Playing to Win - 046 - Pete Ferrante

00:00:00.000 all right and we are live um you guys are going to enjoy this one today i promise you so stay for

00:00:08.640 the whole thing uh this is a returning guest an old old friend and one of the early videos i did

00:00:17.180 with him was uh let me see here 2014 i think it was yeah yeah long time ago um so let me uh pull

00:00:26.400 in my good friend pete ferrante how you doing brother how you doing pal everything good rick

00:00:31.700 rich everything's good in the hood my man um yeah yeah we dude i was just looking at the old video

00:00:39.600 that we did back in the day in your dodge charger and i'm going to put it up on the screen because

00:00:44.560 because like one of the things that i want to talk about is is how things have changed since then um

00:00:50.580 for the better in many many ways you know as well but i've known pete for a long time uh we met in

00:00:56.120 entrepreneurs org in toronto um i don't know 2009 10 11 over a decade for sure right

00:01:03.360 it's got to be right i mean at least that long i when you said 2014 i was like oh my is it possible

00:01:10.720 i'm not i'm not old enough to have done one of your original videos you are 2014 you are dude

00:01:16.240 you are indeed uh it was so you know i've said this before but i mean the concept was really just

00:01:21.640 to kind of like roll with a bunch of um you know my friends and their success rides and then tell their

00:01:25.760 stories about what they had to go through to you know get the toys and you know some stuff that was

00:01:30.520 going on in their business and lives and i don't know i put out like four or five episodes they were

00:01:35.040 about anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes long uh did ian far uh actually i did ian twice we did another

00:01:41.060 one in his hangar too by his plane at one point a couple years after mw i think that was his gig right

00:01:45.900 yeah yeah bimmy you know he got rid of that and he's moved into other businesses since then but um

00:01:50.640 yeah so for this playlist guys the um the talking points are really conversations around chasing

00:01:56.220 excellence you guys are always asking me questions about that so it's one of the one of my favorite

00:02:02.400 pastimes is to spend times with successful entrepreneurs and some of the best memories

00:02:08.100 that i've had were being in private forum groups um and these groups are they're basically closed

00:02:15.980 doors they're private conversations they run for can be uh three or four hours upwards to five or

00:02:22.020 six hours depending on what you're doing with the presentations and you really dive deep on a lot of

00:02:26.180 stuff that's going on in your business and your personal life and stuff like that so um i was

00:02:30.300 fortunate enough to be in a forum with pete um at one point as well too but uh yeah you know as life

00:02:35.880 goes you know you kind of go and move in and out of these things um you know we've been good friends

00:02:40.340 the entire time and uh stayed in touch we also do drives together so you know pete's another big car

00:02:44.600 guy speaking of car guys let me show you the uh where's the share screen oh you got to see this

00:02:50.780 buddy you have to see this like look at look at these two guys over here

00:02:55.720 that cannot be us dude look at that dude look at it like i think that that was back in your

00:03:06.160 fatter days too because i mean i was i would that that picture there i was probably sitting in that car

00:03:11.580 at 206 to somewhere between 25 and 210 and holy shit and you recently competed too in a men's um

00:03:20.500 what's the category for over 50 for fitness uh old farts yeah you know it's the the fucking masters or

00:03:29.200 something like that so it's it goes you know you've got a couple of different categories but i was the

00:03:34.140 uh i i i was in the over 40 and i was in the over 50 yeah um and yeah i loved it i mean um you know

00:03:44.340 what a difference so if if that video was you know somewhere north of 200 um i stepped on stage

00:03:52.180 the first time i stepped on stage i um i took second and that was when i was early 40s

00:04:00.780 um and then this last time i wanted to do it one more time when i was 50 just

00:04:08.300 because it was difficult because why not yeah and i wanted to see just say you know and almost

00:04:14.420 set an example for my kids as well so look man this 50 can look like this right it doesn't have

00:04:19.120 to look like the guy in that picture and i was i don't even know if i was um um jeez i didn't know

00:04:26.340 what how old i was at that point but you're you're over 50 because i remember being in the forum and

00:04:31.280 used to bring like broccoli and chicken meals to the forum meetings because you wouldn't eat what

00:04:35.980 the restaurant was bringing because you're all like tight about your diet at that time too

00:04:39.960 you had to be man i mean you know the the reality is it's it's the difficult part about any um and and

00:04:46.860 i again i wasn't in the bodybuilding competition i was in the more the physique right yeah um so it

00:04:53.340 was symmetry it was um you know commensurate to your age and obviously that sort of thing

00:04:59.900 um but lifting heavy shit and putting it down is not the hard part that's the easy part it's the

00:05:06.380 discipline it's the you know like you say going to a fucking restaurant where your buddies are sitting

00:05:11.160 there eating you know steak and mashed potatoes and drinking beers and you bring out the desserts with

00:05:16.940 all that stuff too yeah dude and you bring your tupperware container with broccoli and chicken

00:05:22.160 and drink water yeah that's the hard part it's not lifting the weights i want to talk about about

00:05:28.620 aging as a man you know since i kind of crossed this when i was looking at the video i was thinking

00:05:32.200 myself damn like you know we've changed a lot in the last seven years i mean we've both both

00:05:36.920 grown proper facial hair now instead of stubble um um here i'm going to throw this up on the screen

00:05:43.400 and you know this is your public facebook so before i do it like are you okay with that because

00:05:46.620 it's yeah it's got the globe so it's public so this is a picture of you from i think this is

00:05:51.580 from mastermind talks because we both had like headshots done by jason's you know professional

00:05:57.260 photographer i think that was about 2010 2011 something like that 20 yeah i didn't was it

00:06:01.920 even 2010 it was it was a while ago yeah i don't know but i got the same dorky pictures as well but

00:06:05.920 this is you like you know today like several years later right so you know men do really age like a

00:06:11.900 fine wine if you do take care of yourself yeah 100 yeah if you take care of yourself yeah it's it's

00:06:18.420 yeah it's really really important to like put an emphasis on self-care as a guy especially when

00:06:23.060 you're an entrepreneur and you're trying to put a dent in the universe and chase excellence because

00:06:26.100 everything is trying to derail you from that purpose everything so employee issues

00:06:32.580 like issues with your kids with partners with the vendors suppliers your spell like everything comes

00:06:39.920 your way everything gets thrown at you everything gets thrown at you and it's it's how you handle

00:06:44.320 things and you and you kind of going to go in you know one of the bigger lessons um i learned going

00:06:50.580 is it is is anticipating that it's not a cakewalk and and doing shit sometimes because it's difficult

00:06:57.760 um and and understanding that it's how you're how you respond to a challenge to a situation to a goal

00:07:08.420 whatever it is that really makes the the biggest difference so as of right now you've got two

00:07:13.920 businesses like like two main businesses you've got a gym and you've also got your environmental uh

00:07:19.880 hazmat company like right explain pharaoh canada because that's a company that basically gets rid of

00:07:25.440 environmental issues and buildings and spills and stuff like that right yeah yeah so you know we've

00:07:31.120 been around since um 2003 pharaoh canada pharaoh environmental um and we are basically hazmat

00:07:38.620 contractors so we do all kinds of remediation and abatement um from lead and mold and pcbs and all

00:07:46.820 that kind of shit um up to and including some you know soils groundwater um that sort of thing started

00:07:54.500 uh like i said started in 03 and i haven't looked back since we um um you know we uh um we're fortunate

00:08:03.260 that even with covid i mean the gym is a dumpster fire it took it has taken a beating and we're yeah

00:08:09.600 i want to talk about the gym after that yeah we'll get to that one but that one's uh that's a whole other

00:08:13.640 ball game and there's you know there's nothing worse than being in a situation that you you did not

00:08:19.900 cause i have no problem with with failing at something and looking at as a lesson and learning

00:08:25.340 and adapting and moving on it's a whole other story when when um you did nothing you were chugging

00:08:32.780 along you know nicely and and then all of a sudden you know someone pulls the floor out from under you

00:08:37.220 so and you're forced to respond yeah yeah so we'll get to that but but yeah so pharaoh does all of that

00:08:41.960 great stuff and and we're fortunate that that um you know there was a need for what we were doing we do

00:08:47.140 infection control and you know indoor air quality improvement all that stuff right is that servicing

00:08:53.580 across canada or use local to the gta um 90 of what we do is uh provincial you know i seem to remember

00:09:02.320 you talking at one point about about having to travel for some for some larger contracts too like

00:09:06.580 do you still do the yeah we get called out if there's some heavy lifting and they can't find

00:09:10.860 right people so we'll get called out i've done work on both coasts i've right from literally victoria bc

00:09:17.120 you know right over to st john's newfoundland and depending on where it is right so we've we're

00:09:22.300 fortunate we've got some you know some tier one clients that basically um insist that we do

00:09:29.880 um their stuff coast to coast um how did not a ton of it but we do do it how did covet affect all

00:09:36.400 of that like you know the lockdowns like were you deemed essential right away or or did you have issues

00:09:40.360 yeah great that we we were deemed essential right out of the gate i mean we do you know some infection

00:09:46.800 control uh um we do uh the cleaning and sanitizing as part of the ipac protocols for um the test is

00:09:56.740 some some local testing centers some hospitals some you know immunization center that sort of thing so

00:10:01.640 we were we were essential right out of the gate the challenge was so as as um as great as that was and

00:10:08.840 we did get the opportunity to do you know more in that space um you know the bottom dropped out

00:10:16.120 our the our main business is driven um by the real estate market which again industrial commercial

00:10:23.660 right now is is okay um we don't really do a lot of residential um you know industrial commercial

00:10:31.080 institutional so when you're dealing with the big landlords and the big developers and the bottom

00:10:36.660 uh dropped out of the uh rental market for office space nobody was nobody's going to work everybody's

00:10:44.060 working from home so all of a sudden their buildings weren't being turned over they weren't being

00:10:49.560 renovated all that sort of thing and and this is typically where you run into hazmat right i mean

00:10:53.440 there's rules and regulations and well anywhere in the world but obviously here in ontario that

00:10:59.260 that say listen you know you you you have you have to identify you know hazmat components in the

00:11:06.360 building um and you have to deal with them properly right so you can't just send a construction guy in

00:11:10.920 there unknowing and he starts banging out walls and and you know demolition and everything else the

00:11:16.740 next thing you know you've exposed them to all this nasty stuff right right so when all that went away

00:11:22.020 um the majority of the business that we saw coming in from that obviously went away right so

00:11:27.080 we're seeing it starting to trickle back which is good and we've been fortunate that you know

00:11:31.160 um we've been pretty steady uh even with some of that other stuff so again it was

00:11:35.840 we were chugging along nicely and how much of an impact on on that environmental business does

00:11:43.600 government regulations have like you know they're like since since since you started the business like

00:11:48.120 20 years ago yeah to where we are today i mean the government in my experience with my debt business

00:11:53.080 anyway i always found that they were just meddling in areas that they didn't understand and

00:11:56.400 comprehend and they always went about it the wrong way like how is it in your industry like

00:12:00.120 yeah we were is it something that forced you to pivot a few times um yes that now having said that

00:12:07.560 you know just by necessity the hazardous materials industry is is pretty heavily regulated there's not

00:12:14.440 a lot of of guesswork with the surprising exception um of mold remediation which um which has no

00:12:22.860 regulation whatsoever um you know so you've got anybody that uh you know that can afford 29 at

00:12:29.860 vista print and and a you know 99 website can say that they yeah this is what we do um you know but

00:12:37.480 we've the way i pivoted with that was is listen i wanted to get involved i wanted to raise the bar

00:12:42.480 um you know for the people that can do that so i'm on you know the board of directors i got involved in

00:12:49.840 the industry in general right board of directors for the environmental abatement council of canada

00:12:54.040 i chair the infection control committee you know i chaired the contractors committee at one i found

00:12:59.300 it and chaired that at one point so the whole idea was listen if if um if the government won't do it

00:13:06.200 let's at least try and raise the bar for the pros and and here's the lesson that i've learned right

00:13:11.820 across the board there is always always going to be room for the bottom feeders if you're going to be

00:13:19.560 the guy that decides that what you do for a living what your business does whatever it is um you know

00:13:26.420 you're a commodity i'll do it for a couple of dollars i remember in our last conversation in

00:13:32.840 your car you were talking about that as well like you wanted to stay well away from the bottom feeders

00:13:36.480 anything that was like you know going to force you to compete on price right well exactly i mean the

00:13:41.780 reality is do you really want to win the race to the bottom that's what you got to ask yourself

00:13:45.200 right and and i was like i have no interest in winning that race you know we do uh we do great

00:13:50.980 work um we're pros you know we have all the training the insurance the uh the infrastructure you

00:13:58.000 know the the equipment to get it all done we're not we're not two guys with a and this is a literal

00:14:04.380 story two guys showing up to a job site with a what is clearly the family minivan with some ladder

00:14:10.820 strapped to the back to the top and and a couple of pieces of shitty equipment show up to price

00:14:16.800 against me at a job and i i literally went to the the person that asked us to come in and i said hey

00:14:21.600 listen you know thanks for the opportunity i said but i'm i'm leaving and they're like well what do you

00:14:26.620 mean i said i i can't i said i can tell you right now i said if this is who you're looking to to bid

00:14:31.520 against me we can't do that i mean we're we're pros here we know we do it by the book um you know

00:14:38.680 we keep people safe and and these guys are just not that so we've we've walked away we fired clients

00:14:44.100 um for the same thing yeah it's important to to be very discerning with the sort of people that you

00:14:49.780 want to do business with and uh take on as clients because if you take on nightmare clients

00:14:54.340 that that force you to compete on price 100% on price alone i don't mind competition

00:14:59.620 as long as it's fair right i mean yeah um best um best piece of advice i got so simple

00:15:06.980 uh from uh probably one of the wealthiest people well one of the wealthiest families that i know

00:15:12.740 and this was the son um went in and and um it applies right across it applies universally now for

00:15:20.240 whatever i approach in business but at the time um we were looking at being acquired by a bigger

00:15:26.940 outfit um they came to us the numbers look the numbers looked great right what they were offering

00:15:31.980 the whole i'm like okay we went pretty far down the line and i i i just got a feeling that you know

00:15:37.660 this these guys you know they just weren't they weren't necessarily being up front about everything

00:15:45.100 you know sometimes you just get that your intuition your spider starts going off right

00:15:49.340 and uh and i've always you know you're you're that a gut feeling is it's nothing to do with esp that's

00:15:56.180 just your you know that's just your uh uh your subconscious talking to you through your experience

00:16:03.500 your past experience that's all that is to me so it goes it starts going off i decide i need to

00:16:08.520 start paying attention here and i was speaking to this one guy like uber wealthy um very successful

00:16:15.620 in the development space and and uh told him everything and he's like well he goes all i can

00:16:22.220 tell you pete is uh honestly um good people need to do business with good people he goes don't get

00:16:29.040 distracted by the money um he goes yeah he goes it's it's it's a it's a good number if that's he goes

00:16:34.280 but but don't let that don't let that you know have you take your eyes off of what's happening here

00:16:43.080 right and uh and i pulled it that literally we're at the 11th hour and i i went back i said guys um

00:16:49.660 yeah i'm sorry i just i can't do this and and uh you know i'm just i'm not getting the right feeling

00:16:55.040 from it and i i think i'm just going to continue doing my own thing and that's when they showed

00:16:59.360 their true colors then it was you know then it was a lot of um you know threats and screaming and

00:17:06.540 everything and i'm like well listen you know there we go there i've always said look you know if you

00:17:11.320 want to see what somebody's really made of tell them no and see how they respond right 100 miss

00:17:17.040 this question so if you could have a conversation with yourself when you first started up pharaoh

00:17:21.660 what would you tell yourself that you wish you knew back then that you figured out over the last 20

00:17:26.500 years um um right out of the gate would be uh learn to say no more often first no to generally

00:17:38.140 everybody or is it employees vendors customers i think in in general people feel that when they say

00:17:44.800 no they have to provide an explanation of some kind as to why they're saying no and sometimes you you

00:17:51.260 should that's i'm not saying you should never do that but but just be okay with saying no with not

00:17:56.360 taking on every opportunity not chasing every shiny new object you know um every squirrel that runs

00:18:04.940 past you know and i can't i think you used this saying once before and i loved it i can't remember

00:18:09.780 the whole thing only uh you know dogs dogs don't uh dogs only bark at moving cars or something like

00:18:18.320 that and and uh yeah i just um a bunch of times i found that there was there's opportunity that that

00:18:26.120 took my took my focus off what was really important and and if it's one thing i've learned

00:18:34.060 through whether it's the the uh the you know physique the bodybuilding competitions whether

00:18:41.560 it's business whether it's relationship whatever with your kid whatever it happens to be

00:18:45.720 is the ability to to focus and have discipline is worth more than its weight in gold not even

00:18:54.740 talk to me about the whole situation with the lockdowns and covid and mass mandates because you

00:18:59.680 have a a gym right and um you bought it just before covid came and slapped everybody across the face

00:19:06.240 nobody saw that coming nobody said oh i i knew that one was coming it was just like a total shock to

00:19:12.140 pretty much everybody and that forced uh gyms to uh shut down like that was one of the services they

00:19:19.180 deemed non-essential and you were ranting about it often on your instagram publicly and you're on the

00:19:25.460 news you know about it uh i think it was on cp24 um yeah so what was your position with all that like

00:19:31.640 what all happened from your experience from your experience as a gym owner and a employer yeah um

00:19:38.100 it was it was hard as an employer well i'll speak kind of from the heart first as an employer it was

00:19:43.260 it really was heartbreaking so i've got my wife um you know whom i love dearly and and just you know

00:19:50.480 had her heart and soul into this thing um you know she runs it day to day for the most part um

00:19:56.660 and and watching you know um this i want to be careful how i say this watching the watching the the

00:20:07.240 government fumble through one attempt after another to try and figure out what they're doing

00:20:11.340 more lockdowns uh more restrictions complete shutdowns of the gym right complete complete

00:20:17.480 shutdowns of the gym even though their own um their own statistics were showing that gyms were the

00:20:25.340 the lowest um um on the totem pole as far as as being a um you know a focal point a spreading point

00:20:34.380 in the whole nine yards um i think where where i actually got a little uh traction with cp24 i had

00:20:43.460 global news we had a bunch of people come out and do some interviews it was just a very unique

00:20:47.980 scenario you have somebody whose main business is infection control and indoor uh indoor environments

00:20:55.000 like creating safe indoor environments right um and who also happens to own a gym so yeah it was um

00:21:02.180 it was there are ways to create safe indoor spaces plain and simple and and i'll i'll spare it because

00:21:08.860 that's a whole other episode right there um but there are absolutely i do it we do we've created um

00:21:16.380 ways to to create safe in safe spaces within a hospital so you can do construction and renovation

00:21:23.220 whatnot within a hospital when you're right next door to the oncology department or operating rooms

00:21:29.700 right so you've got to get it right you've got to get it right you know um and and i just found it

00:21:36.540 was it was frustrating to me because they didn't want to hear that right it's like when they got to

00:21:41.980 the gym they all they wanted was the sob story and you know which is you know i we were at over 1200

00:21:49.380 members at the before covid hit and um every time they locked down we lost another 10-15 percent of

00:21:56.780 our members and now we're sitting somewhere at 600 and just over 600 right we've had to pivot

00:22:03.440 we've changed our pricing model we've changed the services we offer we've tried to focus um

00:22:09.380 um again staying away we are not interested in becoming planet fitness right so and this is one

00:22:17.000 of the things you gotta you kind of gotta make some tough decisions and um decided that no we're going

00:22:22.500 after a um a little higher end clientele we're going after a more mature uh clientele and and here's

00:22:30.220 the funny part uh rich i don't know if i even told you this so with that focus we expected to get

00:22:36.640 you know certainly older uh clientele right 30s 40s 50s and over and more um we already had a pretty

00:22:44.920 high-end clientele so you know that was good but once that uh demographic was kind of in trend this

00:22:54.460 is the kind of place we are right we're um probably one of the safest places around um you know i set up

00:23:01.760 infection control protocols there we have air scrubbing equipment you know i use um commercial

00:23:08.220 disinfectants i use surface like way beyond any place that we even service through ferro um

00:23:16.700 so what's happened is so we've obviously had to raise our prices we went decided on value-based

00:23:23.560 pricing as opposed to a commodity-based cost plus pricing right um but as we got more and more of

00:23:31.940 that clientele we lost some people that you know sometimes we're happy to lose um

00:23:37.360 um but now we're attracting uh and uh you know um some of a younger clientele still affluent still

00:23:47.260 you know we're getting some athletes we're getting um a younger clientele that are coming in that want

00:23:52.800 that experience right which goes back to our you know deciding what sandbox you want to play in

00:23:59.640 right did all those changes even even after the lockdowns with the pivot put you in a position

00:24:04.780 where you're cash flow positive are you still treading water with it um we're we're treading

00:24:10.460 water with it just because we lost so many people and we actually started to get some traction back

00:24:16.300 we're making um headway um once we were able to start opening up and and you know we're getting

00:24:25.720 some people back we again like we did this little pivot and move and and uh changed our approach

00:24:31.040 um and then the and then the fucking the passports come in right oh yeah and i'm like okay you know

00:24:38.940 and of course as soon as that happens there you go it's another 10 percent of your members right so

00:24:42.720 again it's having to sit down and okay now how do we pivot what do we do um you know we decided to

00:24:50.480 to um go with the the passports we've got uh you know some of that clientele especially when you

00:24:58.540 get into that demographic um you know we're we're much more in favor of that you know a little bit

00:25:06.500 older uh a little more affluent and they're like no we've we've got our our shots um and so we kind

00:25:14.840 of went with the with the majority so we lost about 10 so we we crawled back up to almost 700 680

00:25:23.640 something like that i can't remember um dove back down to you know just over six again and now we're

00:25:30.320 starting to see it you know slowly creep back up um just because we've stuck with the message isn't

00:25:37.660 about um message isn't about uh about the the passport it's about you know how we keep the place

00:25:46.160 the safety of the place i listen at the end of the day i've always been a proponent but listen if

00:25:51.100 you want to if you want to stay healthy get healthy start healthy right i mean you can inject

00:25:57.620 yourself with whatever you want but at the end of the day if you know if you're obese you don't

00:26:03.160 work out you don't eat well you know that's on you i'm sorry right i yeah i'm always astonished

00:26:09.840 by that because you know the there's um they have figured out how to get us to fight amongst

00:26:16.480 ourselves okay you guys can figure out who they is right but they have figured out how to get us to

00:26:22.520 you know fight amongst ourselves and there's this there's this underlying um fighting point now about

00:26:29.020 whether you're jabbed or not and how important it is for your health and safety and i keep telling

00:26:34.320 people i'm like if if they actually cared about your health and safety they would get rid of

00:26:39.960 uh you know excessive food preservatives they you know they get rid of sugary foods and sugary drinks

00:26:46.960 and cigarettes and alcohol and you know you go right down the line because there's a lot of other

00:26:50.420 things out there right but um you know they would they would make you stand on a scale before you could

00:26:56.820 check out at the grocery store and scan the items that are on the conveyor belt before they sell them to

00:27:01.920 you could you imagine well hey i'm not kidding because i mean um you know they're forcing us to

00:27:09.100 to take these jabs under the guise of our health but if they really cared about our health they would

00:27:15.000 start somewhere else like you know are your are your vitamin d blood serum levels normal you know

00:27:19.640 for a healthy north american are you taking your vitamin c is your immune function functioning you

00:27:24.620 know to start out with you know before they start jabbing you with stuff that pharmaceutical companies

00:27:28.440 um are uh you know working with them on to force us to take yeah um what do you think about the

00:27:36.880 state of of of things right now in uh canada you know as far as the environment you know for men

00:27:43.520 you know as an entrepreneur i mean like you and i have talked about this to to you know the earth

00:27:48.920 ends for hours you know like we've worked out over the last couple years at times where

00:27:52.520 you know well we just figured it out yeah such a great question um and and man do we ever need

00:28:00.420 some answers to that now but um somewhere along the way um people forgot how to respectfully disagree

00:28:07.880 with each other right um they you know civilization um um if i if i can you know give me a little leeway

00:28:18.340 here right but if you think about it you know the greeks and the romans who really you know invented

00:28:24.260 civilized culture um you know this is the way they they solved problems like they there was there

00:28:32.300 was forums and and you would you would debate healthy they would be screaming at each other but

00:28:38.360 they but at the end of the day you know you you went on and did your own thing and this is how you

00:28:43.040 you kind of progressed and made decisions you had opportunity to to you know have a civilized debate

00:28:49.420 in a in a you know in a forum without without having to hate the person that had a different

00:28:56.080 opinion than you right and we've lost that now like everybody you know if if what do you think that

00:29:01.740 is why do you think we've lost that well i think i listen at the end of the day if you haven't watched

00:29:07.820 the social dilemma the netflix um documentary uh you're doing yourself a disservice you should as soon

00:29:14.720 as you're finished watching this you should go to netflix look it up and watch it and you'll

00:29:19.020 understand how we get manipulated so every time you pick up your phone every time you're on

00:29:25.760 instagram facebook tiktok whatever your thing is okay um you're being manipulated there's algorithms and

00:29:32.900 ai that literally are are are adjusting themselves to get you to go deeper down the rabbit hole and and

00:29:43.480 and i it sounds you know it sounds like a like a conspiracy theory and it sounds like a a um you

00:29:51.180 know this or or uh george or whether this orwellian 1984 but it's happening like and and this this is

00:30:00.100 people that left those companies that wanted to speak out and say hey this is how your algorithm

00:30:07.140 works do you think it's do you think you know you get your phone do you do you think it's coincidence

00:30:11.600 that all of a sudden you click on one thing about you know vaccines whatever side of the equation you're

00:30:18.920 on and then next thing you know more of that starts showing up and and depending if if you spend 4.1

00:30:26.100 seconds on this uh post and 2.8 you're going to get to see more and at the end of the day

00:30:32.260 we've got we've got um ai we've got algorithms we've got companies that are interested in driving

00:30:39.540 um i don't know if it's fair to say interested in driving a wedge between people but they're

00:30:47.400 interested in feeding you more and more and more um of what keeps you on that algorithm right of sort

00:30:54.260 of what keeps you on that app so all of a sudden now you're only getting one side of this equation

00:31:01.280 and you're only getting this um this force-fed um left or right and it it does it just by

00:31:10.140 just by definition it creates a division it creates a separation so now you know democrats and republicans

00:31:18.740 can't speak to each other they both look at each other like assholes liberals and conservatives you know

00:31:23.280 you have those arguments and and your argument uh you're not argument sorry your position earlier

00:31:29.060 so i had a debate with somebody going back and forth over the the vaccines and and i said listen

00:31:34.100 um i ended up getting the vaccine i i have a company that does infection control and all that

00:31:39.880 stuff and i i'm going into spots where it's man i said you know what i gotta get it we own a gym

00:31:45.080 so we we got it it's personal choice normally i would never get vaccines in general right i don't

00:31:51.860 get the flu one i don't do that but i you know that was my decision decided to do it you know i'm

00:31:57.560 going to live with it whatever the consequences be whether there are aren't any and you know i

00:32:03.180 had this debate with uh with one guy and we were back and forth and and um and he says yeah but you

00:32:10.080 know your your decisions if because i was arguing saying that people should have the right to choose

00:32:14.480 right uh regardless of what i actually did people should have the right to choose

00:32:19.160 and he was saying well no yeah but you you can't make a decision that affects me that costs me that

00:32:26.000 costs the health care system and everything else and i and i sat there and i said so i you know so

00:32:32.220 wait a minute i said so the government should be able to tell you should be able to give you a calorie

00:32:36.540 intake every day should be able to tell you that no listen yeah you need to lose um you know 85

00:32:42.540 pounds pal you know you need to hit the gym i said because the odds are likely that you'll be in the

00:32:48.600 hospital more than i will right that's what i wonder man you know because because i've heard

00:32:53.920 that argument you know quite a few times like oh you shouldn't be allowed to make a unilateral

00:32:58.240 decision that would affect the state health care system that would affect my health you know blah

00:33:03.640 blah blah sort of thing but people can go out and smash back you know gallons of booze and drive

00:33:10.560 yeah they kill somebody but they still sell booze right um there's a social credit system coming i was

00:33:18.080 talking about this on a video last week on my channel and um it's already here you know like it is

00:33:23.780 it already it is already here it already exists um the example that i use was with uh elon musk and

00:33:30.460 tesla because they have this uh fsd program coming out which is full self-driving and you only get to

00:33:37.760 uh update your car with the fsd system if you have a perfect 100 out of 100 driving score so that

00:33:45.400 so the car monitors your driving like how fast you go around the corners what the g's are how hard you

00:33:51.120 break how close you follow somebody and then it assigns you a score based on your driving habits and

00:33:56.880 if your driving habits are 100 out of 100 then they let you download and update your car with full self

00:34:02.640 driving which is bizarre to me because if the car is going to drive you what does it matter what you know

00:34:07.160 how fast you're going around corners or how how close you're following somebody but you're getting

00:34:12.760 access to things or being denied access to things based on a credit score that they're tracking you

00:34:19.260 want it's not just tesla that's doing this i mean the government's doing it um and i mean you could

00:34:24.220 argue that they're doing it with this um jab passport you know situation it's like oh well if you haven't

00:34:29.520 got the piece of paper saying that you've been jabbed then you can't go to peach gym you can't go to a

00:34:33.820 movie theater you can't sit down and dine in a restaurant because your social credit score isn't

00:34:38.600 adequate that's not what they're saying but that's essentially what's going on what it boils down to

00:34:43.060 i mean you know i've it's curious i'm curious to hear your thoughts on it because i've i've had

00:34:47.680 you know i've had again healthy debates with people because i really do um i really do try and listen to

00:34:55.240 both sides of an argument and i think people should i said listen you know if you're only listening to

00:34:59.580 the right that's when you create that listen to the right listen to the left look at and and don't

00:35:05.200 just take everything at face value right i mean look at those things look where they're getting

00:35:09.940 their information is it credible or is it just they have an agenda that they're selling right

00:35:14.800 and then make your own decision um but but yeah man with um

00:35:20.580 um with stuff like that and and you know and and the the pressure is getting ratcheted up so i i saw

00:35:28.040 today that that it looks like it's possible that we will be moving out of stage three i have to

00:35:34.340 assume into stage four because numbers are coming down and everything what's stage four well so

00:35:39.680 basically you know um three four five is wide open no restrictions everything's gone back to normal

00:35:46.540 quote unquote right do you think that's ever going to happen again do you think that we're ever going

00:35:51.460 not the way we remember it no and not even necessarily just because of of uh what the

00:35:57.820 government says at some point yes i really do believe that they'll say okay no more

00:36:02.840 code restrictions and that sort of thing yeah but i think there's been a massive paradigm shift in the

00:36:07.960 way people function yeah so i don't know if we're ever going to go back to you know what what we thought

00:36:14.100 was normal three years ago um but but so now they're talking today uh i i thought there might there may

00:36:20.340 even be an announcement coming as we as we're here on this uh podcast um but if you move into stage

00:36:27.660 four they'll take the restrictions off the gyms that you know their capacity limits will be removed

00:36:32.980 um you know uh proximity limits uh will be either removed or reduced you know all this sort of thing

00:36:39.880 but i don't think that the passport mandate will get removed no because that will be likely one of

00:36:48.340 the few things left so it'll be pretty close to to normal but it's still that they you know pushing

00:36:55.760 to get everybody to get the vaccine yeah because they want to track you you know they want to know

00:37:00.720 as much as possible about you and if they i mean i would tip my hat and give them award if there's one

00:37:08.240 available for manipulating you know the sheeple into following all of these tactics and agendas because

00:37:14.540 not many people have questioned them or asked you know why are we doing this for the most part they're

00:37:19.080 just like well okay boss you know whatever you say but um yeah i think you're right because i mean

00:37:24.120 um the ford government's been talking about this um new app which is going to integrate all of your

00:37:30.800 um identification cards your driver's license your health card your uh position your uh uh possession

00:37:38.140 and acquisition license so pretty much every single card that that you have in your wallet will be

00:37:43.840 integrated into the one app which they're also going to i'm guessing infuse with the um vaccine

00:37:49.960 passport tracking so you can you can pretty much be guaranteed that that you're going to have to stick

00:37:56.400 stuff in your body for the rest of your life so long as you all go along you know to get along with

00:38:02.080 what they're telling you to do um it's just i don't know man like it's it's it's something that's

00:38:08.500 happened you know how they like you know talk about um you know boiling the frog slowly it

00:38:12.800 doesn't you know doesn't recognize what's going on it's like that's basically what's happened over

00:38:16.260 the last few years and the vast majority of the population is plugged into the lies like like

00:38:21.660 they're okay with it like they're drunk with it it's like yeah okay boss you know just give me my

00:38:25.280 freedom back and i'll do whatever you say sort of thing it's like well if you didn't give it up to

00:38:28.840 begin with then you wouldn't have to ask for it back yeah yeah and this is the biggest problem i mean i

00:38:34.340 listen regardless of what side of the the vaccine um issue you're on get it don't get it that's your

00:38:44.020 business um i have a bigger problem with the level of involvement that the government has been

00:38:53.460 slowly giving again the boil the frog right like i don't understand how in this country anyway in canada

00:39:01.020 people are not up in arms about bill c50 and and you know um internet uh regulation and censorship

00:39:08.620 and whatnot and and uh i'm like guys this is not right this is not right no they're they're basically

00:39:15.320 going to say what you can what you can see what you can't see what you look at i said you know what

00:39:20.140 other type of countries do that um you know china uh uh cuba i mean there's a theme here i said you know

00:39:27.860 wake up um you know and again i had this debate with again the same gentleman as as previous where

00:39:34.220 it was kind of one big long one and i'm like uh listen i said they're just they're getting too

00:39:38.920 involved they're giving themselves too much power and if it's one thing i've learned through experience

00:39:42.680 people don't like to give back power once they have it right that's the challenge um

00:39:48.760 which is one of the reasons why uh the u.s you know the right to bear arms why people are militant

00:39:55.160 down there it's like no no um we had to fight to get you know our freedom our country um you know

00:40:01.000 we're not we're not giving it back we're not we're not letting you you know take away the things that

00:40:05.240 you know that make you afraid of us so to speak anyway um having this discussion i said listen does

00:40:11.960 that not bother you that that somebody is going to tell you what you can and the guy says um no what

00:40:19.020 do you mean he goes somebody's gotta somebody's gotta make sure the truth gets out there and i said

00:40:23.020 well okay okay fair enough let's go down that rabbit hole who gets to determine what the truth is

00:40:29.620 and he looks at me like what do you mean i said well who gets to determine what the truth is i said

00:40:35.980 you know we've got an issue here in this country some people are for you know um whatever vaccine

00:40:43.600 passports or for whatever is being proposed others are against it i said so are you telling me

00:40:48.240 that we should just trust that the the current government in power um is going to determine

00:40:56.820 what the truth is the truth is going to be the truth according to them and their platform

00:41:01.160 well no that's not i said you don't think so i said just you know watch so this is going to happen

00:41:07.700 i said and then in four years hopefully when we get a new government um the next government that

00:41:13.720 comes in that if their platform is different they'll get to decide the truth and you're never

00:41:18.860 really going to have the truth you're never going to have the ability to do any critical thinking

00:41:22.980 because you're only being fed one side of a story let me ask you this question does does any of this

00:41:28.720 stuff scare you and your wife because you've got kids right oh buddy i can tell you right now

00:41:33.720 this is the first time ever you know we've always talked and joked you know we should move to

00:41:40.200 hawaii we should move do this do that this is the first time that we actually um are had serious

00:41:46.620 conversations and continue to have serious conversations about moving to the states um

00:41:51.920 you know we were down in in uh texas for for um a bunch of other reasons um and actually went around

00:42:00.560 and looked at you know houses and everything else like well listen you get a lot of house for half the

00:42:05.320 money there oh man i gotta tell you um now real estate in texas is skyrocketing because everybody's

00:42:12.420 moving there yeah it's been a huge explosion in in uh immigration i guess you'd call it into texas

00:42:19.520 um because of their stance on things they're like they do not give up their freedom easily down there

00:42:25.280 i can tell you that it's like you want to come you want to take our freedom come get it right there's

00:42:30.120 there's not a lot of uh there's not a lot of uh of middle ground there and i and i love them for it

00:42:35.980 they speak the truth they're they're decent people they're polite um you know manners out the wazoo

00:42:42.960 my favorite teams from there so it's a you know the first time we've actually considered and and i got

00:42:49.960 to be honest if if some of this stuff that they're bringing into play like the liberal government has been

00:42:55.280 talking about uh capital gains tax and even more like we're the one of the most heavily taxed

00:43:01.660 countries in the world where i think we're what are we top three or something yeah definitely the top

00:43:06.220 five maybe even the top three yeah yeah you know and we're shooting for number one like listen i

00:43:11.860 promised you these the liberal government is shooting to get us to number one um you're talking

00:43:16.220 about capital gains on your principal residence for most people their home is usually their single

00:43:22.400 biggest investment not for everybody but for most people right and and so imagine now you're going

00:43:27.540 to have to pay tax on the equity that you've built up on your house that again most people are like well

00:43:34.100 geez this is kind of this was my nest egg right this is i put my money into this and you know this is how

00:43:39.800 i'm going to retire through a reverse mortgage or to sell and downsize whatever it is and now they want

00:43:45.220 to tax it and i'm like you know if this if more of this um tax and spend keeps coming through

00:43:51.020 i gotta be honest man i think we're out what's it gonna take to push you over because i know a lot

00:43:56.480 of guys i mean i can probably count them on two hands maybe you know two hands and a foot that have

00:44:01.260 left in the last couple years a lot of them were basically at the point where like you know what

00:44:04.940 i understand this is canada and yeah i'm doing my part and i'll i'll i'll pay the highest tax rate but

00:44:11.700 the but the straw that broke the camel's back for a lot of them was like the whole lockdowns and the

00:44:16.540 removal of uh rights and freedoms yeah rights and freedoms and a lot of them have moved down to

00:44:22.360 tax free havens in the caribbean to mexico a few in europe um you know the lower tax nations like

00:44:29.060 what's it going to take for you to pull the trigger to move not much more i can tell you that i mean if

00:44:34.300 if you don't understand that we are a socialist country now then you're either being naive or you're

00:44:41.420 misinformed pick one right what do you think is going to happen if if more guys start to like more

00:44:48.200 of the high income earners that are basically the tax cattle because let's be honest i mean

00:44:52.180 you know if you're running a business and you employ people and you're a employer you're ceo like

00:44:58.880 an entrepreneur you're paying a lot of tax you know yourself personally through your business

00:45:02.780 through uh source deductions you know for your employees there's a lot of taxes that are being

00:45:07.620 collected and sent to the government so you're basically being milked as tax cattle like yeah

00:45:11.240 what could possibly happen if a good chunk of that demographic in the canadian population says

00:45:16.360 you know what i'm out well this again it's not rocket science you know the answer to this question

00:45:20.560 before you asked it because at the end of the day what happens if you you know if if the kid that

00:45:25.820 brings the ball to the field keeps getting you know uh pushed around and kicked and mistreated

00:45:30.660 takes his ball and he goes home go somewhere else and that's exactly what happens if if i decide if i

00:45:36.540 finally get there and i'm not far i really am not far um you know if are you still in the o no i left

00:45:43.720 the o i was uh i was gonna ask you like what's the like what's the consensus with the uh other guys with

00:45:49.100 that i'm hearing more and more of it just the same thing it's like look if this happens we're just

00:45:55.360 leaving and if and if i leave uh all the jobs that i have here leave with me um you know my uh investments

00:46:04.120 i'm and i'm gonna open a business wherever i go right yeah um you know i'm either gonna sell off

00:46:10.600 but before there's this capital gains nonsense sell everything off find a nice spot to uh uh you know

00:46:17.680 ride off into the sunset and do it somewhere else that actually appreciates me that's the reality

00:46:23.160 it's what's gonna happen and and people think oh well you know we gotta more and more taxes from um

00:46:29.520 from businesses and trudeau called entrepreneurs uh didn't he call us crooks at one point he did yeah

00:46:34.340 he called us crooks literally called us crooks yeah i'm like are you fucking kidding me like from what

00:46:39.420 i pay personally in taxes my wife pays our companies pay um the what i pay for you know um

00:46:47.360 materials all the supplies all the things that we pump into the economy that get taxed at an enormous

00:46:55.300 rate the amount of fuel for the vehicles like all this stuff all that goes away and guess what the

00:47:01.220 few that are left are gonna keep paying more and more until somebody finally says enough right it's

00:47:07.720 it's really so bizarre to me that that that people fall for that because it's like how do you not see

00:47:13.660 that they're trying to weaponize the public against each other you know it's it's you know it's got to

00:47:18.860 be you know the haves versus the have-nots you know sort of thing as if the haves got you know what

00:47:23.660 they got to i mean like we were talking about this the other day where it's like you know someone will

00:47:27.780 come along and say oh it must be nice you know like with your new car or something like that and

00:47:32.920 it's like they actually believe that the government cares about them they actually think that that all

00:47:38.560 of these um you know oh well the entrepreneurs are crooks or these business owners are crooks and

00:47:44.380 they're not doing their share it's like oh really yeah oh really like that's why some of these guys

00:47:49.860 staying in power yeah that's it the government cares about staying in power period period that's

00:47:55.400 it right getting bigger fatter and having a longer term exactly the largest employer in ontario is the

00:48:00.720 government it is it is you know i was talking to um a guy by the name of george gammon i don't know if

00:48:05.760 you if you know who he is but he's a um he's a bit of an economist and he's got a youtube channel

00:48:10.200 we did this collab together a couple months ago and i was shocked to learn that um i think it was the gdp

00:48:16.500 um it was something like in the 50s because he uses this hashtag and the fed and it's not that

00:48:21.560 much you know different in canada you know the way the government works it's just you know the u.s

00:48:25.600 government light basically um or light and more liberal um and he said something along the lines

00:48:31.520 of somewhere in the 50s the um the the federal government would have amounted to something like

00:48:38.840 five percent of the gdp and and then he asked me well what do you think it is today and i was like well

00:48:44.260 i have no idea you know 20 25 he says no it's it's it's close to like 50 or 60 is what they're

00:48:51.220 responsible for with the gross domestic product uh product and i don't think it's that much

00:48:57.720 different in can like i don't know what the exact number is i'm willing to say rich it would not

00:49:02.840 surprise me if we're higher uh it it was population less less gdp i look around sometimes when i'm driving

00:49:09.300 on a road and it's like they repave a section of a road that really didn't need to be repaved i'm like

00:49:13.900 well why did they do this and it just you know dawns on me it's like well to spend some money to

00:49:17.920 have some people do some work so that they can you know throw more money in the system and tax

00:49:22.040 them and put some money in people's pockets to buy shit right it wasn't about you know like that

00:49:25.940 needed repair it was just like they just needed to spend some money on something otherwise it

00:49:30.400 probably doesn't you know otherwise they don't budget next year's budget exactly right i want to

00:49:34.540 ask you two more things um the first is i've noticed lately that a lot of entrepreneurs very

00:49:40.920 very successful men you know that that are weapons you know they put a dent in the universe

00:49:44.260 they've created um you know fantastic products and services but i've noticed lately that most of them

00:49:50.060 are predominantly beta males they mostly lean left they're more socialist they're weaker

00:49:57.080 they have um they i mean like you can tell when you talk to somebody you listen to their vocal

00:50:03.200 tonality if they're estrogen dominant or if they're testosterone dominant you can just tell

00:50:07.280 and i just wanted to ask you that you know from your perspective i don't know if you've noticed

00:50:10.700 that or why you think that is i i i can like what i think it is is that it's just easier it's easy

00:50:21.320 some some people are geared to um lead a pack um and others are not and there's a role for the for

00:50:32.400 everybody i mean you look at a wolf pack and you know there's only one alpha um right there's uh

00:50:39.220 i'm just listening to my wife in the other room sorry um you know so so it's just easier you don't

00:50:46.900 have to have those those um those difficult conversations you don't have to say that you

00:50:52.520 know like i've i've had conversations say hey you know guys it's okay to be a man it just it doesn't

00:50:58.840 and it doesn't it sound weird to even say that like you have to say it's okay to be a it's okay

00:51:04.040 to be a man it's it's okay to um you know to be masculine it's like somehow we got flipped and it's

00:51:12.420 it's just easier you don't have to you know you don't have to endure being shouted down um you don't

00:51:19.820 have to endure um um you know being beaten into submission with political correctness right

00:51:28.260 yeah it's just crazy i find it hard to find guys like that today i mean it's one of the reasons

00:51:33.580 why um i really like you know the guys that i roll with in the car club and i've brought you out

00:51:37.960 a few times too and you've met a lot of them as well and it's like yeah there's no soy there like

00:51:41.620 there is no soy there i don't think we would qualify to for uh for tesla's uh full self-driving

00:51:48.380 program yeah they definitely wouldn't give it to us there's no chance let me grab these two super

00:51:52.780 chats real quick and i got one more question for you the competent man says taxing the gains

00:51:56.140 on equity in a house is usually really not a gain it's usually just inflation over time in the same

00:52:01.020 purchase yeah pretty much i mean like once you're factoring uh property taxes uh home repairs and

00:52:07.160 maintenance and the fact that the um the value that goes up in the house what is it maybe four

00:52:13.460 or five percent a year three four or five percent a year now what's the rate of inflation it's like

00:52:17.980 you know it's the same right now it's three four or five percent isn't it yeah i think the biggest

00:52:21.640 i i think the biggest um thing basically normally it would be a wash 100 i think what's going on is

00:52:30.100 they're seeing that the um equity in homes has been skyrocketing in some cases because you've got

00:52:36.000 foreign investment that's coming in and and snapping up these places toronto was was a grossly

00:52:41.840 undervalued cosmopolitan city you know the guys from rockstar real estate in oakville yeah so i was

00:52:49.400 watching a video on their channel like i subscribe to that channel too they don't put out too much but

00:52:52.820 i was watching a video and they were showing how the housing prices track the m1 money supply so the

00:52:58.000 more money that gets pumped into the economy by the fed the housing prices rise at the same rate

00:53:03.920 of course well listen you keep interest rates low you make money readily available people are gonna

00:53:10.120 people are gonna gamble right they're gonna they're gonna you know look at it and and in some ways i

00:53:15.060 don't i don't mind that to a certain extent um i think again just to finish the thought i think we

00:53:19.560 saw so much foreign investment so much um free money um and and actually literally flee free over the

00:53:28.880 last 18 months um for some people um that you've seen these skyrocketing uh real estate values you know

00:53:37.120 you buy a place for half a million and you know a year and a half later it's you know it's a million

00:53:41.560 you made half a million dollars in 18 months so i think that they looked at that and said geez well

00:53:46.640 um you know we've got to we've got to get a piece of that um you know we've got to we've got to figure

00:53:53.160 out how to keep feeding this this machine that we've created right um so so if you know again if

00:54:00.740 you look at from you know the 50s 60s 70s house prices didn't you know hockey stick you know they they

00:54:08.640 they did slowly but it was you know a a reasonable you know uh uptake and now all of a sudden it's

00:54:16.520 been you know there are hockey sticks tracking the same hockey stick with the m1 money supply the same

00:54:22.000 amount of money that's pumped in the economy it's just insane uh competent man says in the u.s we

00:54:26.640 already have a fed gas tax per gallon it's supposed to pay for roads but now proposal to add per mile

00:54:32.300 tax eight cents per so typical driver would pay about one dollar one thousand dollars more per year

00:54:36.620 wait till wait till the social credit system has gotten to the point where they have a carbon tax

00:54:41.860 system that's tracking your fuel consumption carbon output your carbon output and then you go to the

00:54:47.860 gas pump one day and you can't get gas because you've exceeded the limit you know for the month

00:54:51.820 i'm telling you guys you know you keep giving up your freedoms you know you keep letting them

00:54:55.380 make these unilateral choices on how you can maneuver as a guy around the world you're gonna like don't

00:55:00.900 be surprised when things start to disappear and you know the other side of the equation too is what

00:55:06.040 happens to the to the lefty guys you know when they want to go to the grocery store and they want

00:55:10.400 to buy their soy product and they've exceeded their limit because soy is now for the most part

00:55:15.080 grown in the amazon rainforest where they chop down trees and your carbon tax credit has exceeded your

00:55:20.500 limitations and now you have to go home with a bag of uh bugs or something like that like honey

00:55:24.720 mustard flavored bugs and you can't have your soy so you know like i do like honey mustard think

00:55:29.360 about it though think about it though um i want to ask you one more question because i mean

00:55:32.920 and you can pass on this one if you want but you've had a very successful relationship with

00:55:37.780 your wife yeah and it's one of the things a lot of guys struggle with can you talk about that you

00:55:43.180 know you want to talk about any like success that you want to yeah i don't know if i have any answers

00:55:47.340 but i'm happy to talk about it sure yeah i mean as far as i can tell like i've known you guys for a

00:55:51.740 long time you seem pretty solid right yeah yeah oh you have your ups and downs like every couple i mean

00:55:57.780 if you if you if you believe the fairy tale if you believe that disney is the goal it's not going

00:56:02.540 to happen you just just let's get that you know right out of the gate but they were yeah i mean you

00:56:09.220 know um i i'm i'm one of the guys that actually loves his wife i mean plain and simple um you know

00:56:15.920 what we um you know we we have our disagreements we kind of you know we we agree on core values which i think

00:56:25.640 was the was one of the is one of the biggest things that that can create a strong relationship

00:56:32.360 i i am who i am i've i've never did you guys talk about that before you got together like did you

00:56:37.140 like lay the groundwork on what your core values were to just kind of watch the behavior and then

00:56:40.600 decide yeah great question yeah no we we did we spoke um you know um geez in the beginning we just

00:56:47.480 wouldn't shut up so we we you know and we've been married a long time now and we date a long time so

00:56:51.720 so you know you don't have those same um um um what's the word i'm looking for you know um

00:56:59.440 passionate conversations because we're we're literally trying to find out about somebody right

00:57:05.840 so what kind of oh and i like and this is the soap i like and you know all these crazy things um

00:57:10.800 we know all that stuff now but yeah man we would sit there at uh um wherever we were out on the date

00:57:17.800 at a bar or whatever and we'd sit there and talk about you know well what do you think what do you

00:57:22.020 you know what's what do you think is the we'd actually i do remember this conversation what do

00:57:26.660 you think is is the guy's role what is your role i'm like you know and and we actually walk around

00:57:31.580 now and it's we have pink jobs and blue jobs and i i know you're not allowed to say pink and blue

00:57:37.040 anymore are you allowed to say pink and blue anymore i don't even say whatever you want on my channel

00:57:40.200 bro i'm not gonna say yeah no no that's a pink job right and it's no no no that's a pink job and

00:57:46.300 and or i'll say hey can you and she's like no no no that's a blue job you know go get your

00:57:51.000 fucking ass in gear and get it done so you know we have those kinds of conversations and we're

00:57:56.100 we're honest and we we try and talk things out do we do we argue 100 what do you think when um

00:58:01.840 when you're at like uh i don't know van or you're around a bunch of other couples and

00:58:05.400 you know there's always that one guy that says well happy wife happy life like what do you think of that

00:58:09.540 i i believe there's some truth to that but i believe that the context is wrong um um you know

00:58:18.320 in order in order for me to give um my wife the things that make her happy to some level she has

00:58:26.360 to give me some of the things that make me happy and i think that kind of makes a little more sense

00:58:31.100 but if what if what you mean when you say that is uh no no you just um you know if i can tuck your

00:58:37.660 tail and and uh you know do whatever it is that that she wants and makes her happy um

00:58:44.400 you're in for a long ride my friend and it's not going to be fun it's just not we sit there and

00:58:50.780 and and we've sat we've had conversations and we've we've had um people that we know have gone

00:58:57.900 through some pretty bad stuff and she's actually come to me and you know we've had them and it's like

00:59:02.440 geez you know sometimes he's just got to step up and if i can say no that's not how it's going to

00:59:08.900 play out right that's i i think i think strong women appreciate strong men stronger men yeah

00:59:17.960 they're not afraid of them they they get it like like i never understood this that whole

00:59:23.620 um rhetoric it's like oh well um somehow um somehow being um you know men and women are are the same

00:59:37.140 and and and i think they confuse equal and the same men and women are not the same and frankly i love

00:59:44.500 the differences between men and women amen um right but but at the end of the day um just because

00:59:52.040 we're different doesn't mean we're not equal like i look at my wife as an equal we just have

00:59:57.820 different roles right and we love each other for the roles that we have man it's it's good like but

01:00:03.380 you you know you've got you've got to have those you got to have those tough conversations and you've

01:00:09.900 got to you got to have some balls right you've got to be able to say hey listen um um this is this

01:00:17.640 is the way i am this is the way it works right and she's listen it doesn't prevent women from

01:00:22.420 standing up and saying the same you got to decide if you're compatible or not at the end of the day

01:00:27.140 all right well with that being said we've killed an hour that went by fast that was awesome um i'm

01:00:33.020 gonna wrap it up because i want to respect your time i know you have some stuff to do um where can

01:00:36.880 people find you if you want to put out some uh like social or anything where you want people to

01:00:41.360 follow you is there anything you want to mention um geez uh instagram is the kind of instagram facebook

01:00:46.860 i'm looking at starting up some uh a podcast but instagram is uh at pistol pete ferrante um

01:00:54.540 uh two r's and ferrante and then um facebook is just pete ferrante peter ferrante sorry

01:01:00.980 go guys that's it and that's and then if you know if i do decide to run with that i love this format

01:01:07.560 by the way so if i do decide to run with it we'll uh we'll have you out as the first guest and you can

01:01:12.240 you can you know um show me the ropes here i got it all right brother uh stick around for a sec while

01:01:18.420 i end the show thanks guys and next monday i have uh rollo on uh the unplugged alpha podcast talking

01:01:25.180 about religion and the red pill so we'll see you guys on peace out

Playing to Win - March 02, 2022

046 - Pete Ferrante

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