Playing to Win - 021 - How Estrogenics Make You Fat, Sick & Infertile w⧸ Dr. Anthony Jay

00:00:00.000 all right guys what is up we're live we're at episode 21 of the playing to win uh broadcast

00:00:11.840 series i'm joined today by dr anthony j of the astro generation book how you doing dr j doing

00:00:20.000 great thanks so a little bit of background i was introduced to uh anthony from um jay campbell and

00:00:27.300 he mentioned your book to me about a year ago um i've been tied up with a bunch of stuff and had

00:00:32.180 and hadn't had a chance to dive into it and i had another conversation with him a few weeks ago and

00:00:37.100 he did an intro and here we are today but um it was a really interesting read i've done i've done a lot

00:00:42.820 of um i'm not a biohacker by any stretch of the imagination but i've done a lot of reading and

00:00:49.600 listening to books in areas to i mean as you get older it's almost like you have to do this stuff

00:00:54.820 you know you have to really pay attention to what you eat what you're you know what's in your

00:00:58.700 environment what you put on your body and in your body and stuff like that and i was always interested

00:01:02.400 in environmental um endocrine disruptors right so wi-fi bluetooth stuff like that and your book

00:01:11.320 covers it from a totally different angle oh yeah estrogens yeah um so towards the end of the book

00:01:18.440 it almost seemed like the entire book was really about catching that tarpon though like you're a big

00:01:21.520 fisherman oh yeah so um how would you how would you describe the book to the layman out there

00:01:28.540 that is looking at the cover with this half eaten tree uh or half live tree and half dead tree and the

00:01:35.700 title of the book again is estrogeneration uh hang on where is the subtitle here you know what you go 0.78

00:01:42.460 ahead and tell them because you wrote it yeah how estrogenics are making you fat sick and infertile

00:01:47.040 is the subtitle yeah yeah and the idea was the tree is you know i'm actually kind of doing this

00:01:53.260 whole series and it's basically identifying the problems and then the solutions to those problems

00:01:58.020 the problems in this case being these artificial estrogen chemicals that are literally all around us

00:02:02.440 and most people have no idea and then the solution of course is just you know you can use a sauna there's

00:02:09.360 a number of different solutions which of course we'll talk about here but yeah we got lots to get

00:02:13.820 into um we did a we did a dna analysis for my 23andme i got a lot of questions for you um where

00:02:23.040 should we begin so let's start with the notion of all these environmental estrogens that we're putting

00:02:29.360 on and in our bodies and how that affects um i mean 95 95 of my audience is men so let's deal with men

00:02:37.540 you know for the sake of the argument here but and how that affects men and their well-being as they age

00:02:43.220 right because um when you start to pay attention to blood labs and i still have the stack over here

00:02:48.540 as i'm looking at on my table because i've got about 18 of them now but i do them every three

00:02:53.020 to four months because i'm on trt uh talked to jay about this a couple years ago and um it's really

00:02:59.000 interesting to see how little pivots and change happen you know with small tweaks and changing your

00:03:03.840 diet with exercise and all that but there's things that you know i've been putting on my body for years

00:03:08.060 and i have some stuff on my table because i was looking at the ingredients as i was looking on your

00:03:10.940 website so i've got these sunscreens here these are advertised from costco uh and you've got one

00:03:17.480 actually that one there the yellow one the 30 spf right that's not a zinc based one that one is a

00:03:23.860 zinc based one the 50 of course the babies get the better stuff um and then i bought this off your

00:03:29.800 website after we talked and i took a look through your website which is basically a more natural zinc

00:03:35.380 spray but let's start with what we put on our bodies and how that affects the endocrine system

00:03:41.060 in males and why it's bad so let's talk about sunscreens first awesome yeah sunscreen is a good

00:03:46.160 place to start because most sunscreen in america has endocrine disrupting chemicals it has chemicals

00:03:53.360 that act like estrogen and in fact after i published my book so this isn't even in my book this little bit

00:03:59.380 but there was a study they did after i published my book and they showed and this was in like cnn and

00:04:06.080 everything you can just google sunscreen study estrogen chemicals usually you might have to add

00:04:10.560 the word uh benzophenone or oxybenzone you have to add one of these technical chemical terms

00:04:15.220 unfortunately because those are the chemicals and that's what i want you to look at on that label

00:04:18.920 look and see if there's oxybenzone on either of those you know they make it so small i can't even

00:04:24.200 read it with the damn glasses but they got yeah oxy oxybenzone five percent exactly uh pardon me 0.60

00:04:32.120 yeah is it in both of them or is it just in that one it's in the 30 the 50 is more zinc based it says 0.98

00:04:37.960 the medical ingredient is zinc oxide 20.6 good so that one's probably good but then it's got a bunch

00:04:45.880 of other stuff you can't really pronounce like dimethyl copotonin and c12-15 alkali benzate benzate

00:04:52.840 sure does it have uh four methyl benzaline camphor hang on give me a second i'll dive through all

00:04:58.960 these four methyl benzaline camphor probably not if it's zinc based i'm sure you're good with that

00:05:04.020 one not on this one no yeah i mean there's some questionable chemicals but they're not acting like

00:05:08.820 estrogen probably but that first one certainly with the oxybenzone okay that's what i was saying

00:05:13.260 because they did a study with oxybenzone now again this is just after i published my book but

00:05:17.980 they put sunscreen on people and they tested their blood seven days later and their blood levels

00:05:24.660 of oxybenzone which again acts like estrogen in your body it was above the government's own

00:05:29.640 recommended limits seven days after one application of sunscreen a crazy crazy finding and even the

00:05:36.740 former fda uh chairman came out and said this is unbelievable we got to do more studies you know how

00:05:42.300 can this be and then we've had this chemical legal for 30 years and you know of course you can't get

00:05:48.040 the the current administration the current fda the current epa you can't get them to say anything

00:05:53.420 because you know there's legal stuff and you know they have a lot of ego involved with this stuff but

00:05:58.680 there was um some mention in the book about how um sunscreen causes estrogen and i'm probably

00:06:06.640 butchering this so maybe you can correct me but uh sunscreen will will will cause a binding effect

00:06:12.940 to estrogen receptors or to testosterone receptors so it actually makes it even harder for you to

00:06:19.180 produce your own testosterone exactly uh it blocks binding to the receptor for testosterone so because

00:06:25.680 of the uv light on your skin it like it actually locks it out right there's two things yeah so i talked

00:06:30.080 to an organic chemist about this chemical and it so with the estrogen receptor which is the receptor

00:06:36.220 that obviously picks up estrogen when you've got this oxybenzone this estrogen chemical in your

00:06:41.000 body if it interacts with the uv light it can link to the estrogen receptor it's like turning on a

00:06:47.220 light switch and just leaving it on normally when estrogen comes into the receptor it binds and then

00:06:50.980 it goes off you know so you flip on the light you flip it back off so you don't constantly have

00:06:55.020 estrogen effects but if you have this oxybenzone and then you fuse it on there with uv light

00:06:59.780 you can permanently flip on the light switch in other words permanently activate the estrogen

00:07:03.740 receptor if that makes sense and then in terms of the testosterone receptor it actually blocks

00:07:09.500 binding to the testosterone receptor so even if your levels look good on testosterone if you're

00:07:15.080 loading up on this oxybenzone this artificial estrogen chemical and any other artificial estrogen

00:07:19.900 chemicals that we're going to talk about because it blocks binding the receptor the testosterone can't

00:07:23.800 even do anything does that make sense it's like basically putting a piece of plywood in front of a hockey

00:07:27.760 goal and then shooting pucks at it you can't score you know what i mean it doesn't matter how many

00:07:31.700 pucks you have out on the ice and how many players you have you're not going to put any points on the

00:07:35.600 on the board because you got a piece of plywood in front of the goal you're blocking the testosterone

00:07:39.240 receptor so they call it testosterone uh sensitivity you know it's like insulin sensitivity everybody in

00:07:45.840 america they're eating too many carbs and we're all you know we're all basically desensitized to

00:07:50.240 insulin we have insulin sensitivity issues and we have the same problem with testosterone so this stuff

00:07:56.240 is really bad yeah like i should throw this in the garbage yeah correct you don't put this on your 0.87

00:08:01.500 kids you don't put it on yourself in fact it's illegal now in like a bunch of different places

00:08:06.460 like hawaii it's illegal to use that okay because it's killing off the coral reef which is ironic

00:08:11.240 because they wait until the coral reef starts dying and then they start doing the legal stuff

00:08:15.100 as opposed to waiting until people yeah it doesn't matter that men are growing breasts it's when 1.00

00:08:21.240 you know the coral reef starts to die that they're going to do something about it um kind of as a

00:08:27.360 side note because i'm always fascinated by the way society behaves and i almost want to say lately but

00:08:34.820 it's not lately it's it's it's almost been like this for a while now but it just seems more obvious

00:08:39.560 to me now that i'm an older guy that we're kind of pussified right like it and i wonder how much 0.69

00:08:46.260 you know because of sunscreen because of toiletries because of our diet like i go to the gym it's not

00:08:53.640 open right now here in toronto but when i go to the gym i mean there's guys in the change room with

00:08:57.720 breasts like literally with female breast tissue um there's a big change in society in general like 0.99

00:09:04.860 do you think that these um i mean not just the endocrine disruptors like the standard stuff that i was

00:09:10.660 familiar with before like um you know bluetooth wi-fi and stuff like that you know having your cell phone

00:09:14.940 your pants you know closer johnson all that but um is is a combination of all this in your estimation

00:09:22.220 what's what's creating a lot of this weakness in society like the general pacification of the west

00:09:27.860 i think so because if you do animal studies with these chemicals like if you give them if you give

00:09:32.660 rats bpa or phthalates you know which again are those are in personal care phthalates are particularly

00:09:38.700 common in personal care products or parabens you give those to rats and the male rats just are

00:09:43.860 completely apathetic they're not interested in females uh they call it male feminization you even

00:09:49.480 see gonad changes you know like for example they have reduced anal genital distance if you want to 0.82

00:09:55.220 get super technical they literally does that mean in layman's terms it is feminized like women have a 1.00

00:10:00.500 an anal genital distance like the between their vagina and their genital their anus it's a lot shorter 1.00

00:10:06.060 than males okay so that's like a it's a hormone initiated you know process so that changes in males too

00:10:13.280 if you give them a bunch of estrogens yes really you see a bunch of biological i mean you mentioned

00:10:19.360 one of them man boobs right obviously that's an estrogenic feminization most scientists don't like 1.00

00:10:25.180 to call it feminization because it's kind of a politically brave term to say these days but i

00:10:30.480 call it feminization i mean there's definitely scientific research papers that literally use the

00:10:34.300 term feminization and that's what it is so yeah it's brain it changes the brain it changes the body

00:10:41.000 it can happen more to a greater degree to a lesser degree like for example lavender makes

00:10:46.680 makes the list in my book lavender essential oil which is one that a lot of people don't think about

00:10:52.340 because a lot of health people are using lavender and you know it's promoted as a healthy thing i mean

00:10:57.400 it is anti-inflammatory but they discovered that lavender essential oil acts like estrogen in the new

00:11:02.900 england journal of medicine they published a study where they had a bunch of children like nine month

00:11:06.840 old babies that started developing breasts and going into puberty and they removed all the lavender

00:11:12.740 from their personal care stuff because that was the common theme they found and all of them basically

00:11:18.240 you know they reversed all of those issues and then they did an additional study on lavender essential oil

00:11:25.080 and they measured the estrogen receptor activation so does it flip on the light switch right and it does

00:11:30.320 so that's an even more powerful example of you know yeah you see it but if you actually look at the

00:11:36.680 estrogen receptor again i'm a biochemist so that's the what i that's the study i want to see to prove

00:11:42.160 that it acts like estrogen and sure enough it does and they've tested multiple brands a lot of people

00:11:45.840 say well that's your lavender essential oil i get stuff from this brand or that brand and mine is co2

00:11:51.820 extracted and all this kind of fancy thing but right it's it's not it's not necessarily brand dependent

00:11:58.900 because they tested multiple brands yeah there's a lot of guys that um have ego investments in

00:12:04.180 certain brands or even you know types of food like soy is a big one you know in the space that i work

00:12:10.780 in a lot of guys will make fun of weaker men and call them soy like you know you know soy boyers 0.93

00:12:17.080 or something like that and then they'll always have their vegan counterparts come in and try to defend soy

00:12:22.380 um you know with all kinds of narratives and stories about how it's not bad for you but throughout

00:12:28.600 your entire book you talk about soy in quite great lengths right so what is the what is the sum of

00:12:36.660 all these uh parts when it comes to soy like is soy good or bad for men well that's a good question i i

00:12:43.000 mean what's funny about soy every scientist agrees it acts like estrogen so you at least have to start

00:12:49.120 the conversation there because even the vegans that say it's good for you they admit it acts like estrogen

00:12:54.480 so you know that alone for most men is enough to say okay i don't want to have more soy in my food

00:13:00.940 and by the way arguments that they tend to push a lot of is like you'd have to eat like buckets of soy

00:13:06.080 to convert that much estrogen in your body for it to be harmful is it is it really that much or is it

00:13:11.400 like no sushi if i put soy like if i dip my macchi rolls into soy sauce is that bad enough to disrupt

00:13:18.100 my endocrine system to you know for that day good question yeah so in canada ironically they did a

00:13:23.600 food study with over 100 food items plant foods and all of the plants were under 1000 units of estrogen

00:13:29.920 except soy and flax soy and flax were over 100 000 units of estrogen so it was like a night and day

00:13:36.720 difference between soy and flax and everything else and what was cool about that study they tested soy

00:13:42.440 sauce so they tested natto and all these different you know naturally fermented soy products all of those

00:13:49.360 were under 100 units of estrogen so the actual soy 100 000 even soy protein was in the thousands right

00:13:56.560 like a lot of the soy products but as soon as you include natural fermentation those microorganisms chew

00:14:02.920 up all those estrogens and it depends a lot on your gut health so if you've got a crappy gut

00:14:06.880 you know your those soy estrogens are going to go into your bloodstream a lot more have a lot bigger

00:14:11.360 impact if your gut's super healthy your gut bacteria are probably going to break a lot of them down

00:14:15.760 it's pretty risky and the other thing is there's a more complicated argument a lot of vegans will

00:14:20.260 propose at a scientific level where there's there's actually when you have testosterone in your body

00:14:24.700 there's only one receptor it's called the testosterone the androgen receptor but with estrogens there's

00:14:29.240 actually two receptors that stick to it and one's called estrogen receptor alpha and the other one's

00:14:33.940 called estrogen receptor beta so alpha and beta and everybody recognizes in the scientific community

00:14:38.920 alpha is pretty problematic alpha receptor increases breast cancer risk in women it increases

00:14:44.120 prostate cancer in men it's problematic you don't want to be activating the alpha receptor beta receptor

00:14:49.200 is actually protective in in terms of estrogen so estrogen has a lot of protective benefits to it

00:14:54.340 if you're activating the beta receptor it's protective against prostate cancer it's protective against breast

00:14:58.780 cancer and a lot of other things so the argument most vegans like to propose is that the soy activates

00:15:05.540 the beta receptor and they you know michael greger dr michael greger big you know youtube star within the vegan

00:15:12.220 community he's the big proponent of this argument and he cites a study that i've looked at and he

00:15:16.540 said look look at figure one in this paper it shows beta activation and only a little bit of alpha with

00:15:22.160 soy what's what's ironic about that paper is figure two shows the exact opposite in a different person

00:15:27.880 so it's very person dependent again way too risky and you know i didn't get into that much we i didn't get

00:15:34.400 into the weeds that much in my book i tried to make it really easy for anybody to read but yeah if you

00:15:38.760 really if you're really honest with yourself and you really dig into the science i mean soy is

00:15:42.300 estrogenic it's something people should avoid yeah and so is uh flaxseed oil which is something i used

00:15:48.040 to like routinely blend into my protein shakes for a long time um i learned flaxseed was estrogenic about

00:15:54.400 two years ago so i took that out on my diet um you know soy has obviously been out of my diet for a long

00:15:59.960 time because i knew that was garbage but um i mean there's still a lot of soy products out there and

00:16:04.420 it's infused in a lot of foods i mean it's a filler in a lot of foods i mean even mentioned

00:16:07.920 um in the book if you buy something that's labeled vegetable oil 30 of it could be soy right you know

00:16:14.640 because soy is a vegetable so um soy is something like soy is something that all men should should

00:16:21.160 skip like is that what you're saying or correct unless it's fermented soy sauce fine put a ton of

00:16:25.740 it on your food okay so fermented is fine so sushi is good you're good with your sushi you can

00:16:30.420 yeah awesome okay all right i don't have to move away from my uh sushi place man because i got this

00:16:37.000 great boutique joint that does some good awesome does some good work um okay so let's talk about

00:16:42.580 some uh stuff that we're putting in our body was when it comes to food beyond soy and flax um you also

00:16:49.780 mentioned a lot with packaging plastic packaging um there's been a big movement lately and a lot of

00:16:55.760 people will still buy plastic bottles and drink things out of plastic bottles because it says bpa

00:17:00.320 free um but there's still like estrogenics in these plastics yeah oh yeah can you talk about that for

00:17:07.660 a little bit yeah for sure so uh when the when so 17 states at least in america outlawed bpa for

00:17:14.480 children's products what the companies did instead of using bisphenol a which is this bpa they made

00:17:19.960 bisphenol s which is literally if they've done studies it's just as estrogenic as bpa it acts like

00:17:26.080 estrogen in your body just as much as bpa but now they can say bpa free and now they're using bps

00:17:31.260 and so it sounds good and if they don't want to use bps they can use bpf and they can use bpaf and

00:17:37.620 they can literally use like a whole alphabet of different chemicals that are just as estrogenic

00:17:41.960 as bpa but sometimes they don't use any of the bisphenols and they just use phthalates so it's plastic

00:17:47.340 number one in the little recycling symbol on the bottom of the plastic that's full of phthalates

00:17:51.740 and phthalates are also estrogenic so generally you just want to be really cautious of plastic

00:17:56.460 there are plastics out there that don't have estrogen but it's it's pretty hard to find them

00:18:01.780 it's not super common some companies are really careful about it most companies you can't find it

00:18:06.280 in glass or stainless steel right like it's exactly glass is great stainless is great exactly it's not

00:18:11.640 and silicone packaging i think you said was also good for storing food yep silicone is good

00:18:17.080 um so as far as any other foods to avoid beyond soy and flax what else should men keep their eyes

00:18:24.900 out for well smoking cannabis actually acts like estrogen as well um not the edibles for some

00:18:30.900 reason just the smoke oh that's interesting and not the thc so vaping is vaping is fine okay there's

00:18:37.520 something about smoking because it's the combustion of the the plant versus the cooking of it exactly

00:18:42.860 yeah that's interesting so there's something about that so it doesn't mean you can never have it

00:18:46.880 it just means you know if you're adding that on top of all the plastics and all the sunscreens and

00:18:52.100 all the other shit well then you've got potential issues and that and you see it like in teenagers you 0.79

00:18:57.120 see more infertility and that sort of thing and in teenagers that are regular smokers of cannabis 0.99

00:19:01.160 um but other than that you know yeah there's also estrogenics in the drinking water too because

00:19:07.480 every woman that's on birth control pills that's peeing out the ee2 into the septic system they can't 1.00

00:19:15.460 clean that out with the water treatment plant so it ends up back in the water system and a lot of

00:19:20.040 people are drinking untreated water that has estrogen in it exactly i think you mentioned in

00:19:26.280 your book that it that you have to have a charcoal water filter so i've got a i think it's a five stage

00:19:31.820 reverse osmosis water filtration system am i good yep yeah reverse osmosis gets them out okay so would

00:19:39.180 like a brita filter do for people because that's a charcoal system too isn't it yep yep they have

00:19:44.140 charcoal in those and just make sure every once in a while i find a filter that doesn't have

00:19:48.060 activated charcoal and it's crazy but it does they do exist so you do want to double check but most of

00:19:53.740 them are good like that okay um so we dealt with water we dealt with foods we dealt with what about

00:19:59.940 toiletries um i did a video a couple weeks ago talking about fragrances and some guys lost their 0.97

00:20:06.300 like they lost their shit because it's like oh you say so you know you said something bad bad about my 0.97

00:20:11.740 man fragrance and it works on women and i get the girls and you don't know what you're talking 1.00

00:20:16.120 about it's like dude i i knew 20 years ago this stuff was crap can you talk about uh toiletries and 0.73

00:20:23.200 fragrances in general when it comes to putting that stuff on your body too oh yeah well i mean they

00:20:28.280 intentionally put phthalates in most of them unless it specifically says phthalate free paraben free

00:20:33.360 they're usually putting phthalates and parabens and both of those are acting like estrogen

00:20:37.560 and i've talked to chemists about this like why do you guys put it in there i mean number one it's

00:20:42.540 a lot cheaper right these are petroleum products they can cheat they can use them as cheap fillers

00:20:46.180 put like 80 to 90 percent of this cheap stuff in there and put a little bit of fragrance but the

00:20:50.460 argument they make is that it carries the fragrance further through the air problem with that is you're

00:20:55.660 putting on your skin it's acting like estrogen it's just another source of estrogen so and it's in

00:20:59.720 the shampoos too you know so yeah that stuff you got to be cautious with and get decent quality

00:21:05.020 personal care products across the board soaps you know so when somebody argues that they spend

00:21:09.340 200 on their cologne and it's got that strong fragrance it's it's got phthalates and parabens in

00:21:15.500 it a lot of the time most of the time yeah i mean unless it says pal paraben free phthalate free

00:21:21.000 it it will no they'll spend more money on the packaging with uh stainless steel and and crystallized

00:21:27.640 bottles to you know catch the eye with marketing than they will putting a quality product in the bottle

00:21:34.020 right um by the way guys um i've got dr j's book uh in my amazon store so pinned in the top comment

00:21:42.280 where it says amazon store all my recommended reads are in there i just added his book to that

00:21:46.660 uh you can also go to his site which let me just pop up the screen here because i want to show you

00:21:51.600 uh how comprehensive it is you definitely want to get onto his uh website here so this is the book by

00:22:01.360 the way well it's kind of like the book cover but um he's got his list of his top 10 items and he also

00:22:07.120 has a full list on what i use so a lot of the stuff that we're talking about like soaps toiletries

00:22:13.740 hand soaps uh shampoos laundry detergents diaper rash creams uh sunscreen so that sunscreen there is the

00:22:21.120 one that i just showed you guys here i ordered that off the site a couple weeks ago um everything 0.61

00:22:27.560 that you need to grab to replace the crap that you're putting on on your body right now can be

00:22:32.280 found on that site so definitely don't ignore that um what else should we cover because we also have a

00:22:39.580 dna analysis uh that you did on my uh off my 23 and me how much time do you have for tonight by the

00:22:45.940 way um hour and a half if necessary okay so we're at the 22 mark 22 minute mark how much time does it

00:22:54.020 take to dive into the dna thing it takes a while it depends how deep you want to go um well i don't

00:23:00.960 know how many pages it was it seemed like it was like 15 it's like 15 pages but you know there's a

00:23:06.120 lot of pages where you have good genes and there's not it's not necessary to cover a lot of those good

00:23:10.720 genes yeah i mean if you want i can just pick out some of the highlights yeah well i got it there on

00:23:15.360 the other screen so i can put it up so we can kind of dive through it um you know page by page i got a

00:23:20.660 super chat here from popski said fitness wise would you recommend to go animal based protein powder

00:23:25.460 if that's cheap and there's a reason behind it recommend to go animal based to go animal based

00:23:32.860 protein powder i guess instead of like whey which is based on milk yeah i'm a big fan of collagen um

00:23:38.680 they did a study with radioactive collagen because there's a lot of scientific debate about whether it

00:23:43.180 actually goes to your joints and your discs and your back and you think you know your stomach acid

00:23:48.860 breaks all this collagen down into individual building blocks and that just disperses into

00:23:52.840 your body right well they gave rats radioactive collagen and then they measured the radioactivity

00:23:57.720 and almost all of it was in their joints so it's phenomenal for your joints if you want to take

00:24:02.320 collagen it your body can reconstruct it but it does break down into the building blocks but then

00:24:06.640 it reconstructs into the joints so i'm a huge fan of collagen and is that from animal based uh protein

00:24:11.600 powders yeah correct um your book talked a lot about dairy products and milk specifically

00:24:17.700 can we spend some time on that because a lot of people still eat eat a lot of dairy especially

00:24:23.020 kids too right yeah and that's definitely another source of estrogen depending on where you're getting 1.00

00:24:27.820 the dairy um and in fact for you you've got some genes speaking of your genetics if you don't mind

00:24:34.440 right i mean you have some genes where you're probably sensitive to dairy it's going to cause more

00:24:38.280 inflammation in you than most people have you have you experienced that um as in like uh bloating and

00:24:44.980 bloating diarrhea i get a lot of gas man like i'm farting a lot maybe that's it oh yeah that'll do 0.55

00:24:50.440 it but then again i don't have a lot of dairy products either good well i mean if you did have

00:24:57.120 dairy would it give you like stomach issues no no i never get stomach issues with dairy but i don't

00:25:02.080 have it that often i mean if i do it's like you know around thanksgiving or christmas i'll have like

00:25:06.400 a big bowl of custard on rhubarb pie for example right sure but you're not drinking milk and stuff i mean

00:25:12.380 yeah like for with your genetics i would avoid dairy more strictly than most people because you

00:25:17.060 have two genes that are problematic there okay and a lot of people don't it's probably about 50 50 in

00:25:22.000 terms of whether or not you have bad genes for dairy so there's a lot of people out there that really need

00:25:27.220 to be careful dairy because not only is there some estrogen chemicals in dairy at least the mass

00:25:32.020 produced dairy but there's also you know sensitivity and inflammation issues in a lot of people

00:25:37.400 how like how important would it be for the average guy i mean not many guys will go and get a 23 and me

00:25:46.980 to begin with but once you get a 23 and me study done you can actually send the data over to you and

00:25:53.380 you'll do a full dna analysis on it breaking it down which i have a copy over here so we're going to do

00:25:59.060 that on tonight's show on my own um report but is this something that many people do is this something

00:26:06.040 that you recommend people do if they want to optimize their life i mean if they want to play

00:26:09.440 to win at life and live the best life possible like is it worth it oh 100 and it the problem is

00:26:15.040 if you just get the 23 and me health report they tell you like you have blue eyes and they tell you

00:26:19.360 all this they tell you where your family's from basically yeah and it's not really that important

00:26:22.980 it's not worth 100 bucks you know but the information i mean they do like 650 000 snips of dna

00:26:29.580 they have a ton of dna code it's like thousands of pages of dna code and if you actually dig into that it's

00:26:34.660 phenomenal and what i always say is basically knowledge is power so the more you know about

00:26:39.200 yourself the more powerful you can be in terms of utilizing that knowledge to you know improve

00:26:44.180 your life so i think it is super important i think it's necessary but obviously i'm biased right i mean

00:26:49.900 i have a dna go there literally tonight i have a dna consult i have them every day i do them with pro

00:26:54.200 athletes i do them with special forces i do them with you know professional bodybuilders and and

00:26:59.260 also just normal people right yeah let's let's go there in just one minute i'm just going to be

00:27:03.840 very adb here and grab this uh super chat here yard who says uh what's your take on intermittent

00:27:08.840 fasting i'm a huge fan of intermittent fasting the only problem is something like i gave a talk for

00:27:13.540 the special forces i gave a couple talks actually and i brought up intermittent fasting because again

00:27:17.200 i'm a huge fan but the whole room kind of went but you know started buzzing i had a couple hundred

00:27:22.640 people in the audience and they all started whispering to each other and i guess there's this big debate

00:27:26.560 in the special forces because intermittent fasting and training super hard all day long is not very

00:27:31.400 compatible but so it depends on your lifestyle but i in general i'm a big fan of intermittent fasting

00:27:37.160 yeah it's everything that i've seen on it supports that it's good for you it doesn't do anything bad

00:27:43.100 really so here's my 20 uh 23 and me page uh for those of you that are interested it turns out i'm 23

00:27:49.440 italian 16 british irish and 11 french german and the rest of it's uh broadly uh you know

00:27:56.540 northern african or northeastern uh europe but um some of the reservations i've seen some people

00:28:03.920 make when it comes to 23 and me is oh bro don't do that man you're gonna give them all your data

00:28:08.180 information what's your take on that right i've had this discussion with the military right um what i do

00:28:14.260 is i just use an alias when i'm you know when i buy these dna console of these kits for people

00:28:19.100 and you know that's that's generally good enough uh but it's not all your data right like it's

00:28:26.060 it's just your certain amount of genes i mean i understand it for sure i i think people should

00:28:34.180 definitely just use an alias when they buy it most people don't anyways but right i think that's a good

00:28:40.000 extra added layer of protection so um you actually do a full analysis on the data that they collect from

00:28:47.120 23 and me so you basically emailed me back the sheet and i extracted it into this um simple word

00:28:54.520 doc uh i can't remember what it's called but that but that simpler version of word and it was pages

00:28:58.960 long like it was it was lines and lines and lines and lines of code was that the 600 000 lines of code

00:29:04.760 that you were talking about correct so this is what we got out of that guys so this will be an

00:29:10.780 interesting dive here if any if any one of you are interested in uh booking dr j for this year i'm

00:29:18.320 just going to go a little bit bigger on the screen to try to fill it up so it's easier to read

00:29:22.040 can you see that okay on your screen oh yeah i see great yeah okay so yeah i just have like a cover page

00:29:30.240 with a little page here and then you kind of summarize things like alzheimer's brain performance

00:29:35.240 um you know you talk here about like do you want to walk me through this step by step or you want

00:29:40.100 to read it out like what's the easiest way for you to do this well we'll skip around a little bit but

00:29:43.340 i mean i'll give people i think the overview that's important is that i have i break it into five

00:29:47.280 categories okay it's a little bit arbitrary it's just how i've done it over the years because i you

00:29:51.680 know i've tweaked a little bit and played with this but the brain is the first section of all the genes

00:29:56.880 relating to your brain to your stress to your anxiety there's a lot of common ones that a lot of people

00:30:02.820 have things like that anything with the brain uh second category is diet uh so you know that's

00:30:10.340 where dairy would come in right and you notice that dairy is on there yep and a lot of people have

00:30:15.380 nothing in that section so anytime you see blank categories that means you've got good genes there

00:30:20.740 you want to see a lot of blank categories um and then keep going down and you'll see the next section

00:30:26.620 is vitamin hormone and detox genes which again is a little bit similar to diet but that's where

00:30:32.640 we get into testosterone genes we get into estrogen we get in vitamin d which i consider a hormone

00:30:37.220 things like that so another you can notice here that your testosterone section is blank which is

00:30:42.220 great you've got good genes for testosterone although you have a few estrogen genes that can sometimes you

00:30:48.100 know cause some so so i always have um upper high levels of estrogen on my blood panels whenever i get

00:30:57.100 them pulled for trt yeah um my doctors got me on some uh natural supplements like dim i eat broccoli

00:31:05.120 like it's going out of style yeah um and there's another one i think it's called cryosin which is in

00:31:11.780 this other supplement that he gives me but i'm still always like right at the top or even beyond the

00:31:16.080 upper levels is that because i convert testosterone uh very very quickly into estrogen or is that because

00:31:22.560 of environmental estrogens like you know sunscreens and crap i've been putting on my body 0.76

00:31:26.460 it's a little bit of both i mean scroll down a little bit more let me see the rest of the estrogen

00:31:30.220 genes like yeah i mean you don't so this you see cyp2c19 this is the liver enzyme anytime you see the

00:31:39.240 letter cyp yeah you're highlighting it that means it's in your liver it's involved in breaking something

00:31:44.420 down in this case it's involved in breaking down estrogen and that enzyme doesn't work as well as it

00:31:49.340 should so you're not breaking down estrogen as well as you should so you're aromatizing just like

00:31:52.740 everybody else but it's staying in your body longer because your liver is not breaking it down does that

00:31:57.380 make sense yeah like i'm not a fat guy so i don't have a lot of belly fat so i'm not storing a lot

00:32:02.280 there though exactly yeah it's just the liver just a breakdown issue um you also mentioned to use a sauna

00:32:08.460 uh here in this report you also mentioned in the book to use a sauna um towards the end um you said

00:32:15.040 infrared sauna is the better type yeah although heat is really important as well like sweating it

00:32:20.500 is really important they did a study with the reason i'm i'm such a big fan in terms of estrogen

00:32:25.280 and clear clearing your estrogen is because they did a skin patch study it's like a nicotine patch

00:32:31.120 without the nicotine and they had groups of people that went in saunas and groups who like didn't go

00:32:35.020 in saunas and then they took off the patch and measured for chemicals and all the people that went

00:32:39.200 in the saunas they were like full of bpa and phthalates and oxybenzones and all these estrogens we've

00:32:44.280 been talking about and the people that didn't go on saunas they didn't have any of those chemicals

00:32:47.900 on those patches so you sweat out these chemicals profusely and also what was really crazy about that

00:32:53.180 study is neither group really had any in their urine so they weren't peeing them out but you sweat

00:32:58.420 them out so it's a great way to kind of balance your estrogen if you do it at least three times a week

00:33:02.860 that was the key what what kind of sauna can get up to 180 because the one at the gym is definitely 0.58

00:33:07.820 not at 180 it's not even close to it well as long as you're sweating that's the most important thing

00:33:13.780 the problem is most of the studies are done with saunas at 180 degrees so i know the sweet spot for

00:33:19.960 those saunas is at least 10 minutes but if you're using a sauna that's 160 degrees you probably got

00:33:24.320 to go longer like 20 minutes but it's still going to have the benefits the reason i like infrared is

00:33:28.980 the heat comes into your body a lot deeper and it's all about speeding up molecular motion allowing

00:33:34.680 your cells to clear out those estrogens it's like boiling water right like when you heat up water the

00:33:39.220 molecules move faster and then a lot of them shoot out into the air as gas it's the same thing except

00:33:44.300 the infrared is heating up internally allowing those molecules to move faster get out in your blood

00:33:49.740 you start sweating them out okay so as far as estrogens go i mean you know you've got the same

00:33:55.620 thing here that i've already known with eating broccoli cauliflower brussels sprouts cabbage kale

00:34:00.140 exactly uh sauna i'll have to pick one of those up um okay so we've got that there what else did we

00:34:08.940 need to so shbgs or anything that's not worthy here yeah i mean your shbg might be a little bit

00:34:15.000 higher it's a plus it's plus minus gene but so let me back up a step and just make a note that

00:34:21.560 in every cell in our body we actually have two copies of dna except egg and sperm cells egg and sperm

00:34:27.080 cells only have one copy of dna so of course when egg and sperm cells fuse together that's where you

00:34:31.160 get the copy of dna from your mother and the copy of dna from your father and that's also where you

00:34:35.880 get these plus pluses and plus minuses because a plus plus means you got a bad version of that gene

00:34:40.700 from your mother and a bad version of the gene from your father whereas a plus minus means you

00:34:45.660 actually have a good version of a gene from one parent and a bad version from the other parent

00:34:49.220 okay so plus minus isn't this problematic okay so that's what that is yeah sometimes it's exactly

00:34:55.580 sometimes you see the this the equivalent problems with plus minus genes and sometimes you don't

00:35:00.840 they're just harder to predict okay is this something that you took a look at before you

00:35:06.960 you chose a wife you know by the way is this something

00:35:09.140 no i did not use it as a date all people use it as a 23 me as like dating site i don't know man i can

00:35:18.720 see people using this in the future like there's this tv show now apparently where this 48 year this 41

00:35:23.560 year old divorced woman is making all these uh guys jump through hoops to you know for the 1.00

00:35:29.000 privilege of impregnating her and they're doing all kinds of tests on these guys i'm just wondering

00:35:32.480 if this is something that people do oh yeah you could it's powerful tool i mean a few weeks ago i had

00:35:37.620 a woman she didn't have a single plus plus on this entire report and if i had to estimate you 0.86

00:35:43.820 probably have 20 most people have 20 a lot of people have 30 40 50 plus plus genes you know some

00:35:49.540 people just have a laundry list of bad genes yeah um but this woman first person i've ever talked to 1.00

00:35:55.400 i've talked to pro athletes that have worse genetics than this particular woman i was talking to 0.99

00:35:59.100 no plus pluses on this entire report so it does you do find people you know um you said somewhere

00:36:06.080 in this report i think it was it might have been towards the end but you said you know based on

00:36:09.820 my muscle fiber makeup to lift heavy with low reps too like you also can determine

00:36:15.760 the best way to lift weights based on your dna makeup yeah i i'm partners with ben pikulski he's

00:36:21.640 a professional bodybuilder trainer he used to compete in mr olympia and things and all the

00:36:26.100 bodybuilders that he trains he has them do their dna first with me interesting and i've done you know

00:36:31.720 some of these bodybuilders they actually have slow twitch muscles and they get a lot more benefit if

00:36:37.380 they do a lot more reps like instead of three you know how all the bodybuilders are three by ten

00:36:41.840 three seven reps yeah well if you've got these slow twitch muscles it's actually better to do

00:36:46.960 like three but it's 50s you know a set of 50 and then a set of 40 and then a set of 30 something

00:36:52.280 like that you can't do three by 50 it's too exhausting but and then like they'll talk to me

00:36:57.820 a month later and they'll say like i wish i didn't know about this 10 years ago i cannot believe the

00:37:02.000 response my muscles are having right so you know you can even you can even surprise bodybuilders

00:37:08.340 sometimes by understanding their own genetics but yeah for you if you scroll down a little bit

00:37:13.240 further that's the next section the next section is the gym section or the muscle section okay um i

00:37:19.040 wanted to ask you about thyroid here because you said supplement with iodine every day so i've got an

00:37:23.500 iodine supplement that i basically drop on my wrist and i just rub between the two wrists on the skin

00:37:28.860 like is that the best way to take that supplement i i mean i don't know about the best way but it's good

00:37:34.580 yeah i don't have an issue i honestly don't know which one's better orally or skin but as long as

00:37:40.740 you're getting some iodine the key is you've got some genes that are problematic in the thyroid section

00:37:44.980 i mean do you have any thyroid issues in your extended family and things um no what what do thyroid

00:37:51.020 issues look like like low energy or uh yeah generally just low energy no but um but i've been using this

00:38:00.160 iodine on you know my wrist on a regular basis i don't usually do it every day maybe like every

00:38:04.480 other day i'd you know throw a couple of drops on there and then i just leave it good um yeah that's

00:38:09.360 perfect i mean that's the key because and you're eating sushi as well which has a lot of iodine i

00:38:15.140 mean the problem is if you iodine is the building block for thyroid hormones so if you don't have

00:38:20.180 enough iodine with your genetics you're definitely going to have thyroid issues meaning low thyroid meaning

00:38:24.820 less energy okay there's no reason to have less energy it's also metabolism too like the body

00:38:30.020 builders like to have a really high dose of some of these thyroid hormones because they get super

00:38:34.440 lean and super ripped you know it increases your metabolism you burn fat faster problem is if you

00:38:39.740 overdose them your heart rate gets kind of screwy it's dangerous so you don't want to overdo it but

00:38:45.240 you see that foxy one gene f-o-x-e-1 this one here yep all right yeah exactly you got we got one two and

00:38:52.020 three exactly so it's like having three potholes on your sidewalk right like if you've got a sidewalk

00:38:57.120 one pothole is bad in this case you got three potholes on that same gene okay so i definitely

00:39:03.720 need iodine here to keep my system running properly exactly they discovered that gene in chernobyl the

00:39:09.920 radiation accident oh really yeah and people that have the version that you have the plus plus version

00:39:15.200 of that gene you know when they got exposed to radiation and they damaged their thyroid they did not

00:39:20.900 heal whereas people with the good version of this gene they healed up just fine that's how they

00:39:24.800 discovered this gene and of course now we've done more recent studies on what's the what's going on

00:39:30.320 what how does this gene work and it's actually related to autophagy and autophagy is just basically

00:39:36.460 cells taking out the garbage so this gene is involved in taking out the trash in your thyroid so your your

00:39:42.820 thyroid doesn't quote unquote take out the trash as well as it should and that's where intermittent 0.99

00:39:46.460 fasting is super beneficial because intermittent fasting is the best way to increase autophagy it's the

00:39:50.360 best way to tell your cells to take out the garbage how how long should i intermittent fast for is it

00:39:56.700 like um if dinner's six o'clock do i skip breakfast and have lunch is that sufficient or do i need to

00:40:02.520 go longer no that's perfect yeah okay and should that be a daily routine for me or yeah yeah okay uh

00:40:11.120 histamine intolerance supplement copper right that gene is a copper dependent gene that helps you clear

00:40:16.540 histamines okay i already eat a lot of green stuff uh beta carotene retinol is there anything else in

00:40:23.400 here that you wanted to highlight um i mean yeah we could talk all day obviously about this stuff let's

00:40:29.980 just keep going to the gym section just so people get a sense of the gym oh i have a question for you

00:40:35.120 about bilirubin because i remember i had a blood test when i was in my 20s um and the doctor called me

00:40:40.500 back in to run it again because he said my bilirubin levels were high what does that mean

00:40:44.220 yeah so you've got two genes that are plus plus that lead to higher bilirubin so it doesn't surprise

00:40:49.340 me okay bilirubin it's it's actually okay it's an antioxidant but if you get too much of it it can

00:40:55.520 lead to gallstones and then they got to remove your gallbladder and all this and it's a huge problem

00:40:59.440 okay for the rest of your life it's this giant headache um the most important thing with bilirubin

00:41:04.720 is if it gets a little bit high get out in the sun make sure you're getting in the sun because in

00:41:08.480 canada it's a little harder yeah maybe go to florida in january and just hit hit a bunch of

00:41:13.100 sunshine that breaks it up that helps keep it low if you can't get on the sun use use salicylates

00:41:18.140 like use aspirin like a baby aspirin if you take a baby aspirin every day i'll take a baby aspirin

00:41:23.200 every day now because i'm on trt anyway yeah so there you go so that helps with bilirubin okay great

00:41:28.660 um what else should we take a look at here do you want me to keep scrolling down

00:41:32.500 yeah you can keep going well it's funny you see that b12 gene a lot of people are doing b12 of course

00:41:37.340 with metformin i do uh b12 injections is that awesome okay yeah i mean you have some yin yang

00:41:44.380 here and this is a good example of that like you you have two genes that are a little bit offsetting

00:41:49.440 one of them gives you higher levels of b12 with better gut uptake of b12 and then the other one

00:41:54.060 has less gut uptake of b12 so you have two completely opposing genes which of course happens because

00:42:00.040 you know you got a little bit of italian a little bit of french a little bit of this a little bit of that

00:42:03.840 so you have these two opposing genes so in a case like that it's hard to predict how that impacts

00:42:09.440 your body just so you know but injections are always good do you feel a difference do you feel

00:42:13.940 energy um no but i do feel a sting when i inject it it's the only thing that i inject that kind of

00:42:19.560 stings a little bit i'd probably just avoid it because again you have a good gene you've got good

00:42:24.300 probably it's probably you know great levels okay um and then i found this interesting toco

00:42:32.900 tocopherinol i think yeah yeah tocopherol yeah and i listened to this podcast here that you linked

00:42:40.440 as well with this doctor which was interesting so i ordered some of that this is a very powerful

00:42:45.320 antioxidant isn't it correct yeah and a lot of people get screwed up when they have this gene that

00:42:49.900 you've got and literally if you're taking just cheap vitamin e that you get in these multivitamins

00:42:55.680 which is what i've been using forever so i should chuck that out and just start with that

00:42:59.420 stick with the good stuff the tocotrienols yep tocotrienol that's it yeah yeah the tocopherol

00:43:05.420 in your case it will literally increase crp do you know what c-reactive protein is or crp on your blood

00:43:11.120 tests no um you should check you know like at some point pull out your blood work and just check and

00:43:16.640 make sure you're below one because you know crp is a measure it's a marker for inflammation so if

00:43:23.480 your crp is high that means you're chronically inflamed you have too much inflammation and

00:43:28.520 obviously um is that in the hematology or what section so it's called crp yeah or c-reactive

00:43:33.940 protein if they spell it out uh c-reactive cortisol random it'll probably be on that here it is uh c-reactive

00:43:42.820 protein 0.44 0.44 good awesome so you're you're eating really healthy you must be exercising that's

00:43:48.880 a great number that's phenomenal so you're optimized there thankfully okay you know so that's that's

00:43:55.520 saying that that number would improve further by taking the tocotrienols tocotrienols yep tocotrienols 0.94

00:44:01.520 yeah okay yep um all right uh fructose obviously stay away from sweet shit so gym genes so muscle 1.00

00:44:09.160 types your fast switch lower rep ranges heavier weights will be more beneficial for muscle development 0.89

00:44:13.760 so are we talking about like reps around three four five and as heavy as you can go well not as heavy

00:44:19.200 as you can go but yeah three four five is good yeah okay like five sets of five reps usually would be

00:44:23.680 really good yep okay all right good to know training program variety incorporate a high degree of

00:44:29.280 variation in your workout protocols bent over rows rowing machines right um so what are you saying like

00:44:34.420 don't do the same exercise like if i'm doing chin-ups for example i mean the gym's closed so

00:44:39.760 the only thing i can do for my back right now is just chin-ups so if i've been doing chin-ups for

00:44:43.680 four months you're saying doing that is a problem for my genetic makeup or well you just don't respond

00:44:50.100 as highly so you've got that it's that dopamine receptor and it even your nervous system will respond

00:44:55.940 better with more variation sometimes you can't incorporate variation but if you can figure out some

00:45:01.300 weird way to do something different it's usually beneficial so the rows are an easy example because

00:45:06.720 you can do bent over rows you can do the rowing machine you can do dumbbell rows there's so many

00:45:10.500 different ways to row yeah pull-ups are harder and i'm not super versed on different ways to do pull-ups

00:45:17.380 okay i'm sure if you you know if you but with my genetic makeup you're saying i'll get better results by

00:45:23.820 varying the workouts for the for the different muscle groups so backs you know i could do bent over

00:45:30.460 rows i could do chin-ups i could do pull-ups i could do like different variations but you're

00:45:34.980 saying don't do the same thing every single time well like every six weeks or so switch it up yeah

00:45:39.960 okay got it um i got john in the chat over here a buddy of mine uh he says what's this test i want

00:45:45.520 to do it so to get this done john you got to go to 23andme and order that dna makeup and then you're

00:45:52.940 going to go to dr j's website let me just pull it up over here so he uses on his website so it's

00:45:58.800 here i'll just copy and paste this in the chat for you guys so you can visit it so it's in the chat

00:46:04.160 now um and then you go to dna analysis on his website and what does this cost it's usually about

00:46:10.920 six hundred dollars and if you use the coaches it's cheaper it's like half the price with my coaches

00:46:15.780 that i have okay or four somewhere in there four or three you know it depends there's different

00:46:21.360 packages uh different prices okay so there you go guys so it's on his website if you want to get

00:46:26.060 that done so the first thing you need to do is get your 23andme and then they'll tell you how to

00:46:30.340 extract the data from that to send it to them so you can get this report over here um hang on a sec

00:46:37.640 so we got joints and inflammation if you have so i've got a bad left knee and i've used bpc157 on it

00:46:44.760 uh sometimes i integrate deca into my protocol at a very low dose and that seems to help quite a bit

00:46:50.380 um so what do i need to know about joints and inflammation here based on all these

00:46:54.480 yeah scroll down a little more so i can see the other genes in this section okay yeah so you can

00:46:59.680 go back up i mean uh it looks like the main gene risk that you have is interleukin so il2ra stands

00:47:07.860 for interleukin 2 receptor and il1b stands for interleukin 1 beta so they're both interleukin have

00:47:14.520 you heard of the cytokine storm like when people get covid they get quote-unquote cytokine storm

00:47:18.700 have you heard of that no you get a bunch of inflammation with covid okay um one of those

00:47:26.660 cytokines one of the inflammatory chemicals is called interleukins there's a bunch of interleukins

00:47:31.500 interferons tnf-alpha there's a whole bunch of different inflammatory chemicals this is one of

00:47:35.700 them and your body makes too much interleukin now if you really had a problem i would get an

00:47:40.860 interleukin antibody and inject that directly and it'll be like a miracle drug but it'll cost

00:47:45.500 crazy amounts of money is that something that i can buy or do i need a script for it yeah you

00:47:50.760 definitely need a prescription and in canada it might be harder but the better way to approach it

00:47:56.220 initially at least would be to figure out things that inhibit interleukin and i have an entire

00:48:01.360 article there linked under under il1b in that paragraph yep that's il1b this one here yeah you

00:48:09.240 got it that article literally will tell you like 50 different ways to inhibit interleukin naturally

00:48:14.400 so like curcumin at least i already take that yeah yeah curcumin inhibits interleukin testosterone

00:48:20.160 inhibits interleukin yeah i got lots of that scroll down to like the towards the bottom of the page on

00:48:25.140 that website i'm a scientific advisor for this website so i like it i appreciate it okay and keep

00:48:32.060 going you'll see it in a section where it's just bullet points of supplements okay oh here we go

00:48:37.380 you're right so i'll keep going sorry diseases associated hormone supplements here we go

00:48:42.440 just a little bit you saw uh just a little bit more stevia for example so inhibiting il1b right

00:48:50.760 copper oil jasmine tea kombucha blah blah blah they've done studies with cinnamon uh you'll notice

00:48:57.560 that intermittent fasting is one of the things that inhibits interleukin so that's beneficial for

00:49:01.680 your joints okay all of these things testosterone really beneficial testosterone is probably one of the

00:49:06.780 most powerful levers if you were low on testosterone you'd even have more problems with your joints

00:49:11.160 probably yeah curcumin you'll notice that and you know a lot of right like they've done a lot of

00:49:17.240 studies on interleukin because it's such a problematic chemical it causes a lot of arthritis

00:49:21.980 in people really oh yeah and again fascinating we're getting really geeky here tonight guys this is a

00:49:28.720 little bit different right well yeah and hopefully it's simple enough for people to at least understand

00:49:32.900 that makes total sense to me you know like knowledge is power if you understand this stuff you can use

00:49:37.520 it and like i said they have patents and they have antibodies you can inject that specifically

00:49:42.260 inhibit interleukin that's the ultimate gold standard i can't wait for the patents to run out

00:49:46.920 and then they get really cheap and generic and people will start injecting interleukin antibodies in

00:49:51.560 their in their joints but for now i just go natural for the next 10 years until the patent runs out

00:49:57.740 you mentioned three grams of krill oil per day so i take um omega-3-6 um is that sufficient or is

00:50:05.460 krill oil a better source of this no it's uh it's perfectly fine omega-3 is

00:50:10.280 krill oil is a better quality in terms of the phospholipid form of dha but yeah it's good got

00:50:16.400 it okay so we got joints um anything here we should probably highlight well yeah do you have any back

00:50:21.740 disc issues yes lower back yeah many times in my life i've had it go out it's very painful so i use

00:50:27.640 an inversion table every morning and it seems to have taken care of it for the most part

00:50:30.760 yep yep because that yl1a gene on the back disc plus plus almost everybody who has that gene has

00:50:36.860 low back issues and that's why i say if you have low back pain i specifically say low back there

00:50:41.560 because that gene is particularly connected to that so supplement with turmeric it's the same

00:50:49.240 interleukin it's the same problem good okay so i'm on that i mean i haven't had much of a problem

00:50:54.960 lately i also use um i also use a juve an infrared light on my back um usually for about 10 or 15

00:51:02.840 minutes in the morning like i'll just kind of sit there and i'll just shine it on my back

00:51:05.680 yeah try it of course a lot of people use it at night and they've noticed that the or ring when

00:51:10.540 they track their sleep it improves their sleep oh really it isn't published you can't find it

00:51:14.540 published but i've seen it so many times it's it's just i've actually tried to get it published i've

00:51:18.900 tried to like put together a study i asked juve because i'm friends with the ceo i've been out to

00:51:24.000 their place in california and whatnot the headquarters yeah i've asked them to actually

00:51:27.780 jay campbell was there with me when we went out cool but i asked them to make me a dummy juve which

00:51:33.280 gives off red light but it's not infrared just so it looks exactly the same so i can use it as a

00:51:37.720 control and basically give people at mayo clinic i can give them the fake juve light and then give

00:51:42.820 the real juve light and only i know who's getting real who's getting fake and then track their sleep

00:51:47.640 cycles and see how much deep sleep and how much REM sleep they're getting and basically set up a

00:51:51.260 scientific experiment to actually prove this because i'm super convinced it improves people's

00:51:55.200 sleep because i've seen it over and over so you use it right before bed like within an hour of going

00:52:00.060 to bed do you need to shine it on any body part in particular or is it just get it on your skin

00:52:04.240 yep at least 10 minutes yeah probably 10 minutes yeah okay um so we talked about the juve light

00:52:11.600 by the way i initially got that because ben greenfield said to shine it on your nutsack

00:52:17.040 right yeah because it's supposed to increase testosterone um you know since i switched over

00:52:23.920 to trt i'm not i'm not so concerned with shining my nutsack anymore but i use it on uh you know my

00:52:28.440 knee joint my back for inflammation and it seems to help with that too so they did a study on alzheimer's

00:52:35.080 with mice they have these mice that get plaques in their brain so they call them an alzheimer's model

00:52:39.700 and they this is a hilarious study because they literally they shined the equivalent of a juve light

00:52:45.100 they had infrared and they had a controlled group of mice where they did not give them any infrared

00:52:49.560 and of course all those mice get crazy alzheimer's and then they had a group of mice where they gave

00:52:53.580 them infrared and it was just massive the reduction and plaques in their brain and alzheimer's and all

00:52:58.940 that so it's super good for the brain but what was the funniest part about this study they actually

00:53:03.080 put aluminum foil around the mice's heads in a third group and they shined infrared on them so they

00:53:08.920 didn't get any infrared on their skull but they had it on the rest of their body and it was like it was

00:53:13.560 improved but it wasn't as good as when they actually had it on their skull and they've done

00:53:17.640 cadaver studies with infrared and it goes three inches through your skull so infrared you can

00:53:22.200 literally use it to protect against alzheimer's by putting it directly on your head and getting it

00:53:26.680 into your brain so that's another side benefit if you have a lot of alzheimer's risk in your family

00:53:31.480 with the genetics interesting okay all right so we hit uh back um avoid sugar fructose forms quickly

00:53:39.500 spike your blood sugar fructose yeah i mean a lot of people get gout and then they go to the doctor

00:53:44.560 and the doctor tells them stop eating meat which sometimes is effective but most of the time it's

00:53:50.200 a fructose transporter like that slc gene that you were just on yeah and if they eat a bunch of

00:53:56.700 fructose like high fructose corn syrup like soda even a lot of fruits have a lot of fructose of course

00:54:02.100 and they spike their blood fructose then they get uric acid in their joints that forms crystals it's painful

00:54:07.260 it's gout and all the doctors are focused on is meat interesting um so for sleep genes um

00:54:14.240 it says here your body's more optimized when you go to sleep later and wake up later right so when i was

00:54:20.920 young younger let's say like even even in my 20s i would need an alarm to get my ass out of bed so i 0.52

00:54:27.040 could go to work and even then i would set the alarm to like eight i just like wake up at eight o'clock

00:54:33.300 now i'm up at at like the crack of dawn like sometimes somewhere between five and six a.m normally

00:54:38.600 yep um should i be trying to train my body to go to sleep later and wake up later again or

00:54:45.180 like what's your recommendation based on this over here yeah based on your genetics i would say yes but

00:54:51.040 you can trick your brain into thinking that it's later by just having you know you can use blue

00:54:55.260 blocker glasses and things like that to block light earlier so i've got i've got a coating on these

00:55:00.940 glasses that blocks blue light so does this affect me during the day like should i wear a different

00:55:06.820 set of glasses that doesn't block blue light during the day when the sun's up so it doesn't mess with

00:55:11.680 my circadian rhythm yeah yeah i think so i mean scroll to the bottom of this page i just want to see

00:55:16.460 if you have any blue light sensitivity yes you're pretty good with blue light some people have blue

00:55:20.540 light sensitivity genes where they're genetically disposed to being hypersensitive to blue light and it

00:55:25.700 really screws up their sleep cycles and things like that uh but in your case at least you don't

00:55:30.800 have those genes so you could kind of go either way with that okay okay and that's pretty much the

00:55:36.940 full report i mean obviously you could spend a hell of a lot more time on this with every line um but

00:55:42.320 that gives you guys an idea of you know the reality of the differences between people um we're not you

00:55:50.340 know we're not all the same as much as uh society likes to try to level the playing field and make it seem

00:55:55.320 like everybody's the same thing these days um cool cool so you guys have the link there if you want

00:56:02.120 to get more information on how to get dr j to analyze your dna again i dropped the links in the

00:56:08.740 chat you're gonna have to go to 23andme buy that report send it over to him and then you're gonna have

00:56:13.180 to pay them for the full analysis on that um i mean if you're serious about playing a win at life

00:56:18.440 and you want to live a fully optimized life as best as you can i'd recommend it i mean there's some

00:56:23.420 interesting things here that came out of it for me like i've like i've switched my vitamin e

00:56:27.740 supplementation there's quite a few actually if i'm being honest it's probably at least five or six

00:56:31.360 i even picked up this aura ring based on your recommendation to try to track the sleep yep that's

00:56:36.260 the best thing i mean you know a lot of people they struggle with deep sleep and you don't really feel

00:56:40.380 that different if you if you get like 15 totally struggle with deep sleep yep yeah and i've noticed

00:56:46.120 that like a slight change i mean i've even kind of messed around but if you sleep in you'll get loads

00:56:50.880 of deep sleep i bet you i can't i can't sleep in though like i'm always up at five six o'clock in

00:56:55.820 the morning for some reason um you trained your body yeah anyway but um you know i found it interesting

00:57:02.740 because if i supplement with different things like magnesium gaba um passion passion flower i think is

00:57:09.900 one of them uh valerian root like i've kind of tweaked with a couple of different versions of different

00:57:15.020 herbs and i've noticed on days when i take the supplements the sleep is far better than the days

00:57:21.360 that i don't take them um so it's an interesting little device it's kind of useless for working out

00:57:26.560 i mean you can't grab onto heavy bars and and pick up weights and throw them around but for everything

00:57:30.960 else you can wear it 247 basically oh yeah if you have sleep problems you got to get the aura ring

00:57:35.840 when i gave my talk for the special forces my first talk for them uh they showed me some research

00:57:40.840 they've done with all the different sleep trackers so they tested the garmin vivo smart the apple watch

00:57:45.520 the aura ring or it was by far the best really okay cool they don't have much of course but i can

00:57:51.980 just and the other cool thing about is i'm really geeky about um like signals like you know bluetooth

00:57:57.440 and wi-fi so you can put this in airplane mode all the time so it just collects the data

00:58:01.020 so it's not sending signals anything when you drop it in the charging thing then it just you know

00:58:06.020 switches onto bluetooth connects your phone downloads the data and you put it back in airplane mode and wear it

00:58:10.060 again so um you know there's no risk from that perspective um what are your what are your

00:58:16.300 thoughts because you don't mention it in the book but things like you know wi-fi cellular tower bluetooth

00:58:20.800 um like i've gone to the point that i put my wi-fi time sorry i put my wi-fi router on a timer so it's

00:58:27.720 off at night um i've been to ben's house and he was describing how his entire house is like there's no

00:58:33.760 wi-fi in it and all the rj45 in the wall is fully shielded and there's like a master switch in his

00:58:39.440 bedroom he turns off so there's no electricity in the bedroom whatsoever like how how important is

00:58:44.640 that i mean that's kind of extreme but how important is that in general to like not keep

00:58:48.240 your cell phone you know keep your cell phone in your pockets you know for example yeah i certainly

00:58:53.200 am more careful with my cell phone but i'm not that extreme i think it's super important if you've

00:58:58.780 got those genes that give you the sensitivity i mean there's people with genetic issues and they

00:59:03.060 notice when the router is on they sleep poor all this kind of thing it's actually pretty uncommon

00:59:07.360 to have that extreme of a genetic issue so i i put my router on a timer downstairs and that's about

00:59:13.340 as far as i go i don't get too crazy on it but i but and and it i all honestly though i haven't done

00:59:19.180 a ton of research on it so i'm not really the guy to talk to and the other aspect is um it doesn't act

00:59:24.980 like estrogen either so it's really out of my wheel like the chemicals i talk about because they're

00:59:29.180 directly acting like estrogen in your body you know it's it's a more specific biochemical thing

00:59:35.260 whereas these signals disrupt a lot of hormones and it's it's more mitochondria based so it's it's

00:59:41.420 an issue it varies based on genetics and it's you know and greenfield is of course super extreme

00:59:47.620 yeah let me uh let me um grab a couple of these super chats here and questions thoughts on

00:59:54.580 chiropractors is maintenance to keep the spinal column straight and spinal column overall care so

00:59:58.980 what are your thoughts on on chiropractors yeah i mean i've tried a few different techniques like

01:00:04.520 the blair technique and this and that i've not had great luck to be honest testosterone was the

01:00:09.740 best thing for my back because i have that same low back gene that you have and it's been nothing

01:00:13.960 but problems when i was 12 years old i i herniated or i bulged my disc i was lifting my dad's boat onto

01:00:19.660 the trailer which was way too heavy for me and i threw out my back where i was like bedridden

01:00:23.600 literally since then i've had issues but when i got on i i got it i threw out my back and got a

01:00:29.600 prescription for testosterone specifically because i knew it was going to inhibit interleukin and it was like

01:00:34.020 a switch it was probably three days later i was back in the gym i was perfectly fine

01:00:38.520 and usually like a month for me to heal yeah so i put testosterone right on my back i was putting

01:00:44.040 the cream right in there and it was phenomenal so i'm a bigger fan of that personally but i'm not

01:00:50.280 opposed to using chiropractor if it works it works test it out right sometimes you just got to try

01:00:54.140 different things got another one here from colin he said will led sunlight therapy light supplements

01:01:00.720 supplement during winter in canada will led sunlight i guess he means those um the seasonal

01:01:08.020 effective disorder lights the satellites yeah i'm not a big fan of the led but i have one of the 500

01:01:13.500 uvb ones uh so that's what you got to do if you really have seasonal effective honestly it's either

01:01:19.640 go to florida or you got to get one of those actual uv lights or you can use a tanning bed to be

01:01:24.900 honest just do it for five minutes don't do it too long um that's the way to go yeah do you get

01:01:30.680 vitamin d from those tanning beds and those uh lights oh yeah for sure you do okay and one i have

01:01:35.980 is just uvb it has no uva so you don't even get tan from it but okay so you get the effect of the

01:01:42.300 vitamin d and but without the damage then yeah without the sunburn okay because i'm right i'll burn

01:01:49.920 super easy so yeah and i'm not interested in getting tanned because it just goes away the next

01:01:54.700 day anyway um and you've got a light linked in your what i recommend you use on your website too

01:02:01.800 so i've already mentioned that before so the link's there uh let me see if i mentioned anything else

01:02:06.240 here um there's one here that i wanted to hit from andrew he said how good are supplements vitamins

01:02:11.140 uh for in general beyond expiration date so do they turn toxic they're not going to turn toxic

01:02:17.440 or do they degrade in potency or anything like that oh yeah they definitely can it depends on

01:02:21.520 the supplement though some some molecules are super robust and super stable and then some molecules

01:02:26.720 are you know like fish oil and things if it's expired i wouldn't use it um so some molecules are a lot

01:02:33.700 more prone to breaking down so it's a little bit of a nuanced perspective there gotcha so um if somebody

01:02:41.340 had lower back problems and they've got that gene going on trt would arguably fix it yeah oh yeah

01:02:49.800 yeah particularly if your testosterone is low i mean i juice up pretty high when i like i say if i throw

01:02:56.800 my back i jump right on it now and and i shoot way up high i kind of overdose a little bit just

01:03:02.360 temporarily just to get out of that and then i can get off of it okay because my testosterone

01:03:06.720 generally is about 650 so i'm pretty good it's not bad okay it's about 500 which i like to see

01:03:12.660 i like to see everybody above 500 yeah and i've seen guys like i've i've got this community i see guys

01:03:18.660 and they're sometimes post their uh um blood labs and there's even guys in their 20s that have like

01:03:24.900 low low three sometimes even the 200s it's you know it's ridiculous that guys that age have got such

01:03:32.920 low testosterone but i mean one of the things that you said early on in the book was um based on

01:03:40.280 skeletal records from excavation sites we know that testosterone levels are about half today what they

01:03:45.560 were how long like a thousand years ago 500 years ago oh yeah thousands of years ago yeah i mean

01:03:51.620 they've been steadily declining so i think it it has to do with the grains and the introduction of grains

01:03:56.600 as opposed to the animal products but who knows exactly well we switched to agriculture about 10 000

01:04:00.960 years ago right so was it prior to 10 000 years that we had higher testosterone levels or exactly yeah

01:04:05.980 way back then the bone structure was super masculine so more like chisel jaw line sort of thing like is

01:04:12.420 that what we're talking about when we're talking about the skeletal okay yep yep and but the crazy

01:04:17.120 thing about it is in the last 50 years it's just tanked you know so it's kind of been on the steady

01:04:22.120 decline steady steady steady thousand and then the last 50 years just plummets and it's been like

01:04:27.420 it i think the average male in the 1980s there's a study called the massachusetts aging study the

01:04:33.880 average male in the 80s was about 500 and then the 90s there were about 400 in the 2000s about 300

01:04:39.680 that's the average so it's dropping basically you know like it's like it's like when kids can't shoot

01:04:46.920 hoops or dunk the ball they just lower the net for them and that's what the government keeps doing is

01:04:51.780 they just keep lowering the upper levels right because we don't seem to hit them and that's exactly and

01:04:56.180 they've done that with vitamin d they've even done they're trying to do it right now with puberty

01:04:59.580 they're trying to lower the normal range for puberty because people are girls in particular

01:05:04.140 are going into puberty so much younger because of these estrogen chemicals do you know what the

01:05:08.300 youngest age a girl has given birth at no idea probably nine nine yeah nine you're like can you

01:05:16.060 believe that it's insane yeah it's nuts with these chemicals though yeah because that's what they're

01:05:21.720 trying to lower the age of they're trying to lower the normal range of puberty at age nine so that's

01:05:26.180 age nine but it's absurd it's it's not really solving them it's like the breast cancer right

01:05:29.740 like passing out pink ribbons is not going to solve breast cancer dressing up football players 0.98

01:05:34.580 like newborn baby girls is not going to solve breast cancer getting these estrogen chemicals out of your 1.00

01:05:39.660 system is going to solve breast cancer but nobody wants to talk about that because they're impeding

01:05:43.680 these giant corporations that make a ton of money on these chemicals yeah it's it's really it's really

01:05:50.960 incumbent on on you guys yourself to go and do the work and find the answers to these questions and

01:05:56.660 look for bright people that are actually telling these truths in these stories you even have a

01:06:02.320 youtube channel like i don't know if you do broadcasts on these elements or is it mostly on dna type of

01:06:07.180 analysis no both yeah yeah okay so all that's on his website so go visit it and check it out again

01:06:13.220 guys um i don't want to keep you too long because i know that you have another console coming up

01:06:17.660 and i think you've given more than enough value to these guys tonight and you certainly helped me

01:06:21.960 to the 10th degree so um his book is linked in my amazon store below i've mentioned the website if

01:06:28.140 you want to have your dna analyzed you'll have to buy a 23andme send it over to him and then they'll

01:06:34.360 do a consult with you on that it's just one-on-one for like an hour and a half and you dive deep into

01:06:39.080 it yep 100 okay um and real real quick so let's just go through the the top 10 here because i've got

01:06:47.180 your website up still um and you got your top 10 list of daily estrogens from estro generation that

01:06:53.560 people want to avoid yeah correct yeah so if you can walk them through the top 10 here right the

01:06:59.940 plant estrogens which includes soy and flax those are the big ones mycoestrogen mold estrogen you find

01:07:05.140 a lot of grains that have mold and things like that mold secretes in estrogen sometimes people have

01:07:10.380 mold behind their walls that sort of thing it's really problematic atrazine is a herbicide that acts

01:07:15.320 like estrogen so people really it's illegal in europe by the way completely illegal because it's

01:07:20.360 so problematic and then in the united states is the second most used herbicide so that would be used

01:07:25.320 on like all plant matter corn most of the grains no just the grains oh grain so like we okay so like

01:07:33.040 bread grain type products then okay you definitely want to get those organic in america if you're over

01:07:38.740 in europe it's fine you get whatever but okay yeah and then the triclosan and the alkylphenols you

01:07:43.680 kind of have to read the book but you know it's it's related to soaps a lot of the cheap soaps and

01:07:48.120 things have those uh the sunscreen estrogens number five we've talked about those starting out today

01:07:53.880 red number 40 like the red food dyes act like yeah so if you're drinking like those red sports drinks

01:08:00.200 you're basically cramming estrogen in your body exactly and it's super funny because all these athletes

01:08:06.060 sponsored you know by these companies and then parabens of course we talked about the fragrance

01:08:10.340 estrogens the plastic estrogens would include it would be bpa and phthalates and then of course

01:08:15.100 birth control is an estrogen is designed as an estrogen all right guys there you have it um let

01:08:21.520 me just remove that real quick we'll go back here uh dr anthony jay thank you for your time my brother

01:08:27.180 thanks richard appreciate it it's great it's been enlightening thanks

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Playing to Win - March 02, 2022

021 - How Estrogenics Make You Fat, Sick & Infertile w⧸ Dr. Anthony Jay

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