Playing to Win - 051 - Gregory O’Gallagher From Kinobody

00:00:00.960 All right, guys, we're live for the 51th installment of the Playing to Win series, and I'm joined

00:00:06.600 today by none other, Greg O'Gallagher from the Kino Body brand.

00:00:10.660 How you doing, man?

00:00:11.600 I'm good, man.

00:00:12.460 How are you?

00:00:13.480 We're good.

00:00:14.080 We're good here.

00:00:14.900 I've, you know, I always like to chop it up with guys before I do one of these, and this

00:00:20.240 is the first time we've actually connected.

00:00:21.660 We had like 30 seconds before I hit the live button, but I watched a few interesting interviews

00:00:26.860 that you did in the last year, one on Pillow Talks.

00:00:30.020 We're going to be talking about the ladies, if you're ready for some of that shit, and

00:00:34.420 I want to talk about business and how you built your brand, and basically the whole premise

00:00:38.620 and theme around the playlist is how, you know, guys are playing to win in life, because there's

00:00:42.940 two ways, there's two distinct ways that I see men usually playing.

00:00:46.920 It's either playing to win or playing not to lose, and I just want to get some clarity

00:00:50.800 out there for guys watching.

00:00:52.140 This is the sort of stuff that we're going to hit on.

00:00:53.580 We're going to dive down a rabbit hole on Greg and what he's done with his life, because

00:00:57.360 it's pretty extraordinary.

00:00:58.460 I mean, there's a lot of dudes out there that hit me up that are younger, they're 20, they're

00:01:01.900 19, and that's when you got started, you know, building your Kino Body brand and what you

00:01:05.780 did for yourself, and I think you're about 30 now, if I'm not mistaken?

00:01:09.300 Yeah, 30.

00:01:10.400 Yeah, and if memory serves, you hit your first million around the age of 24.

00:01:15.380 You started around 19?

00:01:17.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:18.280 24 was when I, like, banked first mil after tax.

00:01:21.980 All right, and you're in Toronto, so you're a local guy, haven't had the pleasure of running

00:01:27.080 into you yet, IRL, but how did you get started with, you know, self-care and monetizing, taking

00:01:35.800 your shirt off, I suppose, is the best way to, you know, summarize it?

00:01:39.940 You know, the thing to kind of state is that, like, I had a passion for fitness at a really,

00:01:45.580 really young age.

00:01:46.600 Like, literally 13, I was, like, already obsessed with the idea of working out, building muscle,

00:01:52.160 doing push-ups, lifting weights, and so throughout my entire teenage years, like, working out was

00:01:59.820 my passion, and something I was really, really obsessed with, and I would read all kinds

00:02:04.180 of content, and so that actually, like, helped me.

00:02:07.920 It wasn't just like, oh, I'm 18 or 19 now, I got into fitness last year, and now I want

00:02:12.700 to monetize it.

00:02:14.040 This was something that was, that I was always, always very into, and so at 19 years old,

00:02:21.240 I felt very disenfranchised from university, from going to school, doing a program for four

00:02:28.380 years, working up the corporate ladder.

00:02:30.420 I wanted to kind of build my own thing, and the idea of building a business around fitness,

00:02:35.100 like, was the dream.

00:02:36.500 I was like, this is, like, I love fitness.

00:02:37.980 This isn't even a job.

00:02:39.120 This is what I really want to do, and I started personal training, but I just didn't, it didn't

00:02:46.920 see personal, like, training clients every day just did not, was not fulfilling to me.

00:02:52.320 I didn't see really, like, the big picture there, and I remember getting my first mentor,

00:02:58.360 a guy named Rusty Moore, and he was building a fitness blog that was getting, you know, hundreds

00:03:05.580 of thousands of visits a month, and he was an affiliate marketer, and he was actually,

00:03:10.040 you know, building a six-figure income with his blog, and then that, like, that really

00:03:15.420 sparked my interest.

00:03:16.260 I was like, I could do this.

00:03:17.220 I could create content on fitness and, you know, build traffic, build an email list, and

00:03:24.100 then start to, you know, promote different programs or build my own, and that's, like,

00:03:29.540 at 19, that's when I started Kino Body, and, like, I never went back from there.

00:03:36.080 Why did fitness fascinate you?

00:03:37.960 Like, why all the push-ups and, you know, the working out and the obsession with it?

00:03:43.760 I remember, like, growing up, like, kind of watching movies with Arnold Schwarzenegger,

00:03:48.720 Sylvester Stallone, Van Damme, and I just, I kind of saw these characters that were strong

00:03:53.540 and powerful, and I wanted that, you know, I think as a kid, I felt a little small, and

00:03:59.440 I wanted, like, I just, like, in my blood, I just wanted to be strong and powerful.

00:04:04.580 I didn't want anyone to mess with me, so I think the initial driver of fitness was more

00:04:09.960 so I could handle myself, so I could protect myself, so I could defend myself, so no one

00:04:14.560 could even bully me, and it was never about impressing girls.

00:04:18.980 The driver was kind of to feel like that role model that I was seeing in that movie.

00:04:25.740 Did you get bullied as a kid?

00:04:27.000 Like, did you feel...

00:04:28.800 Nothing crazy, but just kind of a little bit, just, you know, just a little bit, and

00:04:33.440 it just, like, I just remember just the feeling of it, just never wanted to feel like that.

00:04:37.160 Like, I think some people can get, like, bullied, and they let it, like, for me, it's

00:04:40.740 like, like, I have a chip on my shoulder with that, so, like, I, like, a little, a little

00:04:45.580 bullying, I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna go train, I'm gonna do whatever I have

00:04:48.140 to do, I don't want to ever be in that position.

00:04:50.340 Yeah, I think Schwarzenegger was what, you know, flipped the switch for me.

00:04:55.300 When I saw him in Conan, I was like, whoa, like, that's, that's pretty impressive, right?

00:05:00.480 It's, like, no homo, it was just, like, straight up, how can somebody look like that, and everybody

00:05:05.400 else looks like that, and this guy's able to command that level of presence.

00:05:11.320 I remember when I was, it was probably around the same age as you, and I was, I was, like,

00:05:15.420 a little bit of a, well, I wasn't a little bit, I was actually a really scrawny kid, because

00:05:18.540 I think around 12 or 13, I was about 6 foot, 6 foot 1, and I was maybe, like, 130 pounds,

00:05:24.620 and my dad gave me this mail order, basically a pamphlet from when he got it, when he was

00:05:32.680 in the Royal Air Force, and it was done by this guy called Charles Atlas, I don't know

00:05:36.240 if you know about that program?

00:05:38.560 Yeah, no, Charles, he was one of the, like, early, kind of fitness figures.

00:05:41.760 Yeah, like one of the originals, right, like the OG, and it's, like, you know, it was a

00:05:46.420 program called Dynamic Tensions, and it was, like, you know, push-ups and chin-ups, and

00:05:50.380 you'd, you know, if you wanted to build your chest, you'd, like, you know, put your hands

00:05:53.220 in like this, or if you wanted to build your biceps, you'd go like this, right, and do,

00:05:56.300 like, a curl, and it was a really interesting program, but it was just, like, I just went all

00:06:00.820 in with it, too, man, it was, it was, fitness has always fascinated me, but, like, one of the

00:06:04.520 reasons why I follow Greg guys is, I think I came across your stuff maybe, like, four or five

00:06:09.980 years ago, and I saw this guy that was younger than me with a really good physique that was

00:06:15.400 out there doing the work, getting really good reach and views on YouTube and Instagram, and

00:06:21.080 then he started putting out these programs, and I always found, like, the stuff that you're

00:06:23.700 putting out was entertaining, too, like, it wasn't just, you know, educational, there was

00:06:28.860 a level of, like, there's a couple of produced videos that you did, Bruce Wayne one, there was

00:06:33.980 another one, but, you know, like, American Psycho, I think, yeah, right, really, really

00:06:38.960 good stuff, like, in fact, if you search for Greg's name on Google, like, you actually come

00:06:43.740 up as a filmmaker, yeah, yeah, yeah, how did that happen, I did a little, I did a little

00:06:50.400 executive producing in a film or two, and so, like, I got on IMDb and all that stuff, but

00:06:57.060 nothing, I haven't done anything, like, anything, like, I, you know, big there yet.

00:07:02.500 So, a lot of guys look at dudes like you, and they're like, oh, he's an overnight success,

00:07:06.460 he got lucky, or they'll chalk it, you know, chalk it up as, well, you know, he inherited

00:07:10.580 all of his money from his dad, because I know that your dad passed when you were younger,

00:07:13.540 and he had a real estate portfolio, you didn't really have an interest in real estate from

00:07:17.520 what I understood, and actually, one of the things I wanted to ask you about, because

00:07:21.280 there was a note somewhere that I saw that you went to university, and you basically dropped

00:07:26.160 out, because you saw the marketing strategies that they were teaching you was garbage, or

00:07:29.480 not useful in the real world, can you talk about that a little bit?

00:07:32.200 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I was on the fence about going to university to begin with, I wasn't

00:07:37.480 sure if it was even what I wanted to do, I went to kind of, I got sucked up into the moment,

00:07:42.780 with all my friends applying, and all that, and I went to school, and I just kind of remember

00:07:48.780 sitting in class, and just trying to, like, just trying to figure out the ROI, like, I'm sitting

00:07:53.780 in class, and I would say 10%, or 15% of the time, I'm like, okay, maybe there's utility

00:08:01.760 to this, and then 80, like, at least 80%, I was like, this is not going to help me, this

00:08:07.220 is not going to serve me in life, this is not going to help me build a business, make

00:08:10.300 money, become successful, and so I'm just like, why am I pouring in four years of my life

00:08:16.080 for something that's not directly going to help get me to my goal, and I, you know, I remember

00:08:20.400 one of the computer classes that we're in, we're learning this out, like, outdated website

00:08:24.720 development, that, that was pretty much obsolete at the time, and I'm like, this is, this is

00:08:30.420 so dumb, like, this is, like, this is a complete waste of time, and I'm in class, I'm looking

00:08:36.660 in the auditorium, okay, at university, you got, what, 150 people in an auditorium, everyone's

00:08:41.720 coughing, they're coughing, like, every three seconds, and I have, like, misophonia, that

00:08:46.840 stuff will annoy me, so I'm listening to all these people, they're sick, they're coughing,

00:08:49.860 they're drinking all the time, they're playing Farmville on the computer, and I'm like, is

00:08:54.060 this where I'm going to learn to become a multi-millionaire, and I'm like, this is garbage,

00:08:58.080 and, and then I pretty much checked out for the rest of the year, and just kind of, just

00:09:02.720 kind of did my own sort of self-study, and kind of went to, went through the motions, and

00:09:06.620 kind of just, kind of got the, the different gears kind of moving, and I think a lot of people

00:09:13.020 get, get swept up in the idea that they have to go to school, even though it's kind of

00:09:16.720 in vogue to tell you, you don't have to get, go to school, they just can't handle the

00:09:20.060 pressure of their friends, or family, or peers, basically, kind of telling them, hey, you

00:09:25.520 need that degree, for me, it's like, man, life is short, we have one life, I am not in

00:09:30.880 a million years, going to give away four years of my life, just to appease someone close to

00:09:36.420 me, no, I'm going to do what I want to do, and, you know, I always had that self-belief

00:09:41.580 that was kind of built and sharpened from training, that hey, if I want something, and

00:09:47.260 if I set a goal, and I'm willing to work for it, I will achieve that goal, it might

00:09:52.220 not be easy, it might not happen in one straight shot, but I will figure it out, and I will

00:09:56.880 get what I want, and, and that sort of self-belief, you want, like, you need to have, if you're

00:10:02.600 going to start a business, or kind of go against the grain.

00:10:06.460 You must have got some heat from family for dropping out of university, how did that go

00:10:09.580 do? Yeah, I got, I got, I definitely got some heat for the first couple years, and, you

00:10:21.000 know, it, it, it was, it was, you know, it was kind of, I think, like, the idea, kind

00:10:27.460 of what I put out, I was like, hey, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a year or two to figure

00:10:31.420 this out, and, you know, I can always go back to school, and I knew, like, I knew in my

00:10:35.800 head, I'm not gonna go back to school, but yeah, there was a lot of flack from friends,

00:10:38.880 from family, from my family friends, saying, like, you're making a colossal mistake, you

00:10:43.500 know, everyone thinks they can go and start a online business, and, and make money, it's,

00:10:48.180 it's, you know, it's not gonna happen, or, you know, you're gonna end up being a personal

00:10:52.120 trainer, and you, you can't, you came from this very, very successful family, you're not

00:10:57.520 gonna, you're not gonna be satisfied on a personal training salary, and, like, deep down,

00:11:02.640 like, I want, this is my life, I want to do what fulfills me.

00:11:06.420 We're gonna spend literally 60, 70% of our life in our career, in our job, so if you don't

00:11:12.520 like it, you're throwing your life away, and, and I didn't even set out, like, my goal, when

00:11:19.760 I got into the fitness online stuff, my goal was, I didn't care to, like, necessarily make

00:11:25.800 tons and tons of money, I just wanted to do what I love, and have freedom, you know, freedom

00:11:30.300 to kind of work where I want, freedom to, to, to run my business how I want, and my initial

00:11:36.520 goal was basically, you know what, by the time my friends graduate, so basically, in four,

00:11:43.040 three, four years, I want to be making six figures a year, online for my business, and,

00:11:49.520 like, that way, you know, my, my, all my peers, they're graduating school, they're having to

00:11:53.060 look for jobs, a lot of times, you probably know this, like, how many people graduate from

00:11:58.040 university, and they're working a job, they could have worked without, without that degree,

00:12:01.480 yeah, they're making my coffee at Starbucks most of the time, yeah, so I was like, you

00:12:04.980 know what, they're going to be running around trying to find jobs, and I'm going to be making

00:12:08.520 six figures from my online business, and I set that goal, and, and it happened, and, and

00:12:14.780 again, it took a long, long time for my fam, for my family to kind of give me that green

00:12:20.080 light of approval of what I was doing, like, I think I had to have, I think I had to be making

00:12:23.980 millions of dollars, and have, like, 10 people working for me, for them to finally get

00:12:27.320 it, but, but at first, like, oh, this is just a short-term kind of fad, or, wait, how are

00:12:32.360 you making money, I don't understand it, like, like, like, what is this, like, my, my mom had

00:12:37.240 to have literally her, like, family, friends, and lawyer, and be like, wow, what Gregory's

00:12:41.280 doing is so impressive, for her to even, like, be like, oh, it is impressive, so, like, it,

00:12:46.420 you know, it, it definitely, it definitely took a while, but, you know, it's, it's kind of,

00:12:54.940 like, that, the thing is, is that, like, if, if, if you're actually meant to do it, you

00:13:00.840 don't care, you don't mind the flack, like, if a little bit of your, if your family being

00:13:05.620 upset, and, and, and telling you no, like, like, you want that, you need that pressure

00:13:10.260 going against you, because if you can't handle that, you're not going to handle anything

00:13:13.600 else, and I think in life, it's good to have kind of that opposing pressure, because

00:13:19.320 it definitely, like, it, like, it, it, it makes you kind of, like, if, if everyone just

00:13:23.840 tells you, hey, building a business is easy, and yes, you're going to start this online

00:13:26.740 business, and you're going to make six figures in four years, and everything's going to go

00:13:29.740 smooth, like, if everyone's telling you that, like, then you're going to have, like, you're

00:13:34.620 going to expect it to go smooth, and when things get tough, you're just going to give

00:13:37.880 up, like, you need people to tell you, hey, this is really hard, it's not going to work

00:13:40.680 out, like, you're, you know, so I actually, like, respect that sort of pressure.

00:13:45.980 How long did it take for them to come around, and, and, like, see that it was the right choice,

00:13:50.700 and, I mean, a lot of times, what I noticed, like, even with my family, when I started my

00:13:54.180 first real big business, when I was 30, it took a few years, and then people started asking

00:13:59.680 me to hire them, you know, first, they were laughing at me, because of what I did, and then

00:14:02.880 it's like, okay, you know, 12, 24 months, like, within a few years, it was like, so do you

00:14:06.700 have an opening, you know, I've been watching what you've been doing, like, how long

00:14:09.740 did that take for you?

00:14:11.160 Yeah, and that's, yeah, so, I mean, the first, first few years, I think my friends and peers

00:14:16.400 I went to high school with that were in university were kind of like, oh, man, like, what's, you

00:14:19.500 know, what is Greg doing, like, he's, he's kind of like, like, they kind of saw, like, they

00:14:24.380 kind of saw me kind of, you know, take that first step into, like, a, like, downward progression

00:14:28.380 in life, and I would say, so I started in 19, I would say, like, like, things really started

00:14:36.760 getting good when I was, like, 20, 22, um, I, I, uh, I think when I bought, like, my first car,

00:14:44.900 it kind of, like, kind of changed the narrative.

00:14:47.900 What did you treat yourself to?

00:14:49.540 Um, so, I got, like, an, like, just an Audi A7, um, but, like, 22, it's, like, it's, at

00:14:55.740 22 years old, it's, uh, it's, uh, you know, it's, it's, uh, um, kind of, like, a big purchase.

00:15:02.360 Not too many 22-year-old kids are going, and, uh, and so, it wasn't anything crazy, like,

00:15:07.640 it was, it was, you know, if I financed it, and it was, like, literally nothing, like, it

00:15:11.040 didn't, it, like, it was, I could have done that way earlier, but just, just, you kind

00:15:14.900 of, I think, like, with, with, with kind of people observing you, like, it's, there's

00:15:20.020 certain, like, status signals that, like, trigger, oh, he's actually doing something, even

00:15:24.360 if it's relatively easy to do, so I can, I could have lots of money in the bank, but

00:15:27.840 no one's going to see that, but as soon as I go in and get a car, then it's, like, oh,

00:15:32.360 shit, like, this must be really working out, um, and then, uh, you know, and then, like,

00:15:37.420 I think, like, I think at one, like, one, uh, family dinner, you know, my, my, my, I

00:15:43.180 was probably 21, so this is probably before I even got a car, but I was, I think I was

00:15:47.540 21, everyone's at family, and then I come up in conversation, and then my mom is just

00:15:52.200 like, oh, Gregory should be in university, what is he doing with his business, and then

00:15:55.860 my, and then, you know, my, my, uh, like, you know, like, you know, what is your fallback

00:16:00.420 going to be, and I was like, I don't know, the 100k in my bank account at the time is a

00:16:03.700 pretty good fallback for now, um, and then, and then, like, then my

00:16:07.400 my whole family was like, wait, what the hell, like, this 21-year-old kid's got 100k

00:16:11.180 in his bank account, like, he's, he's doing something right, um, so, like, I mean, those

00:16:16.600 are the kind of, kind of the first, first little, little, uh, glimpses, but, um, but

00:16:22.180 I mean, you know, it's, end of the day, there's, there's, like, you know, Jim Carrey

00:16:26.000 had a very, very, very good quote from his father, uh, where he's referencing his father,

00:16:30.960 basically, where his father kind of took the safe route, um, worked kind of that, you

00:16:35.740 know, worked that kind of job he didn't really want to do, um, and, and in the end, he got

00:16:41.540 fired and was broke, and so, like, the main story is that you can fail at doing what you

00:16:46.980 don't want to do, so, you know, you might as well go after what you want, and, you know,

00:16:51.300 that's, that's the difference between playing not to lose and playing, playing to win right

00:16:54.800 there.

00:16:55.020 Yeah, exactly, so, so, I think, and then, you know, at 24, uh, you know, obviously, you

00:17:01.240 know, when, when the business got to that certain level, um, then pretty much, you know, everything,

00:17:08.460 everything, everything changed, um, and the Bruce Wayne video, and then kind of traveling

00:17:14.280 all over the place, um, getting recognized, like, a ton, um, and, you know, just kind of,

00:17:22.300 so, I'd say, like, really, like, kind of, kind of the seed was planted, like, 21, 22,

00:17:26.480 but the first, first 19, 20, the first two, two and a half years, um, two, first three

00:17:33.580 years, you're kind of going against, uh, you're kind of, you're kind of swimming against the,

00:17:38.420 the current, and then, and then at the year four, uh, the kind of, the things kind of switched,

00:17:44.440 and, and again, like, you have to, you know, the only person that matters that, like, believes

00:17:50.400 in you ultimately is going to be yourself, and I'm a very numbers oriented person, and

00:17:57.120 so, when I started my business, even if I was making 500 bucks a month, okay, you know,

00:18:02.920 and that's, and that's one of the things that you have to do when you start a business, is

00:18:05.700 that you have to have that discipline, where it's like, man, if you're accustomed to making,

00:18:10.220 you know, more money doing a job that you kind of want to get out of, and you like going

00:18:14.260 out for dinners, you like taking out girls on dates, you like doing these things, you like

00:18:17.820 having a little bit of money to, to spend, and then you want to start a business, well, guess

00:18:22.800 what, a lot of, for me, it took probably three, like, it took to make a normal full-time salary

00:18:30.420 took about three years, so I, for those first three years, I, I was living very lean, I wasn't

00:18:38.420 going out for dinners, I was cooking at home, I was staying in, I was not going out very many

00:18:42.480 weekends, see, people think that I got money thrown at me by my parents when I was, you

00:18:48.200 know, a young adult, and the reality is, is I didn't, like, all, I have, there's five

00:18:53.460 kids in my family, we're all pretty, pretty grounded, and, and, and not, I'm the only one

00:18:59.280 in my family of five that's flashy, that can do this stuff, we're all pretty, like, like,

00:19:05.440 if I got cars bought for me, and a credit card connected to my parents' bank account

00:19:11.980 at 20, I wouldn't have been able to work for three years making no money, I wouldn't,

00:19:16.800 like, I, like, it would be too hard, like, I'd be like, why am I going to spend eight

00:19:20.800 hours a day working on this online company to make, you know, maybe 500 bucks this month

00:19:26.180 when I can go and drop 5k this weekend on my, you know, so I actually, so my, my, my father,

00:19:36.160 before he passed away, I think he developed a very clear strategy to incentivize his kids

00:19:41.160 to work very, very fucking hard, and then to help them out later in life with, you know,

00:19:45.760 whatever, but, but the, his, his plan was always for us to be highly incentivized, because

00:19:53.780 for him, he developed, he had got way more fulfillment, and fucking excitement, and happiness

00:20:01.680 out of building his own business, than just having money, and the money was just more of

00:20:06.420 like a, it's like a, it's like a little, you know, it's a sign of my success, like, yes,

00:20:11.140 I can go and have, build this incredible castle, or I can, you know, take my family on, you know,

00:20:17.520 do the, or buy this car, but it's like, once you, you know, it's, it's just kind of, it,

00:20:21.720 the, the, the journey, or the game, was really what lifted him up, and he didn't, he didn't want

00:20:26.100 to take that away from his kids, like he saw with many other rich families, where, oh, these kids,

00:20:31.160 Can you talk a little bit about how he incentivized, you know, you and your siblings to greatness?

00:20:36.360 Well, there was, it was all, it was all kind of, just kind of the way, you know, he, he lived his

00:20:41.540 life, there was nothing, no crazy strategy, but, I mean, he always, he always kind of, you know,

00:20:47.860 impressed, like, two things on me, you know, work hard, set goals, work hard, set goals,

00:20:53.640 this is my money, this is not your money, these are my buildings, these are not your buildings,

00:20:58.380 like, you need to kind of build your own thing, and, and the idea was basically, like, at,

00:21:04.980 at, in our entire 20s, we're, like, this is, like, we're, we're getting, like, we're getting,

00:21:10.080 like, yes, school paid for, help, whatever, but, but, like, you're, if you want to get a car,

00:21:16.240 you, you go buy it, we're not getting, giving you a car, right, and so, it wasn't anything,

00:21:21.420 basically, it's just, like, hey, if, if you're, you know, if, if, if you're a multi-millionaire,

00:21:26.560 and you have kids that are 20, you know, it can be tempting to want to, like, okay, let's,

00:21:31.100 let's, let's give him, like, it just, it just having a very, very strong, strong standards,

00:21:37.640 and kind of rules to follow, it's, like, no, you want a car, you got to buy it, and I feel like a lot

00:21:42.340 of people, like, that's the thing, like, you know, they want to, you know, they want,

00:21:45.560 and also my, my, with my mom in the house, like, she's, she's very unassuming, and so,

00:21:52.120 like, kind of grew up with, like, Mazdas and Acuras, Acura was, like, the, the nice car in the

00:21:58.160 family, if I wanted to get a cool car, I had, I had to kind of, to, I had to kind of make the money,

00:22:04.660 but, but that was pretty much, like, that was kind of my, you know, and that's probably the one,

00:22:09.640 that's probably the one, like, I, I get, I get hate, over the years, I've gotten probably a lot

00:22:15.760 of hate, and I don't care, because usually the more hate I get, the more money I'm making,

00:22:19.080 and you need that hate, like, you, like, if you don't want to go for it, but if you are marking

00:22:25.480 yourself, and you're polarizing, and you're getting tons and tons of attention, and tons of people are

00:22:30.140 connecting with you, some people are gonna, are gonna, like, get pushed the wrong way, and you're

00:22:35.280 gonna get some hate, so I actually have found that, like, you're doing things right, you're sucking

00:22:40.460 people in, and you're fucking pushing people away, you're putting your flags up, and you're saying,

00:22:44.480 this is who I am, this is who I want, this is who I don't want, but the, the only hate that bothers me

00:22:49.340 is that, like, oh, Greg got an inheritance, he couldn't have started his business without his,

00:22:53.920 without, like, you know, this and that, oh, like, yeah, he just had, the reality is, is that I started

00:22:59.820 my business lean, the first year cost me $500, and that first year, I made 10 grand, and I, I saved it,

00:23:06.480 and I, and then the next year, I, I, I made $30,000, and I, and I saved that, and the next year,

00:23:12.240 I made 80,000, and then the fourth, fourth year, I made 200k, and then the fifth year,

00:23:17.700 I made a million dollars before I spent one dollar on advertising, literally, and I barely

00:23:21.920 had employees, I had two people working for me that I, I, I gave them a little bit of a profit

00:23:26.460 split at the time, and so, like, I, I, I did it lean, I wasn't like, I wasn't like, oh, I need to

00:23:31.520 get 100k or 200k to start this business, and I need to do this, and I, I'm gonna run in the hole,

00:23:36.760 I actually built my company on, on, uh, doing organic blog content, YouTube content,

00:23:43.480 building my own mailing list, like, literally had no expenses, and then, and then I only started

00:23:49.180 spending lots of money on ads when I already, when I was already making a million, a million plus a

00:23:54.320 year, and then that's when things kind of started to kind of escalate a lot, but then people are like,

00:23:58.780 oh, you know, he must have had, he must have got millions of dollars, and then invested that in

00:24:02.540 starting his business, and hiring this marketing team, and then doing that, it's like, no, I started,

00:24:06.140 like, I even, the real start was when I was, like, 13, working out and reading all kinds of

00:24:11.780 fitness stuff. Yeah, there's no overnight successes, every overnight success I know of took

00:24:16.700 five, ten years to achieve that success, it's, it's not as easy, and I'm like, you know, to the

00:24:22.800 point of haters, and, you know, those of them that have watched me for a while have heard me say this

00:24:26.500 before, but I'll say it again, hate only ever comes from beneath, nobody ever gets jealous of losers,

00:24:30.580 right, so whenever somebody's spewing hate at you, it's usually envy, uh, envy driven, right,

00:24:35.600 because you're either, you look better than them, you're making more money than them, your girl's

00:24:39.380 hotter than them, you're driving nicer car, it's like, it doesn't matter what it is, it's usually

00:24:43.100 envy driven, right? Oh, yeah, no, 100, 100 percent, and also, I mean, here's what, here's what, here's

00:24:49.360 what I'll say, and I'll say that the more haters, the better, like, if the world is full of haters,

00:24:55.320 that the, it is a lot easier to succeed, because there's no one whose mental model is, is, is dialed in

00:25:04.280 more for failure than a hater, um, Eckhart Tolle has this really powerful quote, and I see it, I see it

00:25:11.740 so much, and it's that, it's that whenever you resent someone else's success, you curtail your own

00:25:19.240 success, if you want to attract and welcome success, um, if you want to attract success, you have to

00:25:24.800 welcome it wherever you see it, you know, when I saw Tai Lopez in, in, uh, 2015 popping off, okay,

00:25:31.600 when I saw Tai Lopez in 2015 popping off, I was at a dinner, and I, you know, and it was this mixed bag

00:25:36.280 of, of more fitness figures that were making money in the industry, um, and, and I think some of them

00:25:43.000 had definitely achieved some good success, but every, all of them kind of crashed and burned,

00:25:49.640 um, at this dinner, like, they pretty much all, maybe a couple still doing okay, but, but they

00:25:54.660 were just going on this freaking, they were just hating on Tai Lopez, all this guy, oh, what a

00:26:01.480 douchebag, he's, you know, he's got this rented Lamborghini, and this garage video, and they're

00:26:06.780 hating on it, hating on it, hating on it, and I was like, and I didn't even know who he was at the

00:26:10.700 time, I'm like, who's this Tai Lopez guy, and I, and I found the video, and I was like, this guy's

00:26:14.500 a fucking genius, holy cow, and I'm like, like, I'm seeing these ads everywhere, okay, this guy's

00:26:20.580 clearly making tons of money from these ads, you can't spend this much amount on YouTube if you're

00:26:24.940 losing money, and it's not, I always get curious when I see shit like that, I'm like, what's this

00:26:28.120 guy doing that I'm not doing, I know, I got curious, and I was like, I got pissed off, I'm like,

00:26:31.740 why am I not running ads, I'm like, this guy's running, I'm like, I can make a cooler ad, and that's

00:26:36.260 when I kind of made that Bruce Wayne video, and then that did very well for us, but,

00:26:40.520 see, that's the problem, see, once you start hating, you stop learning, and so if someone's

00:26:46.380 above you, and you start hating on them, oh, look how they're using a Lamborghini to market

00:26:50.420 themselves, or in their garage, or, you know, it's like, then you've thrown away that learning

00:26:55.560 opportunity, and again, I will say this, the more haters in the world, the easier it is for me to

00:27:01.980 succeed, because you're literally attaching, you know, an iron to yourself, you're attaching a chain

00:27:09.420 and ball to yourself, and again, if I was going through life, just hating on people, it just

00:27:14.440 throws you down, so I don't care, like, I don't care if, even if someone is, even if someone has

00:27:19.780 put themselves out there in sort of a bad way, but they're, they're usually, there's something to

00:27:24.340 learn from, you know, so you don't have to love everything they're doing, there's, there's something

00:27:28.700 to learn from, you know, even, even look at, look at, look at the past president, you know, I mean,

00:27:34.420 he did an amazing job at, but even, even, like, a lot of, a lot of talking about him today, they

00:27:39.680 still hate him on, on him today, but, like, you can't even, people, like, they, that's an extreme

00:27:43.840 example, if you can't, they're, like, free marketing, I always look at haters, like, that's

00:27:47.240 my free marketing team, they won't shut up about me, thank you, no, 100, 100%, and I've always

00:27:53.140 kind of had this little belief that, like, basically, no one is inherently all good, no one inherently is

00:27:57.480 all bad, and, you know, stupid people just kind of, they kind of live in extremes, where, oh, he's

00:28:02.780 terrible, and everything he does is bad, he doesn't have one good quality, whereas the

00:28:06.900 truth is always sort of in the middle, like, there's people with double-edged swords, no

00:28:10.080 matter how amazing or terrible someone is, they have, you know, different qualities, and

00:28:14.100 if you, you can't see that, then you're, you're going through life blind, if you can't see

00:28:18.340 that, you know, that this person who's a very heated or controversial figure has both

00:28:25.000 sides, and he's doing good things too, or he's doing, or this amazing, you know, if you

00:28:29.020 can't see that, you're going through life blind, and, like, no one should

00:28:32.740 listen to you, because you, you have no objectivity.

00:28:35.600 Are you a car guy?

00:28:37.180 I mean, I see you with a Lamborghini Urus, and, you know, I see you in Lambos and R8s

00:28:40.860 from time to time, like, are these your cars, you rent them for, for shoots, or what's the

00:28:44.100 deal there?

00:28:44.520 Some of them I own, some of them I rent, I am definitely, I'm probably not on the same

00:28:48.780 level of car guy as you, but, you know, I mean, growing up, yeah, like, I, I was obsessed

00:28:56.280 with cars and getting cars, and, and, and, you know, I, I, I've driven Lambos and McLaren

00:29:05.200 and, and pretty much almost everything, but, but I haven't, I haven't done enough, like,

00:29:12.860 the, I haven't done enough driving or racing or, or any of that, any of that stuff, um,

00:29:17.540 but, but, uh, but I'm, I'm, I'm into the, you know, it's, like, I, my favorite thing,

00:29:23.080 and this is what I'm going to do this summer, is, like, I, I am happiest, and I have the

00:29:26.700 most fun with a frickin' top-down convertible.

00:29:30.280 Like, I, I am purely, I got, I remember I got the, I got a Jaguar F-type, um, convertible.

00:29:38.400 Yeah, that's a nice car, I saw that on your feed at one point.

00:29:40.840 Yeah, I got it in, like, what, when I was 24, 25, I had a Tesla before that, but I, but

00:29:45.980 didn't do anything for me, um, and I got the, the, the Jag F-type, and I, I just, I just

00:29:51.980 had so much fun in the summer, top-down, music blasting, like, driving.

00:29:56.880 I mean, the thing that, the thing that is in Canada, man, is, like, I can't, I, I gotta,

00:30:00.840 I gotta, like, tame myself, I, I'm, like, one ticket away from, like, you know, losing

00:30:04.420 my license for football.

00:30:05.640 Yeah.

00:30:06.420 So, I, I.

00:30:06.820 You ever been in a rally?

00:30:08.100 Uh, was, no, no.

00:30:09.980 So, so, I mean, the good thing about a rally, because I've done a few now, it's been a few

00:30:12.780 years that I joined, um, like, Toronto's largest supercar club is called Saturn's Drives,

00:30:17.220 right, and he does rallies, you know, throughout the summer, and sometimes in the fall, and I've

00:30:19.960 done a few of them now, and they're a lot safer than driving by yourself, because you're

00:30:23.840 in a group of, I mean, usually it's about 80, 85 cars that are

00:30:26.880 registered for the rally, and the cool thing about the rally is you're rolling with guys

00:30:31.020 that are driving the same caliber of car that you are, so it's a really good networking

00:30:34.620 opportunity, because it's a multi-day thing, you have dinners, drinks, you're shooting the

00:30:37.740 shit, you're causing havoc on the roads, obviously, and having some laughs, but, um, you know,

00:30:42.980 usually break off into groups of, like, a dozen, maybe two dozen cars, and you kind

00:30:46.460 of, like, you know, you follow the route, because you have a route on, uh, Waze or on Google

00:30:50.180 Maps, and because you're in such a large group, I've, like, almost nobody ever gets

00:30:54.320 ticketed, if you ever get pulled over, it's like, you know, the cops are pulling over

00:30:58.000 a bunch of cars, and they don't have time to ticket everybody, or they don't know, or

00:31:01.320 they can't, they can't get to who was the person that was infracting, plus if you run

00:31:06.240 anti-measures, like, uh, police scanners, and Waze, and radar detects, like, all kinds

00:31:10.700 of stuff, so, I mean, if you want, I'll send you some information about that in, uh, DMs,

00:31:14.620 but, uh, yeah, those are a lot of fun if you like cars.

00:31:17.140 Yeah, you know what, that could be awesome, that could be awesome to, uh, to...

00:31:20.220 We did one in, uh, Tremblant this, uh, fall, where we went up to auto, and then went over

00:31:24.000 to Tremblant back, and there's some nice hills and twisties and stuff, there's a blast.

00:31:27.760 What time of year was that?

00:31:29.700 Fall, um, I think, no, wait, that one was in August, um, they had to cancel the fall one

00:31:35.880 because of COVID restrictions, and I think, uh, Quebec was closing down again for some

00:31:39.400 reason, um, but, yeah, like, the last couple years have been weird, the, like, the wide open

00:31:43.860 one that we did down in the States was the best one, that was just before COVID hit, and

00:31:47.480 that was a five-day one with, like, almost 100 cars, it was, it was awesome.

00:31:51.620 You know, I'm definitely going to have to, I'm definitely going to have to de-join with

00:31:54.280 those.

00:31:54.440 I think I'm going to try and get into, uh, this, this, we're going to get into, uh, you

00:31:58.340 know, a 911 Caprile.

00:32:00.780 Yeah, 991 or 992?

00:32:03.380 Uh, I mean, let me see, I mean, I, I actually almost bought a Turbo S, uh, a 2018 Caprile

00:32:11.100 Turbo S, and I, I, I should have got it, because I probably would have, probably would

00:32:14.960 have gone up, like, 30, 40k.

00:32:16.640 Oh, yeah.

00:32:17.540 A buddy of mine's got an 18 with a tune, and, Greg, I'll tell you this, like, I was beside

00:32:21.660 him one time, and we were going to race, and I've got a 720S, right, and I'm like, you

00:32:25.440 know, and I'm not even going to race him, because he's got all-wheel drive, but I just look over

00:32:28.000 him as he pins it, and it's like, it's like, brake gas on these cars, launch control is so

00:32:32.260 simple, it's brake gas, and I'll hear, and he just pins it, and the front wheel, I'm not

00:32:36.720 even lying, like, it comes up off the ground, like the car wheelies, they just took off.

00:32:40.800 Yeah, that was insane.

00:32:42.380 They are insane.

00:32:43.020 Yeah, they are insane off the line.

00:32:45.760 Yeah, you know, it's been kind of fun to kind of, like, even when I was, you know, when I

00:32:49.420 was actually 19, I started my business in LA, and I connected with a family friend, and

00:32:54.180 he had a, he had the 911 Turbo, and I remember, like, and my, my father, you know, his last

00:33:01.900 car was, you know, a Turbo, and I remember in, like, the 2002, 911 Turbo was 0.60 in, like,

00:33:08.120 four seconds, I think, maybe even been 4.2, it wasn't even the high.

00:33:13.020 The high threes.

00:33:14.360 Oh, they'll do it in two and a half seconds now.

00:33:16.120 Yeah, it's, now it's, like, now it's, like, two and a half seconds.

00:33:18.320 It's just, it's mine.

00:33:19.860 It's painful.

00:33:20.420 Like, you actually have, like, kidney pain now when you're accelerating in some of these

00:33:23.160 cars.

00:33:23.760 Do you really?

00:33:24.620 Oh, yeah.

00:33:25.380 Same.

00:33:26.200 Yeah, the Urus, right now, obviously, it's the SUV, so it probably feels a bit different,

00:33:29.500 but, like, you just, like, an ab workout.

00:33:31.460 You hit it, and the abs are going crazy.

00:33:34.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:35.720 But, but, but, you know, like, for me, it's, like, there's, there, nothing hits different

00:33:41.660 or feels better than being in a sports car, dropping the roof, having, like, the sun and

00:33:47.260 the wind hitting you, the music blasting.

00:33:49.060 It's just, to me, it's, it's, you're getting, like, a 10x experience versus being closed off.

00:33:53.920 That's, and that's at least, that's at least for me, I, I, I think everyone should, everyone

00:33:58.060 that's making money, that likes cars, should go and, go and rent a convertible for a weekend

00:34:03.840 just to see if, if, if, if, if it, if it does that for you, because for me, it's just,

00:34:08.440 like, I love the fresh air of being outside and just having the top down, driving up, you

00:34:13.260 know, to the cottage.

00:34:14.560 It just, it's, like, it is such a, it's, it's such an amazing experience.

00:34:20.160 It's, I would, I would argue that it's the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

00:34:23.920 But, um, how, how useful are, like, you know, the hot cars and the hot women in your work

00:34:31.280 online to drive traffic to your business?

00:34:34.100 Um, yeah, that's a good question.

00:34:36.140 I think it's, it, it helps for sure.

00:34:41.120 It definitely helps.

00:34:41.880 I think that even that Bruce Wayne video I did at the time, um, we used a Lambo in it

00:34:48.120 and, uh, and I had a, I had a girl in that video.

00:34:52.840 Um, it's, it's anything that can do two things, um, is going to like be a magnifier.

00:35:00.540 One, anything that can capture attention, Lambo's, uh, exotic cars capture attention.

00:35:07.200 Um, and also they kind of create curiosity.

00:35:11.000 If so, if someone doesn't know who I am and then they, they, they see this video of me

00:35:14.620 doing my workout.

00:35:15.800 Okay, cool.

00:35:16.960 Whatever.

00:35:17.420 Maybe he's like big deal.

00:35:19.280 But if someone sees, sees me, it's like, wait, this guy's driving to the gym in a Lambo

00:35:23.940 and doing this workout.

00:35:25.640 It's like, who is he?

00:35:26.920 What's the story there?

00:35:27.740 So it's, so anytime you can kind of create curiosity, it kind of, it's, it's, it's very

00:35:32.500 brand elevating.

00:35:33.820 It gets people thinking, remembering, talking.

00:35:36.400 Um, and, and, and it, you know, and the reality is, is that like, I, I kind of like, like my

00:35:44.500 belief with fitness has always been like, look, the end goal isn't just to like, let's just

00:35:48.980 look incredible and be jacked.

00:35:51.480 And that's it.

00:35:52.380 It's like, people want the lifestyle and that's kind of how I've been marketing myself.

00:35:55.460 It's like, look, I, I, I, I don't just care about fitness.

00:35:58.800 Fitness is a pillar of my life.

00:36:01.460 It kind of, it's, it's the background of my life.

00:36:03.780 It kind of holds my routine together.

00:36:05.760 But like, I, I always, you know, it people, a lot of fit, like when I got into fitness,

00:36:11.460 Rich, like a lot of, a lot of fitness figures were just kind of just getting way too sucked

00:36:17.560 into fitness and, and, and being in the gym, like literally all the time, like sacrificing

00:36:23.460 themselves to get, to get to, to, to get on stage and do shows and pose with other men.

00:36:28.720 And the whole idea and like honor was just in, in like sacrificing your life, sacrificing

00:36:33.900 your, your social life and putting all your time, energy and attention into your body.

00:36:38.880 And to me, I was always like, what is the point of that?

00:36:42.200 Like, what is the point of that?

00:36:43.720 Like I, now I'm like, I've great.

00:36:45.920 I've, I've built this amazing body, but I have no life.

00:36:48.500 Isn't the point to like build this amazing body to have a better life.

00:36:52.620 And now it's like more like, so my belief has always been fitness should be a force multiplier

00:36:56.720 in your life where now you like, you can, you look like a Greek God, you have that energy,

00:37:01.940 you have that tenacity, and now you're dating life and your work life is going to be, is

00:37:06.180 going to be multiplied.

00:37:07.760 Um, so that's, that's always been my mindset.

00:37:11.220 So then when I go and I have models in, in, in videos or women in videos and, and sick

00:37:17.060 cars, it's me kind of honoring that where it's like, Hey, I want to have an insane body.

00:37:21.240 I want to have an insanely hot girl or like my 10.

00:37:25.100 And I want to, you know, I want to drive, you know, a sports car and pretty much just

00:37:30.020 like win at life.

00:37:30.920 And so I kind of, I kind of grab it.

00:37:33.480 I kind of do that.

00:37:34.200 And a lot of my followers, like they, they like it.

00:37:36.720 Like they, they, some people like kind of hate on all this guy's using Lambo.

00:37:40.140 They love it.

00:37:40.680 Like when I'm, when I'm doing, when I'm, when I'm like getting a new wash or, or, uh,

00:37:45.840 kind of, you know, showing signs of success, it motivates them.

00:37:51.360 Um, and, and so I, but, but, um, it's also, but it's also one of those things where if

00:37:56.080 everyone is, is driving Lambos, it's obviously not going to, going to work.

00:37:59.400 I think like how, um, how useful is the, the cars, the physique, the attitude in your life

00:38:07.900 when it comes to women?

00:38:08.560 I mean, like, was that a game changer for you?

00:38:11.360 Cause I mean, you were, you were pretty much always in good shape from 19, from what I

00:38:15.100 understand, you know, the way that you described it.

00:38:17.080 So adding, adding success and influence.

00:38:20.260 Cause I mean, now you have influence.

00:38:21.260 Now you've got social proof right now.

00:38:23.300 Now people look at you and they're like, oh, this guy's got a blue check mark and a million

00:38:26.280 followers on social media and a big YouTube channel.

00:38:29.280 And I'm sure, I'm sure when you're out on a date from time to time, dudes will approach

00:38:33.480 and be like, oh dude, you know, your program saved my life.

00:38:35.560 And you're there with a girl and it's like, you know, automatically she's looking at you

00:38:38.280 like this guy has higher social standing now.

00:38:40.680 Right.

00:38:40.860 Like, has that changed things for you a lot, a little, like how did that work?

00:38:44.020 Um, yeah.

00:38:45.440 So, I mean, yeah, I've had, I've had those moments and it, it, it definitely, definitely,

00:38:49.660 definitely can, can help, uh, um, a hundred percent.

00:38:53.920 I mean, if you even like, if you even had like a girl, like a few girls approach me and

00:38:58.960 while they were chatting me up, I had a guy like recognize me, take a photo with me.

00:39:03.120 And then they were like, they were pretty much like, they were like down for whatever.

00:39:07.360 Um, but I'd say, I'd say, uh, I think to me, like the, the cars hasn't been something

00:39:13.100 where like directly it's something where like, oh my God, like, um, I have this label now

00:39:16.780 and then, and then, uh, like I, I, I kind of like, like if a girl's too, if a girl's too

00:39:23.400 like hidden agenda or like, or clear like objectives, oh, I, you know, I liked him for

00:39:28.340 this.

00:39:28.620 I kind of get turned off.

00:39:30.640 Um, but, but, uh, but, you know, I'd say, I'd say definitely like the, the, the having

00:39:38.880 a following, um, that is powerful, probably more powerful than just having a, having a

00:39:45.920 cool car and, and being in really, really good shape, man, like being in really, really

00:39:50.680 good shape.

00:39:51.700 It's, it's like, if you are into, if you're, if you're into like getting girls or you're,

00:39:56.900 you're into, you know, meeting women, um, and you don't have your body dialed in, it,

00:40:02.960 it's, it is, it, it's, it's, that's the number one thing to do just because like, it's, it's

00:40:10.180 the number one thing to do because it's like, it, I mean, you're in great shape.

00:40:14.680 You kind of understand it.

00:40:15.540 It's like, if you're kind of out of shape and you don't have your fitness handled and

00:40:18.900 then when you finally get to that, when you get, when you get to that place, when, when

00:40:22.160 things are about to happen and get physical, it's kind of like, it's way easier to

00:40:26.900 like, they're just like, if you're in awesome shape, it's, it's like, they, they're already

00:40:30.700 thinking about that.

00:40:31.480 They're already in and things just happen way more effortlessly.

00:40:34.940 That's one of the things that does my head in.

00:40:36.460 Cause I mean, I do a lot of coaching for guys and I mostly focus on high net worth individuals

00:40:40.960 now, but I used to deal with a lot of younger guys too.

00:40:43.260 And it's, and it's like, you know, they want to get the girls, they want to get the

00:40:46.100 girlfriend, they want to get the intimacy and all that sort of thing.

00:40:48.300 And it's like, you know, you look at them and you're like, okay, well, first thing

00:40:51.240 you got to fix is your look, man.

00:40:52.380 Like, you know, if, if, if somebody's sick, the first thing that you got to ask them to

00:40:57.680 do is you got to give up the things that created the sickness, you know, to begin with.

00:41:02.120 And in your twenties and even thirties to some degree, it's a lot easier to be in good shape.

00:41:08.260 Like I'm, I'm closer to 50 now.

00:41:10.440 Right.

00:41:10.880 And in my twenties, like I could, I could smoke a joint, eat a bag of Doritos, go to the gym.

00:41:16.080 And like, I was good.

00:41:17.220 Like I was jacked.

00:41:18.100 Like it didn't matter.

00:41:18.860 As long as I worked out a little bit, slept enough and putting calories, the quality of

00:41:22.280 the calories didn't even matter.

00:41:23.580 Now it's like today, it's a lot harder to look good.

00:41:27.100 Um, even like, even at my age, like I'm at on a therapeutic testosterone.

00:41:31.120 So I want to talk about TRT and steroids with you.

00:41:34.020 Um, also on the show, cause I know that you're natty, but, um, it's, it's not as easy as you

00:41:37.980 think, but when you're younger, it's way easier guys.

00:41:40.120 So get your body sorted at a young age, instead of trying to like reverse 20 or 30 years of,

00:41:46.040 of bad choices in your forties, when you can do it now in your twenties, it's not hard

00:41:50.520 to look good.

00:41:51.060 Like it's, it really isn't like I did it as a teen, just doing a bunch of pushups and

00:41:55.800 chin-ups and stupid things with my hands.

00:41:58.380 Like Charles Atlas would say, right.

00:41:59.780 And it actually worked.

00:42:00.760 Right.

00:42:01.400 And you know, I'd say pushups and chin-ups are still underrated.

00:42:04.500 Like they are really, really, really effective.

00:42:06.680 Okay.

00:42:07.040 So question for you, if you had to pick one exercise that you could only do, what would

00:42:12.300 you pick?

00:42:12.980 You know, to look good.

00:42:13.580 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:42:16.100 Um, one, you know, it's hard to limit yourself to one exercise, but I would say, I mean, if

00:42:21.900 I could just do one exercise, I'd say probably pushups would be your best bet because, uh,

00:42:27.300 you know, you're, you're getting some strong core stabilization in there and, uh, and you

00:42:33.840 can pretty much do them anywhere.

00:42:35.640 And it, you know, if you do it, so I would pretty much do, I'd probably do feet up on

00:42:40.240 a bench, uh, pushups, but kind of going side to side.

00:42:43.380 So it's harder.

00:42:44.200 Cause then when you go to one side, you're not using as much of, of, of the other arm.

00:42:47.840 Yeah.

00:42:48.160 Or if you grab like a basketball or volleyball for one hand and the other hands on the

00:42:51.540 ground.

00:42:51.740 So it's somewhat like unstable.

00:42:53.540 It's another good way to do it too.

00:42:54.820 A hundred percent.

00:42:55.300 I've noticed actually my chest looks like literally more developed when I'm actually doing a little

00:42:59.140 bit of those pushups in my routine.

00:43:00.640 It just hits the chest really well.

00:43:03.100 Um, I mean my, like, you know, like I'm, I'm very big into doing incline presses, weighted

00:43:09.460 chin ups, Bulgarian split squats.

00:43:11.720 I really liked Bulgarian split squat.

00:43:13.100 Like, so there was like three that I would be like always kind of like key in the routine.

00:43:17.100 But if I just had to do one, I'd probably just like, just kind of be doing pushup variations

00:43:21.760 or just, you know, feet elevated pushups.

00:43:24.740 Um, really, really, really good.

00:43:27.140 I mean, some people say, oh, if I was going to do one exercise, I'd just do deadlift.

00:43:30.460 But it, it just, it's not going to do much for your aesthetics.

00:43:33.640 You don't need money to do pushups too.

00:43:35.200 I mean, I used to do, um, like with the Charles Atlas program, he's talked about doing, um,

00:43:40.840 sets of 20.

00:43:41.680 And I think at some point I read something along the lines of try to get up to a, like, to

00:43:45.560 like a cumulative top of a hundred, 200.

00:43:48.060 And I would do sets of like 25s and I would do 25 on the ground, 25 with my feet up on my

00:43:53.460 bed and the 25 with my feet up on the dresser.

00:43:55.620 So you'd hit like incline, you know, level and then decline as well with all the different

00:44:00.060 levels.

00:44:00.620 And if you do 25 pushups, um, cause you've got four, eight, so it's basically eight,

00:44:05.620 eight sets.

00:44:06.700 Your chest is going to be like pumped.

00:44:08.500 Like it's, it's, it's Jack.

00:44:09.700 Like it gets hard.

00:44:10.500 Like you feel like it's, it's really pumped.

00:44:12.660 Like it's awesome.

00:44:13.300 It works really well.

00:44:14.440 You know what?

00:44:15.120 And on that note, I, I noticed that there's an advantage of doing body weight movements,

00:44:19.500 um, compared to lifting a barbell or dumbbells.

00:44:23.120 When you're doing a pushup, right?

00:44:24.880 Your hands, your hands are fixed to the ground and your body is moving towards and away from

00:44:30.440 your hands and your hands are fixed.

00:44:31.760 And that pathway, it's actually easier to activate muscle, um, with a closed chain movement versus

00:44:39.480 your hands moving freely.

00:44:40.560 It's actually harder to get, if you want to, you know, like the reality is, is that human

00:44:45.060 beings, we cannot actually, um, activate a hundred percent of our, of our muscle.

00:44:49.940 You know, the, the more you train, the stronger your nervous system gets, the higher percentage,

00:44:54.160 uh, of motor units you can fire.

00:44:57.000 Um, but it, it's for most people, it's not even close to a hundred percent, but by doing

00:45:01.700 a closed chain movement, a pushup, you can actually activate more of your chest than if

00:45:06.780 you were to do, you know, dumbbells and you see this with, but this is exaggerated by beginners.

00:45:11.220 If you give a beginner dumbbells, they're like trying to stabilize it.

00:45:14.300 They have no idea what they're doing, but it's easier to apply maximum force towards,

00:45:19.800 you know, towards the ground when it's fixed than a free moving object.

00:45:24.020 And so I, I, I definitely find that you can, you can really, you know, really build muscle.

00:45:29.320 If you, even if you throw like a weighted back and then you do pushups and you get blocks

00:45:33.160 and you go nice and deep.

00:45:34.400 So, I mean, you know, sometimes we're like, oh, I can't get to the gym.

00:45:37.120 You know, uh, you know, today's a write off.

00:45:39.240 It's like the better thing to do is maybe today you can't go to the gym and the craziest

00:45:44.660 schedule ever do four sets of 20, 25 pushups.

00:45:48.280 That way you're still building positive momentum and you're still, you know, you're still,

00:45:51.880 uh, still pushing your body in the right direction.

00:45:54.720 Yeah.

00:45:55.820 I'm going to grab a couple of these super chats here before we continue, but just, uh,

00:45:59.160 acknowledge them.

00:45:59.980 So, uh, uh, lawn care for you.com.

00:46:04.880 That's actually a pretty smart way to market your business.

00:46:06.940 Uh, thanks for that.

00:46:07.740 He goes, although you're in Canada, I want to say happy Thanksgiving from the U S to you,

00:46:10.920 Rich and everyone being grateful.

00:46:11.980 Thanks.

00:46:12.600 Thanks to you.

00:46:12.980 I appreciate it.

00:46:13.500 Uh, extra guac says, thank you to Keno body.

00:46:16.300 I've done the Greek God program and I'm in better shape in my thirties and in my twenties,

00:46:20.020 Keno octane and college and rocks.

00:46:21.660 If you want to see a testimonials of Greg's programs, go to his Instagram and, um, he's

00:46:28.140 always dropping them on there.

00:46:29.200 There's like the shit works.

00:46:30.680 I've seen it.

00:46:31.640 Um, I've probably sold a ton of, ton of programs for you.

00:46:34.080 Cause like every guy that I talk to, first thing that I do is I'm like get in shape.

00:46:37.980 Well, I don't know how to do it.

00:46:38.840 We'll buy Keno bodies programs, right?

00:46:40.580 I'm like, just go to Greg's site.

00:46:42.100 And you know what?

00:46:42.940 The funny thing is the biggest piece of, uh, resistance I get from a lot of guys, Greg,

00:46:47.400 is they're like, Oh, well, I'm not tall enough to get, to get girls.

00:46:49.920 Right.

00:46:50.100 I'm like, well, how tall are you?

00:46:50.940 It's like, I'm five, seven, five, eight.

00:46:52.440 I'm like, you know, Greg's five, eight, like 180 pounds, you know, something like that's

00:46:56.240 your height weight roughly.

00:46:57.080 Right.

00:46:57.500 Uh, five, 10, five, okay.

00:46:59.040 Five, 10 and 180, 180, 180, 180.

00:47:02.440 Yeah.

00:47:02.660 So like, like you can throw on the muscle pretty easily.

00:47:06.280 Like it, you just have to do the work.

00:47:08.640 Uh, same whiskey says, uh, most people fear success more than they fear failure.

00:47:12.480 You don't, I, I, some, some of the best guys I know that get the hottest girls are not

00:47:19.820 that tall.

00:47:20.720 Yep.

00:47:21.380 Like, like five, some, some of the guys, five, seven, five, eight.

00:47:25.260 I used to have this roommate in my late twenties that, um, was five, five.

00:47:28.540 We used to call him pocket Hercules just cause he was jacked.

00:47:30.520 He was like five, four.

00:47:31.940 And, uh, he's like, he used to slay.

00:47:34.140 He, like he was a full on slayer.

00:47:36.100 He definitely got more than I did.

00:47:37.920 Uh, Eric says as a man, uh, we're supposed to live, uh, wealthy and fit.

00:47:42.280 I agree with you guys.

00:47:43.040 Do the work.

00:47:43.500 Thank you, Rich, for bringing on the content.

00:47:45.340 Well, you know what?

00:47:45.960 If, if, you know, if a guy is a shorter, he's five, seven, five, eight, there's going to be a

00:47:49.660 portion of girls that are just going to like, kind of be like, Oh, you know, I want a taller

00:47:53.680 guy, but don't get caught up on those.

00:47:56.580 Cause there's going to be like beautiful women that do not care.

00:47:59.320 I mean, look at Robert Downey jr.

00:48:01.420 He's probably five, seven Tom Cruise.

00:48:03.340 Like he's got, I'm obviously the movie stars and stuff, but trust me, if they weren't, they'd

00:48:07.140 still be dating models.

00:48:09.300 Yeah.

00:48:09.820 And what most guys don't seem to understand or want to accept is all that needs to happen

00:48:14.560 is she needs to be able to look up to you in heels.

00:48:16.780 So if you're five, six and you're with a chick, that's like five foot tall and two or three

00:48:21.240 inch heels, she's still going to be looking up to you.

00:48:24.100 You know what though?

00:48:24.900 I, I, I date, like I date girls are like five, nine, five, 10 and they wear heels, you know,

00:48:30.380 they're tall, but I don't even care.

00:48:32.240 Well, you're Greg O'Gallagher.

00:48:33.340 You know, um, yeah, let's talk about girls a little bit.

00:48:39.260 Holy smokes.

00:48:39.820 We've been chopping it up for about 50 minutes.

00:48:41.920 All right.

00:48:42.320 Um, yeah.

00:48:42.940 Okay.

00:48:43.200 So let's talk about the ladies.

00:48:44.740 Um, where do we start?

00:48:47.260 Um, what's your life like with dating right now?

00:48:50.640 Um, so, so right now, um, I've been, you know, I, I've, I've been single for a while.

00:48:58.520 Um, and I, I've, I've been pretty like, you know, for me, I've been pretty casual.

00:49:04.660 So I will, I will, uh, you know, it takes a lot to capture my attention.

00:49:10.080 Now, right now I'm actually seeing someone, um, but it, but it takes a lot to capture my

00:49:14.200 attention.

00:49:14.520 So typically most of the year, most of the time I will go on dates with, with different

00:49:21.020 women, maybe have a, you know, a few girls going on.

00:49:25.860 And, uh, and then, you know, if, if I'm not like crazy about a girl, then it's probably

00:49:32.500 going to, I'm probably just, it's probably just going to, we're going to hang out for maybe

00:49:35.400 a few weeks, a month, and then it's just kind of going to fizzle out.

00:49:38.720 I'm not, I'm not the kind of person that kind of keeps a rotation going on for a long time

00:49:43.480 just because I, I kind of, I'll get, I'll get bored.

00:49:46.560 Um, and I actually like, like even, even like a few months ago, I just, I was like, I was

00:49:51.460 felt so happy.

00:49:52.340 I'm like, you know what?

00:49:52.880 Like I, I cleared out the rotation starting from scratch.

00:49:56.620 And so, you know, I, I, I meet girls from, from, uh, I'll meet girls from Instagram and,

00:50:01.880 and, uh, going out and, and, uh, Is that where you source mostly from, from Instagram?

00:50:06.920 Is it dating apps?

00:50:07.620 Is it girls that you hire for modeling stuff?

00:50:09.540 Um, I dude, I, when I was like, when I was like really building my business at 21, 22,

00:50:14.920 like I, I was Tinder, like Tinder was like, just was insane, especially, I don't know,

00:50:21.220 like what depends on like the, I mean, back then it really depend on the city.

00:50:24.580 Cause that was when the Tinder was kind of beginning, but like in Toronto, Tinder was like,

00:50:28.800 like nuts, like nuts, uh, Toronto and LA.

00:50:33.280 Now I don't really do as much of the online stuff.

00:50:35.620 I definitely find like Instagram is better for finding like more, like the type of, it's

00:50:41.600 more, it's more targeted for towards my type.

00:50:44.460 Um, but yeah, pretty much Instagram going out and, uh, and, and that's pretty much it.

00:50:53.000 I don't really, I think I've used hinge before.

00:50:55.060 Um, but nothing, nothing that like used to hinge a little bit.

00:50:59.760 I know you said that you watched a few of my videos, uh, last couple of days.

00:51:05.000 Did you get across any of the content that sort of explain, you know, arousal and desire

00:51:08.760 with women, you know, like the red pill sort of stuff?

00:51:11.460 Um, I've seen some interviews.

00:51:12.780 I don't think I got into, into, into that a hundred percent.

00:51:16.040 Cause I mean, like what I'm actually known for is not, is not like doing these podcasts.

00:51:19.900 I mean, the podcast is what I enjoy.

00:51:21.240 I like the whole reason why I started the channel guys is cause I liked hanging out with

00:51:24.500 entrepreneurs, you know, with fast cars and kind of mashing those ideas up and talking

00:51:27.780 about cars and business sort of stuff.

00:51:29.060 But I kind of fell into the like women part of it.

00:51:32.560 And, and people know me, you know, cause I'm red pill that wrote a book called the unplanned

00:51:35.780 alpha and it's sort of, you know how you like fix guys' bodies kind of fix their heads.

00:51:40.560 Right.

00:51:40.940 So guys that have a good body that have a messed up head that are watching Greg right now

00:51:44.640 and you're not doing well with women, just watch my shit and you know, it'll come to you

00:51:48.120 or just read my book, but I'm just wondering how, how far through that you got.

00:51:51.640 Like, is there anything with women that have, that, that has, you know, surprised you or

00:51:56.220 shocked you or violated like any kind of beliefs that you had?

00:51:59.340 Cause I mean, like as kids were, you know, we're sold like a Disney esque sort of story,

00:52:03.520 their sugar and spice and all things nice.

00:52:05.240 And the prince and the princess, like, have you seen, I mean, you must've seen some stuff

00:52:08.360 that's been like, wow, I didn't know women were capable of that.

00:52:11.740 Uh, yeah, yeah.

00:52:13.160 You know, absolutely.

00:52:14.280 And I, and I probably was very similar to you where growing up, I had this, yeah, Disney ideal.

00:52:18.100 And, and women are fricking perfect and, and amazing.

00:52:21.800 And then you kind of, yeah, then you, then you, you know, then you kind of, you, you get

00:52:26.340 your reality checked in and, uh, what was your, what was your frying pan to the forehead moment?

00:52:30.760 Like your reality check sort of thing?

00:52:33.240 Uh, you know, I, I, I don't, I don't know.

00:52:37.420 Like if there was like necessarily one moment, I'm sure there was like, I'm sure I don't know.

00:52:43.900 I'm probably like dating the, dating the first girlfriend, whatever.

00:52:47.120 And, uh, and then, you know, kind of then like, you know, uh, first girlfriend and she

00:52:53.040 kind of just, uh, you know, she's talking to some other guy and the things get a little

00:52:57.620 messy.

00:52:58.000 Um, but, but you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's very, you know, it's, you

00:53:06.680 kind of, you, you pretty much realize that like, if you're a high value man, you know what

00:53:11.040 you're doing, like women can get swept up and sleep with you like very, very easily,

00:53:17.980 but then make, you know, Joe wait till like month number, like after a month or two.

00:53:23.040 Um, that's like a kind of like a, that's kind of a realization that like a lot of guys when

00:53:28.000 they're more inexperienced, they like, they get like obsessed over a girl and they're like,

00:53:31.300 Oh, like, you know, and then, and then they get caught up, but they don't, they, they,

00:53:35.120 they think she acts like that with everyone.

00:53:37.400 They don't know how she'll act around like high value man that kind of knows what she,

00:53:42.600 what they're doing.

00:53:44.360 Yeah.

00:53:45.580 Um, did you ever have like a moment that sort of like red pill you?

00:53:48.960 Um, yeah, no, I did.

00:53:52.260 I did.

00:53:52.640 I, I, I, I basically like, I basically, I think like I've, I've naturally been like, I've naturally

00:54:00.080 like deep down been like such a nice guy and like, and a good guy.

00:54:03.160 Like when I was young, when I was like, when I was young, even when I first got Tinder, I

00:54:06.620 felt guilty talking to two girls at the same time.

00:54:09.360 Literally, literally.

00:54:10.520 That's how much you figure out their phone is basically a box of dicks and they're talking

00:54:14.180 to like three dozen guys.

00:54:15.640 No, I, I literally, I literally felt guilty.

00:54:17.860 I was like, I was like, I had this little connection with this girl and like, we're

00:54:20.440 going to have, hang out.

00:54:21.440 And then some other girls messaged me.

00:54:22.840 I'm like, I'm like, I feel bad.

00:54:24.260 Like, you know, I shouldn't tell her I'm talking to another girl.

00:54:27.120 I know.

00:54:27.460 But then all these girls are talking to like so many guys.

00:54:30.800 And I just remember whenever I just, whenever I just kind of cut myself off from all other

00:54:34.640 women and was like, okay, like this is the girl I'm talking to you.

00:54:37.320 Like this is who I'm into.

00:54:38.940 Um, things always kind of went, went downhill from there.

00:54:41.820 Yeah.

00:54:42.300 Like I just noticed, I just looked at the pattern.

00:54:43.920 I'm like, Hey, like if I, if I kind of get obsessed with this girl and then I stopped kind

00:54:47.640 of, I just put all my eggs in her back in this basket before we've started even, you

00:54:52.160 know, like in the beginning process, it always doesn't work out.

00:54:55.020 I always found that like, you know, not anymore, but when I was younger, I was like, I was like,

00:54:59.740 I was like, if I really, really like, let's say there's like two, like very, very beautiful.

00:55:04.460 Like I'm, I'm, there's some guys that just like, you know, cute chick is whatever.

00:55:09.780 And they just want to get loads of numbers.

00:55:11.300 I don't care about that for me.

00:55:12.600 It's like complete quality.

00:55:14.660 Um, and so like, like some girls, like literally I'm just like, they light me up.

00:55:19.340 I'm like, damn.

00:55:19.840 So like, I remember like, I had like two insanely, insanely beautiful, beautiful, uh, girls I

00:55:26.100 was, I was chatting with and, and, um, and like one of them, I kind of wanted more at the

00:55:30.800 time.

00:55:31.060 I was like, I want her more and then didn't work out.

00:55:34.120 But then, then the one that was like insanely hot still, like that one worked out.

00:55:38.300 So it's like, you kind of, you kind of helps to have like a few going on and a lot of,

00:55:43.400 a lot of times the one you want the most is the one you'll, you'll mess up, especially

00:55:47.240 when you're learning and then you'll, but you'll get the second best.

00:55:49.800 So, you know, get, keep them all, all.

00:55:52.700 But, but the moment I had that kind of probably, uh, the kind of like, uh, like woke me up was

00:55:58.260 basically when I was like, I've, I formed this connection with this, uh, girl here in Toronto.

00:56:03.220 We went on a couple of dates, um, hooked up a little bit and, uh, I was in LA, um, for

00:56:09.320 work for a while.

00:56:10.360 And like, I just, I, we just, we're FaceTiming so much, FaceTiming so, so much.

00:56:16.600 And, uh, and then what was that?

00:56:19.420 She's keeping an eye on you.

00:56:20.340 That's why she's keeping an eye on me.

00:56:21.920 She's trying to do anyway, but she would nip like, you know, she would nip when I make

00:56:25.560 certain comments, when I'm just kind of being a man and making certain comments, um, she would

00:56:29.220 kind of nip that.

00:56:30.120 Oh, you shouldn't say that.

00:56:31.320 You shouldn't talk like that.

00:56:32.200 She'd kind of be trying to demasculize me.

00:56:35.200 Right.

00:56:35.820 And I, and I was a bit of like a pussy at the time.

00:56:39.120 I was, it's kind of, I, you know, that's what happens to some guys.

00:56:41.940 I see them in the relationships and they get, they, they slowly get softer.

00:56:45.540 They lose their edge.

00:56:46.700 They get solved.

00:56:47.860 It's called, um, it's called pussification by a thousand concessions.

00:56:50.680 Yeah.

00:56:51.220 And that's, and that's also why I've loved being single.

00:56:53.640 It's a fucking, you just feel like a fucking man.

00:56:55.940 You fucking, you know, you do whatever, you know, it's like, it's, it feels good, you know?

00:56:59.480 Um, but so she, I, I let, I let her get, you know, again, I think it's important if anyone's

00:57:04.160 retracing their dating history, it's like, look, like, did she, no, I let myself kind

00:57:09.240 of get pussified a little bit.

00:57:10.260 But anyways, like she, she was, point was that she was back, she had, there's a reading

00:57:14.800 week or she's back from university.

00:57:16.760 And I literally flow, flew back to Toronto to see her, like book the flight, paid the

00:57:22.480 money, boom, boom, boom.

00:57:24.260 And then like, and then, you know, met, went to like meet up with her.

00:57:27.240 But like, when I got to Toronto, she was being super distant, went to meet up with her.

00:57:30.320 And then like, she literally like, and this is when we got very intimate emotionally.

00:57:34.020 And then she told me like, she, uh, she, uh, she told me like, she, like, she was, she's

00:57:39.220 being like really distant and like mean or whatever, like bitchy.

00:57:42.880 And like, and then she like, she's like, yeah, sorry.

00:57:44.880 I'm like, I got back together with my ex-boyfriend.

00:57:47.500 And, and then, but before that she, she mentioned something about her ex-boyfriend and I was like,

00:57:51.560 Hey, like, is this an issue?

00:57:52.440 Should I be worried here?

00:57:53.220 This ex-boyfriend thing.

00:57:54.460 And she was like, Oh no, no, no, no, I'm not into him at all.

00:57:57.100 Like we had a terrible thing.

00:57:58.540 Like I'm not into it at all.

00:57:59.660 Like, yes.

00:58:00.060 Come to like, she was like telling me to come to Toronto.

00:58:01.780 And then, uh, and then she fucking pulled that on me and I just, I just went home and

00:58:06.000 I was like, I just felt crushed, man.

00:58:07.960 Like I really, really wanted to see her.

00:58:09.660 And then I was into her and I shared a lot with her.

00:58:11.840 And then she literally just, she, she told me that.

00:58:14.540 And this event, this hit me hard, like hit me hard.

00:58:18.340 And I just remember like fucking being so pissed.

00:58:21.980 And like, even still, even though all that shit, I was like, fuck, I wanted to see her.

00:58:25.140 Like I got so excited to see her.

00:58:26.240 And then I went on my computer, I opened Evernote.

00:58:28.500 I did some journaling and I just wrote.

00:58:30.640 And then I just got to that point in like half an hour.

00:58:33.900 And I was just like, I got to that point.

00:58:35.620 I'm like, I was like, no, she lost her chance.

00:58:38.680 That's it.

00:58:39.280 Like she, she like that.

00:58:40.920 It's almost like I hit a switch where I'm still in pussy mode.

00:58:45.520 And I was like, oh, I still want to see her.

00:58:47.260 Like, damn.

00:58:48.060 And I just hit that switch and the switch hit.

00:58:51.220 And I'm just like, don't want anything to do with her.

00:58:53.000 And guess what?

00:58:53.560 But probably, I don't know if it's a week or two weeks later, send a text message.

00:58:58.500 Hey, didn't respond.

00:59:00.880 Hey, how are you?

00:59:02.300 Didn't respond.

00:59:03.460 Are you mad?

00:59:04.260 Didn't respond.

00:59:04.860 And then I got fucking essays, bro.

00:59:06.640 I got fucking essays, essays, essays.

00:59:09.860 I never responded.

00:59:11.620 You know what?

00:59:12.360 You know what women hate the most?

00:59:13.820 Like the thing that motivates them the most when they misbehave is what's called a, it's

00:59:19.620 either called a soft necks or a hard necks.

00:59:21.460 And a soft necks you usually do for a few days.

00:59:23.360 Like you just ignore them.

00:59:24.560 Women hate it when you take away attention, right?

00:59:27.280 That's when they lose their mind and they start writing the essays.

00:59:30.940 Yeah.

00:59:31.500 She never got it again.

00:59:33.480 I was at a bar a year later and her sister came up to me and slapped me in the face.

00:59:40.100 She's like, oh, where did you do that to my sister?

00:59:41.580 I was like, what the hell?

00:59:43.900 I literally, this girl literally made me fly to Toronto, then said, sorry, I'm back with

00:59:48.840 my ex-boyfriend and I'm the asshole.

00:59:53.480 So how old was she?

00:59:55.920 She was like, I must've been 21.

00:59:58.740 She's probably 19.

00:59:59.960 Oh yeah.

01:00:00.300 Okay.

01:00:00.500 So she's in a party years, man.

01:00:01.660 She's flipping back and forth is what she's doing.

01:00:03.860 She's flipping back and forth, but also, you know what?

01:00:05.880 I made the mistake where I was entering her frame and I was kind of getting.

01:00:10.800 You know about frame.

01:00:12.280 What?

01:00:13.040 Oh, you know about frame.

01:00:14.260 Dude, I, I, I, I'm into the, I'm into this stuff, man.

01:00:17.340 I, I, I, but frame, frame is like very powerful for, you know, really any, any social context.

01:00:23.220 It is.

01:00:23.360 Yeah.

01:00:23.580 Yeah.

01:00:23.720 It applies to business transactions, uh, you know, deals, customers, women, especially

01:00:28.080 like you definitely want women in your frame.

01:00:30.080 Like when she's telling you what to do, you know, for example, like when you're on, you

01:00:34.040 know, the, uh, FaceTime, when you're in LA and she's like, oh, don't say this and don't

01:00:37.320 do that.

01:00:37.800 You're entering her frame.

01:00:39.060 Right.

01:00:39.880 You know, versus like, I don't care what you think, you know, sort of thing, which is

01:00:42.740 her coming into your frame.

01:00:43.840 Um, it's a really interesting dynamic.

01:00:46.240 And when you, and I really wish I knew this stuff when I was younger, like I didn't really

01:00:49.920 get my head fully around it until I was in my forties, but guys that are learning this

01:00:54.180 from me now as a result of watching my channel or reading my book, like, like they're really

01:00:58.180 doing a lot better with women in their twenties and thirties and they're not making the stupid

01:01:01.720 mistakes that I did.

01:01:03.060 And certain, I've noticed this certain, certain women, certain, even beautiful women, uh, they

01:01:08.680 will, they will test guys.

01:01:10.460 And one of the ways they'll test guys is they will try and take the frame from you.

01:01:13.840 Constantly, I've had this not too long ago where literally this, this girl, girl is

01:01:20.820 like trying to hold the frame, like no one else.

01:01:24.080 And, you know, in little ways and boss girl, was that one of these boss girls?

01:01:29.160 Yeah.

01:01:29.740 She was young and hot, but like, she was, she was all like taking the, the, you know, I'd

01:01:34.580 say, Hey, come here.

01:01:35.220 And like, whatever she would be.

01:01:36.480 And I looked, I looked, called her on it.

01:01:38.280 I was like, I was like, what you was like, you have very, very strong frame control.

01:01:41.440 Yeah.

01:01:41.680 I literally told her and it's like, what are you talking about?

01:01:44.000 I'm like, look, like you, like, you know, usually when I, when I'm out with women, they,

01:01:47.900 they try and be night, like, like effortless to hang out with their, their pleasant, they

01:01:52.220 go and like, you're, you just like to kind of be a little combative and standoffish.

01:01:57.220 And, uh, and I literally called her on it and I just kind of, just kind of just withdrew

01:02:02.120 my attention.

01:02:02.740 And then she changed immediately.

01:02:06.040 It's amazing how that works.

01:02:07.160 So these like, like hashtag boss girls that you see out there, like I'm a boss, bitch,

01:02:11.380 boss girl, all that sort of stuff.

01:02:12.500 It's like, these women are the worst to deal with.

01:02:14.640 Cause they're going to try to run your life.

01:02:16.040 They're going to want you to enter their frame.

01:02:17.840 They're going to put you through the beta tization through a thousand, you know, concessions

01:02:20.920 process.

01:02:21.640 And ultimately she's going to turn you from the, you know, she's going to be like, Oh, look,

01:02:24.960 I'm with Greg O'Gallagher and let's have Thanksgiving dinner with my family.

01:02:27.720 Look how hot he is and blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:02:28.920 And successful.

01:02:29.360 And then she'll turn you into some beta bitch within like six to 12 months with all

01:02:33.160 that, you know, constant beating you down with the concessions that you make over and

01:02:37.040 over again.

01:02:37.820 So it's one of these things that a lot of guys sleepwalk through in life, you know,

01:02:41.360 when it comes to women and relationships, cause they do what, you know, you and I were

01:02:45.600 sold the bill of lies on, which is, well, just be a nice guy, you know, and everything

01:02:49.040 will work out and, you know, she'll be in your frame and she'll compliment your life

01:02:52.140 and she won't ever, you know, hurt your feelings or go back to the other guy, you

01:02:55.680 know, when you think that you're flying back to Toronto to be with her sort of

01:02:57.940 thing, it's, it's really, really interesting when you dive down at all.

01:03:00.940 And you know what?

01:03:01.540 And that's probably one of the big, yeah.

01:03:03.580 I mean, you know, if, if someone off the bat is just kind of their, their operating

01:03:08.280 system is very, very difficult.

01:03:10.400 And that's probably not the girl that you should date.

01:03:13.460 Like I agree fully, but it, you know, it is really fascinating how, you know, how a lot

01:03:18.780 of, a lot, I think the biggest mistake that I, I think I see men make and that I've seen

01:03:24.080 myself fall into before is, is, you know, trying to, you know, like the only way to like

01:03:31.220 influence behavior in a positive way is basically just with your attention, you know?

01:03:35.700 And so, and, and so like, that's kind of the big connection that I've made.

01:03:39.640 Like sometimes girls will kind of, they'll be shit testing, they'll be taking the frame,

01:03:43.220 they'll be doing this, they'll be, and then they'll just try and like, they'll, they'll,

01:03:46.940 they'll try and chase, chase, chase.

01:03:48.480 And like, that's not the, it's not the move to do that.

01:03:50.740 You just gotta, you just gotta withdraw.

01:03:53.060 There's only, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's probably the most, it's very

01:03:57.480 powerful, very powerful.

01:03:58.980 Are you familiar with the concept of hypergamy?

01:04:03.100 Um, to a limited degree, not, not extensively, but.

01:04:07.680 All it really means is that a woman's gotta be able to look up to you and, and see that

01:04:12.460 you're the best guy that she can possibly get with, right?

01:04:15.260 So women date across and up on the socioeconomic scale.

01:04:18.440 It's why, you know, you're not dating, um, women that are equivalent to you or higher.

01:04:23.460 You're dating women that are on the socioeconomic scale, either at your level or below.

01:04:27.880 Right.

01:04:28.620 Um, and guys look at women as beauty objects.

01:04:31.560 Women look at guys as success objects.

01:04:33.600 So, um, what it is essentially that they're trying to do is throw a competency test at

01:04:38.460 you, which is also known as a shit test to see if you're the best guy that they can get.

01:04:41.340 Like, you know, like, is this guy, somebody that's going to say no to me, right?

01:04:45.460 Like they want to hear no, they're never going to tell you, you know, tell me no, but they

01:04:48.340 actually want to hear you.

01:04:49.520 No, they want to like get ghosted from time to time.

01:04:53.020 If they misbehave so that they can get put back in check, they'll never tell you this.

01:04:56.400 And you know, women watching this right now, or they'll say, Hey Greg, you know, I saw

01:04:59.080 that interview with rich and he's lying.

01:05:00.300 He's full of shit, but you use it and you see it work.

01:05:03.540 Don't worry about it.

01:05:04.480 Just watch how they respond to it is all I tell guys.

01:05:06.580 Right.

01:05:07.260 Oh, this.

01:05:07.720 Yeah.

01:05:07.900 No apps apps.

01:05:08.920 Fact.

01:05:09.300 Yeah.

01:05:10.040 Yeah.

01:05:10.420 You know what?

01:05:10.920 And it's, it is true.

01:05:12.300 Like if you, if you look back historically at times when you put a girl on the pedestal

01:05:17.300 and just been available and, and you're like a celebrity, she's going to treat you like

01:05:21.740 a fan.

01:05:22.080 Right.

01:05:22.700 Yeah.

01:05:23.360 Yeah.

01:05:24.060 Even if you're, even if you're fucking Brad Pitt doing that, you can even these, you know,

01:05:28.560 even these, these like, like even these, some of these huge celebrities that they have,

01:05:32.620 they have girls, like they, they're, they're, they're getting simpy for girls, not for some

01:05:38.240 one person at least.

01:05:39.780 Um, yeah.

01:05:41.280 I want to talk about, um, a little bit more back to the business than the self-care stuff.

01:05:45.820 Um, so right now your business is, is more or less tied into programs, clothing and nutritional

01:05:54.660 supplements.

01:05:55.260 And I think I'm wearing one of your shirts.

01:05:57.280 Is that, is that how, by the way, you DM me on Instagram?

01:06:00.560 Cause I normally don't get DMS from guys with blue check marks.

01:06:03.540 Yeah.

01:06:04.100 So I actually, I remember a good friend of mine, um, a good business friend of mine,

01:06:09.480 um, he actually mentioned, he mentioned you, uh, I don't know if it was a year or two years

01:06:14.720 ago.

01:06:14.940 He mentioned, he was like, Oh, this guy, entrepreneur, entrepreneur cars.

01:06:17.280 Like, it's like really got really fucking sick content.

01:06:20.180 Um, and I remember like, I, so I remember hearing about you back then.

01:06:24.940 And then, uh, and then just recently, I don't know, I don't know what I was watching on YouTube.

01:06:29.960 I think I just, I think I, I think I came into some, one of your content pieces.

01:06:33.520 I think some, some Will Smith thing, Will Smith, uh, I saw a video and I was watching

01:06:37.480 this video, I'm like, I'm like, and it, like, it's a white Henley shirt, right?

01:06:40.280 It's a white Henley shirt.

01:06:41.020 It's not like this crazy design that I can recognize, but I'm like, I'm like, that looks

01:06:44.740 like a Kino clothing shirt.

01:06:46.000 I can break the feel.

01:06:47.740 And I was like, you know what?

01:06:48.700 Let's, let's hit this guy up with a message.

01:06:50.580 I'm like, Hey, you know, well, I, you know, I picked them up because I'm always looking

01:06:55.340 for clothes that fit nice and are comfortable.

01:06:58.260 And, you know, cause I follow you on social.

01:07:00.040 I'm like, you know, that stuff looks like it fits properly.

01:07:02.260 So I placed an order about a year ago and I got some, some shirts and some, some of the

01:07:06.300 joggers and stuff.

01:07:07.100 And, you know, they work out really well.

01:07:09.660 Like it's, it's great clothing.

01:07:11.300 It's high quality.

01:07:12.400 I'm not getting paid to say this guys or anything like this.

01:07:14.720 I don't have an affiliate link.

01:07:15.640 Just go to Kino body and buy the clothing.

01:07:17.220 Like it's just nice stuff.

01:07:19.240 Um, I appreciate it.

01:07:20.300 We have our black Friday set on right now.

01:07:21.960 Yeah, go buy it.

01:07:23.500 Cause it's really nice stuff and it fits properly, especially if you have a good physique and

01:07:26.540 you don't have to spend a lot of money on clothes.

01:07:28.760 Like one of the great lies out there is, you know, with a lot of style gurus and yes, if

01:07:33.500 you don't have a nice body and you don't have, you know, this, that, and the other

01:07:36.800 thing style can move the bar for you, but you can put, I don't know.

01:07:41.060 What do these costs?

01:07:41.620 40, 50 bucks.

01:07:42.860 Yeah.

01:07:43.360 Yeah, exactly.

01:07:44.460 I mean, like you can put a $40, you know, piece of clothing on somebody that's got a

01:07:47.780 good physique and you can look better than a guy that spent a thousand dollars on a tailored,

01:07:52.440 you know, shirt and pants or a jacket or something like that.

01:07:55.140 Um, it really helps.

01:07:56.800 So can you talk a little bit about the supplement line, the clothing and the nutritional line

01:08:00.940 and those businesses?

01:08:02.340 Yes.

01:08:02.980 So the business began with programs.

01:08:06.780 I actually, when I was 20 years old, I had people, I was doing affiliate for this other

01:08:11.000 workout.

01:08:11.560 I'm like, dude, I've seen your free workouts.

01:08:13.660 They're working better than this program you're promoting.

01:08:16.480 You shouldn't make your own program.

01:08:17.800 And so I started, uh, creating fitness programs, um, first and, you know, we did, you know,

01:08:25.160 Greek guide, uh, now our flagship program is movie star body.

01:08:28.980 And they're basically like six month programs, nutrition and training to create a transformation,

01:08:33.640 to create a certain physique, um, with the fasting, the lifting, the different phases.

01:08:38.580 Um, and so that's always, that's been like the core business model.

01:08:41.700 Um, and then, you know, and then, uh, a few years ago I had the opportunity to start and

01:08:48.260 build my own supplements.

01:08:49.080 And, and really the, the mindset there was that there wasn't really a pre-workout that

01:08:53.500 I wanted to take most of the pre-workouts, you know, I couldn't sleep on mostly for the

01:08:58.460 pre-workout for the Keno Octane.

01:09:00.660 Yeah.

01:09:01.240 Yeah.

01:09:01.760 Yeah.

01:09:01.940 That was kind of the first supplement that we created was, was actually the pre-workout.

01:09:04.880 I had the ability to create exactly what I wanted as a pre-workout and we created it

01:09:09.640 and it has like the L-phenanine, so you feel very calm and focused and it's just like an

01:09:13.960 awesome pre-workout.

01:09:15.060 And then, and then kind of the next kind of supplement I got really into was, uh, doing

01:09:18.320 like a, a collagen protein, uh, which is great for your skin.

01:09:21.660 Um, and then, so we did the collagen protein, then we made a little muscle building formula

01:09:26.140 and it's just a few key supplements that you take on my training, um, to kind of in,

01:09:32.440 to improve results.

01:09:33.360 And if nothing else, just taking the, the Octane and collagen, you got more energy, better workouts,

01:09:38.340 faster recovery, and you, you get the benefits of adding collagen to your diet.

01:09:42.580 And so it's two key supplements and that's been growing a lot.

01:09:45.660 We have thousands of people on our monthly subscription program there.

01:09:49.080 Um, and, and then really the clothing line.

01:09:52.720 And it's, again, this all ties into like kind of building the life, you build in the body

01:09:56.220 and then build in life your dreams.

01:09:57.500 The clothing line is it's, it's really kind of creating that the goal is to really create

01:10:00.960 that Hollywood effect, you know?

01:10:02.420 So rich, you know, you, you've leaned down, you've got your body fat down, you put on some

01:10:06.760 strength and muscle, guess what?

01:10:08.820 You know, you go to target, you buy clothes and you walk around the street and no one,

01:10:13.820 people can kind of notice, but you're not really turning heads.

01:10:16.880 It's so it's like, it's like, if you build, if you're building the body,

01:10:20.100 Off the shelf clothing sucks.

01:10:21.460 It never fits properly.

01:10:22.740 Never, never.

01:10:23.720 You can't.

01:10:24.080 And then you, you hide your proportions.

01:10:25.680 And, and so in men, the strongest sign of physical attraction is going to be that

01:10:30.960 shoulder to waist ratio.

01:10:32.620 That's even the shorter guys.

01:10:33.920 That's more important.

01:10:35.260 Yeah.

01:10:35.640 Sorry.

01:10:35.940 I wrote about that in my book.

01:10:36.980 I was talking about the golden ratio.

01:10:38.360 It's 1.62 shoulder to waist.

01:10:40.300 Exactly.

01:10:40.740 And it's even, it's even more powerful than your height.

01:10:43.700 So for guys that are not six foot one, they've done studies on this actually.

01:10:47.680 Yeah.

01:10:47.780 Yeah.

01:10:48.260 It's, it's so like the shoulder to waist ratio is the strongest sign of, of, uh, physical

01:10:52.660 attraction.

01:10:53.100 So you built the shoulder to waist ratio, but now you're wearing clothing.

01:10:56.720 That's built for someone that is kind of built more like a rectangle.

01:10:59.980 And you don't, yeah, you don't really capture that.

01:11:03.040 And so the clothing line is really to kind of create that Hollywood effect where, okay,

01:11:06.460 you're in great shape.

01:11:07.580 Now we're wearing tailored clothing that can actually capture that proportion.

01:11:11.780 And now you walk down the street and you're getting compliments and people are looking at

01:11:15.100 you because you're actually, it's contoured to your physique.

01:11:18.160 And then, you know, when you throw on a pair of jeans, boots, leather jacket, Kino top,

01:11:23.700 Kino Henley, it's like, now you look like a movie star and it doesn't, you know, and

01:11:28.520 it's fashion for men is fashion for men.

01:11:31.520 If you're in really good shape, it's so simple.

01:11:33.740 Just a cool, cool Kino shirt, some jeans, go, you know, get a, get a, you know, nice

01:11:38.960 jacket, you know, wherever.

01:11:41.160 And you just, you look good all the time.

01:11:42.740 And I actually, I actually recommend simplifying that go to your wardrobe, throw everything

01:11:46.780 out, throw everything that you don't love.

01:11:48.820 That isn't like really versatile out and start from scratch.

01:11:51.660 And then, you know, you have your, you have your jeans, whatever you have, your, your

01:11:55.420 Henleys, your, your, your tops, your, your button down shirts, and just keep it simple.

01:11:59.680 So every day you don't have to think about what you're going to wear, like, boom.

01:12:02.280 Okay.

01:12:02.880 Monday through Friday, I'm just going to throw on, you know, white Henley or black Henley

01:12:06.380 or, or a pocket shirt and my, my pants.

01:12:10.160 And then on, you know, and then it just, like you should, men should not be going into the

01:12:15.280 wardrobe, putting something on, looking in the mirror, going back and then doing that for

01:12:19.640 30 minutes, that is the opposite of what you should be doing.

01:12:22.660 It takes too much time.

01:12:23.980 Yeah.

01:12:24.600 It's a good waste of time.

01:12:25.740 What is, um, how did you come up with the name Kino Body?

01:12:28.480 Like, what does that mean?

01:12:30.600 So I actually, you know, I actually was very, I was actually very interested in the, you

01:12:35.920 know, I, I was very fascinated or curious about the pickup industry.

01:12:40.700 Um, I was, when I was a teenager, who did you follow?

01:12:44.980 Uh, who do I follow?

01:12:46.220 So, uh, I, I honestly, I found mystery really, really, really compelling just the way he

01:12:53.840 talked and held attention and his little gambits.

01:12:57.060 I found it very interesting.

01:12:58.760 Um, obviously, you know, for anyone, like anyone that listens, it's listening, like you

01:13:03.280 got to be able to like take everything with a grain of salt, uh, and not be, you know,

01:13:07.520 but, but I, I found them like pretty compelling.

01:13:09.620 Um, I think there's some other, there's some other people that I, that I, uh, followed.

01:13:14.400 I know I watched some RS, RSV stuff, but, um, but, uh, you know, and I read the book,

01:13:20.460 the game.

01:13:21.180 And so the, but, but, so long story short, um, I was, you know, I found that stuff kind

01:13:26.200 of fascinating.

01:13:27.580 Um, and some of that stuff was helpful.

01:13:29.400 Some of that stuff, you know, you know, it was, uh, was, uh, was not like, it's kind

01:13:34.800 of kind of learn it, taking a few little pieces, but, um, but no, I, I honestly, I

01:13:40.060 think, I think the mystery was, was really, really cool.

01:13:42.120 And, and though, you know, and, and he was, he was, he was actually like six foot five,

01:13:47.400 six foot six magician wearing funky glasses going, he's, he's kind of a crazy individual,

01:13:53.000 but, but anyways, um, one of the key terms was Kino, Kino escalation, right?

01:13:59.660 Oh, okay.

01:14:00.300 Like as an escalation.

01:14:01.300 Okay.

01:14:01.660 Yeah.

01:14:02.020 So like physical touch between a man and woman.

01:14:03.740 And it's like, look, like if you could have, you could have the best conversation in the

01:14:07.000 world, be the coolest guy in the world talking to a girl.

01:14:09.320 But if there is no sense of physical touch, then the things are not moving into, into.

01:14:16.200 So Kino isn't, you know, touching the body.

01:14:18.160 Cause it looks hot.

01:14:19.340 Yeah.

01:14:19.960 Yeah.

01:14:20.220 So like, it's like, you know, body, it's like a body that fucking looks fucking girl.

01:14:23.660 So good.

01:14:24.160 Like women can't keep their hands off.

01:14:25.740 Women keep, keep the hands off you.

01:14:27.060 It's like natural, you know, like it's like when you, when you, when you, you know, when you get

01:14:31.060 that a lot from women and, you know, when you're talking to them, like they

01:14:33.720 just kind of like, like, I used to have women just like grab my chest and I'd be like, what

01:14:37.320 are you doing?

01:14:37.700 Like, I can't do that to you.

01:14:39.540 I, I, I get like, Oh, I get, like, I get that a little bit.

01:14:45.240 Um, I've also like, you know, like, I, like when I was in my twenties and I was, you know,

01:14:50.660 it was like randoms, like women that I used to work with and stuff.

01:14:52.860 It was so interesting.

01:14:56.780 It's like, you know, now, now we got this me too culture, right?

01:15:00.880 Yeah.

01:15:01.200 Back in the day when I used to work in the corporate world, you know, before I had my

01:15:04.080 own businesses, like they would do that.

01:15:06.420 Wow.

01:15:07.440 Well, that was, but that was back in the day.

01:15:09.300 Yeah.

01:15:09.780 I mean, they, you know, they still do that stuff and they, they get away with it.

01:15:12.680 Um, this is, it's that double standard, but you know, I, I definitely like that.

01:15:16.900 Ryan Goss crazy, but love movie.

01:15:18.180 Like I've had that moment so many times when, you know, you take your shirt off and the girl's

01:15:21.200 just like, dude, you look photoshopped.

01:15:23.700 Like what, like, um, but again, like I, I think like having, having the body dialed

01:15:29.040 in and being in really, really good shape, it just, it makes it so much easier for the

01:15:33.220 girl to, to like hook up with like, it's like, they, they, it just, it's, it's, it, it helps

01:15:38.740 so much.

01:15:39.760 Um, but, but, um, but so yeah, that was the, that was where Kino came from.

01:15:44.080 That was kind of where it came from.

01:15:45.800 And also like, there was some really cool, like a lot of like German Kino translates to movie,

01:15:50.120 so movie body, movie star body, a lot of cool, like little, uh, connections with, with Kino

01:15:55.760 there.

01:15:56.400 Um, but, but really it was like, really it was, it was like the time I started Kino

01:16:01.120 body, right.

01:16:01.740 What was the fitness landscape was very interesting.

01:16:05.420 It was, there was, you know, people that wanted to just simply lose weight, but losing

01:16:09.920 weight was kind of just not, it was kind of for like average people just losing weight,

01:16:14.100 not really building a great body.

01:16:15.500 There was, uh, athlete training, which is, you know, super cool, but like that's

01:16:20.100 more tailored if you're a football player, whatever, basketball player.

01:16:22.960 And then there was like, simply like just getting big, just bodybuilding and getting

01:16:27.580 big.

01:16:28.180 And so what was the problem with that was that no fitness approach spoke to me.

01:16:32.860 I was like, man, like, I was like, I was like just bodybuilding, eating 4,000 calories

01:16:37.320 and getting up to 200 pounds or whatever of fluff and puff is not, that's not the look.

01:16:45.200 That's not what's going to, that's not what I personally want, nor is that what like girls

01:16:50.080 are going to be like jump.

01:16:50.920 Women don't like that.

01:16:51.540 They like the swimmer's body.

01:16:53.020 Exactly.

01:16:53.520 And then, and then, you know, and so there was nothing spoke to me.

01:16:56.140 I'm like, you know, let, let me carve out a fitness philosophy where I'm going to build

01:17:00.800 the body of a movie star.

01:17:02.460 I'm going to get really, really strong.

01:17:04.420 And you see this with people, my programs, they get really, really, really strong where

01:17:08.400 they're doing a hundred pound pull-ups and they're incline pressing a hundred plus

01:17:11.960 pound dumbbells.

01:17:12.940 Yeah.

01:17:13.480 Um, it works.

01:17:14.980 I mean, I've seen a lot of the footage, like the video footage that you put out and it's like,

01:17:18.040 you can't fake that and some guys might argue, oh, well, he's on gear.

01:17:21.940 He's on juice.

01:17:22.560 No, no.

01:17:23.220 If you, if you lift properly and you feed your body, right.

01:17:26.400 And you train properly, like you can actually be stronger off gear than what you are on

01:17:32.620 gear.

01:17:32.740 Like I can tell you right now, like on testosterone therapy at my age, I can't lift like the same

01:17:37.760 amount of weight that Greg can right now.

01:17:39.300 Nat, but when I was his age, Natty, I definitely could.

01:17:42.260 But yeah, yeah, there's some research that like, basically your, your, your, your relative

01:17:48.200 strength, how strong you are, uh, relative to your body weight is, is, um, going on gear.

01:17:53.360 It's not going to help that much, um, for relative strength.

01:17:55.820 I think, uh, Greg Knuckles of strength theory, he had some cool content on that.

01:18:02.720 And again, like, you know, I, I try and I'm all about proof.

01:18:05.740 So I obviously showing my testosterone levels that can be faked and whatever, but I've shown

01:18:09.620 my testosterone levels four or five times in the full blood panel of LH, FSH.

01:18:14.900 And so it's, it's, you know, the numbers are very, they're always consistent within 10%

01:18:20.240 or whatever.

01:18:21.400 Um, and I've done my dexascans and, and I, I always tell, I tell my haters, Hey, if you

01:18:26.760 want to bring your girl over and fucking check out my package, it's fucking big fucking balls.

01:18:30.980 Okay.

01:18:31.280 There's no shrinkage.

01:18:32.120 So, so, so you can do that.

01:18:35.520 Would you, would you ever go on a TRT when you get older?

01:18:39.620 You know, I've, I've actually opened the conversation with, uh, with, uh, some, you know, fitness

01:18:44.180 guys that are like in their forties about this.

01:18:47.680 Um, so I have my testosterone levels checked.

01:18:50.780 Um, what do you do like checking once a year or, uh, I'd say every few years.

01:18:55.440 Um, I've gotten checked when I was like 23, 25 and I got them checked recently.

01:19:04.540 Um, but when I got them checked recently, I was literally just, I was recovering from being

01:19:08.280 sick and so I don't know if they were, but like the, the recent test was around 600 and 605.

01:19:13.740 Um, but my, I don't like the jab recently around the same time that you tested it.

01:19:18.300 Um, not the same time.

01:19:20.220 No.

01:19:20.620 Okay.

01:19:21.120 Like even like close, like within a few months.

01:19:24.040 No.

01:19:24.700 Okay.

01:19:25.080 All right.

01:19:25.580 Now I was just curious, cause a buddy of mine has been telling me that, you know, he's been

01:19:28.320 tracking some, some of his, uh, clients that have gotten the jab.

01:19:31.240 And if the blood labs are coming back close to the time of the jab, they're noticing like

01:19:35.420 a steep decline in the testosterone levels from it.

01:19:38.480 Come on.

01:19:39.680 Yeah.

01:19:40.600 Wow.

01:19:41.020 It doesn't, did, did he say that it bounced back or no?

01:19:44.440 Um, you know what?

01:19:46.200 I'll ask him for you.

01:19:47.800 Yeah.

01:19:48.400 I didn't go too far down the conversation, but I mean, I would imagine your body should

01:19:51.580 be able to recover.

01:19:52.860 Yeah.

01:19:53.400 Yeah.

01:19:54.140 Yeah, for sure.

01:19:54.940 Um, but, but so my levels are around 600.

01:19:58.220 And so, you know, I, I've also hit that point right now where I will say I'm 30 years old.

01:20:03.680 I've been training, literally lifting weights since I was 13.

01:20:07.740 My strength probably peaked around 28, 29.

01:20:11.480 Like I've been training for a long time.

01:20:14.340 Um, and if I'm going to stay around 180, 178, like I've pretty much lifted as heavy as I'll

01:20:22.140 ever lift in my life.

01:20:23.220 Um, now if I, obviously if I was on gear, um, I could probably.

01:20:28.220 You know, I could probably get stronger and build upon that.

01:20:32.160 But at 30 years old, um, I've definitely noticed.

01:20:35.780 You probably won't, you know, to be honest with you, you really don't get that much stronger

01:20:38.380 when you're in a testosterone.

01:20:40.180 Like you'd have to get it.

01:20:41.140 Like I've never used trend or any of the other crazy shit.

01:20:44.220 Um, I mean, you'd have to get into that to really get like the heavy strength, but

01:20:47.520 what I've seen you lift.

01:20:49.480 That's, that's anything more than that.

01:20:52.120 You're going to start stressing your joints.

01:20:53.460 You're going to run into back issues, knee issues, shoulder issues.

01:20:56.500 Yeah.

01:20:57.060 You know what?

01:20:57.520 I, I, I, no, I agree.

01:20:58.960 I've, I've, you know, I've, I've, I've, you know, I've rep 315 for six, seven reps and

01:21:03.980 it's like, Hey, you know, we're good.

01:21:06.000 Like we're, we're good.

01:21:07.080 So like right now it's, it's, uh, but, um, but the TRT thing.

01:21:10.360 And yeah, like, so my, my kind of thesis or my lens that I view kind of fitness on is

01:21:17.180 really all about, um, optimizing for health and longevity.

01:21:22.580 And obviously like, you know, you want to function at a high level.

01:21:25.960 So, uh, the mistake I see a lot of men make is they're in their twenties taking gear, um,

01:21:33.080 and they're kind of shutting down their hormonal levels and they're, uh, a lot of guys that

01:21:37.660 asked me about taking testosterone in their twenties cause they get their levels checked

01:21:41.380 and they know that I talk about TRT and I have a chapter in my book about managing your

01:21:44.960 endocrine system as well.

01:21:46.000 And I talk about TRT and as well, and I tell them all the same thing, do it naturally.

01:21:49.100 Like you don't need to touch testosterone until your body needs it.

01:21:52.460 It's probably not, you may not never need it, but I mean, like the time for that is probably

01:21:56.500 forties for you.

01:21:57.900 Right.

01:21:58.280 Most guys anyway.

01:21:59.620 Yeah.

01:21:59.840 You know, I have, um, everybody wants a shortcut, right?

01:22:02.520 Like, you know, let's flip a switch and lose 20 pounds, you know, put a cream under your

01:22:05.980 eye and wipe away, you know, 10 years of aging.

01:22:07.920 Like everybody wants the shortcuts to life.

01:22:09.460 Right.

01:22:10.040 Yeah.

01:22:10.360 And so, and I, I have nothing against TRT.

01:22:12.460 If someone is in there, is at that age and, and, and they do it correctly and they bring

01:22:17.080 their levels to like a, you know,

01:22:18.660 and under the guidance of a doctor too, I would add as well.

01:22:21.040 Yeah.

01:22:21.240 With a doctor.

01:22:21.920 And it's like, you know what, that, that, that very well, like, I mean, a lot of CEOs, you

01:22:26.200 know, you hear about them.

01:22:26.880 They're, they're, they're kind of getting that extra, extra kick.

01:22:29.860 Look at Jeff Bezos.

01:22:30.880 He looks like a fricking cyborg in his sixties, right?

01:22:32.840 He looks great.

01:22:33.860 Yeah.

01:22:34.240 But so, I mean, for me, it's like, if like, don't do something that's going to age you

01:22:39.100 faster, you're going to take too much and shut down your hormonal levels.

01:22:41.840 It's going to mess with your, your, it's going to mess with your sexual function.

01:22:45.540 Sexual function.

01:22:47.000 Um, but you know, I think, you know, I think Jordan, uh, Jordan Belfort openly talks about

01:22:51.620 TRT and been on it for 10 or something years.

01:22:54.740 What were your levels like before you went on TRT?

01:22:59.300 They were, they were mid upper, but I didn't have, um, like the same level of, um, optimization

01:23:07.180 that I had years before.

01:23:08.700 Like I was around 43 or so, maybe 44, I think.

01:23:11.780 And, and I just remember going to the gym and it's like, I'd be there for 10, 15 minutes

01:23:16.040 and I'd feel like so unmotivated.

01:23:17.720 I would like, I do like a bullshit workout.

01:23:19.280 Like I'm, I'm here now, so I'm just going to do calves, right.

01:23:21.360 Just to say that I did something and I didn't have good productivity levels and focus, uh,

01:23:25.900 wasn't waking up with morning wood.

01:23:27.520 Like, you know, like the standard, like low T symptoms that started to happen.

01:23:31.020 And I wasn't low per se on the government tables, but the government tables, like it's

01:23:35.840 like when, like a kid can't dunk the basketball, then they just lower the net.

01:23:38.980 That's what the government's been doing, you know, with the tables.

01:23:41.400 So testosterone levels have actually precipitously declined over the last 50 years.

01:23:45.300 There's a really good book.

01:23:46.120 Actually, I think that if you haven't read it, you should check it out.

01:23:48.300 The guy's name is Dr. Anthony Jay and it's called Estrogeneration.

01:23:51.360 And he talks about all the environmental estrogens out there that are lowering, you know, testosterone

01:23:55.120 levels and how it affects you and all that sort of stuff.

01:23:56.860 I literally just found out that there's, there's pithylates or however you pronounce that

01:24:00.040 word in Chipotle.

01:24:01.400 Phthalates.

01:24:01.820 Yeah.

01:24:02.460 Phthalates.

01:24:02.940 Phthalates.

01:24:03.420 Yeah.

01:24:03.800 Yeah.

01:24:04.180 Plastic tainted chemicals that.

01:24:05.620 Yeah.

01:24:05.740 There's a phthalates in plastic.

01:24:07.180 There's atrazine, which, uh,

01:24:08.480 I mean, come on.

01:24:10.640 They couldn't just make that like.

01:24:12.560 Dude, the tap water has estrogen in it because women are on birth control pills and they're

01:24:16.020 peeing in the toilets.

01:24:16.980 It goes into the water treatment plants.

01:24:18.800 They can't like, they can filter out particles, but they can't filter out hormones.

01:24:22.460 So if you're drinking tap water out of a fountain, out of like your faucet, like if

01:24:26.700 you boil pasta, you know, with tap water, that's got female estrogen in it.

01:24:31.160 Right.

01:24:31.360 What do you do for, for water?

01:24:32.940 I have a, well, I, um, I drink a lot of this, which is a, uh, spring water.

01:24:38.660 Um, this is actually a Canadian company.

01:24:40.180 It's called flow, but they have alkaline water and it's got collagen in it too.

01:24:43.620 Um, and I, I, one of my friends is one of the, uh, one of the investors in flow.

01:24:49.080 Yeah.

01:24:49.220 It tastes really good.

01:24:49.900 Um, so I, so I have like cases of that, you know, delivered every month, but I also have

01:24:54.460 a five stage, uh, filtration system.

01:24:56.440 It's a reverse osmosis and that gets out the, uh, estrogens out of the water.

01:25:01.140 I just drink sparkling water with glass bottle.

01:25:03.820 Yeah.

01:25:03.980 Guys make funny, you know, they call you like the San Pellegrino water guy.

01:25:06.800 Like I put it out on Twitter and somebody came out with me with like, oh, you're talking

01:25:10.160 to the water meme guy.

01:25:11.140 And I'm like, I'd rather talk to the Jack meme guy than some dork.

01:25:13.880 That's like trying to sell some pickup artist class.

01:25:16.180 It doesn't know anything.

01:25:16.640 Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, no, those guys, yeah, those guys are, um, yeah, you know, and that's

01:25:20.820 one of the things I kind of realized is that as I got a bit older, I kind of, kind of saw

01:25:23.480 through all the, all the pickup artist guys and kind of realized that like, most of them

01:25:28.240 are frauds.

01:25:28.700 Like I was like, I don't have a leg to stand on and they weren't anything before they

01:25:32.520 figured out how to upload onto YouTube and go live and make up some shit about how to

01:25:36.000 get girls and they don't live it in the real life, you know, for the most part.

01:25:39.160 Yeah.

01:25:39.400 I don't think I don't, I'd be surprised if one of those guys dating life is as good as mine.

01:25:43.140 Um, I can, I can pretty much assure you.

01:25:46.940 I mean, uh, you know, mine's, mine's great and I got a great check in my life, but, um,

01:25:50.860 yeah, you know, for the most part, most of the guys in there, um, you know, out there

01:25:54.200 holding up to the public anyway.

01:25:55.640 Um, so yeah.

01:25:56.760 Oh yeah.

01:25:57.220 I was going to say on the, on the TRT thing, it's like, that's also like, dude, like I

01:26:01.000 fricking like, I love having a high sex drive.

01:26:04.900 Like I'm really into a girl.

01:26:05.860 Like I'm, I'm, I'm having sex three times a day.

01:26:08.780 I'm, I am, I love waking up and like, and feeling that sex drive.

01:26:14.500 So when you go in eight times in your forties, you're going to be like, oh yeah, this shit's

01:26:17.880 worth it.

01:26:18.700 Yeah.

01:26:19.040 So, I mean, you know, I'm feeling great now.

01:26:22.600 I've had to kind of accept that.

01:26:23.940 Okay.

01:26:24.180 You know what?

01:26:24.500 Let's maintain my strength around here and just be lean and focus in my business.

01:26:28.820 I don't need to like try and bench 400 pounds.

01:26:31.500 Um, but, but you know, if, if I, if that, that's something, that's something where if

01:26:35.680 I'm like, you know, if I'm 36 or, or, or 45 or 48 and you know, I'm dating a young, hot

01:26:43.100 girl and I got to fucking get my shit going, I got to up my, up my game, then that's something

01:26:47.600 I'll consider.

01:26:48.060 But I'm, I'm a very transparent person and I have integrity.

01:26:51.440 And so if I do anything like that, like best believe, like, yeah, I will, I will say that

01:26:56.480 on a podcast.

01:26:57.160 I'm always open about it.

01:26:58.160 You know, open, you know, and I respect that.

01:27:00.300 What I don't respect is people that are taking shit and like lying about it.

01:27:05.200 A lot of the fitness influencers do.

01:27:07.860 I think actually you had a bout with some, with some, uh, dork down in, uh, I don't know

01:27:12.720 the U S somewhere Skywalker, something like that.

01:27:14.900 And you use his name as a coupon.

01:27:16.960 Tell that story.

01:27:17.660 That was fucking hilarious, man.

01:27:18.740 I laughed my ass off when you did that.

01:27:20.380 Yeah.

01:27:21.000 So, so the story was, is at the time I was doing lots and lots of paid advertisements on

01:27:27.380 Instagram and it was me shirtless.

01:27:29.600 Hey, if you want to build a body, like look, you want to get lean and muscular, swipe up,

01:27:32.940 whatever.

01:27:33.480 And then, um, this guy who had a bigger following than me at the time, he was ripping me up.

01:27:39.760 He's like, he's going, he's doing stories.

01:27:41.620 And be like, look at this fucking loser, skinny bitch, like whatever, uh, uh, like selling

01:27:46.920 cookie cutter programs, boom, boom, boom.

01:27:49.560 Um, and talking shit and I ignored it.

01:27:53.540 And then not too long later, you know, I had a few margaritas with, I was with a girlfriend

01:27:59.920 of mine at a few margaritas and the shit popped off again.

01:28:03.820 Okay.

01:28:04.160 The shit popped off again.

01:28:05.400 And you know, when you have a couple of drinks and you kind of, you know, you, you, when

01:28:10.480 the filters turn off a little bit and you kind of say what you're actually thinking, the

01:28:13.860 filters turn out.

01:28:14.720 And so I was like, you know what?

01:28:17.020 Like, let's have fun here.

01:28:18.460 And I was like, what is that?

01:28:19.260 27 at the time.

01:28:20.600 And the, the, the funniest part was like the, the, a couple, just a couple months ago

01:28:25.440 or no, it was, it was just a matter of months ago.

01:28:28.700 I, I was in LA, this girl DM me, she was actually pretty hot.

01:28:33.820 Um, and, and, uh, and we started hanging out that week while I was there and she, she was

01:28:40.220 like telling me something.

01:28:41.080 She was like, she was like, bring up her ex-boyfriend.

01:28:43.020 She's like, Oh, I gave this ex-boyfriend, whatever.

01:28:44.980 And like, I was like, I was like, cool.

01:28:46.800 But like, she was bringing it up.

01:28:47.640 And I was like, so then like, I was like, Hey, who is this guy?

01:28:50.180 Whatever.

01:28:50.980 Um, and like, she was saying like, he was a little like psycho.

01:28:54.800 Um, I was like, Hey, who is this guy?

01:28:56.440 Whatever.

01:28:57.320 And, uh, she's like, Oh, I don't want to tell you.

01:28:59.060 I'm like, okay.

01:28:59.700 Like, by the way, trend, trend tends to have that effect on your mind.

01:29:04.040 Yeah.

01:29:04.320 It makes, yeah.

01:29:05.000 Yeah.

01:29:05.280 That guy looked like he was on something like that.

01:29:07.800 Cause he was big and he was lean as hell.

01:29:10.500 Yeah.

01:29:10.800 And he, yeah, he, he probably emotions were, were off.

01:29:13.740 Um, but so anyways, she, she kind of told me it was him.

01:29:16.760 And I was like, Oh, I was like, Oh, I was like, Oh, interesting.

01:29:18.760 I was like, I was like, guy hates on me.

01:29:20.380 And so anyways, so then fast forward when he, when he's talking.

01:29:24.020 So you smashed his girl, right?

01:29:25.120 Yeah.

01:29:25.420 So I smashed his girl at four or five times.

01:29:27.800 Um, um, but you know what?

01:29:30.240 She was actually very, very nice, pleasant, chill, chill girl.

01:29:34.260 So nothing to say, but, uh, she was actually very sweet.

01:29:37.060 Um, but so long story short, he's talking, he's talking shit about me.

01:29:41.920 I'm just like, fuck it.

01:29:43.060 Like I had a few marks.

01:29:44.240 Let's fucking do it.

01:29:44.980 And I just, I just started a little Instagram.

01:29:47.480 I put up a little Insta story.

01:29:48.540 I was like some like steroid bodybuilder hater.

01:29:51.120 Uh, it, it, it should talk to me right now.

01:29:53.700 Probb pissed that I banged this girl.

01:30:02.040 He used his name for a coupon code, right?

01:30:04.500 Yeah.

01:30:04.840 So, so anyway, the best part was, the best part was.

01:30:07.660 That's how you monetize your haters guys.

01:30:09.900 The best part was is that I never, I didn't say his name at all.

01:30:13.060 I didn't say his name.

01:30:14.600 And, and like, I barely see this.

01:30:16.520 I didn't tag him.

01:30:17.700 I just said that.

01:30:18.560 Then I get some fun.

01:30:19.640 And so my, my hate, my fault was the one telling me, Hey, this guy's talking shit.

01:30:22.520 It's got to talk shit.

01:30:23.180 I was like, you know what?

01:30:24.160 For the keynote warriors, we're going to fucking end this.

01:30:26.320 And so, so we're going back and forth and he's just like, he's just like, Oh dude, like

01:30:31.080 no fucking like bullshit.

01:30:32.340 Like, like no way my girlfriend would be into you, this and that.

01:30:35.260 Like all your losers, skinny bitch, whatever.

01:30:37.500 And so I'm like, dude, I'm a, I'm a fucking man of my word and I show fucking proof.

01:30:41.560 And so I go back into my Instagram history story history and there's fucking, there's

01:30:46.980 little, little stories of me walking with her, of her getting to my land books.

01:30:52.300 I was filming a little shoot day.

01:30:53.700 And so I'm putting them in, I'm sprinkling in the little proofs.

01:30:56.620 Okay.

01:30:57.240 Sprinkling the proofs and my followers are just fricking dying.

01:31:01.300 I do this little, it's still on my Instagram stories.

01:31:03.680 This is whatever.

01:31:04.460 John Scott.

01:31:04.920 I do this little Instagram story about, I was like, man, I was like, I was like, John,

01:31:10.520 don't worry.

01:31:11.740 Okay.

01:31:12.180 You know what?

01:31:13.280 It's tough, tough situation.

01:31:15.540 It happened, but here's the deal.

01:31:17.320 We're going to get you, we're going to, you know, we're going to get you off the fucking

01:31:19.980 trend.

01:31:20.700 Okay.

01:31:21.020 We're going to get you on my Greek God program.

01:31:23.080 We're going to get you, you're smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.

01:31:25.400 That's fucking gross.

01:31:26.560 Get rid of that shit.

01:31:27.480 We're going to get you on Kino Octane.

01:31:28.920 So I'm going to do this for you today.

01:31:30.280 I'm going to give you a 50% coupon code.

01:31:32.860 All you have to do is so simple.

01:31:34.540 This is the first time I even like really referenced his name.

01:31:36.620 Like all you have to do is put in your name.

01:31:38.840 Okay.

01:31:39.540 John Skywalker, you get 50% off and anyone else, if you guys want to use this, use the, you

01:31:45.120 know, use the code too.

01:31:47.220 And the code started ripping.

01:31:49.280 And because literally, because like people love drama.

01:31:51.980 So because like my story views tripled, which is tripled because I was getting so much attention.

01:31:57.480 He kept tagging me, shit talking me.

01:31:59.520 His followers were coming over and then they, they started to like, and so during this whole

01:32:04.220 thing, I'm fucking, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm fucking, I'm creating my new friend.

01:32:08.360 He, he has, he has his followers.

01:32:10.180 Now they're entering my friend because guess what?

01:32:11.940 They're on my Instagram.

01:32:12.860 They're watching my Insta story.

01:32:14.200 I'm showing transformations.

01:32:15.740 I'm showing before and afters.

01:32:17.060 I'm like, I'm like, John, where are your before and afters?

01:32:19.520 I have the best in the industry.

01:32:20.680 Look at these testimonials.

01:32:21.900 Look at this.

01:32:22.920 And so his followers come over to hate on me, hate on me.

01:32:25.040 And they're getting fucking, they're getting, they're getting into my shit.

01:32:28.580 And then they like, how much did you sell with that coupon code?

01:32:31.860 So it's like, I think very fast we did 10 K and then 20 K and then within 24 hours, we

01:32:38.260 did $130,000 U S.

01:32:40.580 So you made $130,000 off this idiot.

01:32:43.120 Cause he was making fun of you.

01:32:45.040 Yeah, I did.

01:32:46.640 I did.

01:32:47.160 That's awesome.

01:32:48.080 Yeah.

01:32:48.260 We banged his girl.

01:32:49.640 He banged his girl and you made 130 grand, 130 K cash.

01:32:53.100 And he probably gave me some fucking new customer.

01:32:55.100 You got a bunch of followers in a, you know, bigger audience, right?

01:32:57.940 The point is, is that point is what's the moral of a story is don't be a hater.

01:33:01.760 Okay.

01:33:02.780 Don't, it doesn't pay to be a hater.

01:33:04.660 I, I had no interest in starting, in starting shit or talking shit.

01:33:08.780 Um, but you know, in that, in that case, you know, that person, he had it coming.

01:33:13.640 Yeah.

01:33:14.440 How much more time you got for me?

01:33:16.020 I got, I'm, I'm chill, bro.

01:33:17.300 I'm chill.

01:33:17.840 I'm, you know, I won't take up more than two hours of your time.

01:33:20.660 Cause we're at the 90 minute marks.

01:33:21.760 Let's do the 20 minutes.

01:33:23.280 Um, man, what else can we cover?

01:33:25.280 I like this conversation is a good one.

01:33:26.800 Um, what is it that, okay.

01:33:29.620 So let me ask you this question.

01:33:30.560 Um, if you could have a dinner with any historical individual, um, less a family member, you know,

01:33:37.240 like your dad or grandfather or something like that.

01:33:38.640 If you could have a scheduled dinner with any historical person, who would you have dinner

01:33:43.280 with?

01:33:43.880 You know what?

01:33:44.500 The person that's coming to mind right now is, is Bruce Lee.

01:33:47.780 You know, uh, it's not like a historical figure, obviously, but I guess he's, uh, he's, uh,

01:33:55.500 he, he's no longer alive, you know, like he's no longer alive.

01:33:59.600 Yeah.

01:34:00.120 Um, yeah.

01:34:00.640 Historical figure.

01:34:01.880 Um, you know, actually hard for me to say, but like, I just remember being very, very fascinated,

01:34:07.300 uh, with Bruce Lee as a teenager.

01:34:10.240 Do you think that Bruce Lee would be impressed with your physique?

01:34:13.700 I would say so.

01:34:15.020 Yeah.

01:34:15.460 Yeah.

01:34:15.740 You know what?

01:34:16.260 I think he'd be, uh, I think he'd be impressed.

01:34:18.760 I think he, he cared a lot about like, like real strength, like strength with body weight.

01:34:23.800 Um, one arm chin ups, one arm pushups and, and being very, very incredibly hard to do,

01:34:29.200 dude.

01:34:29.360 Like I saw you doing one arm chin ups.

01:34:31.260 Like I was still going to the gym before the COVID lockdown.

01:34:34.940 I'm like, fuck, if that Greg guy can do it, I'm going to try it.

01:34:37.040 And I like, I've like, I tried it for a good year.

01:34:39.620 Like I literally tried it on one of those assisted, you know, machines where you put the

01:34:43.680 plates on to help you.

01:34:44.920 Yeah.

01:34:45.240 And you know, I figured, okay, well, if I just, you know, drop a plate like every week or

01:34:48.580 two, then I'll get down to just body weight and just my arm.

01:34:51.100 The only way that I could get close, if I held my forearm like this, and that's how

01:34:54.940 guys cheat, right?

01:34:55.720 Like I've seen guys do it like this.

01:34:57.240 Yeah.

01:34:57.520 It's very hard to do a one arm chin up.

01:34:59.340 You know what?

01:34:59.800 That, that machine won't help you get there.

01:35:04.000 I, I, it didn't, it didn't.

01:35:05.600 Yeah.

01:35:06.160 The, I'm probably too old for that shit.

01:35:07.620 Like I have a lot, like I'm 210 pounds.

01:35:09.780 Like, yeah, I need a lot of power to lift that weight.

01:35:12.280 Yeah.

01:35:12.500 If you're 210, it's, it's gonna, it's gonna be an uphill battle.

01:35:15.720 I don't do them often because it is a joint like golfer's elbow.

01:35:20.860 Nightmare.

01:35:21.860 Um, but the clearest path, and I've had people in my program achieve it, especially

01:35:26.260 my, the body weight track of a movie star, but like the clearest path is get to the point

01:35:31.700 where you're doing weighted chin ups with 75% of your body weight for, you know, three,

01:35:36.380 four reps.

01:35:36.880 So if you're 200 pounds, that's like 150 weighted for a triple for three.

01:35:41.840 And at that point you pretty much have the strength to do it.

01:35:46.260 And then all you have to do is really spend one to two months working on, uh, one arm

01:35:53.500 chin ups, but you put a towel around the, around the bar and you hold it, you hold the

01:35:57.060 towel here and you kind of just do one arm chin ups and you just do two sets of two and

01:36:01.500 you just, you try and use as little of the towel as possible.

01:36:03.820 It's not about doing sets of six or eight, just do two and hold it.

01:36:07.500 And here, and if you do that for a month or two, when you already have that pulling strength,

01:36:12.480 um, you will hit it.

01:36:14.740 But anybody, my age or older hit it, like, you know, the one arm chin up.

01:36:19.360 No on it.

01:36:20.460 And you know what?

01:36:21.060 Honestly, it's, it's, it's one of those things where it's like, it's, it's like, you're

01:36:25.840 probably better off just getting strong on the weighted chin ups, maybe doing some towel

01:36:28.760 stuff.

01:36:29.140 And then if you want to go for one, I'm sure at once, but if you try and, if you're trying

01:36:32.560 to do weekly, like when I'm chin ups, you're, you're going to tear your elbows apart.

01:36:35.580 Um, it's, it's, it's so much stress on the elbow.

01:36:39.460 It's so much.

01:36:40.800 Um, but, but again, the point of the one arm chin up is basically, it's like the most insane

01:36:45.200 display of strength to body weight.

01:36:47.460 The ability to lift your body up with one arm is just like peak, peak strength.

01:36:54.460 You know what, dude?

01:36:55.240 Like I tell guys all the time, you know, when it comes to physical strength, I'm like, if

01:36:58.560 you can get to the point where you can do 10 chin ups, 30 pushups and skip rope for like

01:37:03.220 two minutes straight, you're basically in the top 5% of guys, you know, when it comes

01:37:08.360 to physical capability.

01:37:10.140 Cause a lot of guys can't even do like a couple of chin ups.

01:37:13.640 Yeah.

01:37:14.580 Yeah.

01:37:15.340 No, absolutely.

01:37:16.100 Those are solid, solid, uh, solid metrics.

01:37:19.400 Even, even, yeah, 10, yeah.

01:37:21.400 10, 10 pull-ups, 10, 12 pull-ups is, is, is a solid level of fitness.

01:37:25.980 And, and I like to program more of the, the feet elevated, you can do like 20, 30 pushups

01:37:31.760 with your feet up.

01:37:32.680 Cause it really builds more of that upper chest a bit more.

01:37:36.720 Awesome.

01:37:38.740 Um, talk about fighting.

01:37:40.060 Cause I mean, you've got this, um, you got this thing in your backyard, a, a Bob, I think

01:37:44.080 they're, I don't know if they're coined Bob by the manufacturer, if it's just because

01:37:47.520 you, you called him Bob, like, how did, like, how did it come around that way?

01:37:50.760 Cause now it's known everywhere as Bob from what I've seen.

01:37:52.860 Like people just call it Bob now.

01:37:54.060 Yeah, I don't know.

01:37:55.120 Okay.

01:37:55.320 I think, I think like I, when I was a kid, I think that someone had it and I can show

01:38:00.580 you guys what I'm talking about.

01:38:02.000 Yeah.

01:38:03.080 I, I think it's coined Bob, but I don't know.

01:38:06.560 I, maybe that was sort of like a little known thing.

01:38:08.860 And because I've been calling it Bob now, it's Bob everywhere.

01:38:12.220 I mean, you just beat the shit out of this thing.

01:38:14.680 Is it called a Bob?

01:38:16.760 Um, here, let me share it.

01:38:17.780 It is century Bob body opponent.

01:38:20.280 Is that what it's called?

01:38:21.660 We'll say, I think one of the brand, I don't even know.

01:38:24.060 Maybe that brand changed the name to Bob.

01:38:26.000 I'm not sure that the history.

01:38:27.400 You got two of them.

01:38:28.020 Why did one of them break or?

01:38:30.140 Um, sorry.

01:38:31.440 You got two of them.

01:38:32.280 Did one of them break on you or something?

01:38:33.380 You know what?

01:38:33.900 I've, I've had some of them kind of the screws get degraded over time, but, um, I actually

01:38:38.960 was like, you know what?

01:38:39.860 This, this Bob thing is, is catching on.

01:38:41.800 I, I, what if, what if I punched two Bobs at the same time?

01:38:44.360 It's probably gonna, probably gonna catch on more.

01:38:47.100 How are they, how are they different from heavy bags?

01:38:50.280 Uh, so the different, I've had a heavy bag and I've trained on a heavy bag.

01:38:56.360 Um, I had a friend of mine, mentor of mine, you know, I think when I was 22, 23, uh, he

01:39:04.860 told me, he was like, dude, like get a Bob.

01:39:08.240 And I was like, really?

01:39:08.940 Like this Bob thing.

01:39:09.900 I'm like, those are those things.

01:39:11.300 And I was like karate, like bullshit dojos.

01:39:13.760 And he's like, no, he's like, literally it is one of the best things to train on.

01:39:18.720 Uh, punching the Bob, it will, it will do more for you in a, in a real fight, like with

01:39:24.260 your hands than anything else.

01:39:26.420 And the focus mitts, then the heavy bag.

01:39:29.200 And I, I have noticed that like, if you, if you're punching the Bob, you know, five, five,

01:39:35.200 10 minutes, a few days a week, like at first you're hitting it.

01:39:38.320 And, and, and even like, if you've done boxing training, you hit the heavy bag and stuff,

01:39:42.400 you hit like it, it, you still are fine tuning things.

01:39:46.100 Um, and like a heavy bags right here, you kind of like, whether you hit it here, here, here,

01:39:50.440 it doesn't make too much of a difference.

01:39:52.380 Whereas like when you're hitting the Bob, here's his head, his chin's right here.

01:39:56.000 And so your, your accuracy has to be kind of more laser focused.

01:40:00.520 And if you're kind of moving around, jump in, hitting him, his head's moving back.

01:40:04.660 And you have to, is it molded to have like the same level of like impact is what you

01:40:08.900 would with like somebody's chin, like the skull and the meat and all that sort of thing.

01:40:11.960 Or is it just kind of floppy?

01:40:13.000 If you fucking, if, if, if the temperature is, is like cold and you bring them outside,

01:40:17.300 it, it, it, it feels like hitting, hitting hard rubber.

01:40:20.440 It feels like hitting like a feel.

01:40:22.780 Well, yeah, it, it, if when it, when it was cold and it's hard, it's like, it's pretty

01:40:26.740 unforgiving, but I'd say normally like in the summer, whatever it's warm out, it is, it

01:40:31.340 is, uh, it does have a nice little give.

01:40:34.360 So it's not as hard as hitting, as hitting, uh, hitting someone.

01:40:38.260 But, um, but even, you know, even like if you, if you punch someone and you land correctly,

01:40:43.040 um, it doesn't hurt the hand that much.

01:40:45.480 Like you hear about guys breaking their hands, but like if you hit the right angle at the right

01:40:49.520 time and, and, you know, it, how did you get into boxing?

01:40:53.140 Like, why did you decide to take that up?

01:40:54.820 Yeah.

01:40:55.080 So it's like, I guess, certainly back to the beginning, like I, my initial desire for fitness

01:40:59.780 was more out of being strong and powerful than looking good for chicks.

01:41:03.500 And part of being strong and powerful was knowing how to, how to throw a punch and knowing

01:41:07.480 how, how to fight.

01:41:09.140 And, you know, I think I got into some boxing and martial arts from 14 to 17.

01:41:17.060 Um, and I did some, I did a little boxing.

01:41:21.260 Um, I did, uh, a train with a martial art instructor that was trained in Jeet Kune Do and proficient

01:41:27.620 in like, you know, grappling.

01:41:29.280 And I, uh, and then I did some, I joined a BJJ gym and I kind of trained a train in those

01:41:35.780 kind of three elements and I liked just the idea of, you know, I liked the idea of, of

01:41:40.860 knowing how to fight.

01:41:41.580 I mean, when I was a kid, I, my, my older brother and I got into like conflict, like

01:41:45.140 I got my ass kicked.

01:41:46.120 I didn't like that.

01:41:47.300 So I wanted to, you know, I want to know how to fight.

01:41:48.980 And also like when you're, you know, if, if, uh, when you're, you know, if, uh, you

01:41:54.580 know, if you have to defend yourself, you're fighting and you get beat up, whatever, it's

01:41:57.360 just like, you don't want that.

01:41:58.420 So I always wanted to know how to fight.

01:41:59.860 And I found definitely, I found like in a real life situation, um, the problem with

01:42:08.080 a lot of martial arts, man, is that like, they try and teach you way too many different

01:42:12.760 techniques and moves and fancy stuff.

01:42:15.520 And it's just like, just like when I was in university and like maybe 10 or 15% of the

01:42:19.600 stuff I'm learning is it can, has utility.

01:42:22.540 I found that with a lot of martial arts, it's just like, it's like, I had to kind of stop

01:42:27.120 and just kind of in my head, I was like, what am I doing here?

01:42:29.060 Like if someone fucking, if I'm out and I get attacked never in a gazillion years, am

01:42:34.440 I going to fucking do this thing?

01:42:36.120 And then it's just, it's not going to happen.

01:42:38.180 And so what I, what I kind of gravitated towards is literally, is literally learn how to fuck,

01:42:44.380 learn how to punch, like learn jab, cross, learn footwork, learn how to move, learn how

01:42:49.780 to, where to keep your hands and block, learn some clinch work, elbows and stuff and knees

01:42:56.400 and, and a little bit of wrestling and grappling and get as strong and powerful as possible.

01:43:02.780 And punch Bob, literally punch Bob, because there is a, there is in a real fight situation,

01:43:10.980 it's, it's not going to look like a, it's not going to look like a boxing match.

01:43:14.860 It's not even going to look like an MMA fight where you can kind of pick your punches, jump

01:43:19.080 in, jump out, you know, move around, come in, exchange and get out.

01:43:23.300 A real fight is just, it's like kind of two animals fucking locking heads.

01:43:26.980 It's like, it is, once it's on, it's on.

01:43:29.240 There's no.

01:43:29.720 Have you been in many real fights?

01:43:30.540 I've been in, I've been in at least five.

01:43:33.080 I think there's might've been a sixth one, but I, I've been in a few fights.

01:43:36.520 Most of the time I was drunk and most of the time was at bars and, and it, it, it, it's

01:43:44.200 been pretty exhilarating.

01:43:46.880 And the, the one thing, you know, the one thing I'll, I'll, you know, I'll say is like

01:43:52.060 when a real fight, like once it's on, you don't feel anything.

01:43:55.260 Like I, I, I was at a club, I was at a club in Toronto one night and I, I, I was very drunk

01:44:02.040 and I, I was with this girl that recognized, like this girl that I knew, she saw me and

01:44:06.340 I, and I lifted her up.

01:44:07.280 I spun her around and when I spun her around, I did not realize that her heel hit someone

01:44:10.780 in the face.

01:44:12.080 I had no idea.

01:44:12.980 And so I, I, I, I put her down and all of a sudden this guy was fucking charging at

01:44:16.800 me, fucking grabbing me.

01:44:18.660 And I was like in my, in my head, I'm like, Oh, here we go.

01:44:21.900 And I throw him off and I punch him.

01:44:24.240 And then we both get pulled back.

01:44:27.060 Um, and you know, it's just like a switch went off my head where I'm like, this is like,

01:44:31.260 this is not over.

01:44:32.320 And like people holding back, I throw them off and like, he's coming at me too.

01:44:36.140 Like, and, and so me and him start, start, uh, start.

01:44:40.540 And he had his friends there trying to break it up.

01:44:42.380 And so I throw, I throw my people, my table back and me and him are going at it.

01:44:48.740 But now his friends are going like this friends were just trying to break it up.

01:44:51.900 But when they see us going at it and he's about to go down, then I have like three guys

01:44:55.860 punching me and those three guys in front of me.

01:44:57.780 And I'm, I, and basically point is, is in this story, like there's no fancy moves.

01:45:02.800 It's basically being in the right position and just, just throwing those hands and you're

01:45:08.100 going to get hit.

01:45:08.660 You're not, you're not going to do a street fight, especially if like, you know, it's

01:45:13.180 very, like it's, you're going to get hit.

01:45:15.140 But, um, but, uh, you know, and then, and then basically it, uh, the bouncers came in

01:45:20.420 and, and, uh, it was all good.

01:45:22.220 And I just remember, I remember, uh, I remember, uh, like at one point I was literally had three

01:45:26.600 guys hitting me and I was fucking just right there and I didn't feel anything.

01:45:29.940 I remember, um, feel the next day though.

01:45:32.400 Yeah.

01:45:32.860 So I, and I, I was, uh, I was just like, I was just, I was like, I was like, I was like,

01:45:36.280 I was like, when I left the club, I was like, how the fuck did I not get hit?

01:45:38.720 Like, I was insane.

01:45:39.440 I was like, what the hell did I do?

01:45:41.060 Like I didn't get hit.

01:45:41.880 And then I woke up and I went like this, every bone in my fucking face was hurting.

01:45:47.140 I was like, Oh no, I got, I got a fucking hit.

01:45:49.320 But, but I didn't get like, I didn't take like a, you know, I didn't take one of those

01:45:52.360 like big fucking shots.

01:45:54.280 It was just kind of grazes.

01:45:56.400 Um, but would you recommend the guys to learn how to fight?

01:46:00.980 Absolutely.

01:46:01.300 Yeah.

01:46:01.740 You know what?

01:46:02.060 I think it's, I think it is, it is in life as a man, you know, it's, you are going to

01:46:07.220 have those moments where, where not the moment I just described, that was stupid.

01:46:12.000 Obviously I was, I was, I was drunk and that happened.

01:46:14.320 But, um, and, and, you know, and I didn't, and I didn't know what happened.

01:46:19.040 Like, but basically like someone's charging me, so I'm gonna have to defend myself.

01:46:22.460 Um, but in life as a man, you are going to have those moments where, where, you know,

01:46:27.980 you have to, like, you have to, you have to know deep down that if this escalates and

01:46:34.540 becomes a physical confrontation that you can handle yourself.

01:46:37.300 If you don't have, it's like, it's like going through life playing poker with a fricking

01:46:42.000 two and a two and a seven or whatever.

01:46:44.740 It's like, like, it's like, man, if, if shit hits the fan, you, you got to fucking pop

01:46:49.420 down your two seven.

01:46:51.200 I'd rather go through life with fucking pocket aces where absolutely you do not want physical

01:46:55.400 contact.

01:46:55.940 Oh, you don't, you don't want to fight.

01:46:57.120 You want to avoid fight at all costs.

01:46:58.380 The risk is high.

01:46:59.460 The risk is high is if, you know, if fuck man, you get hit and you, you fall down and

01:47:03.900 you hit your head, you're dead or, or, you know, or their friends come from behind

01:47:07.840 you or you hit them and they're hurt.

01:47:09.160 Or it's, it's the, the, the cost of, of combat is, is very, very high.

01:47:14.020 But again, like if someone's going to attack you, you don't have a choice.

01:47:17.160 And if you have to defend yourself or a loved one, you don't have a choice.

01:47:19.300 So you want to feel confident, you know, you want to feel calm.

01:47:23.800 And I've had that moment, even at a nightclub when I was at a table, I was with a girl and

01:47:28.220 I was, I was sort of into her or whatever.

01:47:29.820 And then, you know, some guy, like when I'm not paying attention, some guy comes behind

01:47:33.120 and starts chatting her up and, uh, and, uh, and I'm like, okay, cool.

01:47:38.160 Like let them have their thing.

01:47:39.280 And then I was just like, I was like, at that point I was like, it was time for him to walk

01:47:42.520 away and go away.

01:47:43.540 And I kind of was, I kind of engaged.

01:47:45.800 I was like, Hey, what's up?

01:47:46.560 You know?

01:47:47.220 And then I was like, is this your girlfriend?

01:47:48.840 I was like, it's not my girlfriend.

01:47:49.660 I'm like, no.

01:47:50.400 And he kind of kept chatting, trying to stay in there.

01:47:52.320 And I was just like, uh, you know, and, and he got, he got a little disrespectful and

01:47:56.540 I was just like, buddy, fuck off.

01:47:59.520 And like, and then he, he waited for five seconds.

01:48:03.220 He looked in my eyes and my eyes said like, I will fucking rip your head off, dude.

01:48:06.720 Like, get the fuck out of here.

01:48:07.940 And then he walked away.

01:48:08.940 But like, if I had no idea how to fight, I was scared about getting in a fight.

01:48:12.380 Like, I probably couldn't say that with fucking conviction.

01:48:15.920 How did, how did she respond to that?

01:48:17.900 Um, you know, position with him?

01:48:21.180 No, the guy was actually good looking.

01:48:22.500 Like he was cool.

01:48:23.060 He probably, he probably gets, gets, gets lots of girls.

01:48:25.640 Um, after, and like, and in those situations that you do feel like your fucking, your heart,

01:48:30.900 your, your, your heart kind of jumps a little bit.

01:48:33.780 Um, but, uh, cause like any, any time there's potentially something's going to escalate,

01:48:38.460 your adrenaline response system's going to kick in.

01:48:40.860 Um, she was so normal and chill.

01:48:43.340 Like after I was like, I was like, I was like, uh, uh, you know, she, I, I asked her, I was

01:48:49.740 like, I was like, that was pretty intense.

01:48:50.880 She was like, yeah, like, I think she was turned on a little bit.

01:48:53.140 I think she was turned on.

01:48:54.340 Definitely.

01:48:54.940 There's a, um, there's a study that I think Google engineers did at one time.

01:48:59.540 And I think, um, you know, it's been quoted a few different places.

01:49:02.360 I also put it in one of the chapters of my book as well, but, um, they found that women's

01:49:06.340 search habits online for stuff that they're attracted to.

01:49:09.660 I think it was tied in a porn, if I'm not mistaken, um, where things around, um, surgeon,

01:49:15.320 billionaire, werewolf, vampire, pirate.

01:49:19.320 I can't remember what the other one was, but basically like, like men that, uh, like

01:49:24.000 speak softly and carry a big stick, right?

01:49:25.900 Like you've got to be dangerous as a guy, but you have to have a level of civility about

01:49:31.420 you, right?

01:49:31.820 Like women want to be with a guy that knows how to fuck up shit basically.

01:49:34.740 So, you know, if shit hits the fan, they want to know that you've got the competency skills.

01:49:38.040 And that's why knowing how to fight and learning hand to hand combat is a useful skill, right?

01:49:43.640 Cause I mean, you know, it's, it's probably going to come into play at some point or another,

01:49:47.840 right?

01:49:48.220 Like you have to, you don't have to do it.

01:49:50.380 I mean, don't do it if you don't want to, I mean, you know, drink your soy and, you

01:49:53.320 know, play video games and do nothing with your life if you want, but I say do it.

01:49:57.280 And you know, the funny thing is that, uh, is that a lot of times the guys that run their

01:50:02.420 mouth and like are disrespectful actually don't know how to fight.

01:50:06.900 Like they overcompensate like guys that usually know how to fight and can handle themselves

01:50:13.000 and, you know, even really big dudes, they don't, yeah, they don't pick fights.

01:50:17.180 They don't, they don't start shit.

01:50:18.120 It's, it's the guys that kind of, that don't know how to fight that will have like, like

01:50:22.220 I've literally had, I've literally, I've literally had a, had a situation where, where

01:50:25.540 I, I had three fucking frat guys trying to like fucking trying to get tough on me.

01:50:31.120 And I fucking made them my bitches like they're like, it's a little, it's a cool story.

01:50:36.920 But basically I got, when I was younger, I got pulled in, I got some, one recognized

01:50:40.540 me, pulled me into this frat party.

01:50:42.020 I was with my friend of mine who looked a lot older than me and these fucking assholes

01:50:47.160 just fucking like, they didn't even just say, Hey, can you leave?

01:50:50.100 They were like fucking pushing him, kicking him.

01:50:51.620 I didn't even know this at the time, but he just texted me, Hey, come outside.

01:50:53.800 And these three guys were fucking frat guys were hopped up and, and I, and they're like,

01:51:00.500 Hey, get the, like, they're like, Oh, that's your friend.

01:51:02.260 Get the fuck, get the fuck out of here.

01:51:03.240 Get the fuck out of here.

01:51:04.280 And I was like, I was like, dude, I don't, I got invited here.

01:51:06.760 I don't even want to be here.

01:51:07.600 I will leave, but ask nicely.

01:51:09.420 And the, the, there's three of them and the two of them got right in my face and I just

01:51:13.400 fucking exploded, hit them just once, once.

01:51:16.620 And then, and then these guys were beating up my friend, literally like kicking him, like attacking

01:51:21.500 him.

01:51:21.760 And, and when I fucking put, hit them once each, just boom, boom.

01:51:26.020 And then the third guy was kind of, he was kind of like kind of more standoffish and back

01:51:29.380 off.

01:51:29.620 So I didn't do anything.

01:51:30.640 And then they, their tune changed from fucking being tough guys.

01:51:33.540 Get the fuck out of here.

01:51:34.300 And they were saying like, they were saying like really offensive slurs, really offensive

01:51:39.560 words.

01:51:41.080 And, and, and their whole tune changed from the fuck out of here.

01:51:43.720 Three of them to man, why'd you hit me, man?

01:51:47.380 Oh my God, you're like fucking bitches.

01:51:51.320 It's like, you know, but again, if you're going to have to defend yourself, you have

01:51:55.540 to know like the right necessary force one, one push, two punches, and they were completely

01:52:02.060 like, they, they back down and you know, hopefully they, they learn their lesson.

01:52:06.660 But like you get in trouble if you, if you, uh, and I told her like, look, like here's

01:52:11.820 my, my real, I, you treat me well.

01:52:13.880 I'll treat you well.

01:52:14.900 They say, Hey, ask me nicely.

01:52:16.160 It's not even that you just didn't ask me nicely.

01:52:18.420 When I said that, you just got right into my face.

01:52:20.580 Like, look, I, I am going to defend myself.

01:52:23.580 And I know that if someone enters my space, gets that close, they could easily, without

01:52:27.900 me having time to react, elbow me, fucking choke me, do anything.

01:52:31.420 So like, if you enter my space, I mean, like they could have a weapon, they could have a

01:52:35.280 shiv, a knife or something like that when they're not close to you.

01:52:37.720 Yeah.

01:52:38.100 They, they, they could have a weapon.

01:52:39.260 They could have a knife.

01:52:39.840 They could, and they already look like they're a little bit like fucking screws loose.

01:52:43.220 And so once they're in my space, I'm going to assume the worst.

01:52:46.220 I'm going to think like, like something's going down.

01:52:48.320 And this is like the problem.

01:52:49.480 A lot of people, they don't have this, this sort of like mentality.

01:52:52.540 Like I see two guys chest bumping each other fighting.

01:52:54.960 It's like, dude, this guy could just elbow you and you're done and stomp on your head and

01:52:58.440 you're dead in a second.

01:52:59.720 So if someone enters my space, I am fucking going to fucking snap.

01:53:03.780 Like I'm fucking just here.

01:53:05.320 And that's what having a Bob is really good for.

01:53:07.800 If you have a Bob, it's like, you can stand right in front of it.

01:53:11.120 Okay.

01:53:11.580 And imagine things are going to heat it and stay calm.

01:53:13.860 And then in a split second, you have to fucking create that fucking rage.

01:53:18.640 And in real combat, what I've noticed is that like, it's, it's not like jab, cross, hook

01:53:24.860 here.

01:53:25.560 It's like, it's just fucking go.

01:53:27.460 Like you, it's all out.

01:53:29.160 I think Paul Vunak, he was like a Jeet Kune Do practitioner, but he, he trained a lot of like

01:53:34.140 the Navy SEALs and he would train them to like, kind of, okay, they're in this like,

01:53:38.440 you know, traditional fighting stance.

01:53:40.300 And then one, and then a split second, they go into like rage mode and they just go insane

01:53:46.100 punches, elbows, knees.

01:53:48.400 And that's what I try and mimic with Bob or I'll, I'll be trained with him.

01:53:51.420 And then the stuff that goes viral is just me like fucking like, you know, just raging

01:53:56.040 on it.

01:53:56.480 Yeah.

01:53:56.860 This guy, but I started out with Krav Maga and then I switched over to boxing.

01:54:00.640 I mean, Krav's a good skill for disarming guns and knives and stuff like that.

01:54:05.120 But I think that boxing is probably a lot more useful in the real world.

01:54:08.680 Yeah.

01:54:09.120 Yeah.

01:54:09.380 I think, yeah.

01:54:10.680 Boxing.

01:54:12.160 Grab these super chats here.

01:54:13.240 Nick looks, Nick looks like he's been in your program.

01:54:15.420 173 pounds, 20% body fat to 144, 11% body fat.

01:54:19.860 That's a pretty good improvement.

01:54:20.920 Yeah.

01:54:21.140 You cut, you cut 9% body fats.

01:54:23.300 To Greg, what's it like being an aesthetic boss since the age of 15?

01:54:26.600 What lessons do you learn having with genetic edge, sorry, having the genetic edge with the

01:54:32.500 discipline over most for so long at this point?

01:54:36.240 What lessons do you have?

01:54:38.120 What lessons do you learn having the genetic edge with the discipline over the most?

01:54:42.740 Do you think that you have a genetic edge over other guys?

01:54:47.040 Let me think about this.

01:54:48.720 Are you genetically gifted?

01:54:50.040 I mean, did you, did you grow muscle very, very quickly, like faster than the average

01:54:53.600 dude?

01:54:53.960 Or did you have to run for it?

01:54:55.160 Yeah, I would say I am genetically gifted for, you know, for strength.

01:55:02.700 I, I'm very few men, even if they train correctly and right, like a small subset of men are going

01:55:10.520 to be able to incline press 275 for five at under 10% body fat.

01:55:16.700 If you like thing, the thing, the thing I'll say though, is that like those guys that look

01:55:21.340 skinny fat or a bit chubby and they think they have bad genetics, but that's when they're

01:55:25.600 doing everything wrong.

01:55:27.220 Genetics don't determine how you look when you're doing everything wrong.

01:55:29.680 It determines how fast you respond when you're doing things right.

01:55:32.840 So I've seen guys that like you would assume I had terrible genetics.

01:55:35.740 They start doing, they start to follow my nutrition training protocol and they make insanely

01:55:40.700 fast results.

01:55:42.260 But, but you know what, as a, as a kid, even in high school, like when you did gym tests

01:55:48.000 and stuff, like obviously I worked very, very hard and I was very into it.

01:55:51.780 And, and, and, but like, I, I, I was always like the top, top of the class in, in gym class

01:55:58.080 in, in chin ups and pushups.

01:56:00.300 Um, I like as a teenager, like I just, I, I wasn't obviously the biggest, but, um, I was,

01:56:06.760 I definitely, definitely destroyed in fitness tests.

01:56:09.520 So I, I definitely genetic wise, I, I am, but you know what's funny is actually I was very,

01:56:15.380 I was more geared towards like, like running.

01:56:17.800 Like I, I did very well at distance running, not as much on sprinting, but I've morphed

01:56:22.820 my body to become more like explosive and powerful.

01:56:25.460 Um, because that's what I, uh, I, I, I focus on.

01:56:28.660 Did you ever follow like any of the old school bodybuilders like Tom Platz?

01:56:32.240 Um, I didn't really follow, like I, I kind of got in.

01:56:37.340 I mean, like Platz was known for like massive legs.

01:56:39.740 He had, he had, he had retarded legs.

01:56:41.520 Like they were, they were out of proportion to his upper body.

01:56:44.120 And one of the things that he used to talk about was doing explosive sprints, like he

01:56:48.260 would do like 50 meter sprints, but like a hundred percent power all the time.

01:56:52.820 Damn.

01:56:53.420 No, Platz was a legend.

01:56:54.620 He's, you know what?

01:56:55.620 I don't think there's a, a, a harder leg workout in the world that are harder work, any workout

01:57:00.440 in the world than, than probably doing a Platz leg workout.

01:57:03.100 Like if you're, if you're doing repping, you know, wow, he probably was doing 500 pounds

01:57:08.240 for 20, 30 reps of squats.

01:57:09.660 So it's, it's, it's, it's pure torture, but, uh, you know, I, I'd followed some Vince

01:57:15.440 Gronda stuff and, and some of those guys.

01:57:17.740 Um, but, uh, no one, no one really, you know, I, I was, you know, I was actually really into

01:57:23.860 this guy named Ross enemy, who, uh, who's a strength and conditioning coach for fighters.

01:57:28.360 And he's in like insane shape is, is in like literally insane shape, um, with strength

01:57:34.920 and, and stuff.

01:57:35.780 So, so, uh, yeah.

01:57:38.140 Got it.

01:57:39.320 All right.

01:57:39.560 Well, let's, um, let's say goodbye to everybody.

01:57:41.920 Um, where should people find you if they want to get more of your information stuff,

01:57:46.980 programs, stuff, all that.

01:57:48.440 I'd say, uh, the best place to connect with me is going to be on Instagram and that's at

01:57:53.880 Grego Gallagher.

01:57:55.000 My name, uh, Greg, O G A L L A H H E R.

01:57:58.800 Um, and then as well, my website, Tino body.com.

01:58:03.660 Um, those are the two places to check out, but I'm most active and engaged on, on Instagram

01:58:09.940 and you can find all my, all my stuff there.

01:58:12.720 And I got my programs and supplements and the clothing.

01:58:16.580 Cool.

01:58:17.360 All right, brother.

01:58:18.040 Thanks for, uh, joining me today.

01:58:19.640 Don't go anywhere.

01:58:20.120 I want to talk to you after the show.

01:58:21.100 Uh, guys hit the like button and, uh, we'll see you in the next show.

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