Playing to Win - 052 - Retired Navy Seal @Rich Graham

00:00:00.000 All right, guys, what is up? We're back for the 50-second installment for the Playing

00:00:05.820 the Win series. I'm joined today with retired Navy SEAL, Rich Graham from Full Spectrum

00:00:11.980 Warrior. How's it going, bro?

00:00:13.680 It's going awesome, man. Thank you for having me.

00:00:15.780 Yeah. Let's do, I mean, like we were chopping it up for about 15 minutes here before we

00:00:20.540 started, and I kind of want to do a little bit of an intro because I like to really get

00:00:24.300 in with, you know, dudes that I'm super familiar with. There's always somebody that says, hey,

00:00:28.500 you know, bringing so-and-so and so-and-so, but it's like there's so many guys out there

00:00:32.020 that I know that I'd like to introduce my audience to that I think have a lot of interesting

00:00:36.420 things to say, and because the playlist is built under the notion of playing to win rather

00:00:41.400 than playing not to lose, which is how most people live life in society today, I thought

00:00:45.800 Rich would be a great guy to have on for conversation. So we should be able to do this in about 60

00:00:50.560 to 90 minutes. We got lots of great, you know, points to talk about today. Before we get started,

00:00:56.700 let me just grab the link here to the YouTube channel. So if you're watching this somewhere

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00:01:08.340 or Facebook or Twitch or whatever, and just join us over on YouTube. It helps me out with

00:01:12.440 the algorithms and hit the like button when you come on over and join us. So a little bit

00:01:17.880 of a backstory. I met Rich and I posted this on my Instagram a few days ago before I created

00:01:23.040 the event, but I met him kind of by accident. Um, I was heading down to Florida and I just

00:01:29.420 mentioned, you know, maybe randomly on, on social media somewhere where I was going and

00:01:33.740 that I get this DM from a random guy named Trevor and he says, Hey man, um, you know,

00:01:39.020 you're going to be down in the area. Why don't you come over to my buddy's ranch? He's a retired

00:01:43.580 Navy SEAL. We'll send some lead down range. Uh, you know, we'd love to meet you. You know,

00:01:48.400 we've seen your material. Um, I think there was some trauma or chaos going in somebody's

00:01:53.700 lives somewhere around women or something, of course. And, you know, long story short,

00:01:57.400 you know, I, I just came down and I was like, you know, these total strangers, a lot of guns

00:02:01.100 and bad-ass dogs that could probably murder you real quick with the nicest guys, you know,

00:02:04.340 I've ever met. And it's like, you know, um, shot a bunch of guns, went down to this range.

00:02:09.020 Like you've got what, it's about a thousand yards or a thousand meters. It's a big range for

00:02:12.900 like the longest shot we currently have. We're working on making it longer, but currently it's

00:02:17.080 850 yards. 800. Yeah. And that's a lot harder to like, you know, you see these guys doing it in

00:02:23.400 the movies and it's like, and you see all these snipers just, you know, I was not good at it.

00:02:28.800 Like, I'll be honest with you. It's a lot harder than it looks like, like even just holding the

00:02:32.640 trigger and like pulling it nice and soft and getting your heart, you know, your heart rate

00:02:36.400 down. So you're breathing smooth. It's, it's, it's very, very difficult. So hat tip to these guys that

00:02:41.240 are like doing massive, uh, you know, target hits beyond, you know, a thousand meters. I think

00:02:46.820 the longest sniper hit was either a British or a Canadian sniper. It was well over like

00:02:51.260 1.5 kilometers. Was it? Yeah. I think they've actually got it up to like over a mile over

00:02:58.140 a mile. Yeah. It's nuts. A kill over a mile is pretty significant. And you were a, um, a

00:03:04.380 scout sniper in the, um, Navy SEALs, were you? Yep. Can you, can you talk a little bit about

00:03:11.300 that? Like how you got into, like, why did you decide to say like, you know, just one day,

00:03:15.100 you know, I want to become a Navy SEAL and be, be that guy. Like, where was that coming

00:03:18.700 from?

00:03:19.900 It's pretty much, it just happened. Like you said, it was just like one day, it just

00:03:23.780 hit me. I actually had, um, scholarships, uh, lined up. I had three universities that,

00:03:30.420 that I was looking at and I had some scholarships lined up for architecture and industrial design.

00:03:35.920 My dad's an architect and I was going to follow his footsteps and go to university and become

00:03:39.840 an architect. Um, and then surprisingly enough, you know, cause I know you do a lot of stuff with

00:03:47.040 talking about, uh, men's relationships and women and all that. I had a girlfriend who cheated on me

00:03:52.980 and part of the selection of the schools was in relation to me dating this girl. And she didn't

00:04:01.320 want me to be too far away. Cause I want, I lived in New Jersey and I was looking, cause I was into

00:04:05.520 racing BMX bikes and mountain bikes and stuff. I was looking at schools in like Colorado and Texas

00:04:10.720 and, um, and then that changed because of this relationship I had. And then I started looking at

00:04:17.120 like Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, states that I really didn't want to be in.

00:04:22.820 And then she cheated on me and I'm like, Holy shit. Like I was about to choose the school that I was

00:04:29.260 going to go to based on this relationship. That was a temporary thing. Like what the hell was I

00:04:34.760 thinking? Like that was a close call. And then it just kind of dawned on me, like, you know what?

00:04:40.300 Going to the, uh, guidance counselor and all that stuff in high school was, it was like, Hey dude,

00:04:48.280 what are you good at? Oh, you're good at math and you're good at art. Your dad's an architect.

00:04:51.600 Why don't you be an architect? Okay. I guess. I mean, I'm 16, 17. I don't know what the hell I want

00:04:55.660 to do. So I realized I was making all these big, big decisions in my life based on other people

00:05:01.340 embedding their suggestions into me, not me making my own choice. And I remember I was just sitting

00:05:06.760 at the inlet, uh, at this beach town that I grew up at. And I was watching the, the, the waves come

00:05:12.840 in and crashing on the inlet. And I was just looking at the dark water. It was nighttime. And I was like,

00:05:18.720 I remember hearing about these Navy SEAL commando guys that do like these crazy operations and they

00:05:24.700 could just be swimming around, like swimming through this inlet right now in front of me. And no,

00:05:28.600 I wouldn't have no idea. And, uh, and, uh, at the time it was prior, it was prior to September 11th.

00:05:36.720 And I was like, and I heard that they were doing crazy missions down in central and South America,

00:05:40.920 fighting the drug war. I was like, you know what? That's, that's what I want to do. Uh, who,

00:05:45.800 who are these guys and how do I do that? I don't feel like going to school. I don't feel like sitting

00:05:49.320 in a classroom. You know, at the time I was a big into Thai boxing. I was like, I love fighting

00:05:54.640 and I'm tired of just making decisions on everyone else, embedding their thoughts into me. I'm going

00:06:00.340 to do what I want to do. And the last minute, like literally I had the, the three universities

00:06:04.820 forms on the desk and we were trying to figure out which university was the one I was going to

00:06:08.780 take the scholarship for. And, um, I just came and told my parents, I was like, I'm going to join the

00:06:13.100 Navy and try out for this, this thing called the SEAL teams. They thought I was kidding. They're

00:06:17.280 like, what? It was a joke. Like they laughed at you. Yeah. They thought I was joking. Cause I have

00:06:21.700 like a sarcastic deadpan kind of humor. So like, I shut up to sign one of the contracts,

00:06:25.940 which one you want to do? Yeah. Like, no, seriously. And, um, and that's kind of like

00:06:30.680 what took that. And that was literally my S my senior year of high school. So right after

00:06:37.180 that, I started training for about six months and then left for, for the Navy and started

00:06:42.120 that whole process. Can you talk about the, um, I think it's called buds training, right?

00:06:46.220 Yeah. Can you talk about the, like the selection process? Like if there's a hundred applicants,

00:06:50.740 how many people generally get through and become, you know, like a Navy SEAL?

00:06:55.420 Well, there's for one SEAL class, there's probably thousands of people who want to get into the

00:07:01.480 pipeline. If not more, by the time you graduate, there's probably about 20 dudes left of the

00:07:06.080 original class. Um, so like in my class, you had all these guys in bootcamp, like Navy bootcamp

00:07:14.220 who failed out of the program before you even get to go to SEAL training. When you get the

00:07:19.120 SEAL training, we had about 480 guys, um, 450 guys. And you did this initial five week

00:07:28.120 introduction to SEAL training. And it's like, all right, guys, we're going to teach you how

00:07:32.240 to pick up the log. We're going to teach you how to run with the boat and all that kind

00:07:35.620 of stuff. So when we get into the actual SEAL training, we can keep the intensity up

00:07:40.920 because we're not having to teach you how to do all this stuff. You already know how to

00:07:44.040 do it. Well, in that first five weeks, you lose over half the people. Uh, and they start

00:07:51.020 every morning off with the, um, cold water inoculation. In week one, you sit down in the

00:07:57.060 ocean in San Diego. It's like four or five in the morning. The sun hasn't come up yet.

00:08:01.900 And you walk out into the water, you lay neck deep in the water. And the water is probably

00:08:06.480 in the low sixties, upper fifties. And you do five minutes week two is 10 minutes week

00:08:12.840 three, 15, all the way up to week five is 25 minutes. And by the time you get out of

00:08:16.920 that, you're like in hypothermia for the most part, you know, and most of the guys, great

00:08:22.840 athletes, all this kind of stuff. It's amazing how fast being cold cuts people out of the mix.

00:08:30.560 And the funny thing with it is all you have to do is sit there. It's all it is, is mental.

00:08:34.160 You know what I mean? You just have to be comfortable being uncomfortable. So you basically

00:08:39.720 cut the class in half there. And then you actually start seal training, which buds is six months.

00:08:45.760 And normally you start with a class that might be around, uh, 180 guys. And by the time you

00:08:52.160 finished, there's about 20 dudes left. And then after buds, you then go to seal qualification

00:08:58.000 training. And then that's like, Hey, okay, you're not an idiot. You're a team player and you're

00:09:03.700 tough. Now we're actually going to teach you how to be a seal. And that training seal qualification

00:09:08.660 training is about another four to eight months long. And then you show up to the seal team

00:09:14.040 and then usually start a year to a year and a half training at the seal team before you actually

00:09:18.840 deploy for the first time. So you basically train before your first deployment, you basically

00:09:23.140 train for two and a half years straight, and then you deploy.

00:09:27.140 Let me ask you this question. A lot of the times they say that, um, you get hired for your resume,

00:09:32.380 but you get fired because of fit. Are there, are there guys that, that are in the 20 that actually

00:09:38.520 go through the, um, training itself to become a certified Navy seal that get terminated because

00:09:45.160 of fit? Like they're not a team player or there's problems.

00:09:48.200 Yeah. Yeah. And there's guys who quit once they get to the seal team. It's still, you can still

00:09:52.660 quit at the seal team. I had my first, uh, deployment rotation. We had two guys quit

00:09:58.840 from my platoon. Um, because they were like the one dude just couldn't adapt to the culture. And

00:10:07.280 the other guy, uh, he was just like having family stuff going on. And he thought the tempo would slow

00:10:15.420 down once he got to the team. And he's like, I, you know, I thought the tempo was only going to be

00:10:19.760 this intense because we were in training. And now that we're actually at the team and the tempo

00:10:22.900 was actually more, you know, we were on the road training when we weren't deployed 300 plus days

00:10:29.820 out of the year. So it was nonstop all the time. And, um, so those guys are like, dude, this isn't

00:10:35.160 for me. And then there's other guys who it's like, they did all on paper, they did everything good.

00:10:40.260 And, and in the schooling, they did everything good. But then once you start getting to like the

00:10:45.220 big boy kind of things, um, their decision-making was just bad. Um, and it was a safety issue. So

00:10:52.300 those guys who would just get, you know, taken out, but really, honestly, the, the guys who get

00:10:56.660 taken out at the team level, the most is usually like alcohol related. It's usually just making

00:11:01.600 dumb decisions, going out, getting a DUI, doing it again, getting drunk, getting in a bar fight.

00:11:07.760 And they're like, dude, you can't, if we can't trust you to hold your alcohol, like you can't

00:11:12.120 maintain a security clearance. You know, you get those kinds of things going on, you lose your

00:11:16.080 security clearance. If you don't have a security clearance, you can't stay at the team. So there's

00:11:20.080 a lot of dudes who kind of self implode that way. Um, through, uh, decompressing stress in,

00:11:28.000 in, um, unprofessional ways or, or on, uh, ways that just that don't work out, you know what I mean?

00:11:37.020 And they get, they get removed from the team for, for those reasons. That's, that's more so

00:11:41.320 the case though. And, um, how did all that change you?

00:11:48.140 Um, well, I mean, a lot of things change in a lot of different ways. Um, one thing that I think was

00:11:54.840 for me personally, one of the most important parts, and I think a lot of men are missing this

00:12:00.780 is going through the portion of SEAL training called Hell Week. And I'm, if you're not familiar

00:12:08.460 with it, it's basically six days, nonstop training. You don't get to sleep. You're going 24 hours a day

00:12:17.540 for literally six days. And this is our crucible. This is, are you tough enough? Do you have the

00:12:27.060 tenacity and the mental fortitude to keep going when everything else says stop? And that's like

00:12:35.300 the, the change of, do you belong in this community? Now you can still be an idiot and get kicked out of

00:12:40.620 the community. There's still other things you can do. That doesn't mean like you're, you're the best

00:12:44.520 Navy SEAL yet. This is just one of the main like, uh, crucible tests to see if you're, if you're fit

00:12:52.660 to be in the community from, uh, from like a warrior's standpoint kind of thing. And that

00:13:01.460 crucible that everybody has to go through is what goes, okay, you've shown us that you have what it

00:13:10.840 takes to belong here. Now you obviously have to perform following that, but coming through Hell Week

00:13:17.720 as a young man, you go, holy shit. I'm like, I can do anything. You know what I mean? Like I can do

00:13:27.740 whatever I put my mind to because physically there's no possible way you should be able to do that.

00:13:35.520 But mentally we have completed it. And I think there's a, um, and for, so for me coming out of

00:13:42.940 that, the confidence in myself, the confidence to be able to look at my, the, the people that I,

00:13:49.140 that I work with and know that I belong here, you know what I mean? And I've proven it is a huge

00:13:55.840 thing for a young man. And I did that for me. I was 19 years old when I went to Hell Week. And

00:14:04.840 what I think a lot of young men are missing today is this, you go to high school, high school's not

00:14:12.500 good enough. You got to go to college. Well, college isn't good enough anymore. Now you have

00:14:17.100 to get a master's degree or a doctorate or something like that. And now here you are,

00:14:21.620 you're still in a school setting, right? In your late twenties, early thirties. And all you have to

00:14:27.940 show for it, right? Is a huge amount of debt. So financially you don't feel strong. And now you

00:14:35.520 walk into the workforce and there's people who are being like, Oh, you're too overqualified. I

00:14:39.820 can't afford to pay you. And a lot of these people wind up going into a field that they didn't get a

00:14:43.840 degree in. And now they try to meet a woman, start a family, but they're still living at their

00:14:47.840 parents' house because they have so much debt and all this kind of stuff. And they never actually had

00:14:53.080 that crucible. And here they are where they're like 30 years old and they've never actually gotten

00:14:57.800 to prove to themselves that they're a man. And it's hard to feel like a man when you're living

00:15:03.840 in your parents' home, when you're in tons of debt and you don't have the job that you thought

00:15:08.060 you were going to get. And now you're in this state of confusion and you don't believe in yourself.

00:15:13.240 You don't believe in what you've been through. So for me personally, I think having the opportunity

00:15:19.260 to be challenged in that way and to be able to earn my own respect and to earn the respect of

00:15:27.560 people that I looked up to through having an opportunity to go through some type of crucible,

00:15:32.700 I think was a huge stepping stone for me as a growth from a teenager into a man, if that makes

00:15:39.860 sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I was actually talking to a friend about this the other

00:15:44.000 day because we were, I don't know what we were commenting on that started, but we were basically

00:15:48.480 talking about why society is so weak today and potential solutions to that. And one of the things

00:15:55.160 that came up was mandatory military service for men. There's a lot of countries that still have

00:16:00.900 it. And it was around the same time I was watching this documentary on why Hitler never invaded

00:16:06.120 Switzerland. And it's really, it's really interesting because Switzerland is kind of like one of those

00:16:10.460 strange countries. Like I have an aunt that lives there and it's, everybody has to go through

00:16:15.320 military service. And when they're done, they keep their, they keep their camo, they keep their

00:16:20.360 weapons, they keep everything. So if anything ever happens, apparently in the future, you know,

00:16:24.140 they can be called upon, you know, to serve or, you know, they can serve on their own if need be.

00:16:28.100 They apparently also wired every access point into the country through the mountains, which was

00:16:34.700 mostly by rail or by road over passages with a bomb. So they could just blow it up if they were ever

00:16:41.020 invaded just to stop the access. So I found that really, really interesting. Do you think that

00:16:47.860 mandatory military service for citizens is a good idea would solve a lot of the softness?

00:16:56.720 Possibly, but not based on current military standards. The military is just getting totally

00:17:02.360 woke and weak. I have a few buddies who are drill instructors now in the army and the stuff they're

00:17:11.360 telling me is like, if I, for example, here I am a drill instructor. I'm not allowed to yell at you

00:17:17.320 anymore. I can't make you do pushups. You can't touch anybody. Um, if I said, Hey guys, get over

00:17:25.540 here. And there would happen to be one woman in that, or a guy who identified as a woman in that

00:17:31.680 group, I could get reprimanded and even get kicked out as a drill instructor, get demoted in pay, get

00:17:38.360 kicked out of the military because I miss, I miss gendered or mischaracterized the people within that

00:17:45.000 group. So the, the military right now is, um, it's like a testing ground for the new woke,

00:17:53.700 uh, you know, stuff. They're more, they're more focused on that than war fighting. So currently

00:18:02.020 I don't have much faith. Um, in that, that is, that would make a huge change,

00:18:10.000 but traditionally speaking, I think, I think it would, one of the things that was big for me to

00:18:15.960 in, um, in my military service was I was a total, you know, idiot high school kid. You know, my,

00:18:27.040 my growing up in high school was basically like, you know, the show jackass, you know,

00:18:33.080 we were always doing dumb stuff. Our bodies were crash test dummies, doing all sorts of crazy BMX

00:18:38.400 stunts and all this stuff. And, um, and I came into the military, not because I was patriotic,

00:18:45.500 you know, this is just my story. This isn't for most guys, but it had nothing to do with being

00:18:50.020 patriotic. I wanted to go fight the drug cartels in central and South America again, pre nine 11.

00:18:55.560 And once I actually went through bootcamp and went through the seal training, all this stuff,

00:19:03.100 it made me grow up to an extent very quickly. And now I was actually like, I felt like I was part of

00:19:11.340 the team and it's funny. I say team America and then they have a movie, which is a really funny

00:19:16.300 movie, but like, but like you're part of like, Holy crap. Like I am an American and this is the team

00:19:24.080 that I'm, that I'm on. You know what I mean? So it, it became like, uh, I don't know. It just

00:19:33.180 instilled a sort of patriotism that wasn't there that I just kind of took for granted because I was

00:19:39.480 just a stupid high school kid. And now it's like, Whoa, this is real. And then nine 11 happened. USS

00:19:45.040 cold tack happened. We went to war and it was like, okay, this is the team we're fighting for. And I'm on

00:19:50.080 the team. And this is a, this is a very important team and we need to protect this team. You know what

00:19:56.140 I mean? And through that, um, there was a lot, there was some maturing that happened, but also

00:20:02.560 it instilled a form of patriotism that wasn't there as just some knucklehead punk rock BMX kid,

00:20:09.560 you know, from high school. Yeah. It's really interesting that you say that. Cause I've,

00:20:13.660 cause I've heard this, um, I've heard this soundbite many times before. Like I've talked to

00:20:18.200 a few military guys on my channel. I'm just trying to think off the top of my head. Like

00:20:21.920 in the last month or two, I was having a conversation with a retired RAF tornado pilot,

00:20:26.880 which is an attack, uh, plane. And you know, he served in quite a few different theaters and he

00:20:31.280 was saying the same thing. The Royal air force has gone full, full of woke. They have diversity,

00:20:35.620 inclusivity training. Now. Um, a lot of the stuff that you mentioned was echoed. I've got an eight

00:20:40.720 10 pilot coming on in January once he's retired. Um, so I'm interested in hearing his story too,

00:20:46.420 but like, do you think, I mean, how, how can I phrase like, do you think China and Russia are

00:20:53.600 laughing at us with the way that we're running, you know, the country and the military more

00:20:57.800 specifically? Yeah. And unfortunately I think, I think what we're doing here might be in cahoots

00:21:10.500 with China. Like I, I don't even know if, if it's not, if they're not one in the same, if we're not

00:21:17.260 working together. I mean, if you look at all the major corporations in America that, that are

00:21:21.760 pushing all this stuff, they're, they're tied deeply in with, with China. I mean, Apple has all

00:21:30.340 their manufacturing there. They just signed a 200 and what was it? $65 billion contract with China.

00:21:37.260 Okay. So who are they really going to side with? Like these companies have so much sway and power.

00:21:45.500 If you look at like Amazon, how much stuff that comes through Amazon is made in China. All of Apple

00:21:50.800 stuff is made in China. Disney is, you know, huge made in China, all the sports teams, all their

00:21:56.700 equipment's made in China. So all these people are controlling culture here in the United States.

00:22:00.480 They all have ties to China and they want China not to change because that's how they get their cheap

00:22:07.480 labor. Right. But all these people that they claim to be American companies, but they don't put America

00:22:13.400 first. They're global companies. So they don't really care what happens with America. They're more

00:22:19.220 looking at it as a global, uh, and this is just my take on it. Right. But I would imagine that they

00:22:25.200 look at more of a global impact versus America and you know, America, you guys should just kind of get

00:22:30.120 on track with things. Everyone else is doing it this way. You guys are the only ones who are holding

00:22:34.780 on like, and ultimately I think what they're going to try to do is get us to go to where we have that

00:22:42.980 social credit score using the COVID passport as an excuse to implement the COVID, uh, or the,

00:22:49.820 the, um, social credit score that they have in China. And that's been there for like 20, almost 20

00:22:56.300 years now. And it's a very, very, very dangerous. And, um, and it's one of those things, once you get

00:23:04.820 tied into something like that, there's no getting out of it through votes or peaceful means. So it's

00:23:11.420 like we're walking ourselves into a trap and with, uh, you know, I don't, I hate saying that. I think

00:23:19.760 that we're in cahoots, but you can't, when you look at what just happened in Afghanistan, you go here,

00:23:25.260 we've spent years, 20 years, trillions and trillions of dollars in Afghanistan, all of our latest and

00:23:35.440 greatest technology that we had there. We just walked out and left it in the hands of the people

00:23:43.020 we were just fighting. And as soon as we walk out, China steps in one week later, one week later,

00:23:50.600 China steps in, makes a contract with the Taliban and now has the mineral rights to go and start

00:23:57.240 mining for all of the batteries and these precious metals for the microchips that we're waiting for,

00:24:02.700 for our cars. And then also for all these battery cells, as all the governments try to force us

00:24:08.820 into doing, uh, going all electric and our vehicles and all that stuff. It just happens to be that

00:24:14.880 we walk out and we leave them aren't like an entire military arsenal. And then we allow China to walk in

00:24:21.940 and take the mineral rights, um, as they're doing in other places like Africa and South America. And you go,

00:24:29.520 how could you be that naive? How could you be that dumb? And the thing is, is I don't think they are

00:24:37.400 like, how could you, how could you run a country? And it's not like Joe Biden. It's like, Oh dude,

00:24:43.320 I've never been president before. I'm new at this. He was the vice president for eight years,

00:24:47.960 just a few years ago. So it's not like he doesn't know he was already managing Afghanistan

00:24:53.960 and all that stuff as the vice president. So it's very hard for me to look at this and go,

00:24:58.460 it's, it's coincidental, you know? So for me personally, like, I think when I look at how

00:25:05.680 all of the countries are complying to the WHO and the CDC and everyone's on the same game plan,

00:25:12.220 to me, it seems like there's a lot of networks and a lot of people working together.

00:25:16.140 And this is all something that's done by design versus it just being, um, you know, a couple

00:25:22.980 bad leaders, you know, making a couple of bad decisions. Um, yeah, that's absorb right there.

00:25:30.140 Yeah. Like that's a rant, you know, in itself, but it's like, they spent so much money, which they

00:25:36.520 just printed out of thin air. A lot of people gave their lives to all that bullshit. Like even,

00:25:41.620 even Canadian, uh, you know, personnel, there was, there was years, like not even like months or so,

00:25:47.600 but there was like years, maybe even a decade or so where a lot of Canadian, um, military men

00:25:53.620 that I don't know what, what branches they served in, you know, specifically, but it got so bad that

00:25:58.260 so many guys were dying, um, over there that they, when they flew them in from Germany over to Trenton,

00:26:06.120 which is out in Kingston, they would, they would have to drive the bodies across highway 401 over here,

00:26:11.240 which is, which was renamed the highway of heroes. So to sort of like give tribute to all the guys

00:26:17.420 that like gave their lives for essentially nothing, they just slap a label on it to make it, you know,

00:26:22.680 seem nice and, and pretty, you know, like it's a pig, right? Like you can put lipstick and makeup

00:26:27.220 on a pig. It's still a pig. And that's really what they did by naming that highway, the high highway

00:26:31.380 of heroes. And there was, there was a little bit of, you know, like lip service given where there was

00:26:35.220 servicemen that would like be on the bridges and stuff when the convoy would go under the bridges

00:26:39.000 and sort of stuff, but it's really sad, man. I mean, like, you know, if you ever feel like

00:26:42.940 you're not doing anything with your life, just remember the governments of the world spent 20

00:26:48.600 years, trillions of dollars, killed a whole bunch of people to replace the Taliban with

00:26:53.200 the Taliban. Like that, the global elites did. Well, I think what they did too, is I don't even

00:26:58.340 think, I think they replaced the Taliban with the Taliban, but I think in, in the bigger picture

00:27:04.680 of what they did was they said, here, China, you can have the rights to all these minerals.

00:27:14.360 That's really what they did. They handed it. Anything of any value, they handed it to the

00:27:17.460 Chinese. Yeah. They handed it to the Chinese. The Taliban are the, like the money launderers.

00:27:23.780 You know what I mean? They're, they're the washing machine in the, you know, the money washing.

00:27:29.020 Yes. That's an interesting way to say it. Um, wow. That's deep shit, man. So, um, can you share

00:27:38.040 any stories about your time, you know, with the Navy SEALs? It sounded like you've, you dealt mostly

00:27:41.700 in Latin America with the drug lords. Like, like, let me ask you this question. So I'm, I'm more of

00:27:47.040 the opinion of like a libertarian. Like if somebody wants to go and do something to their body, as long

00:27:52.100 as they're not hurting anybody else, I don't really care. Like, I think the amount of money that they spend

00:27:56.340 on fighting drug wars and enforcing drug laws, it's like, as long as it's not something that's

00:28:01.380 a, like a stupid drug, but to fight a drug war on something like marijuana, like they did for years,

00:28:06.380 like it's totally illegal in Canada. There's a lot of States in the U S now where it's totally legal.

00:28:10.420 And it seemed like a waste of time, money and resources. Like what's your view on drug wars

00:28:15.280 today now that you spent time fighting them? Um, so I'm kind of with you on the same point of like

00:28:22.500 more of like a libertarian approach to where if you want to do drugs, I don't care. And I think

00:28:27.900 the same thing with like the drug crime going into, um, like hate crimes, like this new hate speech

00:28:36.300 and hate crimes and all this stuff. I think it's kind of like a bullshit term. It's like a boogeyman

00:28:41.260 that they need to find, isn't it? Yeah. Well, it's like, if I stab you, whether I stabbed you because

00:28:46.220 I didn't like your race or I stabbed you because I wanted drug money or your watch, like stabbing you

00:28:52.060 is illegal, regardless of what my intent was or my reasoning, unless I was in self-defense,

00:28:58.020 I'm not allowed to stab you. Whatever my, the purpose of me stabbing you is kind of like, okay,

00:29:02.780 we're, we're nitpicking things now. You know what I mean? And that's like when they do the thing

00:29:07.480 where like certain knife lengths have to be legal or it's an assault knife versus a regular knife.

00:29:11.980 It's like, well, what does that matter? If I stab you, it's illegal. I can stab you with a pitchfork,

00:29:18.200 a knife, a piece of rebar. Rebar is not illegal. You could stab someone with a

00:29:22.020 piece of rebar. You know what I mean? It doesn't, it doesn't matter. It's more of

00:29:25.560 people get stabbed in jail with sharpened toothbrushes.

00:29:28.260 Yeah. So like, okay, are we going to ban toothbrushes? You know what I mean? So,

00:29:31.720 so what was the action that I did and that, that made that an issue? Um,

00:29:39.980 so I'm not from, from a libertarian standpoint, it's like, I really don't care what you want to do,

00:29:45.740 but when you cross that line to where you make decisions now that, that, that, um,

00:29:51.980 you know, start jeopardizing the safety and the rights of other people. Well, now,

00:29:57.620 now you've committed that crime. Um, the, a lot of this stuff that's tricky, man,

00:30:06.020 because there's so much like the deeper you get into it, the more you realize how political

00:30:10.100 everything is, you know what I mean? Um, like for example, one of the guys who I work with now,

00:30:17.240 he actually owned a weapons manufacturing company, totally legit company years ago. And,

00:30:25.080 uh, people came in, did a total legit purchase, right? They bought like a couple thousand guns for

00:30:34.100 like a government contract. And those guns went into the hands of the ATF and went into the fast

00:30:43.340 and furious thing. And these guns got put onto the black market and sent into Mexico and Central

00:30:49.220 America. One of those guns then later on turned up coming back across the border and was used in the

00:30:56.500 murder of a border patrol agent. My friend then got on the hook for selling guns to the cartels.

00:31:02.440 And he was sitting in front of Congress arguing that he didn't do anything wrong, that, that the

00:31:09.060 purchase of the weapons, he didn't know what they were going to do with them. Right. But so for

00:31:13.360 example, like here's thousands of guns, this is during the Obama years, they, they purchased thousands

00:31:20.540 of, of weapons, sent them across the border. And then they came and told the American people that

00:31:26.900 they wanted to, to, uh, put bands on weapons because gun shops were being too loose in the way

00:31:34.880 they were handling their, their weapons and, and people at gun shows were selling weapons and they

00:31:41.200 were getting put across the border and they were causing crime in Central America. And Mexico was out

00:31:47.200 there preaching like, Hey America, you guys need to ban your guns. This is bullshit. We have American

00:31:51.760 guns showing up all over the place. And it turns out it was our own federal government that was

00:31:55.740 sending all these weapons into there. And then basically, um, gaslighting the American people

00:32:02.120 saying it was our fault that our, us holding onto our second amendment rights was jeopardizing

00:32:08.700 the Mexican community and was empowering the drug cartels and these criminal organizations when it

00:32:14.440 was them who were doing it. So what happened to his business? Yeah. So, and then the whole,

00:32:19.200 the whole fast and furious scandal came up and we subpoenaed, uh, Eric Holder, who was the attorney

00:32:27.520 general at the time. And he, and he just said, I'm not showing up and nothing happened. No one held

00:32:34.020 him accountable. No one ever got held accountable. Um, it was one of like the big scandals of, of,

00:32:39.460 of that time and nothing happened. And what was the cost of your friend's business? Like,

00:32:44.380 is it still around? Did it, did it ruin him or, uh, yeah, he sold that company and he's like, um,

00:32:50.180 he sold that company and, um, I'm not sure what's happening with the company now under the new

00:32:55.060 ownership, but he was in the hot seat. Like they, they had him sitting in front of Congress.

00:32:58.900 So the, the thing with that is like, there's so much, the deeper you get into it, the more you

00:33:06.640 realize there's a whole bunch of politics going on and it's a much bigger animal, um, than it is,

00:33:13.100 but it would be much more simplistic if it was just, Hey dude, if you want to do dumb shit,

00:33:19.220 as soon as you cross that line and start affecting other people, you're going to get hammered.

00:33:24.380 You know what I mean? If you want to sit in your own house and be an idiot, then that's up to you.

00:33:29.780 Um, and I think it would take a lot of the power away from the cartels. Cause part of what gives the

00:33:34.520 cartels the power is the fact that all these stuff is illegal and it's done on the black market.

00:33:39.340 Yeah. And it's not like that, like the war on drugs stopped anything. It's, it's still around.

00:33:43.760 There's still cartels. There's still a lot of black market money that moves, um, lots from what I

00:33:48.800 understand. Um, did you have any deployments anywhere else or was it just in Latin America with the drug stuff?

00:33:54.380 Well, I've, I've been working down there for the last 10 or 11 years out, out of the military.

00:34:02.240 So that's why I joined. Um, then nine 11 happened and the attention shifted to the middle East.

00:34:10.540 And I did two deployments before I got medically pushed out of the military for a medical condition

00:34:17.760 that developed. And, um, my two deployments were into the, the Baltics region where we were actually

00:34:26.280 tracking down war criminals from previous wars, and then tracking the terrorist cells who were

00:34:32.560 trafficking money and weapons from back and forth from Europe into the middle East. So a lot of the

00:34:39.880 stuff that we were doing was more of the scout reconnaissance, intelligence gathering, tracking,

00:34:43.900 snatch and grabs, all those kinds of mission sets. Um, which for the everyday person would be more of

00:34:52.080 like what you would imagine like CIA operators doing versus like direct action, um, and, uh, assaults and

00:35:01.440 stuff like that. So. And, and, um, like scout snipers, for example, that's usually a two man team.

00:35:07.460 Yeah. Two to four. Like, so you might do, it all depends. It all depends. But normally the guys who

00:35:16.880 are doing the observer, the observation part, um, it's usually like, uh, two guys, but you might have

00:35:24.980 more guys in the whole thing for like command to control, extra security and all that kind of stuff.

00:35:30.800 But normally you have a shooter and a spotter who, who are up there, um, on the line.

00:35:35.800 Hmm. And I mean, what was that like? I mean, I'm curious, like what's it like having basically a

00:35:42.200 license to kill and taking somebody's life? I mean, I'm, you know, these are all bad guys or

00:35:48.400 you're told they're bad guys anyway. Like I'm sure you lost friends, you know, while you were serving

00:35:52.940 and, and there's of course the bad guys that go down, but what's that like?

00:35:56.360 Well, as far as having the, um, shooting one of the bad guys, I never actually had to on any of

00:36:04.400 those sniper missions. There were more sniper slash scout reconnaissance missions. It was a very

00:36:12.360 technical. So there was missions that went on that were, we were supposed to take out the target,

00:36:22.020 right? The problem is where we were deployed to, we weren't technically supposed to be there.

00:36:30.380 So if that were to happen, local forces would have to come in and claim credit for the mission.

00:36:37.960 And in that, what would happen is as that those other forces would get ready, usually what would

00:36:44.560 happen is someone would tip off one of the, the people and the target that we're watching would then

00:36:51.240 get a phone call or a text message of, Hey, there's people watching you. They're getting

00:36:56.460 ready to freaking come grab you, or they're going to, they're going to kill you or whatever.

00:37:01.020 And those guys would go run away or the, the team that was supposed to come in and take credit for

00:37:08.220 it would wait just long enough. It seemed like, Oh yeah, we'll be there in 30 minutes. And three

00:37:13.920 hours later, they still haven't showed up. And at two hours and 45 minutes, the dude leaves the

00:37:19.200 target. And then, Oh, here come the guys, you know, 15 minutes later. And it's like, dude,

00:37:23.740 you're supposed to be here two and a half hours ago. So it was extremely frustrating dealing with

00:37:28.180 all the politics of that. Um, but so I can't necessarily speak as to that, but it was something

00:37:37.920 to be said for, you know, tracking guys and basically stalking targets, you know, watching them

00:37:47.040 building Intel packages on them and all the people they were hanging out with the cars, they were

00:37:51.260 driving and, uh, putting all this stuff together. And, and, you know, you're following these dudes,

00:37:56.880 they have no idea you're there until you'd have to call in to go grab the guy or to take the guy out.

00:38:03.000 And then all of a sudden, you know, everyone now knows you're there because someone in the,

00:38:08.020 in the chain is leaking the information. So it was extremely, uh, frustrating from that standpoint,

00:38:14.500 especially because you know, that the people were watching were wanted for committing genocide.

00:38:19.740 And it's like, dude, we could just go grab this guy right now. Like, why don't we just go grab

00:38:22.960 him? But if, but again, the, the, the politics and rules of engagement and all that kind of stuff,

00:38:27.860 because we weren't technically in a, in a war zone, we were working through, um, Eastern European

00:38:34.140 countries, you know, under the radar. So at the end of the day, like we, if you did something,

00:38:42.000 it would have turned into a huge international event. And, um, so you have to kind of play by

00:38:47.100 the international rule book on that. So it's a, it's a frustrating dynamic to try to navigate

00:38:52.820 the, the, um, expectations versus reality dynamic of, you know, joining the Navy SEALs,

00:39:00.180 going through the training, doing the deployments and then retiring. Um, what's that like, you know,

00:39:05.480 for people watching right now, just so they understand. Cause I mean, like, I think we all

00:39:09.020 have expectations when he, you know, when we get into something, when you work for a company,

00:39:12.800 you get in a relationship, you buy a car, whatever. And then there's a reality of what

00:39:16.280 happens after that. And what I've heard from a lot of guys that serve in the military now

00:39:20.880 is, um, I don't know the best way to describe it aside from maybe saying something like they

00:39:26.720 feel let down, like they feel like they, they kind of wasted their time or they wouldn't

00:39:33.100 recommend doing what they did to a friend or a family member, like taking the same path.

00:39:39.000 Like what's your thoughts on that?

00:39:41.620 I would say each one of those things would have to be based on the individual's experience

00:39:46.600 and what the individual wanted to get out of that military experience. You know what I mean? So

00:39:53.500 I would sell people, if you want to join the military because you want to get money for college,

00:39:58.020 I don't think you should. If you want to join the military, because it's something that you feel

00:40:02.720 like you really want to do and whatnot, then you're going to have a different experience.

00:40:06.620 If you feel like you're going to be frustrated, if you're just there trying to ride the clock and

00:40:12.080 every day you're looking at like, all right, three more years, two months. All right. You know what

00:40:16.060 I mean? If you're constantly like that for your entire enlistment, you're not going to enjoy yourself.

00:40:20.120 And it doesn't matter what you're doing. If you're in that mindset, regardless of what it is,

00:40:24.960 you're not going to, you're not going to enjoy the time. Even when there's good opportunities and

00:40:28.540 good things happening, you're going to find, you're going to have a negative attitude toward it.

00:40:31.360 Um, what I would say is there are some things that are letdowns and there's some things that

00:40:36.980 were amazing. You know what I mean? Um, but, but again, that's, that's kind of life. Um, I know

00:40:42.840 I had seen, I had seen a video, one of the few videos I had seen in high school that had

00:40:49.600 referenced to the Navy SEALs. Again, there wasn't many, uh, before I went in because it was pre nine 11,

00:40:54.600 but there was some old dude in Africa and he had like a mustache and his gray mustache. And

00:41:00.960 there had been some big firefighter operation that happened in Africa. I don't remember exactly

00:41:06.660 the details. I just remember that this dude was being interviewed by a news reporter and she's

00:41:11.560 like, how is it that you guys fought all these bad guys and killed 300 dudes or whatever it was,

00:41:18.480 you know, some crazy number. And none of you, none of the SEALs got killed and you survived this and

00:41:23.880 you got away and blah, blah, blah. And the dude was a sitting there and he had like a dip,

00:41:27.740 like a, uh, like a tobacco dip in. And he just like, well, and he spits and he goes,

00:41:34.620 I think I've seen this clip. Yeah. He's like, the thing is we're not even that good.

00:41:41.120 And he spits again and he goes, all these other guys, they just suck. And I'm like, what? You know

00:41:50.120 what I mean? Like I didn't get it. And then I get to the actual team and what you start to realize is

00:41:55.920 get really good at the fundamentals, get really good at the basics. Cause one of the main things

00:42:02.220 is just being able to shoot steady, shoot accurate and communicate with your team members.

00:42:08.880 So there's not just a bunch of individuals running around on the battlefield doing their

00:42:13.140 own thing. You have a group of guys who are in communication with each other, implementing some

00:42:17.760 baseline, uh, tactics, shooting accurate, using the equipment they have and the, and the assets

00:42:25.160 that they have makes a huge difference. Um, and if you were to look at it like basketball or hockey or

00:42:31.200 something like that, a given go where you pass it to your partner, you fucking, you drive to the

00:42:36.840 basket or to the cage and they pass it right back to you. Like that's the old school, most old school

00:42:43.280 baseline move, you know, play in sports. And it still works. You know what I mean? It works so often

00:42:51.640 or like a baseline pick and roll kind of thing. Like it's just, it's a fundamental thing and it

00:42:57.300 works. And if you guys work together as a team, like, Holy shit, look at this. This is, this is

00:43:01.120 successful. So I think there's a lot of stuff that people see in movies and they expect it to be like,

00:43:07.160 you know, mission impossible kind of stuff. And I'm not saying things like that haven't happened,

00:43:11.140 but those, the more complex you make the mission, the more possibility it's going to fail.

00:43:18.820 And a lot of times it's just needs to be basic enough or high speed enough to make it work,

00:43:24.700 but not so high speed that you put in so many variables that it makes it nearly impossible

00:43:29.540 because it's never going to go exactly the way you want it to. So you have to be able to adapt,

00:43:34.120 evolve and overcome. But at the same time, most of the things you do are so, you know,

00:43:41.440 basic and simplified. You just got to do it right. You know what I mean? So in that sense,

00:43:48.480 you kind of like, I could see some people being let down because like, like, I thought this was

00:43:52.340 going to be more complex than it is. You know what I mean? And it's really not that complex.

00:43:57.560 It's not like the two hour movie that you go see in the theater where it's all, you know,

00:44:01.900 lights and smashes and explosions and stuff. It's a lot of, it sounds like, you know, for you as a

00:44:07.100 scout sniper is a lot of doing nothing, right? Like just watching. Yeah. Well, I mean, as a scout,

00:44:11.980 as a scout sniper, it's, it's like it, you have the feeling like you're, like you're hunting. Like,

00:44:20.280 so for one, for one example, one of the groups that we went to go watch, this dude was one of

00:44:25.380 the war criminals and he had a protection team of 17 guys. And where their hunting cabin was,

00:44:34.940 was an area of these mountains that had been peppered years prior with, with bombs, landmines,

00:44:43.040 anti-personnel mines that have never been cleaned up. And people die every year in this country

00:44:48.020 that I'm referring to by stepping on these landmines that were dropped 20, 30 years ago.

00:44:53.460 You know what I mean?

00:44:54.340 What do you mean drop? Like, do they just like fly over and drop them and they sort of parachute?

00:44:57.800 Yeah. Yeah. They just drop these things from planes and they just put them all out,

00:45:02.120 you know?

00:45:02.360 Oh, really?

00:45:03.340 And, um, it's against the Geneva convention now because years later people-

00:45:07.060 I didn't know that. I always thought that they had to like place them manually.

00:45:09.260 Um, there's some that are placed manually. Some, some are deployed, you know, um, in,

00:45:16.480 in different methods, but they're just scattered all over the, all over the place.

00:45:20.740 Okay.

00:45:21.220 So we're not allowed to use landmines, um, because it's, it's against the Geneva convention.

00:45:28.600 You can't leave a, an explosive unattended. So if anything, like you can have an explosive,

00:45:35.580 but like a booby traps, like we, we're not allowed to just leave booby traps unattended

00:45:41.680 based on technically under the, under the Geneva convention. You're not allowed to do it.

00:45:46.080 Okay.

00:45:48.160 Because there's no control over, this is going to be detonated on the person who's the enemy.

00:45:54.060 You know what I mean? There's no control.

00:45:55.100 They don't want them left behind. So some kid running around in the woods,

00:45:57.560 exactly on it, loses his legs.

00:45:58.680 Exactly. Cause now that's a war crime.

00:46:00.960 Yeah.

00:46:01.200 Okay. So in this, we had to go in and to get to this hunting cabin, right? Where if you go to a

00:46:09.680 hunting cabin, people go out at 4am, 5am, 6am before the sun comes up and they get into their

00:46:16.080 tree stands and all that stuff. And they want us to go watch these guys and get photos of these guys.

00:46:23.200 And this was one of those things where if he was there, we are either going to have the assault

00:46:27.780 team come in and get them where we were going to do a sniper mission, follow on sniper mission and

00:46:33.700 take out the, um, this dude who is the general, uh, in the, for, uh, wanted for these war crimes.

00:46:41.860 It all dependent on what came back from like, uh, NATO and, and the European union.

00:46:48.500 So, but we were to get in a position and observe, make sure they were there, put, build the Intel

00:46:55.620 report, then have a follow on sniper mission or assault mission depending. And we were going to

00:47:00.740 be sniper overwatch depending on what NATO and the European union came back with.

00:47:06.660 So for this to take the guys, you're like, this is a horrible idea. There's 17 dudes supposedly,

00:47:12.580 and they could be sitting in tree stands looking for a deer. And then they see us walking in

00:47:17.460 and you want us to walk through an area that we has known to have landmines in it. Like this is

00:47:22.180 stupid. But if that's what we're going to do, just for the record, I'm saying that this is really dumb,

00:47:28.500 you know, but we'll go do it, but I advise against it. So we went and we did it and we went in there.

00:47:36.260 And so, I mean, walking through that area, you know, is pretty, um, is pretty intense getting into

00:47:42.820 position and trying to make sure you're not walking in with guys who are also in camo sitting in tree

00:47:49.300 stands waiting for a deer. But now you come walking into their field of fire. You know what I mean?

00:47:54.100 Like, um, with high caliber, uh, you know, hunting rifles, like most of your body armor and stuff like

00:48:00.740 that doesn't protect you from, you know, something like a 30 odd six or whatever, especially at close

00:48:05.780 range like that. So coming into position and watching these guys and knowing what these guys

00:48:11.060 have done before and what they're capable of, and you're up there in your, in your hide, um,

00:48:16.340 um, you know, taking in at this point, you're not shooting your, you have like a big like Canon

00:48:22.500 camera and you're taking photographs of all the dudes and the license plates and, you know,

00:48:26.900 building out of what the structure looks like, what the gates are, which mode of entry are they

00:48:31.540 using the most? You know, if you always see them using one door, but not another door, like maybe

00:48:35.940 that door is booby trapped and this is the one door that only people use, you know, so don't use the

00:48:40.660 front door, you know what I mean? Kind of thing. Um, so it's intense being up there and trying to be

00:48:46.180 sneaky and not, you know, doing very little movement, making no noise while building this

00:48:52.340 Intel package, you know, when you're only 90 yards away from the guys who, you know, are very,

00:48:57.380 very dangerous men, you know, there's, it's like, you're like stalking, you know what I mean? Like

00:49:02.660 you're stalking the target, you're stalking the prey. In our case, there just was no, at the end of it,

00:49:08.500 there was no follow through, um, due to politics, you know, and it is what it is and it's frustrating,

00:49:14.180 but again, we're there to be professionals. And, uh, if that's what they say, then that's

00:49:20.420 what we have to do. If you go against that and go F this, I know this guy's a piece of

00:49:24.740 shit. I'm just going to shoot him. Like, then you're going to go to jail. You know what I mean?

00:49:28.420 So you have to be, um, mature in that sense of, you know, going with what the mission's called for.

00:49:36.980 And, you know, um, but it's an, it's an intense experience regardless. Cause then at the end of

00:49:42.820 it, you still have to get out and get away and get back to your extraction point without getting

00:49:47.860 caught. So, I mean, it's an, it's intense stuff, but it's just a little bit different than what,

00:49:52.340 um, some of the other guys experienced, but it was, it was a lot of stuff like that.

00:49:56.740 And like right now, like, I want to talk a little bit more about full spectrum warrior and the, uh,

00:50:01.060 ranch that you run and what you're doing today. I think you said that you were traveling down to Latin

00:50:05.140 America quite a bit to, to do some like, like, is that police forces or like, what do you deal with?

00:50:09.620 Yeah. I mainly work for the most part in Brazil, Brazil. And, uh, excuse me. I work with a lot

00:50:16.500 of police departments down there. A lot of their special tactics teams. Um, I've been all over the

00:50:21.060 country, almost to every state and I trained both police and civilians recently been training a lot more

00:50:31.060 civilians as the civilians have now start to have their second amendment reopened under Bolsonaro.

00:50:38.660 Um, so more civilians are now having access to own personal firearms and they want to shoot. They

00:50:45.860 want to learn to protect themselves and their family now that they can own guns. And there was a monopoly

00:50:50.900 on the, on the firearms industry before and Bolsonaro has allowed the import of other weapons in. So

00:50:58.100 their, their, uh, gun, uh, economy is like booming right now because you can finally get guns other

00:51:06.180 than like in bell and tourists and whatnot. So, uh, before you could get it, but it would be super,

00:51:11.620 super expensive. It's still expensive now just because of the currency exchange difference

00:51:16.580 and, uh, the taxes there are so high, but it's much more readily available.

00:51:22.420 Did you, did that give you some decent opportunity to spend some time with the

00:51:26.340 Brazilian women? Like, are they what everybody says there?

00:51:29.700 Um, they're very, uh, outgoing and they're, they're,

00:51:37.860 I don't, I don't know how to say, I never actually had experiences with the Brazilian women

00:51:43.860 personally because for most of the time that I was working down there, I was married. I'm not married

00:51:47.700 anymore, but so I was faithful to my wife while I was down there, but they're, they're very outgoing

00:51:55.060 and very touchy feely. Um, from what I gather from, you know, the guys of the culture, the culture is just

00:52:02.340 very, you know, touchy feely and very outgoing in general.

00:52:06.500 Yeah. Like let's shift gears before we go over to a full spectrum. Cause I want to talk about the

00:52:12.260 dogs and the training and all that sort of stuff. Um, the women part of life, like the relationship

00:52:18.900 part of life, I can't remember who it was, whether it was you or, or Trevor that, um, had some chaos in

00:52:24.340 their life at the time when I was down at the ranch. Can you talk about your experience? Like,

00:52:27.860 you know, like as a Navy SEAL, like what's that like for you? Like what sort of stuff have you been

00:52:32.900 dealing with? So I think when you came, I think Trevor had gone through a divorce like a year

00:52:38.260 before you got there. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how he was following your,

00:52:43.860 your information. And the reason he wanted you to come out to the ranch, I had just gone through a

00:52:49.380 divorce myself. So he was like, Hey, these got great dudes. They do some really cool training.

00:52:55.300 Um, they're speaking at this convention coming up, uh, cause you were speaking at one of the

00:52:59.620 conventions in Orlando, I believe. And he's like, these would be really good people for you to meet.

00:53:05.940 And cause I had just myself gone through a divorce as well. Was that like when you got red-pilled sort

00:53:11.140 of thing? Eh, somewhat. Yeah. So it was one of those things to where like, I don't think I've ever been,

00:53:21.140 um, like as far as when you guys refer to like beta males and all that kind of stuff,

00:53:29.060 it was, I found myself in a very interesting position and, and I would say like, yeah,

00:53:34.420 maybe I kind of got like red-pilled, but I kind of red-pilled myself kind of deal.

00:53:40.180 And then reading some of your guys books and sitting in, that was like,

00:53:43.060 it was basically added some confirmation to the things that I was feeling. And, um, but what I

00:53:48.500 would say is this, one of the big things that I took away is, and this isn't just with women,

00:53:53.140 this is with business relationships and friendships and whatnot. Um,

00:54:02.340 one of my problems is that makes me, it makes me a great coach, but it makes me very vulnerable.

00:54:10.340 I've found in different types of relationships is I S I know what potential I have. And I know what

00:54:18.100 I've been able to achieve against all odds. Everyone told me that 145 pound guy who is 17,

00:54:27.540 18 years old would never be able to make it through seal training. I was tiny. I was skinny.

00:54:32.580 I'm still skinny, but you know, at 150 pounds, I made it through the world's arguably the world's

00:54:38.500 hardest military training. So if I could do that, I know what others could do if they really just put

00:54:46.260 their mind to it. Right. So as a coach, I'm like, I see your potential. Like I see what you could be,

00:54:52.260 you know what I mean? But with relationships, people are telling me in different ways who they are and

00:54:59.460 who they're going to be. And what I was doing, I was like, yeah, I know that's what you're saying,

00:55:04.820 but I know what you truly could be. So I'm walking into relationships constantly going,

00:55:10.900 but I know what you, I know the potential that you have.

00:55:13.940 Are you talking about, you know, potential, like as far as men that you're trading or as far as women

00:55:18.580 in relationships? Well, so for example, my wife, who I, who I got divorced with when, when I met you,

00:55:26.180 we met when I was like 25, 26 years old and we got married. And at the time she was like, yeah,

00:55:32.180 you know, it was like, Oh, what do you, what do you believe in? She's like, well, I'm kind of agnostic.

00:55:37.700 You know, I'm kind of spiritual. She was going through like yoga instructor school. So she was

00:55:41.700 going down that rabbit hole at the time. And I'm like, well, up until two years ago, I would as agnostic

00:55:49.460 or atheist or whatever. I didn't believe in God. I can't, I, I found my, my faith and my walk in

00:55:54.820 that just two years ago. So, Hey, you know, I'm going to be open-minded. I'm going to be patient,

00:55:59.540 you know, and maybe she's just being around the wrong people. If you've been surrounding yourself

00:56:02.900 with piece of shit people, then maybe you make piece of shit decisions. But if you got around the

00:56:07.300 right people, your mindset on that might change. So, you know what, maybe that's not a showstopper that,

00:56:12.020 that she's not of the same faith on the same faith walk as I'm on now. And it was like, yeah,

00:56:19.140 you know, like, I don't know if I want to have kids. Like, uh, there's still a lot of things I

00:56:23.140 want to do. And it's like, okay, well, yeah, I mean, you're 24, 25 years old. I'm 26, 27, or whatever

00:56:29.060 it was like two years apart. So it's like, okay, well, yeah, you don't have kids right now. I mean,

00:56:33.060 we're in our mid twenties, you know, by the time she's 30, she'll probably want to have a family. Like

00:56:36.900 most people do. They're like, I got a lot going on right now. I don't think I want to have kids yet,

00:56:41.380 but maybe I'll have them later, you know? Um, and just different, different things like of,

00:56:47.140 uh, on that line to where she told me what she, what she was truly thinking. And I'm sitting here

00:56:55.540 going, yeah, that's what you said now, but I know where you could be in the future. And we get along

00:57:00.420 really well right now, but then you fast forward the marriage by six, seven years. And here we are,

00:57:08.420 and she's now progressed on her, on her yoga spiritual. Like I'm a strong, independent woman.

00:57:15.780 You know, I don't want to have a family and be tied down by kids. You know, I want to travel the

00:57:20.820 world and teach yoga, but yet here I am busting my ass paying for all this shit. You know what I mean?

00:57:27.620 And I'm like, you know, it just got to the point. It's like, wait, so we're not going to have a family

00:57:33.060 and you don't have a normal job and you want me to continue to go to work and you can travel

00:57:41.140 the world teaching yoga without me because you don't want me there overshadowing you because

00:57:45.700 you need to be a strong, independent woman. Now I'm not, I'm not going along with this. And where

00:57:50.660 we're going to get to is either one, one of two things are going to happen. You're going to have

00:57:54.900 a family with me and you're going to resent me and you're going to resent the children because that

00:57:59.300 is what's trapping you in the house, locking you into the general rules of what a woman's supposed

00:58:04.500 to do. And I'm going to be the, the bigot husband, mean Navy seal who locks you in the home.

00:58:12.340 And, um, and you're confined by these restraints and you can't reach your full potential and see

00:58:18.340 the world. And you're, we're going to, you're going to, you're going to have, um, like tension

00:58:24.020 against me because there's a resentment against me, or I'm going to allow you to travel the world

00:58:29.700 teaching yoga and we're going to have no children, have no family. And I'm going to resent you and

00:58:34.180 feel like you're taking advantage of me. And here I am being the, you know, the dupe who's going to

00:58:39.860 work every day, busting my ass so that you can live your dream and go travel the world with your friends

00:58:44.340 without me and go teach yoga and go do photo shoots and stuff like that. I'm not doing it.

00:58:49.700 So at that point I said, Hey, she said she wanted to go to Thailand for a month and go do this thing.

00:58:57.540 And I said, you can do whatever you want to do. I'm not going to stand in your way,

00:59:02.500 but if you decide to do that, I don't know where our relationship's going to be.

00:59:07.700 And, um, so she did it and then I filed for divorce. So it was just one of those things where

00:59:14.260 it's like, you can go do that, but I'm not, I'm not going to be the one who's supporting this.

00:59:17.620 You know, here we're, you're in your early thirties now. And she's like, well, I'm,

00:59:22.500 I'd have to find myself. You know what I mean? You got to travel the world when you were in the Navy.

00:59:26.660 I never got to travel the world. I'm like,

00:59:29.140 You know what find myself usually means?

00:59:32.500 Yeah. What usually means his name is Tyrone Chad or

00:59:37.940 And I'm like, you can find yourself. That's fine. I'm not paying for it.

00:59:40.740 Yeah. You know what I mean?

00:59:42.020 So we got to that point to where it's kind of drew a line in the sand where it was like,

00:59:45.700 okay, we're getting old or, but more so for her, like you're getting to the point where

00:59:52.740 if we decide to have kids, there's a high probability that they're going to be autistic

00:59:57.780 or that you're going to have health issues or something like that, because you're getting

01:00:02.180 into your mid thirties and you haven't had a child yet. And based on your game plan,

01:00:06.980 there's nothing in here that says that you want to settle down and have a family anytime soon.

01:00:11.540 It's not just that it's, it's fucking exhausting. Like, like from like birth to about year four,

01:00:17.140 maybe three and a half to four. It's fucking exhausting. It's a lot of work and you don't

01:00:20.340 have the energy in your forties that you did in your thirties. Right. Or even twenties.

01:00:25.380 So that's kind of where I was when, when you walked in and, um,

01:00:29.780 was that like a, what the fuck moment? Like, like, are you kidding me? Like, you know, I,

01:00:34.020 you know, I provided all of this for you and like, you know, the whole strong independent,

01:00:38.900 like I'm so strong independent. I don't need no man, but it's like, yeah, you know,

01:00:41.700 you're paying for the yoga classes, you're paying for accommodation, you're paying for travel. Like,

01:00:45.780 was that like a big, like WTF moment for you?

01:00:47.860 Yeah. And, and, you know, leading up to it, it was things like this. So

01:00:56.180 I would go to these charity events and I would come out of the helicopter with the dog. Like

01:01:01.300 we did one in Mar-a-Lago and. Is that like where you come down the rope?

01:01:06.100 Yeah. Come down the fast rope. And I got the, I got my working dog with me.

01:01:10.260 And the dog straps your chest, right? On this one, it was hanging like below me,

01:01:14.660 like tethered and come, you know, repelling or fast roping into the event. We do a little

01:01:20.580 demonstration and it's a charity event. And like this one, we're going to Donald Trump's house,

01:01:25.940 Mar-a-Lago. And I'm fast roping into the event out of a freaking helicopter. And afterwards it's a

01:01:33.140 gala. It's like a big fundraising charity event. And we get to have this really nice dinner and get to

01:01:39.380 meet a bunch of like, uh, you know, big name people and, uh, stay at a really nice hotel down

01:01:46.180 the street. And I invite her to come with me as, as my, like, as my wife, like, and she didn't want

01:01:54.100 to go. And I'm like, what do you mean you don't want to go? She's like, I just, I don't want to,

01:01:59.380 I serve no purpose there. And I'm like, what do you mean you serve no purpose?

01:02:03.300 You serve me woman.

01:02:04.100 You're my, you're my wife. Like, why wouldn't you be there with me as my wife?

01:02:08.980 She's like, I don't feel like being your arm candy.

01:02:11.860 Oh wow.

01:02:12.580 And it's like my arm candy. You're not my arm candy. You're my wife. You're beautiful. You're

01:02:16.020 my wife. We're going to go do this. She's like, well, everyone just wants to talk to you because

01:02:19.780 you're a Navy seal. And I just have to stand there and be stupid because there's no purpose of me

01:02:24.500 being there, but to be, uh, Oh, because I'm pretty. So I'm supposed to stand there. And I'm like,

01:02:29.620 no, you come with me because you're my partner and you're my wife. This is a charity event.

01:02:33.380 And by people talking to me, getting to meet a Navy seal, they're going to donate money

01:02:38.660 to support all these amazing families. And what do we get out of it? We get to help families.

01:02:43.460 And yeah, we get to stay two nights at a really nice hotel. We get to go to Mar-a-Lago,

01:02:48.420 have a fancy dinner, have a cool experience and enjoy the night. Like I don't understand why this

01:02:53.540 is, you know, a thing, but like to her that that was degrading to her because, um, I don't, I don't

01:03:02.900 know if she, cause it wasn't, I know what you're saying. It's like almost astonishing that women

01:03:06.660 feel that it's degrading to support her husband's mission, right? Like to yield to him, to be a

01:03:13.140 compliment to, to his life is now degrading. Right. Which is, which is so bizarre. Cause I mean,

01:03:19.300 I bet you if she had a conversation with her grandmother, if she was still around,

01:03:22.580 she'd probably be like, what's wrong with you. Right. But times have changed. I mean,

01:03:27.220 do you find that's, that's like something that you come across more and more now? Like,

01:03:30.900 I know that you were married for, for a period of time and you're always faithful to her, but

01:03:34.180 now that you're out there, like, do you find that that's like, it's not just her

01:03:38.020 or is it different or like what's your experience been like that with dating now?

01:03:42.100 Yeah. I mean, it's just the culture's changing, but I think I see that there's definitely a push

01:03:49.220 back. I think the pendulum is going to start swinging the other direction where I think a

01:03:53.460 lot of these people like, um, you know, I think there's women starting to realize that they've been

01:03:59.220 lied to. You know what I mean? That, that, that this isn't what they were promised isn't

01:04:08.020 as, as, as good as it is supposed to be. And, and I hope that's the case. And I hope people start

01:04:15.060 realizing this, especially when they start looking at how our governments are, are, um, brainwashing

01:04:22.180 the children and implementing this sexualization in, in the school systems and this, this fear and hate

01:04:31.220 and segregation within, within the, the racial teachings that they're pushing in the school systems.

01:04:37.060 And it's like, you wanted to be that strong, independent woman and not be in that mother

01:04:43.780 position. Like to me, it's just kind of nuts that you would want someone else raising your child

01:04:49.700 versus you raising your child. Like, I don't understand me personally, how that is a negative

01:04:56.980 or derogatory thing. Like, well, they've been sold this bill of goods. I mean, I'll tell you what it is.

01:05:03.820 Like women today, for the most part, they want to have children, but they don't want to be a parent.

01:05:10.220 They don't want to be a mother and they don't want to be a wife. So what's the point? Exactly.

01:05:16.520 So that's something that guys need to get clear on in their heads when they're dealing with a woman,

01:05:20.440 if they're looking to have a family or have kids is, does she want to be all those things? Does she

01:05:25.240 want to be a wife? Does she want to be a compliment to your life? Not the focus. Does she want to be a

01:05:29.660 mother? Meaning does she want to homeschool the kids? Does she want to properly raise them and

01:05:32.720 instill values with them? You know, does she want to be a parent? Which is, you know, a lot of people

01:05:37.120 today I find anyway, you know, when it comes to women, there's a lot of single moms out there too.

01:05:41.040 They, they tend to like to be their kid's best friend. And it's like, that kid's not your friend,

01:05:45.300 lady. That kid is your child. You need to parent them and enforce boundaries. And they don't

01:05:48.900 understand the need to parent, be a mother and be a compliment to a man's wife. All of those things

01:05:54.540 seem foreign today. And they seem like it's a, it's a detriment or it's holding them back or

01:05:58.440 they're serving somebody, which is so weird because they're so happy to serve the government or serve

01:06:03.660 a employer, but they won't serve the household. They won't serve their kids. They won't serve their

01:06:07.740 husbands. A lot of women that refuse to do it. And they think that it's like oppression, you know,

01:06:11.400 for example, and it's like, ladies, if you were really being oppressed by men, we wouldn't let you

01:06:15.780 have feminism. Trust us. Yeah. Valid point. Valid point. And, and the thing with it too,

01:06:21.400 is it's, it's, it's, you know, it's easy to get gaslit into that because there was times where it's

01:06:27.820 like, okay, you know, I'm hanging out with this, uh, for example, like you're, you're in that like

01:06:35.280 yoga community and everyone's super nice, but it's like, you try to start drawing those boundaries

01:06:41.040 and it's like, oh, you know, yeah. Rich, one of those hardcore military guys, you know, um,

01:06:50.120 you know, um, big, bad, mean Navy seal, you know, doesn't let his poor little wife do anything,

01:06:57.400 you know? And so, uh, and again, like, I don't want to have to be a dictator in, in relationships.

01:07:04.100 And that's not my, my, my leadership style is I'm more of the, of the line of, um, I'm going to tell

01:07:13.880 you what, what needs to be done or, or whatever. And then you have the decision to, to do that or

01:07:20.120 not. And a lot of times I'll give, uh, I was, I was telling this when one of my buddies down in

01:07:24.780 Brazil, because he was going through, through this stuff with his girlfriend. Let me just stop you

01:07:29.120 on that story for a second. I just want to correct you on something. So this is kind of my wheelhouse

01:07:33.080 for those of you that are new or the channel watching this sort of thing. So, I mean, if you're

01:07:36.760 to ask your woman to do something right, the way that, the way that you got to look at it as a guy

01:07:41.400 is you've got to look at it as she has three options. It's, you know, she executes, you know,

01:07:47.040 so you ask her to do something and she executes it. Uh, she's confused and she needs clarity.

01:07:51.560 Hey, Rich, uh, I'm not sure what you mean by this. You want me to do a, B and C. So then she comes to

01:07:56.000 you for clarity or three it's, she has a better way to do it. And she comes to you with a different

01:08:01.300 solution. That's really it. It's not like you don't have the option not to do it. Like if, if you're

01:08:06.960 going to have responsibility to a family, if you're going to have a responsibility to protect a

01:08:11.140 woman, cause let's be honest. I mean, if there's a bang in the night, there's a big bang downstairs

01:08:15.360 and you're in bed with your wife, your girlfriend, your woman, whatever. Do you just nudge her and

01:08:18.720 say, you go get this one, baby, you know, cause you're a feminist. She's going to expect you to

01:08:22.360 leap out of bed, grab a weapon and go do what you're supposed to do as a guy because you're

01:08:25.200 the protector. Women, men and women are not the same. We're not, you know, the way that you look at

01:08:30.060 that, at, at that angle, you know, as far as like, I'm going to give you the option. You have to take

01:08:34.560 that away. And you actually have to say to her, you know, it needs to be done. And if you're not going to do

01:08:39.020 it, you have to come back with either I'm confused and look for clarity or I have a better solution.

01:08:43.800 Why don't we try this? Yeah. Great point. And let me, I'll, so let me, I'll explain on that a little

01:08:48.680 bit. Cause I think I might've, I said what I said, but in, in my thoughts, some of the things that

01:08:56.360 were happening were, it, it wasn't, I said to begin with, it was, I was actually told, right.

01:09:04.080 Oh, Hey, I spoke with my sister. We decided that we were going to try to go do this.

01:09:12.100 And now you're put, something was already put in motion. Conversations were had and something

01:09:16.540 was put in motion. And then you have to now come in and put the squash on it and be the

01:09:21.620 asshole who now, Oh, everyone already agreed on it. And when everyone's already planning on

01:09:25.620 this and now you come in and you're the one who stopped it. You know what I mean? And I did.

01:09:30.160 So for example, like that happened the first time there was one of these trips and it was

01:09:36.780 a weekend trip to Canada with her sister. Then it went to a trip with a couple of her

01:09:43.500 girlfriends to this Island off of Georgia to go camping. Then it went to a trip, a 10 day

01:09:51.000 trip to Colorado for like a yoga trainer experience. You know, then it went to, Oh, we're going to

01:09:57.680 go to South Central America and go do this thing for two weeks with a couple of these friends.

01:10:01.940 And I said, at that point, I was like, no, that's not a wife though, rich. Like that's

01:10:05.600 not what a wife does. Yeah. Yeah. Like women with boyfriends or with husbands don't go away

01:10:12.400 for weekends to Vegas or whatever with their girlfriends. They just don't. And if they want

01:10:17.720 to do it, then you just say, okay, fine. I don't date women like that. Yeah. Right. I mean,

01:10:22.340 like you have to like kind of quash it early on. Like you can't let it get to a marriage,

01:10:25.340 you know, sort of scenario. So if it's like, if you're dating her and she's like, Hey, I'm going

01:10:29.040 to go to my Vegas girlfriend's weekend, you know, quarterly sort of thing. And it's like,

01:10:33.440 okay, well I don't date women like that. Right. Yeah. It's, you know, just as simple as that. And

01:10:38.880 then it's a disqualification. So you don't have to deal with that later on down the road. So you're

01:10:42.400 ending up in a scenario where it's like, you're married for a while. And like, this is the fourth

01:10:46.260 trip in like three months or something like that, where she's going away with her girlfriends.

01:10:49.720 Cause you know, like, I mean, for those of you guys watching, you know, that I have a McLaren,

01:10:53.880 if you've watched for a while, I wouldn't park my car in a shitty neighborhood, leave

01:10:58.240 it unlocked and throw the keys in the seat and just walk away from it and hope for the

01:11:01.540 best. It's the same thing with your woman, right? You don't let her get into a scenario

01:11:06.640 where she could potentially betray you. If you know what I'm saying, like men cheat, women

01:11:12.160 betray, right? Like there's a difference. So that's, that's essentially you say that men

01:11:17.560 cheat, women betray. So let me go one more step with this. And that's what happened. So they

01:11:22.780 wanted to do the trip to central America. And I said, no, you guys don't know about leaving

01:11:27.260 the country. Like Mexico's super dangerous. The, you guys aren't going as, especially without

01:11:33.740 having one of us go with you. And they're like, Oh, well you don't think we can do it?

01:11:38.120 Like we're long independent women, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I get it, but no, you're not

01:11:43.100 going there. You're not going for freaking two weeks down there. And I, that's like, enough

01:11:47.860 is enough. And I drew the line on it and I squashed it. So after that, they, they all

01:11:52.600 got really upset with me because I was like, now the big bad Navy controller, the controlling

01:11:58.100 husband. Right. So then what happens is she opens up credit cards behind my back and opens

01:12:06.440 up a bank account behind my back and starts planning a month long trip to Thailand without

01:12:14.000 me knowing. And about two weeks prior to her leaving, she, she tells me that, uh, that she's

01:12:23.360 going to Thailand for two weeks to go or for a month, two weeks prior to her leaving. She

01:12:28.780 tells me, and I'm like, well, with, with what, what, you know what I mean? And, oh, well,

01:12:35.800 don't worry about it because I, I have my own bank account and credit card, et cetera, et cetera.

01:12:41.060 And I'm like, no, you don't have your own because we're married. So anything that you

01:12:43.980 owe on a credit card, if you don't pay it, I have to pay it. Right. If your bank account

01:12:48.080 gets stolen or your credit card gets stolen in Thailand, guess who they're going to come

01:12:51.860 after? Like, cause we're married. That's how that works. You know? And.

01:12:56.300 Was she, was she generating income in the household or was it mostly?

01:13:01.540 Just a little bit. And, you know, she's a yoga teacher. So she taught like two or three

01:13:04.860 times a week and she would go do some day jobs here and there.

01:13:08.660 So it was like the Eddie Murphy standup. It's like here, rich, here's $80. Cause I want to do my

01:13:12.900 share. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like that. Exactly. So at, at that point, you know, the betrayal had come

01:13:20.540 in to where. Strong and independent. Sorry.

01:13:23.020 Yeah. Like, but this is the thing, like little stuff like this, Hey, there's this app or this

01:13:28.620 website where you can go and you can go on and order meals and they send you a meal with all the

01:13:35.220 ingredients and the instructions. And it's, it shows up your door. It's on like a block of,

01:13:40.340 you know, ice. It's like a chef's plate. You kind of make it following instructions. You just make it.

01:13:44.240 She's like, Hey, I think it would be really cool for us to cook together.

01:13:49.240 Okay. Yeah. You know, maybe that'd be a good thing. So we start, or we do like three dinners

01:13:54.620 together in the kitchen. And then it's like, Hey, uh, I got to go teach tonight, but I ordered

01:14:00.940 that home chef. So you can, you can fix yourself dinner. There's stuff here, et cetera, et cetera.

01:14:06.800 And she kept dropping this thing, this little quote where she would say like, I'm not always

01:14:10.720 going to be here to feed you. You got to learn how to cook. You know what I mean? Like you can't

01:14:13.840 always count on me to make your meal. There might be some times where I'm not going to be here that you

01:14:19.140 need to make the meal. Did you forget that you would eat like MREs out of a pouch? Like, you know,

01:14:23.900 you could feed yourself freaking peanut butter jelly sandwich or a salad or whatever. But do you see

01:14:28.820 what I'm saying? So she knew in her head that she was going to be going and she was setting up for

01:14:34.080 this trip for a month. So she was bringing this food in. Let's do a couple of meals together.

01:14:42.060 Hey, why don't you do this on your own? I'm not always going to be here to cook for you. Oh,

01:14:46.380 by the way, I'm leaving for a month. You know what I mean? So it was at this point, it was kind of

01:14:51.900 like, it clicked. And like, all of a sudden, when she told me that I kind of rewound all these

01:14:57.220 conversations and things that had transpired. And it was like, if I had said no to Mexico for a two

01:15:04.100 week trip, what in the world makes you think that going to Thailand for a month would be better?

01:15:10.620 And that's where I just said, Hey, you're going to do whatever you're going to do. But just

01:15:15.720 understand, I'm going to make decisions based on what you decide. Did you guys have any kids?

01:15:20.120 No. Okay. So I mean, like you got out of that pretty much. Yeah.

01:15:24.540 At that point, that's where I'm kind of saying it was like, I'm not going to tell you no.

01:15:34.240 Because I know you're already doing things to deceive me. And I basically gave the rope.

01:15:39.840 Yeah.

01:15:40.400 And I said, you're going to go if you're going to go because if you don't go, you're going to do

01:15:44.600 something like this again in some other way. And so let's see what you do. I'm saying I think

01:15:49.860 this is a bad idea. And I would not like you to go. I want you to stay here. I want you to cancel

01:15:53.800 this, cancel those credit cards. Yeah. But I'm going to let you do what you want to do.

01:15:57.420 Have you read my book yet, Rich?

01:15:58.320 And that's where I was like, all right, fine. That's cool. I'm getting divorced because

01:16:02.880 I'm not going to live in a relationship like this because this isn't a functional, healthy

01:16:07.960 relationship.

01:16:08.520 No, it's not. It's not conducive at all. Have you read my book?

01:16:13.580 Not yet.

01:16:14.520 So I talk about betatization by a thousand concessions. I mean, if you have long drives,

01:16:19.340 grab the audio version. It's like a four and a half hour listen. So I mean, you can rip through

01:16:23.300 it pretty quick. But I talk about betatization through a thousand concessions in it. And basically,

01:16:28.800 you know, like it starts with something simple like, hey, Rich, let's go vegan together or let's go

01:16:33.200 and do this retreat together or put your white socks in a white hamper and your dark socks in a dark

01:16:37.820 camper. Then it turns into something else. And then it turns into, you know, basically what you

01:16:42.480 ended up with. And it's not like any one thing breaks the camel's back. It's just a sequence of

01:16:47.760 a whole bunch of concessions that you make. You know, then you get married, then you make a whole

01:16:51.240 bunch more concessions. And it's like, you know, you get to the point where it's like, I've, I've got

01:16:55.560 all the responsibility here is the man in the house as what should be the head of the household is

01:17:01.300 a protector. I mean, fuck your Navy SEALs for crying out loud. And I have no authority at all.

01:17:07.900 And it's why you really have to early on at the start of the relationship, set the frame

01:17:12.440 to who's, who's going to be in whose frame. And she needs to be in your frame. You know,

01:17:17.260 just, just for clarity, for those that are wondering, because that, because then you never

01:17:21.200 get to the point where she's taking all these trips and I don't need no man, and I'm not going

01:17:24.480 to come to you to this, you know, and, and support you, you know, at this gala at Mar-a-Lago and all

01:17:28.660 that stuff. Um, really, really critical, um, stuff when it comes to relationships. Let me ask this

01:17:33.700 question. Um, are there any betas in the Navy SEALs as you would define alpha versus beta?

01:17:42.040 Yeah. I mean, there might be some, but I think it's...

01:17:45.360 Data males with women, I'm guessing, but they're alphas in their craft.

01:17:48.600 Yeah, I would say so. And I would say like one of the things that, that is, I would say

01:17:55.680 makes guys who are military, military special forces, um, police officers, first responders,

01:18:05.120 firefighters. Uh, when I went through one of these like Christian counseling things, they

01:18:09.880 referred, they referred to this. This isn't my term, but this is what they were referring

01:18:13.980 to it as the broken rescuer. And they find that they, that the broken rescuer sees someone

01:18:21.080 who has a problem and they want to come in and be the one to rescue them out of this problem.

01:18:26.820 And what happens is a lot of times, and these are the same people who are drawn to go, you

01:18:32.840 know, fight a fight on someone else's behalf or go put their life on the line, you know, to

01:18:38.360 fight crime or to try to save you from bleeding to death in a medical incident. Like people

01:18:43.960 with, with that type of personality or, or whatnot are drawn to those types of drop jobs, which

01:18:52.040 you are inherently in a position to save someone else in a dangerous situation. You know what

01:18:58.460 I mean? And with that, you're tough and heroic or brave in the action phase, but in the process

01:19:08.000 of trying to save people, you'd find yourself in a position to where you can be easily manipulated

01:19:13.940 gas lit, taken advantage of, uh, by different narcissistic borderline cluster B personalities

01:19:22.020 thrive on the broken rescuer. You know what I mean?

01:19:25.940 Yeah. That's, that's a notion that we call captain save a hoe too.

01:19:29.940 Captain save a hoe. Okay. So I don't necessarily know if they're beta males as far as their daily

01:19:34.940 life.

01:19:35.940 It's all males. So, so just to categorize it, like you've got the unplugged here at the top

01:19:41.080 and on one side, you've got the alphas and then you've got the betas. They're both unplugged. They

01:19:45.080 both see the code in the matrix. They say things for what they are. And then beneath that, there's

01:19:49.260 the plugged in and you can have plugged in betas, which are the worst to deal with. And you can have

01:19:53.580 plugged in alphas as well. The plugged in alphas are like the natural alphas, right? Like the chads that

01:19:57.840 got all the girls, but they can never keep them around a long-term basis or they get, you know,

01:20:01.880 run through the cleaners and they never see their kids again in a divorce. So like, you can't have

01:20:06.940 both, both categories of those things. You know, the ideal position for a guy to be in is to move

01:20:11.100 over to the unplugged alpha sort of scenario, which is what I titled my book. Um, you know,

01:20:15.320 which deals with all those elements, but yeah, like what they're talking about in that Christian

01:20:19.320 counseling session is essentially what, what moves you into the notion of, well, you don't want to

01:20:24.120 play captain save a hoe with a woman, right? Cause then it ends quite, quite badly for guys.

01:20:28.520 That's a different video and a whole different topic. I wanted to just

01:20:31.760 touch on a few different things as we were talking about the stuff with, um, women, but

01:20:35.180 I want to go to your, um, to your business right now. Cause we've only got, uh, about another 10

01:20:39.920 odd minutes left or so before we got to wrap. Let me just throw this up on the screen because

01:20:43.920 you've got a very, very interesting, um, line of work right now that now that you've retired from

01:20:48.760 the military. So this is your Instagram feed and you've got, um, excuse me, rich Graham, Navy seal,

01:20:56.000 and the handle is full spectrum warrior. If you want to look it up, there's a website too.

01:21:00.860 Um, you do a lot of stuff here at your ranch. So most of this stuff here, I know is filmed

01:21:05.840 at your ranch cause I've been there. Um, you've got quite the range. You guys train canines

01:21:11.260 are all Belgian Malinois as well. Still, uh, Belgian Malinois primarily, but we use Dutch

01:21:17.560 shepherds, German shepherds. Um, primarily it just depends on what the, what the person or

01:21:24.340 the, or the, the receiving party is looking for. Yeah. And, um, can you talk about the

01:21:30.580 mobility? So let's deal with a few of these things here, like functional fitness. Cause

01:21:33.780 I mean, you're in great shape as a guy for your age. There's a little video here. Let's

01:21:37.280 see if we can just be throwing around this back, like you're in great shape for a guy, your

01:21:40.900 age, right? Um, how important is functional fitness to you right now?

01:21:44.720 I think it's to me personally, it's huge. You know, um, I do a lot of stuff with guys

01:21:51.320 on the shooting range, for example, and you might say like, all right guys, so let's, let's

01:21:56.060 use this vehicle and we're going to use it for cover, get down in the kneeling position

01:21:59.820 or squat or whatever. And you'd be surprised how many people have a hard time getting into

01:22:04.300 the kneeling position or squatting or like, all right, you know what I mean? So the fundamental

01:22:12.080 part of anything is my ability to move my own body. Whether we're talking about long

01:22:18.740 distance running and moving my own body over a long distance over an extended period of

01:22:23.180 time, or me moving a heavy piece of weight, like my ability to move is my foundation.

01:22:29.160 So it means like you don't train for the aesthetics of a bodybuilder. You're training for functional

01:22:33.980 movement. No, my, my attitude is this. I'm going to train to be explosively strong

01:22:40.760 and, uh, and have endurance and whatever my body looks like for doing that, then cool.

01:22:48.140 So be it right. I'm not in it for the looks. I'm in it for the results. Um, but I mean,

01:22:54.260 like it just so happens that you actually end up building an aesthetically pleasing body to

01:22:58.060 the opposite sex when you do that, regardless, I mean, you end up with basically what I would

01:23:01.760 classify as a swimmer's physique. Yeah. Yeah. For, for real. So, I mean, doing those movements

01:23:08.320 are the movements, you know, um, but doing an isolated shoulder press is going to make

01:23:13.460 my shoulders bigger because I'm isolating the shoulders, but that might not transition

01:23:20.700 into, um, you know, boxing or something like that. Because in boxing, we're using multiple

01:23:28.400 muscle groups to throw your arm. A lot of the power is generated from your hips. So just

01:23:33.000 by having big shoulders doesn't mean that I can punch hard. Right. I mean, so there's

01:23:37.720 a lot more to the movement of, of the punch than just big shoulders. So, you know, for

01:23:43.060 example, like doing this, most, a lot of people have a hard time doing that, doing the, holding

01:23:47.480 the grip, um, with your hand like this open versus being able to make a fist on a little

01:23:52.620 skinny pull-up bar. So to do that with the coordination, um, and whatnot, like that's very

01:23:57.940 hard for people to do. And for me, I, it's that my ability to move the body with my equipment

01:24:06.000 on and all that kind of stuff. Um, and to be able to be strong as it relates to fighting

01:24:11.160 is more important to me than just being able to move big heavy weights in isolated motion,

01:24:16.720 you know, but it's always astonishing to me that I find that even, even guys that are world

01:24:22.000 class at something like you do that would typically be like leaders of men, 200, 500, a thousand

01:24:29.160 years ago that women would aspire to be with are discounted today. Um, in long-term relationships,

01:24:35.580 because we've got big daddy state that's capable of taking care of them because they don't need

01:24:39.820 no man sort of thing. Right. Like most guys can't do this. I mean, I'll be honest with you.

01:24:43.980 I look at a lot of guys today where I live and I think to myself, you know what this dude

01:24:48.740 and probably like, you know, the other 90% of them standing around them probably can't do 30

01:24:53.500 pushups, 10 chin ups and skip rope for two minutes. Right. Like they just don't have that

01:24:57.900 capacity. So what you do at your ranch is you basically train guys in self-defense. You,

01:25:03.980 you train them, um, with weapons, you train them in hand-to-hand combat. What else do you do there,

01:25:08.700 by the way? Yeah. I mean, the main, the main draw, the main thing I get hired to do is to teach people

01:25:14.220 how to shoot. That's like the primary focus. You know, obviously there's a lot of great personal

01:25:18.400 trainers out there. Uh, I've built that obstacle course that you're seeing. So there's a lot of

01:25:23.040 people who come in to have a run at the obstacle course and you know, you'll see there's a lot of

01:25:27.980 dudes who are really good bodybuilding shape and you come and try to run this obstacle course and

01:25:32.800 they can't get through it. Um, or they're just dying the whole way. You know what I mean? Um, but,

01:25:39.240 uh, shooting functional fitness, we work the dog program with our, with our nonprofit for the

01:25:46.220 service dogs. Um, we'll do, uh, like orienteering and different like field craft skills. And then

01:25:53.720 we'll do like men's leadership stuff out there, uh, events like the one coming up in February,

01:25:58.620 the protector summit. And, um, and then we have people who a lot of times, one of our main thing

01:26:05.060 is I have a cabin out there and we'll just do private training experiences. So if you want to come

01:26:09.360 out with maybe yourself or a few of your friends, we'll just do a truck, private training. It could

01:26:14.960 be one day, it could be a week, whatever you want to do. And you can stay on cabin on site and we can

01:26:20.780 train in whatever area that you want to focus on. And, um, and you're just all inclusive, all,

01:26:26.640 all, you know, engulfed in the, in the training and the experience. Gotcha. And I want to ask you

01:26:33.840 about dogs too, cause I've been thinking about getting a dog a lot lately and a neighbor of mine,

01:26:38.020 um, you know, recently had their house broken into and it's like, you know, of course they

01:26:41.940 weren't able to deal with it and they don't have a, like a, like a home security system or,

01:26:46.100 you know, when I say home security system, I'm talking about a dog specifically. Most dogs are

01:26:49.560 useless. Like I can't stand these like fluffy white rats that most people get that are like utterly

01:26:53.480 like, you know, former, former versions of the wolves that they were bred from. But I mean,

01:26:57.920 like you actually have useful dogs that you guys train. Um, Belgian Malinois, uh, German Shepherds,

01:27:04.580 the dogs that I saw you, um, have there. And I didn't know what a Belgian was until I saw it.

01:27:09.240 Cause it, cause it, cause it, cause it was walking around and it looked real small compared to other

01:27:12.240 dogs. And I think they were like 15, 25% smaller than a German Shepherd. Yeah. I just like the

01:27:17.680 American German Shepherds are like a hundred, 125 pounds. The original old school, like German

01:27:23.260 Shepherds from like Hitler's time and world war one. Like, is that a Belgian there or is that a

01:27:28.240 shepherd? That's a mix. Okay. Yup. But like that dog is about 70 pounds. Like that's what a German

01:27:35.440 Shepherd used to be. Yeah. Size wise. That's a Belgian there, right? Uh, yes. Yup. And those are

01:27:44.740 from a breeder called limitless canine out of like Jacksonville, Florida. So he's got a breeding

01:27:51.400 program, whereas dogs have some mix in between the, the German and the Dutch, um, with the Malinois.

01:27:58.300 That's why they're a little bit blockier in their, in their build, trying to get kind of the best of

01:28:02.560 both worlds. But, you know, the German Shepherds are great dogs. They're just not as agile and

01:28:06.940 athletic, especially now with the, with the current breeding standards, they kind of got screwed up a

01:28:12.480 little bit from the show dog era. Um, so like if you see a German Shepherd with a slanted back

01:28:18.020 where the back hips are hot or lower than the, than the shoulders, um, that's a show line and

01:28:24.440 those dogs start having hip problems at like six, seven years old. So although they'll come with all

01:28:31.800 sorts of paperwork and awards and all this stuff, I would not recommend anyone getting, uh, if you want

01:28:37.340 a dog for, you know, home protection, not that they can't, it's just you're, you're losing about four

01:28:44.740 or five years of the lifespan of the dog, um, working service part because of, of the, the

01:28:51.120 hips. Do you, do you breed and train them too? We train them. I have done a couple of breedings,

01:28:57.320 but I typically don't breed them all that much just because I'm so busy on the shooting range

01:29:02.160 that I don't have time to really run a dog kennel personally. So instead of me breeding, um, and

01:29:10.920 there's been times where I've had people who worked out at the ranch and they ran the kennel.

01:29:14.300 So if I do do that, I have, I have people who are out there running that portion of the property for

01:29:18.840 me, um, to make sure that the dogs aren't getting neglected. Um, but for me personally, I might train

01:29:24.900 one or two dogs a year. Um, and then I have other trainers who we work with who also, um, help train

01:29:32.260 the dogs. So that way we can make sure that the quality is, is high. Is it, is it possible for a guy

01:29:38.420 like me in Canada to call somebody down there, for example, like you or somebody that you could

01:29:42.500 refer me to that would say, yeah, I got a litter coming up. You know, I can have one trained for

01:29:46.600 you and I can ship it up when it's trained. Like, is that something that, that happens or is that

01:29:49.880 like totally out of the question? You've got to train with a dog. That can happen. But I always

01:29:54.360 recommend that when you get the dog, I would recommend that you do training with the dog.

01:29:58.720 Cause it would be like this. If you've never been a dog handler and you never worked with a working

01:30:03.820 dog before, then what will happen is just like you were talking about with the, with the women

01:30:09.340 want to be their kid's best friend. You get this dog and this is a working dog. This dog wants

01:30:14.520 structure. It wants a job and you get it. And you're like, I've only had pets before. I want this

01:30:19.980 to be my buddy. And now all that work that was just put in, you're not going to get any of that out of

01:30:25.380 the dog. Can a working dog be a pet as well? Or is it always a working dog? It can be a pet,

01:30:31.560 but you need to set those boundaries in the beginning. It's very similar. Like, so because

01:30:35.840 you understand the psychology of the relationship stuff, if you treat that relationship with the

01:30:42.880 working dog the same way, and just know that the dog will naturally wants to bond with someone.

01:30:47.200 And if you're its person and you're with it all the time, the dog will love you regardless

01:30:50.640 within a few months. Got it. So once you have that structure and you understand the flow of

01:30:57.380 everything, then the dog just fits right into your life. And it's super controlled. It's really

01:31:02.860 obedient and it can go with you wherever you want. And it's a, it's an asset to you, not a liability.

01:31:09.200 But if you don't know, it's like me dropping off a helicopter on your front yard. And it's like,

01:31:13.580 yeah, dude, you got this multimillion dollar piece of equipment. It looks really freaking cool

01:31:17.860 in photos. I have no idea how to fly it. And then you bring a pilot and a pilot's like,

01:31:22.500 let me show you how to fly that thing. So you'll get the dog and without any training for yourself,

01:31:28.360 you'll have a pet. And then I would walk in and go, Oh, let me show you what your pet actually can

01:31:32.680 do. Boom, boom, boom, boom. You're like, dude, that was there this entire time. Why didn't it do

01:31:36.400 it for me? Like, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Like I, like when I was down there, somebody said to me,

01:31:40.600 Hey, you know, do you want to put on the bite suit and mess around with the dogs? I was like,

01:31:44.100 no, no, I'm good. We'll let him do it. Um, rich man, you know, really appreciate you hopping on and

01:31:51.320 chopping it up with me today on this podcast episode. It's, it's been great. Um, there's a

01:31:55.140 lot of stuff that I learned that I had no idea, um, you know, about before we talked, there was,

01:32:00.160 you know, there's just a very, um, shallow, like day long sort of interaction that we had before.

01:32:05.340 And I learned so much more having you on today is the best place for people to find you over on

01:32:10.020 your Instagram at full spectrum warrior, or do you want to have them go to your website? Like,

01:32:13.620 where do you want people to find you? Yeah. Uh, on Instagram, it's full spectrum warrior USA.

01:32:18.080 There's a little USA there at the end of that. Um, and then the website is full spectrum warriors.com.

01:32:26.160 So both of those are great. If they want to look at our training calendar, we're getting ready to put

01:32:29.520 out the 2022 calendar here within the next week. Um, but yeah, if you want, you can follow us on

01:32:35.140 Instagram. That's cool. Cool. Let me just quickly check the chat here to see if there's anything I

01:32:39.280 missed. Uh, there's a super chat there from a dude that says, Hey rich bit off topic, but I was

01:32:43.940 researching divorce rates worldwide. And I found that Islamic divorce rates aren't that much different

01:32:48.620 from Western ones. In fact, in some cases they're higher. So I had a Craig on my channel months back.

01:32:55.200 Uh, I think his Twitter handle is Abu American. And if you go back to my, um, channel, you'll probably

01:33:01.660 find the video. I think it's actually on this playlist if I'm not mistaken. He's been divorced 12

01:33:05.820 times. Um, he's actually ex, um, military he's Muslim, but divorce laws in Islam are very different

01:33:12.980 from Western. So if your wife's not working out, you can actually divorce her. And there's very

01:33:18.360 little consequences, you know, as far as any obligations, usually it's just, you know, if you

01:33:22.780 have kids and you have to deal with that part. Um, but a lot of the, see, I think they're higher

01:33:27.560 in Islam because men don't put up with shit. And I think they're probably higher in the West because

01:33:32.720 women are leaving dudes because women divorce guys, something like 80% of the time. So eight out of

01:33:38.040 10 times women are leaving. It's rare when you hear stories like rich, when he says, you know,

01:33:41.900 I left my wife. I was also the one that left my marriage as well, too, for different reasons,

01:33:45.660 but it's not that often that men leave their own marriages in the West. So when it happens

01:33:50.060 in Islam, it's my belief that it's guys just saying, you know what, I'm not tolerating this

01:33:53.980 or you're out or it's not a good fit. Um, thank you for your service, uh, to family members, Navy.

01:34:02.980 Uh, you got a new follow here on your Instagram, cardio conditions important. Okay. It looks like

01:34:07.480 we got all caught up. So give rich grandma follow like the video, leave a comment below. Um, I'm

01:34:13.900 going to be doing more of these, uh, playing to win podcasts on the channel. I've got some

01:34:18.200 interesting guests lined up. So I always promise that, you know, you guys are going to get some

01:34:22.120 value out of it. Rich. Thanks again for joining me, brother. Yeah. I appreciate it. Thanks for

01:34:26.060 having me on. I'm going to check out your book. I'm going to get that and, uh, review it. Yeah.

01:34:30.380 If you haven't, sorry, I'll just do a shameless plug guys. If you haven't got the book that I was

01:34:34.780 talking about, it's there, it's on Amazon, grab it. Um, don't go anywhere just yet. I want to talk

01:34:38.680 to you just offline.

Playing to Win - March 02, 2022

052 - Retired Navy Seal @Rich Graham

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