Playing to Win - 035

00:00:00.000 all right we're live what's up brothers i'm on today with uh mma legend john fitch what's up

00:00:06.980 brother nothing much yeah thursday is my off day with the kids so i get a lot of stuff done around

00:00:13.340 the house nice yeah some work stuff done so yeah in the work mode so we got a we got a 60 to 90

00:00:21.740 minute session we're gonna dive into here with john i've um i don't know when's the last time

00:00:25.360 we did something one-on-one i think it was we did that video when we were on before the train wreck

00:00:29.400 yeah the single mothers there was that one clip that we got out of that that blew up on my channel

00:00:35.280 my editor turned it into a short and it got like two and a half million views in like a month it was

00:00:39.560 ridiculous she had yeah that's that's an extremely good example of like solipsism solipsism 101 right

00:00:47.560 can't see past your own nose even when you have a son yourself right she was arguing until she was

00:00:52.140 blue in the face until you turn around on her son situation and she's like oh well okay maybe there's

00:00:59.020 a different set of rules when i have to consider that yeah uh if you guys want to see that that's

00:01:03.100 on my channel just short just sort by popularity and it'll come right up at the top um before we

00:01:07.960 get started just a little housekeeping i always try to grab this youtube link and drop it so if you're

00:01:12.320 watching on like twitter or facebook or somewhere else just do me a solid and click that come over

00:01:17.060 to facebook hit the like button uh just helps out with the algorithms as you guys are piling in

00:01:22.000 getting your notifications so john i have to tell you the audiences are watching i have never been a

00:01:28.740 big fan of um ufc mma even boxing like i watched a few boxing rounds like i watched the uh i mean how

00:01:36.660 many boxing fights have i watched maybe the holy field uh tyson fight you know where he got his ear

00:01:41.380 bitten off sort of thing that that's probably the extent but i like to participate in it personally just

00:01:47.300 as a you know just from the approach of at least being competent and having the skills plus the

00:01:53.800 cardio drills are some of the hardest you know you can do in any profession i think anyway cardio that

00:01:59.540 comes along with fighting you know yeah um how did you get into fighting like how did you fall into

00:02:05.240 so i you know i'm 43 now so i grew up in the age uh of you know pro wrestling you know hulk hogan

00:02:13.400 junkyard dog and kyle volkov whatever you know i think those guys yeah because you were a wrestler

00:02:19.940 first right yeah yeah i started wrestling in the fourth grade but like i i started getting the

00:02:24.900 the you know pro wrestling thing earlier and then when i started to actually wrestle in the fourth

00:02:30.780 grade like i realized that it was fake and i stopped watching pro wrestling um but like i also

00:02:36.060 it was a time you know when there was still plenty of free boxing and ali and stuff like that on

00:02:41.640 on abc and wild world of sports things like that howard cosell so i watched a lot of boxing and stuff

00:02:49.020 when i was younger but my mom would never let me get involved in boxing i was able to get into

00:02:55.140 wrestling because i had uh some some relatives and friends who uh friends of the family who were

00:03:01.200 involved and where i was going and uh that kind of smoothed things over with that but yeah um i i was

00:03:10.220 like when you found out like the wwf was fake was that like finding out santa claus wasn't real

00:03:14.340 i had i cut the dicks off all my uh low rubber wrestlers i was so like this is fake the other

00:03:21.860 actors i was done with it like yeah it wasn't like kind of upset i was like i was betrayed it feels

00:03:28.260 like the weird thing is is that the highest paid i think hollywood actor is the rock and he got it

00:03:33.520 you know like he got there by being a wrestler you know an actor yeah and i don't have you know

00:03:38.380 i don't have any problem with it but as a child it was to me it was like devastating i really respected

00:03:44.280 these guys they were tough guys they were they were the best fighters out there and then it was

00:03:48.600 all fake and then i was kind of like you lied to me so i've been a very skeptical person about a lot

00:03:54.000 of stuff my whole life since then i think but yeah um but i always wanted to play professional

00:03:59.780 sports i thought football was my gonna be my thing and so you know wrestling was an outlet that i

00:04:05.760 really enjoyed uh that kept me in the weight room and kept me active in the off season for football

00:04:11.840 so it wasn't like my mindset to like continue wrestling you know down the road years later still

00:04:21.580 doing wrestling shit like what did you want to be when you're growing up did you want to be a

00:04:25.300 fighter or a wrestler football okay yeah i want to be a professional athlete that was the biggest

00:04:30.440 thing was professional athlete but football seemed like that was the easy way easy way in for some

00:04:35.640 reason uh but like my senior year i wasn't big enough wasn't fast enough wasn't having anybody call

00:04:41.380 uh you know for me to play at a d1 school so i decided i might as well go and wrestle because i

00:04:47.700 still love wrestling and i thought you know it was better to walk onto a wrestling program and

00:04:54.660 that was d1 and and uh you know be a letterman be a all-american uh you know be national champion

00:05:01.860 or i could walk onto the football team in a d1 school and maybe play kickoff my senior year

00:05:07.400 and the competitive the competitive side of me wanted to compete so i decided to go with wrestling

00:05:14.000 and then how'd you get into like competitive fights where you got paid for your time

00:05:19.840 that was uh the kind of accident as i went to purdue to wrestle my assistant one of my assistants was

00:05:29.320 tom erickson and he was currently fighting he was fighting over in japan tom was number like two on the

00:05:36.200 olympic ladder for freestyle wrestling at heavyweight for like 13 years under bruce bomb gardner

00:05:40.640 it's a huge man he's like 300 pounds 315 walking around you know in decent shape

00:05:46.340 and uh he just brought guys around me who were fighting like mark coleman and um uh man

00:05:56.600 ian freeman those guys uh gary goodrich those guys would come into town at purdue and then work

00:06:01.960 with tom a little bit so i would get some working with these guys and i think it was

00:06:05.560 a combination of work with those guys and listening to their stories about life and how they were

00:06:10.080 living and like they're going to you know stories about uh hookers and brazil and mafia people and

00:06:17.440 japan and just the stories were just uh seemed a lot of fun it seemed a lot more fun than if i was a

00:06:23.860 teacher in indiana you know in a wrestling class so that kind of got me interested in you know

00:06:30.580 listening to the money that they were making and that was the time they started putting more weight

00:06:34.040 classes into the sport and by the time i got to my senior year of wrestling and uh at school i was

00:06:41.420 you know doing student teaching and with the student teaching i was like this this isn't for me i don't

00:06:46.700 want to i don't want to teach these people's you know uh curriculums i don't want to be told what to

00:06:52.500 do so i decided you know i'll do the fight thing and uh along with the fight thing you know i can learn

00:07:00.400 jujitsu and stuff and i get enough owning my own gym and then i don't have to listen to somebody

00:07:04.160 else's curriculum or whatever so i followed the fight path with the idea that you know i can i can

00:07:09.860 get around teaching at schools and teach at my own school you know in that path and then 2005 is when

00:07:17.340 ultimate fighter came on on tv and and things just blew up yeah did you did you see that coming like

00:07:24.460 did you see what dana white built coming or was it just like a shock to everybody that was

00:07:28.140 working no i knew it was gonna be big i knew it was gonna be big because i mean like wrestling was

00:07:32.840 big boxing was big nobody really done anything like that with an octagon and like you know you kind

00:07:37.760 of do whatever you want like if you look back to history of prize fighting like mixed style fights

00:07:45.280 have always been around hundreds of years old they they were able to um corner a market and

00:07:53.300 monopolize the market and turn it into like oh we repackaged this brand new thing did a very good

00:07:57.880 job at that but the sport was already going on in brazil it was big in japan like there was

00:08:05.300 you know it's fighting it's fighting it's popular thing so i always knew it was going to be on somewhat

00:08:12.280 level big you know um but i had no idea that it was going to be eventually kind of monopolized the

00:08:19.720 way it has you know when ufc around 2010 they ended up buying up all the other promotions all

00:08:25.480 the top talent all the top belts they they end up sealing up 90 of the market in in revenue and in

00:08:32.460 uh depth as far as fighters in each weight class and um again guys like i'm new to ufc fighting it's

00:08:41.480 not something that i have watched much of i mean i've watched some of john's fights you know prior to

00:08:45.980 this cast to kind of like catch up on it all so i get a little bit of an idea but what are the

00:08:51.260 limitations when you're in like ufc or you know in the octagon type of arena like is there things

00:08:58.980 that you can't do uh is it wide open it's martial arts you um it's very limited rule set so you can

00:09:07.540 you can fight on the ground there's takedowns there's there's kicks there's elbows there's knees

00:09:12.640 once you're on the ground though there's no there's no knees to the head on the ground

00:09:16.520 um there's one other grounded opponent there's no there's no soccer kick so if a guy's down on the

00:09:22.260 ground you can't kick him in the head there is a organization one fc that was allowing that pride

00:09:27.280 used to allow soccer kicks i think i think they should bring soccer kicks and these the head back

00:09:31.280 it just changes the game a little bit more but um yeah most strikings are allowed no head

00:09:38.140 butts no groin strikes you're not allowed to poke people in the eyes or uh or small joint

00:09:42.840 manipulations aren't allowed so you're not gonna get finger locks hands are extremely gloved up you

00:09:50.400 can't do wrist locks but you're never gonna get one because there's gloves and wraps all around the

00:09:54.540 wrist so it's usually elbows and shoulders if you don't want did you always feel like you were

00:10:00.460 playing to win when you were fighting i mean you know i was telling you before we launched that i

00:10:03.940 i watched the fight with you you with gsp and i mean if you could define eye of the tiger like you

00:10:10.540 know kind of like a plane to win sort of mindset i mean you had the look on your face you know during

00:10:15.060 that fight even after you got like you know the first round was not a good round for you like you

00:10:19.740 got your ass through a bad leg kick yeah i ate a big right hand and i think that that uh right hand

00:10:26.060 broke my orbital yeah what does that mean when you say like it broke your orbital your orbital is a

00:10:32.040 bone in your face oh okay so like i'm pretty sure i just broke a bone in my face okay okay so i mean

00:10:38.860 like you were feeling it the rest of the fight in it i was seeing double really i was probably because

00:10:43.400 of the orbital break because it throws things off and swelling what's the what's the worst thing

00:10:49.220 that's happened to you physically from fighting uh broken heart really i mean when uh man you know

00:10:59.360 losing to gsp was a one thing but when i when i drew with bj penn i kind of knew what that meant

00:11:05.180 and uh it was like because of the way that they worked where their system works like i had you know

00:11:11.420 i lost to gsp and i won five more fights and i was supposed to get a title shot but i wasn't playing

00:11:15.760 ball and i wasn't being a good boy i would say giving a title shot i took it away and they made me fight

00:11:20.540 bj and um yeah with with me getting that draw it was a chance for them to start pushing me aside and

00:11:28.540 and never give me another title shot again so that after that fight i think yeah i kind of my heart was

00:11:33.960 kind of broken what do you mean by not not being like a good little boy um well because they're not a

00:11:42.360 they're not a this this throws people off but mma i hear the fights are real but it's not a sport

00:11:49.500 does not function to operate as a sport there there are mechanics around a sport that happen um

00:11:57.240 where there's no restrictions around you know uh elevation of sport you know you win you get a

00:12:03.460 ranking you move up that's just the way it is like nobody's outside presence can can take that away

00:12:08.600 uh in in what ufc does it's a production it's like wwe they are the ones who give the rankings

00:12:16.020 they're the one who gives the belt they decide everything it doesn't matter what your merit is

00:12:21.340 within the sport of winning or losing they just get to cast who goes where so it's like a um i mean

00:12:28.960 it's about the money it's about getting eyeballs on the show and whatever they think is there's no

00:12:32.920 leverage for the fighter because there's nowhere else to go you're stuck in this never-ending

00:12:36.460 contract usually and you can't go to another promoter and the promoters don't even compete

00:12:41.140 with each other uh in boxing you would have the option of potentially you know going to a different

00:12:47.400 promoter and then you'd still have option to fight for it uh a sanctioned belt you know because they

00:12:53.240 have they have um sanctioned bodies that control belts in boxing it's like the promoter doesn't control

00:12:59.420 the belt it's kind of like the nfl the nfl is in charge of um rankings and uh matchups and the

00:13:08.460 and the title the trophy but like no one team is like the dallas cowboys they don't get they don't

00:13:14.320 control the belt they don't control the the nfl title they don't control whether or not oh you know

00:13:20.200 what we're gonna make more money with this team in the final so we're gonna let our cowboys play

00:13:25.020 um you said that you had a broken heart you know as a result of all that like is it a broken heart

00:13:31.480 in the same sort of way like a girl broke your heart or is it in a way kind of a worse because it

00:13:36.780 was uh um it was like you know you're playing to win you know you're like i have a tiger like you put

00:13:42.900 everything of your life into this this out outcome you know and that was the ufc title and you feel

00:13:50.080 them like nope you're just never gonna get that shot again we don't we just don't like you

00:13:54.120 you start to you know that that's a heartbreak like there's no way to get to where you want to be

00:14:01.160 i got the impression watching some of the videos that i came across on youtube that you kind of had

00:14:07.480 an acrimonious relationship with dana white and the ufc yeah i always knew that it was not right like

00:14:16.640 think about like when gsp got his title shot the matthews he he got on his knees and he begged

00:14:22.880 he begged the promoter to let him please have a title shot what what sport have you ever heard of

00:14:29.900 where the best player begs to to play for the title does tom brady get on his knees and ask the

00:14:38.780 nfl commissioner can you please allow me to participate in this game for the for the best team

00:14:44.720 no he earns it he earned it through winning and accomplishments but that's not that's not how

00:14:52.100 it works and you can see that over and over and over again uh even even with the you know the uh

00:14:58.940 the talks right now with john jones wanting more money for his fight uh to fight nagal at heavyweight

00:15:05.840 he has every right to ask for more but he's making the mistake of asking for a dollar sign instead of

00:15:11.160 percentage he needs to be asking for a cut of what the the revenue is not oh i want eight million

00:15:17.280 dollars he should be asking for a percent give me 55 percent of the revenue how much does a does a top

00:15:23.680 rank fighter make these days um well like the guy that has a title you know and then plus like any kind

00:15:31.120 of sponsorships or endorsements from if you win the belt and then you defend the belt okay so you have to

00:15:37.600 two times so if you find the belt you get pay-per-view points once you get pay-per-view

00:15:42.720 points then then you can you start making millions per fight just about um but these guys are making

00:15:49.440 anywhere from one million to i guess eight million is somewhere in the uh in the pay with all all money

00:15:56.240 disclosed non-disclosed bonus like on an annual basis or no i would be for one fight that's very oh for

00:16:02.980 one fight that's very minimal for those guys that do that shit you know you're talking less than 10

00:16:08.360 guys ever okay right where where the uh and and if you look at those numbers you think it's a lot but

00:16:16.120 the um the output that ufc is paying they're paying like 19 percent of the revenues out to the

00:16:23.140 fighters okay okay okay and that's just event revenues that's not even the other half of the

00:16:31.420 stuff they're doing with with uh merchandising and you fought up until your early 40s so is that

00:16:37.100 typical like for a lifespan for a fighter or is that a little bit longer than what you'd want to go

00:16:41.840 normally way longer i for ufc um it's actually like less than a year for uh average career

00:16:52.000 and how old were you when you started it i started fighting at 25 24 that's pretty long then i mean

00:16:58.620 that was that was over 15 years right i fought 18 years yeah and i've seen joe rogan talk about how

00:17:05.160 he didn't get into professional fighting because of you know watching a lot of guys with like damage to

00:17:10.960 their body and their brain and you know like permanent kind of shit like is it is it really

00:17:14.820 that that bad happens a lot it's one of the reasons why i've uh taken up a lot in fighting

00:17:21.320 you know trying to organize fighters and mixed martial arts fighter association like we have gone i've

00:17:27.080 gone paid out of pocket to um to the capital and uh and and uh gotten people to sign up for our bill

00:17:35.580 to get the alia expand expanded to uh all combat sport athletes not just not just uh boxers um you

00:17:43.720 know uh the the class action lawsuit we've got going with the ufc too like all that stuff's kind of all

00:17:50.260 motivated because i've seen guys you know give their heart and soul and then they're they're kind

00:17:54.460 of brain damaged and they can't they can't remember shit now and they got bad hips and they they've got

00:17:59.620 nothing and they can't even they can't even profit off of the fights they had a long time ago ufc still

00:18:06.780 has people pay for their their fight pass and you can still watch mark coleman fights

00:18:11.980 like they still make money off of those fights so but the fighter doesn't get any of that no

00:18:16.980 wow um let me grab a few of these super chats just so i don't lose them here so we got uh chris said

00:18:24.260 wonder if john could talk a bit about the reebok deal and how if all it screwed him and other fighters

00:18:28.740 out of sponsorship money what does that mean yeah man so fighters used to be able to pick up any

00:18:36.080 sponsor they wanted to for a fight kind of like a nascar okay so you'd have you know logos all over

00:18:42.320 you'd have a backdrop banner behind us that would have logos on it too so when they're being announced

00:18:46.980 you make a little side money uh you know the reebok deal was the cherry on top because it it started

00:18:55.020 long before they got to the reebok deal so back in 2008 2009 you know anybody could sponsor you for

00:19:03.660 a fight you'd have to get approved uh you know it was no like alcohol tobacco or gambling was allowed

00:19:09.880 but like most ever anything else so mom and mom and pop shop from your local t-shirt printing place or

00:19:16.400 hardware store whatever they could pay you three to five thousand dollars just to put a logo on

00:19:21.040 your short because that's that's a cool thing to do uh so there it was you know easy to make anywhere

00:19:27.460 from five to fifty grand on your shorts just your shorts especially if you were on a main of main car

00:19:33.760 to ufc because everybody saw that after a while ufc uh started taxing sponsors though so or to sponsor

00:19:43.200 a fighter you had to pay the ufc fifty to a hundred thousand dollars first so the sponsor would have to

00:19:49.960 pay the usc first to gain access to the fighters yes so if you're a mom and pop shop who only has

00:19:56.200 five to twenty five thousand dollar budget a year on advertising like you're not even capable of

00:20:02.880 sponsoring fighters anymore so that wiped out a ton of possible sponsors for a long time and then

00:20:11.080 once there was only about five to seven sponsors total that you could even call and get sponsorship

00:20:19.480 with um then they started pushing towards the reebok stuff and ufc started pushing towards and they're

00:20:28.060 like look at what a great job we're doing we're getting you more sponsorship opportunities with

00:20:32.020 this reebok deal but not not people and people who weren't around long enough didn't know that

00:20:37.700 they choked all the other sponsors off ahead of time like they got to the point where there was

00:20:42.740 barely any sponsors there's people like condom depot paying people five hundred bucks to to put a

00:20:47.860 logo on your ass like that was traditionally like five grand like if you're a main main card fight

00:20:56.160 and ufc and you you're selling that real estate that's five grand so this company comes around and people

00:21:01.740 are accepting it manager accepting it for five hundred it was uh yeah it made it made things

00:21:07.700 tough for a little while the reebok deal made it worse interesting because now the uh the champions

00:21:15.060 are only making i think 40 to 45 000 per fight with the deal i think that's another new venom deal

00:21:20.820 they have now instead of reebok they're using venom and i think that's i think i saw that yesterday

00:21:26.520 something like the champions are like 40 40 to 45 000 i'm like chuck liddell used to make that per

00:21:32.780 patch per logo now is that was more than 10 years ago do they have do they have the opportunity to earn

00:21:39.380 sponsorship revenue on on their social audience like if they promote a a shoe or some kind of

00:21:45.500 they can but if you look they're man they're uh most of these guys social media is is awful

00:21:53.220 shit like they don't really know how to promote themselves they don't know how to monetize it and

00:21:57.180 and i think that's on purpose the ufc doesn't help them it doesn't do it for them because they don't

00:22:00.840 want them to make money on their own like they want you to be dependent off off of their uh pay cycle

00:22:06.960 that way they can leverage you more easily like they know when you're starving they know when you need

00:22:11.460 to fight that's when they come with the shittier deals okay we'll give you this fight but you gotta sign

00:22:16.700 this uh this extension on your um on your contract first for like nine fights you'd think that that

00:22:24.760 there would be an advantage to them showing fighters how to promote themselves on social platforms

00:22:31.480 because when it brings more eyeballs to the fighters it's going to bring more eyeballs to

00:22:35.960 the actual event right if they like john fitch control yeah i know but if they like john fitch on

00:22:42.280 instagram you know for example and that and that audience is building and it's adding 25 30 you know

00:22:46.540 30 000 followers the account monthly brothers logan and jake paul are perfect perfect examples

00:22:51.460 that's that i started a company actually because this i see this opportunity and nobody's taking it

00:22:56.160 but the reason is because the promoters don't want to put the time and money energy into it they want

00:23:01.420 you to do it yourself but they don't really want you to be successful because if you're successful

00:23:06.120 doing that you could literally make more money if you had 100 000 uh followers on on your instagram

00:23:11.200 account you could you could you could make you know a couple thousand dollars a month you could

00:23:16.340 live off of that and yeah there's nobody's on instagram that are just taking pictures of

00:23:21.420 their butthole and they've got like a million followers you know some of these checks but

00:23:24.920 an mma fighter not even close to that 100 and then yeah like you'll have guys big guys like

00:23:32.560 fought 10 fights 10 wins in the ufc and they they have under 40 000 under 50 000 followers on a lot of

00:23:38.320 stuff and that's that's insane to me that they're leaving money on the table and i think it's on purpose i

00:23:43.520 i don't think that the the companies want them to have access to this revenue because if they're if

00:23:48.380 they can make enough money to live off of their social media like they can't push them around and

00:23:53.520 force them into fights they don't want they can't make them sign bad contracts like it's literally

00:23:58.440 it gives them an opportunity to have a few money yeah this sounds uh this sounds awfully familiar you

00:24:04.540 know this is not the first place that um you know uh the man has done this to kind of like run the show

00:24:10.680 and and and keep its um oh it's it's gravy train under its control when you look at back and like

00:24:19.100 what other sports went through and once you see the uh the 1950s like studio studios we're doing

00:24:27.460 yeah just this is all just a replay this has all happened before it's not not a new thing

00:24:32.620 it's frustrating once you see it and then other people get it's literally we joke around we say it's

00:24:39.020 we see dead bodies it's like the sixth sense we see dead bodies yeah we're trying to explain this

00:24:44.460 to people and they're looking at us like excuse me like i like i like the fights though i thought

00:24:50.340 the fights were real yeah and and for all of this i mean you're like you're really putting your own

00:24:55.220 health in extreme risk i mean like you're like you're really putting your life and your livelihood

00:25:02.080 at risk and they're and they're running the show that way uh well i hope that changes you know for

00:25:06.920 the fighters um soon like is it getting better for them uh well we got class certification last year

00:25:14.680 in our classification lock studio cfc and it's an antitrust case and they will be uh we're supposed

00:25:23.300 to get a a write-up or something here this year april april 6 i think that's a big day but then they'll

00:25:30.440 file uh their appeal and then once the appeal gets thrown out then we'll be ready for trial

00:25:36.200 got it okay so this is in the court's hands there's a super chat here from adriano uh he says john

00:25:42.240 why is catch wrestling not as popular as bjj what's catch rushing i've never heard of that

00:25:47.300 uh catches catch can it's just uncle uncle basically tap out uncle okay yeah it's just make make

00:25:55.260 say make him say uncle make him make him tap it's old celtic and old school uh catch wrestling like

00:26:01.720 um there's a lot of different styles of it they used to i learned about it indiana history there

00:26:07.420 the guys used to grow the thumbnails out and if you could pop the other guy's eye out you won

00:26:12.160 that was one really and then the other was like they do the fish hooking where they fish hook in your

00:26:16.620 mouth yeah and they can they can pull and rip your mouth or you can quit at that point that's one too

00:26:23.080 but it's just yeah it's kind of what it is basically just say uncle um and there's still

00:26:28.320 a lot of implementation of catch wrestling techniques i think i i use some probably not

00:26:34.340 even understanding that i use some like yeah if you can grab something twisted make it hurt like

00:26:39.360 it works uh super here from uh once is frisco native here from the mission district i don't know

00:26:47.100 what the mission district is that an area around you no it's uh uh it's 44-5 minutes away

00:26:52.660 mission district it's uh i think rough rough area i think anything in san francisco is kind of rough

00:26:58.740 uh john brother how do you look so young you're 43 right i'm in 43 yep yeah you do look pretty good

00:27:06.180 for 43 i mean i i mean you could probably pull off 30s for sure yeah i uh what do the ladies think

00:27:12.720 when they meet you like what do they think your age is yeah i get a lot of 36 yeah okay i don't

00:27:17.640 correct them of course not why would you good for you bro um i say almost 100 and they laugh

00:27:24.220 what would you um like what is it that you'd like guys to know about this this kind of competitive

00:27:32.080 fighting mma ufc whatever is it you know that you want to call it that they've got like a myth or

00:27:37.560 like an illusion around it that it's a league that the ufc is a league that's the biggest myth

00:27:44.020 illusion you you cannot have a league with one owner one entity it's like calling it's the dallas

00:27:50.640 cowboys are the dallas cowboys a league no they play in a league with other teams so every every

00:27:56.960 every um team every team owner that's that's a promoter in a league okay so that's a common

00:28:05.920 uh misconception but that that's purposeful they they've conned you into thinking it's a league

00:28:12.500 that's why it's okay for them to do the things they do and control the title and control oh it's

00:28:17.540 a league that's why they control the title no they're they're a promoter like they're not supposed

00:28:21.940 to control the title um you had a you had an incident that was public on uh peds where you got

00:28:30.400 uh dope tested and didn't pass um i watched an interview with that and you were talking about

00:28:36.080 how you really didn't know what the hell you were doing at the time you just didn't dose it right or

00:28:39.560 you just kind of like you know took a stab at it for yourself the interesting thing though is that

00:28:42.980 i've noticed with testosterone is it doesn't make that much of a difference you know as you get older

00:28:49.040 like when i was 25 i could i could easily bench press three plates like now it's like two plates

00:28:55.400 you know if i'm lucky and i'm on trt right so it's not like it makes a huge difference but

00:28:58.920 like how far over the limit did you test like was it just marginal like when it ended up happening

00:29:05.200 so i like i i wasn't successful with it because my strategy was what i heard every other people were

00:29:14.100 doing but i didn't have all the pieces as you would replace your normal testosterone levels with

00:29:20.220 synthetic testosterone so you do 100 to 150 milliliters per week um which is about half of

00:29:28.980 what a normal doctor's prescription is for it but the idea is that your levels are going to be the same

00:29:36.400 but the synthetic testosterone is better than the natural testosterone and i don't know if i believe

00:29:42.260 that yeah i mean i was stronger when i was in my 20s natural than what i am today yeah so i don't know

00:29:49.120 if that's true or not that was the that's just the line of thinking that's the theory though

00:29:52.460 yeah this was the theory behind it so if you keep it that the um the commissions when you're tested

00:29:58.480 they test it was it just straight t like cipionate or ethionate or was it like d-ball because d-ball

00:30:04.380 can make you strong no it's just straight testosterone okay um and it was uh yeah so um oh yeah so the

00:30:13.780 ratio so you can test three to one or four to one at the time in certain commissions for your

00:30:19.900 testosterone to estrogen ratios right which is your normal human is one to one usually anyway so

00:30:25.480 it gives you a pretty good range to be on that synthetic and as long as you're within that range

00:30:30.680 you pass and um you're fine but i didn't know what i was doing so you're supposed to come off of

00:30:37.520 the injections like three weeks prior and then you're supposed to use a topical i guess well i didn't

00:30:43.180 have a topical and i didn't know and i use injections until like a week out so i my ratios

00:30:47.660 came back nine to one so after they did that i was flagged and then they tested for synthetics

00:30:52.640 so they made extra money to see if it was synthetic and it was so i got like doubles double whammy

00:30:59.100 but that was me trying to play catch up because there was a time period where trt was legal

00:31:07.840 you could legally get uh therapeutic uh exemptions from doctors um and fight still in ufc and other

00:31:17.060 promotions like the commissions allowed it so uh when i was released by the ufc it was kind of after

00:31:23.020 that heartbreak i talked about i i was like why am i why am i making less money than these guys and

00:31:29.240 they're cheating like what am i what am i really gaining by by not doing what everybody else is doing

00:31:33.620 so i i rationalized myself back into it but like i had the one fight i didn't feel any better i could

00:31:40.720 eat whatever i wanted to and look awesome that was nice but like my cardio wasn't better nothing was

00:31:45.840 better and the injection sites hurt so bad i couldn't i couldn't grapple at all i couldn't sit on

00:31:52.320 my ass like i would we're using a harpoon to shoot it in like a big i think i was using too big of a

00:31:57.100 need a ladder okay crazy um yes so is that common you know with fighters like do they use peds but

00:32:06.460 just at levels where it's like looks natural at the time i think that was uh i think that was

00:32:12.400 something they were doing a lot of because i'd heard it from a couple different places there was

00:32:16.560 that fighter war machine he made a video that went viral uh where he's talking about literally how

00:32:23.000 how you get a doctor to prescribe you test in the first place and then how you use it and things

00:32:29.680 like that and that's uh i think a lot of guys were using that approach for a little bit yeah i mean

00:32:36.220 it's not ideal like you like you mentioned in one of the conversations like it's not an ideal

00:32:40.180 substance for uh you know for sport where you have to make weight right because i mean you're gonna put

00:32:46.100 on water actually yeah i don't i couldn't understand that unless you're like putting on size to move up

00:32:51.820 weight classes it didn't make a lot of sense to me to to use something that's muscle building yeah

00:32:56.980 yeah i mean it's not all muscle building when you do put on put on some water weight too for sure

00:33:02.460 yeah i think some of the some of the ideology came from what was going on with

00:33:07.760 uh lance armstrong yeah stuff was coming out and there was like there's also the baseball stuff with uh

00:33:15.500 mark whatever his name was that red-headed guy that was knocking like every ball out of the park

00:33:20.020 so there was like there's different strategies and things people were talking about for use

00:33:24.940 so what about uh today like are you still on trt no so i haven't used since then and i recently

00:33:32.780 did that let's get checked thing online and i did a video on my channel official john fitch but

00:33:39.460 i'm at 567 now so i feel good i look good uh my hair is still here i don't want to i don't want to

00:33:48.420 fuck with my hair so i'm now you would have started to lose your hair by now if you had like the uh

00:33:53.020 predisposition to hair loss from androgens so i mean like even your natural body's teeth

00:33:58.040 production will make it fall out i'm just i don't i don't want to risk i could i could probably get

00:34:04.460 shredded if i was on it but uh you probably wouldn't get as shredded as what you are right

00:34:09.420 now like you're pretty ripped i've seen some of the pictures you've posted on instagram and you're

00:34:12.680 pretty lean because i mean as soon as you go on t like what ends up happening is you put on water

00:34:15.900 weight you know like immediately like like probably in about eight to ten weeks i probably put on about

00:34:22.180 10 pounds of weight and it wasn't all muscle for sure like i went from 198 to 208 like quickly

00:34:27.580 i've been uh yeah i've been eating and i'm trying to put on weight i'm trying to get bigger

00:34:33.380 yeah i might get 220 right now i don't want to get like fat though so i'm trying to lift and get

00:34:39.360 what's big for six foot tall if you're 220 man yeah it's a pretty it's a good size i just uh i want

00:34:46.100 to be a solid 220 and lose a little bit more of the i got i pack it on the side i like the camel

00:34:52.120 humps on the side love love handles yeah that's what that's where i put on the weight first

00:34:57.160 well i mean you got the core right you got to have the tight core to take all those hits

00:35:00.140 you're built that way now we got uh super here from beastly nerd says what promotions do you see

00:35:08.100 that could rival or even surpass the ufc one day so the fighters could possibly have more

00:35:12.840 leveraging power with contracts uh as long as the the there's no legal backstop for what promoters

00:35:19.960 do if the ufc loses power becomes second fiddle the next the person who beats them is is going to

00:35:26.540 be just as bad or worse it's not going to get better you have to have a fundamental change

00:35:33.220 in the way the sport is done and that's where the aliak would step in and would prevent uh you

00:35:39.640 know promoters from controlling the the titles who prevent them from controlling the um uh the rankings

00:35:48.020 uh when uh in in boxing you know when you win a title you become a free agent and that's that's when

00:35:54.200 the boxer is most most valuable that's when the fighter is most valuable that's when he should

00:35:58.640 be allowed to see where he can make the most money gotcha um you guys can keep throwing questions in

00:36:07.300 there about fighting i'm i'm again i'm not an expert and i don't watch much of the stuff so if you have

00:36:11.700 something that's relevant to uh the cast drop it in there but i wanted to ask you about some other

00:36:15.780 stuff because when i typed in john fitch um when i was putting the tags in the video you know how

00:36:21.160 google or youtube you know starts to recommend like other search items or other video topics it's

00:36:25.200 like you know it goes john fitch you know mma john fitch ufc then it goes red pill so like how did you

00:36:32.000 get into this red pill space the divorce so yeah 2000 and 2017 life's like you know uh i'm just not happy

00:36:45.320 i love you but i'm not in love with you sort of thing 100 what is love yeah bullshit and um yeah i just

00:36:53.960 went down that road and i'm very i'm an athlete i'm analytical so i look at things i look at successes

00:37:01.240 and failures and i break them down and i try to figure out what's going on and um i was already kind of

00:37:08.760 on the path of you know being a creator and taking my my knowledge of fighting and and technique and

00:37:17.400 fitness and stuff towards you know youtube and doing more stuff online that way uh which got me

00:37:23.720 interacting more with other creators and following more other creators and that it got me on a path of um

00:37:30.760 um being more positive because i felt i felt like my twitter timeline was very native and political

00:37:37.160 yeah i started following more positive people like ed latimore he was he was somebody who uh

00:37:43.480 had super positive man yeah super positive things to say and uh you know it's kind of like you know the

00:37:50.920 the the five people you surround yourself with it's kind of like where you're like the the things that

00:37:55.880 you're consuming also yeah if you can assume about a nonsense and and ugliness like then you're you're

00:38:02.840 just gonna have that with you all the time everywhere you're going so a lot of people complain though that

00:38:08.040 the red pill is um is very negative and misogynistic and you know blah blah blah like it's because they're

00:38:15.640 they're still married to their blue pill ideas they still want they still want the fairy tale to be real

00:38:21.080 yeah i think i think the vast majority of the population still buys a fairy tale it's hard like

00:38:26.520 they they you did at one point right a hundred percent a hundred percent like i have uh i've kept

00:38:34.840 journals for a long time and i i released one book as book one it's supposed to be the first uh a series

00:38:40.760 but like where i release uh those journal entries and i write reflections on them now i'm getting into

00:38:47.240 stuff like i have to take a break because it's like too personal and uh there's a lot of stuff

00:38:52.520 you know i'm looking back at and now i have that red pill lens and and uh some of the stuff you kind

00:38:59.080 of understood as a kid or growing up like behavior patterns you recognize them but you're constantly

00:39:05.480 like oh no it's supposed to be this way it's supposed to be this way and you think you're bad because

00:39:10.200 you're noticing how things are and you know reading through and through those little journals like

00:39:15.640 there's specs of it i can see there is a red pill underlying there but you you try to force yourself

00:39:22.520 into this this good good boy societal box i guess do you end up journaling daily like morning and night

00:39:28.920 or is it a weekly i did for a long time i was i was a part of my fighting obsession okay recording and

00:39:37.160 just documenting everything and um like yeah what i ate how how much i weighed like what my workout was

00:39:44.840 that day everything yeah yeah that's like a bit obsessive but um yeah so i think going through the uh

00:39:56.200 the divorce thing got me looking for knowledge so i'm following different people looking for different

00:40:01.640 uh outlooks more positive outlooks people were looking to grow and and and learn and make more

00:40:07.160 money and then i stumbled across i think uh the game is uh neil strauss strauss and yeah and i'm a uh

00:40:19.240 i'm a i'm a technician right as far as a fighter okay i wasn't the fastest strongest

00:40:25.640 guy out there but i could i'll thank you and i could use technique to lure you into my traps so

00:40:30.920 the idea of this pickup and the stuff they were doing it was all just technique to me

00:40:35.480 it made sense technique makes sense so look down that path even more uh more red pill stuff rational mail

00:40:44.440 and uh more and more stuff online jordan peterson books um yeah i think i got to a place where i was like

00:40:53.000 like this is a problem that not enough people are aware of what reality is and how much of this

00:41:03.080 kind of blue pill mindset steals from you and a lot of it is really

00:41:09.080 that's a theft of power i think from a lot of men are are most fighters pretty plugged into the blue

00:41:16.280 pill like are they mostly like blue-pilled alphas i think a lot yeah that's a good way to put it a lot

00:41:21.960 of blue-pilled alphas because you don't even see a lot of them who are like trump supporters or

00:41:26.600 you know bolson euro supporters in brazil or you know but they'll still they'll still stand for for

00:41:33.480 feminist stuff got it um oh here i got to throw these supers up um a buddy of mine from my community

00:41:40.040 is asking about your patreon link he's looking to i guess contribute where's the best way to

00:41:44.360 for somebody for you it's uh it's this smash society uh here let me look it up i'll grab it and drop it in

00:41:53.000 the chat uh patreon uh fitch smash society

00:41:59.800 it's creating live streams blogs is that it

00:42:09.400 yeah that's you here i'll grab the link and i'll drop it in the chat so if you guys want to

00:42:13.800 so what do people get from your patreon well i'm trying to build it right now i got five people

00:42:18.680 so i want to talk to you guys and um i'm doing everything for the everybody's doing the dollar

00:42:24.680 one right now anybody who's contributing right now is getting everything so i'm trying to

00:42:30.120 set up some times where we can do some some uh zoom chats and stuff together and i'd like to get

00:42:35.240 some local local stuff where we can hang out shoot some arrows drink some beers smoke some cigars type

00:42:42.200 stuff um yeah you post a lot about archery is that a new thing for you have you always done that

00:42:49.240 uh when i was a kid you know bb guns and shooting arrows in the back you know we had like seven acres

00:42:54.920 growing up and we had a bunch of woods so i was always in the woods playing i noticed that you use

00:42:59.560 a conventional longbow not a compound bow why do you use that one it was a gift okay like a couple

00:43:05.480 years ago um my friend had one laying around that he didn't use he has his own compound so

00:43:11.960 i got that and then i got the kids their own little little compound bow so that we could just

00:43:18.040 spend time together outside there's a nice little like local park thing it's a it's a free state

00:43:24.040 park and you can shoot arrows there and there's a little walkway that has a uh um kind of like a

00:43:32.200 target course you can walk that's pretty cool and you know it's just a good time to go and uh

00:43:38.600 take the kids and be outside and you know it's it's fun just to kind of meditate and shoot stuff

00:43:43.640 weapons training yeah i want to talk about your um about that stuff in a bit um i've got a super

00:43:50.600 here from zuber and he says books autobiography writing for the public interest or like yourself

00:43:57.320 would i read i think he's asking what books you would recommend to read uh what should make me think

00:44:02.520 people are interested what i say what i'm not sure what he's trying to say there is he trying to say

00:44:08.520 that he wants to write a book and what and what should he write it on that people should read

00:44:13.560 okay let's handle it this way what what books do you recommend like what are your top five reads

00:44:22.120 um man i'll say this while you're thinking about that that if you want to write a book it's best to

00:44:28.040 have an audience first don't go and you know write a book because you'll upload it to amazon and it'll

00:44:33.080 be crickets you'll sell like five copies yeah um man top five so like one of my big books that i

00:44:42.120 read they got me like on my path out out west and everything was uh zen and the art of motorcycle

00:44:47.320 maintenance that's a good book yeah and the there's the whole the ideas and uh questions around quality

00:44:54.440 and what is quality and uh there was a lot to that book i thought it was it was really great it spoke to

00:45:01.240 me you know he's talking about um you know paying attention and enjoying the journey and the path

00:45:07.640 not worry about getting to the top of the mountain right away that that was uh do you ride bikes are

00:45:13.880 you a motorcyclist no it's something i've always wanted to do but i kind of put off because i was

00:45:18.760 fighting and uh i was kind of going to last summer but then covet happened and then yeah i just haven't

00:45:25.480 re revisited doing that again awesome i i put a chapter in my book i i said every guy should

00:45:34.280 own a motorcycle at some point in their life i think anyway yeah because that's what i wanted to

00:45:37.880 do with uh you know the weekends i didn't have the kids i wanted to like i could take trips down

00:45:44.920 run and just especially in california because you got the best weather for it right i mean if you're

00:45:49.400 going to pay the heavy taxes and live amongst some of the heavily left-leaning people on the planet

00:45:55.000 you might as well enjoy the you know the sun sets in the mountains and the beautiful scenery right

00:45:59.320 yeah but yeah so that's it's man that's one of the things on the list is motorcycle um what's your

00:46:07.240 what's your relationship like with cannabis i noticed on a lot of the casts that we're on you

00:46:10.840 know you've always got something sparked up or a vape or something like that like talk about that a

00:46:14.360 little bit yeah so man i didn't smoke weed until i was 19 years old it was bad um he's an athlete

00:46:23.720 and you know it made people dumb but then i got to college and i met a bunch of people who were super

00:46:32.760 smart way smarter than me and i met a bunch of athletes who were better athletes than me and had

00:46:38.360 better cardio than me and they all smoked a lot of weed and i just kind of tore that idea down for me

00:46:44.840 i think there was some heavy mushroom and acid trips in college too that kind of opened my eyes around

00:46:51.720 that stuff and just this the idea of addiction in general it's just like you know it's something

00:46:58.920 having power over you i don't know i don't know if that's why i don't have that addictive type

00:47:03.720 of personality or i can just have one of anything and walk away from stuff those maybe those trips

00:47:09.800 back in college but um yeah i've never been in that position where i couldn't just have one of

00:47:16.520 something and walk away from it does it does it ever have a negative um like impact on your life as far as

00:47:23.240 any i haven't let performance i haven't had i haven't let drugs or alcohol or anything ever have a

00:47:29.960 negative impact on me i think i've i've been able to

00:47:37.080 understand when i'm having a good time and and when it's past that time i guess not that i haven't

00:47:42.440 had some bad moments in my 20s but um yeah but no with the weed thing like i got really into it because

00:47:48.680 i was having a lot of neck problems at the beginning of 2010 and i was growing my own because i just bought

00:47:57.000 a new house around well it was 2011 i guess when the neck problem started happening and i moved to

00:48:02.600 the new house and i was growing stuff outside at indoor grow so um having a medical license and

00:48:09.000 everything so everything was you know legal and um when i was growing my own like i could consume mass

00:48:17.720 amounts all day long and it didn't get in the way of training or my home life or getting things done so

00:48:27.080 it was kind of my own little experimentation and like getting done it didn't it didn't you know i could

00:48:33.160 be lazy if i wanted to whether i had the chemical or not what about psychedelics you're talking about

00:48:40.040 mushrooms and acid you still you still play around with that a little bit i haven't had a trip in

00:48:45.560 forever but i do microdose from time to time and then what sort of benefits to get out of the microdosing

00:48:53.080 microdosing from uh psilocybin um man it's like it's like a adderall without without the crack

00:49:03.480 it's it's amazing like um i was talking to my friend about it before it's one of those things that you

00:49:08.200 can't you can't overdo and there's times when you're just like you know i don't want to do this

00:49:13.960 for a few days because it's just i don't know it's like the perfect drug what do you usually dose when

00:49:21.000 it comes to psilocybin um it'll be 150 to 250 milligrams so 15 to 25 percent okay got it yeah yeah

00:49:30.200 actual dose yeah okay okay but yeah so it's it's i'll mix it with uh lion's mane yeah uh have them

00:49:39.720 together and it's it's you get a lot done i get a lot done but it's not somewhere i'm like i have to

00:49:45.000 have it every morning it's not even like a coffee where like i feel like i where's my coffee i don't

00:49:49.960 feel right because i don't have a coffee yet yeah i look at it i'm like i don't i don't want it

00:49:55.320 no not today yeah some of the most uh like productive and um competent entrepreneurs

00:50:02.840 athletes a lot of biohackers use it a lot too um i mean he did a big investment in a company that's um

00:50:10.440 leaning very heavily into psilocybin um and that's been going really well so i mean i'm looking forward

00:50:14.920 to it i mean hopefully it it helps a lot of people out one of the things that uh that they're starting

00:50:19.400 to notice as they're doing the research on this is that it like it can help somebody that that would

00:50:24.120 basically need like 10 years of therapy uh get through it within like six months or something

00:50:29.560 like that maybe like you know a handful of treatments it's like not effective i'm not a

00:50:34.280 doctor i'm not recommending anybody but i've had uh three different friends cure themselves of like

00:50:43.720 drug dependency oh it's great for ptsd too using it like they've had friends who uh were having issues

00:50:50.360 with cocaine and friends that were having issues with marijuana and every time they had a craving

00:50:55.480 they would take one of the pills and then you know months later psilocybin does reset those uh receptors

00:51:02.600 right um because that's because that's one of the problems that they had like they're using it to treat

00:51:08.120 like certain addictions like alcoholism i'm not sure if it's effective you know for other compounds as

00:51:13.960 well but i know they're like like they're having a lot of success with it for stuff like that

00:51:17.640 yeah it's a pretty cool thing so i mean hopefully it it it gets a little more um acceptance in the

00:51:24.040 community and it helps a lot more guys out after you do it a couple times like you realize like okay

00:51:29.800 this is why it's illegal it's like they don't want people they don't want to plant because you can't

00:51:34.280 people can grow this on their own they can set up their house and

00:51:39.800 like that was a whole argument with cannabis you know years ago is yeah you know they like it's got

00:51:44.760 you know medicinal properties when you extract certain compounds out of it you get rid of the

00:51:49.320 you know the ones that are more harmful but like all the all the pharmaceutical companies couldn't

00:51:53.800 do anything about it because you can't like patent a freaking plant right so they want to sell you their

00:51:58.760 drugs they don't want you to use your drugs try it they'll bio uh engineer it somehow and then they'll

00:52:04.600 they'll figure it out yeah um let's see here what else do i want to talk to you but i want to talk

00:52:10.680 a little bit more about the red pill stuff in the manuscript like what comes to mind when you when

00:52:14.440 you hear the term manuscript it's such a i don't even like the term you know manosphere can we just say

00:52:24.440 it's just uh i don't know a bunch of dudes who want better can we just this is a guy space where we

00:52:31.800 want to do better that's that's good enough i don't know about manosphere um but no it's it's heavily

00:52:37.960 needed and it's weird how negatively it's kind of uh like anything any go groups guys group guys

00:52:47.720 getting together huh like you need fun of like oh guys talking about guy stuff huh sounds good or like

00:52:54.760 whatever like you always it's so i don't know what the word is for it like look down on or like you're

00:53:00.840 shamed for being a group of guys in a guys club or group talking about guy stuff it's uh it's weird

00:53:09.320 it's really weird was it the was it the actual like like the wife giving you the i love you but i don't

00:53:17.080 love you talk that that started red pillier or was it like going through the divorce machine after it

00:53:21.640 like what what was divorce like for you in california because i mean that's a pretty hostile state you

00:53:27.000 know towards fathers right yeah oh she i mean she was i she used lube okay let's just say that she

00:53:34.440 used lube in the divorce rate okay well at least that was kind of her right yeah so i'll give her

00:53:42.920 that she used it could be worse you know cussing the kids so i'm not getting hit up for or uh um

00:53:51.080 child support um the uh no alimony because at the time like i was thinking about retiring so like it

00:53:59.640 was she was just started working so it was possible she she could have had to pay me alimony so she was

00:54:04.920 okay with signing off on saying no alimony so that that went in my favor um stay at home mom or she was

00:54:13.640 stay at home body stay at home wife but not a mom there she was at home but she wasn't like doing

00:54:20.280 them she like she wasn't doing the mom stuff yeah like i was double dutying a lot of things did you

00:54:25.400 guys have a nanny too or no really so like you were you were playing parent plus you know the income

00:54:31.960 earner i was training for a world title and i would have to stop in the middle of sparring around and

00:54:38.840 change the diaper really and then jump back in and finish the round and she didn't do that for

00:54:44.120 you she wasn't like john you go chase excellence i got this nope she was at home checking out instagram

00:54:48.920 or whatever and then i would come home from that and i wouldn't need to i'd have to make my own lunch

00:54:55.640 so i'd have to uh rest and then she would take off and leave and run errands or get her hair done or

00:55:01.640 whatever did did um you not like taking a title have any impact you think on you know the marriage

00:55:10.600 and her wanting to bounce um me getting dropped from the ufc yes okay so it was around the same time

00:55:17.080 as that i think her attitude changed a lot well i mean like me she was not on favor not a fan of me

00:55:24.840 pushing back against ufc she wanted me to shut up and be a good boy and just sucked in his dick just do

00:55:30.680 what he wants like that she's like she took their side yeah that's that's not good yeah she took she

00:55:37.320 took their side in the situation and that was kind of like some of the first like oh really that's

00:55:43.720 it was more important for her to like get the money and be in the scene than it was for like

00:55:49.720 her family to like not be robbed yeah so we've got playing to win and we've got playing not to lose

00:55:55.320 and women typically play not to lose right so that was that was that's what she wanted you to do

00:56:00.680 don't rock the boat john yes you know so then yeah so a lot of that was you know then money

00:56:06.600 changed my job status changed uh my social circle changed um a lot because i'm not i'm not gonna hang

00:56:13.240 out with people in this you know that are going to that thing and doing those things um yeah so that

00:56:19.080 was that was a big part of it and you know part of me too like i have to go through my journals and

00:56:24.120 see like when the when that happened but there was a point where i was like what am i doing like

00:56:27.960 why am i putting so much effort into this so i like i stopped doing shit for her and i focused on

00:56:33.400 me and the kids at a certain point and uh yeah i think it'd be interesting to go back and see when

00:56:41.320 that was that it could have been around the time when i was like we were hurting for money we had

00:56:45.160 got a new place and uh i was gonna sell my truck i love my truck i wasn't gonna get much money for it

00:56:52.680 and i came home one day and i was i found somebody to buy it and it was well under what i was hoping

00:56:58.520 to give for it and i came back and and i walked in the house and she'd like dropped like 500 bucks

00:57:06.120 on nails and hair and shit that day and i was like what the hell am i why am i giving up my truck

00:57:14.840 like why am i giving up something i love she's not giving anything up and like we're struggling for

00:57:19.400 this money so like whatever i was like nope i start putting premium gas in the truck

00:57:25.800 well it sounds like you're better off today than what you were when you were married man

00:57:29.800 i am but yeah it still stings like especially like i was in a bitcoin early and

00:57:38.600 me being bullied and harassed by her because it's not a real thing and you're wasting time and you

00:57:44.120 should have a real job and blah blah blah like i stopped trading and stopped buying bitcoin

00:57:49.160 it was hundreds of dollars at that time if i if i would have focused on me and money and muscles

00:57:56.120 i would have i would have been a billionaire right now yeah well there you go right i mean

00:58:03.800 so what's life like now i mean like you're doing a lot of dating i've heard you on the rule zeros you

00:58:07.560 know a few times saying that you're dating a lot of women in their 20s and things are good and

00:58:11.800 like is this like the best time of your life now or it's uh it's weird because of the lockdowns

00:58:20.840 uh but it's still pretty damn good like i'm still figuring i'm figuring a lot of stuff out but

00:58:25.800 i'm having fun like i can't complain a lot i've got a little bit of cushion with with uh bitcoin doing

00:58:31.640 really good right now um you know i made a little bit of money last year for my fight and uh

00:58:40.520 i'm good for a little bit like a big focus for me right now is spending quality time with the kids

00:58:46.280 and uh it's nine and seven yeah like i mean my daughter's gonna be a teenager pretty soon man um

00:58:56.600 and they're just gonna be out all the time they don't want anything to do with you you know by

00:59:01.000 the time they get to that it's like you know you're cool when they're seven yeah not so much when

00:59:05.240 they're you know moving into the teen years so you might as well enjoy that part um yeah so i'm just

00:59:10.600 much time with them so yeah i got like two three years before they start doing more stuff with their

00:59:14.760 friends and you know uh so what does a typical week look like for you now that you're retired like

00:59:20.360 what do you do mostly with your time man it's like a lot you know 50 it's with the kids so i'm

00:59:26.200 taking care of them and doing uh fun stuff with them wrestling around with them teaching them

00:59:31.240 wrestling and how to shoot a bow and arrow and then this weekend we'll go fishing i think we'll

00:59:37.000 go to the beach probably too on another day but yeah so like just having adventures when we can

00:59:43.160 um but then my time is i do podcasts um i need to make myself write more but i've been putting up

00:59:51.080 you know courses uh on gumroad i need to make some more uh i've been traveling and doing seminars

00:59:57.960 and teaching um and i'm starting uh another company a branding company so i have providers or

01:00:06.920 fighters and instagram models babes and beast branding babes and beast branding i dig it yeah so

01:00:14.040 yeah it's a good way to you know stock up the pipeline for the bay part of it all instead of

01:00:18.440 doing john fitch smash dudes in the ring it's john fitz smash boone right yeah but yeah and then i

01:00:25.080 figure it's a great way to use a network effect you know with the girls and the guys together if i get

01:00:31.240 enough of them and then um i'm gonna do fun stuff and travel and do fun stuff creating content for

01:00:37.640 people but i feel like it's money these people have money left on the table like the fighters who don't

01:00:43.640 know how to use social media they don't know how to do basic simple collection and campaigns and stuff

01:00:50.280 and then the girls who are hot but don't know how to use technology or how to market at all it's the

01:00:56.840 same it's kind of like the idea of uh you know the starving artists a lot of harvests are starving

01:01:02.040 because they don't know how to sell themselves yeah there's a lot of guys out there that have

01:01:07.400 um a lot of skills and they don't know how to properly monetize it and commanding an audience

01:01:13.800 is something that is not talked about enough i mean i learned this concept 2011 or 12 when i was

01:01:20.680 uh listening to guys like um alex icon who built like a very impressive uh hair extension business and

01:01:29.640 even um what's the bulletproof coffee guy's name dave asper he was talking at a conference you know

01:01:35.240 i was sitting at a round table and he was talking about his uh podcast and at the time like he had

01:01:39.480 one of the biggest podcasts um you know on itunes and a lot of these guys are all just like yeah like

01:01:44.280 if if you have an audience then you have a business yeah and um a lot of people don't understand the value

01:01:51.240 in that so yeah that's uh beast and babe things i think you'll do quite well with it if you've um

01:01:56.440 um if you've got it running right it'll be a learning process yeah but it's one of those yeah

01:02:05.960 i'm interested in it and what's the next big uh thing for you like what are you leaning into like

01:02:11.720 what are you looking forward to the most these days um well i mean like that company actually kind

01:02:16.040 of have a lot of hopes for it's it's something i think it's gonna be a lot of fun one of my problems

01:02:21.560 is i get bored easily so like i i've had problems with growth myself because i haven't really niched

01:02:29.320 myself into any one like market i haven't gone i haven't gone full 100 into one in one niche

01:02:36.200 because i'm i'm interested in too many things

01:02:41.560 yeah so you're a generalist um that's okay i mean look at joe rogan like he's he's one of the

01:02:49.000 biggest generalists out there like he'll talk with fighters comedians evo psych guys like he'll

01:02:53.320 talk to all different kinds of people yeah 100 it's kind of i don't just want to be doing podcasting

01:02:59.640 stuff but like it's the same ideas i still want to i want to do what i want yeah that's the one thing

01:03:05.720 i have to be forced into into something yeah that's the best you know that's the best part about this

01:03:10.360 time of life is if you have that flexibility and you know you've got a nest egg set up and you can

01:03:14.680 pretty much do whatever you want i mean even if it doesn't pay that much if you really like what

01:03:18.520 you're doing you know with your time and you get something out of it and you know i always tell

01:03:22.840 guys when they ask me the question well how do i know i'm doing the right thing or like how do you

01:03:26.600 know what your purpose is and all that it's like well one of the answers to that is you'll lose track

01:03:30.360 of time when you're doing it right like five hours will go by and you won't even notice the time

01:03:36.120 because you know you're so engrossed with the whole thing like you're right down the rabbit hole sort of

01:03:40.920 stuff and i've i've come to learn too now that life is a lot less expensive um when you don't have

01:03:50.680 somebody who's trying to live the the sex in the city lifestyle yeah when you don't have to pay for

01:03:56.440 500 hair and nails yeah and like and eating out four or five times a week yeah i don't know but that's

01:04:05.000 like that's like the modern woman you know today they were yeah they were sold sex in the city they

01:04:09.960 were sold like you know you don't have to do anything like you you know like there's this big

01:04:15.880 long list of things that they want you to bring to the table john you got to be tall you got to be

01:04:19.400 good looking you got to be alpha you got to be funny you got to be you know uh you got to have

01:04:23.640 combat skills you got to be a good father you got to be nurturing you got to be a shoulder to

01:04:28.200 cry and it's like it's like well what do you bring to the table well me because i'm pretty

01:04:32.200 crazy that's wild so like yeah being able to say no to like oh yeah we're going to brunch

01:04:38.840 whatever blah blah it's like okay cool like uh hit me up when you're done

01:04:44.440 i was like i don't need i don't need that i got i got eggs in the fridge i'm cool yeah you want to

01:04:50.520 come over and make me breakfast yeah you want to come over i got eggs here yeah um do you treat women

01:04:57.240 a lot differently you know today now that you're dating you know that you've kind of like awakened and

01:05:00.680 you've unplugged from from a lot of the i got to pay for hair and nails and makeup and you know

01:05:06.200 i just don't put up with whatever i don't put up with the yeah you like this is what i'm looking

01:05:12.040 for you either meet my standards or we're just friends and have you have you come across some

01:05:17.880 outrageous stuff like you're like wow i just said that no um man

01:05:25.000 no i haven't had anything major like girls will mention like oh i'm a feminist and blah blah blah

01:05:32.200 they talk about their uh their their whatever their time they're donating and

01:05:40.920 i'm just they're trying to get her i don't know if they're trying to get a reaction or like oh my god

01:05:45.240 i can't believe oh wow you're such a whatever i just like i just go on to the next thing or just no

01:05:50.120 reaction i i'm not uh i don't care about your your sjw stuff how does uh being an ex-fighter tie into

01:05:59.720 you know dating now for you as a single dad i used to it is easier kind of but then yeah one of my

01:06:07.400 buddies was like dude you're stupid just put your just put your instagram thing on there like you're

01:06:12.760 dumb like why are you not using your blue check and whatever and i was like all right fine because

01:06:18.920 it's it's that it's part of that blue pill thing too it's like oh well the good girls they're not

01:06:22.920 looking for whatever the good girl like whatever there's no good girls what about those um like

01:06:29.800 weekly shots you do like the hump day hottie sort of thing like do you get a lot of heat from women on

01:06:33.480 that no um i have like 10 of my followers on instagram are female so uh i get like zero pushback

01:06:45.080 from those uh i have i did get a girl i think i saw the tweet but uh not sweet but um i did have

01:06:52.920 a girl match me and uh was giving me about she had matched me on tinder and then was giving me about

01:07:01.160 my hump day hotties or whatever trying to be funny but um yeah that was that was a soft next

01:07:08.360 yeah i guess she didn't she didn't meet the expectations i don't want to look through my

01:07:12.120 phone right now and find it for you but maybe i'll find another time but i kept a bunch of stuff that

01:07:17.640 crazy girls have sent me and um yeah the big thing uh that i've noticed is the girls are having a hard

01:07:25.240 time with is not when i don't put up with flakiness the home iron gains like punish them for

01:07:33.080 flakies is 100 correct and um some of them have a hard time with that yeah they want to be held

01:07:40.520 accountable that's for sure yeah like what are you serious and it's like yeah i'll playfully say you

01:07:45.880 know i'm you know i don't really like flaky people if you want to if you want to reschedule you're

01:07:50.040 gonna have to you're gonna have to buy the drink you got to buy drinks whatever steak yeah or you're

01:07:55.480 gonna have to pay for dinner i like steak yeah there's a post that you would showed us yeah

01:08:01.240 even give them the wink yeah just wow really oh my god john good luck good luck

01:08:11.880 good luck what do you mean like i have three other girls to call yeah don't worry sweetheart

01:08:16.520 luck luck is very good over here uh my big yeah the big thing i have is uh because i have such

01:08:25.000 limited time to go on dates yeah um yeah man i don't have time for the flakes like that really

01:08:32.680 is like an investment for me to like work up to get to the girl to go out on wednesday or thursday

01:08:37.480 night and then she flakes it's like i got i got a week and a half before the next round of nights i

01:08:43.480 might be able to date again yeah so like am i gonna really risk another one with you so

01:08:53.000 what is this question um how has how has everything with the red pill change your perspective with

01:08:57.960 parenting like do you teach your boys things that your dad never taught you or you know do they hear

01:09:03.640 a lot of sound bites you know now as they're getting older uh there's stuff on the background i'm sure all

01:09:09.160 the time but i i just watch movies with them i watch shows with them and i'll pop it i'll stop the

01:09:15.320 movie and be like guys this is a really great uh movie this is a really fun story but this is a story

01:09:22.520 this is not physically possible these are these things are not capable this would never really

01:09:27.240 happen okay and then we'll start the movie again but like because there is there's a lot of

01:09:33.160 especially nowadays there's a lot of

01:09:36.680 girl power it's all the girls doing everything and all the guys are are usually bumbling idiots

01:09:45.800 yeah you know it's like oh my god thank god for all the girls because the guys are such

01:09:50.440 losers and they're so stupid well it just makes it easier to stand out in the crowd of all that i mean

01:09:55.160 there's a lot of i mean i really feel for like men today and boys today because there's a lot of crap that

01:10:01.240 they've that you know there's a lot of stuff that they've been fed that doesn't work and there's a lot of stuff that

01:10:08.120 you know that we'll talk about that they'll be like vehemently opposed to right like they'll

01:10:12.920 want to fight it it's like i find it's it's it's it's funny sometimes when some guys will like

01:10:18.760 you know they'll send you a message on uh like an instagram q a you know i did one the other day

01:10:23.000 when i was doing a workout and then i go on the the sauna and i answer you know the questions it's like

01:10:27.160 and then you answer the question like some guy will ask you a question about like nofap right it's like

01:10:31.400 okay here we go like what's your opinion on nofap let's let's start with that because i know this is

01:10:38.120 a popular topic for a lot of guys i mean like is it really is it if it's that big of a thing in your

01:10:45.080 life that you have to be asking people about it yeah maybe you should probably take a break yeah like

01:10:51.240 my approach is like i don't know any guys with an abundant access to women that even talk about

01:10:57.480 it it's not even a thought that crosses their mind it doesn't come up it's not part of my dialogue no

01:11:02.600 i don't think about it it's like and then i say those things they're like oh you don't understand

01:11:06.200 that they get in a big argument with you and they start sending you like dms and stuff i'm not gonna

01:11:10.360 yeah and it's not like i was like oh you're i don't care man if that's what you want to do do it

01:11:14.280 like i don't care i just don't care it doesn't it shouldn't be that all-encompassing of the thing it

01:11:19.240 shouldn't be obsession yeah daily thing you shouldn't be obsessed with it yeah i don't know

01:11:25.960 well i mean there's the old saying that you know when somebody says that you're obsessed with something

01:11:29.800 it's like um you know it's like a way to define somebody that's you know determined or you know

01:11:35.640 focused on it's like i guess i guess that's a way to kind of define the obsession with nofap like

01:11:42.280 i don't know what it is man it's just bizarre to me just yeah i mean there should be other things

01:11:47.080 that you should be focusing on you should have to just be thinking about that one thing and maybe

01:11:51.240 it's a a part of like porn addiction too though maybe that's really really good yeah it's you

01:11:57.400 know like porn addiction is a legitimate problem too um so i get that component but i mean if you want

01:12:02.440 to stop fapping just have girls i mean yeah if i find a girl it feels way better would you ever get

01:12:11.320 married again uh i mean i don't why i get the government involved in a relationship right for

01:12:21.560 one i'm i'm more older i get more realized i'm more anarchist yeah leave me alone stay anarchist or

01:12:28.760 libertarian uh well libertarians are just anarchists with money okay

01:12:38.200 can't argue with that yeah yeah i mean like i mean i i mean it's extreme but really yeah i

01:12:43.480 guess libertarian because yeah just the government should protect the borders interstate commerce

01:12:48.520 enforce the laws and leave me there alone yeah just take care of the fire department and that's

01:12:53.320 it just you know don't bother me um what about your sons would you would you encourage them to get

01:12:58.440 married i want them to be as uh do you want to be a grandfather i want to be a grandfather

01:13:06.680 right okay so i may just you know i may set things up to where i just have them impregnate a bunch of

01:13:13.640 girls and i'll raise the kids on my farm in the woods i was sold well i mean you you talked at one

01:13:20.440 point ago about wanting to have some more children and to like run a hair i'm like is that still a

01:13:24.600 little strategy for you um i thought a lot more about it but it would it would be really difficult

01:13:29.320 because you'd have to find you still have to find the women like who are capable of that so unless

01:13:35.320 there's you know i can make enough money to have surrogates or i do find you know quality women but

01:13:41.880 it's it's possible it's not impossible no it's certainly possible i mean men have done it throughout

01:13:47.480 history i mean yeah there's a really good book i mean if you haven't read it alpha god by

01:13:51.640 hector garcia it's in my queue it's great like yeah just even listen to it if you can get the audible

01:13:57.080 that's what i did but i mean it's it's it's pretty common throughout history and there's guys today that

01:14:02.360 that that still try to do it i mean like sterling's got a buddy down in australia that

01:14:06.360 we were talking about um you know briefly that basically set up his own harem and it kind of fell

01:14:11.880 apart on him did you ever see that link that he posted i did i read i read through that a little

01:14:16.120 bit yeah like it like it seems like a good idea but then in today's world especially you know with

01:14:22.600 like the me too and the feminists there's a little crap there's always angles and yeah risk just seems

01:14:28.680 too high yeah there's there's a lot of risk but so like yeah i don't i don't yeah it the idea of it

01:14:36.520 sounds cool i like kids you know but like i would never have kids i couldn't afford i don't want to

01:14:42.360 i don't want to do that type of life and i wouldn't want to have be subjected to some crazy mother or just

01:14:50.600 just unstable that would yeah which you don't i mean you don't have a crystal ball that can mean

01:14:56.920 5 10 15 years in the future tell you what it's going to look like i mean because one of the things i

01:15:01.400 always tell guys is women always reserve the right to change their mind at any given time and i'm sure that

01:15:05.480 i'm sure the girl that that guy in australia you know brought into his harem at one point he thought

01:15:10.040 she was solid and you know she was part of the family and uh you know she'd be there for as long

01:15:16.280 as um you know he was happy to have her there sort of thing but it all fell apart for him and it caused

01:15:21.800 a tremendous amount of issues well we see that man like implanted memories are a thing i please

01:15:29.560 people you can you can take a person and convince them that their childhood was awful

01:15:33.880 right you know even though it wasn't um well that's one of the most important things i always

01:15:41.720 tell guys to vet for is make sure you stay away from anybody with feminist ideologue it's like

01:15:48.040 because the inherent underlying notion is you have to be a victim in order to qualify as a feminist

01:15:54.440 there has to be a patriarchy which oppresses you and if you have an oppressor then you're a victim so

01:15:59.000 by default you have to operate you know with a victim mindset which is a loser's mindset so why

01:16:03.560 would you invite a woman in your life that's got a loser's mindset right yeah 100 so that's the

01:16:09.480 biggest thing that i'd save that for but i mean you know if you can pull it off man i hope you pull

01:16:12.840 it off i mean you know let me know how it unfolds i mean just being able to find one consistent

01:16:18.760 girl is hard enough are you finding it like that difficult just to have

01:16:23.960 you know like a set of plates kind of spinning you know in your rotation or is it like they kind

01:16:29.160 of come and go i think i feel that a lot of them want a lot more of my attention that i'm willing to

01:16:35.800 give especially quickly so i think that a lot of them uh what do they bring to the table i mean like

01:16:43.640 are there any of them that that want all this attention and want like that level of commitment

01:16:48.280 or ownership of you in your time that that brings something special to the table that you're willing to

01:16:51.960 say okay fine like yeah like like no not really i'm not looking for whatever you know like

01:17:00.840 i'm not looking for that like i've had girls who were like you know they want to book the next date

01:17:05.080 as soon as we finish the date they're like they're you can feel they're ready to jump into a relationship

01:17:10.120 i don't have what like on day two they're like so john where do we stand yeah well not that they're

01:17:15.000 just like like man like if you're not out of my door and you're planning the next date that's

01:17:19.160 to me that's push that's pushy it's pushy yeah i'll let me give you a couple days if i even want

01:17:24.280 to go out with you again and they're like they're pushing for the next day oh so what's your next

01:17:28.680 saturday like or when's wednesday or i'll be over at this time and i was just like it's like relax i

01:17:34.200 don't know um yeah it's it's it's weird you know so like i'll have some girls who are really cool and the

01:17:42.760 the sex is really good but they're far away you know i was dating a girl for a few months who was

01:17:47.960 in san diego and she we would have rendezvous rendezvous and meet up places um but yeah it's

01:17:55.000 just i think i think that part of the underlying reason why they're cool is because the distance

01:17:59.960 exists that i think that helps too that helps too like honestly like you know the girl i've seen uh

01:18:06.200 the one i've seen a little bit here she's she's in la she comes up to see me uh but i like i don't

01:18:12.600 have a lot of time like i don't see her more or less than i would somebody who lived down the street

01:18:19.000 you know because like i'm not having these people come around my kids like i don't know you well enough

01:18:23.880 to do that if i date you for like nine months a year maybe i'll let you meet my kids

01:18:29.240 so so at the nine month mark you know when you feel you know there's something worth you know

01:18:35.160 having a conversation over that's when you look at it huh yeah or uh you know a lot of people move

01:18:40.920 super fast on that yeah well it depends on it depends on i don't bring it up don't they bring it up you

01:18:46.920 know when they start when they start pushing or whatever yeah i think that's the right way to do it

01:18:50.440 is let them bring up that talk when they bring it up uh then we'll talk about it but you know

01:18:55.560 the talk i i haven't had brought up for a while was the you know you know i don't want to i don't

01:19:03.640 want you to date other people talk type thing so um when it does happen again and i'll be the same

01:19:10.360 i had last time it's like okay yeah it's cool that you can be my girlfriend but i'm going to date

01:19:15.000 other people also and we'll see how that goes well you know by the way quick pro tip because i've

01:19:21.720 talked to a few guys about this you know she brings up that um you know hey john it's been

01:19:26.440 10 months and you know i'd really like to meet your kids maybe we can hang go to chuck e cheese or

01:19:29.960 something like that still still give it another nine months of watching her behavior to make sure

01:19:35.320 that it's not like a dog and pony show and stuff and it's just an act um i mean see if she really digs

01:19:40.840 her vibe you know see if she likes being around them and you know uh she's never going to be the mom

01:19:45.720 obviously but just make sure that um you know she's got a genuine interest in it

01:19:51.080 uh we've got a super here from andrew he's asking about the term sigma male how would you gentlemen

01:19:56.120 define this what do you think of the term sigma male i don't even know most of these terms you know

01:20:03.000 here i'm going to google it because um i get i get tired of people making up all this new

01:20:09.400 shit and you have to do what you want to do a sigma male is a man with a with the socio-sexual

01:20:16.360 hierarchy who chooses to live his life outside of the normal social dominance hierarchy structures

01:20:20.840 of society that sounds like an alpha male to me yeah it's just that's what he wants to do

01:20:27.080 yes i mean you can label it with with whatever you want yeah yeah he does what he wants and women

01:20:33.080 still want to add bone him sigma personality they are self-sufficient seemingly strong and capable

01:20:39.080 of taking care of themselves being independent is key sigma males are independent without even trying

01:20:43.640 they have a close friend or two but these friendships often likely offer companionship

01:20:47.400 and not a necessity sounds a lot like my life but whatever i mean you know call it just call it

01:20:53.080 whatever you want man male lone wolf it seems like uh it seems like a definition but it is what it is so

01:21:01.720 just roll with it um don't don't hold on to labels too tightly like one of the things that i see guys do is

01:21:07.400 they is they identify with a label like i'm a sigma male or i'm a mctow or it's like

01:21:13.000 just that's that's man you're not fully developed that's a part of it's a part of your like development

01:21:19.640 into manhood it's like when you're a little child you see the power ranger oh the red power ranger i'm

01:21:24.840 the red power ranger i'm the blue power ranger like you you are that person and then you get a little

01:21:28.840 bit older you're a teenager and you start to be like oh i i want to do the flying axe kick like the blue

01:21:34.360 power ranger but i like spinning kick of the yellow power ranger i want to do both those things

01:21:39.000 you start peeling off different parts of that identity to create your own and then by the time

01:21:43.480 you're an adult you should be like this is me this is what i do this is how i am but like most people

01:21:50.520 never get to that final stage they're still trying to be the yellow power ranger yeah don't attach

01:21:56.360 yourself to labels and definitions because as a man you're going to evolve over time or you should be

01:22:00.920 evolving you know um you know adapting and doing more things that you enjoy and less things that you

01:22:07.240 don't enjoy if you want to call that an alpha or sigma or whatever the hell you want to call it

01:22:12.440 an alpha sigma doesn't matter just do you man just do you bro free man or a slave free man free

01:22:19.320 man all the way your day doing things for other people because you have to do these things i feel

01:22:24.760 like most people that i know that have had like mental breakdowns or have anger issues

01:22:32.040 are all people who live lives for other people like they're all like they're doing this for

01:22:37.080 they attach the labels for their mother they're doing this for whatever oh i have to these people

01:22:41.160 need this it's like what do you want bro where's your life exactly raymond's got a good point here

01:22:46.520 right people create labels so they have something to gab about you know get attention on

01:22:49.880 that's a good point um we're coming up on the 90 minute mark let's um let's wind it down man it was

01:22:56.920 a fun talk let people know uh what it is you're working on or where they want you to find you on

01:23:01.960 what it is that you're working on um yeah john fish.net john fish.net is uh the place where everything

01:23:09.640 is you can find um i need to work on my writing more but uh the uh podcast john fish knows nothing it's

01:23:18.120 sundays at 7 p.m on the left coast um talk about everything on that show have guests on a lot of

01:23:26.200 also um yeah i got two books on amazon failing upward death by ego and the way cut bible and check those

01:23:34.280 out too cool let me get this one last super before we wrap up he says when you're a child you seek

01:23:39.720 approval when you are mature you are sought for approval this is very true and travis says john is like

01:23:46.360 a fine wine i'd have to agree with that all right thanks for watching guys smash the like button

01:23:52.600 comment below if there's somebody that you want to see on the plane to win series uh drop a name

01:23:58.120 there uh if it's somebody that i like or have a genuine interest in talking to maybe i'll reach out

01:24:02.280 to them um there's a few there's a few other guys that i got lined up over the next couple months

01:24:06.760 that i really want to have a conversation with i i like having these talks so john thanks for joining

01:24:10.360 me um check out his stuff you guys know where to find him he's uh you know he's a regular uh

01:24:15.320 contributor on the rule zero panel so i think uh ryan's up this saturday if i'm not mistaken but

01:24:20.600 keep an eye open you know he'll be around thanks guys see you out peace

Playing to Win - March 02, 2022

035 - Jon Fitch

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