52.500 I'll text you and you know, here's

01:08:53.500 a link, join in, let's have a chat.

01:08:57.680 The fuck was I going to go to with

01:08:59.040 that, man?

01:08:59.400 I'm kind of like bouncing all over

01:09:00.380 the place here with like, oh, look,

01:09:01.740 a squirrel.

01:09:04.620 But that's, you know, that's the

01:09:05.820 beauty of this.

01:09:06.240 Um, so speaking of, oh, look, a

01:09:08.680 squirrel, I mean, like your YouTube

01:09:09.840 channel is very similar to mine.

01:09:11.080 I was looking at, um, you know,

01:09:12.540 your channel before you clicked on

01:09:13.860 and I just kind of like, you know,

01:09:15.400 sorted by popularity and there was

01:09:16.840 a video there on modafinil and I

01:09:18.880 was like watching that for about

01:09:20.060 seven minutes.

01:09:20.660 Like, you know, well, what's

01:09:21.760 modafinil?

01:09:22.360 I use modafinil, you know, from

01:09:23.780 time to time when I'm writing, but,

01:09:25.560 um, like you've been all over the

01:09:27.120 place with the channel and it's

01:09:28.360 like the inconsistency with the

01:09:30.820 narrative that you're doing.

01:09:32.660 Like, it's not a business for you.

01:09:33.920 Like you really do it to kind of

01:09:35.260 like create something.

01:09:36.700 It's no business, man.

01:09:37.780 I do it.

01:09:38.280 I do it.

01:09:38.740 I like teaching.

01:09:39.660 Like, what do you do YouTube for

01:09:41.100 to teach?

01:09:43.860 I just, I literally like teaching.

01:09:45.640 Like if, if I wasn't an

01:09:49.460 entrepreneur, I'll just teach.

01:09:52.000 But not like public school, like

01:09:53.280 teach for free.

01:09:53.820 Like I like teach.

01:09:54.640 I'll, I, you know, I'm like

01:09:55.740 Richard Feynman.

01:09:56.340 I'm very curious.

01:09:57.040 I'm like, like what's the best

01:09:59.760 way for me to learn about

01:10:00.580 something is to know it enough to

01:10:02.060 teach it to somebody else.

01:10:03.680 What do you wish more people

01:10:05.320 would know intuitively that you

01:10:07.660 have to teach them?

01:10:11.060 Good question.

01:10:18.460 How to ask better questions.

01:10:20.300 I think it's a big one.

01:10:21.780 I, I want to say that was

01:10:23.460 instinctive for me at the

01:10:24.520 beginning.

01:10:24.880 I learned that.

01:10:25.720 What do you mean by better

01:10:26.280 questions?

01:10:26.680 Like the questions are too

01:10:27.480 basic or they're not defined

01:10:29.060 enough or at least enough?

01:10:30.540 No, no, no.

01:10:31.140 Like it doesn't matter where

01:10:34.080 you are.

01:10:34.780 What does it, let me put it

01:10:35.820 this way.

01:10:35.980 It doesn't matter where you

01:10:36.640 are in your life.

01:10:37.660 If you're having issues with

01:10:38.760 your wife or your relationship

01:10:39.900 is great or if your business

01:10:41.760 is shit or your business is

01:10:42.780 great.

01:10:44.180 You're always, you're, we, we

01:10:46.780 view life to the perception

01:10:48.640 of our own eyes.

01:10:49.620 And we, you know, there's that

01:10:51.080 theory of biocentrism where

01:10:53.080 we are creating reality.

01:10:55.540 By the second or by the

01:10:57.260 millitenth of a second.

01:10:58.840 So reality is being created

01:11:00.320 by us visualizing on it as

01:11:02.140 opposed to reality just being

01:11:03.360 there.

01:11:04.440 And, you know, you look at

01:11:06.920 the Einstein special

01:11:08.240 relativity theory.

01:11:10.260 Everybody's right.

01:11:11.060 It's true.

01:11:11.520 Like how you, how Richard

01:11:12.600 views life is correct.

01:11:15.880 How Amir views life is

01:11:17.660 correct.

01:11:18.640 Richard would say X, I'll

01:11:19.920 say Y, but we're both

01:11:21.000 correct.

01:11:21.800 However, there is certain

01:11:23.200 heuristics that we can use

01:11:24.700 to better understand what

01:11:26.000 we're trying to perceive.

01:11:28.020 And so it's better

01:11:28.520 questioning.

01:11:29.860 It's better check.

01:11:31.320 So it's a paper not a

01:11:32.240 checklist.

01:11:32.760 It's like we're very binary

01:11:34.440 thinking.

01:11:35.380 So when it comes to a

01:11:36.040 certain problem, I, I'm at

01:11:37.340 fault with her human.

01:11:38.120 You know, I, this, I, I had

01:11:39.680 to learn this through just,

01:11:41.020 you know, there's a saying

01:11:41.660 I'm like a, a smart man

01:11:44.440 learns from his mistakes.

01:11:45.660 A wise man learns from other

01:11:46.600 people's mistakes.

01:11:47.200 I'm like, fuck, I still

01:11:47.880 need to graduate to a wise

01:11:49.180 man.

01:11:49.720 I'm still learning fucking

01:11:50.880 mistakes.

01:11:51.920 Right.

01:11:52.680 And so I think I've heard

01:11:53.820 Warren Buffett say that a

01:11:55.060 few times, actually.

01:11:55.940 Yeah.

01:11:56.100 Warren Buffett, Charlie

01:11:56.860 Munger.

01:11:57.660 Yeah.

01:11:58.360 And so for me, it's like

01:11:59.620 instead of viewing

01:12:02.520 everything like, you know,

01:12:03.760 let's say we have problem

01:12:04.860 a and it can be a problem

01:12:07.820 of like, I don't know,

01:12:08.760 some business problem.

01:12:09.660 We was, we have two

01:12:10.700 options like, oh, I got to

01:12:11.960 hire more people or fire

01:12:13.240 more people.

01:12:13.960 In reality, you have

01:12:15.100 multitude of different

01:12:15.920 options.

01:12:16.420 Right.

01:12:17.320 You have to start thinking

01:12:18.040 outside the box.

01:12:18.980 And this is about like

01:12:19.500 better questions yield

01:12:20.940 better answer.

01:12:21.980 I think we have to kind

01:12:22.840 of stop being very

01:12:24.600 reactive towards the

01:12:26.120 situation and become

01:12:27.160 responsive.

01:12:28.440 And so one of my

01:12:29.300 favorite books I recommend

01:12:30.080 people to read is

01:12:32.040 Victor Frankl's Man

01:12:34.240 Search for Meaning.

01:12:35.320 A phenomenal fucking

01:12:36.500 book.

01:12:37.340 And for better

01:12:38.160 questions would be

01:12:40.640 and I had him on my

01:12:41.940 podcast twice.

01:12:42.700 He's actually in Toronto.

01:12:43.420 He's phenomenal at this.

01:12:44.720 Is Dr.

01:12:45.440 Christopher DiCarlo and

01:12:47.320 his book is called

01:12:48.300 How to Be a Jackass.

01:12:50.400 I'll write that down.

01:12:51.280 I'll put it on my list.

01:12:52.480 Yeah.

01:12:52.740 Yeah.

01:12:53.000 And it's all about how

01:12:53.920 to ask better questions.

01:12:54.920 It's something called

01:12:55.380 ABCD model.

01:12:58.560 Why do you like how to

01:12:59.400 be a jackass?

01:13:01.060 It actually lists exactly

01:13:02.300 how to think more

01:13:02.900 clearly.

01:13:04.220 Like there's a

01:13:04.940 heuristic, like you go

01:13:06.020 through a, like this is

01:13:06.920 what a means.

01:13:07.640 This is kind of the

01:13:08.200 framework you use.

01:13:08.900 Go to B.

01:13:09.460 This is what B means,

01:13:10.280 like the biases, you

01:13:11.200 know, C is context.

01:13:14.560 Okay.

01:13:17.620 Got a question here.

01:13:18.660 Somebody posted, they're

01:13:20.300 asking about time

01:13:21.040 management.

01:13:21.680 Amir, how do you

01:13:22.060 manage your daily, your

01:13:23.440 time daily and

01:13:24.260 prioritize your goals?

01:13:26.240 Oh, it's a good

01:13:26.680 question.

01:13:26.980 I do chunking.

01:13:27.780 So 90 minutes.

01:13:29.280 So in science has

01:13:30.380 shown that 90 minutes

01:13:31.280 is the most optimal

01:13:32.200 human focus time you

01:13:34.060 can get.

01:13:35.040 And so I chunk my

01:13:36.360 time.

01:13:36.680 So if I'm doing

01:13:37.300 emails is 90 minutes, I

01:13:38.600 only do emails.

01:13:39.680 I won't multitask.

01:13:42.060 So whether it's emails

01:13:44.040 or phone calls, let's

01:13:45.300 say like I need to

01:13:46.020 reply.

01:13:46.560 So it's really dumb

01:13:47.580 work.

01:13:47.960 I don't need to use

01:13:48.660 cognitive load.

01:13:50.240 I'll chunk all that

01:13:51.640 non-cognitive load work

01:13:53.020 in a 90 minutes.

01:13:53.980 Same thing if I have to

01:13:54.980 be creative and I have

01:13:55.880 to write something out

01:13:56.900 or I have to think of

01:13:57.500 something or map

01:13:58.180 something out, I would

01:13:59.440 chunk that into 90

01:14:00.400 minutes.

01:14:00.720 It'll be 90 minute

01:14:01.420 break, 90 minute.

01:14:03.100 And so that's kind of

01:14:03.680 everything's by chunking.

01:14:05.120 Like that's pretty much

01:14:05.940 it.

01:14:06.680 What do you think of

01:14:07.540 did you read James

01:14:08.860 Clear's Atomic Habits?

01:14:12.160 I know the book.

01:14:12.800 I didn't read it.

01:14:13.620 Yeah.

01:14:14.400 Interesting read.

01:14:15.100 It's kind of like what

01:14:18.260 you're talking about, but

01:14:18.980 it's stacking things

01:14:19.860 together.

01:14:20.780 You can say, listen, at

01:14:21.660 the end of the day,

01:14:22.020 everyone's wired

01:14:22.500 differently too.

01:14:23.400 Like one thing I

01:14:24.440 personally don't believe

01:14:25.600 in free will.

01:14:26.240 I don't believe that you

01:14:27.940 can think what you want

01:14:29.220 and do what you want.

01:14:30.840 We know in studies, we

01:14:31.980 know how human beings

01:14:32.720 work.

01:14:33.100 You mentioned earlier

01:14:33.760 with PTSD.

01:14:34.620 We are one of the

01:14:35.500 biggest triggers in your

01:14:36.180 life as an environment.

01:14:37.180 So I don't care how

01:14:39.520 much you want to think

01:14:40.220 you've become a better

01:14:40.760 person.

01:14:41.100 If you have a fucking

01:14:41.760 shitty wife, I won't

01:14:42.700 say shitty, but if you

01:14:43.420 have a, not even a

01:14:44.620 wife, a partner, let's

01:14:45.860 say, that's not

01:14:46.360 supportive, good luck

01:14:47.620 trying to become

01:14:48.160 better, right?

01:14:48.780 If you are trying to go to

01:14:50.960 the gym and your gym's an

01:14:51.940 hour and away, good luck

01:14:53.500 trying to get to the gym

01:14:54.320 every fucking day.

01:14:55.160 You know what I mean?

01:14:55.620 Like your environment has

01:14:57.340 to be conducive to your

01:14:58.360 success.

01:14:58.920 It's like, it's pretty

01:15:00.140 fucking black and white

01:15:01.240 when it comes to that.

01:15:02.540 Yeah.

01:15:03.080 Yeah.

01:15:04.160 So, I mean, I want to

01:15:06.080 wrap this up in about 10

01:15:06.920 or 15 minutes because we're

01:15:07.740 coming up on 90 minutes,

01:15:08.760 but like for you, you're

01:15:11.760 still young, man.

01:15:12.380 You're in your early

01:15:12.900 thirties, right?

01:15:13.540 I mean, like, you know,

01:15:15.440 I tell guys when you're a

01:15:17.180 lot younger, when you're

01:15:18.080 twenties and thirties,

01:15:19.060 definitely play to win,

01:15:20.240 right?

01:15:20.500 Because I mean, if you

01:15:21.240 fuck up, you're going to

01:15:22.240 fall down and you get back

01:15:23.100 up, you just start a

01:15:23.880 little over again.

01:15:24.560 Plus the ROI is very high.

01:15:26.420 Whereas playing not to

01:15:27.460 lose a little more

01:15:28.040 defensive.

01:15:28.480 Like when you, when you've

01:15:29.520 made the money, you've

01:15:30.240 put your little dent in

01:15:30.980 the universe, it's okay to

01:15:32.480 kind of peel back a little

01:15:33.380 bit on the risk sort of

01:15:34.360 profile.

01:15:34.940 Where are you right now on

01:15:36.240 playing the win versus

01:15:37.320 playing not to lose?

01:15:39.380 I'm, I think I'm

01:15:40.340 hardwired to play to win

01:15:42.660 for the rest of my life.

01:15:43.700 I'm my, my, my met.

01:15:45.760 And this is why once

01:15:46.580 again, I think if you,

01:15:47.920 you know, Steven

01:15:49.320 Sisler.

01:15:49.780 So I think it's one of the

01:15:51.040 best work.

01:15:51.580 I do his disc profile

01:15:52.400 angle the time.

01:15:53.620 He publicly analyzed me

01:15:55.400 on his podcast a couple

01:15:56.420 of weeks ago, if anyone's

01:15:57.400 interested in it's kind of

01:15:58.880 pretty fucking spooky.

01:16:00.020 I've done it.

01:16:00.360 Like I mentioned a bunch

01:16:01.000 of times.

01:16:01.300 So if like, for me, I'm

01:16:02.440 hardwired to play to be

01:16:05.960 crazy for the rest of my

01:16:07.040 life.

01:16:08.400 That's how I am.

01:16:09.540 I'm not.

01:16:09.940 How did you, how did

01:16:10.920 you discover that?

01:16:11.760 Like, is it.

01:16:12.380 Just through this

01:16:14.200 profiling, you do auditing

01:16:15.920 of your behavior in the

01:16:16.860 background and you ask

01:16:17.860 yourself certain questions

01:16:18.780 of what you, what turns

01:16:19.840 you on, what, what turns

01:16:21.060 you off, you know, and

01:16:22.560 you come to archetypical

01:16:23.700 design of what, cause you

01:16:25.440 have your genetics, then

01:16:26.260 you have epigenetics, which

01:16:27.300 is your software, your

01:16:28.080 genetics, your substrates

01:16:29.300 dictates how your software

01:16:30.600 behaves, right?

01:16:31.360 So your software behaves in a

01:16:32.700 certain bell curve in a

01:16:33.520 spectrum.

01:16:33.780 So you deviate your natural

01:16:35.580 behavior within a lineage or

01:16:37.520 within a spectrum.

01:16:38.340 It's not like a mirror behaves

01:16:39.880 like this and behaves like

01:16:40.720 that.

01:16:41.020 No, no, no.

01:16:41.400 I just behave within this

01:16:42.360 range like this.

01:16:43.040 And it's a common denominator

01:16:44.080 in my life.

01:16:44.640 I behave like that.

01:16:45.360 Now the context that the

01:16:47.600 context of your environment

01:16:48.620 dictates within that spectrum,

01:16:50.300 how you behave.

01:16:51.280 And so for me, it's like,

01:16:52.800 unless I'm, I have to be

01:16:53.920 challenging myself.

01:16:54.800 I like, if I'm not challenged,

01:16:56.640 uh, and if I'm not pushed to

01:16:59.080 the max, I lose interest.

01:17:00.600 I wouldn't even do it.

01:17:01.500 And I'm not driven by money.

01:17:02.420 Another thing too.

01:17:03.040 Like I'm not one of these

01:17:03.760 like hardcore, let's say

01:17:04.760 like economic opportunists

01:17:06.720 where like, oh, I know for a

01:17:07.580 fact that can make a meal.

01:17:08.360 I don't give a flying fuck.

01:17:10.880 Well, that's interesting.

01:17:11.760 Cause I mean, you're, you're

01:17:13.100 also talking about looking for

01:17:14.160 a big exit too.

01:17:15.940 And did you measure big, big

01:17:17.780 exit as in a form of

01:17:19.280 monetary?

01:17:20.960 No, or for me, that's a

01:17:22.760 side effect of creating

01:17:23.680 massive value.

01:17:25.220 Got it.

01:17:26.280 Yeah.

01:17:26.760 And I know I'm capable of

01:17:27.640 the thing of the primary

01:17:28.760 reason for me saying that is

01:17:30.100 I know what I'm fucking

01:17:30.920 capable of.

01:17:31.760 Yeah.

01:17:32.080 And I would actually be

01:17:32.880 fucking pissed off if I

01:17:33.980 don't build something

01:17:34.560 because I know I'm capable

01:17:35.540 of building it.

01:17:36.680 Yeah.

01:17:37.520 It's one thing I feel you're

01:17:38.440 not capable of and you have

01:17:39.520 no experience, but like I

01:17:41.040 see a fucking path to build

01:17:42.400 it.

01:17:44.160 I get the feeling that

01:17:45.160 you're kind of lost, but

01:17:47.800 you're looking.

01:17:49.300 Yeah, that's exactly.

01:17:50.280 That's exactly where I am.

01:17:51.260 I'm lost.

01:17:51.680 I'm looking.

01:17:52.140 Yeah.

01:17:52.500 Yeah.

01:17:53.060 And that's an interesting

01:17:53.940 place to be because a lot

01:17:55.320 of people will say like,

01:17:56.920 like, how do you get on

01:17:57.680 your purpose?

01:17:58.100 Like, how do you find what

01:17:59.060 it is that you want to do?

01:18:00.140 And I get the vibe that

01:18:02.120 you're lost right now, but

01:18:03.280 you're looking in one of

01:18:04.260 the like platforms, one of

01:18:05.940 the mediums that you use to

01:18:07.760 seek answers or to find the

01:18:10.240 next thing for you is

01:18:11.340 actually this podcasting

01:18:12.500 thing because it gives you

01:18:13.360 an opportunity to have a

01:18:15.080 one-on-one conversation,

01:18:16.120 like a well-documented

01:18:17.580 one too, that you can

01:18:18.420 actually put out so other

01:18:19.240 people can see, but a

01:18:20.540 well-documented

01:18:21.080 conversation with very smart

01:18:22.320 people that, you know,

01:18:23.500 kind of open up new

01:18:24.420 doors for you.

01:18:26.040 Yeah.

01:18:26.380 Listen, like at the end

01:18:27.140 of the day, I hate this.

01:18:29.140 I used to be a long time

01:18:30.220 ago appreciative of the

01:18:31.680 word, you know, follow

01:18:32.740 your bliss as Joseph

01:18:33.520 Campbell would say, or

01:18:34.440 find your passion.

01:18:35.180 For me, it's like, it's

01:18:35.920 bullshit.

01:18:36.260 Like what you need to do

01:18:37.840 is like first fucking

01:18:38.660 build hardcore skills.

01:18:40.180 If you don't have

01:18:40.500 skills, your passion is

01:18:41.660 useless.

01:18:42.320 Like build your fucking

01:18:43.220 skills.

01:18:43.600 You know, I was in the

01:18:44.140 trenches building multiple

01:18:45.820 startups, building

01:18:46.460 marketing for more than a

01:18:47.500 decade, you know, bleeding

01:18:48.780 that shit, understanding it.

01:18:50.200 So I had the skills and

01:18:52.160 I'm always learning.

01:18:53.920 And the other thing is

01:18:54.860 exposure, right?

01:18:55.760 So like in, in, in my

01:18:57.500 current state of like a

01:18:59.060 scanning or R and D or

01:19:00.340 searching is like, just

01:19:01.360 talk to people, just

01:19:02.520 talk, don't force

01:19:03.500 anything.

01:19:03.760 Just talk, investigate,

01:19:05.180 talk, investigate, and

01:19:07.200 you'll eventually find

01:19:08.140 something.

01:19:08.460 And then you just got to

01:19:09.200 ask yourself, it's like

01:19:10.020 you narrow down maybe two

01:19:11.860 or three different options.

01:19:12.840 Ask yourself why you're

01:19:13.660 interested in these

01:19:14.160 options.

01:19:14.700 Why are you building this?

01:19:15.780 Like for me, the stuff

01:19:17.160 that I focus on, it has to

01:19:18.880 be like, for me, there

01:19:21.180 has to be a higher

01:19:23.620 purpose for building this

01:19:24.800 type of business.

01:19:25.560 Like, is it helping

01:19:26.520 people?

01:19:26.960 Is it like, or is it just

01:19:28.900 a quick flip to make

01:19:29.720 money?

01:19:29.980 Like for me, I don't

01:19:30.500 care.

01:19:30.780 It's not like I'm

01:19:31.140 fucking struggling.

01:19:31.900 Like I need a dollar.

01:19:32.920 So for me, I have at

01:19:34.000 least a luxury and

01:19:34.700 opportunity to have that

01:19:35.860 choice to be like, okay,

01:19:36.740 I can focus on something

01:19:37.840 that they deliver.

01:19:38.780 Like that's why I'm

01:19:39.240 saying psychedelics, like

01:19:40.200 to deliver fucking

01:19:40.980 immense value to people

01:19:42.240 around the world.

01:19:45.300 Are you looking for

01:19:46.260 like a frying pan of

01:19:47.400 the forehead moment?

01:19:48.100 Like I call it a frying

01:19:48.940 pan to the forehead

01:19:49.640 moment because it's

01:19:50.340 like, um, for me, when

01:19:52.640 I was doing this stuff

01:19:53.520 on the channel with

01:19:54.220 creating the content, I

01:19:55.100 kind of moved from

01:19:55.700 cars talking about

01:19:56.800 business stuff.

01:19:57.460 And then for, for

01:19:58.860 some reason, it just

01:19:59.660 kind of leaned into

01:20:00.620 dealing with the

01:20:01.800 dynamics on the sexual

01:20:02.780 marketplace between men

01:20:03.820 and women.

01:20:04.360 And at some point I

01:20:05.500 got so many emails and

01:20:06.960 such positive feedback.

01:20:07.900 It was like taking a

01:20:08.780 frying pan to the

01:20:09.420 forehead.

01:20:09.680 It's like, okay, this

01:20:10.820 is what I need to be

01:20:11.560 doing right now.

01:20:12.420 And I'm still doing

01:20:13.460 that.

01:20:13.820 And like my, my final

01:20:16.140 summary of all that's

01:20:17.180 going to be the book.

01:20:17.820 Like I'm basically

01:20:18.500 distilling everything

01:20:19.480 that I've learned now.

01:20:20.480 I'm going to put it in

01:20:20.980 this document and that'll

01:20:22.260 be like done, close

01:20:23.540 everything's there that

01:20:24.280 you need to know.

01:20:25.240 Is that what you're

01:20:25.940 looking for?

01:20:26.380 Like a frying pan to the

01:20:27.280 forehead moment?

01:20:28.200 I think it'll happen.

01:20:29.340 I got that with crypto,

01:20:30.580 you know, after I went

01:20:32.240 to my third meetup, I

01:20:33.940 got the, Oh, holy

01:20:35.080 fuck, this is crazy.

01:20:36.080 I'm in like that was the

01:20:37.160 moment.

01:20:37.720 And I wanted to drop

01:20:38.820 everything else in my

01:20:39.880 life and only focus on

01:20:40.860 this.

01:20:41.160 Like I was sold.

01:20:41.880 That happened to me

01:20:43.360 when I entered crypto

01:20:43.980 like seven years ago.

01:20:45.680 And so, yeah, I'm

01:20:46.740 looking for, I'm not

01:20:47.760 forceful.

01:20:48.560 It's just, I have the

01:20:49.580 opportunity now through

01:20:50.820 my past experiences to

01:20:52.160 be like, sit back and

01:20:54.860 let's see what happens.

01:20:56.420 Yeah.

01:20:57.080 No, I dig it, man.

01:20:58.320 I think, I think we

01:20:59.620 should wrap it up on

01:21:00.260 that note.

01:21:00.840 That was a really good

01:21:01.400 conversation.

01:21:02.020 I enjoyed having a

01:21:03.720 chat with you.

01:21:04.960 One thing before we go

01:21:07.040 here, I just want to

01:21:07.740 let you guys know that

01:21:08.660 I'm building this email

01:21:09.460 list for the book

01:21:10.560 that's coming out in

01:21:11.160 the next couple of

01:21:11.680 months.

01:21:12.540 So if you haven't

01:21:13.080 gotten on it, it's

01:21:13.700 just entrepreneurs

01:21:14.220 and cars.com forward

01:21:15.380 slash red dash flags.

01:21:17.260 And that's one of the

01:21:18.520 free chapters that I'm

01:21:19.820 going to put out.

01:21:21.080 Just covering red flags

01:21:22.100 you want to avoid when

01:21:22.760 it comes to dealing

01:21:23.420 with women on a

01:21:24.420 sexual marketplace.

01:21:25.400 Where can people

01:21:26.140 find you, Amir?

01:21:27.960 The best is I spend

01:21:29.340 most of my time jamming

01:21:31.120 on Twitter under my

01:21:32.140 name, Amir Rosic.

01:21:33.060 And you can catch my

01:21:34.460 podcast and some of my

01:21:36.240 daily rants that I do

01:21:37.340 on my YouTube channel,

01:21:38.260 which is also just my

01:21:39.240 name, Amir Rosic.

01:21:40.720 All right.

01:21:41.260 So check him out.

01:21:42.600 He's got some great

01:21:43.440 interviews.

01:21:44.060 There'll be one coming

01:21:44.640 out in the next couple

01:21:45.720 of weeks that me and

01:21:46.620 him did last Friday.

01:21:47.600 So you can look out for

01:21:48.420 some for some shits and

01:21:50.100 giggles and some provoking

01:21:51.200 there.

01:21:51.620 But yeah, man, thanks for

01:21:52.840 hanging out.

01:21:53.200 I really appreciate you

01:21:54.100 spending some time.

01:21:55.820 We'll catch up with you

01:21:56.420 soon, brother.

01:21:56.880 Thanks.

01:21:57.380 Yeah, man.

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