Playing to Win - 040 - @George Gammon @The Rational Male @AaronClarey & Rich Cooper

00:00:00.000 all right guys what's up we're live for episode 40 of the playing to win series uh this will be

00:00:09.120 a fun one today we've got uh below me george gammon uh to my left i don't know these things

00:00:16.840 are reversed with the cameras erin cleary of course you guys know captain capitalism

00:00:21.200 and if you're unfamiliar with rollo tomasi you've been living under a rock somewhere so

00:00:26.380 are you watching this show how's everybody doing today good good awesome doing very well guys

00:00:33.380 again thanks for uh having me here it's really an honor yeah so a little bit of background um rollo

00:00:38.240 kind of cooked up this idea he said you know i've went down to this rebel capitalist conference which

00:00:42.740 george uh hosted in miami the other month and uh he said you know we should all get together and

00:00:47.140 talk about the economics of the red pill and how it applies to other areas of life um topic that

00:00:53.720 i'm fond of so rollo's got a bunch of questions for us and he's going to help guide us through these uh

00:00:59.580 through this labyrinth if you will so so um so let me let me start out by saying that uh aaron and i

00:01:07.020 have had this conversation before we done a couple i think we did at least two different episodes on my

00:01:13.600 show or maybe we did one on your show i'm not really sure where we've talked about um we talked

00:01:18.600 about the economics of prostitution is one of them that was what you're talking about only fans then

00:01:23.920 obviously yeah yeah well no marriage is what i was talking about marriage that's okay that marriage but

00:01:28.660 that's that's interesting you should bring that up rich because that's actually one of the questions i

00:01:32.440 have on this list so uh so just a little bit of uh you know full disclosure here aaron and i have

00:01:38.940 talked about this before uh george gammon and myself have actually talked about a lot of the stuff

00:01:43.300 as well on george's channel and rich i think you and i have probably talked about this a few times

00:01:48.940 actually on this show but we've never had everybody kind of all together so before i you know just to

00:01:55.440 give a little bit of uh preface here the reason why i wanted to bring everybody together here and i'd

00:01:59.300 really like to get ken mcelroy and even possibly robert kiyosaki at some time in the future um to discuss

00:02:04.680 these things is because when i was at the rebel capitalist uh conference which was in miami at the

00:02:10.840 beginning of june um it was sort of an eye-opening experience for me i i did not realize there was

00:02:17.600 that much crossover between uh our sort of spheres with uh george's sphere and uh you know talking with

00:02:25.280 robert kiyosaki talking with the other guys who are speakers there uh ken mcelroy amongst them um

00:02:30.980 really impressed upon me the need to um sort of explore this side of not only the red pill but also

00:02:38.040 uh i i don't even know really what to call it george i mean is it like the the libertarian economic

00:02:43.660 side like the the rebel capitalist side i guess of of your sphere um and so i wanted to sort of open a

00:02:50.800 discourse between all of us now rich i'm familiar with obviously uh joe all everybody here i'm familiar

00:02:56.080 with but um there's going to be people along the way who i i think are in your um i guess sphere

00:03:03.120 george uh who are kind of peripherally aware of the red pill and um like they know me and they

00:03:10.300 might have heard of rich uh they might not necessarily know who aaron is uh aaron's uh you

00:03:15.280 want to give them a little bit of background aaron because i'm not really sure that george really knows

00:03:18.400 your background yeah a real quick background uh backgrounds in finance and economics uh degree

00:03:23.880 and all that and banking uh analyst and uh but wrote a book on the housing crisis also been blogging

00:03:30.680 since 2004 which has since led me down this path to become blogger podcaster content creator in

00:03:37.240 general my expertise as that has evolved has uh basically come to the intersection between

00:03:45.360 uh for lack of better sex love marriage uh the dynamics between the sexes and economics

00:03:52.020 and so that's kind of where i come in so i did financial advice planning forecasting but then

00:03:59.100 also as it pertains to uh the human psyche so not not so much a a quantitative analyst but more

00:04:05.520 heavily uh introducing psychology incentives human instinct and how to basically avoid huge mistakes

00:04:13.920 that come from not thinking and feelings that's kind of the realm i'm in yeah yeah i think i was

00:04:20.640 speaking down in belize a couple weeks ago and that was kind of the main topic that i was trying to

00:04:25.440 impress upon the people that were there the attendees is i think now more than ever you've got to know

00:04:30.740 what you don't know and uh before i retired that was uh one thing that a business mentor of mine

00:04:38.340 uh would always say and it sounds so simple but once you really think it through you realize how

00:04:45.180 profound it is and with what's happening right now in the economy what what's happening with the the red

00:04:51.840 pill what's happening to young males especially right now uh and and females i think is going to

00:04:58.720 have a really uh profound impact and just assuming that we understand everything even in this group i

00:05:05.220 think is a mistake so if you're always trying to figure out what you don't know and further seek

00:05:10.160 truth i think financially which is i think a big opponent of being alpha and being independent

00:05:15.200 uh financially you're gonna have a big edge yeah yeah and george you also had uh one of the things

00:05:21.000 that i um actually use as reference for today's questions here is uh the episode you did on will

00:05:27.300 the housing market crash or will it you know continue on as to like right now the housing market is at

00:05:33.020 above where it was in 2007 as far as over inflation of it right now and you had and you do a white

00:05:39.600 board kind of video and uh one i think it was like the the fourth one along the way was uh you

00:05:46.140 introduced the word hypergamy to um to your audience which i think was sort of uh something

00:05:51.800 that was maybe it's fresh to your audience but to us obviously i mean gosh i'm i'm not role tomasi

00:05:58.020 synonymous with hypergamy right um but um can you give us just a little quick breakdown of that

00:06:04.920 because that's going to lead us into um the marriage topic that i had here so like what what

00:06:09.600 exactly were you talking about in that that particular bullet point um with respect to

00:06:14.400 how family formation and how marriage and how hypergamy sort of affect the the the housing market

00:06:23.660 because like as far as like you know family single families buying buying homes right now as opposed to

00:06:28.640 renting homes as opposed to even forming families in the first place so can you give just like a really

00:06:32.560 brief rundown on what that was all about yeah i mean it's not just the housing markets it's the

00:06:37.140 economy more broadly they've got a saying in economics that demographics equal destiny and so

00:06:45.140 if you've got an environment where women are let's say doing better economically and and we all know

00:06:52.820 that women are going to choose a long-term uh boyfriend or husband based on uh hypergamy meaning

00:07:00.180 that they're going to date sideways and up so if they're climbing the socio-economic ladder that

00:07:06.640 just means that there's going to be fewer and fewer men that are uh acceptable to them and uh you know

00:07:13.980 like rich says it's not good it's not bad it just it just is it is what it is so that means that uh

00:07:21.240 you know pareto distribution if it was uh you know 20 of the guys getting 80 of the women

00:07:27.720 uh a couple decades ago i think over the next this could happen quickly two three five years

00:07:34.100 that's going to go to about uh you know five percent of the guys and there's going to be a

00:07:40.280 larger pool of women that are seeking those individuals but what that also means is there's

00:07:45.420 going to be a larger percentage of males that are just completely out of the picture like they

00:07:52.020 they they subconsciously they realize that they have zero chance of um of uh you know passing on

00:08:00.320 their dna and i think you get evolutional uh that's where you know a lot of the drive comes from so

00:08:07.160 you have a a setup where you've got fewer and fewer kids being produced being born so you have uh you know

00:08:16.800 fewer people which would have the opposite effect of the baby boomers you know we always hear how that

00:08:22.580 was a big boom for the economy because you had this huge glut of people coming into their spending years

00:08:28.160 and doing all these things and driving up asset prices and driving up home prices and consuming

00:08:33.000 if you have an economy that's 70 percent consumption that's a good thing for economic growth uh but now if

00:08:39.940 you've got fewer and fewer and fewer children being born you know that's a bad thing for now but it's a

00:08:45.280 really bad thing for 15 uh 20 years down the line so that's but again my point there is it's not just

00:08:53.240 with housing those demographic issues uh bleed through the entire economy now aaron uh you and i have

00:09:00.700 discussed the um i think and i've actually put this in my fourth book is the uh the article by um

00:09:06.720 morgan stanley the rise of the she economy yeah and um how and are you from uh aaron what were the

00:09:13.180 numbers on that do you remember i keep i keep going for it because i'm so i have so many statistics and

00:09:18.160 numbers in my previous book they blur together uh it was something like between 18 and 50 or 25 and 50

00:09:29.700 working age women i'm working age women between right whatever yeah four you know and roughly half

00:09:35.940 45 were going to be single and childless or without children so by 2030 yeah by 2030 yeah so don't quote

00:09:45.460 me on those numbers but a shockingly high percentage of women in their working age years will have never

00:09:52.300 married or had children and so and and this is this is something that you know a company like morgan

00:09:59.340 stanley is already predicting and using to forecast for investments for uh i mean they're they're at

00:10:07.000 least certain enough to put out a very detailed at the fact i think it's actually part of the blog now

00:10:12.900 um what you can do to sort of like plan ahead and like i don't know invest in cat food and box wine or

00:10:19.560 whatever it is you know for the future now my question is so first question is this is why do you think

00:10:25.260 that is why do you think that that that that demographic by i mean within the next let's say

00:10:31.840 nine years is going to be that significant at this stage and you're asking me yeah because they were

00:10:37.900 told because they were told to i've i've been wrestled with a with the human theory like how susceptible

00:10:44.760 are people to brainwashing indoctrination and i would say the vast majority are completely susceptible to

00:10:50.540 because i've seen it i've just seen it uh and for the longest time young women girls starting at five

00:10:57.980 lord knows even now with pre-k and and there's the book out called feminist baby uh the i know going

00:11:05.300 back to 1980 when i was just a little little runt uh it was already there yes we knew women didn't need

00:11:11.500 us yes we knew girls could do everything else uh and that has not only maintained itself uh but it's been

00:11:18.360 turned up to 15 20 25 exponentially uh and i've witnessed it i've seen it uh young women or maybe

00:11:25.940 not so young women anymore are responding to what they were told to do this is right this is what you

00:11:30.720 should do uh to a larger extent uh you don't need a man may they may would like to have one but they

00:11:37.360 don't need one and that's maybe they don't believe it but they act on it and you can see this in their

00:11:42.640 actions in their behaviors they are postponing marriage they are postponing children uh and in the

00:11:48.020 research for for my book i went through some polling data and where young women and not so young women

00:11:53.900 prioritize things in their life marriage and children depending on their age was not in the top

00:11:59.300 three sometimes not in the top two if they got a little bit older um and this just kicks family

00:12:05.140 formation children marriage uh down the road and what that has been replaced with men instead where

00:12:12.180 love and and husband and children uh has been career and self-actualization and i would also say

00:12:19.200 uh politics to a large regard or some kind of i want to call it a substitute for religion not

00:12:24.980 necessarily christianity or islam or judaism or something like that but feminism environmentalism uh

00:12:30.200 making change you know this um existential existential yeah and a substitute for agency where it's like okay

00:12:37.820 your career is there but what are you doing on the side well i'm a dog rescue would be another

00:12:42.900 perfect example uh it kind of runs the gambit um but that's that's why and they're doing what they

00:12:49.220 were told uh very much like us young men we did what we were nice guys you know we just we did what

00:12:54.680 we were told we're just the ones that seem to be waking up right now so that's that's why why i think

00:12:59.980 that's happening rich why do you think why do you think women are going to be single uh and childless

00:13:05.180 at least half let's just say within the next nine years well to add to what aaron's already listed

00:13:11.940 there which i co-sign um top shelf men are starting to avoid insufferable women you know they're starting

00:13:20.360 to realize that the juice ain't worth the squeeze um it's not worth exposing themselves and their

00:13:26.480 wealth to huge amounts of risk to hashtag boss girls that are you know going to make their life

00:13:34.660 difficult after they've been chasing excellence all day long they come home and you know get brow

00:13:38.920 beaten sort of thing um there's not a lot of uh incentive anymore to having families and children

00:13:45.820 i mean if you look at this you know the stats and the way that things have changed in the fabric of

00:13:51.060 uh you know the nuclear families changed over the uh century so um that leaves a lot of you know

00:13:58.140 women out to pasture to climb the corporate ladder you know collect cats and box wine subscriptions and um

00:14:03.660 you know go globalism feminism and all the other isms and big daddy states you know their favorite

00:14:09.500 lover now george do you have anything to add to that yeah i mean if you go through and do the math

00:14:16.980 on uh what most women's expectations are what what their um i don't want to say objectives but i guess for

00:14:25.600 lack of a better word we'll say objectives in trying to find a long-term relationship or a husband

00:14:31.460 you know they'll list all of these things well the guy's got to be straight okay he's got to be

00:14:37.400 between this age group he ideally he'd make this amount of money he's got to be a leader of men he's

00:14:43.240 got to pursue excellence he has to do all these things you know and um then you go through and say

00:14:49.440 okay well let's just assume that you live in a town of a million people and then you go through and

00:14:56.020 you say okay well how many men are there in this million people there's 500 000 well how many fall into this

00:15:00.880 age group okay well now maybe you've got uh 20 000 and how many of those guys are are you know fit all

00:15:07.660 these other categories what it boils down to is like five or six you know that's what all and that's

00:15:14.320 what all the gals want because again it goes back to hypergamy when they're increasing their

00:15:19.840 socioeconomic uh level you know and the guys aren't doing it at the same pace then there's going to be

00:15:27.140 fewer and fewer and fewer options that fit their checklist of what they're looking for and uh it

00:15:35.380 just it is what it is and it's uh you know women can say that's right wrong guys can get pissed off

00:15:41.860 about it but um i think that the powerful message for guys and women is that if guys just go out and do

00:15:50.320 what rich talks about you know it's it's if you just pursue excellence and you do not pursue women

00:15:56.900 uh you're going to have the best of both worlds and the women whatever woman you choose to be a part

00:16:04.060 of your life is going to have a much much much better experience and the relationship overall

00:16:09.700 is going to be much better because at the end of the day you guys know as well as i do that women

00:16:14.300 um they say they can say whatever but they they want a guy that's you know not an asshole or not

00:16:20.640 a prick or anything like that but a guy that can really take charge and someone that isn't afraid

00:16:25.840 to make a decision and someone that is decisive someone that's a leader of men and uh someone that

00:16:32.480 has a high degree of competency and ambition you know this is what really uh women respect in men and i

00:16:40.800 think that once um you know a lot of guys fall into the trap they get married and they think that

00:16:46.900 they don't have to worry about it anymore because it's till death do us part so i don't have to go to

00:16:51.600 the gym i don't have to continue to grow my business i don't have to continue to you know achieve a hundred

00:16:57.460 percent of my god-given potential and then once the the the gal sees that you know subconsciously that's

00:17:05.880 the biggest turnoff ever and um you know you guys know where it goes from there so my whole point

00:17:12.560 with the layering over economics is just to point out that i i think this trend will continue and

00:17:19.360 although jp morgan might have been looking at it from standpoint of consumption like consumer goods

00:17:24.480 what are they going to consume more i would look at it from a standpoint of uh demographics having

00:17:30.720 a real population problem and in a world and in an economy where you always have to continue to

00:17:38.080 create more debt and more dollars if you have a decreasing population that's a big problem and

00:17:45.280 then what happens is the government steps in and tries to counter uh act that with uh we'll call it

00:17:52.060 printing money for lack of a better term and then you have more money being created but you have fewer

00:17:57.200 goods and services and at the end of the day the wealth of the economy is a measurement of the

00:18:02.880 goods and services it can produce efficiently you know i i use the example a time if you're on a deserted

00:18:08.460 island and you had a billion dollars in a chest you know would you be rich or poor you'd be poor

00:18:15.560 because there's nothing to buy so the the amount of dollars in the system doesn't matter and this takes

00:18:21.400 as to ubi you know i think that the the part of the problem here is the welfare state if you go back

00:18:28.200 because it's allowed women to make decisions that they otherwise wouldn't make and again you can say

00:18:33.100 that's good but you got to look at the cost benefit analysis it's not just the benefit there's also a cost

00:18:39.580 involved in any decision where you're dealing with uh economics which is really defined by the

00:18:46.080 allocation of scarce resources with alternative uses you know and so i i think that it it's it's

00:18:54.660 more than just you know buying certain things and not buying other things because women are more control

00:18:59.680 over the majority of money being spent i think it's the the fact that this produces an environment

00:19:05.200 where the uh the free market isn't working at full capacity because so many men have been eliminated

00:19:12.660 out of the system and then you go and combine that with the fact that most of these young uh boys you

00:19:19.440 know that are the future entrepreneurs as well as the women but you know the guys really getting out

00:19:23.960 there and hustling and driving the economy forward it's always that top one percent of producers

00:19:29.520 you know i think rich knows that well and now we're in an environment because of the welfare state

00:19:34.740 where the majority of those young men who are extremely talented and the young women but i think this

00:19:40.740 inversely affects men more they're raised in a single family you know or single mother household and then

00:19:48.000 when they go to school 95 of the teachers are female so then they grow up in that environment and i think

00:19:54.960 that you know what does that do to society at large as far as our ability to start businesses to take risk

00:20:01.840 to to be leaders to go out there and solve problems to be ambitious to to create goods and services and

00:20:09.300 compete at a global level i think it decreases our ability to do that and the government fills the gap

00:20:15.560 with money printing which uh most likely creates consumer price inflation which i'll save for later in the

00:20:22.400 discussion because that's the viewers right now can do to actually protect themselves and maybe uh build

00:20:30.220 wealth and thrive and kind of this crazy environment that we're moving into yeah just to top up on what george

00:20:36.380 was saying there i just want to add this because i mean this is probably the first time in history

00:20:40.260 ever where we essentially have a gigafactory that makes betas on such a large level yeah right like

00:20:49.280 there's a lot of men today that aren't even involved with women period right right yeah i was gonna say

00:20:56.280 it's like there's it's not just like guys getting into a marriage and then sort of giving up it's guys

00:21:01.380 giving up on marriage altogether right giving up on women and then they're giving up on women not

00:21:07.320 even on marriage yeah yeah once the guy subconsciously subconsciously gives up hope that they can pass on

00:21:14.320 their dna that's a that's not that's a powder keg right there would you got can i destroy some hope

00:21:20.600 yeah go ahead okay i'm gonna destroy so if there was any remaining uh but what george was saying his

00:21:27.660 primary concern is that obviously humans are the source of all economic production is our population

00:21:32.200 shrinks that has bad tidings for the future economy but to put some numbers on this is why i put

00:21:38.400 together this is really just an actuarial study and this is the best statistics i could come up with um

00:21:43.880 to show you how little demand there is on the side of women interested in the average guy and that's

00:21:49.620 what this i had to assume a type of guy of stereotype just your average guy of five and assumptions and all

00:21:54.740 that made only 2.9 percent of women are really interested in your average guy right they are

00:22:01.360 more interested in careers the other things that we've talked about also sexual attraction as well

00:22:06.460 if you throw that in there as well and you have to think about what just a small eye of a needle

00:22:12.480 that puts the future of this particular population uh through like only less than five percent of the

00:22:21.420 women out there are willing to uh commit get with form families with the average guy and george is

00:22:28.140 right that's going to have a horrific effect on the future economic production of the united states or

00:22:34.040 let alone any other country with very low birth rates and if you think birth rates are low now

00:22:38.100 just wait i think it's the the uh first derivative is going to accelerate uh marriage rates

00:22:45.140 procreation rates fertility rates and things like that but it's already bad now for girls between

00:22:50.720 18 and 35 and going forward i can't imagine being uh much better but there is very little demand

00:22:57.300 uh for the average guy out there and then i don't know there's this hang on let me see i got it here

00:23:03.960 somewhere and social media exacerbates that problem right right you guys talked about many times

00:23:08.860 but but in order to in order to even be in the procreation game you maybe you should read this

00:23:14.680 book i don't know maybe you want to read that but you really got to be in a top elite class uh so

00:23:22.220 yeah this is definitely throwing a monkey into the uh reproductivity uh a monkey wrench in the

00:23:27.840 reproductivity machine and and by association by consequence the economy in the future yeah yeah it's

00:23:34.840 i mean the solution if you're able just to wave a magic wand is for women's standards to to lower

00:23:41.100 or for men to get that much better and i i don't see either of those happening uh right now

00:23:48.900 on an evolutionary on an evolutionary scale women are not going to give that up that's simply like

00:23:55.360 women look for quality they don't look for it like men are looking for quality quantity men women

00:23:59.400 look for quality yeah and so when that quality is paired with economic attractiveness like remember

00:24:06.500 those i was as far back as like 2018 2019 i was doing uh shows with pat campbell back then we were

00:24:13.180 talking about the uh the the research findings i guess that um that showed that you know women were

00:24:19.020 not finding guys economically attractive and that's actually one of the things that i've got on here is

00:24:23.440 is um is the fact that um that the idea of like say love or family formation or marriages for you know

00:24:33.080 however you want to you want to pair this up um when women are making more money than men

00:24:39.080 that is something that is like on an evolutionary level on an innate level on an instinctual level it's

00:24:45.160 hard for women to accept that regardless of i mean unless the guy has something that is really

00:24:49.960 like a 10 inch personality and is really yoked and really like satisfies that kind of alpha seed

00:24:55.440 side of hypergamy there's going to be problems um so when women get are in the workforce and uh even

00:25:03.040 if a couple starts out making exactly the same amount of money if that woman gets a a bonus or she

00:25:08.160 gets a raise or she gets a promotion of some sorts that is a precipitator of a divorce right there

00:25:13.900 and because women are looking for a guy who makes more money than them who has higher value than them

00:25:19.640 and that higher value takes the form of a lot of different things and primarily today in a

00:25:24.160 transactional nature it's it's it's money it's economics and i think that's probably one of the

00:25:30.080 reasons why women are going to be more lonely and and without without children and without marriage

00:25:36.540 and i think that right now we're kind of looking at a way of justifying that because we know it's

00:25:42.880 coming down the road so we start looking into alternative relationship styles where we look at the

00:25:47.660 marriage rate right now and this is where i wanted to go with this is my first uh my first

00:25:51.120 question for you guys is you know can we save marriage right now traditional con you know

00:25:57.540 conventional marriage between a man and a woman is uh is in the tank and we are at its lowest

00:26:03.660 percentage that it has ever been at since they started keeping records for this it was like six

00:26:08.200 and a half or six point one percent per one thousand and the age of first marriage in the united

00:26:15.160 states anyways keeps getting pushed back further and further right now it's 29.8 for men and 28.7 i

00:26:22.840 believe for women and in the uk it's even pushed back further than that so my question to to everybody

00:26:29.240 here is is can you save marriage is that like is there any way to do that considering that like

00:26:35.880 because none of you guys as far i'm pretty sure george isn't married i'm the only guy that's married on

00:26:41.280 this entire panel right here i know rich has been married before and i know i've asked this of of

00:26:46.000 of well certainly rich before it's like would you ever get married again i'm sure he's going to say

00:26:50.420 no or hell no that's still a hell no yeah yeah okay one of those one of those two is going to come up and

00:26:55.900 i know george is not married and i'm very certain that aaron although he has a i believe you have a

00:27:00.660 long-term girlfriend um is not married at all um and it's to you guys it is not even a

00:27:07.360 consideration at this point um you know people want to say well you got a unicorn you got lucky

00:27:12.280 rollo well okay but uh and i've said this in the past it's like if i found myself single tomorrow or

00:27:17.480 i widowed or divorced or whatever i would not ever want to get married again simply because i

00:27:22.260 understand the state of marriage and what it's about right now um so that said we're looking at

00:27:29.100 fertility rates that are in the tank we're looking at well divorce rates are down because

00:27:33.120 marriage rates are down and um marriage rates are at their lowest right now um we're pushing it we're

00:27:39.000 pushing back uh the age of first marriage further and further and further is there should we save

00:27:44.860 marriage that's maybe that's the question i should be asking should we save marriage should there be

00:27:48.940 something is there any kind of fix to this um i'll go first if you guys want to hop on the soapbox

00:27:57.680 here for a bit because i've i've put a lot of thought in this i have an entire chapter in my book on

00:28:02.220 why smart men don't marry today um should okay to answer the question should we save it save it for

00:28:10.360 what you know for who is it worth saving yeah well not for men absolutely not i mean there's it's it's

00:28:16.280 it's all uh risk with low with very low reward for men and it's low risk and higher reward for women

00:28:24.100 um the the social contract of marriage like the origins of marriage for a very long time if you're

00:28:32.160 read stephanie kunst's book um the history of marriage it was about the acquisition of in-laws

00:28:37.460 and even if there was a breakup in that relationship a few hundred years ago and she brought a few acres

00:28:44.400 of land to the table and i don't know a couple cows or something like that um he would usually keep

00:28:49.740 the kids and all the assets that were acquired during the you know merging of the families and she

00:28:55.460 would often go and live with her family or in some cases have to go and work in a brothel

00:28:59.400 um but that's changed completely um that entire scenario has been flipped upside down and then

00:29:06.320 smashed into the ground with a big sledgehammer uh it's been beaten dead there's there's really

00:29:12.320 very few advantages to marriage um you know for men today and then you mix into that equation so if

00:29:18.500 you take a blender and you take that ingredient you throw that into the blender and then you take

00:29:22.400 well most men today are weaker betas they don't know how to hold frame in a relationship they're

00:29:29.020 not red pill aware uh almost all guys will go through the process of betatization through a

00:29:34.760 thousand concessions let's throw in that ingredient um if she decides to pull the plug from underneath you

00:29:41.120 in a marriage and wants to get a divorce the state will make sure that she's well looked after and

00:29:45.760 there's a transfer of your resources you probably won't see your kids as much as you used to

00:29:50.080 some other guy that she starts porking will see your kids a lot more than you do throw that in

00:29:54.100 the blender and then you turn on the blender and you blend it up and you have yourself a nice big

00:29:57.960 shit shake there's really nothing in there to try to save um if if society wants to save marriage

00:30:05.920 this is what needs to happen i'll say it again women need to take off the pink pussy hats they need

00:30:10.500 to all get together and say you know what we want to get married we like the idea of marriage

00:30:14.380 i'm religious you know whatever insert reason here but it's too hostile towards men and they're

00:30:20.200 not marrying us so we want the state to change those laws to make them more balanced not even

00:30:26.480 fair but like more balance but i don't see that happening like why would women want to give up the

00:30:32.060 advantage that they have when there's so many gullible men lining up to wife up all of these women

00:30:38.380 today right so you know to answer the question of is it worth saving i mean if you've got a

00:30:43.920 functioning brain in your head and you've watched any of my content for a little bit it's hard to

00:30:49.060 conclude that it's worth saving aaron dude why aren't you married aaron oh my old man's been

00:30:55.740 divorced 18 19 20 i don't know then see my friends get divorced i don't know do you want do you want

00:31:01.480 to go dance on landmines i don't know um the uh i'll tell you why uh legally that is a hard no

00:31:12.740 that the legal risk facing men and maybe even women sometimes is it's not worth the government's way too

00:31:19.000 involved no so that's that's a deal breaker off that i even wrote these down and then let me count

00:31:24.400 the ways i'll just give you the main ones two men can't afford it young men can't afford it in part

00:31:29.280 because we've regulated the heck out of the economy we tax their ever living snot out of

00:31:33.740 productive men i mean all women want a guy that makes six figs well you know men would have the

00:31:38.280 same purchasing power if they weren't forking over 45 percent of their income at 67 000 a year so

00:31:44.600 young men 53 percent here my friend well that's because you're in you have that nice long-haired

00:31:49.980 trust fund baby as a president um women don't want to as per previous conversations they have

00:31:56.500 reprioritized career and things above that um and i'll i'll be perfectly blunt honest most women are

00:32:02.980 not i hate to use the word trained but prepared or conditioned or educated about what's like to be

00:32:10.980 a quality wife they all want to get married they all want to have kids but the heck if any of them

00:32:16.280 want to be a wife or a mother i mean it's oh kid came off the assembly line ship at the daycare mama

00:32:22.260 gotta go work and he better this he better that it's like hey selflessness altruism i love you more

00:32:28.840 than you love me i give him advice that that is i've said it many times before at best young women have

00:32:35.620 been uh conditioned to be adversarial i'm sorry competitive against men and at worst adversarial

00:32:41.160 there are very co-read it i didn't pull it out of my ass there are very few marriageable women there

00:32:51.300 are very few young women today who are even capable of a serious and mature relationship

00:32:56.760 such as marriage uh so there's that and then as to whether marriage is worth saving right no not

00:33:02.660 it's current condition it's not marriage this is a this is a very convoluted tax this is a very

00:33:07.420 convoluted wealth transfer scheme um it and we haven't even talked about how horrific it is for

00:33:14.140 children uh but it will it will inevitably form it formed naturally throughout human history uh but

00:33:21.320 it's just going to take a genuine economic collapse it's going to take an elimination of of law like

00:33:27.420 like it's going to have to happen that pad this women are going to sit down and say okay okay well

00:33:33.200 all right we've gone it's not going to happen it's going to be like where's the water holy crap where's

00:33:37.980 where's the electricity and then we're going to go back to reset we're going to go through everything

00:33:42.820 humanity had to learn going all the way back to the mesopotamians say hey you know what we should

00:33:49.240 come up with an agreement a social contract and we're going to reformulate the exact same rules

00:33:54.840 that we did before uh and maybe we'll do it all again in the year 4580 but it will the human race

00:34:01.920 wishes to continue and grow economically beyond a subsistence farming type of existence it will return

00:34:09.200 but we are going to have to have this entire system collapse people are going to have to have

00:34:13.120 their nose put into reality as to what it takes to survive and support a family without the assistance

00:34:19.540 of government um until that happens that no there's no reason men should get married there's no reason

00:34:25.600 women should get married and there's no reason to salvage this frankenstein version of of marriage

00:34:30.620 that we have today george what do you think about this yeah like the reason i might want to

00:34:35.620 before you answer let me just give you a little food for thought here when i was watching your

00:34:41.340 whiteboard thing about you know the housing market and forming families and and the idea of like these

00:34:46.540 families who would have to would be predicated let's just say on a conventional form of marriage

00:34:51.740 is affecting the housing market or affecting people's like certainly their buying power and everything

00:34:56.640 else um is it worthwhile for us to even like consider like trying to find some way to sort of

00:35:05.520 sell like salvage maybe not maybe save is not the word like maybe reimagine reimagine it or or or put it

00:35:13.800 into a different context would that be of value from an economic perspective well you know i don't know

00:35:21.800 even if it was i don't know how you'd execute you know because then it goes back to central planning

00:35:26.680 and we definitely don't want any more central planning than we already have especially in the

00:35:31.700 united states and and canada you know how do you make that a loss it's got to be a bottoms up it's

00:35:36.980 got to be something that men and women uh both understand and and want to pursue uh even if it's not

00:35:43.780 marriage even if just a long-term relationship where two parties are committed to each other and want to

00:35:49.600 start and raise and grow a family you know whatever you want to call that uh but it needs to there needs

00:35:56.420 to be awareness on both sides as to what the issue is and then come to some sort of common ground by

00:36:03.700 changing the law or the incentive structure in order for us to you know not just have marriage into the

00:36:10.560 future but have have uh a growing society from a standpoint of population and that that's healthy

00:36:17.760 so um it's just it's it's getting from a to b is is difficult because of the narratives right now

00:36:26.880 that are being pushed so heavily uh in society and because we as human beings struggle when it comes

00:36:34.640 to doing a cost benefit analysis on uh things like you know let's use an as an example a gal that wants to

00:36:41.240 become a professional and climb the corporate ladder fantastic that that that's that's great i'm all for it

00:36:47.760 but they need to understand the the the cost of doing that and so few uh of them do because society

00:36:56.960 will say well you can have it all you can have everything well actually you really can't have

00:37:00.960 everything guys can't have everything women can't have everything so you have to make choices you have

00:37:06.780 to understand that if you pursue this career uh you might not be able to have as many kids and it just

00:37:13.060 it is what it is you know but you have to be conscious that you're making those decisions

00:37:18.060 and i think uh you know either neither party is really conscious of what's going on but one thing i

00:37:25.060 wanted to uh say you know aaron was talking about uh or alluding to now we need two um income families

00:37:35.060 and i think that's a big part of this you know uh if we didn't need two income families uh this

00:37:43.300 family unit i think would be much more uh easy to maintain and also too you know if you look at

00:37:52.440 jordan peterson's work which i'm sure you guys i know you guys have heard you talk about it on sweden

00:37:57.600 as an example when you get societies that are the most egalitarian you find that left to their own

00:38:04.320 devices women usually uh take on roles that you would assume historically that they would take on

00:38:10.140 and pursue things that they historically have been interested in and same thing with guys so if we can

00:38:16.380 just get out of the way and leave people to their own devices then i think that there's a a brighter

00:38:22.560 future but going back to the the two income family you know most people don't realize that when the fed

00:38:29.060 was created in 1913 and this is the the federal reserve uh the the u.s uh you know reserve bank or

00:38:37.280 central bank and um since then the dollar has lost about 95 97 percent of its value uh so what does that

00:38:46.700 mean that means that let's say we have a two percent compounded inflation rate or a three percent

00:38:51.700 meaning the price of the stuff that you buy is going up at three percent compounded per year

00:38:57.000 okay well that's a big problem because if you're just in the past if you were able to just put your

00:39:03.960 money your dollars in the bank and that maintained its purchasing power well that means that that money

00:39:11.360 over time increases in value and therefore if you're saving money doing the prudent thing you're going

00:39:17.920 to get ahead in life and you're going to get to a point where there's generational wealth and one

00:39:23.460 party doesn't have to work but if we continue this game which the fed has has tried since 1913 and

00:39:30.460 achieved of where you have continued inflation what that does is it makes it so people can't save money

00:39:36.580 they have to put their money in the stock market they have to put their money in the housing market they

00:39:40.860 have to do something speculative to get ahead and a lot of times since wages lag uh real wages lag or

00:39:49.500 wages lag the price of inflation therefore real wages you see them stagnant you know since the 1970s

00:39:55.260 or so that means that the the woman or the man there needs to be two incomes coming into the family

00:40:00.840 and that goes back to the kids being raised uh you know strictly by women and it's uh again you know

00:40:08.380 that using the analogy that uh that rich used or you throw all this stuff into a blender and

00:40:14.040 economically i think it means more inflation in the future it means more money printing and it means

00:40:20.720 fewer goods and services being created it means the it's not that there's this utter collapse of the

00:40:25.980 entire system but it means the standard of living uh continues to go down unless we're able to get on a

00:40:33.100 different path where we're both uh parties you know men and women are understanding the issue

00:40:39.260 and we want to get back to what we've historically done for millions or hundreds of thousands or tens

00:40:45.520 of thousands of years where we're put on this planet to uh to procreate you know fortunately that's the

00:40:52.900 way we're hardwired i was gonna um i'll just throw my two cents in here real quickly is that um i think

00:40:59.240 that what we're seeing right now is with respect to marriage in a conventional sense is we're seeing

00:41:04.220 a fundamental reimagining of the relationship between men and women as a result of bringing

00:41:09.840 women into like say the workforce or making them putting them into a position of social power that

00:41:15.000 we have after the sexual revolution so right now we're looking at things like you know poly relationships

00:41:22.000 or we're looking at you know quote-unquote equal partnerships or an egalitarian kind of ideal

00:41:27.320 in in relationships which simply doesn't work because and we can see that it doesn't work because

00:41:33.120 now here we are in the 21st century and we have access to the data that shows us that when a woman

00:41:38.640 gets a you know an increase in pay or she gets a you know promotion at work that precipitates divorce

00:41:44.760 why well because innately speaking that woman wants a guy who is more valuable who is taller stronger

00:41:51.020 more protective all you know the three p's provisioning protection and parental investment

00:41:55.480 and if that guy cannot provide if that guy cannot make as much money and that's how we that's the

00:42:01.040 only metric that women really have right now if that guy's not making that much money he's economically

00:42:05.720 unattractive she doesn't want to marry that guy and she doesn't want to pair with that guy

00:42:09.380 because on an evolutionary level that makes her feel insecure right now he's dead weight he's somebody

00:42:16.500 that he's another child that she has to be responsible for in the family to some degree whether he's you know

00:42:22.180 whether he's making a lot of money or he's not uh he's making less than she is and so therefore um she is uh

00:42:28.740 she's responsible for another you know for his security whereas you know from an evolutionary perspective

00:42:34.420 it should be the other way around where the guy is so so convincing women to like when when rich was saying

00:42:40.620 you know well we have to or rich and aaron and everybody else saying you know well we've got to find some way

00:42:44.420 to sort of convince women that that that shouldn't be the case it's like saying

00:42:47.640 it's like saying men should be attracted to fat chicks right saying that like it's it's like

00:42:53.180 saying something that's fundamentally it goes against our innate natures that's never going

00:42:57.280 to happen with women but what we've done is we've given women the option to say okay you can you can

00:43:02.960 be in control of your own security you can have all the benefits of sort of this new order way of

00:43:06.880 thinking but you have all you're still based in your old order innate biological needs for these guys to be

00:43:13.640 who they are and what they ought to be so what you what you see i think one of the things that's

00:43:18.020 sort of like a rude awakening i think for most guys right now is when they saw those at the um

00:43:23.020 the data sets for um women finding men economically unattractive they also asked well what would make a

00:43:30.600 man economically attractive and they found that the man had to make at least as much data as they did

00:43:36.500 plus 58 percent more that made a guy economically attractive that's that put him up into at least the

00:43:43.320 quote-unquote you know high value man uh 14 percent when did the numbers 14 of men yes yes and so

00:43:50.140 like you said the eye of the needle kind of thing and i think the the root awakening is this is that

00:43:54.520 most men approach love from an idealistic perspective we think that love should matter just for the sake

00:43:59.840 of love right because we tend to be idealists we tend to look out at the world instead of in at

00:44:03.980 ourselves which is really where women start to look right they're they're more interested in people

00:44:08.300 and men tend to be more interested in things right as a result of that when we talk about like how

00:44:13.680 women don't want to get with a guy who's economically unattractive what that does is it exposes the game

00:44:18.420 women love opportunistically and women are men love idealistically how do we know that well we can see

00:44:24.900 that women don't want to marry guys who don't make more enough don't make the kind of money that they do

00:44:29.180 you give women enough money and you give them enough financial like we're i'm i'm looking at the stats

00:44:33.920 right here this is from uber facts is worldwide females earn 18 trillion dollars but they spend 28

00:44:39.680 trillion dollars that to me sounds a lot like opportunism right there um the other stat was

00:44:46.040 this is uh you know american women hold two-thirds of student debt so when you look at things like this

00:44:51.580 it's like yeah women want to find either a guy that's going to help them pay that debt or they're

00:44:55.520 going to vote for the guy who's going to say yeah we're going to absolve all of your student debt

00:44:58.800 and puts you in the presidency because you that's that was part of your your presidential platform

00:45:03.680 was to get us out of debt so to me that sounds a lot like opportunism right there so when when we're

00:45:10.140 looking at those things it sort of is a rude awakening for guys who want to believe that they're

00:45:15.200 they're sort of you know their their love ideal is based on i love you just as much as you love me it's

00:45:20.520 like well women and men are approaching that in marriage approaching love approaching solving their

00:45:26.200 reproductive problems and everything else from different perspectives and we can see that in

00:45:30.360 black and white now that we have access to the internet we have access to all of this this stuff

00:45:34.400 and so and then finally is this is that i think that in the future we're starting to see this you

00:45:39.000 know polyamory we're starting to see you know really polygamy is what it is and this is an old school

00:45:45.100 uh roycey quote which is you know women would rather share a high value alpha than be saddled with a

00:45:51.080 faithful beta loser and so what's happening right now is is the high the really super high value guys

00:45:57.480 are they're going to be the ones who are going to be the cads who are going to end up out breeding the

00:46:01.400 dads because those dads are not as they're they might be raising the children of the guys that women

00:46:07.000 want to get with and want to have sex with and want to reproduce with but those other guys as long as

00:46:11.400 they are beta males who are economically unattractive and in other ways unattractive as as rich was saying

00:46:18.000 before is like they're not on their game they're not on their they're not trying to become the best

00:46:22.660 you know man that they can they can possibly be if they don't even just check out of the game

00:46:26.960 you know entirely what happens then is we have a society that has to adjust for that so right now

00:46:33.280 when when we talk about we when we make single dads or stepdads superheroes we're basically saying

00:46:38.980 you know give up your your any any claim you have to your own paternity and that's okay and women

00:46:44.760 will say you know a real man is a guy who steps up and takes over even if the kid's not his when

00:46:50.440 we start popularizing narratives like that it's as a result of trying to change over to a new form

00:46:56.580 of relationship and that's what i think is going to end up replacing modern conventional marriage right

00:47:01.940 now so that means a lower population and what they're trying to do is they're trying to invent

00:47:07.600 these new categories of like marriages and relation like society lies to women as much as it does to

00:47:14.360 men right i mean like one of the more common ones is you start to see a lot of these shows and like

00:47:20.240 video clips of these uh career driven women with the stay-at-home father and then they portray you

00:47:27.500 know the family unit as a modern family marriage it's a modern family it's very successful everybody's

00:47:32.900 happy except for when you look at the guy he's a brow beaten plow horse you know that they're not

00:47:38.840 banging maybe they have like transactional sex once every three months or something like that

00:47:43.660 and you can see it in her face she's not happily married to this guy she does not look up to him

00:47:50.420 there's no way that she ever looks up to a guy like that the clock is ticking down to the end of that

00:47:55.520 relationship at some point but again women will consume these narratives hook line and sinker yeah i can go

00:48:01.100 you know climb the corporate ladder go feminism women are equal to men blah blah blah and they go

00:48:05.980 and fabricate these new families which don't last you know they don't serve the children properly they

00:48:12.540 serve as hell don't serve the man and woman properly i i responded to a guy i forget what

00:48:19.640 what conversation this was from but somebody had said something about how or maybe i was doing a

00:48:24.340 breakdown video and somebody had said something about how men should have the opportunity to be stay-at-home

00:48:29.360 dads if they want to and that that should be some sort of ennobling i blame mr mom wasn't that a

00:48:36.820 movie in the 80s yeah keaton yeah as if that should be some sort of that's when it started yeah and like

00:48:42.120 that there's like this large demographic of guys who are just pining over the fact that they can't be

00:48:46.880 like stay-at-home moms like like you know like a mom right like the mr mom narrative and i'm just like

00:48:52.120 there are literally no guys that want to do that there's i mean and if there are it is such a minuscule

00:48:58.240 percentage of guys that really want to do something like that and it's not because they're assholes and

00:49:02.980 it's not because they're not you know evolved males or anything like that it's because that

00:49:07.440 goes against their innate biological imperatives is what it is you know most you know what's

00:49:13.100 interesting to me is like even even in in light of human males investment in their own offspring

00:49:19.960 it's very rare in the animal kingdom for men or for excuse me for for male animal male mammals at

00:49:25.260 least to be invested in the in the upbringing of their own offspring it's usually left to the to

00:49:30.020 the females to do something like that and men are actually more invested even as much as they can be

00:49:34.860 right now but when we see how marriage is a an all downside contract for guys that's by design

00:49:41.540 that's but that's that we're we're there right now because we're trying to figure out how we're going to

00:49:46.460 allow women to maintain this old order ideal where they want to have the best of the best they still

00:49:53.040 have to have they're still you know their mating strategy still hypergamy they're still interested

00:49:57.000 in quality but yet the the new order benefits which is you can go and get your go get your degree

00:50:03.780 and go get become a doctor and go get your you know you're going to be lonely those are going to be

00:50:07.580 the the results of that are going to be in the future in 2030 the likelihood of you being a prime

00:50:14.260 working age woman who is single and no children and unmarried are high are much more likely as a result

00:50:22.040 of that so we're we're trying to tell women that they don't have these these consequences aren't

00:50:27.320 going to be affecting them when in fact they are and then when they get to that point then that's a

00:50:32.320 bridge that they'll cross when they get to that point but in the meantime we have to find some way

00:50:36.940 to convince them as rich was saying here before whether it's through popular media or through you

00:50:41.140 know pop culture through through television shows or stories or whatever the popular narrative is

00:50:45.860 is that this is the new way that we're doing things and we're still that new way is conflicting

00:50:51.340 with the old order innate biological evolutionary imperatives of human beings that's just how the

00:50:56.680 machine works that's just how we evolved so there's that side okay so my next my next question is this and

00:51:02.280 i'm gonna i'm gonna lead up to uh to this really quickly here and and george you're probably gonna love

00:51:06.460 this one uh i'm picking up these stats from uh a website called uh zero hedge i'm you're familiar with

00:51:13.020 them or not sure um this was from uh this is a this was from december of 2020 why is there an

00:51:20.020 increasing share of women that are leaving the labor force now that's not the stat that i thought was

00:51:24.820 interesting these they did a graphic analysis of this i'm just going to read it to you because it's

00:51:29.000 they'll just go quicker that way from 1973 to 1975 higher female lfp which is labor force participation

00:51:36.920 and lower male labor for lfp okay so and i can read you the numbers here but it's anyway

00:51:43.000 it's uh you know males declined by 0.7 percent uh for women it rose by 1.5 percent and that's

00:51:48.800 between 1973 and 1975 1980 to 82 higher higher female lfp lower lower male lfp in fact for women it was

00:51:59.700 up 3.2 percent whereas for men it fell 0.6 percent 1990 to 1991 higher excuse me flat lfp for females

00:52:09.820 higher for males during that time and then during 2001 right after 9 11 lower females versus a higher

00:52:19.740 male lfp um and from 2008 to 2009 higher female lfp to lower male lfp and um again for for women it rose

00:52:30.500 by 0.4 percent um and that i there's i'll give i'll put the the link to this article in here but

00:52:36.480 then of course right after um 2020 right when during the pandemic now we see a lower or excuse

00:52:44.180 me an increasing share of women are leaving the labor force right there so that's that's number

00:52:48.680 one uh number two is this and this is also from zero hedge the u.s economy is now run by women okay

00:52:55.420 so so much for the patriarchy at the top of the helm in president biden's economic cabinet are numerous

00:53:02.060 women for example treasury secretary janet yellen commerce secretary gina raymond raymondo uh trade

00:53:09.340 czar katherine ty all collectively help run the economy many of president biden's economic advisors

00:53:16.080 are also women reuters noted this week okay uh the effects of having women in charge of the economy

00:53:22.560 are already being noted biden's 2.3 trillion dollar spending plan includes 400 billion dollars of

00:53:29.840 support for jobs that take care of kids and seniors treasury secretary janet yellen has pointed out

00:53:35.700 that uh pointed to a focus on human infrastructure so that uh and then of course and this is also part

00:53:42.840 of this i won't read the whole thing but it says women also run finance ministries in 16 and 14 of the

00:53:49.000 world's central uh 16 countries and 14 of the world's central banks right now so what we're looking at i

00:53:55.100 think and in terms of economics is concerned we're looking at a female control of not just the u.s

00:54:01.120 economy but world economies as well so my question is this how has feminism or gynocentrism affected

00:54:07.700 economics and and can you speak to to what you're seeing as far as you know being the economics guys

00:54:14.500 what what what effect do you think that that is having well i think it that's uh i think you opened up

00:54:20.800 a can of worms there that that you might not have intended to open up so uh i believe that if you

00:54:29.420 look at the the way dollars are created i shouldn't say i believe this is this is accurate um in the

00:54:36.420 past usually it's the commercial banking system when they create a loan they created an additional

00:54:42.320 dollar that did not exist before where the commercial banking system has been run for many many many

00:54:49.420 decades so now we're in an environment where it's a it's this hybrid system where you have the

00:54:55.980 commercial banking system actually creating fewer dollars they're doing fewer loans since those ppp

00:55:01.380 loans we saw in what was it march or april of 2020 so the amount of dollars in the system based on that

00:55:09.360 statistic alone should be going down therefore we should be seeing significant deflation but what's

00:55:14.440 happening is the government is coming in u.s government and spending all of these this uh

00:55:19.620 deficit spending for infrastructure and for this and for that and it's being monetized by the fed so

00:55:25.080 you see a counterbalance where those dollars are actually increasing and making up for the lack of

00:55:29.780 dollars that are being created by the commercial banking system okay you say george so what what does

00:55:35.580 that have to do with what we're talking about um it means that the fed is is not central to the

00:55:41.760 dollar uh and and and in order for the fed to be central to the dollar uh they need to control the

00:55:50.020 lending in the real economy they need to control the amount of dollars that are being produced

00:55:54.900 therefore they can have a better control over inflation which is what the government needs to

00:55:59.280 pay all these bills right and and the only way that they get there is through a central bank digital

00:56:03.840 currency okay so why is this a big deal because if the fed is in charge of lending into the real

00:56:10.360 economy which by the way was alexander hamilton's original idea with the very first central bank

00:56:15.800 we had in the united states is that it would be an entity that could lend into the real economy

00:56:21.520 but if the fed is doing this there's a big difference between the fed lending and a commercial bank lending

00:56:26.840 and the fact that a commercial bank is constrained by a pnl so they have to lend based on people who are

00:56:33.700 going to most likely pay them back or they're going to go bust you see that's why we have a credit score

00:56:39.220 as an example um a central bank doesn't have to do that they don't have that constraint because they

00:56:44.840 can print dollars they can print bank reserves so if they issue a loan for a mortgage to xyz person

00:56:51.600 they don't necessarily have to do it on their credit score because it's not that big of a deal if they

00:56:56.920 don't get paid back because they're not going to go bust so why that's important is because if you

00:57:03.080 have women that are running the show let's say uh then we have a dollar that's totally in the control

00:57:13.300 of the central planners and if those central planners are women or men or any political party

00:57:18.600 they can start issuing credit favorably to certain groups and making other groups uh pay a higher interest

00:57:27.100 rate as an example you could have monetary policy down to the individual level so let's just say that

00:57:32.980 we're part of this um gynocentric social order i think is how you'd say it correct okay well if

00:57:39.560 that's true and if we've got more and more women that are calling the shots and the central planners

00:57:43.780 now have control completely over the dollar therefore lending you could see an environment where a lot of

00:57:50.400 the lending and favoritism is going to that group that has political favor uh whether that's women

00:57:57.480 or or some sort of xyz disadvantaged group but i can tell you the group that's probably not going

00:58:05.040 to be getting uh the favorable interest rates based on their social score will be uh will be straight men

00:58:12.500 who are out there basically yeah but so i just wanted to throw that in there because it's not just about

00:58:23.060 women controlling spending if we can if we see this continue it's going to potentially be about women

00:58:29.420 controlling the dollar itself and controlling every aspect of lending throughout our entire economy

00:58:37.880 whether that's for consumption whether that's for productivity you name it and i'm not saying that's

00:58:43.100 bad or good i'll let the viewers decide for themselves but that's uh that's really the bottom line

00:58:48.520 what we're looking at if it goes that direction aaron did you have something to add to that

00:58:54.040 kind of no george took an interesting route through the control of lending through central banks and the

00:58:59.300 only thing i was going to point out is because you're talking about all these women that are in

00:59:02.800 various positions of power and finance ministries that's not the economy that's the government uh which

00:59:08.560 is largely if we're going to look at it through that lens is an affirmative action program and you said 14

00:59:13.000 out of 16 western nations what oh the same 14 out of 16 nations that have horrific finances like

00:59:18.360 we do so the only thing that i guess would depend to what george said is that with women in positions

00:59:24.620 of levers of power in government or the public sector you're going to have uh more government

00:59:30.060 spending whether that's through taxation or money printer go burr uh which would create a an increased

00:59:37.060 welfare state which either through inflation or higher taxation or more likely a combination of both

00:59:43.720 uh the real economy both men and women are going to have to work harder uh to make real gdp and not

00:59:51.340 to mention make honest on the the lending and the inflation but what i was looking at because your

00:59:55.920 question roll was what is the effect of feminism on the economy or what has it been yeah yeah yeah i'm

01:00:01.600 focusing more on the actual economy itself um classical simple economic theory more women entering the

01:00:08.320 labor force more labor productivity higher gdp and that did that more or less did hold but uh if you

01:00:16.100 look at the labor productivity and you have to do this over time uh it wasn't as much of an increase

01:00:23.720 on a per person basis and you could see this uh in what i would call charity or welfare or make work

01:00:31.020 government jobs programs if women what if women went in and were engineers accountants um electricians

01:00:39.180 tradesmen linemen uh people who actually produce real gdp we'd have that but i've said this before

01:00:45.240 a tragically high percentage of women are going into the labor force to take care of other women

01:00:50.920 who are going into the labor force to take care of other women's children to take care because they're

01:00:55.260 too busy working because they got to work their job to take care of other women's children where it's

01:00:58.700 like well if you just stayed at home you wouldn't be paying taxes on it we've essentially taxed

01:01:02.900 motherhood we've made it a taxable transaction but you throw in all these other jobs that are either

01:01:07.780 completely bogus and there's not a penny of real production diversity inclusion uh professionals

01:01:14.540 worthless teachers worthless professors worthless sociologists worthless social workers worthless they

01:01:22.260 have not resolved one problem produce one thing of gdp and so when you look at the efficacy or the

01:01:28.140 efficiency of women entering the labor force it was not the same punch had it been doubling of the

01:01:33.900 male labor force so there was an increase in labor productivity uh but not as much as it would have

01:01:40.380 been had we all been working real jobs and so now what has happened is kind of this quasi bizarre world

01:01:46.680 where there are certainly women who are cpas doctors surgeons and there are obviously but a higher

01:01:54.020 percentage of them are in these essentially welfare jobs programs the ego employment is essentially what

01:02:00.420 it is and that and there's sociological consequences kids don't have their parents around well there's

01:02:07.500 stress on marriages uh divorce we could go through all that other stuff but financially it would also cause

01:02:13.760 some supply uh some supply uh based inflation you're right because we're forking over a hundred dollars and

01:02:22.580 normally you forked it over to a predominantly male labor force you get a hundred widgets now we're

01:02:28.380 forking over two hundred dollars we should get 200 widgets but we're only getting about 180 because

01:02:33.220 20 of the additional widgets are make work broken window fallacy government affirmative action charity you know

01:02:39.620 non-profit there's a huge big goose egg for the u.s so um that's that's been the effect there have been

01:02:48.200 some genuine economic gains uh but uh there's been an increase in the welfare state uh not as direct

01:02:55.600 correlation efficient economic gains as there should have been and so now as a society we all kind of pay a

01:03:01.400 price in eating those uh inflationary costs yeah that's the bottom line is everything we're talking

01:03:07.120 about as inflationary if you're looking at it from an economic standpoint because even janet yellen

01:03:11.600 you know it's very what they call dovish which means that she's uh an economist that favors more money

01:03:17.740 printing uh looser money you know lower interest rates and then you know one of the advisors is

01:03:23.480 stephanie kelton who is kind of the the author of of of mmt uh so you combine those things together

01:03:30.760 and it goes right back to what aaron was saying with uh you know propensity for a lot of money

01:03:35.360 printing to specialty products one of the basis of mmt is a jobs guarantee program so uh but those jobs

01:03:42.540 of course are allocated by the government not the private sector and we know how efficient the

01:03:47.340 government allocates resources to correct you george she was not the first author of mmt that

01:03:52.460 that was carl marx he's like no no i don't say the first author yeah yeah but um so yeah i mean i think

01:04:00.200 people should if they're in the united states and if they're in one of these economies that are headed

01:04:05.000 this direction i mean a be aware of it and then um b you know set up a financial plan that will most

01:04:13.280 likely benefit from the profligate spending of uh of the government if if we go down this path which i

01:04:20.340 think the probabilities are high you know in the short run you know the next year or two who knows

01:04:24.880 what happens to the dollar uh the whole system wants to deflate but i just think that based on what

01:04:30.460 we're just saying you see more inflation so yeah you'd want to hold some gold for sure uh you'd want

01:04:36.680 to hold something like bitcoin that doesn't have any counterparty risk or limited counterparty risk

01:04:41.580 and then you know you want to hold hard assets and then you want to secure those hard assets

01:04:47.400 with and i know i don't think you have this in canada rich correct me if i'm wrong but ideally you'd

01:04:52.680 want to hold that positive cash flowing asset with 30 year fixed rate mortgage because you're going to

01:04:57.520 be paying that mortgage back with highly devalued dollars which is a transfer of wealth from the

01:05:04.380 bank to you and i can explain that further but that's kind of broad stroke uh you know my my advice

01:05:11.980 to people from a investment standpoint i was going to drag rich into this really quickly too because

01:05:17.540 you just did like what a couple weeks ago you did a show about how you were just basically fed up

01:05:22.600 with canada and the 53 or 62 i don't even know what it was the percentage of you know uh taxes

01:05:29.740 you're paying as well as the luxury tax for owning i guess a mclaren both of which by the way rich and

01:05:35.080 george gammon own mclaren so they're just i was actually going to wear my mclaren beanie today just

01:05:40.580 like in the cool kids club but um rich's rich's is a lot better than mine but rich is so rich was

01:05:48.040 talking about this on on a show that he was just saying look i'm i've got a one-year plan to get out

01:05:52.760 of this uh of this country and to go buy a boat somewhere um and then but as part of that discussion

01:05:59.520 rich and this is to bring you into this is is part of that discussion you were saying like the money

01:06:03.720 that you are spending like the taxes that you are spending is going to programs that you don't agree

01:06:08.880 with that you don't you don't want i don't want critical race theory i don't maybe that's not what

01:06:13.040 they teach in canada but like as far as like where the money is being go is headed to so as in that

01:06:20.000 respect um how has like say feminism gynocentrism affected where that money is going in canada i don't

01:06:26.660 know enough about canadian economics and government to to speak yeah the tax rates are much like if you

01:06:32.780 think the tax rates in a place like california are high you know i invite you to come live somewhere

01:06:36.940 where it's cold seven months of the year and you're tax higher and they cram just as much if not

01:06:44.040 more liberalism and socialist you know agenda down your throat everywhere you go um so yeah like has

01:06:51.360 has it affected the economy absolutely because guys that do the work you know guys that put a dent

01:06:57.760 to universe that go and create commerce which by the way i know i mean i can count them on two hands

01:07:04.080 now but i know probably about 15 very successful entrepreneurs and i can count on two hands how many

01:07:11.760 of them have have packed their bags and moved their business out of canada in the last two years

01:07:15.680 and the tipping point for most of them was like the pandemic lockdown bullcrap it was like okay i was

01:07:22.680 i was dealing with the cold winters i was dealing with the high tax rates not being able to maneuver

01:07:27.480 and following these silly rules for something that kills almost nobody is just i'm done i'm out that was

01:07:33.480 that was the last straw so to the point of the wealth transfer yeah they treat highly successful

01:07:39.580 people which for the most part is men you know like running these businesses paying the huge tax rates

01:07:45.080 like tax cattle and they steal from them and they put it into programs and agendas which i don't agree

01:07:52.240 with much which most of these guys also don't agree with um but it you know everybody's got to vote

01:07:58.920 every every citizen of canada can cast a vote but most people in canada vote for policies that

01:08:06.880 endorse and facilitate mediocrity it like there's no incentive for anybody to start up a business in

01:08:13.740 canada and i tell guys all the time you know they call in my live show and like hey i want to move to

01:08:17.300 canada and start a business i'm like don't come here there's better places in the world that you can set

01:08:21.620 up a business where the environment is more friendly to you and is more conducive to success

01:08:27.540 yeah um so there's that point i also wanted to touch on something else because you were opening

01:08:32.060 with that stat on women leaving the workforce yeah yeah right labor force participation so

01:08:37.200 interesting story because i was married to a lawyer and um you know there's a lot of these group events

01:08:44.600 that they uh host with the law firms and this is common with all female professionals i noticed

01:08:50.460 after a while is they get into the workforce they get their piece of paper on the wall framed in

01:08:56.620 mahogany with little letters after their name saying how important they are and what they've done in

01:09:00.860 life they'll climb the corporate ladder they'll make some money they'll make six figures maybe

01:09:04.780 150 000 a year and then they'll start to realize well hold on a second i'm 34 ish my eggs are starting

01:09:11.400 to dry up i need to figure out the baby sort of thing uh i can't work 22 hours a day in a law firm

01:09:19.280 because it's ridiculous like like it's killing them like these women age a lot faster than regular

01:09:23.680 women that aren't working 22 hours a day and what they do is they either put themselves on a part-time

01:09:29.120 basis so they're working way fewer hours once they find a guy that has adequate provisioning

01:09:34.080 or um they'll move from um a high stress environment like a law firm working 20 hours a day as a junior

01:09:41.920 lawyer into in-house counsel at let's say a corporation or a bank and a lot of these institutions

01:09:49.680 have like their entire in-house legal team which can consist of 100 120 lawyers you know in some cases

01:09:57.460 depending on the size of the corporation and almost all of them are all women right so some of them

01:10:03.740 leave the labor force some of them cut back the work hours to part-time some of them leave you know

01:10:07.580 the high stress environments and they go to the more um easier sort of pastors to go and you know

01:10:13.580 work out the rest of their years that so they can try to raise a family find a guy and you know lock it

01:10:17.820 down so that's another part of the equation too yeah yeah yeah yeah they favor a work-life balance

01:10:24.080 which there is no work-life balance you can't yeah yeah when you're an entrepreneur and if you're

01:10:29.020 building a business um it's all about focus i've seen i've seen female entrepreneurs from eo in the

01:10:35.820 chapter in toronto get pregnant have a baby and then go back to work two years later or sorry not

01:10:40.820 two two weeks later and then they just dump off the kid with some you know filipino nanny to raise a

01:10:46.780 child right if you go and you look at and i i tweeted this out not too long ago if you go and you look

01:10:52.160 at the top 10 richest women in the world every single woman on that list made her money by either

01:10:58.880 divorce or by inheriting it from a dead husband or dead father yeah and and i mean the richest woman

01:11:06.100 mckenzie bezos i think is like number five on that list actually yeah then she gave away half the money

01:11:10.840 to feel good charities like right away that'll solve the problem that'll everything's gonna be okay

01:11:15.840 that'll cure the world right yeah exactly i i i we're coming up on time and i want i still i want to

01:11:22.320 get to the uh the the part where uh we're going to talk about like how can men benefit from this

01:11:27.100 although i do want to make a go later i got give me like five minutes to go through all the super

01:11:31.060 chats too because they've piled yeah i was gonna say why don't we do that now let's go through that

01:11:34.200 right now just see what we got here really quick because there was some uh directed at george that

01:11:38.780 i know are going to take a little while as a shout out to george uh tell him moody the millennial

01:11:42.360 says hi hashtag and the fed yeah he's he's always on my watch he's a good guy mexy mike i'm glad george

01:11:48.740 is exposed to cooper uh rollo aaron aaron this is the guy i was telling you about who explained the

01:11:54.720 crack up boom that happened in venezuela i was asking your thoughts on george gammon

01:11:59.260 i'm giddy having george and aaron out nerd macroeconomics george is awesome explaining

01:12:05.120 complex financial theories uh aaron is smart insightful painfully honest about everything

01:12:10.240 you all rock we do we do yes yes all those get these ones as per one of peter schiff's tweets imf

01:12:17.860 agreed with the fed that u.s inflation is transitory can higher inflation be sustained your thoughts i guess

01:12:24.240 that's a question for george what do you think george uh yeah and i think we were pretty much

01:12:28.800 addressing a lot of that in what we were saying it doesn't mean that we can't have a deflationary

01:12:33.040 deleveraging as well but i think the probability is higher that we see sustained inflation uh because

01:12:38.500 of that transitioning from this hybrid system into a system where the central bank or the central

01:12:43.860 planners themselves the the ladies or guys in government are controlling the issuance of dollars

01:12:49.160 um that's cal l harry uh fantastic see all working together to talk about the numbers involved assuming

01:12:57.460 a possible population collapse continuing where do you see real estate trending i imagine more

01:13:02.500 deflationary forces uh this is your wheelhouse again george yeah so the the question there that you

01:13:08.780 have to ask that precedes that harry is whether you're referring to prices in nominal terms or real

01:13:15.400 terms because we can have a crash in the real estate market while at the same time prices are are always

01:13:23.240 going up and i would use venos venezuela the gentleman prior talked about a crack-up boom which is a theory

01:13:30.000 from ludwig von mises uh and is very similar to what you saw in venezuela where the price of your house

01:13:37.240 in venezuela denominated in bolivars never went down but it sure as hell crashed right because

01:13:44.680 your your house is buying less stuff because it's denominated in a currency that's losing value

01:13:50.640 faster so maybe a better example would be if you've got a hundred thousand dollar house and it's

01:13:55.440 increasing in value or the price is increasing by five percent per year but inflation is ten percent per

01:14:03.260 year then the value the purchasing power of your house is actually decreasing by five percent compounded

01:14:09.880 so you can have an environment where the the real purchasing power the real prices go down and i if

01:14:16.840 if you're in the united states if you look at a chart going back to 1900 we hit the bottom or our historic

01:14:22.920 trend line adjusted for inflation back in 2012 so that's what that's telling us is that's where prices

01:14:28.180 should be based on on proper free market uh interest rates and income levels therefore we need to come

01:14:36.820 down back down to that level but again the question is do we come down there in nominal terms or do we

01:14:43.100 come down there in terms just adjusted for inflation and that's why it's so hard for people to make a

01:14:49.380 decision on whether or not to buy a house right now you know i hear a lot of people say well you know

01:14:54.020 we're in this big bubble so i'm just going to wait until the bubble crashes it might crash up it might not

01:15:01.680 crash down and that's something that people really don't uh it's tough for them to get their mind

01:15:06.600 around also too i i'd point out that even in the last you know big collapse we had during the gfc

01:15:12.700 it took real estate prices six years to bottom a real estate is not like the stock market where it can

01:15:20.080 go down by 20 percent in in one day you know like black monday or something like that uh the real estate

01:15:25.960 market it takes a long time for it to turn around so um i would it's it's a very touchy subject right

01:15:33.240 now because you're buying um a property that is usually uh has been seen as the asset and i would

01:15:40.620 argue the property now is the is the liability and and the the debt the 30-year fixed rate mortgage is

01:15:47.840 actually the asset because i think you'll probably decrease your purchasing power with the property but

01:15:53.180 you'll increase your purchasing power to a greater degree by holding the 30-year fixed rate debt

01:15:58.240 uh mortgage so um it's it's a upside down world but i i just like to point those things out because

01:16:05.640 usually when people try to think through real estate they just think about it in nominal terms

01:16:10.060 and they think about it uh having the ability to collapse quote-unquote overnight like a stock market

01:16:15.940 and it doesn't work that way all right uh we got a little hat tip here for cappy's book

01:16:22.500 the book of numbers um michael j thanks for the content insights fellows thanks for the super

01:16:28.960 uh we're almost caught up here loving opportunistically is being a mercenary sickening

01:16:35.960 i want to say this to you guys um i always see guys that like you know go the doom and gloom corner it's

01:16:41.900 like water is wet the sun is hot women are women just accept them for what they are and respond

01:16:48.540 accordingly wasn't that a quote from the last boy scout i think it was don't know uh a team uh those

01:16:58.360 not willing to improve themselves are the ones creating the market for those willing to do the

01:17:01.800 work like short sellers yeah absolutely man that's why i keep telling you guys do the damn work

01:17:05.620 uh competent man to george did you see within the past few years where some uh predict the reverse

01:17:11.980 repo is about to go to two trillion a few minutes ago zero zero hedge uh consumer credit surge you

01:17:20.060 want to touch on that yeah he's talking about a gentleman by the name of zoltan pozar who's kind

01:17:25.020 of a guru on wall street i think he works at credit suisse and he predicted the last repo blow up that we

01:17:31.040 had in 2019 and he's saying that the reverse repos could go up by uh two trillion without getting too

01:17:38.000 wonky guys uh the the reason that could um indicate another crack in the system is because uh the the

01:17:46.880 banks who we're talking about creating the dollars typically they create those loans backed with bank

01:17:52.440 reserves so if you have uh two trillion in reverse repo there's only about four trillion in bank reserves

01:17:58.980 in the system which is huge compared to prior to gsc but you're taking let's say half those bank

01:18:03.980 reserves out of the system so the uh the balance sheet capacity or the lending capacity of the

01:18:08.740 commercial banking system decreases in an environment where they're already producing lower dollars so in

01:18:14.800 a free market that would mean asset prices would deflate nominal terms but to aaron's point earlier i

01:18:21.620 think they're going to go the mmt route the money printing route which is going to overwhelm um you know

01:18:27.080 what they're doing here but the release valve inevitably has to be the u.s dollar george i got to

01:18:33.400 interrupt here just because he's new to this george look most of our audience is men and now with that

01:18:38.300 sexy sweet economic talk we're going to be flooded with women they're going to want your phone number

01:18:42.580 and wonder if you're single i mean how do you keep the women off you george that would be a seminar

01:18:47.420 unto itself well you know what's funny is i uh i i was someone texted me a picture of uh rebel capitalists

01:18:55.140 live where um you know there was quite a few people there that wanted to get their picture taken with me

01:19:00.340 and i had a group of uh three or four gals uh that wanted to get their picture taken with me and

01:19:06.000 someone sent that to me so i tweeted it out and i say i say chicks dig macro well those four did anyway

01:19:13.720 uh this is straight up social scores that you george and ral paul explain with the entire behavioral

01:19:21.620 economics yeah with yes for some no for others that's correct yeah and going to this if we move into this

01:19:29.480 world uh that that um that rollo's talking about where uh you know women are more in charge uh you

01:19:37.780 could see that lending being directed in areas uh that we really can't conceive right now and again i

01:19:43.840 don't want to say it's uh it's bad or good but it's going to have economic uh unintended consequences

01:19:49.560 i can assure you of that rich cooper's used trt needle i haven't seen this guy in my live shows in a

01:19:56.820 while but he's got he's got a comment there with a very old picture of me he found somewhere on the

01:20:02.080 internet we need more rp influence and law judges lawyers sure guys you know um get out there and

01:20:08.820 get in those professions if you think that you can contribute to this to the solution i've always

01:20:12.820 said that that the red pill has to be a bottom up yeah yeah i'm in um i'm in aaron's camp i'm just

01:20:19.380 going to sit on his uh porch you know watch the sunset over the mountains and drink a beer and

01:20:23.980 watch it burn with him um sean says uh george sorrows funds open society foundations which

01:20:30.140 promotes far left advocacy which invests 32 billion dollars to solve any problem you get to root

01:20:35.680 yeah all this is based on uh marxism it's almost every narrative that we're seeing in society today

01:20:43.540 in the western world has its roots in marxism and um you know that that usually uh doesn't end well

01:20:50.780 but as hayek said you know even though you're on the road to serfdom uh there is a possibility to

01:20:57.080 get off it's not a foregone conclusion that you move into totalitarianism which is where the road

01:21:03.240 to serfdom leads so we can do it you know and i think there's the i think the optimistic uh you know

01:21:10.700 ray of sunshine here is that even if we're moving into this environment where uh you know women are

01:21:18.220 climbing the socioeconomic ladder therefore uh the pareto distribution goes from a 20 80 to a five

01:21:25.420 percent 95 if you're part of that five percent then at least from a standpoint of uh of dating you're

01:21:34.560 going to have a lot of options you know so it's i think it's an empowering message to men and to

01:21:40.520 women to some degree but to men knowing that it's within your control go out there like rich says do the

01:21:45.900 work because moving forward it's going to be quite a bit easier too to be that that five percent top

01:21:52.960 shelf uh group of guys because we're trying to force men to to become women and women to become men

01:22:02.520 so in that environment you get um not very good men and not very good women so if you're doing the

01:22:09.340 work and uh pursuing excellence you know you're going to be part of that top five and you're going to

01:22:14.400 have access to a lot more choice than you maybe would have uh 30 or 40 years ago um and the women

01:22:21.340 in your life are going to you know as long as you're not an asshole if you're a good dude uh they're

01:22:27.000 gonna they're gonna have that respect for you and if you choose to get into a long-term relationship

01:22:31.100 the probability of it being healthy and long-lasting is going to be much higher guys no more super chats

01:22:37.500 please we want to finish up the question the roles got lined up but i'm just going to finish these real

01:22:41.900 real quick uh mexy mike says rich is echoing what andrew andrew henderson essentially proposed

01:22:46.800 to patrick b david i think that's david yeah uh as henderson challenged pat and explained how us

01:22:53.640 has become entitled to productive people's thesis i think that means u.s is an idea not a place

01:23:00.900 uh sean ga as a canadian viewer one request from rich could you please bring mark moss to your podcast

01:23:08.620 uh i'm working on trying to get tim s grover on right now because i just finished his two books

01:23:13.560 um so i really only bring on guys that i'm genuinely interested in having conversations on

01:23:18.300 right now uh hey george do you think it would be a good idea to invest in a etf that would short the

01:23:24.640 nasdaq no because we can have a crack up boom it goes back to the housing question that the nasdaq

01:23:30.540 can continue to go up in nominal prices but lose value in purchasing powers when you adjust for

01:23:35.520 inflation so i i don't think short especially when we're going into an environment of all this

01:23:40.340 money printing no the last thing i would do is short the nasdaq uh some gratitude from somebody

01:23:45.940 that's enjoying your feedback the competent man additional wells fargo just announced they're

01:23:49.680 closing all personal credit lines yeah of course they want you know you can make a lot more money

01:23:54.600 off credit cards that's it's generates about a third of the bank's profits really uh yeah and those

01:24:00.820 are fewer dollars being created too by the way yeah randy uh george how can i attract joint venture

01:24:06.100 partnerships for property development african market when i don't have much capital to start

01:24:10.600 with well you've got to have so you've got more time than you have resources so you have to make

01:24:15.260 yourself valuable somehow so why would someone want to give you their money uh i would go out and

01:24:20.760 work in an environment where you can get the experience you need to branch off on your own and start

01:24:25.320 your own fund and then i'd follow kenny mcelroy's uh youtube channel because that's exactly what ken

01:24:31.660 does does right now and he worked his way up from the bottom so i i would follow everything that ken

01:24:38.360 has done over his life and what he's doing now and uh you know he's managing over a billion dollars

01:24:43.180 with the real estate and doing extremely well so i'd use him as kind of a mentor uh billionaire ross

01:24:48.940 perot uh stacking fat bucks is $22 to remind you all that financial trouble was coming

01:24:55.360 uh roy washington in order uh what would you do become debt-free buy a cattle a truck to work for

01:25:04.560 myself buy a house i have two kids and i'm dude it depends where where you live what your income is

01:25:10.400 how much debt you have what kind of money is this truck gonna you know pay off for you um it's very

01:25:16.220 difficult to answer yeah if he's in the united states and he looked like a young guy uh what i

01:25:21.080 always encourage young guys and gals for that matter to think about doing is something called

01:25:25.040 house hacking where you go out and buy a triplex and you secure it with 30 year fixed rate uh mortgage

01:25:31.960 like we're saying at a very low interest rate you know say three four percent and then basically if you

01:25:36.460 can get it in the right area the right neighborhood and buy right uh you can get your tenants to pay off

01:25:42.020 your mortgage and have a little bit of positive cash flow left over at the end

01:25:45.340 and um you know people's number one expense is housing so if you can eliminate that expense

01:25:51.780 and take that thousand or two thousand dollars that you would have spent on a mortgage or rent

01:25:55.840 and allocate it to your investment portfolio you're going to have a huge edge so that's what i usually

01:26:02.380 uh but the debt-free component of it i i totally agree with dave ramsey uh on on one thing and that's

01:26:10.480 that uh you know consumer debt is bad you don't want to take up consumer debt that's that's that's

01:26:15.580 the as jim rogers says the quick way to the poor house uh but it doesn't necessarily mean that all debt

01:26:21.700 is bad and when you're going into an environment with a lot of money printing like we said earlier

01:26:26.920 having productive fixed rate debt that is allowing you to control an asset that is paying you a positive

01:26:35.580 cash flow to own it monthly uh could be prudent if you know what you're doing all right so we'll throw

01:26:41.200 the floor back to rollo uh let's do another question no more super chats guys and also hit the like

01:26:46.640 button there's like 1300 of you guys watching 550 likes just help out the algorithms you know it

01:26:52.500 doesn't cost you anything so this is this is the last question i had on here and um and it actually

01:26:57.000 kind of gets to that very last super chat which jesse is talking about can the average male achieve

01:27:01.180 the top 10 percent of wealth okay so that was my net my last question was this was how can men benefit

01:27:06.680 from all of this like understanding what we what we've just been talking about for the last hour and

01:27:10.640 a half right now um we know what the stats are we know what the data is we know what the we we can

01:27:16.600 at least make some prognostications as to what's coming down the pipes right when we talk about the

01:27:20.900 morgan stanley uh that the rise of the chic economy stuff uh when we look at what's going on in the

01:27:25.920 the rise in the acceptability of like marxism really you know in society that's through through

01:27:31.720 the university systems which by the way are run by women because largely 77 78 of women 78 of the

01:27:39.400 teachers you will have in your lifetime from preschool all the way up to postgraduate school

01:27:43.400 will be women so when we look and we see like the education systems where where uh you know i i i think

01:27:50.060 it was interesting like when we were talking about like all these uh you know these riots that were

01:27:53.380 going on in 2020 and people pulling down statues and now all this you know antifa and everything

01:27:57.740 and they're people saying well you know they're teaching this communism and this marxism in this

01:28:01.380 in the university it's like yeah of course they are you know it sounds like a good idea when you

01:28:05.120 realize how much we pay the female teachers that are in those systems right now marxism probably sounds

01:28:10.160 like a pretty good idea to women who are already predisposed to communitarianism and egalitarianism

01:28:15.960 and you know emotionalism and everything else any program though yeah yeah exactly

01:28:22.280 um so my my question is is that knowing all of this and you know being on being in the know i guess

01:28:29.440 um how can we how can men benefit from this can the average guy become the top 10 percent of wealth i i

01:28:35.460 think so but uh and i want to run down like sort of four different little you know issues here one of

01:28:41.080 them is protection and i think that rich actually talks about this quite a bit is like protecting your

01:28:45.200 asset like what can you do to sort of like if you're going to get into you know do you still want to

01:28:50.100 like guys still want to get laid guys still want to you know solve their reproductive problem they

01:28:54.120 still want to have kids they still want to you know they still want to get the girls aaron

01:28:57.560 no no matter what the numbers say they still want to get the girls um so how can men like protect

01:29:04.400 themselves is it just migtown is marriage going to change completely um to the point where like guys

01:29:10.100 have to sort of like you know have prenuptial agreements all the time so that's the protection

01:29:14.020 aspect then also the rise of the she economy knowing that women are going to be uh let's say

01:29:19.580 more like lonely but like more uh empowered as far as economics are concerned and directing where that

01:29:25.920 money is going in the future how can you as a guy who is an entrepreneur who is a guy who's

01:29:30.940 who understands this stuff how can you benefit from that how can you make a how can you turn a buck

01:29:35.600 as a result of that uh also maybe this gets back to what aaron was talking about in his book

01:29:40.420 which the point really uh correct me if i'm wrong aaron but the point of writing the book of numbers

01:29:45.380 was to sort of make guys aware of the realities of the numbers and the money that they are spending

01:29:51.000 when they are doing that in the pursuit of women that's i believe that's the subtitle of your book

01:29:55.460 right correct yes it's basically cost benefit analysis and lastly the last the fourth part here

01:30:01.140 again benefiting is housing real estate and expatriation uh which is another thing we were talking

01:30:06.720 about rich is going to at least i believe he has a year plan to expatriate from from canada george

01:30:12.680 i know you don't necessarily live in one place at one time for very long so i don't know if you're

01:30:17.840 technically an expat but i know that you don't stay or a year you're a rolling stone my friend

01:30:23.000 um so is that part of like benefiting from this new environment that you guys are aware of yeah i mean

01:30:30.540 rich i i retired in 2012 uh i'm not sure when rich well rich is still kind of in the game and i have

01:30:38.000 a lot of people ask me entrepreneurial questions and rich and i think are right around the same age

01:30:43.180 and i remember when i first started my uh or first started a business you know you needed to have a

01:30:48.700 hundred thousand dollars you needed the last one where i actually had to generate some capital to start

01:30:53.280 was in 2007 or something we you know needed 500 000 uh just as a runway to get the business going

01:31:00.360 and that business produced um you know call it we grew it up to about 24 million in annual revenues

01:31:06.500 but what's amazing now with uh what we have as far as the internet and the opportunities for us to

01:31:12.380 reach worldwide markets is uh the barrier of entry is very very low you don't have to have five hundred

01:31:18.980 thousand dollars anymore uh in order to build a business that generates 24 million dollars uh in in

01:31:27.200 gross revenue uh you you can do it you can add value there's so many more opportunities out there

01:31:33.780 for young males uh to make money than we had uh i'm assuming all of us are pronounced age uh growing up in

01:31:41.860 the 1970s and the 1980s i mean way more opportunities way more opportunities and not only that to make money

01:31:48.680 quickly uh to make a lot of money quickly i mean look at the kids that just started the uh the fit and uh

01:31:55.420 fresh and fit uh isn't that the podcast i mean look at their success look at those guys that's what

01:32:00.660 hustle will get you and that's something that could not have been possible i think i mean those kids are

01:32:06.520 such hustlers they would have done well regardless i love you call them kids i'm gonna say i'm gonna link

01:32:12.200 right to this moment hey hey myron look at this you kid but but seriously you know they're they're

01:32:18.680 they're they would do well whatever they did in life it wouldn't be a matter of if they're going to

01:32:23.460 be successful it would just be a matter of when they're exploiting the game they understand the game

01:32:28.200 well enough that they can play it well yeah but with the internet and with youtube and with the us

01:32:33.360 the ability to create content and to get the word out um you know you're able to to scale much much

01:32:40.660 faster much opportunity and the risk reward is far better today uh than it was in my opinion by just

01:32:48.400 going out and borrowing 500 grand to start a brick and mortar business aaron how can they play the game

01:32:54.680 better how can we how can we benefit from this let me count the ways when you're asking the categories

01:33:00.180 i took some notes this is gonna be a little a little linear here to capitalize um i would go with

01:33:07.600 female index funds which i do believe would be coming around uh and i know it's it's the cheap

01:33:13.520 shop but it's true i really believe egg freezing technology or the chemicals associated with it or

01:33:20.000 you know media uh something that benefits and we all haha box whining cats i'm sure but

01:33:26.900 you know and a company that provides ant pet insurance you know think what so i would do that

01:33:33.220 uh i would get a vasectomy unless you're absolutely sure you want to have kids and even if you have

01:33:38.480 vasectomy you can also uh have a direct extraction which you don't want to know the process

01:33:43.660 um never marry would be another uh defensive move on and in terms of hedging against inflation and

01:33:51.540 maintaining your wealth silver crypto i call it a plan b uh which george is familiar with where you

01:33:59.480 got to make aims to be able to leave the united states or canada or western nation and go to where

01:34:04.900 they're not going to confiscate and in rich's case 53 of your labor time and effort and energy

01:34:10.440 or if they just come after you um so that's a that's a and that's a task that's a requires travel and

01:34:17.680 all that i would also hedging against inflation is major in stem or some other valuable skill

01:34:23.320 because your skills are not only transferable but they are a natural hedge against inflation

01:34:28.400 a dentist just has to jack up their price um a mechanic just has to jack up their price a

01:34:33.720 professional asshole like me i just jack up my price uh make sure that you have skills that are

01:34:38.420 that are indispensable uh and then finally more philosophically insist on being a superior person

01:34:44.880 workout diet major in the right thing participate in hobbies make sure your life counts i know we

01:34:52.420 focus on money but i'm a little bit more of a minimalist philosopher and and i focus more on

01:34:56.840 time than anything else i recommend being part of the 1099 superior race meaning being self-employed

01:35:02.640 your life is too short to be answering to a boss and you are too precious to have your your you know

01:35:08.380 a third at least if you look at profit margins on labor productivity if not half of your worth paid

01:35:14.380 out to a corporation to enrich your employer um i also would advocate minimalism although i know rich

01:35:20.540 and george with their fancy cars probably would disagree but i would put more generally philosophically

01:35:25.800 more valuable value on time than money uh and then finally this is the important one and this this is

01:35:33.660 where 80 percent of the people um fail and that is you f up you screw up don't get a girl pregnant

01:35:40.880 don't major in something stupid don't buy a car you can't afford don't smoke uh and eat unhealthily

01:35:48.420 and play video games like you know don't commit crime which i don't think we really have to worry

01:35:53.720 about this listening audience but if you look at the vast majority of successful people and by success

01:36:00.200 i mean they're not you know let's say upper middle income or or higher they didn't screw up they may not

01:36:06.920 have a a doctorate in physics they may not have a multi-million dollar empire but they didn't screw up

01:36:13.020 and so that is something i think everybody can do along with minimalism and all that to kind of

01:36:17.940 take advantage of of this future and and it's been in rich's book that's in my it's put yourself

01:36:24.340 first make sure you're the best person you can be because at the absolute worst you will have not

01:36:30.400 wasted your life oh and finally one other thing i i forgot this uh give up your dreams because it

01:36:35.300 wouldn't be me if it wasn't a little bit dark i don't care how much you love the girls i don't care

01:36:39.740 how much you want wife and kids now is not your time if you get it great but do not pine and hope

01:36:47.080 and hinge your happiness on that because it is out of your control

01:36:50.220 all right what about coin collecting yeah what about coin collecting here and you know y'all cool

01:36:57.160 enough to be coin what about stamps are stamps cool can i have a stamp collection uh yeah you could

01:37:04.000 collect stamps um all right so i'm i'm going to co-assign everything that uh both aaron and george

01:37:10.200 said i i can't disagree with anything um i just wanted to put this up here real quick he says can

01:37:15.200 the average male achieve the top 10 percent wealth uh i'm going to say no if you're defining yourself

01:37:20.560 as average average people don't do extraordinary things okay you need to take yourself out of the

01:37:26.660 average category there's a lot of average people out there average people don't put dents in the

01:37:31.460 universe they might put a little you know something in it but they're not going to do anything

01:37:35.400 dramatic um it has never been easier to make money ever in the history of humankind yeah and one of

01:37:44.060 the things that drives me absolutely insane is when guys complain rich says you need to be a millionaire

01:37:50.420 by the time you're this age okay why does it why does it piss these guys off because they see

01:37:56.880 themselves as average they see it as an impossible feat a million dollars is not hard to make there

01:38:02.200 are trillions of dollars traveling through the internet every second of every day even on the

01:38:08.700 weekends okay all you got to do is put something out there and grab something solve a problem okay

01:38:14.920 product service something with recurring revenue there's any number of things that you can do to grab a

01:38:19.940 little bit of that piece of the pie what does money do it solves problems it allows you to apply a store

01:38:27.080 of value to problems in your life and solve them if you're an average guy and you're stuck in a mediocre

01:38:33.360 part of the world and you don't have access to financial resources it's very hard to change your

01:38:40.380 environment okay one of the things that uh Aaron and George didn't um touch on was maneuver go where

01:38:46.900 you're treated better if there's a place that taxes you lower that's something that you can consider

01:38:52.580 if there's a place with a more favorable climate that you'd enjoy that's something to consider if

01:38:57.240 there's a place with more attractive feminine agreeable women that's something else that you can

01:39:03.060 consider don't have to stay where you're at you can pick up and move traveling around the world is

01:39:08.740 very very easy have more than one passport if you can get two or three passports um through your

01:39:14.740 parents or your grandparents on both sides maternal paternal you have an ability to like if the

01:39:21.240 canadian government says to me f you i'm going to take away your passport cool no problem i've got two

01:39:26.200 other european passports i can still travel i'm not limited to move around borders aren't going to

01:39:32.320 stop me from doing what i want to do put yourself first you know the whole coin phrase rollo tamasi

01:39:39.080 uses mental point of origin put your damn self first and i and and and get very very clear get

01:39:46.000 laser focused on the kind of life that you want to live because like Aaron said it moves fast it like

01:39:52.300 time will fly you'll never be able to make more time you can always make more money you can start

01:39:57.120 up something that sucks collapses on itself and blows up and two years later you could be the

01:40:03.060 bee's knees again um i can't remember the guy's name but the uh two guys that founded instagram

01:40:08.780 turned around and sold it three years after they started it for a billion dollars to facebook with

01:40:14.100 12 employees i'm not saying that that's repeatable for all of you guys out there but don't think for

01:40:19.520 a minute that making money is impossible it's not yeah i'll just throw my two cents in here is is uh

01:40:27.960 i cosign everything everybody else has said here of course um and and more to rich's point um i've had

01:40:33.800 it explained to me like this is that there is a river of money out there and all you have to do is

01:40:38.320 figure out how to divert some of that river to your little farm and in today's you know high tech

01:40:45.880 you know internet what i've called the new order in my uh in my fourth book here in today's information

01:40:52.560 society it has never been easier to figure that out on your own um as these guys are saying it's

01:40:57.860 never been easier to make money it's just the the lack of creative intelligence the lack of trying

01:41:04.080 to like uh i don't know i won't say innovation but being clever enough to do so um the other part that

01:41:10.580 i i i have to also throw in there is it's uh resist the lure of easing up on your focus um if you're

01:41:17.380 sedated by something whether that's pornography whether that's alcohol whether that's drugs whether

01:41:21.840 that's opiates whether that's uh video games whatever it is you are sedated at some point by

01:41:27.580 something and it's important to get unsedated from that because you will never reach your potential as

01:41:32.640 long as you are sedated in fact this especially for men right now for women uh what is it rich was

01:41:38.960 saying uh you know women are told uh you know uh you do what's right for you girl and for men they're

01:41:44.160 told to do what's correct me if i'm wrong i think i got this right is and you men are told to do the

01:41:49.640 right thing while women are told to do what's right for them and i think that uh that that that's a

01:41:55.400 that's a good illustration of how we expect certain things from guys and do not put on or do not keep

01:42:02.840 the uh the same don't hold the same kind of ideals that you think you ought to have because that's the

01:42:08.740 way you've been conditioned by the blue pill okay so that's that's that and then um last but not least

01:42:14.040 is go read robert green's mastery okay it has never been easier to master something than now

01:42:20.060 um whether that's you know it used to be that you had to go find a master and become an apprentice and

01:42:25.660 and you know spend 10 000 hours to become a master at something and now you can go on youtube and learn

01:42:30.360 how to hang drywall if that's what you want to do lord knows aaron probably built his entire new house

01:42:35.540 you don't even want to know what i yeah i'm practically a master carpenter right now yes yeah you learn how to

01:42:41.920 how do i carpet my house right there's there's probably a video for that uh how do i clean my gun

01:42:47.140 how do i fish how do i tie a tie for christ's sake okay those kind of things it's not hard to find that

01:42:53.220 it's never been easier to be a master at something and we've never had this kind of you know ease of

01:42:58.300 access to that kind of stuff but yet we've never been lazier because you've been sedated by something

01:43:04.240 so you're sedated by and get away from that sedation because you will not become

01:43:09.840 you know above average like what does it take to become to go from ordinary to extraordinary

01:43:15.000 you will never find out if you are weighted down with the sandbags of being sedated by something

01:43:20.340 so that's all i got to say and that's all i have for you guys uh that's it this has been really really

01:43:25.120 good conversation guys appreciate you all coming together for this one um yeah uh i don't know maybe

01:43:31.520 we'll do this again i'm doing uh georgia's show tomorrow friday still yeah yeah tomorrow uh

01:43:37.480 live or is it going to be uh recorded one that you publish later recorded okay so it's recorded

01:43:43.300 so you'll see the live one later then but uh me and john from modern life dating are going to come

01:43:46.600 and muck up the chat for you guys well it's recording you won't be able to all all right um

01:43:54.360 yeah thanks for hopping on guys um make sure you follow aaron cleary on youtube rollo tomasi and of

01:43:58.960 course george gammon you can find them all on their own respective youtube channels i want to thank you

01:44:03.220 guys for chiming in and uh creating so much value for guys watching today thanks very much

01:44:07.480 this has been thanks for having me

Playing to Win - March 02, 2022

040 - @George Gammon @The Rational Male @AaronClarey & Rich Cooper

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